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The story hit the Variety wires about an hour ago, but the story may not be available to non-subscribers.
It also got picked up by the following site:
Johnny Depp in Dark Shadows film (http://www.moviehole.net/news/20070727_johnny_depp_in_dark_shadows_fi.html)
Things are about to change drastically for DS.
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;) Well, Darren, since today is not April 1st...this must be based in fact! And if anyone can bring in an audience, and make this a hit, it's Johnny Depp!
PLEASE let's hope Warners and DCP give him a good script, and make sure all of the other familiar DS characters are included. And please don't just remake HODS (but then, I must remember, I am not the primary audience for this new movie, and a new younger audience might buy into the DS mythos, even if it is a remake of HODS.)
Guess I better go out and see those Jack Sparrow movies, too. ::)
Brian
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that's super hot news!
i will say this however.how does one go about trying to capture the breadth of the original series in just two hours?how will that translate?i've even felt that way about a twenty four episode weekly series.
will we just get "evil" barnabas?how will his guilt and reluctance be explained without the elaborate flashback to 1795?and with dozens of characters just in the "present time" part of the story i wonder who will make the cut for two hours?
i suspect some grand dame casting for liz in a small,cameo-like role.with both vicki and maggie in contention for the principle-ingenue/josette-replacement role i wonder who will show up?obviously julia and angelique factor into this tale in a major way but would depp share the spotlight with a quentin character?members of the family like roger,carolyn and david?various servants and townspeople...mrs. johnson?sam evans?sheriff patterson?oh the possibilities are endless...and i'm going to watch the development of this project with baited breath.
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Interestingly, an article entitled "' Dark Shadows' sees the light," which begins "Film ' Dark Shadows' sees the light Warner teaming with Depp, King By MICHAEL FLEMING...to develop a feature based on the '60s daytime supernatural sudser " Dark Shadows." Depp has said in interviews that he has always been obsessed...," comes up in a search on Variety's site, but when one tries to access it, a message comes up that says:
Article not available
You requested an article that does not currently exist in our database. We apologize for this inconvenience.
But no matter, the article will become available at some point - and this is incredible news!
I know many people had thought for quite some time that Depp would be perfect as a big screen Barnabas, but I never really saw it until I watched From Hell on DVD about two years ago. However, I honestly never really thought a project would ever come together. Well, I suppose I'll have to eat my words. But it will be a very enjoyable meal. [lghy]
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Oh. My. God.
Words fail to express just how excited I am by this bit of news. *dies* [a345]
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Wow. Just....wow. My husband might be about to become a full fledged DS fan ;)
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At last:
Depp lights up 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117969246.html?categoryid=13&cs=1&query=dark+shadows)
Graham King to produce Warner feature
By MICHAEL FLEMING
(Posted: Thurs., Jul. 26, 2007, 8:00pm PT)
Johnny Depp is getting in touch with his inner vampire.
Warner Bros. is teaming with Depp's Infinitum-Nihil and Graham King's GK Films to develop a feature based on the '60s daytime supernatural sudser "Dark Shadows."
Depp has said in interviews that he has always been obsessed with "Dark Shadows" and had, as a child, wanted to be Barnabas Collins, the vampire patriarch of the series. The role was originated by Jonathan Frid.
A rights deal just closed with the estate of Dan Curtis, the producer/director who created the soap that aired weekdays on ABC, from 1966 to 1971. Depp and King will produce with David Kennedy, who ran Dan Curtis Prods. until Curtis died last year of a brain tumor. Infinitum-Nihil's Christi Dembrowski served as the point person on the deal.
Over 1,225 episodes, "Dark Shadows" was a highly atmospheric, spooky soap that featured gothic horror staples like vampires, monsters, witches, werewolves, ghosts and zombies. The show has a continuing rabid fan base that populates Dark Shadows Festival conventions. Numerous TV revivals of the series and pic adaptations have been attempted over the years but none with as high-wattage a star as Depp.
Depp, who is coming off "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" and who just wrapped the Tim Burton-directed "Sweeney Todd," is next expected to star in "Shantaram," a Mira Nair-directed adaptation of the Gregory David Roberts novel that Depp, King and Plan B are producing for Warner Bros. Depp, King and WB are also mobilizing to make a film about the life of Alexander Litvinenko, with Depp poised to play the former KGB agent, who was fatally poisoned.
(Date in print: Fri., Jul. 27, 2007, Los Angeles)
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Damn, it's finally happening! DS is going to be brought to a new audience! I can't believe it! Please God, let this thing get off the ground and happen in the next couple of years (and by that I mean that its in theaters by 2010, God that'd be great).
As far as storylines, the choices are endless. But I think, perhaps what would work best, would be coming up with a new twist on the classic story that was showcased in HODS. We need something simple, forboding, and without much backstory so that newbie's don't have a hard time getting engrossed in the world. I don't want a remake of HODS, by any means, but there is a way that this could be made to happen.
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I don't want a remake of HODS, by any means
I mean no disrespect at all by what I'm about to say, but with DC out of the picture, the probability that any new DS project would not be a virtual remake of hoDS seems much more likely than it would if he were still in the picture.
And I don't mean to stifle the excitement in any way because this is wonderful news we've gotten tonight, BUT as Brandon points out...
Please God, let this thing get off the ground and happen in the next couple of years
...we definitely need to note that this project is still in development. There are at least 101 things that need to happen before we'll ever see a finished film. And it's going to be a much slower process than the WB pilot, which went from announcement to completion of shooting in less than six months. The process here is likely to be a loooong one - especially when, as Variety reports, Depp already has other projects in the pipeline...
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Just think if it comes off, a whole new generations of fans. I hope that Johnny Depp tries to stay somewhat true to the show. I think some of the things that make it magical was that it was suspenseful with out being too gorry. It is just like the Radio Plays we made our own pictures in our minds. The things we didn't see made is special for us to use our imagination. Movies are a lot more graphic now!
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It's nice to see that this is being treated as a big story. I just received today's Variety Headlines e-mail and it's the top story. The e-mail itself is even titled "DEPP LIGHTS UP 'DARK SHADOWS'" [thumb]
And in addition to the Web site Darren provided the link to, MovieWeb is also reporting the story: Johnny Depp to Develop Dark Shadows (http://www.movieweb.com/news/48/21448.php)
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I'm personally pleased as punch that this is going to be developed with Depp at the starring helm. In fact, I'm dancing with joy! [skelleton_2]
He is a perfect choice for the role of Barnabas. Even if it is HODS, there can be sequels. The franchise needs a fresh breath of air and this could bring in a new generation of fans.
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A few more links:
Sci Fi Wire News: Depp Bites Into Dark Shadows (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=1&id=42810&type=0)
Though that one basically recycles everything that's already been written. At least the following two give it a bit of their own spin:
Zee News: Johnny Depp the next `Dark Shadows` vampire? (http://www.zeenews.com/znnew/articles.asp?aid=385287&ssid=1&ssname=Movies%20and%20Theatre&sid=ENT&sname=)
(Complete with a photo of Depp with drawn in fangs. :D)
Orlando Sentinel: Deep to do Dark Shadows (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_movies_blog/2007/07/deep-to-do-dark.html)
(They obviously need to hire a proofreader. :- )
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This must bode well for your pet project, Mr. Gross!
I couldn't be more thrilled!
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This must bode well for your pet project, Mr. Gross!
One can only hope! [pray]
And here are two more links:
Scenta.co.uk: Depp wants a bite of Dark Shadows movie (http://www.scenta.co.uk/Film/1701943/in-brief-depp-wants-a-bite-of-dark-shadows-movie.htm)
And one from New York Magazine with the bizarre title: Johnny Depp to Wear His Own Clothes in ‘Dark Shadows’ Movie (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/07/johnny_depp_to_wear_his_own_cl.html)
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This news is just TOO awesome! Perhaps this will inject new blood (pun intended) into fandom like the NBC revival series, the release of original eps to VHS and the show starting to air on SciFi did in 1990! 8)
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Hmmm...the best approach might be to film the 1795 storyline. Of all the storylines, it has (arguably) the tightest structure, with a clear and focused beginning, middle, and end. Because it ends with Barnabas being chained in his coffin, it would set the stage for a sequel set in present-day Collinwood.
Even more important, 1795 is the foundation of the Barnabas mythos -- his origin story -- and a retelling of that storyline would give newcomers insight into the character.
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http://downthetubescomics.blogspot.com/2007/07/dark-shadows-returns.html
Another interesting link, where other things are mentioned also
Lori
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I knew you guys would already have a thread up and running for this!!
I'm tickled pink, whatever that means. ;) I'm floating on air at the prospect of
this movie actually hitting the theatres. I really never even dreamed that a
new Dark Shadows movie would come to be. But so it seems that this will
come to pass. I just can't believe it... Dammit it all, I'm stunned. This is
magnificent news.
And I STILL want David Tennant to play Willie Loomis. :P ~DJ
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OMG! OMG! OMG!
*falls over. dies.*
I wish my mom was still with me so I could share this with her...we always talked about how cool it would be to see Depp in the role.
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Yeah, my Mom never imagined the possibility of Depp partaking in the role. She's just
on cloud nine with the idea alone that she'll get to see it in the theatre.
This is just fabulous. A friend was just saying on another board that Depp's star power
alone would be enough to "refuel" interest in Dark Shadows. I imagine this will create a renewed
interest. If it doesn't, I'll be utterly surprised. What a party the fests will be then, huh?
Not that they weren't fun to begin with, but they're going to be packed if this pulls
through! ;)
I wish my mom was still with me so I could share this with her...we always talked about how cool it would be to see Depp in the role.
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One does have to wonder why Barnabas is being referred to as "the vampire patriarch" in so many reports. Sure, he's an old man (in years, if not in appearance), he's the oldest member of the Collins family in almost any century he shows up in, and he often attempts to shepherd or "save" members of the extended Collins familiy or the family as a whole (though more often with disastrous results - though I suppose that's beside the point). However, no one within the storylines ever sees him as their "leader" (excepting Leviathans, which is a special case) or the head of the family - and he's certainly no one's father. And in reality, in at least three instances, the Collins family is actually lead by the matriarchs Edith, Judith and Liz while Barnabas is very much on the scene.
But then, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised because we all know how the Internet works: one site reports something in a certain fashion (Variety in this case) and within a matter of hours the same sort of terms/descriptions are all over the Internet. :-
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I hate that whole "vampire patriarch" thing but it seems so very characteristic of meta-media in our times. To quote the immortal Lucy van Pelt, BLEAH!
My greatest hope at the moment is that this will give a definitive green light for WB to produce a lavish, RESTORED edition of the two films--if it's not too late at this point. I had the impression that a Hallowe'en release for the discs had been mooted but perhaps with the Depp film being given a go, they'll be more interested in marketing a higher-quality product to tie in with the ramp-up to what I'm sure they fondly hope will be the next "Pirates of the Caribbean." Let the schlock roll on... (although, I will see that if they get Tim Burton on board, there's just a chance that the project could produce something worthy of the Shadows heritage--judging from Burton's work on Sleepy Hollow.)
G.
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Another interesting link, where other things are mentioned also
Thanks for posting that link, Lori. [thumb] Contrary to the too many sites that are unabashedly rehashing Variety's report word for word (I've come across more than two dozen already! [sad3]), that one actually incorporates excerpts from Depp's comments about DS that were originally a part of his Combustible Celluloid interview (http://www.combustiblecelluloid.com/intdepp.shtml).
I have to confess, though, that I find this site's report (http://news.sawf.org/Entertainment/40540.aspx) amusing, if only for the link to "Meet Vampire Females" at www.GothScene.com. ;D
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Well, apparently the supposed Halloween DVD release has been postponed- a good sign that WB is listening to Gross, Pierson and others who have championed the cause of restoring NODS to its 129-minute pre-release version. With this news, they'll have no choice BUT to restore it! Also, don't be surprised if the original series comes back to cable within the next year.
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:D
Since 1971, DS has always faded away for awhile, then bounced back just when you thought it was over.
This is WONDERFUL news!
DS will always be here!
And for some reason, I had a feeling for years that Depp would someday do this.
I wonder why Tim Burton, Depp's friend & collaborator, isn't involved?
Burton is also a fan!
David
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The idea of remakes makes me cringe, and brace for an impact. I'm one bad-new-bit-of-remake-news away from going fetal. I exaggerate because life is too tedious unless you do.
The big prime options for them, as they'd see it, would probably be remake or reboot. (Hey, I don't make up these terms.) With DC uninvolved, a retelling just might be avoided. They're most likely to start the story over again with this or that familar element included, but a different origin story for Barnabas. Does anyone care about that possibility? I'm a bit less protective now that the percentage of storylines I have problems with has gone over 50%.
Again, I always want a new story set in the same 'universe' as the series. What other TV series movie has told the same, familiar events as in the series itself?
I'm always at least ten years behind on things, but Depp seems to be a short man with sort of a baby face, no angular arresting features, no menacing presence.
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I 'd expect the frst movie will be Barnabas being beleased from his coffin , Viki 's arrival at Collinwood , and the Barnabas /Viki relationship . I bet Viki will be Josette 's reincarnation as in the 1991Revival . I hope we get a sequel to do the 1795 storyline . I would expect all the character from those storylines would be there , but probably no Quentin unless you get a 3rd movie .
I am 10 kinds of excited about this , Johnny Depp was my first pick for Barnabas and with him on board I think we'll see a big budget , big name actors , and high quality overall . I can't wait to hear more casting .
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Doesn't anyone hope for a fresh story?
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This is HUGE news. I've reposted it to a couple of places online. I hope they can get Burton to direct. As Gothick said, judging by his work on Sleepy Hollow, he could do justice to a DS movie. As for Johnny Depp (love him, BTW), I always pictured him more as a roguish Quentin type, but since this is a role he's always wanted to play I have a feeling he'll pull it off (though I admit to having my worries about that). If this happens, it'll be an enormous shot in the arm for classic DS.
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Doesn't anyone hope for a fresh story?
I would like a fresh story, with flash back maybe. That way we won't have all the comparison that get tiring. To many of us Jonathan is our Barnabas, if it wasn't for him we might not have this board. The show would have died an early death.
It is almost like, if you read the book don't go see the movie.
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Actually, it's a fallacy (though but one of the many that have been purported over and over again) that DS would have certainly been canceled were it not for Barnabas' introduction. It's absolutely true that ABC gave DC six months to bring the ratings up or DS was in all probability going to be canceled. However, the ratings had actually improved so much by the time the first Laura storyline had gotten into full swing that ABC renewed DS then - before Barnabas was even hinted at on the show. (I believe this was even discussed/confirmed at last year's Fest.)
Now, of course Barnabas definitely brought DS a great deal of attention and huge ratings - but he didn't necessarily save the show from cancellation. If he had never appeared, well, who knows what the next storyline might have been, and who knows if DS would have gained the heights of popularity that it did with him on board? But the possibility does exist that DS may very well have continued for years to come. Perhaps even beyond April 2, 1971. Some of the soaps that were DS' contemporaries and which weren't as well rated back in the day as DS was do indeed survive to this day. And a Barnabas-less DS would have played out very differently - perhaps even without the frantic pacing that many cite as one of the show's downfalls. But we'll just never know...
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This is welcome but surprising news.
As I posted to the JuliaList..i Understand from Matthew Hall that Sam wanted Johnny Depp (who would've been 28) fresh from 21 Jump Street for the '91 revival series. Sam also wanted Iman as Angelique. He's seen some of her stage work in LA and was quite impressed. That would've been on HOT couple i say!
Cheers!
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However, the ratings had actually improved so much by the time the first Laura storyline had gotten into full swing that ABC renewed DS then - before Barnabas was even hinted at on the show. (I believe this was even discussed/confirmed at last year's Fest.)
Thanks for this. Didn't know it had been renewed before Barnabas. Haven't been to a fest.
Perhaps even beyond April 2, 1971. Some of the soaps that were DS' contemporaries and which weren't as well rated as DS was do indeed survive to this day. And a Barnabas-less DS would have played out very differently - perhaps even without the frantic pacing that many cite as one of the show's downfalls. But we'll just never know...
Perhaps if it hadn't reached such hights in the ratings. People might not have expected so much. Most soaps had a storylines that went on a lot longer and covered the same period of time. 2 days in real time as in hours, might be 2 weeks in soap opera time.
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With regards to Iman as Angelique--I think having a dark skinned actress of whatever background play the character would help make a genuine new departure in a new DS. I liked Alec Newman as Barnabas precisely because he was physically different from Frid and carried himself in the role very differently which made it possible to look at the new telling of the story with genuinely fresh eyes.
It's all truly academic at this point because the whole thing could be put on a shelf for the next five years, or at least that's my impression given what I have read so far...
G.
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Hmmm...the best approach might be to film the 1795 storyline. Of all the storylines, it has (arguably) the tightest structure, with a clear and focused beginning, middle, and end. Because it ends with Barnabas being chained in his coffin, it would set the stage for a sequel set in present-day Collinwood.
Even more important, 1795 is the foundation of the Barnabas mythos -- his origin story -- and a retelling of that storyline would give newcomers insight into the character.
The more I think about this, the more I think you've hit on a brilliant idea, Claude. Barnabas' backstory has everything going for it: the supernatural, betrayal, revenge, and all enveloped in a sweeping and tragic love story. And there is precedent for focusing on 1795 because that's the story the '88 stage version of DS pared down and dramatized.
Now, if only we could get those involved with developing the film to consider going that route. ;)
As for Tim Burton's potential involvement, I'm not so sure. I loved Sleepy Hallow, but so many of his other films are too quirky to be compatible with the DS universe. If Burton could reign much of his quirkiness in, perhaps.
And as for doubts about Depp, as I said earlier, I was quite skeptical about his ability to portray Barnabas until I saw him in From Hell. But after watching that film I posted:
I know people have been saying Depp could be an interesting Barnabas, but I never really saw it. However, now, after watching his performance in From Hell, I think I'd be thrilled if the unlikely event was ever to happen and he was cast in the role. You weren't exaggerating in the slightest, Rainey, when you said "THAT'S a tortured soul."
Depp definitely has the range to portray Barn in all his tortured glory.
Of course, I'd also posted back then that we should
Forget Tarantino and Burton - if there ever would be a new DS theatrical film, someone sign the Hugheses to direct, Peter Deming to be the director of photography, and Martin Childs as the production designer. In particular the look of From Hell is just incredible, especially the use of light and shadow. Any potential DS film would be lucky to look half as good. Their combined efforts make for what I only hope another DS film could be.
But I'm presuming nothing like that is likely to happen. Though maybe I shouldn't presume too easily. After all, back in 2005 I thought it was an "unlikely event" that Depp would ever get the opportunity to play Barnabas. ;)
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the whole thing could be put on a shelf for the next five years, or at least that's my impression given what I have read so far...
Well, we know for certain Depp definitely has one film already lined up. That's likely to mean that at the earliest he wouldn't be doing any DS project until about a year from now. But if he chooses to do the Alexander Litvinenko project before DS, who knows how long it might be? I suppose it's all going to depend on which project comes together first...
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As for Tim Burton's potential involvement, I'm not so sure. I loved Sleepy Hallow, but so many of his other films are too quirky to be compatible with the DS universe. If Burton could reign much of his quirkiness in, perhaps.
I agree. I like Burton, but he's too heavy-handed. I'm afraid we'd end up with a film that was more about Tim Burton than it was about Dark Shadows.
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MB, thanks for reminding me about your earlier comments about From Hell. I'll definitely have to have a look at that film at some point in the next few months. I have to say that nothing in Depp's oeuvre that I have seen (and I admit that I've seen very few of his films) makes me think he'd have a hope in hell of conveying the depths I'd want to see in Barnabas... but, I haven't seen the Alan Moore film so...
I also agree about Tim Burton's nutty side probably working against the project. I just think that if the movie happens, and Burton is available, he's practically a shoo-in for various reasons... not that I know anything about how the "Industry" works, you understand (and thank god I don't, for the sake of my digestion!).
cheers, G.
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I'm not so worried about Burton or Depp, i think they have the chops. . the issue in my mind is (if they went Team Burton-Depp) who would Helena Bonham Carter (Mrs. Burton) portray. I like her but she's Mrs. Lovett in Sweeney Todd? That one threw me .. i don't see that. she'd be a good Aunt Abigail or maybe even Natalie duPres?
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Great news about the movie. I enjoy reading everyones comments about all things DS when I have the time...
I am excited to see what happens with this situation, not only with who they might cast but what the plot might be...
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I've read about 50 different Web site reports about the film today, but not one of them has mentioned the dreaded "C" word until this one: Depp plumbs vampire depths (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/87637.html)
Oh, well - I suppose it was bound to happen sooner or later. ::) Though at least 1 out of 50 is great odds...
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Hmmm...the best approach might be to film the 1795 storyline. Of all the storylines, it has (arguably) the tightest structure, with a clear and focused beginning, middle, and end. Because it ends with Barnabas being chained in his coffin, it would set the stage for a sequel set in present-day Collinwood.
The more I think about this, the more I think you've hit on a brilliant idea, Claude. Barnabas' backstory has everything going for it: the supernatural, betrayal, revenge, and all enveloped in a sweeping and tragic love story.
I'm agree that a feature film set in 1795 (or 1797 or whatever year the writers decide for the new incarnation) that establsihes Barnabas' curse by Angelique (assuming Angelique is the witch [or other supernatural being] who curses him) would set the stage for any number of sequels, and eliminate the need to rehash the 60s stories. On the down side, for fans, we might never see Quentin or Petofi or Julia....but we've already seen them. Maybe it's time to let a new audience discover Barnabas and his "new" friends and family.
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I read this news in V ariety this morning. How fantastic.
I think Tim Burton could do a good job directing. He allowed Depp to develop Edward Scissorhands into sweet perfection. Depp apparently has a long time affinity for DS and I seem to recall reading that Tim Burton did as well. They might have just enough reverence for DS' influence on their own lives to not even think about camping it all up. That's my hope, anyway.
This is very exciting news.
Nancy
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Damn, is this topic ever popular! I wonder what it is.....?
I too am hoping for a fresh take on things. But honestly, we can't expect it to be too fresh. I mean, there's only so many ways you can tell the basic story of Barnabas without completely mucking it up in some fashion or another. Because personally, I would be heavily offended if whoever was writing this dropped everything that we hold dear about our Barny, and went with something completely new.
As for Burton, I love him. I think that the issue of him bringing his "sillyness" or whatever it was called to the project is largely dependant on the producers involved and the state of the script they are using. Because, if you think about it, the director only takes the script and portrays his or her vision of it onto the screen. Basically they interpret the thing. So as long as the script is written well, I don't think Burton will be able to infuse his signature style into it too much. I'd love to see him direct. I think he's one of the few out there who could do justice to this project.
I have no doubt that Depp can play this part. I've loved every movie I've seen him in, and I believe he can play anything he sets his mind to. I mean, I completely abhor the Pirates movies, save for Depp's Captain Jack. And to think, Depp has said that he modeled Sparrow off of Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones. Man, that guy can act.
Speaking of the script, is there any information about who's writing the damn thing? I wonder if they've even commissioned a script of it at all?
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I would like a fresh story, with flash back maybe. That way we won't have all the comparison that get tiring. To many of us Jonathan is our Barnabas, if it wasn't for him we might not have this board. The show would have died an early death.
It is almost like, if you read the book don't go see the movie.
Exactly. Do we want to spend the rest of our lives seeing the introduction of Barnabas remade and remade and remade, as another series, a film, a stage show, a musical, a hologram, smellovision..... whatever comes along when we're 80...? Maybe by 1969 instead of new storylines, they should have taken a couple more passes at the early Barnabas story.
I think we need Barnabas even without Jonathan, though.
MB... wow, I've never heard the idea that a faster pace was detrimental to quality and ratings. I thought it was 1897 that had the fast pace, when the ratings were highest. Then with Leviathans things slowed to a crawl, and ratings fell. Viewers were practically being spoiled with a lot of plot per episode, and kids were rushing home so they didn't miss any.
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MB... wow, I've never heard the idea that a faster pace was detrimental to quality and ratings. I thought it was 1897 that had the fast pace, when the ratings were highest.
I'm sorry - I should have realized that what I was saying might not have been clear to everyone. :-[ I was referring more to those who've cited the frantic pace of the production than to the often fast pace of the storylines. Several DS actors have cited the burnout they felt over the pace of production as a factor in DS' cancellation.
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Oh... okay. I can't even relax watching it... I feel rushed and pressured just from knowing the actors are. I wonder if there was any way to change that though. Going off-topic I'm sure.
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This is the best news I have heard in a long time!! I was in Geek boy heaven yesterday! First I hear that Leonard Nimoy will play Spock again in the new Star Trek movie, Then I get my hands on the New direct to DVD Babylon 5 episode and then the cream in my fanboy coffee THE RETURN OF DARK SHADOWS!!!! Johnny Depp will do DS justice he is a big fan like all of us are!!
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http://www.bitsofnews.com/content/view/5905/
A new article, not just a rehash of the first. Just thought that you would like to know. ;D
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I'm scared by everything about the new Star Trek movie, too.
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OK, who plays the other roles?
Angelique (Halle Berry with Island accent)
Josette (Jennifer Love Hewitt)
and, if it's not too much to hope for:
Countess Natalie (Kathryn Leigh Scott)
Abigail (Lara Parker)
Joshua (David Selby)
Ben Stokes (John Karlen)
and why not?
They're all doing the audio dramas!
and:
Lynn Redgrave as Naomi Collins
David
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Josette (Jennifer Love Hewitt)
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I almost want to see an unknown in that part...unless we could somehow go back in time and get Joanna Going to do the part again :)
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Roger: Biff Henderson
Willie: John Goodman
Angelique: Martha Stewart
Burke: Andy Dick
Liz: Kate Mulgrew (that might work)
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the casting speculation is about to go off the charts.
how will they ever find an actress that brings the preternatural naivety to the role of victoria that alexandra did?
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;D
Lindsay Lohan?
how will they ever find an actress that brings the preternatural naivety to the role of victoria that alexandra did?
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Personally, I hope that none of the original cast members is involved. Nothing against them, but that sort of thing always feels like stunt casting to me. The new DS movie will need to create its own vision of the DS universe and the presence of original cast members could be distracting.
There was a time when I would have loved to see friend-of-Depp Faye Dunaway as Elizabeth, but she's looking rather scary these days and not at all like the grande dame that she could have been if she hadn't gotten those scary caps on her teeth and the various facial "enhancements" that have left her face looking rather mask-like. Still, she is a fine actress and one of the few in Hollywood who could convincingly play a regal matriarch. Perhaps the producers would have to cast a British actress in the part, such as Helen Mirren or (as David suggested) Lynn Redgrave. I don't know if there are any American actresses who allow themselves to look fifty-ish. >:D
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I agree with you, John. "Stunt casting" is the perfect phrase!
I can't help but think they will do the 1795 and "present" so th audience can see how barnabas was cursed and the curse would stick as long as Angelique was able to return. It is unusual in vampire films for the audience to see how the vampire became a vampire and to see one so utterly torn between his memories of being human and his current life as a supernatural creature whose instinct is to kill.
Nancy
Personally, I hope that none of the original cast members is involved. Nothing against them, but that sort of thing always feels like stunt casting to me. The new DS movie will need to create its own vision of the DS universe and the presence of original cast members could be distracting.
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My first post on this topic. Some random thoughts.
Deep down I am disappointed that the new project is not a television series. A movie merely has a beginning and two ours later it is over and that is it. However, no doubt it is a huge victory for the DS franchise and its fans and hopefully to the restoration project.
Depp had to realize when he accepted this role that since DS is a saga, he will need to be available for the sequels if the first one does well.
I hope it does not take years for all concerned parties to approve the script-the next Indiana Jones movie had something like 4 scripts that needed to be commissioned.
Will DCP have any creative input on the movie? Secondly, my understanding is that DCP licensed Depp's people to only do the movie but kept the rights to do other possible DS projects such as a new TV series?
Who ever was smart enough to trademark the darkshadows-themovie.com website might make some money.
Glad MGM is not involved in this movie.
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The following Web posting:
The Daily Record - NEWS - News Feed - JOHNNY DEATH (http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/news/tm_headline=johnny-death&method=full&objectid=19533704&siteid=66633-name_page.html)
seems to think Depp will be working on the DS film in January. Possibly. And that might be great. But it seems more like wishful thinking from an overly anxious Scot. :-
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One certainly has to wonder how people manage to misconstrue simple facts. Case in point: according to this article on SkullRing.org: Depp, Warner Brothers take a bite out of "Dark Shadows" (http://mattstaggs.blogspot.com/2007/07/depp-warner-brothers-take-bite-out-of.html), in addition to the '91 revival series, apparently there was also a DS TV movie. Who knew? [hdscrt]
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Based on this article the DS the movie seems to be down Depp's list.
Depp goes Gonzo again
Actor to star in 'The Rum Diary' (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117969386.html?categoryId=13&cs=1)
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Yes, it can never be mentioned too often that we definitely need to take note that the DS project is only in the earliest stages of development and that Depp already has other projects in various states of readiness to go before the cameras. Like I said, the process to bring his DS to the screen is likely to be a loooong one. However, that could easily work to its advantage because we most certainly wouldn't want things to be rushed and underway before the absolute best script, cast and production personnel are assembled. ;)
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People will buy the rights to movie ideas and then do nothing for years or decades. Sometimes they buy the rights "just in case". "It's official" means little. Signing for film rights gets announced, nothing happens, then something comes out of nowhere and gets made without fanfare, right? I think. "It's only official" might make more sense.
You can't even go by whether they announce a show's been canceled or picked up. I've noticed those announcements getting reversed a lot in recent years.
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True. Also, Depp has a young daughter who has been very ill according to various entertainment news sites. Who knows how much time and attention that may require from him.
nancy
Yes, it can never be mentioned too often that we definitely need to take note that the DS project is only in the earliest stages of development and that Depp already has other projects in various states of readiness to go before the cameras. Like I said, the process to bring his DS to the screen is likely to be a loooong one. However, that could easily work to its advantage because we most certainly wouldn't want things to be rushed and underway before the absolute best script, cast and production personnel are assembled. ;)
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One certainly has to wonder how people manage to misconstrue simple facts. Case in point: according to this article on SkullRing.org: (URL)
, in addition to the '91 revival series, apparently there was also a DS TV movie. Who knew? [hdscrt]
I saw the DS TV movie. It was on Lifetime. Delta Burke starred as Eliizabeth Collins Stoddard and Valerie Bertinelli played Dr. Julia Hoffman. They also said it was "based on a true story."
Gerard
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I think i have heard that Depp's daughter Lily Rose is on the mend, but I read it was tough going earlier this year...
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I agree MB that it may take years before we see the DS movie. For example this article indicates the Rum Diary took seven years from the time the rights had been obtained to go into pre-production on the film. Not sure I can wait that long.
King, WIP toast 'Rum' with Depp (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i697aabd8c4794420bfc27ed004da745e)
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You're not ill James, I hope.
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You're not ill James, I hope.
Darren some of my friends have claimed that I am. lol It looks like we won't have to wait 7 years because this article says DS maybe third on Depp's list although it may have to battle with number four to see which project claims the third spot. Maybe I am ill after all.
Jack Sparrow finds the Rum (http://www.obsessedwithfilm.com/movie-news/jack-sparrow-finds-the-rum.php)
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We all are. It's a cool shared experience.
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Lots of articles turning up on this subject. Take a look at the one below. Some inaccuracies but overall good.
Depp Sinks Teeth Into Classic Character (http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Depp-Sinks-Teeth-Into-Classic-Character-5538.html)
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It looks like we won't have to wait 7 years because this article says DS maybe third on Depp's list although it may have to battle with number four to see which project claims the third spot. Maybe I am ill after all.
The key phrase in that article is: "Of course things can change all the time". That pretty much sums up the entire entertainment industry because projects are always being announced, delayed, moved up and even canceled - often without little advance notice. To say the entertainment industry can be volatile would be an understatement. :D It's certainly only natural for all of us to be anxious to see things take shape as soon as possible. But in the long run it would probably be best to just sit back, relax, and let things take their natural course - whatever that turns out to be. ;)
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I saw the DS TV movie. It was on Lifetime. Delta Burke starred as Eliizabeth Collins Stoddard and Valerie Bertinelli played Dr. Julia Hoffman. They also said it was "based on a true story."
Oh, no! It sounds like it was amazing! How foolish of me not to have heard about it! [6184] And now I'm REALLY upset that I completely missed it!!
;D
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Take a look at the one below. Some inaccuracies but overall good. ...
From that TV Blend article: The tidbit was revealed during Warners' presentation at Comic-Con in San Diego on Friday.
Did anyone here attend Comic-Con?
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The person who wrote this article:
Depp Pushing Dark Shadows To Screen (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Depp-Pushing-Dark-Shadows-To-Screen-5904.html)
seems to think that, unlike the original and '91 series, the movie will tell 'the full story of Barnabas Collins.' That would certainly seem fairly unlikely in the scope of one film. But it would certainly be nice to think that maybe over the course of a series of sequels (if the first film is successful, of course ;)) it might happen. Though at least the writer is grounded in reality enough to realize that "while Depp may be donning fangs and the wolf-head cane, it still may be a few years before “Dark Shadows” makes its way to the screen. "
(It's also nice to find another fan of Ben Cross' interpretation of Barn.)
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I don't know where this site's article is getting its info, but they claim: Seventh Collaboration On The Cards For Johnny Depp And Tim Burton (http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/entertainment/Johnny+Depp-38222.html) Though it most certainly could be nothing more than something akin to the mere speculation that's gone on here on the forum...
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The Burton-Depp team-up is a no-brainer, but to be honest I'd love to see a less campy director on board.
Nancy, we want to hear what Mr. Frid has to say about all this!
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i can see him in the part as long as he doesn't
go all "Willie Wonka " i love JD but he was too weird
in the wonka role
jennifer
i love that we are called rabid fans oh if they only knew ;D
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Nothing at all new in the text of this article:
Depp's Dark Shadows (http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=17003)
but I don't know - something about the way Depp looks in the accompanying photo makes me think he looks very Barnabas-like. Does anyone know what the photo is actually from?
And it's nice to see that this article:
Johnny Depp Does Dark Shadows (http://www.bigpictureradio.com/2007/07/johnny-depp-does-dark-shadows.html)
believes DS was ahead of its time. 8)
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Take a look at the one below. Some inaccuracies but overall good. ...
From that TV Blend article: The tidbit was revealed during Warners' presentation at Comic-Con in San Diego on Friday.
This rather lengthy E! Online article:
Depp Steps into Shadows (http://www.eonline.com/news/article/index.jsp?uuid=53d265c4-2158-45f0-a148-1f22e01e13bd&sid=fd-news)
also mentions that the news was revealed during Warners' Comic-Con presentation. Though E! Online isn't exactly known for its reliable reporting. And in fact, they seem to think the 2004 WB pilot actually went to series. ::) (But, oh, if only...)
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Nothing at all new in the text of this article:
(URL)
but I don't know - something about the way Depp looks in the accompanying photo makes me think he looks very Barnabas-like. Does anyone know what the photo is actually from?
Hi, I'm a new member! :) I was active in the AOL DS community during the 90's and am also a huge Johnny Depp fan. Naturally, I'm thrilled about this news!! The photo shown in the Variety article is just from a photoshoot, not from any of his movies. It dates from March of 1997. I agree he looks very Barnabas-like there!
The initial Variety ad made no mention of the San Diego Comic-Con, so I doubt that the announcement was made there. A poster for Johnny's next movie, Sweeney Todd, was unveiled at the Comic-Con, so maybe the E! article confused the 2 news items.
Cathy
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Welcome, madscntst!
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At this point, I personally think it is a tempest in a teapot... not meaning to rain on anybody's parade, but it could be YEARS before it gets beyond publicists spinning out press releases on the project.
Just my two drachmae... I'm sure the discussion WILL continue, and I'm the first to admit that Mr. Depp has got the action.
I'll personally never be able to think of anyone else as Barnabas other than Jonathan Frid. And I say that acknowledging that I admired Alec Newman's work in the role in the Warner Brothers network pilot that failed.
G.
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He's off on vacation but I do know he doesn't get overly optimistic about news like this because it's been in the works before, only to fall apart. He will probably say something about it in August.
JF doesn't have any idea who Johnny Depp is. Or Tim Burton.
Nancy
Nancy, we want to hear what Mr. Frid has to say about all this!
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also mentions that the news was revealed during Warners' Comic-Con presentation.
I was watching the G4 channel and it was covering the 2nd Day of the the Comic-Con when a crawl came on showing The Depp announcement.
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Thanks LdyAnne- I guess it was announced at Comic-Con and was just not given that as a reference right away. At any rate, it's been announced!
Gothick, you're absolutely right that it may be a long time before this film comes out, and of course there are no guarantees that it even will. First of all, it doesn't sound like there is even a script yet, and they will have to get that ball rolling. Johnny himself has film commitments for at least the next year- he is next slated to film Shantaram from Jan to May of '08, and it was recently announced that the Hunter S. Thompson novel, The Rum Diary, will probably be next up after that. There are some other tentative and rumored roles in the pipeline, as well, and his production company has a number of other projects going on besides Dark Shadows.
That said, I am really optimistic about this in the long run! Johnny has long said that he was always a huge fan of the show, and if he is passionate about something, he will pursue it very relentlessly, even if it may take awhile.
Cathy
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I think I read that it is an executive at DCP named David Kennedy who was involved in the negotiations for the Depp movie. For mre, it would be a refreshing change if there was ONE DS pie Jim Pierson does NOT have a finger in, though to be fair I guess JP is at least partially responsible for getting Jonathan finally back for another Fest, but I think the MAIN kudoos should go to Jonathan and Nancy K themselves...
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Despite the fact that Depp starts filming Shantaram this fall and then shoots The Rum Diary, the Imdb website has a tentative 2010 release date for the Dark Shadows movie. As many posters have pointed out, the DS movie can be years away.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/maindetails
( at this time there are no details except for the projected release date)
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Actually, it's a fallacy (though but one of the many that have been purported over and over again) that DS would have certainly been canceled were it not for Barnabas' introduction. It's absolutely true that ABC gave DC six months to bring the ratings up or DS was in all probability going to be canceled. However, the ratings had actually improved so much by the time the first Laura storyline had gotten into full swing that ABC renewed DS then - before Barnabas was even hinted at on the show. (I believe this was even discussed/confirmed at last year's Fest.)
Now, of course Barnabas definitely brought DS a great deal of attention and huge ratings - but he didn't necessarily save the show from cancellation.
At the end of Disk 3 Vol 4 Sam Hall basicly says had 13 weeks to go. But he did bring up an interesting point about how the show could have continued. This is maybe where I got the mis understanding.
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I am very excited! First of all Johnny Depp is a DS lover (one of us), so he shouldn't mess around too much. I am just scared about the director. I don't want anybody to kill the story and make it the way they want. I wish dearest Dan was still around so he could direct and produce it. The thought of a new Dark Shadows film gave me a shiver up my spine but Johnny Depp...aaaahh! I know he is perfect!
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Another article on the legacy of DS and the upcoming movie.
Depp Bites Into 'Dark Shadows'
Cancelled soap finds new life (http://www.soapoperanetwork.com/news/movies/depptomakenewdarkshadowsmovie.php)
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Another article on the legacy of DS and the upcoming movie.
Thanks for the link, this bit was interesting:
David Kennedy will aid Depp and King in producing the film. Kennedy served as head of Dan Curtis Productions, until Curtis' death last year from a brain tumor. A script is currently being written for the film, however, no production date has been set.
I don't think I've heard of David Kennedy before, is he who the article says he is? And it's interesting that the article mentions a script is "currently being written." I wonder where they got that information?
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Hey ALL! i'm back! i didn't get to even access this board cause my piece of shit of a computer wouldn't even ALLOW me to
access this GREAT SITE! [angry9] buut SINCE i'm NOW back i'm THRILLED ya know? anyways, i'm THRILLED that they will have "DEPP" has it's starr! maybe they will have some original cast members in the film? & who knows maybe they can FINALYL uh LOWER the price to the dvd's. when the film comes out & since "Depp"s" in it most likely it WILL be A HUGE HIT! given the right script & who's cast & who's directing. ya know the usual stuff.
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I don't think I've heard of David Kennedy before, is he who the article says he is?
You can check out: President Of DCP Forms Own Production Company
The news article "HBO Enters the Kennedy Compound" is no longer available, but I could probably dig it up if you're interested.
DK was later discussed in the Variety announcement, and since it was quoted in ShadowGram, you could find it through an Advanced search of board posts from 0 to 30 days old.
nd it's interesting that the article mentions a script is "currently being written." I wonder where they got that information?
That entire article uses information from other sources, and that particular bit could have come from the same ShadowGram email, which stated that development of a script was to begin immediately.
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Thanks for the link, this bit was interesting:
David Kennedy will aid Depp and King in producing the film. Kennedy served as head of Dan Curtis Productions, until Curtis' death last year from a brain tumor. ...
I don't think I've heard of David Kennedy before, is he who the article says he is?
Retzev you are welcome. I obtained the following information on David Kennedy from the www.sho.com website that was written in 2005. He is now with HBO.
"Executive Producer DAVID KENNEDY has been the President of Dan Curtis Productions for the past seven years. He is also, along with Dan Curtis, the Executive Producer of "Saving Milly," a television movie to be seen on CBS in early 2005. He began his career as a programming executive at NBC Sports and produced his first network television special - the first live broadcast of the America's Cup races - at the age of 22. Kennedy left NBC Sports to open the New York office of the legendary Mark McCormack's International Management Group's Trans World International (TWI), today the world's largest independent producer of sports programming. Kennedy left TWI to become the Executive Vice President of Television in New York for International Creative Management (ICM) from 1973-1985, where his clients ranged from Dr. Suess to Robin Williams and Dick Clark, and where he was instrumental in the sale of two long-running television landmarks: "Saturday Night Live" and "The Kennedy Center Honors." He then moved to Los Angeles to become head of programming for Pearson/Grundy Productions and joined Dan Curtis Productions in 1997. Kennedy is a graduate of the University of Notre Dame."
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Wow. >:D What great news! I've been away for soooo long, I finally saw Minja last weekend and she suggested I come back to the forum. And I get this news! :D
I ALSO today got word from Amazon about the DS Beginning Collections becoming available and preordered them. I'm REALLY excited about that too, it was so cool when Sci Fi finally showed those episodes and now I can have them for my own.... [blob3] [blob5] [blob6] [blob7] [blob9] [blob10] [9251]
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Thanks for the info, Midnite and Jimbo.
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Hadn't gotten around to posting yet. I haven't been on these boards in forever. I had kind of lost all HOPE that DS would ever live on. Just when you think all hope is gone. BOOM! You get this type of news. Johnny is a fan, so I think he will do right by the show. I cannot wait to see this movie. Even if it is years off. :) SO EXCITED AND I JUST CAN'T HIDE IT!!!
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Another recent article.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/354199/depp_to_bring_dark_shadows_to_light.html
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Something else that implies that it’s really in the works - on the movie review show “Reel Talk” with Jeffrey Lyons and Alison Bailes, at the end of the show each gives a commentary. Last weekend Jeffrey Lyons said,
“My final take this week deals with the recent announcement that Johnny Depp has been attached, as they say in the trade papers, to star in a movie version of Dark Shadows, that’s the campy vampire show which ran live afternoons on ABC from 1966 to 1971. I watched it religiously.” [By this point they are showing the opening picture with the waves and the name Dark Shadows, then a glimpse of Joan, I think from the first episode when she goes to the window while awaiting Vicki’s arrival, and a couple other little bits.]
“The series focused on a reclusive woman played by 40s star Joan Bennett and a vampire named Barnabas Collins played by Jonathan Frid, a Canadian actor. I only hope that somehow Depp and his collaborators do justice to the original series, which to this day has a loyal fan base. Maybe the surviving cast members, including Frid, will be available for cameos. And who better than Johnny Depp to portray a vampire in Collinsport, Maine?”
[Then, turning towards Alison and speaking more conversationally] "My favorite part of the show was when the actors would forget their lines and they’d have to look at the cue cards; it was so obvious; it was campy and it was delightful. We’ll see.”
Alison replied, “I haven’t seen it, but I’d see Depp in anything as long as he’s not a pirate.”
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Nice article on how vampire based shows are making a comeback including the DS movie.
BLOOD SELLS
VAMPIRES STAKE CLAIM (YET AGAIN) (http://www.nypost.com/seven/08232007/entertainment/blood_sells.htm)
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Last weekend Jeffrey Lyons said
Apparently Lyons is a big DS fan. I remember back in '89 or '90 he did a whole segment on his PBS series Sneak Previews about the MPI VHS tapes, complete with footage of scenes from the 1840 storyline that had yet to be released and hadn't been seen outside of the Fests since their original airings.
Nice article on how vampire based shows are making a comeback including the DS movie.
Very nice, jimbo - thanks for posting the link.
One does hope, though, that for his Barnabas Depp won't go with his look in the article's accompanying photo. They've said Alec Newman made for a more "blue collar" Barnabas, but that would be taking it to a whole new extreme! [lghy] Something like the Fest portrait would be preferred - though it would most certainly be in the exact opposite direction from blue collar. [b003] So, pehaps something somewhere between the two would be best. [aprvb]
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Very nice, jimbo - thanks for posting the link.
One does hope, though, that for his Barnabas Depp won't go with his look in the article's accompanying photo. They've said Alec Newman made for a more "blue collar" Barnabas, but that would be taking it to a whole new extreme! [lghy] Something like the Fest portrait would be preferred - though it would most certainly be in the exact opposite direction from blue collar. [b003] So, pehaps something somewhere between the two would be best. [aprvb]
You're welcome MB. What is missing from the online edition is the red blood splatter in the article's background and a brief chronology entitled in red , "Fangs for the memories" consisting of a list of vampire themed genre starting with Vlad Dracula 1431-1476 and ending with the new 2007 tv shows; and includes of course DS with the Johnny Depp remake noted. It's on page 42 in today's edition of the newspaper.
It will certainly be interesting to see the new reimagined Barnabas Collins.
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What is missing from the online edition is the red blood splatter in the article's background and a brief chronology entitled in red , "Fangs for the memories" consisting of a list of vampire themed genre starting with Vlad Dracula 1431-1476 and ending with the new 2007 tv shows; and includes of course DS with the Johnny Depp remake noted. It's on page 42 in today's edition of the newspaper.
The timeline can be found via the link after the 1st paragraph (minus the spattery background). Who knew that DS aired from 1961 to 1971?? ;) Thanks for posting it, jimbo.
Isn't a Lost Boys 2 in the works?
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i was quite startled on the subway this morning to see a picture of barnabas in the post.
i didn't know vampires were "back".
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The timeline can be found via the link after the 2nd paragraph (minus the spattery background). Who knew that DS aired from 1961 to 1971?? ;) Thanks for posting it, jimbo.
Isn't a Lost Boys 2 in the works?
Hi Midnite I caught the online timeline right after I had sent my last post-that was a good catch about the distinguished publication making an error like that. lol. However, the dates in the actually paper edition are correct. Don't ask. I did like that the Post made it into a full page article. Yes I did hear about the Lost Boys sequel but I don't know anything about that movie. On a personal note it was great to see you at the Fest-hope we will have more time to talk at next year's Fest.
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Isn't a Lost Boys 2 in the works?
Yes I did hear about the Lost Boys sequel but I don't know anything about that movie.
Don't know much about the movie either, except that on The Two Corey's, Corey Haim was devastated to discover he'd been excluded from the sequel. Feldman had been asked but declined because he didn't care for the script or the fact that Haim wasn't asked to join the cast. From what they were saying, it is going to be a direct-to-DVD flick so that suggests to me it's gonna suck worse than Barnabas after 175 years in da coffin, LOL! ;D
For me personally, I'd only be interested in a sequel at this point if they told the pre-story of how David (Kiefer Sutherland's character in the first movie) and the other Lost Boys became vampires in the first place. Like, I'd love to see them as teens getting victimized into the cult. Obviously they'd have to re-cast everyone as they are all to old now to reprise their roles. Shame they couldn't have done LB2 one or two years after the original came out so that Sutherland and the others COULD have played their same roles.
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I thought I'd share a response to a question I posed to TV Guide, TV Critic Matt Roush concerning whether a new DS project would be better suited for the big or small screen. I have always and still take the position that DS is better suited for the small screen but I am thrilled for the franchise that there will be a new theatrical DS movie with Johnny DEPP. Just wish Roush did not have to say that the two DS movies may have been "awful" but he made it clear that that he has not seen them. Hope he goes out and buys the DVDs next year and see what he is missing.
This is taken from http://www.tvguide.com/ask-matt published on 08-31-07
Question: I am ambivalent about hearing that Johnny Depp is going to play Barnabas Collins in a new theatrical version of Dark Shadows. I am sure that the movie will bring new blood into the franchise, but I don't think Dark Shadows is a good fit for the big screen. Dark Shadows has always been a long, continuous saga with many characters and storylines, and I don't believe you can simply make a two-hour Dark Shadows movie, no matter how great an actor Johnny Depp is. Do you believe that Dark Shadows is better suited for the big screen or the small screen?— James, Staten Island, NY
Matt Roush: Given that the last few attempts to remake Dark Shadows as a prime-time series failed (a short-lived remake on NBC and an aborted comeback on the WB), maybe a starry big-screen homage is the way to go. Besides, the original series spawned two movie spin-offs in the early '70s: House of Dark Shadows and Night of Dark Shadows. I can't pretend to be objective about them, having seem them in my early teens (if that) as an unabashed Collinwood junkie. (Haven't seen them since, so for all I know, they're actually awful.) But as long as you capture the ambience of the Dark Shadows mythology and tell a good story with the right cast (Johnny Depp is a great start), I don't see why this would be any more off base as a potential movie franchise than something like The X-Files. But is the premise of Dark Shadows better suited for an open-ended serialized drama? Absolutely. For now, though, that doesn't appear to be in the tarot cards.
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Correction to my post. Roush stated that he has seen the 2 DS movies but it was a very long time ago.
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my 2 cents worth
------------ i am very thankful for the original series on vhs and dvd...and i enjoyed mgm's HODS and NODS...having Mr Depp play Barnabas is like Mr. T play MLK.
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Isn't a Lost Boys 2 in the works?
Yes I did hear about the Lost Boys sequel but I don't know anything about that movie.
Here's some more information about that movie. There was a blurb in my 8/24 issue of Entertainment Weekly, that says that both Haim and Feldman are going to reprise their roles in the sequel. It's a DVD-movie called "Lost Boys II: The Tribe" and is described by executive producer Mary Viola as being "like X Games meets Jackass". Other cast includes Angus Sutherland, Kiefer's half bro, Autumn Reeser of "O.C." fame, and Tad Hilgenbrinck from American Pie's "Bandcamp".
The reason that it was originally thought that Haim wasn't going to be in it was because he was seen on his A&E reality show with Feldman, crying over the fact that Feldman had been asked but he hadn't. But, that was before all casting was completed, and Haim was later contacted to reprise his role.
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Latest word is that Haim is out again, due to some sort of Canadian work visa issue.
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http://www.deppimpact.com/news/2007/09/appeal-of-dark-shadows.html
Here is a nice comment about Jonathan.
It is nice to see that even now Jonathan has an effect.
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In an article in the 9/14/07 issue of Entertainment Weekly about the record setting opening boxoffice for the Halloween remake, writer Dave Karger poses the question:
With an update of Wes Craven's 1972 chiller Last House on the Left and a film version of the '60s vampire saga Dark Shadows in the works, will horror's next wave be classic remake chic?
Who knows? And who knows if the Depp/DS film will break any boxoffice records? But one can only hope that Halloween has set off a trend in horror films that the Depp/DS film can benefit from. :)
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Read that little column in my copy of EW MB! I was elated to see a mention of DS! And BTW, the new "Halloween" flick ain't too shabby. I actually liked it.
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Who knows? And who knows if the Depp/DS film will break any boxoffice records? But one can only hope that Halloween has set off a trend in horror films that the Depp/DS film can benefit from. :)
I don't know if it will break box office records, but I expect it to do well based on the Depp factor alone. After the success of Pirates of the Caribbean, the mere presence of Depp will likely draw out the crowd.
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After the success of Pirates of the Caribbean, the mere presence of Depp will likely draw out the crowd.
Oh, absolutely. At this point, Depp could draw a record crowd just by standing in a field, reciting the alphabet..... ::)
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Johnny is certainly enjoying a lot of box office success lately (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and all 3 Pirates movies were HUGE), and one would hope that he will continue to draw in the crowds. But remember, in most of Johnny's 20+ year acting career, most of his films have not been big hits. Last year's The Libertine, which, granted, was an "art film" that was tough to market, didn't even reach $5 million domestically. So he's still not *guaranteed* a huge box office, and by the time Dark Shadows may come out a few years from now, who knows which stars may be in favor by then. It will be interesting to see how Sweeney Todd does in a few months; it could be a huge hit or a huge flop, but I admire the risk, anyway.
FYI, here is a list of Johnny's films and their box office grosses, from Box Office Mojo:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=johnnydepp.htm
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I believe the Libertine wasn't all that widely released. If I remember correctly, one theater around here locally played it, but none of the others did, and I live in an area close to two larger cities.
I would think DS would be groomed to be a franchise, if Depp was willing to return to the character like he did to Jack Sparrow, which would up its odds for box office take. DS has what it takes to be a franchise film.
And by the time DS would come out, another Pirates will likely be on the horizon, since Depp's willing to come back for a 4th film, which would only increase the Depp awareness factor in the public. While Depp didn't do as well in the box office before, Jack Sparrow definitely made the public aware of him, and I don't see that going away in the next few years.
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Right, The Libertine was not a wide release- I probably would've had a better idea last year, but I'm guessing it was in about ~500 theaters, in early spring '06 (after a one week Oscar run at the end of '05). I remember being worried about finding it in my area (DC suburbs), but it did play in several theaters here. However, the theaters were not anywhere near full. Just to say that a smaller film starring Johnny is still possible, even post-Pirates. And with how fickle our culture sometimes is with what's hot and what's not, one never knows for sure.
I hope you're right that Dark Shadows will be treated like a potential box office hit, and considering the loyalty of the DS fanbase all these years, it should get great financial backing and such. One of the big unknowns is that Johnny's production company, Infinitum Nihil, is still very new and has not actually gotten any films into production yet! So the waters are somewhat untested. But Shantaram, one of Infinitum Nihil's first if not THE first, which will star Johnny and will start filming in January, sounds like it has a pretty big production budget- they'll be doing a lot of the filming on location in India.
As for another Pirates movie, bite your tongue ;D Just kidding- while I love the Pirates films, I am a little concerned about overkill and the fact that they've already taken up so much of Johnny's time- I'd rather see him do a variety of things (like DS)! Yet, after seeing At World's End, I found myself thinking that a sequel with Captain Jack and Barbossa might be fun, after all! But I hope it doesn't happen for quite a few years.
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Oh, according to Box Office Mojo, The Libertine's widest release was 819 theaters- a little more than I thought. It wasn't out for long, though- a little over a month. Info here:
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/people/chart/?id=johnnydepp.htm
(Click The Libertine)
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I, for one, would NOT want the proposed DS movie and Pirates 4 playing at the same time at the theaters. Don't ask me why, because I do like the Pirates movies (though I'm not boo-koo about them), but for some reason that thought just leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
I think DS needs to be released in the fall season, September or October. It's a very "fall film", I think.
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I, for one, would NOT want the proposed DS movie and Pirates 4 playing at the same time at the theaters.
Usually, the studios will work it out so that films that star the same actor don't compete with each other in the theaters. It's not beneficial to the actor or to the studios.
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Nothing earth shattering in terms of news but I thought I pass on this DS movie reference.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117972463.html?categoryId=30&cs=1
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i have been visiting my mother in portland maine and she gets a magazine called "portland:maine's city magazine".
there is a small article in the october issue about the new johnny depp project.
titled "maine at first bite"...
"how would you like johnny depp to bite your neck?well,the opportunity may be closer than you think.rumor has it that he's about to step into the cape of barnabas collins in the motion picture version of the 1960s television saga dark shadows.the show revolves around the comings and goings of vampires,werewolves,and ghouls in fictional collinsport,maine.the tentative release date of 2010 will give you plenty of time to catch up on the reruns.find the complete collection at amazon.com or netflix."
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Write-up courtesy of jimbo:
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(http://www.dsboards.com/images/img083-3.jpg)
Thanks, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
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Thanks MB for formatting the article and photo. You did a great job. Nice surgery. I can barely operate a scanner. lol I like the photo they choosed, very Barnabas like, without the sunglasses of course. I can defintely see Depp playing Barnabas.
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Another Dark Shadows reference/vampires article.
http://www.mercurynews.com/tv/ci_7176860?nclick_check=1
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[candle_in_skull_2] [female_skull]
I just saw the trailer for Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd with Depp.
It looks like a creepy, Gothic nightmare!
Let's hope that Burton does do the DS movie!
David
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Thanks for the link, jimbo! (The article, too.) For some reason the site eventually brought up the article without making me register. [hall2_cheesy] Speaking of being "bitten by the vampire craze," while the Depp announcement opened the possibility of my teen daughter embracing Barnabas Collins, I'd say she has definitely been bitten thanks to the Stephenie Meyer novels. My local Barnes & Noble has them stacked high on tables, wow.
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I just saw the trailer for Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd with Depp.
It looks like a creepy, Gothic nightmare!
Oh, it looks FABULOUS.
http://www.sweeneytoddmovie.com/ ... View the Trailer
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Thanks for the link, jimbo! (The article, too.) For some reason the site eventually brought up the article without making me register. [hall2_cheesy] Speaking of being "bitten by the vampire craze," while the Depp announcement opened the possibility of my teen daughter embracing Barnabas Collins, I'd say she has definitely been bitten thanks to the Stephenie Meyer novels. My local Barnes & Noble has them stacked high on tables, wow.
Hi Midnite-my pleasure. Sorry for the floating link. lol I just tried the link and it too brought me to the sign in page. But I tried it again and then it brought me to the article's page-it's like it's stuck in parallel time lol Glad your daughter will embrace Dark Shadows-DS has opened up so many doors to new fans and writers. Thanks for the Sweeney Todd trailer-I saw the preview last night and there was absolutely no reaction from the audience-I think they had no idea what type of movie it will be. We shall see. I will see it of course and I hope others will see it too.
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Loving Depp as a potential Barnabas...Burton...maybe. I'm afraid he'd Burtonize it though and not stay true to DC's vision.
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I just saw the trailer for Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd with Depp.
It looks like a creepy, Gothic nightmare!
Oh, it looks FABULOUS.
http://www.sweeneytoddmovie.com/ ... View the Trailer
I agree, Midnight. Sweeny Todd looks killer. Depp is so goood, tailor made for these types of roles.
But...
Loving Depp as a potential Barnabas...Burton...maybe. I'm afraid he'd Burtonize it though and not stay true to DC's vision.
I get the same feeling, RD. Burton is great, but I'm afraid his hand would be too heavy.
I think I'd rather the new director stay true to Curtis's basic outlines/ideas rather than his vision in total. To walk such a fine line will take a rare talent, but I hold out hope that one will come along. Maybe Depp himself is the man for the job - ?
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This can be really good! I just want to echo the hopes that they do not redo HODS. What a long-running series like dark shadows needs is not to start at the beginning and introduce characters, but start when things are already in progress, already established, and build a story that is strongly inside the world using whatever characters from the entire length of the show that they desire to. Personally I think a story with the non-adam/eve elements of 1968--Chris, Nicolas, and Angelique, thrown together with some seances, storms, ghosts, enchanted paintings, and reference to the Barnabas/Josette relationship would really make a good film.
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I think I'd rather the new director stay true to Curtis's basic outlines/ideas rather than his vision in total. To walk such a fine line will take a rare talent, but I hold out hope that one will come along. Maybe Depp himself is the man for the job - ?
I think it's very unlikely that Johnny would direct. He's only ever tried his hand at directing a feature film once, and it was a failure (a film that he also starred in called The Brave, in 1997- it's never been released in the US). But even if it had done well, Johnny has spoken about how difficult and exhausting it was to do both. Plus, for some strange reason he absolutely *hates* to look at himself on film (I can't imagine why- I don't mind seeing him on film, myself ;) ) so I don't think he'd feel he could be objective.
I think there are other directors who might be a better fit for DS than Tim Burton, but I have to say that I'm beginning to change my mind after seeing the Sweeney Todd trailer, because I really like the look of that film so far.
Cathy
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When I think of Sleepy Hollow with it's perfect gothic atmosphere, that's how I picture a big screen DS. The sort of style that Burton used for that film would make an amazing backdrop for the 1795 storyline......if it's more 'Sleepy Hollow' and less 'Charlie & the Chocolate Factory', Burton could do well.
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Helena Bonham Carter could make a nice Crazy Jenny...
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Helena Bonham Carter could also be a sublime Countess Natalie.
David
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Just a small tidbit-- Johnny Depp will be on the cover of the next issue of Entertainment Weekly (the Nov. 9 issue) and there is a nice interview. Johnny mostly speaks about Sweeney Todd, but at the end, there is a brief mention of DS:
And what about talk that you'd like to do a Dark Shadows feature, from Dan Curtis' old occult soap-opera TV series?
If that comes to fruition, that's a dream come true, man. Barnabas Collins — when I was a kid I wanted to be Barnabas.
Why him? Why a vampire?
I think a lot of kids did. He was super-mysterious, with that really weird hairdo and the wolf's-head cane. Good stuff.
See the whole interview on the Entertainment Weekly site:
http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20155516_20155530_20156283,00.html (http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20155516_20155530_20156283,00.html)
(the mention is on page 5)
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Thanks madscntst for the article. It really sounds like Depp wants to do this movie. I was taken back just a little with his comment that "if that comes to fruition". I would think that he would be more positive about the DS project especially as he is listed as producer of the movie. I would think that he would have more of a role in the development of this movie and put more of an effort to actually make it happen.
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I was put off by the fruition comment too. I really hope this comes to pass. Let DC's legacy live on! And please please add some cameos with the original and revival cast. :)
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I can't say that phrasing really surprised me. In fact, it would be pretty much expected. As I said when this project was first announced, there are at least 101 things that need to happen before we'll ever see a finished film. At this point the film is still in early development, and any one of those 101 things not falling into place could potentially derail it. Many's the film that dies in development hell. And toss in the impending writers' strike when a script for the film hasn't even been completed and, well, that just pushes things further into the future than they already were, meaning more time for the potential for something to go wrong.
However, all that being said, that does not mean that Depp's DS film is doomed never to come out of development and to never see fruition. It just means that at this early stage it's still too early for everything to be a done deal, thus Depp speaking of the film as a much hoped for entity rather than as a certainty. Even as a producer Depp cannot control every aspect of development.
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Yeah, I think Johnny is just being cautious. He's been in the business for 23 years, and he has seen a number of projects fall through, including two that fell through after filming started (Divine Rapture and The Man Who Killed Don Quixote). But he is a man who is passionate about the things that interest him, and he also has more clout now than he has in the past. I think he will work extremely hard for Dark Shadows because it is so beloved to him.
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I seem to recall this place having shown up on this forum before, but I think with a little work it would make a smashing Collinwood for Johnny Depp. I don't like the idea of a CGI Collinwood, which is what I fear they might choose.
It's an abandoned girls' school in Millbrook, New York, I understand.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/damnedrodan/The_Bennett_School.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/damnedrodan/Bennett_Bittersweet.jpg)
This site has some additional photos of the house for making e-cards:
The Chancery House (http://www.thechanceryhouse.com/ecards/index.php?page=1&cat=Haunted_Ruins&lang=english_lang.php)
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Ooh, great place for Collinwood, Mark.
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That would be a lovely place for Collinwood.
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What a gorgeous house!
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Beautiful fixer upper!! [hall2_grin]
It reminds me of a bizarre cross between the original series' Collinwood (the tower on the right mainly) and Count Orlock's house in Wisbaden in Murnau's Nosferatu....
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I seem to recall this place having shown up on this forum before, but I think with a little work it would make a smashing Collinwood for Johnny Depp. I don't like the idea of a CGI Collinwood, which is what I fear they might choose.
It's an abandoned girls' school in Millbrook, New York, I understand.
What a gorgeous-looking place! Thanks for posting those pics Mark. That would make a great-looking Collinwood.
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I agree. That would be a great step up for the future Collinwood in any incarnation that Dark Shadows could return in. And it really wouldn't take much to fix it up either. Just some face lift type of stuff and with computers they could do wonders to it.
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There's been speculation about whether Tim Burton might direct the DS movie: according to zap2it.com., Burton has a two-picture deal with Disney, starting with a 3-D version of Alice in Wonderland: Down the Rabbit Hole for Tim Burton (http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-burtonaliceinwonderland3d,0,5573427.story?coll=zap-news-headlines)
I'm not sure how this might affect his availability, since we don't exactly know when DS would be going into production.
ProfStokes
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Uggg maybe I'm biased but I think DS is way more important than another Alice in Wonderland film or a Frankenweenie remake.
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I'm not sure how this might affect his availability, since we don't exactly know when DS would be going into production.
Hmmm - the article makes it seem like Burton could easily be locked into those two projects for two years or even longer given the level an animation that seems to be involved. Before the writers' strike, anyway, there was hope that the Depp/DS film would at least be in production within the next two years (though with the strike it's anyone's guess when it might happen). But if those projects do indeed preclude Burton's participation in the DS film, I can't say I'd necessarily be all that upset because I've already questioned whether or not Burton's quirkiness could be kept in check enough to be compatible with the DS universe...
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Having just re-watched the 2005 Phantom of the Opera, I would kind of like to see Joel Schumacher direct. His Phantom had such a beautiful, sweeping Gothic feel that I think would be perfect for DS. Just watch the scene of Christine in the cemetery and imagine she's Josette at the Collins mausoleum. [hall_cheesy]
ProfStokes
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Good observation, Prof. When I saw PHANTOM OF THE OPERA a while back, I was struck by the fact that Emmy Rossum might make a mighty passable Josette. ;)
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Variety is reporting that the strike has caused Depp's/King's/WB's next movie to be put on hold:
'Shantaram' latest strike casualty (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117976279.html?categoryid=2821&cs=1&nid=2854)
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I don't know enough about the business to really know what the impact of this will be, but I have to think it's bad news all around. Last time Shantaram was delayed, it gave Johnny an opportunity to do Sweeney Todd. This time, though, he's not going to be able to work on other projects, because of the writer's strike. So unless I am understanding this wrong, this is going to push back Dark Shadows, too. Well, I only hope that the writer's strike can be resolved soon.
As for Tim Burton, well, I love him and I love his collaborations with Johnny, but I guess I'm in the camp that feels that Tim doesn't necessarily have to be involved with this one.
Cathy
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Good observation, Prof. When I saw PHANTOM OF THE OPERA a while back, I was struck by the fact that Emmy Rossum might make a mighty passable Josette. ;)
OMG I hope not! As a Phantom fan, I feel Joel S. and ALW did a horrible job with the film and Emmy can't really act IMO. I would cringe if either one of them were involved in DS.
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I loved the Phantom of the Opera movie, and I do like Emmy Rossum. I don't think she's a bad actress at all, but I do feel that the conflict within the Christine character might have been a bit too much for her. I had issues with her when the film first came out, but I've become a fan of her over time.
I don't think I would cast her as Josette, though. Maybe someone like Natalie Portman.
I wouldn't choose Joel S to direct DS. He was a bit too lavish with Phantom. I think DS should be darker and more subdued.
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well 1stly is i LOVE Tim Burton as well, but i don't really care for "Sleepy Hollow" i have it on dvd & all cause Christopher Lee" is in it actually. [hall2_grin] anyways, i have a feeling this film won't get into theatres at least until (2009) or perhaps even (2010) cause of the strike. i honestly don't know who i could see being "Barnabas" today. cause since Johnathon Frid is too old. i did LOVE seeing "Ben Cross" as him back in the (1991) version. & let me add is that is what version i 1st saw back than. i think they should re-tell the story buut also don't make it a 90 minute or 100 min movie. 135 minutes or so can be the right time. have the retelling of barnanbas's story
of how he came in our time. & also maybe new stuff? i did like the 1795 idea though. buut ONLY thing that i woudln't want them to do is to leave it on a cliff-hanger cause IF we have to wait another 2 or 3 yrs. just for the damn thing to get made i'd go nuts. & also
IF the film flopped we'd be stuck with a cliff-hanger. i mean the harry potter films really don't leave ya's on a cliff-hanger, they finish the school year & than go home. & ayuh the story isn't finished by the end of the film. buut it doesn't leave ya's with a cliff-hanger well NOT so much as let's say the "Phantasm" films do. am i right? buut ayuh "Depp" would be good. jut as long as we don't get a perfermance like we did when he did "Charlie & the Choclate Factory" that's ALL I ask. he was TERRIBLE in that. least i think so.
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I loved Depp's performance in Charlie. The role called for an off the wall performance. Some people thought it was too off the wall, but I enjoyed it. That says nothing about what he would do with the role of Barnabas, just like it was completely separate from his Jack Sparrow character. That's what makes Depp the best actor out there today, IMO. His ability to transform himself into a different character in every film.
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I just saw the trailer for Tim Burton's Sweeney Todd with Depp.
It looks like a creepy, Gothic nightmare!
Oh, it looks FABULOUS.
http://www.sweeneytoddmovie.com/ ... View the Trailer
I was just checking my e-mail and discovered Variety's notice of their review. To say it's glowing would be an understatement. And to say they love Depp's performance would also be an understatement. Here's just the opening paragraph:
Both sharp and fleet, “Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street” proves a satisfying screen version of Stephen Sondheim’s landmark 1979 theatrical musical. Where much could have gone wrong, things have turned out uniformly right thanks to highly focused direction by Tim Burton, expert screw-tightening by scenarist John Logan, and haunted and musically adept lead performances from Johnny Depp and Helena Bonham Carter. Assembled artistic combo assures the film will reap by far the biggest audience to see a pure Sondheim musical, although just how big depends on the upscale crowd’s tolerance for buckets of blood, and the degree to which the masses stay away due to the whiff of the highbrow. In all events, DreamWorks-Paramount and Warner Bros. have a classy and reasonably commercial delicacy on their hands.
The complete review can be read here: Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street (http://www.variety.com/review/VE1117935560.html?categoryid=31&cs=1)
And just two more excerpts. Not exactly being a Broadway musical fan, I found this particularly encouraging:
it will be hard to argue that Burton and his cohorts have not imaginatively reconceived the piece as a work of cinema; strictly in film terms, “Sweeney” is seamless, coherent and vibrant, with scarcely a trace of “Broadway.”
And as far as Depp goes, doesn't this sound very Barnabas-like:
There is deeply buried emotion and charged motivations in both characters that Depp and Bonham Carter consistently express, and the eerie similarity of their looks -- the endlessly dark eyes, cascading black hair, delicate facial structure, sunken cheeks, exaggerated lips, slight stature -- accentuates the characters’ complicity; at one point, they are both so pale, they look like they’ve been done up in whiteface.
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A whiff of the highbrow? It was adapted from an old 1840s penny-dreadful serial and was a huge mass market hit for the bus and tunnel crowd on Broadway way back when.
On the other hand, some powers of ratiocination are required to follow the story so perhaps that does set it somewhat apart. I wonder whether MacDonald's will run a "Happy Meal" marketing tie-in; something to do with meat pies? *cackles*
G.
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Re: Sweeny Todd
I wonder whether MacDonald's will run a "Happy Meal" marketing tie-in; something to do with meat pies? *cackles*
Oh, if only! [stfl]
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This house is definitely my idea of what Collinwood would look like. Yes, I agree, no computer tricks to change the appearance of Collinwood. I've got my fingers crossed that the remake of DS will happen. So far it looks like the 'Dallas' movie project with John Travolta is not going to happen. I'd like to see the new DS movie start where the original show left off with a new generation of Collinses and of course Johnny Depp as Barnabas. The possibilities of a great story line for the new movie is truly endless!
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honestly i'm THRILLED that the "Dallas" film isn't going to happen cause the casting THAT they had SUCKED! & last i heard it was being turned into a comedy? i was like WTF? ya know? anyways, any NEWS on the "Dark Shadows" Film? & i agree it SHOULD be a continuation of where the show left off. & how Barnabas went back to standard time with Julia. & his search for a cure.
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My sense is that the script for the Johnny Depp movie will be the original Barnabas story which was compelling enough to make (no pun intended) the soap what it ultimately became - a classic. We all might be tired of that story but a good retelling of the story would, at least for me, be satisfactory. The Barnabas story is one of those rare ones in the vampire horror genre whereby the human being was punished by being turned into a vampire and trying to undo the curse. It's a unique type of story.
nancy
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I also would like a retelling...mainly because a new set of stories (aside from the new audios) wouldn't feel right to me.
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IF they have to & i'm sure they WILL,buuuut IF they have to i HOPE that they don't have it take up the WHOLE MOVIE!
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It's nice to see that for the second year in a row Johnny Depp has topped a key survey naming the industry's most successful stars. Check out: Movie Exhibitors Celebrate Johnny Depp (http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-story-movieexhibitorscelebratejohnnydepp,0,3374030.story?coll=zap-news-headlines)
Let's hope he also tops a survey the year his DS film gets released - and because of the DS film, of course.
(Though, at the rate the writers' strike is going, along with the very real potential of upcoming actors' and directors' strikes, the film might not get released until well into the next decade of the 21st century! [santa_shocked] [santa_rolleyes] [santa_wink] [santa_angry])
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Not surprising, but MPI reports that Jim Pierson will take on a consulting role for the DS movie. See: http://mpimedia.com/wp/?p=19
Thanks, Nancy!
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You are welcome! I will be cast as Julia Hoffman, of course. [ski] Okay, so I made that up. First I need to take a course in Fridean Psychology in order to be considered . . .
nancy
Thanks, Nancy!
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With no end in sight to the writers strike, do we think they'll actually take out the old original hoDS shooting script and just replicate that?
You think I'm joking, but recall how Gus van Sant remade Psycho some years ago, shot for shot...
cheers, G.
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With no end in sight to the writers strike, do we think they'll actually take out the old original hoDS shooting script and just replicate that?
Lord, I hope not. I am not a fan of that movie.
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First I need to take a course in Fridean Psychology in order to be considered . . .
Well, let's hope that Frid's psyche is a hell of a lot more stable than Barn's because if not, I'd hate to imagine what you'd end up like afterward. [snow_laugh]
With no end in sight to the writers strike, do we think they'll actually take out the old original hoDS shooting script and just replicate that?
Lord, I hope not. I am not a fan of that movie.
Same here! [snow_shocked] [snow_scream]
Although, the script is much better than the finished film. If they actually retained all the character sequences that either ended up on the cutting room floor or were never even shot for the original, a remade hoDS would be a vast improvement over the original. However, with Depp having already lined up another film, the likelihood an hoDS remake could be done before the impending actors' and directors' strikes in June is pretty much nil...
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[snow_cheesy]
If Nancy plays Julia then I wanna play Willie, so I can be Johnny Depp's boy toy!
David
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Oh, there are impending actors and directors strikes? The idea of a director's strike is rather amusing. (I need that line of Gregory Trasks about taking charge of the inmates in the asylum and the animals in a zoo.) I always thought that if there were no TV in America, we might get some real changes because people would actually have to start paying attention to what's going on around them. I'm no longer that optimistic, though...
In all seriousness, my former boss just returned from a lengthy stay with her daughter and son-in-law who are TV writers and she says that the ripples from the strike are crippling the economy in certain districts of LA. If further sectors of the entertainment industry shut down, it's going to get quite ugly out there. I'll keep our cousins who live in the greater LA sprawl in my thoughts and prayers.
I have to agree with the MB that the original screenplay of hoDS would be fabulous to see, particularly if they tweaked it and made the denouement something more interesting than the 1970 bloodbath.
G.
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You are welcome! I will be cast as Julia Hoffman, of course. [ski] Okay, so I made that up. First I need to take a course in Fridean Psychology in order to be considered . . .
Hehe. Didn't someone tell you to go audition when they were casting for the 91 series?
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WB to begin employee layoffs (plus the effects of the strike): http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117978718.html?categoryid=10&cs=1
My friends and neighbors in the business are leaving the state to find work. It's so sad, but there's just nothing for them here. [snow_sad]
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Yes, that's sad. Being laid off is no fun.
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I was leafing through the new HourrorHound magazine last night (Issue 9 - Pinhead cover) and there's an interview with Tim Burton. The interviewer asks him about interest in directing the DS movie! He says, and I'm paraphrasing here, that he has spoken to Johnny Depp about it a few times and that he (Burton) is "defintiely, definitely" interested in it. He goes on to say DS was on TV when he was a kid and that it "pounded a nail into his brain" (and I'm sure he means that in a good way). So take that for what's it's worth.
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Interesting. But like I said, the article that ProfStokes provided us the link to made it seem like Burton has his hands full for the next two years, if not beyond. However, at the rate things are progressing due to the writers' strike and who knows what else might happen in the future, Depp's DS film might not be anywhere near ready to go into production for another two years or beyond, so perhaps things could easily work out to have Burton on board. Though whether or not having Burton on board would be a good thing remains to be seen.
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...and ryan seacrest as jeff clark?
i don't know.i was watching something with ryan seacrest on it and for some reason he was really giving me a 'roger davis as jeff clark' kind of vibe.
maybe it's the tan.or the hair.or the grin.
would jeff have been considered a "metrosexual" today with all that hair-fussing?
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...and ryan seacrest as jeff clark?
I never would have thought of it, but as soon as I saw this, I could picture it!!
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I have nothing against Ryan Seacrest, but let's hope the Jeff Clark character never again appears in any version of DS! Well, unless he's radically reimagined. [snow_wink]
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Yet another mention of how Depp thinks it would be a dream-come-true to play Barnabas: Andrew Mercado's column in The Daily Telegraph (http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23107737-5009160,00.html).
And with a "tentative" agreement supposedly waiting for approval this coming weekend, perhaps the writers' strike will actually be over soon, and the script for this film might actually begin development before most of us reach 60. [snow_undecided] [snow_shocked] [snow_wink]
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And with a "tentative" agreement supposedly waiting for approval this coming weekend, perhaps the writers' strike will actually be over soon, and the script for this film might actually begin development before most of us reach 60. [snow_undecided] [snow_shocked] [snow_wink]
OMG 60 i'm just getting used to 52 [snow_wow]
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I haven't reached 52 yet (though it's not far off [snow_cheesy]), but my only point was that for a while there it looked like the strike could go on for quite a long time. [snow_sad] Thankfully, though, from what I've been reading today, it seems like most writers like what they've seen of the tentative deal and an end to the strike will be forthcoming very soon. But we won't know for sure until later this week...
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Let's hope the strike will be over soon. The author of this article is a writer and producer and he believes the strike will end. The article also lists how many new episodes will be filmed for some of the existing tv shows.
http://www.moviehole.net/news/20080211_the_end_of_the_writers_strike.html
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It's official: the WGA members voted to end their strike. What happens now with the Depp DS movie? Well, one can only hope that if they hadn't already, they hire someone to develop the script.
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Even though we haven't gotten any new news on the Depp DS film, it's still nice to see it mentioned in two recent articles concerning Graham King:
From the Earthtimes press release Gore Verbinski, Graham King and John Logan to Collaborate on Animated Feature Film (http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/gore-verbinski-graham-king-and-john-logan-to-collaborate-on,286913.shtml):
GK FILMS - Graham King was awarded the Best Picture Oscar in 2007 for the Scorsese directed crime thriller THE DEPARTED. In addition to THE DEPARTED, King was also a producer on BLOOD DIAMOND the same year and both films were nominated for five Academy Awards each. So far King's credits have achieved an outstanding 38 Academy Award nominations from such titles as TRAFFIC, ALI, GANGS OF NEW YORK and THE AVIATOR. Through King's production deal with Warner Bros. Pictures, he is set to produce the highly anticipated project SHANTARAM starring Johnny Depp and produced in conjunction with Infinitum Nihil and Plan B. Also with Infinitum Nihil he will produce SASHA'S STORY: THE LIFE and DEATH OF A RUSSIAN SPY, the newly announced DARK SHADOWS and THE RUM DIARY with Warner Independent Pictures. King launched his new production entity GK Films with partner Tim Headington earlier this year and through GK Films, King recently completed lensing THE YOUNG VICTORIA starring Emily Blunt on location in the UK.
And from Variety's King, Verbinski team on new film (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117981214.html?categoryid=13&cs=1):
King is also developing "Sasha's Story: The Life and Death of a Russian Spy," "Dark Shadows" and "The Rum Diary" with Infinitum Nihil, Depp's shingle. He recently completed lensing "The Young Victoria."
Though hopefully one of these days we'll get more than just that it's in the development pipeline. [snow_wink]
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Does anybody know where they are planning to film the movie? I hope it won't Southern California
where the series of 1991 was filmed. I remember a scene where it showed a couple of palm trees.
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I don't think we'll have to worry about that. This will be a big budget film. They'll be able to make sure the look is perfect.
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http://tinyurl.com/yw4upr
A mention in a blog 2010? for the movie.
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A mention in a blog 2010? for the movie.
I'm not surprise. I figure it would be around 2009 or 2010 for the movie to be out.
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http://tinyurl.com/2jhcef
A mention of DS with clips. Mention of the new movie.
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Aaah!! If they DARE cast Madonna as Angelique I shall be forced to employ certain little dolls Angelique herself taught me to use. *shudder*
Nauseously,
Penny
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Madonna is my age, which means she's about 25 years too old to play Angelique.
Of course, they could still let her try to play Julia. Or Liz. *ducks*
*cue music* "Like a ma-a--a-triarch ... with my hairpiece ... primped to shine, whoa-oh-whoa-oh..."
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Of course, they could still let her try to play ... Liz. *ducks*
Yes! I can just picture Liz all decked out in a cone bra to greet Barnabas or Vicki. [wink2]
*cue music* "Like a ma-a--a-triarch ... with my hairpiece ... primped to shine, whoa-oh-whoa-oh..."
Perfect for the DS musical! [lghy]
But to get serious again for just a minute, I keep meaning to post that it seems like Nancy Chandler of Jacksonville, Florida is our sort of person. When the Portage Daily Register asked people to submit questions they'd ask Johnny Depp if they caught him on the streets of Columbus, Wisconsin (where he's currently shooting Public Enemies), she wanted to ask: 'Are you still going do the "Dark Shadows" movie?' [thumb]
Check the article out: Putting Johnny on the spot -- dozens respond to Daily Register request: What one question would you ask Depp? (http://www.wiscnews.com/pdr/news/277061)
(And if you're a Depp fan, you might also want to check out: Depp back for more in Columbus today (http://www.wiscnews.com/pdr/news/277888) - but there are no references to DS in that one.)
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Madonna can't act!!!!!!
David
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Madonna can't act!!!!!!
I agree. I will be very disappointed if they cast madonna as Angelique. I don't like the idea of susan
sarandon as Elizabeth.
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Nothing too new here, but at least there's a mention on "Ask Flick Chick".
Question: Is the Dark Shadows movie dead and, if not, is Johnny Depp still going to be in it? -- HCRD
FlickChick: Dark Shadows, a joint project between Johnny Depp's Infinitum-Nihil production company and producer Graham King's GK Films, is still in development, but it doesn't look as though a lot has gone on since mid-2007.
That's when they secured rights from the estate of Dan Curtis to base a movie on the 1966-1971 supernatural soap opera; Curtis developed the series, made two feature films based on it in the 1970s, and later went on to produce and direct a slew of supernatural films, mostly for TV. At this time, there's no screenwriter attached to the project, but it does have a distributor: Warner Bros.
Dark Shadows was briefly and unsuccessfully revised as a 1990s TV series, but there is a loyal fan base who could make a theatrical film successful, if and only if it got the tone and characters right. Depp is a longtime fan of the original series and would star as tormented vampire Barnabas Collins (originally played by Jonathan Frid), the show's most popular character. For my money, if anyone could make sure Dark Shadows got done right, it would be Depp. Fingers crossed.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tvguide/356538_flickchick26.html?source=rss (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/tvguide/356538_flickchick26.html?source=rss)
Well, at least the film has a distributor, if not a screenwriter... [ghost_smiley]
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I thought Madonna had given up acting.
Definitely don't want to see her playing Angelique....she doesn't have the acting chops for it....in fact she doesn't have the acting chops for ANYTHING.
Would be interesting to see Johnny Depp play Barnabas though....it would be nice to see someone who had an appreciation for the show.
I read an article in TV Guide for the revival series in 1991....Ben Cross confessed that he had never seen the original show, nor did he have any desire to. Then why the heck did he choose to appear in the show then?
I had my doubts about Depp at first, but now that I think about it, he might just pull it off. At least he was a fan
of the original DS....he might just do a better job of pulling off the role of Barnabas than Cross did.
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I read an article in TV Guide for the revival series in 1991....Ben Cross confessed that he had never seen the original show, nor did he have any desire to. Then why the heck did he choose to appear in the show then?
This is understandble to me. I'm sure you've heard of a situation before where a actor is stepping into a role in a remake of something, and they don't watch or study the original work by the original actor because they don't want to completely copy the original actors style. Cross probably was hinting at that as the reason why he didn't want to watch the original series.
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I've wondered if Cross ever bothered to give the orginal show a look since then.
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Well, why would it matter to Cross what someone before him had done with the role? It's work. The dynamic of the new Dark Shadows series was created by Dan Curtis and company and it was, from the outset, destined to be a different interpretation all around. Cross' performance was as good as it could be with the script and the bizarre dyanmics (IMO) involved.
I was in Boston with Jonathan Frid who was doing a series of one man shows at a Creation Con. We went back to the hotel after the show and watched the new DS pilot. Before the first commercial (if I recall correctly) Barnabas had killed several people before getting to Collinwood. With the strange casting choice of Barbara Steele as Julia and making Willie an idiot, the dynamics of the series were very different. It would not have served any purpose for Cross to have watched the oirignal show (IMO) before doing the role even if he wanted to see it.
Nancy
I read an article in TV Guide for the revival series in 1991....Ben Cross confessed that he had never seen the original show, nor did he have any desire to. Then why the heck did he choose to appear in the show then?
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I hear what you guys are saying about an actor not wanting to duplicate another actor's approach in the same role. I can understand that...it would be too much like a copycat if the new actor duplicated every line and every move of his predecessor.
Cross did what he could...he wasn't a total washout, I'll say that for him. I mean I did enjoy his scenes with Joanna Going, who played Vicki in the 1991 series. But I still prefer Jonathan.
But I will give Johnny Depp a chance, assuming the movie is ever made.
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Nothing too new here, but at least there's a mention on "Ask Flick Chick".
Thanks Cathy for posting the article. It seems a bit odd to me that they have yet to agree on a screenwriter for the film. Maybe WB is finalizing the budget for the movie? Not sure if a budget has to be set in order to hire a screenwriter. WB and the powers that be don't appear to be in any rush to get this movie project off the ground. But its always good to see DS in the media.
James
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It seems a bit odd to me that they have yet to agree on a screenwriter for the film.
Selecting a screenwriter is a very important part of any film's development (well, unless the script was already written before the film was ever pitched to the studio [ghost_wink]). I'd much rather that WB, Depp, King, et al. give the choice very careful consideration than simply hand it over to just anyone. [ghost_shocked] (And truthfully, many films go through multiple screenwriters because the first, second, third or even farther along doesn't quite get everything right when it comes to what TPTB are looking for. But let's hope the Depp/DS film doesn't have to go down that road and that the first screenwriter does indeed end up being their perfect choice.)
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It seems a bit odd to me that they have yet to agree on a screenwriter for the film.
Selecting a screenwriter is a very important part of any film's development (well, unless the script was already written before the film was ever pitched to the studio [ghost_wink]). I'd much rather that WB, Depp, King, et al. give the choice very careful consideration than simply hand it over to just anyone. [ghost_shocked] (And truthfully, many films go through multiple screenwriters because the first, second, third or even farther along doesn't quite get everything right when it comes to what TPTB are looking for. But let's hope the Depp/DS film doesn't have to go down that road and that the first screenwriter does indeed end up being their perfect choice.)
I absolutely agree with you MB on the importance of choosing the right screenwriter. My opinion is merely based on a very limited knowledge of how the film industry operates. It just seems to me that TPTB has had ample time (six months or so) to choose a writer. I do realize that there was a writer's strike in that time period. But still it just appears to me that things should move a little faster than it is presently. Hopefully WB has high hopes for this project. I also just wish that WB gives the greenlight on the NODS restoration project. They seem to be dragging its feet on that project as well.
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It's not at all unusual for it to sometimes take a long time for a screenwriter to be chosen. It's also not unusual for the development phase of a movie to take years. I know we'd much prefer that not to be the case with the Depp/DS film - but it is possible. [ghost_sad]
And knowing the way WB operates, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they're waiting to greenlight the NoDS restoration until after the Depp/DS film is out of development and on its way to production. They're no doubt figuring the new film will bring publicity to all the versions of DS and they can parlay that into hopefully greater sales for the DVD. Studio execs think that way - especially when they get it into their heads that they can probably save big on the DVD's promotion budget by somehow piggybacking it with the film's promotion.
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This is interesting: jimbo pointed me to fearnet.com (the horror movie database) and they're listing Dan Daniels as the writer of the Depp/DS film: Horror A-Z: Dark Shadows (http://www.fearnet.com/HorrorAZDetail.aspx?movieID=1077368) Though where they may have gotten that info is anyone's guess - and I don't have any idea if the site is generally reliable because I've never actually visited the site before tonight. I did a search of Variety.com, though, and unless it somehow didn't come up, they've never reported the attachment of Mr. Daniels to the film. In fact, the only Dan Daniels who comes up in a search works as a film sound engineer. And odder still, the only Dan Daniels who comes up on IMDB .com is an actor/writer who appeared in the '96 film Expect No Mercy and who wrote the '66 French Canadian film Footsteps in the Snow. :-\ Though who's to say that even that man is the same Dan Daniels as the one supposedly writing the Depp/DS film? [idontknow] Dan Daniels seems like it could be a very common name, and the one who may have been hired to write this film could have been hired based on work that he's done outside the film industry. I suppose only time will tell...
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OK - now we're getting into REALLY odd territory that would definitely seem to put the above info into complete doubt. For the fun of it, I just did a search on fearnet.com for Dan Daniels, and what also comes up besides the Depp/DS film is the '91 series - and according to the site's listing for that, Dan Daniels was a director, a writer, and a producer on the show: Horror A-Z: Dark Shadows (http://www.fearnet.com/HorrorAZDetail.aspx?movieID=99363). Um, not quite. In fact, every one of those listings should actually be Dan Curtis. And one thing I think we can say with almost absolute certainty is that Dan Curtis will not be writing the Depp/DS film...
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OK - now we're getting into REALLY odd territory that would definitely seem to put the above info into complete doubt. For the fun of it, I just did a search on fearnet.com for Dan Daniels, and what also comes up besides the Depp/DS film is the '91 series - and according to the site's listing for that, Dan Daniels was a director, a writer, and a producer on the show: (URL)
. Um, not quite. In fact, every one of those listings should actually be Dan Curtis. And one thing I think we can say with almost absolute certainty is that Dan Curtis will not be writing the Depp/DS film...
I was hesitant to post this information as something did not seem right and I preferred to get this confirmed first. I had sent an email to that website awaiting a confirmation of the facts. Yes it does seem that Dan Daniels is one of the best kept secrets in Dark Shadows history-jk. It would be really funny if a Dan Daniels is indeed the writer for the DS movie. I'll keep you posted if I hear from the website in any event. I think said website should immediately correct this apparent misinformation.
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I hate to say it, but I strongly suspect that it's a case that someone over there has a weird sense of humor because subsequent searches have brought up Dan Daniels in place of Dan Curtis in several of DC's productions. And unless someone also checked out those other listings (which the casual reader most probably would not), they would easily take it on face value that Mr. Daniels is actually the screenwriter for the Depp/DS film.
Yet more evidence that it's frequently best to take much of what's on the Internet with a grain of salt. ::)
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I think websites have an obligation to report the facts and not intentionally/unintentially insult the integrity of someone like the legendary Dan Curtis if they want to be considered as an official news source. It seems they made a fool of us fans in the process.
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Sadly, seemingly some Internet venues' sole reasons for being are to report erroneous info and to twist the facts whenever possible. The people behind them actually get off on it - and the more twisted the info, the more they get off. [ghost_wacko]
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Sadly, seemingly some Internet venues' sole reasons for being are to report erroneous info and to twist the facts whenever possible. The people behind them actually get off on it - and the more twisted the info, the more they get off. [ghost_wacko]
That is truly very sad MB. Just hope that they will correct this misinformation and that it is not picked up on the UPI ticker. lol
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IS anything ever going to come of this its been like 9 months and not one new thing about this suppose film. is johney depp comiited to this or was it just a passing fancy At least when the new tv show was planed there was a lot of news about it even though nothing came of it.
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I think we can all relate to your frustration, LOOKE300. But a TV pilot and a movie happen very differently. With a TV pilot development moves fairly quickly because it has to be cast and produced (and sometimes even written) within a short window of a limited amount of months so that it will be ready for a network to watch and decide if they want to pick it up as a series on their next schedule. With a movie, though, development can and often does last years. And factor in the writers' strike and the fact that Depp already had a few movies in the development pipeline ahead of the DS film, and it's not really surprising that not much has moved ahead on the DS film yet. However, in interviews Depp has said that he is committed to the film and he hopes it will be made.
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MB is right. This could take a very long time. The writers strike certainly put things behind, and with Depp's schedule, and being so in demand, he definitely has several projects lined up, one of which, Shantram I think, keeps getting canned, then being greenlit again.
Just some food for thought:
The new "Speed Racer" movie that the Wachowski brothers are helming, is from produced Joel Silver, who says he's been shopping around the movie idea, trying to get it off the ground, for 20 YEARS! And then he finally found the right time, place, and people to bring it to life.
Alternatively, either the WB or Marvel (can't remember which off hand) is/was planning a Wonder Woman movie, which would help to kickstart the Justice League of America movie they're trying to get off the ground. Joss Whedon was attached to the WW project, to write the script, and after a year of working on it, he and the production company parted ways. Then the JL movie was canceled, so the WW project could take front and center, and last I've heard, the WW film is in the can, and they're trying to bring about JL all on its own.
So, as you can see, things don't really stay the same, or even in pre-pre-production for very long sometimes before things change. I think we're not going to hear much about the DS film until after 2010, and the film probably won't come out until sometime between 2010-15.
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It does seem that the new DS movie is stuck in Development Hell where many movies never escape from. I still believe that not hiring a screenwriter at this juncture is a very disturbing sign as to the direction the project is heading which is nowhere as of this writing. Certainly we would all agree that TPTB does not consider this DS movie a priority. On March 2, Shadowgram indicated that a writer was soon to be announced. I am fully aware now of the importance of hiring the right screenwriter. However, something is just not right here. The upcoming Fest is advertised still at its website that we are celebrating the release of the two DS theatrical movies on DVD plus preparations for the new DS movie. It's unclear if the DVDs will be released this year and that it appears that we won't know anything about the movie at the time of the Fest. I was told that some of Depp's projects are on shaky ground and that DS could emerge to replace some of his shaky projects if the DS movie gets out of development hell. So this could turn around real fast. Let's hope that it does.
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Wasn't the Spiderman movie project in endless development for something like 20 years? I remember articles about the project in the mid 90s and the articles then said that it had already been through several attempted scripts. Sorry, but hiring a screenwriter means nothing in today's madcap Hollywood.
I figure they have about ten years to play with before Depp starts to get too long in the tooth to play Barnabas--possibly a bit longer given how fantastic Depp's skin looks at his current age.
The main reason why *I* would like to see the Depp project bear fruit sooner than later is that I have this suspicion that without the big profile of the Depp project to push their insect-like mental faculties into action, TPTB are going to keep the hoDS/NoDS restoration project and DVD release on hold FOREVER.
G.
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it appears that we won't know anything about the movie at the time of the Fest
I have to confess that given the writers' strike and the film load Depp already had in the wings, several DS friends and I laughed when we first saw that the Fest had set aside 30 minutes to discuss the Depp/DS movie because, even back when the schedule was first announced, it didn't seem as if there would be enough info available to fill 3 let alone 30 minutes - and that seems to be even truer now.
I can certainly understand the Fest wanting to set aside that much allotted time on the off chance that developments substantial enough to actually trigger a 30 minute discussion might take place between the drafting of the schedule and July 19th. However, at this point I'm still going with my initial reaction because, unless a lot of stuff is happening that not even the trades are aware of as yet, it seems unlikely there will be much news beyond what we already know in time for the Fest. Don't get me wrong - I would love for something to actually happen that would be worthy of a 30 minute discussion - it's just that with every passing day it seems less and less likely.
We've given this warning several times in the past, but it never hurts to repeat that a good rule of thumb so far as the Fests go is that it's often a smart idea to take the heralding of "surprise" announcements or even planned panels with a grain of salt. All too often they fall flat or even disappear altogether without any explanation whatsoever once the Fests actually roll around...
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it appears that we won't know anything about the movie at the time of the Fest
I have to confess that given the writers' strike and the film load Depp already had in the wings, several DS friends and I laughed when we first saw that the Fest had set aside 30 minutes to discuss the Depp/DS movie because, even back when the schedule was first announced, it didn't seem as if there would be enough info available to fill 3 let alone 30 minutes - and that seems to be even truer now.
I can certainly understand the Fest wanting to set aside that much allotted time on the off chance that developments substantial enough to actually trigger a 30 minute discussion might take place between the drafting of the schedule and July 19th. However, at this point I'm still going with my initial reaction because, unless a lot of stuff is happening that not even the trades are aware of as yet, it seems unlikely there will be much news beyond what we already know in time for the Fest. Don't get me wrong - I would love for something to actually happen that would be worthy of a 30 minute discussion - it's just that with every passing day it seems less and less likely.
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MB I would like to believe that there are several behind the scene developments that are happening and that they will soon make one big announcement. It just seems that this project is on hold for whatever reason. At this point I doubt that there is internal fighting as to who the screenwriter will be. They have had sufficient time to hire a competent one. But if the project is indeed d.o.a. I would also hope that we would soon be told that.
As far as the Fest is concerned I guess it believed that at a minimum a director and screenwriter would have been named by this year's Festival. That makes sense to me. At least there may have been something to talk about. It is unfortunate that it now appears there will be 30 minutes of pure speculation and what could have been discussions. So we would be back to square one. The Dark Shadows Resurrected theme seems a bit empty at this time.
When Shadowgram indicated on March 2 that a writer would soon be named I thought this project was finally going to get off the ground. It is now April 29. I guess something happened that was beyond Shadowgram's control and/or knowledge. My goodness let's get this baby going. lol
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When Shadowgram indicated on March 2 that a writer would soon be named I thought this project was finally going to get off the ground. It is now April 29. I guess something happened that was beyond Shadowgram's control and/or knowledge.
The thing about SG is that Marcy reports what she's told. She trusts her sources - but if the one doing the telling is being overly optimistic and not necessarily telling her that, well, she has no way of knowing. And anyone who pays attention in fandom knows that one of the ones who often does the telling has certainly been known to be overly optimistic and/or to jump the gun with the hopes of things working out before it becomes obvious that what they said/did was overly optimistic. [wink2]
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When Shadowgram indicated on March 2 that a writer would soon be named I thought this project was finally going to get off the ground. It is now April 29. I guess something happened that was beyond Shadowgram's control and/or knowledge.
The thing about SG is that Marcy reports what she's told. She trusts her sources - but if the one doing the telling is being overly optimistic and not necessarily telling her that, well, she has no way of knowing. And anyone who pays attention in fandom knows that one of the ones who often does the telling has certainly been known to be overly optimistic and/or to jump the gun with the hopes of things working out before it becomes obvious that what they said/did was overly optimistic. [wink2]
That has to be very frustrating for her as well. Marcy relies on news given to her as "confirmed". And I know who you are talking about. lol
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Getting a movie off the ground can take a few years especially if you are an actor, writer or director involved in other projects. It all seems like it's taking forever to get anything solid off the ground re the DS movie but that's because are focusing on that one project while the players behind the project are involved with several things at different stages right now.
Nancy [ghost_wacko]
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dose depp own all the rights to ds or only the movie rights,if in the unlikely event someone was interested in trying again to get a new tv show on the air would they have to buy the rights from depp or dose the curtis estate still own those rights?
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This article indicates in part that Katheryn Leigh Scott sent Johnny Depp her entire DS book collection to help him prepare for the role of Barnabas Collins.
http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/lunch/lunch_moguls_mavens_and_a_vampire_primer_83683.asp
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Interesting. The link also indicates that KLS has sold Pomegranate Press.
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Katheryn Leigh Scott sent Johnny Depp her entire DS book collection to help him prepare for the role of Barnabas Collins.
I hope Depp remembers enough about the show to filter out all the errors in the PomPress books. [ghost_wink] [ghost_rolleyes]
dose depp own all the rights to ds or only the movie rights,if in the unlikely event someone was interested in trying again to get a new tv show on the air would they have to buy the rights from depp or dose the curtis estate still own those rights?
Interesting question. I believe the initial announcement articles implied Depp et al. have a movie rights deal, not the rights to any sort of other projects. But at any rate, the Curtis estate still owns all the rights to DS, so presumably anyone else would have to negotiate with them.
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The main reason why *I* would like to see the Depp project bear fruit sooner than later is that I have this suspicion that without the big profile of the Depp project to push their insect-like mental faculties into action, TPTB are going to keep the hoDS/NoDS restoration project and DVD release on hold FOREVER.
Me too, G. I felt the same way about the '04 series. A "new" DS might be cool, but anything that could result in the WB green-lighting Darren's restoration is Aces in my book.
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Wow, the mention of KLS sending Johnny the books is great news! It means that even if we don't hear day to day progress (or even month to month!) things sometimes do get done behind the scenes that we never hear of. In the Depp fan world, we haven't heard of much going on with DS in the last few months; he's filming Public Enemies in Wisconsin and Illinois and seems to have a very full schedule. But the guy is a great multitasker- he was preparing for Sweeney Todd while still doing Pirates, and so on. Oftentimes, we'll suddenly find out about some project that we had no idea he'd been involved in- for instance I just found out yesterday that he did some voice work for a Showtime show called This American Life that will apparently air this Sun.
I can't say for sure that Johnny is going to succeed in getting this movie made. And even though I'm chomping at the bit for it, I realize that it will probably take years. (Shantaram, which someone mentioned, has been in the works for 3-1/2 years, and The Rum Diary for even longer). However, what I will say about him is that he is passionate about the things he does and wants to do, and never takes them lightly or on a whim. I think he's going to do his darndest to get this made. I'll be waiting and hoping!!
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Thank you cousin madscntst for your encouraging post. I guess by now you know that DS fans have been let down many times through the years with rumors of DS revivals that never materialized outside of the 1991 mini-series and the 2004 pilot. My question is, if you know, is it common in past Johnny Depp's movies that there is no announcement that a screenwriter or director has been made and they wait to release all details all at once? I mean is it possible that the DS script has already been written and we don't know it? I have no frame of reference with Depp's movies. Any input from you would be greatly appreciated.
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Thank you cousin madscntst for your encouraging post. I guess by now you know that DS fans have been let down many times through the years with rumors of DS revivals that never materialized outside of the 1991 mini-series and the 2004 pilot. My question is, if you know, is it common in past Johnny Depp's movies that there is no announcement that a screenwriter or director has been made and they wait to release all details all at once? I mean is it possible that the DS script has already been written and we don't know it? I have no frame of reference with Depp's movies. Any input from you would be greatly appreciated.
Uhhhh.... I dunno [ghost_smiley] Well, there's no established way that Johnny's people or now his production company update the Depp fan community. So we sometimes find out about things as they're happening, but more often we hear things in spurts. Occasionally (though not often) it's all at once, but usually there are *some* kinds of murmurs going on. We hear things in announcements in trades like Variety, or from remarks by actors, screenwriters, directors, producers etc. that happen to get reported. And even then, sometimes it's not completely accurate- for instance the Shantaram author Greg Roberts announced on his blog at one point that his screenplay for the film was done... but then we found out awhile later that Johnny was unsatisfied with it as is and had another screenwriter come in to revise it. But I didn't know about that until after it happened. I don't mean to scare you, but it's just to say that no matter how hard the fans go searching for news (and believe me, Depp fans will scour the net and other media quite thoroughly!! Just as I'm sure DS fans do!!) there's a lot going on that the public just never finds out about.
I've been rather hoping that the DS community may find out about some of the proceedings first! I've been hoping that the fest discussion will somehow have some kind of progress report, though maybe that is optimistic of me!
All this said, I seriously doubt that a script has been finished. Last we heard (and I think I posted this), a screenwriter had not yet been selected, and if I recall correctly, that was in the middle of the writers' strike, so no further progress could be made during that time, anyway. Perhaps one is being written now that the strike is over, but I just don't think a good quality script could be finished in such a short time. So... we may be in for the long haul. I wonder if we'll even get any feedback about what the movie is going to be *about* [ghost_wink] Will it be basically the HODS story, or will it incorporate more of the characters from the show, or will it go off in a new direction?? Do we even know that much yet? I don't think we've heard anything about the plot from the Depp side, other than that it will include Barnabas!
Cathy
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Hi Cathy. Thank you for your informative response. It seems both universes should get together and hire a private investigator to try to find out about what is going on with the DS film. jk
As we know, there are some movie projects that never get off the ground. In this case it would appear that either the project is dead or that Depp's production company is looking to film this movie in 2011. That is the frustrating part-not knowing what the truth is. I don't see the reason why the production company would not release the name of the movie's screenwriter to the media. I mean this is not a top secret national security project we are talking about. I am tying to figure out is why would they intentionally withold information from the media. It makes no sense to me so I have to assume in the absence of a progress report that nothing is happening. We of course are hoping to hear some news from our side of the house. Your question is a good one. We don't know what the storyline will be. It could be the classic approach or a more innovative approach. We don't know who the director will be and how he or she may interpret the script. Let's hope that we hear something soon and thanks for your enthusiasm to this project.
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As usual I've been late catching up on my e-mail notices, and when I first glanced down at the final paragraph in this article (the first one I came across on the subject of Wedge's deal), I thought for a fraction of a second that it was finally announcing the screenwriter for the Depp/DS film:
http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/8289
But no - it turned out to only be another mention that (Graham) King is collaborating with Depp on DS. [ghost_sad]
But the good news in all this should be that anyone who might have feared the Depp/DS film was dead simply because there's been no news of late can now rest easy that it is not. Here's the announcement from Variety of Wedge's deal:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117985121.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
and it clearly states that the film is still in development. [ghost_wink]
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I just wanted to get a few opinions on the new Dark Shadows movie that Johnny Depp is going to produce. I am hoping that whoever is going to play Barnabas looks more like Jonathan Frid than Ben Cross. I never could get into the Dark Shadows revival series because Ben Cross just didn't look like Barnabas.
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It is my understanding that Johnny Depp, himself, intends to play Barnabas. Given the chameleonic range of roles he has assumed, I believe Johnny Depp may be expected to do a good job with his portrayal, whether or not he can achieve a close physical resemblance to Jonathan Frid.
Here is an interesting history on Johnny's intended portrayal of vampire Barnabas Collins (scroll down toward the bottom of the page):
http://www.johnnydepp-zone.com/reeljohnny/
"Coincidentally, series creator Dan Curtis gave his blessing to Johnny playing his most famous character in an interview published online on five years ago (September 18, 2002). Responding to a suggestion that a DARK SHADOWS film remake would work if Johnny Depp were cast as Barnabas, Curtis replied: "I agree that Johnny Depp would be great as a new Barnabas."
You don't get a stronger endorsement than that.
-Raycheetah =^[.]^=
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But... Dan Curtis wasn't crazy about the idea of Jonathan Frid as Barnabas, was he?
A cool thought just occurred... I'm sure plenty of people here know the answer to that, but now we have someone on the board who can give a firsthand answer....!
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Johnny Depp would do justice to the character of Barnabas. I have read on another forum that Depp is only going to produce the movie and that some one by the name of Daniel Craig will play the role. Does anyone know anything about Daniel Craig? I am of a strong opinion that Jonathan Frid had so much class that he put into the role of Barnabas that it will be too hard to top him. He was a vampire but also the epitome of a perfect gentleman. Who could possibly live up to that standard?
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It's news to us that Daniel Craig is going to play Barnabas. I've seen speculation (on sites like tv.com) that Craig might make a good Barnabas, but I've never seen it said in any official capacity that he's been cast. And given Depp's oft expressed childhood dream to play Barnabas, it seems nothing short of odd that he would give up the role to another actor. Though Craig could have potential. Perhaps his turn in the latest Bond film doesn't show it, but his earlier work does...
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I hope that you are right. Anyway it looks like the new Dark Shadows movie should be released sometime in 2009 from what I have gathered. Either way I am looking forward to it. Wouldn't it be great if some of the original DS stars could get cameo roles in the new DS movie?
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Daniel Craig, IMO, is fabulous, but Depp's the only man I want to see playing Barnabas in this new film. I haven't heard anything about Craig being Barnabas.
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"Coincidentally, series creator Dan Curtis gave his blessing to Johnny playing his most famous character in an interview published online on five years ago (September 18, 2002). Responding to a suggestion that a DARK SHADOWS film remake would work if Johnny Depp were cast as Barnabas, Curtis replied: "I agree that Johnny Depp would be great as a new Barnabas."
You don't get a stronger endorsement than that.
That was a DC change of heart. . .he didn't want Depp for the 90s revival series. Depp was recommended by Sam Hall and auditioned for the part to my understanding. Depp was 27-28, more in tune with Barnabas' **supposed** age?
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I don't know about the rest of you but, as much as I liked the "House of Dark Shadows" it was a bit disappointing in a couple of ways which I hope that the New Dark Shadows movie will not replicate. The movie diverted from the television show greatly. [spoiler]Barnabas never attacked members of his own family. It was terrible that Barnabas was killed as well as many other members of the Collins family. The "House of Dark Shadows" seemed to aim at killing off the show completely.[/spoiler] Even the sequel "Night of Dark Shadows" seemed a bit boring with most of the Collins family gone. I am looking forward to the new movie, I just hope that it gives life to Dark Shadows and not another death blow.
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Hi JWS,
As I am sure others will point out, regarding the House of DS movie:
[spoiler]In the original 1967 storyline, Barnabas did attack Carolyn. They obviously liked how the Frid/Barrett fanging chem took onscreen because they also wrote it so that Barn attacked Barrett's characters again in 1795 and in Parallel Time. As far as kiilling off the whole family, this happened as well in PT 1970. I know it may seem ghoulish but I kind of felt as if, at this stage of the game, they wanted to liven things up by, erm, hacking up a bunch of the family. (Forgive my bizarre sense of humor--or, as Miss Winters would have phrased it, "How ... macabre!" [/spoiler]
All that said, I thought the HoDS film was way too much blood, fangs and violence and not enough of the character or mood stuff that was where the real magic of DS lay.
I'm frankly not optimistic that the Depp project will focus more on character and mood, but I suppose it is possible. I am mainly looking forward to the Depp project because Warners just might FINALLY authorize spending the funds to restore the original films! Not that I am holding my breath!
G.
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Hi G.
I think that you nailed it right on target. There was some fangs and gore maybe a little too much. The personalities of the characters is what made us love them. Most everyone loved Barnabas not because he was a vampire but because he came across as very human and we all felt bad about him being cursed by Angelique. In a way I wanted Barnabas to be cured but in away I wanted to stay a vampire so I could keep feeling sorry for him too. I'm sure that probably doesn't make sense but Dark Shadows was full of emotions of every kind that was brought out by the television show that was missing in the movies. It was also missing in the Resurrection of DS. I just didn't have the same feelings for Ben Cross as I did for Jonathan Frid. Frid is just such a marvelous actor you can't help but love him. I would really love to ask Jonathan Frid about his perception of the House of Dark Shadows in comparison to the television show.
Since Depp is supposed to be a real Dark Shadows and Barnabas fan I am hoping that he will do what is right. I'm not sure if the script has been written for the movie but if it hasn't I hope that the writers are reading this forum.
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I hope there are three new movies about Barnabas.
In the first he would start out seeming to be a your classic bad guy vampire much like "House" but as we get into the story we would learn that he doesn't like what he is as Dr. Holfman offers his her cure. She would turn on him after finding out the he loves Maggie. He would age and Maggie would be transported back in time.
In the second movie we would get the story of Barnabas, Angelique and Josette, it would end with Barnabas being chained into his coffin.
The third movie would be set back in the present and it would either tell of the cure or death of Barnabas, maybe both endings could be filmed.
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But... Dan Curtis wasn't crazy about the idea of Jonathan Frid as Barnabas, was he?
A cool thought just occurred... I'm sure plenty of people here know the answer to that, but now we have someone on the board who can give a firsthand answer....!
Don't know if this is urban legend but it's still just plain funny. Wasn't one of the other finalists for Barnabas Burt Convy?
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While I doubt Convy would have had the "presence" or VOICE that would have made "Barnabas" the success Jonathan Frid managed to accomplish, he was no slouch in the brooding dark good looks department, BEFORE he developed his 1970's "game-show fro." [ghost_rolleyes]
There are still some good pictures from this period on this archived website:
http://web.archive.org/web/20050204061441/bertconvy.net/main.html (http://web.archive.org/web/20050204061441/bertconvy.net/main.html)
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I agree Bert Convey would have made a great Barnabas with the looks anyway, But would he have been as good an actor as Jonathan Frid? You have to admit Jonathan Frid is awesome. Plus he has more class in his little finger that most actors.
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New Dark Shadows movie poster. It looks really cool! Something else that I just thought about, I hope that this isn't going to be a remake of "House of Dark Shadows" That thought just came to me after looking at the new DS poster. I 'm getting really excited now.
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JS, are you talking about the image in your avatar, or are you referring to something else? Either way, am I right in assuming it was created by a fan?
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This is interesting: jimbo pointed me to fearnet.com (the horror movie database) and they're listing Dan Daniels as the writer of the Depp/DS film
I hate to say it, but I strongly suspect that it's a case that someone over there has a weird sense of humor because subsequent searches have brought up Dan Daniels in place of Dan Curtis in several of DC's productions.
At least this site that I just came across has the good sense to list details as "Not available": Dark Shadows - ShockTillYouDrop.com (http://www.shocktilyoudrop.com/films.php?id=894). And it looks like one that might be reliable once details are released.
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I am so embarrassed! Last night I was emailed by the creator of this poster. His name is Mike. He told me that he created this poster a couple of years ago. I am so sorry that I got caught up in the excitement of seeing this poster. Mike, also tells me that The new Dark Shadows movie will be a remake of House of Dark Shadows. This is my greatest fear not only do I hate remakes because most of them lack any kind of originality. I was so hoping that Johnny Depp would make Barnabas a good guy and add some class to the new DS movie. I wish that there was a way for us DS fans to putt in some of our opinions so that this new movie will be a big success. I really would love to know Jonathan Frid's opinion on this matter too. Maybe he can have some influence on Johnny Depp, since Johnny is a big fan of his.
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Thank you for your response, JS. And there's no need to feel embarrassed, as most of us can relate to your excited anticipation.
But since no details have been released about the plot of the future movie, I think it's a safe bet that Mike is merely speculating about it being a remake of HoDS.
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JS many of us post messages that are premature and/or inaccurate so don't feel embarrassed. I remember recently posting the name of the screenwriter for the new DS movie I read from a website and it turned out that the guy does not exist. It happens. BTW I do like the poster from what I can see of it. Very original. Mike did a great job. Would like to see the entire poster. As Midnite pointed out, no details regarding the movie's plot have been released to the media or by Dan Curtis Productions. Hopefully DCP will have some news for us soon. I would have to guess that the new DS movie, if there is one, will be geared to a wide audience. There are many people especially younger ones who may never have heard of DS so character development is essential. I sincerely doubt if the new DS movie will be based on HODS.
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For those whose reading is shot to hell, here is a link (http://groups.msn.com/THEDARKSHADOWSFILES/adams.msnw?action=ShowPhoto&PhotoID=1098) to the original avatar in JS profile. It's quite an old poster he did by the looks of the date when it originally posted. He was ahead of his time here.
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I suppose we all have to be a little patient and not jump to too many conclusions about what the new DS movie is going to be about. I will just cross my fingers and wait for a great movie that has been a long time coming. I'm sure that most of us won't be disappointed.
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I suppose we all have to be a little patient and not jump to too many conclusions about what the new DS movie is going to be about.
Someone told me that the movie would be about the 2-3 episodes which featured Garth Blackwood in the series. Also, Jeb Hawkes, Nicholas Blair, Adam, and Judah Zachary are worked into the plot somehow. Petofi is played by John Goodman.
LOL...
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You joke, but John Goodman might actually make for an interesting Petofi - though I don't think Petofi will be in this movie. [ghost_wink]
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Now I'm picturing Roseanne Barr playing Maggie Evans. Barnabas takes one look at her and thinks: "Wow, reincarnation wasn't kind to Josette. Guess I should count my lucky stars I didn't marry her 200 years ago; I really missed a bullet with that one."
Gerard
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Hey folks, some news (I think). According to IESB.net, John August is writing the script for "Tim Burton's Dark Shadows." This is certainly the first I've heard of Burton directing the film, though I know there has been speculation about it. August wrote the screenplays for both Charlie And The Chocolate Factory and Corpse Bride. I'm still not totally sure I am happy with Tim's involvement, though I feel better after having seen Sweeney Todd, which is darker and less "fanciful" than most of his other work. But I'm sure glad to see progress being made on the film!
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4997&Itemid=99 (http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4997&Itemid=99)
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I've never really been all that worried about the potential of a Tim Burton DS film. Movies like Sweeny Todd and most especially Sleepy Hollow keep me from getting worried. Add in the fact that Depp is a fan, and Burton seems to be, too, and I'm pretty confident they'll create an excellent film.
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Good point, bb, and I didn't mean to sound as negative about Burton as I did above. I do love Tim, it's just that he wouldn't have been my first thought for director of DS, other than that Johnny absolutely loves working with him. But that last point is key-- they do make a great team, and I think they will really push each other hard to make a great film.
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I hope the IESB report does pan out to be true. It would be great news (well the John August part - I'm not so sure about the Tim Burton part - but if that turns out to be true, I'll learn to live with it) because it means progress is finally being made...
Thanks for the heads up madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
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(Well, maybe John August wouldn't be such good news after all - I now see that he wrote the scripts for both Charlie's Angels movies [eek] - but he also wrote and directed The Nines. which I recall did get a fair amount of praise for being complex and thought provoking (something the CA scripts quite obviously weren't). I'll keep an open mind... But let's just hope he never confuses his DS script with the one he's supposedly writing concurrently for Billy Batson and the Legend of Shazam!)
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Hmmm... Tim Burton is directing, and John August is writing the script... I foresee the Blue Whale madeover as a goth chick bar, with Maggie Evans now known as Margaretha, fronting a Siouxie and the Banshees tribute band, and being really into Barn's "deathly" vibe.
Wonder what the gaming component of the marketing will look like?
Sardonically,
G.
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I foresee the Blue Whale madeover as a goth chick bar, with Maggie Evans now known as Margaretha, fronting a Siouxie and the Banshees tribute band, and being really into Barn's "deathly" vibe.
Please don't give them ideas - at least not like that! [ghost_shocked] [ghost_wink]
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Interestingly, though certainly not surprisingly because once something like that gets posted on one site it gets picked up by others, the news of Tim Burton directing and John August writing the script is all over the Internet. Here are just a handful of links:
ComingSoon.net: Burton, August & Depp Reteam on Dark Shadows (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=45590)
BloodyDisgusting.com: Writer and Director Discovered for 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/12454)
AintItCool.com: Who's Directing Johnny Depp's DARK SHADOWS Movie?? (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/36942)
DreadCentral.com: Burton on Dark Shadows Film? (http://www.dreadcentral.com/story/burton-dark-shadows-film)
ShockTillYouDrop.com: Burton, August Leap into Dark Shadows (http://shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=6352)
Interestingly, AintItCool.com claims they've known of August's involvement for "a while now". Also interestingly, August has his own blog (http://www.johnaugust.com) that we might want to keep an eye on. [ghost_wink]
If all this is true and the Fest was hoping to keep a lid on it until the Fest, well, so much for that idea...
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I was so hoping Tim Burton would sign on. Wanna fresh angle on DS? He'll give it that. I don't believe Burton will go campy on it. Depp has a definite reverence for the show at least it seems so from the interviews I've read.
Nancy
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I think that IESB has been pretty reliable, in my experience. And ComingSoon usually only reports pretty reliable info. Since this came from a named director, though I haven't seen the actual interview yet, it feels like solid information. (Flimsy rumors are usually reported by unnamed "insiders".)
Great point MB about keeping an eye on August's blog-- he may not give too many details in it, but we might be able to get a feel for the general status if he starts to discuss it. I didn't realize that August wrote the Charlie's Angels movie [ghost_grin] I didn't see that, but I'll try not to hold that one against him [ghost_wink]
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Many more sites are jumping on the bandwagon. This is probably the most interesting of the latest batch: Tim Burton to Direct 'Dark Shadows'? (http://www.cinematical.com/2008/06/02/tim-burton-to-direct-dark-shadows/)
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Yet another batch of new sites have popped up, and this one is interesting because, as well as reporting the news, it poses the question, "Does Dark Shadows have the makings of a great Tim Burton movie?" - and people are responding. Check out: Tim Burton and John August Developing Dark Shadows (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/06/02/tim-burton-and-john-august-developing-dark-shadows/)
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[ghost_tongue2] More great news! Now we have a writer a director and a star. I will definitely keep watching this thread. I'm not familiar with Tim Burton, Anyone know what he has written?
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Please disregard my last post. I should have clicked on the links provided by Mysterious Benefactor first and I wouldn't be asking stupid questions. I guess I just can't help it. I am so excited about all this good news that has been cooking for over a year and now it is finally coming true.
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No problem, JS. I suspect most of us can completely relate to your excitement. [ghost_wink]
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I just typed in Dark Shadows at IMDB and it gives you the title and a release date of 2010. I was so hoping for at least 2009. [ghost_sad]
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I'll be honest here. I'm a big fan of Tim Burton, and I have most of his movies on DVD. That said, I hate his policy of filming American stories overseas with foreign actors that he started with Sleepy Hollow; there were at least a dozen major and supporting characters in that film, and if I remember correctly, only three were actually played by Americans (Depp as Crane, Christina Ricci as Katrina, and someone else I can't remember at the moment). Granted, this is Dark Shadows, where Quentin from New England speaks with a West Virginia accent, but it annoys me all the same. Also, though I love Burton's brand of dark comedy, I simply don't want that applied to Dark Shadows, at least not in huge amounts. If he films it here with a pinch of his trademark humor, local actors, and a lot of visual flair, I'll be pleased. If he uses a nearly all-British cast and/or overdoes the humor, I'll be disappointed.
However, one Brit I definitely wouldn't mind seeing involved (and if Burton is the director, it's a sure thing) is Helena Bonham Carter. Did anyone else think "Barnabas and Julia" during the wedding bit in Sweeney Todd?
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I don't know if this has been mentioned anywhere on our illustrious board (even in this thread), but most certainly the actress to play Elizabeth Collins Stoddard (or Naomi Collins) should be Helen Mirren.
Gerard
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Finally, someone threw us a bone. jk I would prefer to have these "rumors" substantiated by DCP. In fact perhaps DS movie producer David Kennedy of DCP will soon have something to say to us via Shadowgram. Seems only fair to me.
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I just typed in Dark Shadows at IMDB and it gives you the title and a release date of 2010.
The thing about Burton's involvement is, like Depp, and thanks to ProfStokes posting this link:
...Down the Rabbit Hole for Tim Burton (http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-burtonaliceinwonderland3d,0,5573427.story?coll=zap-news-headlines)...
we know that he has others films in his pipeline. 2010 would seem like the earliest a finished DS film will surface - it could take longer. Animated films have an especially long production period and Burton is the type to want to personally oversee it all.
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though I love Burton's brand of dark comedy, I simply don't want that applied to Dark Shadows, at least not in huge amounts.
I have the same concern - though I'm willing to keep an open mind. Others have pointed to Sleepy Hollow as a film where Burton kept it mostly serious and as a good example of what DS might be like in his hands. It's been 7-8 years since I've seen that film, so I suppose I need to revisit it to get a better idea of what Burton could do with DS.
I would prefer to have these "rumors" substantiated by DCP. In fact perhaps DS movie producer David Kennedy of DCP will soon have something to say to us via Shadowgram. Seems only fair to me.
Something like that would be nice - however, confirmation may not happen soon. They may decide to keep everything for the Fest presentation come July 19th. That's probably what I would do if I were them so as to make the Fest presentation that much more interesting not only for the DS fans who aren't on the Internet and who aren't reading all these Web site reports, but for everyone attending the Fest...
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Sleepy Hollow, though generally serious in tone, did have quite a lot of "splatter comedy," something I can't really see applying to DS. HoDS had those enormous buckets of raspberry sauce blood, but that carried on in the original show's tradition of being unintentionally funny at times.
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Something like that would be nice - however, confirmation may not happen soon. They may decide to keep everything for the Fest presentation come July 19th. That's probably what I would do if I were them so as to make the Fest presentation that much more interesting not only for the DS fans who aren't on the Internet and who aren't reading all these Web site reports, but for everyone attending the Fest...
That is a very intriguing idea. But in terms of ethical reporting, Shadowgram did state several months ago that a screenwriter was soon to be announced and that they would let us know when that happened. I am not sure why the Fest and/or Shadowgram would then hold back from us fans this reported information? Sounds like a marketing ploy to me. We rely heavily on Shadowgram for the latest confirmed information regarding DS developments. I would like to think that it will continue to do so and not intentionally hold back any confirmed DS developments. That is why I am hoping Mr. Kennedy informs Shadowgram of the latest DS movie developments.
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It wouldn't actually be unethical of SG not to confirm or even deny anything of what we've learned today before it's confirmed or denied at the Fest. As I've said before, SG shares what Marcy is told by her official sources or what she comes across on her own or through the SG subscribers. If no one shares confirmed information about developments with the Depp/DS film with her, she's not being unethical if she's not reporting anything. And any official sources aren't being unethical if they choose to keep to themselves any confirmations or denials until the Fest because they have every right to choose to disseminate their info whenever/however they choose to - not simply because some of it may have been leaked, perhaps even inadvertently, on the Internet. And if they choose to stick to what was probably the original plan of waiting to make the official announcements at the Fest, that's their prerogative. It's not like TPTB would be hiding matters of national security that the public have a right to know. It's simply news about a movie. [ghost_smiley] Sure, some of us might like to know sooner rather than later, but chances are most of us are still going to be just as excited and interested to learn the confirmed details seven weeks from now as we are today. It's really no biggie if we might have to wait that long. [ghost_wink]
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I am not a fan of Tim Burton. The only movie I like from him is "Sleepy Hollow". But I will give him the
benefit of doubt since he will direct the new DS movie.
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With all the good news coming out yesterday about the new Dark Shadows movie maybe someone will finally update some of the DS fan sites. Does anyone know why the big DS fan web sites are so out of date? I know one of the sites hasn't been updated because one of the creators passed away but I thought someone was supposed to take it over? [ghost_sad]
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It wouldn't actually be unethical of SG not to confirm or even deny anything of what we've learned today before it's confirmed or denied at the Fest. As I've said before, SG shares what Marcy is told by her official sources or what she comes across on her own or through the SG subscribers. If no one shares confirmed information about developments with the Depp/DS film with her, she's not being unethical if she's not reporting anything. And any official sources aren't being unethical if they choose to keep to themselves any confirmations or denials until the Fest because they have every right to choose to disseminate their info whenever/however they choose to - not simply because some of it may have been leaked, perhaps even inadvertently, on the Internet. And if they choose to stick to what was probably the original plan of waiting to make the official announcements at the Fest, that's their prerogative. It's not like TPTB would be hiding matters of national security that the public have a right to know. It's simply news about a movie. [ghost_smiley] Sure, some of us might like to know sooner rather than later, but chances are most of us are still going to be just as excited and interested to learn the confirmed details seven weeks from now as we are today. It's really no biggie if we might have to wait that long. [ghost_wink]
Hi MB. I think you may have misread my post and/or I may not have made myself clear. I agree with what you said about that Marcy cannot report anything that is not confirmed to her. I thought I stated that several times in my post. I just disagree on your theory that Shadowgram would intentionally withhold confirmed information to make a bigger splash at the Fest. There is obviously nothing unethical about Marcy and Shadowgram. I think my words got twisted around a bit here. My position is that if Shadowgram was informed by DCP that a screenwriter had been hired, that she would have released it immediately as so promised. There is no doubt in my mind that would be the case. It's just my opinion that I would have an issue if Shadowgram witheld said confirmed information( identity of the screenwriter) from us when they stated that information would be released to us shortly. I think overall we are on the same page.
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Well, IF we can believe AintItCool.com, they've known for a while that John August has been working on a script. So, if that's true, the fact that he has has indeed been going unreported until yesterday. At the time that Marcy mentioned she would announce the screenwriter's name, I'm sure she was quite sincere about it. However, one place I think we disagree might be that if Marcy was, say, told off the record about August and Burton's involvement in the Depp/DS film and she was asked to not circulate that news in SG or her online updates because TPTB decided they want to make the official announcement at the Fest, there would be absolutely nothing wrong with that. Originally she may not have been made aware of their plans or they may have simply changed their minds after she'd already said that she'd report the screenwriter's name when confirmation of it developed. IF TPTB made a specific request of her not to say anything, there really isn't much she can do.
Of course, I don't know if that's the case. Now that the news is out, an SG update on the subject of August (and Burton) could be being prepared as I write this and it could come out any minute. But my original reply to you was simply meant as a caution that there's also a possibility that that isn't the case and we probably shouldn't get upset if nothing surfaces from SG until after the Fest - especially if the plan is to make any and all official announcements at the Fest. [ghost_smiley]
Also, unless things have changed since last year at this time, there really is no such thing as DCP anymore - at least not in the way it had previously existed. Its offices were closed down after DC's death, and David Kennedy, its former president, became an independent producer. (I believe there's still a contact phone number for people interested in DCP's catalog of already produced material and the rights to such, but there's no longer any day to day operation.) As Variety reported last July, it was DC's estate that negotiated the deal with Depp for the rights to make a new DS movie - but they might not even have much of a say in how the film is made because that seems to vary from rights deal to rights deal...
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I see that the Soap Opera Digest/Soap Opera Weekly Web site (http://www.soapoperadigest.com) is now reporting Burton's involvement. (Currently #2 in the Breaking News list, but the numbers apparently change as new items are added.) They also have a poll on which other former soap opera fans would most like to see made into a movie. (Currently Another World is leading - though I might have picked Santa Barbara or Edge of Night, which are currently #2 and #3, respectively.)
Even New York Magazine is going with the news: Tim Burton's Previous Movies Not Gothic Enough, Apparently (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/06/tim_burton_to_direct_gothic_su.html)
If by any chance the reports aren't true, there are going to be an awful lot of red-faced people out there. [ghost_wink]
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from MB:
Animated films have an especially long production period and Burton is the type to want to personally oversee it all.
MB, I haven't been reading this topic until today/this page.
Is the DS remake slated to be animated??
(I almost didn't read the article above you linked because at the top of the site, there's a banner ad for BERGDORFGOODMANS!!.)
Patti
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Is the DS remake slated to be animated??
No - but as the article linked to again in reply #285 explains, Burton is working on a 3-D version of Alice In Wonderland that will involve performance-capture, and he's also working on a remake of his short film Frankenweenie that will involve stop-motion animation.
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Check out: Tim Burton and John August Developing Dark Shadows (http://www.firstshowing.net/2008/06/02/tim-burton-and-john-august-developing-dark-shadows/)
This article says John August "has been working on patching up the script." Now what does that mean? Does that mean he wrote it and is just fixing it up a bit more or does that mean someone else wrote it and he's patching up someone else's script? If someone else wrote it, who was it?
And the author of one of the replies refers to DS as "The Shads" -- ?!?!?! Now I watched this show in the original run and I've been involved in fandom since 1990 and I've never heard of DS called The Shads -- have I been left out some sort of elite inner circle? LOL!!
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MB you are right about possibly doubting the aintitcool's website indicating they had already known about August as the screenwriter for the DS movie. That does not pass the smell test. I personally wrote three emails to them which went unanswered. In the past Harry used to respond to my questions. I guess an oversized ego got in the way.
Regarding Shadowgram, if they wanted Marcy to keep the news under her hat, I guess she did need to comply with their request against her wishes to release the information. That is very possible. I did not previously give it that much thought before.
Regarding DCP, I thought it did still exist on paper as a corporation but my main point is that Kennedy is listed as a producer for this film and may have known about the recent developments. But as you said DCP or whatever may not have any creative input on the movie.
I'll pull a rookie mistake here and hope this article has not been posted yet (pressed for time today)-my apologizes in advance to the original poster if that is the case-but it seems that the DS movie is nowhere on the WB's radar up to the year 2012. I did have trouble reading the small print so I hope I did not miss anything. lol
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5002&Itemid=99
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This article says John August "has been working on patching up the script." Now what does that mean? Does that mean he wrote it and is just fixing it up a bit more or does that mean someone else wrote it and he's patching up someone else's script? If someone else wrote it, who was it?
And the author of one of the replies refers to DS as "The Shads" -- ?!?!?! Now I watched this show in the original run and I've been involved in fandom since 1990 and I've never heard of DS called The Shads -- have I been left out some sort of elite inner circle? LOL!!
Hey Mary. I would speculate that the script is more complete than not. lol I don't know but it seems that it may be "complete" but that there are some parts, gaps that require much more work. I think the word patching is better than if he was just starting the script. I would guess that the script is written by him or though he may have some corroborators. Another article stated that because of the writer's strike, August is backlogged. As far as the Shads question maybe someone else can help with that question. I have not heard that particular term before.
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Thanks, Jimbo. Yes, it sounds like the script is more complete than anyone has been letting on since the film was announced. I agree -- patching is better than if he were just starting the script -- LOL!
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MB you are right about possibly doubting the aintitcool's website indicating they had already known about August as the screenwriter for the DS movie. That does not pass the smell test
Actually, I wasn't really implying doubt about AintItCool's claim - I was simply saying that if what they posted is actually true, then that certainly makes it appear as if John August has been involved with the Depp/DS film for longer than any of us have known - and no one has reported it until Peter Segal (perhaps inadvertently) let it slip to IESB and they went with it. A situation like that could lend some credence to the idea that TPTB involved in the Depp/DS film may not have wanted it publicly known until they were ready to make it so, perhaps at the Fest.
Regarding DCP, I thought it did still exist on paper as a corporation but my main point is that Kennedy is listed as a producer for this film and may have known about the recent developments.
I'm sure Kennedy does. He wouldn't be much of a producer if he doesn't. [ghost_grin] It's just that nowadays he has his own production company, Kennedy Films. We learned that last year about a month before we learned about the Depp/DS film deal:
President Of DCP Forms Own Production Company
This article says John August "has been working on patching up the script." Now what does that mean? Does that mean he wrote it and is just fixing it up a bit more or does that mean someone else wrote it and he's patching up someone else's script? If someone else wrote it, who was it?
Given that everyone's source is IESB's report, and that's not the phrasing they used, it may mean nothing much. John August is frequently the go-to guy to polish previously written scripts (he polished the script for Burton's Corpse Bride), so whoever composed the post on FirstShowing.net may have simply had a slip of the tongue, er, a slip of the fingers out of force of habit at having written that in regard to August so many other times that they chose to say "patching up" as opposed to "writing" or "trying to work on" (which is IESB's phrasing). It's only natural that most sites want to make the wording of their posts their own instead of simply copying their source word for word.
And the author of one of the replies refers to DS as "The Shads" -- ?!?!?! Now I watched this show in the original run and I've been involved in fandom since 1990 and I've never heard of DS called The Shads -- have I been left out some sort of elite inner circle? LOL!!
The Shads is a new one on me. I can't say I've ever heard anyone say it or seen anyone write it before you brought it to our attention. But I sort of like it. [ghost_wink]
Maybe we should change the name of the forum to The Shads Forum?
Um - on second thought, no. [ghost_cheesy]
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Sorry MB that I misinterpreted your position on the ainitcool website concerning its claim that it had already known about John August being the DS screenwriter. This article in December, 07, August had stated at his website that he was working on a secret Tim Burton live action movie project and he himself could not divulge its name. Was it DS?
http://www.timburtoncollective.com/2007/12/john-august-hinting-at-unknown-future.html
It seems everyone connected with the DS project wanted its development progress to be kept one big secret.
In any event these are very good times for the DS franchise.
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This article in December, 07, August had stated at his website that he was working on a secret Tim Burton live action movie project and he himself could not divulge its name. Was it DS?
Certainly sounds like it could be. But if so, then SG has either really been out of the loop or keeping the secret for a long time. I mean, if August became attached way back in December of '07, then things have really been kept under wraps. But it would certainly appear to be all out now - at least "unofficially" - and probably all because Peter Segal didn't realize he wasn't supposed to say anything. [ghost_wink] The interesting thing, though is that they probably wouldn't have been able to say anything back in December because the writers' strike was still going on. They probably wouldn't have been able to say anything until after February 12th when the vote was taken to end the strike - and August certainly wouldn't have been able to work on the script until after that date.
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It almost sounds like an episode of the X-Files with conspiracies to hide the truth. OK I am exaggerating a bit. I guess the truth will soon reveal itself. It does seem now that this was accidentally leaked to the media. I don't know how long TPTB intended to keep this a secret independent of the upcoming Fest. If August began writing the script in February then possibly the script is close to being finished.
Thought I pass this article along. Just wished the writer liked NODS.
http://chud.com/articles/blogs/527/Dark-Shadows-Depp-and-Burton----A-good-match.html
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What's really unfortunate is that he chooses to focus on all the things about the original show that are truly incidental to those of us who are so swept away by the storylines that we barely notice them. But, sadly, he's not alone in that. ::)
However, when it comes to the Depp/DS film, he makes a good point about both Burton and Depp being drawn to stories about loners and outsiders and that sensibility being perfect for a vampire story. It's one of the things I'm holding onto since learning of Burton's involvement. I also like his idea of Hugh Jackman playing Quentin - though I suspect that if the film is actually lucky enough to launch a DS franchise, Jackman might not exactly be up for playing Quentin when he's already so well known as Wolverine and that character and Quentin have many similarities...
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When Panarotti mentioned about Hugh Jackman playing Quentin, are they going to include Quentin in
the movie? Because I believed the movie is going to be about Barnabas being release from his chained
coffin at the beginning.
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If only Lara Paker had had the foresight to use the artwork accompanying this report: Burton Steps Into Depps Dark Shadows! (http://movieblog.ugo.com/index.php/movieblog/C1709/) [ghost_wink]
Having not seen Sweeny Todd yet, I have no idea who Jayne Wisener is or what her performance in the film is like. Would she actually be a good choice for Vicki?
And it seems I'm not the only one who has a bit of concern over August's involvement: Depp's Dark Shadows Writer And Director Revealed (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Depp-s-Dark-Shadows-Writer-And-Director-Revealed-9031.html). And this one shares my bit of concern over Burton's involvement: Tim Burton Directing 'Dark Shadows?' (http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/685992/Tim_Burton_Directing_Dark_Shadows.html), though for different reasons. But as I said, it's best to keep an open mind - especially when we know absolutely nothing about the direction the script will take or what Burton will do with it...
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Thanks for the explanation about August, MB. I like your and Jimbo's idea that maybe the DS movie was August's secret project -- it makes me feel better to think that maybe the script has been worked on all along instead of the whole project being in limbo like we've been led to believe. I hope we do get an official announcement at the Fest of actual developments moving forward -- woo hoo! LOL!
The Shads Forums -- *shudder*[nerv]! LOL!
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This type of information leak actually seems pretty typical to me. As (I think) I've mentioned in the past, the filmmakers and studios are not always forthcoming about where things stand regarding a film, especially early in development. I don't know if it's outright "tell our secret and you'll die" secrecy, or just that they would prefer to keep things under wraps until they're further along. So many times in Hollywood, things fall through. They have no reason to go out of their way to let the public or the fans know what's going on at an early stage (before the script is done, or a location chosen, or a timeframe for filming is set), because things might very well change anyway. I don't really think there is any advantage to them spilling any beans until such a time as the film is officially announced to start filming. At that point, of course, they'll want to start advertising. On the other hand, little remarks made in passing, like that director did, is a great way to hear little tidbits now and then.
Now that the info has spilled, they might consider making an official statement, just to confirm or correct it. I hope like you all do that there will be something official said at the Fest. However, I wouldn't be too surprised if whatever they were to say would still be vague, for now. I'll be crossing my fingers, though!
Hugh Jackman would seem a great choice for Quentin (if there is one in this film). I've been rooting for Cillian Murphy all this time [ghost_smiley]
Cathy
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Oh, I forgot to answer about Jayne Wisener (who played Johanna in Sweeney Todd). She's a beautiful young woman, but Sweeney Todd was her first professional job, and I believe she was cast because of her singing and not acting. Besides singing one song, she only had maybe a half dozen lines, so it's very hard to tell if she could handle a larger role. Her usual speaking voice is a very thick Irish accent... she was able to sound more or less British for the film, but I don't know if she'd be able to swing an American accent. She has presence, though, and she was very lovely in the interviews she gave.
My guess is they'd use someone with more experience for Vicki, but that's just a guess.
Cathy
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Does anyone know the degree to which Dan Curtis Productions will have say or input into the Depp movie or have the rights been sold?
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to portray Elizabeth Collins Stoddard. Macia Gay Harden would be a good one, but Kathryn Leigh Scott has a more softer tone to her and can be "caustic" in character, when she wants to be.
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Master Tad Collins,
Here is one post that will answer your question, beginning with this 3rd paragraph:
Also, unless things have changed since last year at this time, ...
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While I'm delighted to read that a screenwriter and director are now rumored to be attached to the Depp DS project, I'm still not going to get overly excited for the simple fact that both Depp and Burton already have stuff lined up for themselves. Also, because of the sheer volume of projects that garner attention and then subsequently die for one reason or another, I don't want to get all excited only to have my hopes dashed. Lest I remind anyone of the 04 WB DS Pilot that was practically near completion before it was shut down because the suits didn't like the look of it. Has the WB learned their lesson? Let's hope.
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Lest I remind anyone of the 04 WB DS Pilot that was practically near completion before it was shut down because the suits didn't like the look of it. Has the WB learned their lesson? Let's hope.
Well, television and film are two totally different divisions at WB with totally different people running them (and, of course, the WB network doesn't even exist anymore - and I don't think the people who ran it even work for WB anymore), so what happened with the '04 pilot is probably immaterial so far as the Depp/DS film goes. However, you most certainly make a very good point that just because there's a director, a screenwriter, and a star, that's absolutely no guarantee the film will be made. As I posted earlier in this topic, and you just reiterated, many films die in development hell - even films that are at the exact same point in development that this one is. The film has a long process ahead of it before we can completely breath a sigh of relief that it has been made - and we shouldn't lose sight of that at this early stage. Though at the same time it's still nice to celebrate each hurdle it crosses along the way. [ghost_smiley] There's a happy medium. We should probably still remain at least a bit cautiously optimistic at this point, but we also don't want to be too pessimistic. [ghost_wink]
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I agree with all you say, MB. Things can go wrong at any time along the path of making a film. That said, I feel very optimistic after hearing the tangible possibility of a director and screenwriter. And Johnny is at a stage of his career right now where he has some amount of clout to get things accomplished. Every tidbit is good news! What I'm not so optimistic about is how *quickly* it may come about. While they might surprise us by putting the film on the fast track (and hey, it happened with Sweeney Todd), I'm thinking a 3-5 year timeframe is not going to be out of the question. So, if it does take some time to get to the actual filming, it doesn't necessarily mean we should lose hope!
I would also imagine that even if there are no official ties between what's left of DCP and the film, that Johnny and Tim (and August) would want to get input from that side if possible. Stephen Sondheim had no official say in the Sweeney Todd film, but yet they *wanted* his input and approval; same was true with Roald Dahl's widow and family for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I wish I knew a way to get in touch with Johnny-- I'd volunteer to be a DS fan consultant [ghost_tongue2] [ghost_wink]
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I would also imagine that even if there are no official ties between what's left of DCP and the film, that Johnny and Tim (and August) would want to get input from that side if possible.
As the former president of DCP, that might be David Kennedy's role. Though it wouldn't surprise me in the least if Jim Pierson is connected to the film in some capacity because somehow he always seems to show up in the credits. Though if so, with so many heavyweights involved in the top echelon o the project, it would be anyone's guess how much input he could actually have...
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Don't ever underestimate Jim Pierson's resourcefullness to have his name placed somewhere. jk Actually he is certainly the man to critique the script. Just not sure if Jim would want a great deviation from the original storyline that DC seemed to want to protect through the years. John August's version may be a real surprise to all of us.
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John August's version may be a real surprise to all of us.
I hope so - and in a good way. [ghost_wink] We've seen the same ole, same ole ad nauseum already. It's definitely time for some fresh twists and turns. My worst nightmare would be that John August really is just "patching up" the original hoDS script! [yikes]
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Hey MB don't give August any ideas. jk He may be reading this board. I have a good feeling he will find a very creative way to introduce the characters. I assume they will keep Robert Colbert's themes-hope he is scoring the film.
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dose anyone have a opion on what childstar should play david
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Don't ever underestimate Jim Pierson's resourcefullness to have his name placed somewhere. jk Actually he is certainly the man to critique the script.
I think that's a safe bet, jimbo, considering Pierson's ties to Producer David Kennedy. And this is from the article "Johnny Depp to Portray the Angst-Ridden Vampire Barnabas Collins?" at http://mpimedia.com/wp/?p=19 --
Producer Jim Pierson of Dan Curtis Productions and MPI Media Group will serve as a consultant on the project.
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Hi Midnite. Thanks for that link. It's only fitting that Jim Pierson will be consulting with the producers of this film. Jim, as we know, is a DS historian and of course wears other DS related hats. Thanks again.
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It's only fitting that Jim Pierson will be consulting with the producers of this film.
Actually, I don't envy the position that being a consultant on the film puts him. You've already expressed a doubt that many in fandom would share that Pierson might not want to deviate too much from the storyline that DC always seemed to want to do - and if the finished film adheres too much to that storyline, Pierson will get the lion's share of the blame because fans will just assume he fought for it. Whereas, if the finished film breaks new ground and goes into new directions, even if Pierson suggested many of those directions, he'll get little to no credit because fans will in all likelihood simply assume that the new participants like August, Burton and Depp brought their own fresh perspectives. :-\
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Well, television and film are two totally different divisions at WB with totally different people running them (and, of course, the WB network doesn't even exist anymore - and I don't think the people who ran it even work for WB anymore), so what happened with the '04 pilot is probably immaterial so far as the Depp/DS film goes.
I did'nt know the WB Network is not around anymore. Who knows, if they accepted the '04 pilot, they might
still be around today.
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The WB merged with UPN to become the CW network back in '06. [ghost_wink]
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So the old WB merged with UPN two years ago to become CW? No wonder WWE Smackdown is
looking for another network. [ghost_embarrassed]
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WWE Smackdown will be on MyNetworkTV - they were the only network that was interested.
But getting back on topic, this person seems to think that a Burton/August collaboration will be a good fit for the Depp/DS film: The Cynical Optimist 06/05/08 (http://www.moviehole.net/20080606_the_cynical_optimist_060508.html). He actually goes so far as to say that he has a feeling the film will be one of their "best collaborations." Let's hope so.
Also, he's not the only one to wonder if Danny Elfman, who's a longtime Burton collaborator, might score the film - so perhaps we should get used to the idea that, apart from maybe the main theme, the music for the film may not be Robert Cobert compositions...
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It might be the "best collaborations" between Depp, Burton and August. But I'm hoping the new
DS movie will be gothic and I am also hoping Burton will not make into another Sweeney Todd, Edward
Scissorhands and Nightmare Before Christmas look-a-like.
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dose anyone have a opion on what childstar should play david
I thought the kid actor from the 2004 DS pilot was very good. But that was over almost 4 years ago. I think the pool of actors that can play David is pretty big.
http://www.barnabasundead.com/shadowscast.htm
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I don't know how many of you feel about the '04 DS show that never made it. For me the pictures that I have seen of the stars, I was pretty disappointed in the casting area with many of the characters that were chosen. I think that they should have been chosen to look sort of similar to the originals. It might have worked for someone that has never seen the original DS but for the fans of the original show I thought in my opinion that the cast sucked.
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I don't know how many of you feel about the '04 DS show that never made it. For me the pictures that I have seen of the stars, I was pretty disappointed in the casting area with many of the characters that were chosen. I think that they should have been chosen to look sort of similar to the originals. It might have worked for someone that has never seen the original DS but for the fans of the original show I thought in my opinion that the cast sucked.
I can't speak for the casting, since I have only seen photos (and Blair Brown is the only cast member whose work I know), but I've read the teleplay and was very impressed with it. Of course only those of you who actually saw the (sort-of) finished product at one the DS Fests can speak to the execution of that script.
Brian
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The 2004 DS pilot was heavily discussed here as you can imagine. You will find most if not all all of your answers at the WB 2004 Pilot topic thread when you do a search with that title. If the 2004 pilot made it to series, I don't think Depp would have had a chance to see his life long dream come true. Strange how things work out. The faster the DS movie is filmed the faster we could see the HODS and NODS on DVD and have the NODS fully restored.
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You're quite right, but I was hoping for the release of those DVDs next month at the DS fest as rumored. I hope.
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I see that on John August's IMDB page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041864/) there's a link to one of the many articles saying he's writing the script, but no one has added the Depp/DS film to his credits.
And on that same sort of subject, a June 2nd article at BeyondHollywood.com (Tim Burton Directing Depp in Dark Shadows? (http://www.beyondhollywood.com/tim-burton-directing-depp-in-dark-shadows/)) wondered if WB might have rushed to issue a denial (as they did not that long ago when incorrect casting info was "leaked" regarding Spider-Man 4) because Peter Segal's info was wrong? Well, if WB are considering it, they're taking their sweet time - which is unlike them - and which would seem to lend credence to everything Segal let slip.
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Foolish me for not noticing this one - the National Enquirer is reporting the story: JOHNNY DEPP DARK SHADOWS (http://www.nationalenquirer.com/tim_burton_to_direct_johnny_depp_dark_shadows/celebrity/64937). So, it HAS to be true because they're never wrong. The National Enquirer and the New York Post (which has also reported it) are my entertainment bibles. ... Yeah, right!! ::) [lghy]
But getting back to seriousness, the article Burton And Depp Re-Vamp Dark Shadows (http://www.screamindemon.com/2008/06/02/burton-and-depp-re-vamp-dark-shadows/) on screamindemon.com claims "both the writer and director have been officially confirmed" - though they don't offer the slightest hint of by whom, which is hardly a professional way to make the claim. :-\
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how dare you question the credibility of the National Enquirer MB? [ghost_angry]
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I think that Danny Elfman will probably end up scoring the film, just because of the quad that he, Depp, Bonham-Cart and Burton usually make up when a film is being made. Elfman is usually Burton's go-to guy for music. But, I think it would do a great disservice, not to mention piss off many fans, if Elfman did not use the influence of Cobert's music underlaid on his new compositions. He shouldn't change the original theme--that's as timeless a piece of music as any I've heard--but if you own the DS Music Collection, you know well that there are many different ways that the theme can be played, especially beyond the four or five samples in the music collection. It would be a nice nod to the fans if Elfman created his own compositions, but for "true" fans of DS like us, we could pick out some of the original notes or something.
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Oh good... the National Enquirer has reported the story... my mind is now at ease [ghost_rolleyes] [ghost_wink] I suspect that the "official confirmation" is simply the IESB report that everyone has been citing. But I agree that if it hasn't been denied by WB by now, that it's probably true.
Speaking of Danny Elfman, though I love his work, I cringed a little at first at the prospect of him possibly being involved in DS, because somehow, I thought his music might be too fantasy-like to suit DS. However, by pure coincidence, I was watching a film called A Simple Plan today (great film, by the way) and was surprised to see that Elfman did the score. The music was really great- serious and haunting yet beautiful- and reminded me that his range of styles is probably much wider than I recall from the familiar Burton films. I love Brandon's idea of him possibly jumping off from Colbert's themes. Well, I guess we'll first have to see if he'll even be involved! But you're right that I think there are only 2 times when a Burton film didn't have Danny's involvement: Ed Wood and Sweeney Todd (and the latter, of course, was already composed by Sondheim).
Cathy
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yes alexander gould he,s on weeds now on showtime dose a good job and if they film soon is still young enough to play david. david henesy did a great job as david don,t recall him ever fubing his lines he was a better actor then some of the adults.
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Actually, I don't envy the position that being a consultant on the film puts him. You've already expressed a doubt that many in fandom would share that Pierson might not want to deviate too much from the storyline that DC always seemed to want to do - and if the finished film adheres too much to that storyline, Pierson will get the lion's share of the blame because fans will just assume he fought for it. Whereas, if the finished film breaks new ground and goes into new directions, even if Pierson suggested many of those directions, he'll get little to no credit because fans will in all likelihood simply assume that the new participants like August, Burton and Depp brought their own fresh perspectives. :-\
That is a good question MB. I hate to bring up the WB 2004 pilot but it seemed that producer Dan Curtis had absolutely no input on how the filmed pilot turned out. For example, it was alleged that director Hogan did not film scenes that were in the script and took liberties with the characters like Elizabeth making her a bubbly air head when the writer did not intend her character to act that way or so it appeared. Pierson could review the script, make some adjustments but clearly the director has final say and its what his interpretation of the script that seem to count the most. Pierson is in a no win scenario but I do hope they accept his input. On her another note I am beyond thrilled that the Enquirer confirmed the discussed leaked information as well as the NY Post. All we need now is the NY Daily News to get on board.
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Oh good... the National Enquirer has reported the story... my mind is now at ease [ghost_rolleyes] [ghost_wink]
Yes, I'm sure we're all breathing a sigh of relief now that they've reported it! [ghost_cheesy]
I suspect that the "official confirmation" is simply the IESB report that everyone has been citing.
Actually, and it's probably my fault for not quoting the entire sentence from the article, but what screamindemon.com said was, "While both the writer and director have been officially confirmed outside of the interview [meaning IESB's interview with Peter Segal], Depps starring role hasnt been", which certainly implies they received confirmation from some source other than IESB/Peter Segal - but they don't say or even hint who - which doesn't exactly make their claim as credible as they would probably like, even if it is true. Throwing it out there without citing anyone at all is worse that citing "unnamed sources." ::)
Speaking of Danny Elfman, though I love his work, I cringed a little at first at the prospect of him possibly being involved in DS, because somehow, I thought his music might be too fantasy-like to suit DS. However, by pure coincidence, I was watching a film called A Simple Plan today (great film, by the way) and was surprised to see that Elfman did the score. The music was really great- serious and haunting yet beautiful- and reminded me that his range of styles is probably much wider than I recall from the familiar Burton films.
I've probably seen several things that Elfman has scored, but I never watched them with DS in mind. If he signs on to do the Depp/DS film, I suppose I might revisit some of his films with an ear to DS.
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I am beyond thrilled that the Enquirer confirmed the discussed leaked information
If only the Enquirer had published their story before screamindemon.com had put up theirs, I would have certainly assumed that screamindemon.com had been referring to the Enquirer as the source that had "officially confirmed" the news "outside of the interview." [ghost_cheesy]
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Oh my MB now that would really be scary. The N.Y. Times lists Johnny Depp as Barnabas Collins. Wonder who they checked with to confirm this "fact". I mean the Times can never be wrong.
http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/451864/Dark-Shadows/details
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The Wikipedia article for the movie says that WB has officially confirmed it, and they provide no sources to back it up. But hey, it's Wikipedia, so it must be true! [ghost_rolleyes]
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The N.Y. Times lists Johnny Depp as Barnabas Collins. Wonder who they checked with to confirm this "fact".
Well, at least in the case of Depp playing Barnabas, there are several past interviews with Depp that they could cite as well as some of the remarks he's made since the project was announced last July. But it's definitely true that since the announcement nothing has come out that said with 100% authority that Depp will indeed play Barnabas in the film. At least nothing that anyone here on the forum has seen because we would have certainly posted about it - or anything that the vast majority of the people posting all the recent reports have seen because, if they bring up the subject, they all say it hasn't been confirmed...
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All of these "confirmations" posted by our cousins here and yet no real official confirmation. Variety and the Hollywoodreporter have been very silent about these latest unconfirmed DS movie developments. When the movie was first announced back in July'07, ShadowGram out-scooped Variety and provided us with that information before Variety posted its article. Hopefully the same may happen in the near future. But as has been discussed here that may not happen this time.
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The more time that passes the more virtually certain I become that nothing will appear in the trades or SG until after TPTB make their presentation at the Fest. If TPTB wanted to confirm the news, they've already had plenty of time to do so since the news broke online early on Monday.
And as for SG scooping Variety, yes, it's true they scooped the print edition of Daily Variety, maybe even their Web site - but not Variety's news wire. [ghost_wink]
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The more time that passes the more virtually certain I become that nothing will appear in the trades or SG until after TPTB make their presentation at the Fest.
Is there a possibility there will be press there covering the presentation eager to get the scoop? Woo hoo! LOL!
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This article brings up an intriguing possibility - that Burton might shoot the film in B&W (like he did with Ed Wood): TIM BURTON DIRECTING A GOTHIC DRAMA? GET OUT! (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dark_shadows_the_best_of_dark_shadows/news/1733731/)
What do we think of that idea?
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I think it would be cool. The show always did seem a bit spookier in black and white anyway, and doing the movie that way would give it that gothic, eerie quality the black and white episodes had.
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Interesting possibility, MB. I had suggested that on another DS Forum, and I mentioned it to DLA75 also. But I thought that, if the movie were to include a 1795 flashback, Burton might go the Wizard of Oz route and shoot the scenes from the past in color and the scenes in the present in B&W.
I'm also wondering if the "present" will be now (2000s) or sometime in the 1960s/70s, the same time that Barnabas first appeared on the series. Personally, I think a "vintage" setting would be more fun. We wouldn't have to bother with pesky cell phones or the Internet, and the movie would be more similar to the show. :)
ProfStokes
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Wow, ProfStokes! Ingenious Intellect, indeed! That Wizard of Oz take is brilliant! [thumb]
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Yeah I was wondering if the movie is going to be B&W. But I think it will be okay.
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While I think that filming the movie in B&W might be good for it, I don't think it would be a good idea as far as attracting an audience. While we, as devoted DS fans, would already appreciate it before we see the film, general audiences wouldn't get the atmosphere that black and white would add, and I'm sure it would be highly publicized that the film is black and white, especially in a world where everything has eye-catching special effects. That media coverage would certainly, IMO, kill the chance for bringing in new fans.
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I couldn't agree more. B & W was great for horror movies in my day, that's why the classic Night of the Living Dead was purposely filmed in B & W and so was Young Frankenstein and even a few other non horror films for that special effect. This new generation wouldn't be turned on by B & W. They want glorious High Def color with all the computerized special effects that can be squeezed into a two hour film.
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While I do think that shooting in B&W could possibly add to the movie stylistically, I'm afraid I have to agree with Brandon - and I would even go so far as to say that shooting in B&W could kill any chances of the movie launching a franchise. The sad fact is that movies shot in B&W often severely limit themselves because there's a whole chunk of the audience (more specifically many people born in the '70s and beyond) who refuse to watch anything shot in B&W because they think it's too old fashioned to it's just plain dull, and they stay away in droves. Just look at almost any of the grosses for any of the films that have been shot in B&W since the mid-'80s (Schindler's List being one of the few exceptions (mostly because it appealed to an older audience) - Burton/Depp's own Ed Wood being the norm (a pathetic $5.8 million despite being critically hailed)). If the movie was strictly planned as a one time thing, and they were simply going for style over boxoffice (which major studios like WB rarely if ever do these days), B&W could be a viable alternative. But I strongly suspect that everyone involved is hoping for a possible franchise - and franchises need big boxoffice to get off the ground - and that means targeting the age range that seems to most support movies:12-25 year olds (and maybe 26-35 year olds) - and that will in all probability require that the film be shot in color. Quite simply, while our dollars will certainly be accepted, we original fans (meaning those of us who watched the daytime DS in the '60s and '70s) are not really a target audience for the movie...
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Yes, unfortunately, it's all too true that a majority of viewers today won't watch anything in black and white and I think that's sad because there are a great many gems in B&W that I happen to like and I was born in the mid 70's. I think most of today's audiences are too spoiled by all the CGI effects, bloodgore and sexfests that are constantly thrown out in movie screens nowadays.
I have nothing against CGI, I don't even mind some bloodshed or a bit of nudity now and then, but I have a special fondness for movies with heart and great acting...plenty of the old classics have those.
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In my opinion there is no way that this movie will be filmed in black and white. I think as other posters indicated, WB expects this movie to be a big hit with several possible sequels. Young people want MTV- like splashy, colored themes. Artistically b&w would work for us fans but I can't see younger audiences dropping $11 on a black and white movie. Speaking of sequels I wonder what John August has in mind to end the movie. I assume he will have an open type ending. I also wonder what the budget will be for this movie. If the 2004 45 minute pilot cost six million dollars I can't even begin to think how much this movie will cost with Depp's and Burton's salary and not even considering the CGI effects, entire cast, location shots , interior shots plus marketing etc......
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This article in December, 07, August had stated at his website that he was working on a secret Tim Burton live action movie project and he himself could not divulge its name. Was it DS?
http://www.timburtoncollective.com/2007/12/john-august-hinting-at-unknown-future.html
Apparently we're not the only ones speculating the Depp/DS film was most probably the project August was referring to in his blog because, since you posted this last week, I've come across several reports about Burton and August's involvement that are doing the exact same thing. Interestingly, though, August's posting on his blog was earlier than we originally thought because he made it back on November 27th (http://johnaugust.com/archives/2007/frankenweenie). That, of course, means he's been attached even longer - though that still doesn't change the fact that he couldn't have begun working on the script until after the writers' strike ended on February 12th.
(August's blog posting also shows that you can't always believe what you read on the IMDB - but then, we already knew that. ::))
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That is interesting. It's possible that the script is further along than we thought. Although August was unable to start writing the script until February 12, 2008 this gave him enough time to really think about the storylines in his mind. Although IMDB updated the DS 2010 site naming Burton as its director it still does not name John August as its writer.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
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Although August was unable to start writing the script until February 12, 2008 this gave him enough time to really think about the storylines in his mind.
Oh, I don't know - would even thinking about the script have been in violation of the strike? [b003] I'm envisioning every union writer having had to wipe out of their heads even the slightest thought about what they were working on before the strike or were about to be working on. And if a thought did indeed pop into their heads, I'm then envisioning a scenario right out of AA where that writer had to quickly phone a colleague to confess and that colleague would then have had to force the writer to think about something/anything else. [lghy]
Seriously, though - I do wonder if ideally no one was suppose to even think about any of their work? It would be interesting to read what the strike's bylaws were and if they were that restrictive. Though, of course, no one could actually prove that any writers had "illegal" thoughts during the strike so long as nothing was actually written down regarding them...
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Seriously, though - I do wonder if ideally no one was suppose to even think about any of their work? It would be interesting to read what the strike's bylaws were and if they were that restrictive. Though, of course, no one could actually prove that any writers had "illegal" thoughts during the strike so long as nothing was actually written down regarding them...
I would have to guess that writers are just as human as we are. jk I really don't know what the bylaws and the ethical obligations were during the strike. I would have to guess that TPTB gave some plot line ideas to August in order for him to write a script. We will never know exactly what the timeline was when the script was discussed. I am encouraged by the fact that he has been working on the script possibly at least from February 12, 2008. The IMDB page for the DS 2010 indicates that the status of the movie as "in production" However, my limited understanding of the movie world is that the DS movie is not yet at the pre-production phase. Is this an error? Doesn't WB have to first greenlight this movie or has it done so already?
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I film in B&W with Johnny Depp? It has a chance because of his drawing power IMO. I say go for it. I believe that although the target audience may be a little younger, they will take into consideraton female fans. Female audiences are getting to be a very important demographic.
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I would have to guess that TPTB gave some plot line ideas to August in order for him to write a script. We will never know exactly what the timeline was when the script was discussed.
Not necessarily - that could be explained as part of the Fest presentation. [ghost_wink]
The IMDB page for the DS 2010 indicates that the status of the movie as "in production"
I wouldn't necessarily put too much stock in the info on the IMDB because we have no idea who's adding it or how reliable a person they are. Just look at how wrong the listing about John August working on Burton's Frankenweenie was. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Is it not possible that depp has moved ds ahead of some of his other projects and its going to move faster then any of us though.
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If the 2004 45 minute pilot cost six million dollars I can't even begin to think how much this movie will cost with Depp's and Burton's salary and not even considering the CGI effects, entire cast, location shots , interior shots plus marketing etc......
I'm betting that this film will have the modest budget range of probably $40 to $60 million. (Or less).
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That may be a fair estimation. Having his own production team producing the movie, I guess Depp's salary would be lower than normal. I am still going with 60-80 million budget. I just think WB will go all out for this movie.
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It might all depend on how much CGI they plan on using because CGI can really ratchet up a budget.
Personally, I don't believe the film should really require all that much CGI to get the story across. But then, I'm not 12-25 years old...
As for things like Burton's and Depp's salaries, I have no idea what their practices tend to be, but some directors and stars will completely forgo a salary in lieu of a percentage of the gross, particularly when/if they're working on projects that are close to their hearts, which this film would certainly seem to be in at least Depp's case.
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The new DS movie should be a block buster because even people that have never heard of the greatest television show in American history will flock to see this movie because of Johnny Depp who is a huge box office draw. [ghost_tongue2]
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The person who wrote this report even provides visual aids to prove his point that he can think of no one better than Depp to play Barnabas. Check out:
A Fool's Utopia 06.12.08: Summer Time
This week in one man's utopia ... Johnny Depp's next project... (http://www.411mania.com/movies/columns/77718)
(Scroll to about a third of the way down the page.)
It's frightening to think that Barnabas could look like almost any one of them! And not frightening in good way. [lghy] (Though it's too bad he didn't also include Depp's look for his role as a transvestite prostitute in Before Night Falls. [b003])
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The person who wrote this report even provides visual aids to prove his point that he can think of no one better than Depp to play Barnabas.
That's so amusing!
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Here's an example of one of the reports that are also speculating that the Tim Burton project John August was hinting about last November was the Depp/DS film: Burton + Depp + August = "Dark Shadows"? (http://www.timburtoncollective.com/labels/dark%20shadows.html) But what's actually most interesting about this one from The Tim Burton Collective is that they also mention that even if Burton is attached as director, that doesn't necessarily mean that he will direct, and why that *could* be.
I'm still on the fence as far as Burton directing goes, so I'm not sure if I feel like rooting for him to direct or not to direct...
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I've read one of the worse remakes Burton directed is "Planet of The Apes". I just hope he doesn't add
the new DS movie into the list of worst remakes.
I've checked Moviefone and it said the Burton's "9" will be release in 2009 and "Alice In Wonderland" will be
release in 2010. It did'nt mentioned a word about the DS movie.
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I've read one of the worse remakes Burton directed is "Planet of The Apes". I just hope he doesn't add
the new DS movie into the list of worst remakes.
Burton's Planet of the Apes was a decent financial success (a bit over $180 million - though the studio was hoping for more), but it was savaged by many critics, primarily over its script, and primarily over the script's lack of character development. However, one thing it did get was praise for its striking visuals. I've never seen it, but I noticed that Fox will be running it on June 20th at 8pm. If I'm not doing anything else that night, I might tune in just out of curiosity...
Thankfully John August was in no way involved with the PotA script. [ghost_smiley] And if the script really was as bad as the critics claimed, hopefully none of the people involved in writing it will ever get involved in the Depp/DS film.
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This (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Movie-News/Dream-Jeannie-Movie/800041392) is definitely OT, BUT it's a perfect example of how movies, and in particular adaptations of TV shows can go through years of development and script rewrites.
(And apparently there's no word yet on just who might play First Officer. [b003])
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I was never a big Planet of the Apes fan, but I'll be in the minority and say I liked Burton's film and the performances in it (especially Bonham-Carter's) - I just didn't care for the twist in the ending.
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I thought I had doubts about Tim Burton's possible participation in the Depp/DS film, but mine are nothing compared to this guy's: Well... there goes my interest in that (http://paracinemamag.blogspot.com/2008/06/well-there-goes-my-interest-in-that.html)
Though considering that we now know that Burton hasn't officially signed on yet, just perhaps his rant is all for naught...
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I saw Burton's version of Planet of the Apes on TV. I didn't dislike it; I'm really not sure how I felt about it. To me, it seemed that the main problem was that he wasn't sure in what way he wanted to go with it. Pierre Boulle's original novel (literally translated from French as "Monkey Planet") had the simians living in a pretty-much 20th century technological world, driving cars, going to work, tossing laundry into the clothes washer, etc., with humans being mute animals (save for the astronaut who crashes onto their world). The first screenplay, scripted by Rod Serling for the original film version starring Charlton Heston (don't forget to look for his cameo appearance in Burton's version), followed Boulle's concept of a modern-day simian world (a fascinating screen test with Edward G. Robinson as Dr. Zaius shows this), but for several reasons this was dropped and in its place came the more primitive ape world; most of Boulle's plot had been discarded with only certain characters remaining; yet, the story remained intriguing and logical. Burton's often appears confusing and jumbled basically because of the interactions of apes and humans. Humans are not mute animals; for the most part they are intelligent, articulate, social creatures who are, while viewed as inferior, are more like slaves to the ruling apes than just mere animals. Somehow, this whole concept just didn't really click.
I'm not sure what this has all got to do with any possible vision Burton might have for Dark Shadows, but I'm hoping that Depp will keep a close eye on what will be going on and make sure he reigns in anything he might think is going askew and doesn't let Burton's DS become Burton's POTA.
Gerard
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He obviously doesn't like Burton much, period. He doesn't have doubts, he just dismisses a Burton DS movie outright, and whether it's mediocre or absolutely fabulous, he probably wouldn't like it because it would be Burton's work.
I don't agree with his views on Depp/Burton team ups at all. Not when movies like Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd exist. [ghost_cool]
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Regarding the blogger mentioned above, I doubt that he gets many visitors.
Regarding Shadowgram 184, it seems kind of ironic that the Johnny Depp role as Barnabas is indicated to be more definitive than the media's position that Burton is more confirmed as director than Depp as Barnabas. Easy for you to say. jk Based on this issue the script is not yet completed and hopefully more news about the movie will be released at the Fest which is actually right around the corner.
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Thanks for the link to that blog, but I think this guy is ridiculous. He obviously hates all of Burton's movies, and he has the right to that opinion. But he's crazy if he thinks Johnny's career is being hampered by his association with Tim. I guess Michael Mann didn't get the memo when he cast Johnny in Public Enemies, which I'm hoping is going to be a huge success! As I've said, I initially had some reservations about Tim directing Dark Shadows, but only because I wasn't sure if he would give the right tone to the film. I am somewhat more confident now after Sweeney Todd. But in general, I can't see that the Depp-Burton collaborations have failed in any way!
What I find amusing is that the blogger points to all of Johnny's "mature" work and yet doesn't say a word about Captain Jack Sparrow [ghost_wink]
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I don't mean to change the subject, but I'm wondering if the movie is going to show the characters
using cell phones and you might see a home computer inside of Collinwood. That is if the story is going
to take place in the present 21st Century (2010 or 11).
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I tend to like Burton's movies well enough, but now and again, he really puts out a stinker -- PLANET OF THE APES coming foremost to mind. Unmitigated crap, other than the visual effects. I'm still leery of him helming a DS movie, though, as even his better efforts aren't known for the subtle hand I think would work best for DS. And I can't help but foresee way too much CGI for my liking. Judgment must be reserved, however; can't criticize something that's barely hit the drawing board.
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Thanks, MB, for that link! That magazine looks fascinating.
I always wonder if "staple holes" along the lines of those poor Maggie Evans had to endure in hoDS appear in the neck of somebody out in H'wood who's been "attached" to a project. We live in perilous times!
G.
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I can't really see much CGI being put into the DS movie. Where would it even be appropriate other than maybe Barnabas changing from human form to bat form and other types of supernatural effects that might have to do with ghosts or even Angelique and whatever spells she might conjure up. Realisticly, if the film is done right, the film shouldn't really rely on these effects too much anyway, because DS was always more drama than effects.
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I don't mean to change the subject, but I'm wondering if the movie is going to show the characters
using cell phones and you might see a home computer inside of Collinwood. That is if the story is going
to take place in the present 21st Century (2010 or 11).
That's an interesting question. I would imagine that an average amount of technology would be shown for present storylines, but I do hope they won't go overboard to make Collinwood or even Collinsport *too* high tech. One of the things I appreciated about the short 1995 storyline is that they didn't try to make everything look futuristic. It just showed that even 25 years into the future, small towns don't change that much, and I like that traditional feel to DS.
As for the CGI, I think I recall Tim Burton saying that the green screen gives him a headache [ghost_wink] He does use some CGI but I think he prides himself on keeping it to the minimum. Where possible, he likes to build sets that are as real and complete as possible so that the actors can respond to the real environment they're in and not fake everything in front of a green screen. Of course, as mentioned, there would probably have to be some CGI-- morphing, ghosts stepping out of portraits, or what have you.
Cathy
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I'm wondering if the movie is going to show the characters
using cell phones and you might see a home computer inside of Collinwood. That is if the story is going
to take place in the present 21st Century (2010 or 11).
heaven's forbid. It should be in the 60s. NO CELL PHONES OR COMPUTERS IN COLLINWOOD. (although, can you imagine Julia Hoffman (Grayson) fiddling with her blackberry when she doesn't have her gloves!)
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I don't mean to change the subject, but I'm wondering if the movie is going to show the characters
using cell phones and you might see a home computer inside of Collinwood. That is if the story is going
to take place in the present 21st Century (2010 or 11).
In the 2004 pilot one of the major characters attempted to use her cellular phone but that was not at Collinwood. I can't at the moment remember if any other modern devices were used in the pilot. But in any event we don't know what direction this movie script will take.
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If they do a movie in the modern time period, I fully expect it to take place in the current time frame and not the 60s.
But personally, I think Barnabas's origins is more likely for a starting point.
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How about this: We start in 200x, with our perennially sort-of-youthful Barnabas. An issue comes up that requires a trip to 1967 when Barnabas first was unchained. Naturally, from 1967 we end up going back to 1795 when Barnabas was cursed. And maybe we make a brief stop for souvenirs in 1897 on our way back to 200x. The movie should come in at just under 90 minutes, wouldn't you say?
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heaven's forbid. It should be in the 60s. NO CELL PHONES OR COMPUTERS IN COLLINWOOD.
Even if the story takes place in the present, I hope the movie will be film around the New England States and
not too much inside a studio in hollywood. I'm also hoping inside of Collinwood will be a gothic style mansion and
alot of antique furniture.
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I would be fine with some of the storyline taking place in the 2000's, but Lydia's time stops would work perfectly for me, too!
If Burton does direct, for what it's worth, he has for years made most if not all of his movies in a studio (Pinewood) in London. To my knowledge, Sleepy Hollow, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Sweeney Todd were all filmed there; I don't know about Big Fish. However, the New England setting is so important for DS that I wonder if he would indeed shoot it on location or try to recreate it in a studio. For what it's worth also, before Sweeney Todd, Burton was set to direct (and produce?) Jim Carrey in a film about Ripley's Believe It Or Not, which I think would've involved going on location, so at least Burton wouldn't necessarily ALWAYS film in a studio. But then again, that film hasn't gotten made. But anyway, it's just a thought that the studio seems to be Burton's preference these days...
Cathy
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Precisely why he often uses mostly British casts. Or, actually, maybe not, as Big Fish was shot in Alabama and we had Albert Finney and Ewan McGregor.
Burton probably filmed Big Fish in Alabama because the project was originally going to be done by Steven Spielberg. I do hope that he actually films in New England and not on a sound stage or in on location in a foreign country. They used New York for HoDS, right? And though NY isn't in New England, it's pretty close. And he can't claim that it'd be impossible to get the right atmosphere there, as HoDS had quite a lot of that.
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Get Smart earned almost 40 million dollars this weekend. Glad remakes are not dead. Wonder if WB took further notice that it has another developmental remake project in the wings.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=46213
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I think I'd prefer a modern day version of Dark Shadows but keeping in the tradition of a good old New England family with a whole lot of skeletons in their closets. However they decide to make it, a major motion picture good or bad can only bring attention to the original and best Dark Shadows there is. Maybe the publicity will be enough to bring the show back on to tv on a regular basis. God knows Chiller needs a new lineup.
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Hope this is not an old article as it was dated "yesterday" from another linked website. Nothing real new but I like the Barnabas comparison photo.
http://www.retrothing.com/2008/06/dark-shadows-ha.html
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I like the Barnabas comparison photo.
I like the caption, too: It's like looking in a mirror - wait, vampires can't do that!
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I like the caption, too: It's like looking in a mirror - wait, vampires can't do that!
Hi Midnite. Perhaps only on our beloved show can vampires appear in a mirror, unintentionally of course. lol
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I remember seeing the "portrait" with Johnny's face superimposed last year, though not as a side-by-side comparison with Frid-- that's very cool. I also have not seen the article yet, so thanks jimbo! True it doesn't really have anything new to say, but I always love to see another mention!
Regarding the mirror, this is a little off the topic of the movie per se, but one of my all-time favorite lines of the entire series was when Angelique was scolding Barnabas about something or other, and she said to him, "What do you see when you look in the mirror? Oh, I forgot... you see NOTHING." Bwahahahaha [ghost_wink] Okay, maybe this is related to the film after all, because it would be a very cool line for them to include in the script, if possible!
Cathy
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Madscntst that was indeed a classic line on so many levels. I don't know how Lara kept her composure when she uttered that line without going into a laughing hysteria-now that was great acting especially on a live show.
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Love love love that pic of Johnny Depp as Barnabas!! Thanks for posting the link, jimbo! [ghost_smiley]
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By the way, just in case anyone is interested, the original photo of Johnny is a well-known one by the great Annie Leibovitz- it was used for the cover of Vanity Fair, among others:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/photographers/leibovitz%20annie/covers/1997vanfairleib.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/photographers/leibovitz%20annie/covers/1997vanfairleib.jpg)
The photo was taken in 1996, but darned if he has barely aged a day. Maybe he really *is* a vampire [ghost_wink]
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I like the photo. I'd like to see the collar turned up a little more and Depp given a little darker look around his eyes. He's going to make an amazing Barnabas!
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I am not sure where I saw it, maybe I just dreamed it. But I could have sworn that I had seen a photo of Johnny Depp as Barnabas with our old Barnabas' hair style. Has anyone else come across this photo? [ghost_undecided]
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I've seen that photo too, JS, but unfortunately I didn't take note of what site it was on. [ghost_sad] You might try checking out the links in this topic because it could be one of them. But if not, try googling something like "Depp Dark Shadows". Dozens of sites will come up, and it'll require a lot of trial and error, but you'll probably find the photo - at least eventually. [ghost_cheesy]
One site I did take note of was this one featuring Depp with fangs: Johnny Depp the next `Dark Shadows` vampire? (http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?aid=385287&archisec=ENT&archisubsec=1)
(BTW, the previous link to this article in reply #12 no longer works because the article has now been archived.)
And I still haven't quite gotten over the title of this one: Johnny Depp to Wear His Own Clothes in Dark Shadows Movie (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2007/07/johnny_depp_to_wear_his_own_cl.html) [ghost_wink] But like Barnabas would be going around Collinsport dressed like that? Not! [ghost_rolleyes] [ghost_grin]
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johnny depp to wear his OWN Clothes in film? really? i thought he was going to go stark naked. which i don't know about you buut i don't want to see that. the ladies MIGHT well they prolly wouldn't mind. hehe buut i don't want to see that. good title though. & anyways what is the status of the film anyways? the D.S. Journal hasn't updated his site since last august! which is RARE For him he doesn't normally go THIS Long without updating it. soo i haven't heard anything SINCE they announced last year that they were going to make it. i didn't even KNOW That they had pics of him already in make-up! IF you look on the IMBD the film isn't even on his list of films he's planning on doing. at LEAST NOT yet.
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It just struck me that perhaps we should go back to the notion from the '04 pilot days that Barnabas could be dressed like this ([b003]):
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/ballad.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/down.jpg)
Check out this topic for the original context:
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I could have sworn that I had seen a photo of Johnny Depp as Barnabas with our old Barnabas' hair style.
This is probably not the photo you're thinking of (it's not the one I was thinking of), but thanks to just rereading the entire topic that I linked to above, I rediscovered that Stuart Manning had posted a picture of Depp with "Barnabas hair" here on the forum (he'd created it for collinwood.net):
And I know - it IS shocking that I forgot something that had been posted on the forum. But hey, I'm only human, so I can only recall 99.99% of what's been posted. [b003]
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Thanks, I believe that was the photo. [ghost_grin]
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Very brief acknowledgement of David Kennedy and Depp's Dark Shadows.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988578.html?categoryId=13&cs=1
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Well, hopefully this is good news:
AFTRA Ratifies New Deal
Union approves new contract, thwarting SAG's campaign and making strike more unlikely (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Sag-Strike-Watch/800042865)
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Or maybe not:
Producers: SAG's Rejection of Final Offer "Puts Labor Peace at Risk" (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Actors-Strike-News/800043004)
Though at least at this point it still seems unlikely that there will be an actors' strike, so SAG's continued wranglings shouldn't delay progress of the Depp/DS film
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That is great news indeed. I was beginning to get concerned about that. [ghost_wub] We sure don't need any hold ups. We've been waiting too long now already. [ghost_sad]
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AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [ghost_wink]
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I am just throwing this out there.... Dark Shadows' movie writer John August posted this at his . com website today. He may be referring to DS or he may not be. I hear that producers typically ask for revisions so there is no shock here. You can read the whole article at www.johnaugust.com
"Coincidentally, Im going through the same thing right now on a project Im writing. Ill be spending three days doing revisions Im pretty sure wont work, but thats the best way to demonstrate to everyone why they wont work. The silver lining is that the process of doing these failed revisions may inadvertently create some good material that will be helpful in other parts of the script."
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August has also been working on the script for Billy Batson and the Legend of Shazam, so he could be referring to that one. But even if he is referring to the Depp/DS script, that's not necessarily a bad thing. If fact, if it is DS, he indicates that it's quite likely it's the producers (as Tim Burton is supposedly not officially on board yet) who are asking for the rewrites, so if it's David Kennedy, Graham King, or Depp, or any combination thereof who's asking for changes, that would be a good thing because it would mean they're doing their jobs. And as August himself says, the rewriting process may "create some good material that will be helpful in other parts of the script" - and that can never be a bad thing. I would actually be more concerned if those three producers (but especially Depp) aren't injecting their input into the script's writing process. And considering some of the other scripts that August has been responsible for, I might actually be inclined to think the producers (though especially Depp) would be more likely to get the script right than August might. But that might just be me because, quite frankly, I think the scripts for both Charlie's Angels movies were awful...
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Yes it could very well not be the DS script he was referring to. The last online Shadowgram indicated that it was still being written. I also agree that if he was referring to the DS script, that its a good sign that the producers are showing a great deal of interest in attempting to improve the script. That being said it is interesting that August's position on producer's asking for rewrites, that he knows it won't work and that it is his intention on proving them wrong. Perhaps that comment is taken out of context.
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Under different circumstances, I would probably agree with August. I would certainly agree with him when it came to some of the changes DC imposed on the DS writers. (Though at least once in a while the writers won the argument (for example, making Barnabas a sympathetic vampire rather than all-out evil) and the show was much better for it.) It's just that in this particular circumstance my perceptions are reversed due to fears based on the characteristics of the scripts August has come up with in the past. Though that could be a totally unfair perception given that the same man who produced the awful Charlie's Angels scripts was also capable of producing a wonderful script for The Nines.
I suppose only time and a bit more info than a few remarks in a blog will tell...
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Did they do the panel (at the fest) on the new DS movie. I would like to hear what hey had to say
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me too. & also the actors strike is well bullshit. i was just reading an article on johnny depp & it didn't mention DS though. someone just asked IF he was still living in paris. & i guess he isn't anymore. he's i think in L.A. now with his family anyways.furthermore it went on to say that he lives in a mansion. my point? well
my point is simply this folks. IF you are living in a mansion for example like depp is. & no i have proof that he was even involved in this stupid actors strike. anyways my point is simply this, if you are living in a mansion or a house that NONE of us on this board can EVER afford let alone
rent one to live in. why go on strike? it's just plain stupid ya know? the writers is a bit more understandable ya know? anyways i've had my 2 cents in folks. he he anyways, as for the film charlies's angles the first one did suck. & the 2nd one was a tad better. NOT much but a tad.
i got it for x-mas & i don't think i've watched it since i got the dvd of it back in what (2003)? buut anyays i HOPE it is DS he's working on though. & making the script better of course. NOT worse as it can sometimes happen.
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I am not too familiar with the specifics of the actors' strike, and I agree that from what little I've heard, it seems most of the opinion is that the SAG is being too bullheaded and not willing to compromise. That said, Johnny Depp has been in one of the most successful movie franchises ever, and he can certainly afford to live in mansion(s) (he does have the house in LA but still has a house in the south of France as well as an island in the Bahamas, and divides his time among them), but his financial success is certainly not indicative of all actors; I'm sure there are many out there who struggle for a living. I'm not saying that this strike would be right, but just that I believe there is a good reason for their unions. Further, I have read nothing that Johnny is supporting the strike. I am not sure about this, but I think the possibility of a strike is hurting him more than helping, because from what little I've heard, the fate of Shantaram, possibly the next movie Johnny will film (and produce), is currently on pause waiting to see how things shake out. I'm sure it would be much better to have firm plans made. And if Shantaram gets made, it's more likely that the way will be paved for DS. I just hope, as I'm sure we all do, that the whole bloody mess will be resolved soon.
Cathy
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I was at the fest and sorry I didn't go to the segment about the new movie. So I too am very interested in hearing what was said! They did show the 2004 "40 minute" plot. Personally I enjoyed seeing it again but it is very modernized. For those totally stuck in the past, exclusively loyal to the series and not into the graphic horror, you may not like it. [wink2]
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Considering that there haven't been any posts concerning the details of the Depp/DS Fest panel, I'm taking that to mean that there wasn't much if any new information imparted and it was basically info that those of us following the progress online already knew.
Well, at least some of the fans who don't read/partake of the various online message boards and lists are now up to speed. But I was hoping for a bit more info, like maybe a hint as to what sort of direction the script might take (i.e. a present day story involving Barn's release, or possibly a period story dealing with Barn being cursed). Given that the script is being worked on, surely they at least know that. But alas...
Although, I suppose I shouldn't be at all surprised by the lack of new details because, well, that's basically par for the course for the Fests. [ghost_sad] I guess we'll just have to learn to be extremely patient.
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nothing earth shattering was said. all of what they said we already knew.
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ok 1stly io was just using Depp as an example i haven't heard him say he was for the strike or against it. i only mentioned him cause he is as you can tell mentioned QUITE a few times in this thread for obvious reasons. & i'm sure there are some actors & actresses who actually aren't as as succesfull as Depp. take the actors from "Grey's Anotomy" or however ya spell that? the actor who plays George lives in an apartment. & NOT nothing fancy from what i have read. & he's a succesful actor on a hit tv show. & no i haven't really heard IF he was for the strike either. but than to be honest i really haven't been paying much attention to it either way ya know? & as for the DS film
on the IMDB all i see on that is that it comes out in (2010) which prolly is something that EVERYONE here already knows. but my point is they FINALLY added it to their list of Depp's films! bout time too IF i do say so myself ya know? anyways, that's a shame NOTHING NEW was said about the film. i myself have yet to see the (2004) version which is EXTREMLY hard to believe THAT it's been THAT long ya know?
anyways, that's my 2 cents for the time being., hehe
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I wish they would sell the 2004 version on DVD. I have heard good and bad things about it. I bet they would make a killing. Some people would want it as a DS collector, but most our of curiosity!!
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Considering that there haven't been any posts concerning the details of the Depp/DS Fest panel, I'm taking that to mean that there wasn't much if any new information imparted and it was basically info that those of us following the progress online already knew.
What panel? lol It was just Jim Pierson standing alone at the podium. All he said was that the script was in the process of being written and that when it is nailed down and approved, casting would then start; Jim said to ignore the casting rumors that are out there as there have been no formal discussions with anyone. He did admit that informal discussions may be happening with some actors but that he has not heard anything about that; he did say that the movie was definitely going to happen-that this is not just one of those deals that you hear about that a studio bought the rights from someone to film a movie; that he expects the movie to be released within two years; that the dvd release of the 2 DS movies were directly tied into the movie's release and said that he hoped by this time next year the dvds will be released; that there was hope by WB that the movie would lead into a DS movie franchise; the "panel" lasted about 5 minutes.
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I would love a Franchise myself. Johnny Depp is 46 and still looks AMAZING, so I don't think the age thing matters. The man looks like he is about 35 to me. I would like nothing less than at least a trilogy! How lovely that would be.
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the "panel" lasted about 5 minutes.
Considering that we wondered how in the world they were going to fill 30 minutes with what was already known, that doesn't surprise me in the least. What is a bit surprising, though, is that he didn't at least mention that John August is writing the script. [ghost_huh]
Jim said to ignore the casting rumors that are out there as there have been no formal discussions with anyone.
Um, what casting rumors? The only casting discussions that would seem to be going on are the ones on DS message boards and lists, and those are all pure speculations. Anyone would be pretty foolish to lend credence to any of them as it's all just fans having fun among themselves. Well, unless there's some fool out there claiming to have inside info, and, sadly, I can't say it would actually surprise me in the slightest if something like that might be happening in one certain place that shall remain nameless [ghost_sad] - but certainly not on any of the legitimate message boards and lists...
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MB I can't say for sure that he did not mention August's name. The hotel's sound system was not at its best and I was near the back. I am trying to remember most of what he said. JP started talking in very general terms which was very disappointing but not surprising. It wasn't until he allowed a couple of questions from the audience that he opened up a bit. Perhaps someone else can provide more specifics but the bottom line is that he did not provide any additional specific information from what we already knew. As for the actors rumors he was not specific and just recommended that we ignore casting rumors in the media.
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jimbo, thanks for elaborating. "Um, what casting rumors?" was my first reaction, too! I haven't seen any yet in the media (other than Johnny for Barnabas), but I imagine it will start to happen if the film gets reported in the media more often. Now I want to know which sites have the "inside information" [ghost_cheesy] Nah, just kidding, I tend to be skeptical of such sites and their agendas- I can wait for the real reports.
BTW Johnny's only 45 (born June 9, 1963)- I know that makes a huge difference [ghost_wink] The guy has always been incredibly youthful looking. That said, I can't help but hope that there might be an aging sequence in the film- I think he'd have a hoot playing a 150 year-old man!
Cathy
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Forgot to ask, did Pierson happen to mention what his role is (if any) in this film?
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What jimbo said. Nothing was announced that hasn't already appeared here.
I did hear that John August is writing the script, though we don't know any specifics about the story and therefore fans should ignore plot rumors. Yet he provided reassurance that the key elements of DS will be there, such as the Gothic romance. He (Pierson) personally felt that having Vicki be Josette's reincarnation in the '91 series worked very well.
Wow, that man can ramble. I hope his role won't be as the movie's official spokesperson. [ghost_wink]
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YAY! I am glad the thought th VICTORIA/JOSETTE thing is the right way to go :) HEE!!
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...he did say that the movie was definitely going to happen-that this is not just one of those deals that you hear about * that a studio bought the rights from someone to film a movie; that he expects the movie to be released within two years; that the dvd release of the 2 DS movies were directly tied into the movie's release and said that he hoped by this time next year the dvds will be released; that there was hope by WB that the movie would lead into a DS movie franchise...
*emphasis mine
Sounds great, I hope he's right.
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Here's an update on Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland: http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-wasikowskaaliceinwonderlandcasting,0,6635930.story According to the article, this movie goes into production in November, and then he'll still have to do Frankenweenie.
ProfStokes
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IF Burton is going to direct, I have no idea how we're going to see, as Jim Pierson claims, a Depp/DS film released within the next two years. As I've said before, it already seems as if Burton's current commitments are enough if not more than enough of a workload to keep him very busy for two years. But I suppose we'll see how things pan out...
Thanks, ProfStokes, for posting a link to another Burton update.
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[ghost_cheesy] 'That man can ramble'. I like your response Midnite! All of the fests that I've attended and ever had to ask Mr Pierson anything, I always got the most abbreviated, cost-saving answer. For some reason there always seems to be a great hesitancy to impart any information. [ghost_azn]
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IF Burton is going to direct, I have no idea how we're going to see, as Jim Pierson claims, a Depp/DS film released within the next two years. As I've said before, it already seems as if Burton's current commitments are enough if not more than enough of a workload to keep him very busy for two years. But I suppose we'll see how things pan out...
Well if it takes longer than 2 years than at least we know JOHNNY DEEP will still be smokin', unless perhaps he falls apart all of the sudden. The man is ageless at this point. He looks like a perfectly perserved 35 year old IMO.
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yes he is aging well i HOPE i can as good as he is. when i'm his age i mean. 2 yrs? that's too LONG buut what can ya do ya know? i'd rather have burton Finish Alice in wonderland than do "DS" forget "Frankenweenie" that's a film he already made ya know? why remake it? it's stupid. personally i've NEVER seen it buut i can remember it coming on VHS back in the day. & i also LOVED 'Midnight's" response boy can THAT man ramble. he he CLASSIC! & i can at times do that as well, but than don't we all? [ghost_tongue2]
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Well, the first anniversary of the announcement of this project has come and gone without much progress being made. We can certainly blame the writers' strike for much of that - but let's hope not many more anniversaries pass before we get to see a finished film...
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Happy Anniversary DEEP SHADOWS :) Yep the stupid writers strike!! I can't be too mad though without GOOD writers your show/movie is crap not matter how dazzling the FX's are!! So here's to hoping Johnny and Co get it right!!!
Tae
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IF Burton is going to direct, I have no idea how we're going to see, as Jim Pierson claims, a Depp/DS film released within the next two years. As I've said before, it already seems as if Burton's current commitments are enough if not more than enough of a workload to keep him very busy for two years. But I suppose we'll see how things pan out...
Are you saying that JP is once again being his overly optimistic self? lol And yes Midnite the rambler has it down to a science.This article by the distinguished The Sun j/k claims that filming for Alice begins next year and that Depp will star in it. So who really knows anything at this point?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/bizarre/article1476667.ece
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In the Depp world, we have heard rumblings of Johnny possibly being in Alice In Wonderland, but it has not been reported officially. Like you, jimbo, I am errrrrrrrrr, a little skeptical about this Sun report, because it doesn't name any names giving an official statement. Nevertheless, the Sun article seems to have been picked up by a lot of other gossip publications today. But as I said, we've heard previous rumblings so this could be true. Whether or not Johnny will be in it, it's definite that Tim will be tied up with it for awhile either way. However, I heard fairly recently that the filming is due to start this November, so I don't know if the Sun is correct in stating that filming will start next year.
Also today, I saw part of an interview with a representative of Infinitum Nihil, Johnny's production company. Dark Shadows is briefly mentioned, and unfortunately the guy is laughing at DS's production values, but I don't know if he realized how short a time they had to prepare to get the show on EVERY DAY, and how they could usually not do retakes. Anyhow, it was nice to see the mention from an actual member of IN. The other interesting thing about the interview is that he mentions a few films in the pipeline, including Shantaram, which most of us think will be Johnny's next film to shoot. But when asked which films he'll star in, the rep says probably only Rex Mundi (which is another graphic novel in the pipeline). Neglecting to include Shantaram for Johnny to star in could just be an oversight (even though he had just mentioned that film), but it's possible that due to all the delays for that film, he may have bowed out of starring in that one without us knowing. That'd be news to us, but may ease his filming schedule a bit, because that was going to be a long shoot, with some filming taking place in India and Morocco. So, I guess we'll have to see about all of this, and I fear that there will be no concrete news until after the SAG/actors' strike situation is totally resolved.
Oh, almost forgot the link to the interview- it's with Jeff Taplin of Infinitum Nihil:
http://www.theblackhollywoodfiles.com/2008/07/part-deux-of-my-interview-with.html (http://www.theblackhollywoodfiles.com/2008/07/part-deux-of-my-interview-with.html)
Cathy
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Hi cousin madscntst. I don't know if The Sun is known for its reliable news reporting. I enjoyed the article you posted. Nice catch. My interpretation is that the Infinitum Nihil representative was clear when he said that Johnny would only be doing Rex Mundi for them. Again that is just how I interpreted his words. If JD does not film Shantarum then perhaps the DS movie may be pushed up a bit although as we know there are many other factors that may impact on its filming. Regarding the Alice movie it was previously reported that principal photography will begin this November. I don't know if the Sun is referring to the live action shots to be filmed next year. I don't really know the movie process and how much time normally elapses between the principal photography and the live action filming. Maybe we can have another new DS movie panel with JP to find out less information. Bad joke.
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Oh I forgot to mention that it was disappointing that Jeff took a shot at the original DS. Hopefully he was joking but still it wasn't in his best interest to devalue the franchise he is helping resurrect.
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My interpretation is that the Infinitum Nihil representative was clear when he said that Johnny would only be doing Rex Mundi for them. Again that is just how I interpreted his words.
That's how I interpreted his words, too! It's just that before this, to my knowledge there hasn't even been an inkling that he might not star in Shantaram, so I am still wondering if somehow I'm understanding the IN guy wrong (or if his words might've been transcribed wrong). I guess we'll find out sooner or later!
As to the dig at the DS production values, I didn't interpret that in a mean-spirited way- he almost seemed to be saying that the boom mics in the shot and the wobbly sets (maybe he saw some of those scenes with the tombstones shaking back and forth [ghost_wink] ) were part of the show's charm. And heck, this is a lot of why *we* like the show too- I love the bloopers tapes and all the fun stories from the cast! Still, it might've been nice if he'd also added something about the tight schedule and tighter budget, and what they were able to accomplish with what they had. But oh well, it was only a small part of the interview so I guess they can't talk about everything!
As to JP, well, I have been out of the loop in recent years but remember the guy from the 90's and the 2 fests I attended back then. Sounds like the same ol' fellow [ghost_smiley]
Cathy
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I didn't take his comment offensive at all. I think it's hard to determine someone emotion behind their words through print anyhow. That is why I think sometimes people take things wrong on Forums etc. They can't hear you saying it they just read it.
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Sorry for the double post. I just got my issue of ROLLING STONE with the JONAS BROTHER'S on the cover. The middle one is hot and I can say that cause he is legal. LOL Anyhoo..the hotness got me off track. ON page 32 of the TOP TENLIST @ 1 is the vampires. It talks about Tru Blood and Twillight. It also mentions our beloved show quote ...."Tim Burton is reportedly adapting TV's Dark Shadows , with Johnny Depp rumored to star" and then it goes on to talk about the other vampires shows, books etc. Nothing big...but any press is good press IMO!!
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Sorry for the double post.
While we certainly appreciate the sentiment, you don't really have to apologize every time you follow up one of your own posts with a new one - especaiilly after so many hours have passed between them. [ghost_wink]
I just got my issue of ROLLING STONE with the JONAS BROTHER'S on the cover. The middle one is hot and I can say that cause he is legal. LOL
Their appeal totally escapes me. But then, I'm not a 12-year-old girl. I'd at least understand it if they were great musicians/singers, but they're just passable. And any discussion beyond that will take us way OT, so I'll leave it at that.
ON page 32 of the TOP TENLIST @ 1 is the vampires. It talks about Tru Blood and Twillight. It also mentions our beloved show quote ...."Tim Burton is reportedly adapting TV's Dark Shadows , with Johnny Depp rumored to star" and then it goes on to talk about the other vampires shows, books etc. Nothing big...but any press is good press IMO!!
Very true. [ghost_happy] Though they might be misstating the situation considering that supposedly Burton isn't even involved at the moment. It's Depp's Infinitum-Nihil and Graham King's GK Films who are adapting the show along with Warner Brothers. But, of course, it's so much simpler to rely on Internet reports (even when they're stated as rumors) than to check what info really is confirmed at this point, now isn't it? [ghost_rolleyes]
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People tell me all the time I apologize for silly things. It's a part of issues I have and I think an abusive boyfriend set it off in me--but that is nothing to discuss here. It's something I constantly have to work on not saying "I'm sorry" unless it's necessary. A Character flaw I guess?
Also I HATE the Jonas Brothers music EWW. I was referring to a one the members who I think is sexy! The music is horrid!!!
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As this article points we should be wary of internet rumors in this case Depp being in TB's Alice movie and briefly mentions DS.
http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/depp_in_wonderland_is_it_true
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Another Depp casting rumor-a Batman character
http://www.movieweb.com/news/07/30307.php
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I hope he doesn't take on another movie. That is just gonna push DS back further. And he ain't getting any younger!! He is aging nicely don't get me wrong. I just would love to DS as a franchise.
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I hope he doesn't take on another movie. That is just gonna push DS back further. And he ain't getting any younger!! He is aging nicely don't get me wrong. I just would love to DS as a franchise.
Taeylor I know what you are saying. After the DS movie is filmed hopefully by the end of 2009, it does seem unlikely Depp will find the time to do another DS movie. But then again WB does want a DS movie franchise. I guess first things first.
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Even if Depp is going to do the DS, Batman and Alice In Wonderland movies, he will be very busy.
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Did anyone else catch this on the news Thursday? I was only half paying attention when I heard the announcer giving some entertainment briefs. He said something like "Johnny Depp may be teaming up once again with his frequent collaborator, Tim Burton." Oh, YEAH, I thought. Here it comes! The official revelation of the director of the new Dark Shadows film! The announcer went on to say "It is rumored that Depp will be playing a familiar character in a remake of an oft-told story." COME ON, I thought! The announcer continued: "Though not official, Depp may be playing the Mad Hatter in Burton's upcoming Alice in Wonderland remake." HUH? WTH? What about DS?!!!
The curse of Dark Shadows continues! [ghost_wacko]
SDP
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I tried to reply last night, but was having connection problems and I think my post got eaten up :) Well, I don't think there is any real credibility behind the Batman rumor. It's not impossible, but so far, that rumor has only been on the worst gossip sites such as Contact Music. I'm not even totally sure about the Mad Hatter rumor, but at least that one seems more logical. By the way, there's another one floating around- rocker Tommy Lee also wants Johnny to play him in a biopic [ghost_cheesy] If you follow the Depp rumors for awhile you'll realize there are probably at least a dozen silly rumors a year, in addition to the more solid ones.
Cathy
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ITS hard to get excited about something that,s going at a snails pace ,sorry to snails that i just insulted you. something that will not be seen for 2 years at the earlys. when do you think casting will begin. i hope im still alive when this thing comes out.
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I can so remember all those rumors about Robin Williams playing the Riddler in the sequel to Burton's first Batman movie.
Me, I'm waiting for official announcements from the actual people involved. Meanwhile, I'll speculate on who might make a good cast member, in what part, how the 'take' on the story impacts that, etc. But I won't even vaguely imagine that I'm necessarily right.
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Did anyone else catch this on the news Thursday? I was only half paying attention when I heard the announcer giving some entertainment briefs. He said something like "Johnny Depp may be teaming up once again with his frequent collaborator, Tim Burton." Oh, YEAH, I thought. Here it comes! The official revelation of the director of the new Dark Shadows film! The announcer went on to say "It is rumored that Depp will be playing a familiar character in a remake of an oft-told story." COME ON, I thought! The announcer continued: "Though not official, Depp may be playing the Mad Hatter in Burton's upcoming Alice in Wonderland remake." HUH? WTH? What about DS?!!!
It's very frustrating whenever the news, which is supposed to deal with facts, picks up on rumors and decides to report them rather than facts - and that goes for all manner of subjects, not just DS. But that's the state of so-called "news" these days. ::)
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Just out of curiosity, what was the Top 10 about? And it surprises me to hear that the Jonas Brothers were on the cover of Rolling Stone; it just doesn't seem like the kind of magazine that would have... them. Bleh! I also feel that Twilight shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as our beloved show, but that'd also go pretty OT.
I'm being perfectly honest when I say that I'm not really excited for the movie. Of course, I care about it; I don't want DS treated like I've heard the 2004 show did. But I personally just have a hard time working up much enthusiasm for it.
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It appears from this article that filming for the Alice movie will start in September. (at least a scene will be filmed in September)
http://www.timburtoncollective.com/tbcnews.html
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From Tim Burton Collective News:
>>websites across the Internet still can't stop yammering about a rumor that Johnny Depp will be playing the Mad Hatter, despite the fact that there is no official or credible source to take account for this claim.<<
And this should surprise anyone because? [hdscrt] Sharing and/or promoting anything from completely unsubstantiated rumors to outright lies is what the Internet all too often does best. ::)
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Another site that's jumped on the Depp as Mad Hatter bandwagon and which also mentions how Depp is reportedly likely to play Barnabas in "Tim Burton's movie version of Dark Shadows." [sad3]
Weekly Ketchup: Plans For Venom, Marvin The Martian, X-Files, And More (http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_files_2/news/1745805/weekly_ketchup_plans_for_venom_marvin_the_martian_x_files_and_more)
(Scroll down to "#7 JOHNNY DEPP AND TIM BURTON MAKING A MOVIE TOGETHER? NO WAY!")
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So exactly when is this Dark Shadows movie going to be filmed especially in light of the Director of the Don Quixote movie saying that Depp will film his movie by next summer?
http://www.flixster.com/news/2008/08/04/johnny-depps-don-quixote-film-is-back-on
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No one knows, jimbo.
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Retzev I know you know. Joking. It is just mind boggling that JD has so many movies to film. I was hoping that DS would have been filmed before the DQ movie and that he believed DS was more of a priority for him. We will just have to wait and see and hope and pray...........
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Hold the phone. We only know that Depp is going to play Barnabas. Who's to say that the movie may not be out for years and years, and that he'll, in fact, be playing Old Barnabas?
I am, of course, kidding.
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That is very true GooberCollins. There will always be a part in the movie for Depp to play in the event he takes his sweet time. j/k
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Hate to throw a mack truck full of ice cubes on the optimistic, but I have to agree with those who are thinking this project may take a long time,based on the way things are done in that business. Let me add a concrete example I am familiar with -- the latest Indiana Jones movie.
Back in the early 90s I published an Indiana Jones letterzine (for those not familiar, letterzines were made up of letters from subscribers, discussing issues as we now do on line). I remember VERY clearly that within I think 2-3 years of Last Crusade and during the ABC run of The Young Indiana Jones Chroniclesannouncements and news leaks were out about the 4th movie. There was even a finished script that Ford had signed of on. [snake]
And what year was it this movie was finally released?!?! [yikes] [8341] [8311]
Bottom line with this new movie is that scripts take a LONG time to write and have everyone agree to -- and to even start the script you need a story concept. As we've discussed here, there are many places to start and many ways to tell the story -- so I'm betting there will be multiple scripts before we even have to WORRY about production dates. [5323]
Jeannie
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Meh, as I've said before, as long as HoDS and the restored version of NoDS hit DVD soon, I'm fine. The entirety of Dark Shadows (by which I mean the original show; the revival's just a novelty, in my book), along with the two movies and a wealth of special features will be available on standard DVD, just in time for the advent of Blu-ray!
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When it comes to Depp's projects, it seems as if almost anything can happen. Roles are announced, they seem to be on the fast track, but then, like Shantaram, they sometimes get sidetracked and others crop out in their places. And if we can go by what Jim Pierson said at the Fest, the DS script is in early development. IF the Depp/DS film was to begin production by the first quarter or so of 2010, it could easily be ready for release by fall/winter (which is more the time of year when I'd hope it would come out because I see DS as a fall film, not a summer film). The possibility that Depp may start to film The Man Who Killed Don Quixote before the summer of 2009 probably shouldn't affect DS at all. The thing that could really hold it up, though, is IF Tim Burton is indeed going to direct because his schedule is far most complicated than Depp's.
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It's true MB that almost anything can happen at this point. We really don't know too much about what is happening with the movie project. In fact if it were not for Get Smart's director Peter Segal leaking the news about DS' writer and director, who really knows how much information Jim Pierson was going to provide at the Fest or allow Shadowgram to print? We could use another leakage. I am still hoping for filming to start in 2009 or as soon as possible. The sooner the movie is released the sooner the House and Night of DS are released on DVD and the restoration of NODS greenlighted.
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Earlier production dates don't necessarily result in earlier release dates. Studios tend to in part plan their release schedules based on the types of movies they have in the wings and some types of movies are best released at certain times during the year, which is why we tend to see big action/escapist films in the summer and more serious fare in the fall. (There are even times where studios tend to release the movies that they have less confidence in - but let's not go there with regard to the Depp/DS film.) If Warners were to indeed decide that the Depp/DS film is the type of film that would do best with a fall release, it really wouldn't matter if it was to go into production in, say, July '09 or January '10 because in all probability it wouldn't be ready for release in fall '09 if it only began production in July, so both start times would most probably result in a fall '10 release. Also, studios tend to plan releases around which films the other studios have coming out as well as what other films a particular star has coming out. For example, if another studio announces that their film with Depp will be coming out on Friday, November 26, 2010, Warners would want to release the DS film at least a few weeks before that date or a few weeks after so that two Depp films aren't in direct competition with one another. (Actually, Friday, October 30, 2010 might be an ideal release date to capitalize on Halloween. Are you paying attention, Warners? [ghost_cheesy] Though, of course, that would completely depend on whether or the not the film can be completed by that date, which at this point is still a bit uncertain because everything is still up in the air so much. [ghost_sad])
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Hmmm - I just read where Johnny Depp won a Teen Choice Award as Choice Movie Villain for Sweeney Todd. Apparently his appeal is not only with adults but teen and tween girls (even though ST was rated R and by rights the girls in that age (who comprise the vast majority of votes for the Teen Choice Awards) shouldn't have even seen the film (well, at least not without a parent or guardian). That could bode quite well for the Depp/DS film.
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We could use another leakage.
Speak for yourself my friend [a0d0]
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Apparently his appeal is not only with adults but teen and tween girls
Now, that's an understatement! [ghost_grin] Yes, there are LOTS of teens/tweens on the Depp message boards, and many of them convinced their parents to take them to Sweeney Todd. If the families were into Sondheim/musicals, it was a pretty easy sell. Realize also that even if they couldn't see the movie, they could've voted for Johnny anyway.
About The Man Who Killed Don Quixote, Gilliam does seem pretty sure about filming starting before summer. But bear in mind that he's been trying to get this movie restarted for 8 years. He *always* sounds confident that it's about to start filming. In fact, he blamed the Pirates sequels for taking Johnny's time away from filming Quixote; never mind that he didn't yet have the rights back to make the film. The latest article also implies that Gilliam intends to rewrite the script, but doesn't make it sound like that's completed yet. All to say, the man tends to blow hot air sometimes. That said, Johnny is on record as saying "I'm in, as soon as Terry says the word."
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Realize also that even if they couldn't see the movie, they could've voted for Johnny anyway.
You mean to say people lie in polls and vote on issues they actually know nothing about? I'm shocked - shocked, I tell you!! [wow]
[ghost_grin] (Although, we shouldn't joke about it because it's hardly a laughing matter in a lot of cases.)
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But how do you feel about the gambling going on in Rick's Cafe? <g,d,r>
Jeannie
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Yet another report that Depp will be doing Alice in Wonderland with Burton: Silver Screen Musings (http://www.news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080806/GCLIVE03/308060024/1075)
(Scroll down almost to the bottom to 9th the item.)
One thing that's most fascinating about this one, though, is that it presents Depp's role as the Mad Hatter as pretty much fact when, as the Tim Burton Collective has pointed out, no official or credible source has ever confirmed it as such, yet it treats the notion that Depp will play Barnabas in the DS film as rumor when that at least has a lot more credible info around to back it up. [ghost_huh] The report also says that the Alice and DS films will both be released in 2010. A release date of March 5, 2010 has at least been indicated for Alice, but perhaps they're consulting their crystal ball for DS because there's still no word from any completely reliable source as to when it will actually be released (or even when it will go into production). (But then, there's very little info at all that comes from completely reliable sources.) Though, of course, lack of reliable info rarely seems to prevent many of these sites from grabbing onto a story and running with it if competing sites are already running with it because one assumes that the thing that would be even worse for them than getting the story wrong would be for them to look like somehow they've been left out of the loop...
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Oh yeah, they'd much rather report something incorrect than nothing at all. And then later they can always report a correction, and get twice the attention [ghost_wink]
This isn't relevant to DS, but this sort of thing goes on all the time regarding Johnny in general-- for instance, marriage rumors and house-hunting rumors crop up every couple of months. Goes with the territory :)
Anyway, Entertainment Weekly is reporting that the Mad Hatter rumor is "confirmed" by a "very well-informed source."
http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/08/johnny-depp.html (http://hollywoodinsider.ew.com/2008/08/johnny-depp.html)
At least EW is a step or two more reliable than Contact Music, but it's still no Variety announcement. Since they'll be starting to film soon, I'm guessing that an announcement would have to come pretty soon.
I still wish there would just be some kind of official status report on DS, even if they only said that it's still in the early planning stages.
Cathy
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Ah, so the part in Wonderland will all be stop-animation. Well, that would probably mean that if Depp is indeed playing the Mad Hatter, he'll merely be providing his voice to the role as he did with Corpse Bride, and if so that would mean he wouldn't need to spend all that much time on the project so it would be very easy for him to fit it into his schedule.
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It seems this writer is not too fond of the return of the vampire genre-apparently from a Rolling Stone magazine article-mentions DS movie briefly
Column: Vampires wedge back into pop culture (http://www.insidenova.com/isn/entertainment/columnists/article/column_vampires_wedge_back_into_pop_culture/19453/)
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I agree that it seems the world has gone far too vamp-crazy. I don't watch the "vampire" shows that I love (and I do mean love; I consider BtVS my favorite TV show ever) because of the vampires. I watch DS not because Barnabas is a vampire, but because he is but one of a large cast of compelling, (mostly) well-written characters. The same with Buffy; I watch these shows for their quality of writing. I have read a lot of vampire fiction (and yes, Twilight, at least in my opinion, is as bad as that editor says; in fact, some of my attempts to get people interested in Buffy have failed because they adore Twilight so much and are unwilling to try anything else. I have a couple of other vampire fiction nitpicks that I won't mention because I know that one of them was quite popular on here), and nothing has been able to draw me in like Buffy and DS. I've read the first two Anne Rice books, as well; they're very good books, but not really my thing (of course, it's been a couple years since I read them, so a re-reading may be in order; I've started looking at fiction very differently in those two years).
What I'm trying to reach here is that I do think that a lot of people will go crazy for any vampire story, regardless of whether it's good or not. But the editor is quite right in pointing out that there is good fiction dealing with vampires available.
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Me, I like vampire stories. That doesn't mean I'm indiscriminate about them. I really wanted to like Moonlight for example, but the whole thing was just too saccharine. The premise is a perfectly good one--guilt-ridden vampire with a human love interest, seeking redemption from his personal darkness. But whereas Barnabas had murdered/enslaved family and friends, Nick Knight had gone around killing people for 700 years, Angel was trying to live down almost two centuries of deliberately artistic sadism, this guy was "dealing" with not telling everyone he was a vampire for several decades (but he'd never killed anyone for their blood, or tortured an enemy, etc.). Bleh. So his inner darkness consists of not telling people a very personal secret--a secret he actually does spill to someone in the first three episodes or so?
But there as some good vampire flicks/shows on the horizon. Saw an early screening of True Blood (which premiers in September on HBO) and it looks very good (the producer also did Six Feet Under). I quite enjoyed 30 Days of Night, although I missed knowing more about the vampires themselves.
Plus there's this rumor Tim Burton is going to direct Johnny Depp as a nosferatu. Maybe you heard? [ghost_tongue2]
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Really? Well Good Lord how many movies is he gonna make before Shadows?
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I read last year or a few years ago that vampires were a thing of the past and were on the way out as far as storytelling goes, because there were so many vampire stories out there that the market was heavily weighed down and becoming too populated. But it seems like that article was wrong because with the upcropping of vampire tinged things here lately, it seems like vamps are still in style. I mean, you have Twilight (which I just read and thought it was pretty good, though the fourth book is getting horrible reviews), True Blood, the new DS remake, Buffy and Angel comics, Moonlight (which was cancelled, but it was still a vampire show), and shows like Supernatural that have featured vampires.
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Me, I like vampire stories. That doesn't mean I'm indiscriminate about them.
Same here. I just find it annoying when people consider something 800% better if it has vamps in it.
I really wanted to like Moonlight
And there's the pet peeve I wasn't going to mention unless someone else brought it up.
Plus there's this rumor Tim Burton is going to direct Johnny Depp as a nosferatu. Maybe you heard? [ghost_tongue2]
What movie is that? It sounds like it might be good. [ghost_tongue2]
Twilight (which I just read and thought it was pretty good, though the fourth book is getting horrible reviews)
Just to clarify, in my earlier post, I meant no offense to anyone who did like Twilight. I just personally didn't enjoy the book. Though I don't consider it good, I don't think it's particularly bad, either; I've just gotten flamed by rabid fans for expressing my opinion of the book on The Nightmare Board that I've mentioned before, which has unfortunately colored my opinion of the books themselves.
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Just a gentle reminder that this is a topic devoted to a discussion about the Depp/DS film's progress and development and the factors surrounding it. Discussing other vampire films (or tv shows or books) in general terms as they might relate to the film is perfectly fine, but please don't get into specific likes or dislikes regarding other vampire incarnations and/or discuss them independent of the Depp/DS film. [ghost_smiley] For this particular topic that's going too OT.
However, anyone who might like to discuss other vampire incarnations and discuss their specifics versus DS' specifics is not only completely free but welcomed to create a topic to do so. [ghost_wink]
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Yes, sorry, attempting to get back on topic now. I've been (far) more than a little stupid with a lot of my posts lately. [ghost_wacko]
I do find it strange how (unless I've missed something) neither Burton nor Depp has confirmed or denied that they're working on the movie.
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Hey we all make mistakes Goober! We all need reminders from time to time and that is why we have our fantabulous Mods~~ Midnite and MB. [cheerleader] It would be really be nice to get a conformation about when Shadows will be worked into Johnny D's schedule. I for one am terribly impatient and since I haven't seen the 2004 pilot I need a new DS "FIX". But the original Shadows & 1991 Shadows Dvd's and HODS and NODS will tide me over 'cause they are ALL just as glorious as any new movie will be. I support DS in all incarnations....Past, Present, Future and of course Parallel Time![ghost_wink] I will now march over to the addict post.... [ghost_embarrassed]
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I do wonder what DS is like in Parallel Time. XP It was probably a Latin American telenovela. But I'm going OT again.
It just seems that Depp is appearing in every movie except DS over the next two years, and it's possible that Burton won't do it if he can't get Depp. As long as Burton respects the source material, I'm perfectly happy with him as the director, though.
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Again, there are always a lot of rumors about Johnny appearing in upcoming movies, and only a small fraction will really come true. Of current rumors, my odds for whether they'll happen, at least any time soon (these are only my own feelings and not based on any inside knowledge}:
-Mad Hatter/Alice In Wonderland: 90%. The rumors have been strong even before the recent press; I just have a feeling about this one. But I think this would only be a small role.
-Lindsay/Shantaram: 75%. Someone who claims to be involved in this production has posted to IMDb that Johnny still intends to star in the film. The previous comments by the Infinitum Nihil representative were misquoted or taken out of context. That said, there's still been no news on this film in awhile, but it WAS going to be his next project.
-Barnabas/Dark Shadows: 70%. This is a solid project; it's just a matter of when it might happen.
-Toby/The Man Who Killed Don Quixote: 15%. Terry Gilliam is being optimisitc to think he can get this film together any time soon. Could happen, though.
-Paul Kemp/Rum Diary: 10%. Johnny wants to do this, but I think the film is jinxed, and nearly everyone thinks he's getting too old to play the character
-Riddler/Batman sequel: 5%. Not impossible but I think this one was just made up
-Tommy Lee/Tommy Lee biopic: 0%. Tommy Lee's wishful thinking. No way would this ever happen.
Johnny is not filming now and he has no films coming out this whole year. He is publicity shy as it is, so there aren't likely to be any major interviews until next year, when The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus and Public Enemies come out. So, chances that anyone will be able to quote him about Dark Shadows are pretty sliim right now, unless we're lucky. Tim Burton might be more likely to speak about DS if he gets interviewed about Alice. Remember that regardless of Johnny's itinerary, if Burton is really going to direct, his schedule is going to have to be free, too. And directors often need a larger chunk of time than actors (if they're involved in editing and other post-production).
'Course, it'd be great if the studios or Johnny's publicist could just throw us a bone [ghost_smiley]
Cathy
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Madscntst I think we got kind of spoiled with the media and Shadowgram providing us with what seemed like a daily progress report on the 2004 WB pilot. Things do move much faster on television pilots but it was a pleasure learning who was writing the script, when it was completed, the casting announcements....etc.... The producers of this DS movie are treating the details of this project like it was a top secret military mission. I don't know if it is because nothing is happening which I doubt. I don't think it is outrageous to ask when this filmed may be filmed. You are right that they should throw us a bone here and there. I don't think we will get anything from JP's side of the house. I guess we will have to wait until someone slips up again and that is sad. Regarding Depp, from a DS sellfish point of view, I am hoping that he does not star in Shantaram in the context that it may push back the filming of the DS movie. Hopefully we will perhaps get some news from his representatives as to what his next confirmed projects are.
Regarding that article I recently posted about how the writer believed the vampire genre was dwindling and almost off the radar, well obviously as other cousins posted here, that is far from the present reality.
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Well, as I and other posters and SG warned at the outset when the film was first announced:
...we definitely need to note that this project is still in development. ... And it's going to be a much slower process than the WB pilot, which went from announcement to completion of shooting in less than six months. The process here is likely to be a loooong one - especially when, as Variety reports, Depp already has other projects in the pipeline...
And, of course, the writers' strike didn't help one bit. But I'm not really surprised that news about the film is coming out is small bits and pieces because that tends to be the way things work with most films. Items trickle out until the studio and/or producers decide, usually based on their marketing strategy, that the time is right to release info. Studios and producers tend to really hate premature news leaks because they want the publicity surrounding a film to remain fresh in the potential audience's mind and to build with each announcement so that that audience is really anticipating the release of a film. Is it frustrating to have to wait until they ultimately decide the time is right? It sure is! But we really have no alternative but to be patient. Someone will feed us another morsel or two sooner or later. [ghost_wink]
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Seriously, I'm used to waiting long periods of time for info on upcoming projects. I was waiting for information on a game once. The game was announced in early 2006 and no details beyond the incredibly basic were given until last month.
I am hoping that the film does turn out decently, though. Burton is a good filmmaker, but I'd be a bit worried about what any director was going to do with DS.
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I don't know that it's so much that they're "keeping it secret" (though that could be true, too) as that they simply don't feel obligated to give progress reports about something that is still under development. We already know that John August is writing the script and that as things stand now, Tim Burton is directing. That is pretty good info for now. I would love a hard confirmation from Johnny himself that he will star as Barnabas and that he hopes to bring something cool to the part. But other than that, there's probably not much else to tell at this point. Whatever other preliminary work they may be doing right now- I dunno, scouting locations? Designing costumes? could probably change drastically if they decide to change the script from whatever August is writing right now. All kinds of things might fall through or change completely from the original plans. So, I think it's pretty normal that we're only hearing things in bits and pieces. That said, if we do ever get to hear more, that'd be icing on the cake!
Cathy
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Here is a very encouraging response by TV Guide's Matt Roush to a question posed by a very strange individual named James. lol
http://www.tvguide.com/ask-matt
jimbo
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That Matt is a DS fan is a given. (And that this "James" loves to pose questions to him about DS is more than a given. [ghost_wink]) But I love that Matt says the film has "the opportunity to completely ... reinvent the notion of an erotically charged (I'm hoping) Gothic vampire soap" and that it "has an almost blank canvas to work upon." Hopefully TPTB behind the film are approaching the story with a fresh perspective and are unafraid to make changes rather than trying to get as much of what has gone before into the story with but a few changes here and there. The former approach could make for a fascinating film even though it would most probably irk the segment of fandom who'll often say they want something new but who, when it really comes down to it, will complain about everything that's even slightly different. But one thing we really have to remember is that the film is mostly being made to bring a new audience to DS. So long as the film remains faithful to the spirit of DS and, as Matt opines, "some of the more iconic trappings of the original series are adhered to," the film will indeed be DS even if it turns out to be a somewhat different DS than we're used to seeing.
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That "James" is something else. I guess he is the type of person who wants to keep DS alive in the media. Just guessing of course. But in all seriousness, based on what Matt has said here and what MB mentions, I think we may be incredibly surprised how much the new movie script is going to deviate from let's say the 1991 approach and the WB's pilot. Are we ready to be shocked? I don't see Burton directing nor August writing a story that has been repeated three or four times without a substantial deviation that appeals to today's times.
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I'm looking forward to seeing Depp's/Burton's/August's new take on DS -- I think it should be quite interesting; and with Depp's huge fan base I don't see how this movie can lose!
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-Lindsay/Shantaram: 75%. Someone who claims to be involved in this production has posted to IMDb that Johnny still intends to star in the film. The previous comments by the Infinitum Nihil representative were misquoted or taken out of context. That said, there's still been no news on this film in awhile, but it WAS going to be his next project.
Acording to this interview (Chunkys tired of travelling (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India_Buzz/Chunkys_tired_of_travelling/articleshow/3342548.cms)) with actor Chunky Pandey, who apparently has/had some sort of involvement with the film, Shantaram is "in cold storage." Bad news for Mr. Pandey. But potentially good news for us and the DS film if true.
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Hmmm - this just might be Depp's next movie: Johnny Depps Rex Mundi Has Its Script, Now Looking For Director (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/08/13/johnny-depps-rex-mundi-has-its-script-now-looking-for-director/)
And it's probably worth noting that this report mentions that Depp purchased the rights to Rex Mundi back in '06: Johnny Depp's 'Rex Mundi' Has Script, Needs Director (http://www.cinematical.com/2008/08/14/johnny-depps-rex-mundi-has-script-needs-director/), which just goes to show that the DS film is basically on the same track time wise so far as development of its script might go (though supposedly it already has Burton waiting in the wings to act as director).
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Yeah, I saw several news articles about Rex Mundi today. I mentioned Rex Mundi a few pages back... let's see... page 30 of this thread. If you remember the interview with the rep from Johnny's production company, Rex Mundi was the one film that the rep said Johnny planned to star in (causing all sorts of panic about whether Johnny would star in Shantaram).
I was a little surprised (but happy) to see this sudden info- I knew there was a script being written but didn't know that it was so far along- they are making it sound as if Johnny has approved it. I suppose it's possible that this film could be done more quickly than I thought, but I guess we have to wait and see. For what it's worth, I have read the first 2 of the Rex Mundi graphic novels (there have been 4 or 5 published), and at least the way the graphic novels are written, it doesn't seem to me to be the type of film that would require a very long shoot or special effects or anything. I could be wrong, though, since they did said that they were going to change the story.
Agh, so many ifs!
Cathy
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Interesting that according to its co-producer Levine, that WB is "pretty excited" about the Rex Mundi project. It would be nice if we heard from one of DS producers' that WB is "pretty excited" about the DS project as well.
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First a James, now a Jamie. Hmmm... But here's yet another question posed about when we might see the Depp/DS film:
Ask Stacy (http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/hollywood-exclusive/ask-stacy-2008-08-16.html)
(Scroll down about a third of the page)
Though who knows where she got the idea that the rights deal closed in January '07 when Variety clearly indicated back at the end of July of that year that it had "just closed"? She's apparently also unaware that Shantaram is supposedly "in cold storage". And nowhere in her list of Depp's projects does she mention Rex Mundi. And all of that tends to lead me to believe that she's not completely up on her facts. But still, it's not exactly a bad thing to keep reminding the public that the Depp/DS film is in the works. [ghost_wink]
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She also spelled Barnabas wrong!! OFF TOPIC: I think it was really nice to hear that Johnny and Co. stepped up to help finish the late Heath Ledgers film. [ghost_sad]
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First a James, now a Jamie. Hmmm... But here's yet another question posed about when we might see the Depp/DS film:
No unfortunately I can't take credit for this article being generated. I do find it ironic that a Jamie from NY asked the question. I would have asked Stacey a much better question with a little more passion. Dam, there is competition everywhere in NY. lol
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Here is a very encouraging response by TV Guide's Matt Roush to a question posed by a very strange individual named James. lol
http://www.tvguide.com/ask-matt
Just you know this article has been relocated to http://www.tvguide.com/Ask-Matt/080811
asked by James from jimbo
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This is a bit off topic however, I felt it was worth sharing. Johnny Deep along with his costars Jude Law and Colin Farell are finishing the movie Heath Ledger was working on before his untimely death. According to the Sun, the three stars donated their salary's to his little girl Matilda. I think this speaks volumes about what kind of man Johnny Depp as well as his costars. How touching. I feel my self getting a little teary eyed! [ghost_sad] I hope this was okay to post. I thought it would be even though it wasn't directly related to DS it still involved our next Barnabas Collins.
You can read the full story here: http://perezhilton.com Although I cannot stand Perez I couldn't get the link to THE SUN to work.
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The story about Johnny, Colin Farrell and Jude Law donating their salaries for Dr. Parnassus to Heath Ledger's daughter is absolutely true, and has come from a direct quote from Terry Gilliam. So you don't have to rely on Perez Hilton for that one (and I can't stand that guy, either [ghost_wink] )
In other news, the following blurb appeared on a prominent Depp site, the Johnny Depp Zone, the other day. (Thanks to Emma!) It's from "Production Weekly" and is supposedly dated June 12, 2008 (those numbers at the top must refer to something else, because they're not the date)
Granted, the blurb at the bottom seems to mistakenly think that the story is about a dream, rather than being *based* on Dan Curtis' dream [ghost_grin] But almost the identical blurb is found on the DS Wikipedia page, where it's in the proper context. Anyway, what's exciting about this Production Weekly entry is that it shows Johnny in the "Cast", which is reassuring!
Cathy
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Thanks so much for posting the listing from Production Weekly. However, I edited your post to attach the image rather than display it inline because the forum's system automatically resizes wider images to 640 pixels wide and that was blurring way too much of the copy. [ghost_sad]
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Anyone reading that Production Weekly blurb not knowing of the origins of Dark Shadiws would have no idea what it was talking about. The mysterious "he" just thrown in there where it would act as a pronoun to "Soap Opera..." [ghost_blink] Someone needs to make sure they proof before publishing. [ghost_wink]
But, considering they should know more about the people involved than they do about the plot, it should be taken as a good sign. [ghost_grin]
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Sorry about the Production Weekly image- it looked okay to me but I didn't realize it wouldn't format well in the end. Thanks for doing the attachment thing, MB! I will learn how to do that for next time!
In other news, I hope that this isn't too far off-topic, but in a tangential way, it does pertain to some of the current rumors about Johnny's projects. Johnny was on a South Florida radio station yesterday, where he and members of his old band The Kids were promoting a pair of benefit concerts they're going to do next weekend. The concerts are in honor of Sheila Witkin, the mother of the band's bassist, who was a rock promoter and manager in Florida in the 70's and 80's and who passed away a few years ago. Johnny and his band played at last year's event, too (I was there!!) and now they'll be back for the 2nd Annual Event (I'll be there!!). Anyway, during the interview Johnny was asked if he was going to play The Riddler, as rumored. His response "Not that I know of, but it might be a fun gig for awhile." (I take that as a "no", and he's just trying to be respectful to the Batman franchise). He was also asked about an old rumor that he might play Salvador Dali, and that one was quashed, as well. He did own up to playing Dillinger and his part in filling in for Heath Ledger in Doctor Parnassus. No mention of DS, unfortunately, nor of the Mad Hatter. You can listen to the podcast here, though it's mostly about the concerts:
The Paul & Young Ron Show: The Johnny Depp Interview (http://pnyr.big1059.com/cc-common/podcast/single_podcast.html?podcast=PYRShows.xml)
On the off chance I get to chew the fat with Johnny at the show, I'll be sure to ask him about DS, but I don't think there's a chance in hell of that happening [ghost_wink]
Cathy
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Just what we need - another rumored/potential project for Depp:
Johnny Depp Dr Syn in remake hope (http://www.kentnews.co.uk/kent-news/Johnny-Depp-Dr-Syn-in-remake-hope-newsinkent15555.aspx)
Though one would certainly hope that if it is true that he's considering it, it won't be done until AFTER the DS film...
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I would frikkin' LOVE to see a remake of Dr.Syn, The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh! [ghost_tongue2]
On the other hand, methinks Johnny Depp might not want to play another pirate. But I wouldn't mind him playing the part.
The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh Masks, Hats, Wigs and Coats (http://hollywoodprop.com/drsyn.htm)
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We never know what is really going on behind the scenes, but I'd put this in the "filmmakers' wishful thinking" category for now. "In talks" probably means they sent Johnny a script. As if they're alone ;) I do wish a solid filming schedule would be announced for Johnny, just so we'd know what's next for him, (after his rock & roll shows next week, of course!) IMDb currently shows Shantaram production as starting in September, which is news to us but might mean that they might be ready to film in ~Feb. or so, after all. Or not [ghost_wink]
Cathy
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IMDb currently shows Shantaram production as starting in September, which is news to us but might mean that they might be ready to film in ~Feb. or so, after all. Or not [ghost_wink]
It would certainly seem not if Chunky Pandey can be believed. And given that almost anyone can add stuff to the IMDB, unfortunately, a good deal of the info posted there can be questionable. [ghost_sad]
And just another gentle reminder before things go OT, this topic is devoted to a discussion about the Depp/DS film's progress and development and the factors surrounding it. Discussing other films, TV shows or books in general terms as they might relate to the film is perfectly fine, but please don't get into specific likes or dislikes regarding them and/or discuss them independent of the Depp/DS film. [ghost_smiley] I loved Disney's The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh as a kid, but for this particular topic, any reference to it is going too OT.
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Thanks MB for helping us stay "on track". I wish we would hear some more about Deep Shadows. I am just about to explode with anticipation. [violent4]
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Based on the report that the guy who wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory is also penning the new DS flick, I think we can safely assume that the script will explore some aspect of the story that hasn't really been explored/answered. For example--what were Barnabas' feelings for Angelique versus Josette? Methinks that alone is the stuff of juicy drama. I mean, it was pretty clear they slept together, right? Was Angelique his first? Keep in mind Joshua Collins was something of a puritan and the Duprees no doubt protected their daughter's chastity with the same fervor the US looks after Fort Knox! More--and wouldn't this be a kick in the head--was Barnabas her first?
Another aspect that never got too much attention before now was the idea of Barnabas trying to fit into the modern world. Think about it--in 1795 the lightning rod was a controversial bit of technology and slavery was normal. I don't think a single country on Earth allowed women the vote. Today, the US presidential election including a woman and a black man as serious contenders!
How would Barnabas react to a car? To the idea of an airplane? What would he do if he saw a sunrise on a t.v. screen? He doesn't even know what fingerprints are. Computers are a total mystery to him (think about someone telling what to do with his mouse). By his standards, women wonder around half naked. Wonder what he'd think of the term "Gay Rights" and how he'd respond to the notion?
What does he do the first time he sees a toilet?
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That last post made me think about "Escape From The Planet Of The Apes". Remember when they arrived on Earth and had to learn about our way of life. That's where the comedy of the film came from and for that film it worked. If they show Barnabas learning about the modern world I hope it's not play for comedy. If done right they could make us feel sorry for him. He could be a stranger in a strange land trying to learn about this new world and trying to keep anyone from finding out the truth about him. It's going to be hard keeping it from being comedy.
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I would respond however I don't know "think" this is the place to talk about story ideas for the movie. I did know that the writer wrote Charlie and the Chocolate Factory which I adored.
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It's going to be hard keeping it from being comedy.
Which is probably why it's never been depicted in any of the series or hoDS. Though the comics based on the '91 series do touch on things briefly and they play it straight - well, apart for Barnabas and Willie watching Dracula. However, apart from the fact that they're watching Dracula, the scene is serious and not played for laughs. The scene is mostly used to illustrate that people believe vampires are make-believe but Willie and Barnabas obviously know they're not.
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I would respond however I don't know "think" this is the place to talk about story ideas for the movie.
Brief story ideas are fine in this topic. But for something longer all you have to do is post in one of the topics that discuss ideas for the movie at length and reference the post in this topic that got you thinking. [ghost_wink]
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I don't think its a matter of choosing whether to play it dramatically or for comedy. Ideally, it would be both, but in such a way as to fit overall into a serious tale. I'm reminded of Sleepy Hollow where Constable Crane's reaction to so much going around him was quite amusing, but it was all part of a story that took itself (quite properly) very seriously.
For example, in Robservations the point was made about whether Barnabas had ever seen car headlights before. Probably not. And while some details of that disorientation might amuse, the sum total might make us feel very sorry for Barnabas. I rather hope we see the moment when he sees a date on a newspaper or calendar and realizes over two centuries have passed! His reaction would be something to see, methinks.
And really, why shouldn't we be allowed to discuss elements of the script? I don't get it. Full-blown suggestions for storylines, etc. I understand. But why not discuss basic elements like "Should Vicky Winters really be Josette reincarnated?"
Myself, I find myself wondering what "take" on vampirism they'll go with. The original series essentially went with fangs and pale skintones. The remake added those weird eyes a la Forever Knight (to which, btw, I did not object). With advanced makeup these days vampires are often portrayed with lots of subtle clues that read "not human." On BTVS of course they went with an actual demonic look, but that was evidently to forestall any inference that Buffy was murdering human beings, even on a visceral level. In Interview With the Vampire, on the other hand, vampires had an interestingly obvious trace of their veins along the sides of their face. I wouldn't mind that myself. I wouldn't mind if Barnabas as a vampire looked quite nonhuman, but maybe also strangely beautiful.
Just a thought.
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And really, why shouldn't we be allowed to discuss elements of the script? I don't get it. Full-blown suggestions for storylines, etc. I understand. But why not discuss basic elements like "Should Vicky Winters really be Josette reincarnated?"
Things like that have been mentioned in this topic. [ghost_smiley] It's just that other topics have been created to discuss storyline suggestions, and the staff would prefer that those sorts of topics be discussed there and that this topic focus mostly on the progress and development of the Depp/DS and the factors surrounding it. That way similar discussions aren't being held in multiple topics. Reminders to try to stay on topic or to take certain discussions to other topics that have been created for them or to create topics for them aren't meant to prevent discussion - only to channel discussion in the proper areas on the forum/board. [ghost_smiley] After all, that is the job of a moderator. [ghost_wink]
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The discussion about script suggestions continues in the topic "DS Redux: Your Vision," which was started by Zahir and is presently stickied to the top of this board.
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Thanks MB and Midnite for clearing all this up. I wrote what I wrote because I wanted to see what you all had to say about how far we could go on this particular thread when discussing plots, etc. It is much appreciated. [ghost_smiley]
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Just in case anyone has been wondering, WB has confirmed that rumors of Depp appearing as the Riddler in the next Batman movie are false. Check out: Warner confirms that rumours of Cher as Catwoman and Johnny Depp as Riddler are false (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/aug/28/cher.catwoman?gusrc=rss&feed=film). In fact, at the moment there aren't even concrete plans to do another movie in the franchise (though everyone concerned would be insane not to [wink2]).
What's funny, though hardly surprising, is that new reports of the rumors continue to be posted on the Internet. But as I lamented in an earlier post, why should some sites let a little thing like the truth stop them from posting anything? ::)
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Hi, I haven't been on this forum for a couple of months. Is the latest about the Depp DS movie that Tim Burton will direct? Any other fresh tidbits?
Thanks.
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And on that subject, is Tim Burton directing even a truly confirmed fact? Do we have proof that WB confirmed it? Because I haven't been able to find any explicit proof yet. :-\
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There hasn't been any official confirmation from any reputable source that Burton will definitely direct. The closest thing to confirmation was back on June 16th when SG Update #184 said:
"Longtime Depp friend and collaborator Tim Burton, who directed Depp's recent film SWEENEY TODD, has expressed interest in helming the feature and is expected to officially join the project. Several recent online news items have mentioned Burton's involvement. However, the studio has not yet issued a formal confirmation, though will likely do so when the motion picture is closer to production."
But quite obviously a formal confirmation has yet to come from WB. But then, so far as any of us are aware, the film isn't close to production - and may not be so for some time to come...
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Thanks for that, MB. I was pretty sure that there hadn't been a 100% confirmation yet. Of course, it is looking incredibly likely from all the rumors that have been flying around, as well as Depp and Burton collaborating so frequently.
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I don't know if there is already a thread about which celebrities we would like to see in the movie. I tried looking for it and I could'nt find it. Anyway, I think Candice Night of the European folk rock group "Blackmores Night" would be great choice to play Angelique.
She kind of reminds me of young Lara Parker of the late 1960's.
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Doug, check out:
Movie Cast Ideas
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It certainly seems as if this blogger is coming to the party a bit late. But we'll take any and all fans - especially those who may be publicizing the Depp/DS film to people who, like himself, may have seemingly been unaware that it's been in the works for well over a year:
Johnny Depp In A Dark Shadows Movie?!?!?!? (http://wastard.blogspot.com/2008/09/johnny-depp-in-dark-shadows-movie.html)
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Actor Caine confirms the rumor about Depp being in the next Batman movie but mentions the source as a WB executive?
DARK KNIGHT EXCLUSIVE: Michael Caine Says Johnny Depp Is The Riddler, Philip Seymour Hoffman Is The Penguin (http://splashpage.mtv.com/2008/09/08/exclusive-michael-caine-says-johnny-depp-is-the-riddler-philip-seymour-hoffman-is-the-penguin/)
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Actor Caine confirms the rumor about Depp being in the next Batman movie but mentions the source as a WB executive?
That report completely flies in the face of WB's denial that Depp is attached in any way to a Batman sequel and their claim that they don't even know that there will be another Batman movie (though that last bit has to be a bit disingenuous because, given the huge boxoffice for The Dark Knight, it's almost impossible to imagine there won't be) along with Depp's own admission that he's never been asked. But who knows? Michael Caine could just be stirring up the rumor mill as a bit of fun, which would not be out of the question given things he's done in the past. Or the WB's dream cast for the next film could actually include Depp, but they just haven't asked him because they have no script yet...
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I think it is more the latter-just WB being hopeful that the studio could land Depp. Let's hope that JD does at least one DS movie-I don't think with Depp's number of projects, which continue to grow, that there could actually be a DS movie franchise as JP envisions. JP had mentioned at the Fest that WB wanted to do several DS movies if the first one was successful. WB has not once as far as I know mentioned the DS project in any of its discussions regarding its 2009 and 2010 development projects to the media. It's not a promising sign.
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I wouldn't necessarily take that as a bad sign. I've been cautioning that it certainly seems like Tim Burton is going to be tied up with Alice In Wonderland and Frankenweenie for some time - and if WB wants Burton to direct the Depp/DS film, they're certainly going to have to wait until he's free. Plus, we have absolutely no clue what state August's script is in.
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He did the 3 pirate films so why could,nt he do more then one ds film?
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He might. He did three Pirate films because--according to interviews--he simply loved playing (or "being") Captain Jack Sparrow.
If he feels the same about Barnabas Collins, then why not?
My own hope is that the film turns into a huge hit, so huge that somebody decides to jumpstart a new television series. [ghost_smiley]
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Another DS Depp reference.
Casting Couch: Depp 'Toons Up (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b28208_casting_couch_depp_toons_up.html)
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I don't know about a series???!?! If Johnny OWNS the Barney part he would be a hard act to follow!! But who knows??
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Well, Depp did get his start in TV... [ghost_wink]
If there is a new series that grows out of a hypothetical movie franchise, I strongly suspect it will have a strong cast and not be dependent on Barnabas. Still, it would be great if Depp did appear as Barn occasionally, for occasional storylines during sweeps or season ending cliffhangers..... [ghost_tongue2]
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I don't know about a series???!?! If Johnny OWNS the Barney part he would be a hard act to follow!! But who knows??
As far as I'm concerned, Jonathan Frid owns the role of Barnabas and always will, no matter who follows him. Going from Depp in a film to someone else in a series (because Johnny Depp does not strike me as the type to do TV after becoming a successful movie actor) wouldn't bother me.
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All valid points. Who knows though. I doubt Johnny would do Tv so they would definately have to get a new Barney..but I have gotten us off topic. I am so over all this riddler mess. Even Yahoo has it on their front entertainment page like it's the gospel! *EYE ROLL*
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Another latecomer to the party - but all are welcome. [ghost_wink]
Johnny Depp as Barnabas Collins? Be still my vampire-lovin' heart!! (http://tgarey.blogspot.com/2008/09/johnny-depp-as-barnabas-collins-be.html)
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Actor Caine confirms the rumor about Depp being in the next Batman movie but mentions the source as a WB executive?
That report completely flies in the face of WB's denial that Depp is attached in any way to a Batman sequel and their claim that they don't even know that there will be another Batman movie (though that last bit has to be a bit disingenuous because, given the huge boxoffice for The Dark Knight, it's almost impossible to imagine there won't be) along with Depp's own admission that he's never been asked.
Yet another denial - this time from Philip Seymour Hoffman: Philip Seymour Hoffman's Batman no (http://www.stv.tv/out/films/latestnews/Philip_Seymour_Hoffmans_Batman_no_132443)
So, now there's WB, Depp and Hoffman all denying everything and Caine stirring the pot. I wonder which side would appear to be more credible?
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A DS movie reference and a congrats to Burton and Depp for their success. (since this linked page is updated frequently I will paste it here as it will eventually change).
In the 2009 edition of the Guinness Book of World Records, Johnny Depp and Tim Burton are named the most lucrative Hollywood movie partnership, grossing $986 million from six films and counting.
Edward Scissorhands (1991)
Ed Wood (1994)
Sleepy Hollow (1999)
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (2005)
Corpse Bride (2005)
Sweeney Todd (2007)
With word that the two will also team for projects such as Alice in Wonderland and a film based on the Dark Shadows gothic soap opera, they may be holding that record for a long time to come.
:-)
http://www.deppimpact.com/news/news.html
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A brief DS movie reference in an article about the popularity of vampires across the board.
http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/story/693306.html
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Hoo boy.... this may not be the best news for us DS fans... Today was a big day for Depp announcements, as 3 count 'em THREE new films were announced to have his involvement:
1) Alice In Wonderland (as The Mad Hatter)- this one is not a surprise, but today is the first official confirmation that we've heard
2) The Lone Ranger (either as the title character or as Tonto- there seems to be some confusion). This is totally out of the blue
3) a 4th Pirates film- this is not too much of a surprise, either, as it's been hinted at ever since At World's End. But my question now is, do they have any firm plans in place, or is this just something they aspire to do someday? If the latter, no problem- I don't mind them doing another Pirates film maybe another decade from now. But I personally think Captain Jack needs a long rest.
Source is Variety, as well as other reputable sources, so this is solid information, folks:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117992798.html?categoryid=13&cs=1 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117992798.html?categoryid=13&cs=1)
Don't forget, he's doing the animated film, Rango, early next year, too, though hopefully that project won't take too long.
Personally, while I love Johnny and am happy for any choices he's happy with, I'm rather disheartened to hear about all these new things coming up, when I really want to hear news about DS.
Cathy
P.S. I should add that I think by now, the Riddler/Batman rumor has pretty much been dispelled, for good. I think Caine was confused.
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GOOD LORD! I am already having a bad day. I hope he puts off the Pirate movie at least. That is gonna take a lot of time!! <<Needs a glass of wine!
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Taeylor, I'll join you in that glass of wine...Is there a possibility since there doesn't seem to be a way for Depp to take on the role of Barnabas that he's going to be just involved in the production through his company and not necessarily starring in it? I've been thinking of possible replacements for Depp and a few come to mind. One name has come up frequently in my mind when I think of acting ability and appearance and that is Christian Slater.
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Miss Winthrop, it is very possible that Johnny might only produce DS, and not star in it. He has a number of other productions in the pipeline that he does not plan to star in, so his company is certainly taking on other projects. It's just that when DS was first announced, it was so heavily implied that he would be Barnabas, and we know that he always wanted to BE Barnabas when he was a kid, that I would be terribly disappointed if I found out that he wouldn't be in it.
That said, if it was a matter of him having too much on his plate to star in it himself, I would much rather the project go forward with someone else, than not go forward at all! Christian Slater actually sounds like a great choice!
Now that I've had a chance to absorb yesterdays' news a little (it was pretty shocking at first!) it may not be as mind-blowing as I first thought. The Mad Hatter, we already knew about, and that will film this fall. Pirates 4, we already suspected would happen, and actually, no time frame has been given for it, so it may just be that Disney wanted to admit that they're interested in doing another one, but it doesn't necessarily mean it'll be in production any time soon. In fact, if the story involves the hint at the end of the trilogy where they're
[spoiler]looking for the Fountain Of Youth[/spoiler], all the better to pick up the story 10 or 15 years from now.
The Lone Ranger is the real monkeywrench, and subsequent news stories have now been corrected to confirm that Johnny would play Tonto, not the title character. This is slightly better news to us fans (seems a little more interesting than the "masked hero" role), but frankly, many of us are baffled by this news. But again, there has been no real timeframe given, so this could well be a project that might be BEHIND DS in the pipeline. Remember, DS has had a year's head start in being officially announced. So I'm still crossing my fingers.
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I agree with you Madscntst that we should not panic (my word) yet for the reasons you mentioned. That being said I have a feeling that the project will not move forward without Depp as Barnabas. Burton will not direct it without Depp. I have to assume that the script is finished and hopefully it has or it will be approved by all concerned parties. It would be great to know if Depp is still going to play Barnabas but getting information on that question from this side of the house is very unlikely. I also remain optimistic that the DS project will be getting off the ground soon.
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One other point, that I just brought up to the Depp community I belong to, is that the news yesterday comes from a Disney showcase. A lot of folks were very upset that there was no news given about DS (or Shantaram or Rex Mundi, which are some of his other upcoming projects). But these are not Disney films, so there would be no reason for the Disney showcase to mention them. So the lack of mention of DS certainly doesn't mean anything bad about DS's progress, but simply just that Disney is not going to promote the competition [ghost_wink] So, I'm still trying to be very optimistic...
Cathy
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Another DS movie reference indicating that Depp has been casted as Barnabas although that is probably an assumption on the writer's part.
Sadly, Johnny Depp To Play Three More Silly Characters (http://gawker.com/5054895/sadly-johnny-depp-to-play-three-more-silly-characters)
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DS movie reference.
http://www.etonline.com/news/2008/09/65966/
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I hope Johnny plays Barnabas. I am sorry to whoever suggested Christian Slater~~~A WORLD OF NO!! IMO! He just doesn't have the Barnabas factor. Just my opinion though. I guess this subject is better discussed in cast ideas. I am just kind of bummed right now. However, maybe the script isn't finished and in the process of rewrites. I remember Malcolm Marmorstein (original show writer) said in one of his interviews one of his teachers said that REWRITES were ABOVE all what makes a good writer. I want the script to be perfect so I suppose I can wait longer. :(
Johnny's looks are holding up well. If Cross can play Barney at 40 and JF was 42 or 43 so, I guess Johnny can in his late 40's! It still baffles my mind to think he is in his middle 40's! The man has held up well!
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In all honesty, I like Johnny Depp as an actor, but there are actors who I think could do just as well in the role. Learning that he's not going to be our Barnabas wouldn't trigger a significant reaction from me.
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I find the fact that he is a fan VERY appealing. I cannot help it. However, I respect your opinion! I just haven't seen any other actor of our generation (at this moment in time) who is as great of a character actor as Johnny is. That is why I want him. Those two reasons. Every character he has played has always been so completely different!! It is a feat to behold!
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If for any reason Johnny Depp cannot play Barnabas, my vote (if I get one) is for Jonathan Rhys Myers of The Tudors...
(http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/4352/barnabasbh2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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Possibly but this is getting us off topic. We should move our suggestions to the cast idea thread. I am not being hateful we just don't want the admins having to do more work than necessary!
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Something I was thinking about--we the audience/fans know some things about the forthcoming movie. We know who is writing the screenplay (the first draft, anyway). We know Johnny Depp and Tim Burton are attached (for now--and odds seem pretty good that'll remain the state of affairs).
Based on that, methinks some predictions are in order. Seeing which in any are right--or wrong--will be kinda fun!
1a. Barnabas' story with Josette and his becoming a vampire will be told/hinted at in flashbacks.
OR
1b. Victoria Winters virtually begins the story in the past, with her flashbacks telling the story of the future.
Recall this is the same writer--John August--who adapted "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory", which included a brand new back story for Willy Wonka. This used flashbacks, and since DS deals with two time periods, this seems like a pretty safe bet. More, he explored unanswered (and to some extent unasked) questions which might lend itself to turning Victoria's time travel on its head.
2. Helena Bonham Carter will have a role--probably Liz, Julia and/or Naomi, although Angelique is not out of the question.
This one seems pretty obvious. Ever since "Planet of the Apes" Tim Burton has used Bonham Carter in each of his films. Nor am I objecting! She is an excellent actor! I suspect for variety's sake she might prefer to play Liz--since she's recently done the pining-in-love fellow conspirator in "Sweeney Todd" and the evil sexy witch in "Harry Potter" recently (plus she'll play Bellatrix at least two or three times more).
3. Whoever plays Josette/Maggie/Victoria, it will be an actress with whom Burton has not worked prior to now.
This is just based on past history. Burton doesn't seem to re-use ingenues much. To me, it also seems he tends to cast young women with a kind of feline waifish quality--including Winona Ryder (unusually, twice), Natalie Portman, Christina Ricci, etc. But that is difficult to pin down. Frankly I'm not even sure "feline waifish" is the right term to use.
4. Some very good character actors will litter the ensemble.
Pretty much SOP for Burton films, especially with anything even remotely gothic like "Edward Scissorhands" and "Sleepy Hollow". If Martin Landau and/or Christopher Lee are still around and active, I suspect Burton will use one or both.
5. More actors from the "Harry Potter" film series will be used.
I cannot be the first one to have thought this, can I? We already've seen Helena Bonham Carter, Alan Rickman, Timothy Spall, Michael Gambon. This actually brings up some startling possibilities if you think about it--Emma Watson as Carolyn or Josette, Jason Isaacs as Roger, Rupert Grint as Willie, etc. We'll see. But this does not apply to either Kenneth Branaugh or Emma Thompson, for obvious reasons involving Burton's fiancee.
6. Danny Elfman will write the music.
Well, yeah. Almost certainly.
7. David Collins is gonna be one very creepy little kid. Oh yeah. I think he'll creep Barnabas out some.
Just a hunch, based on the way Burton approaches children and the dynamics of the story.
8. Collinwood will look like no other estate in this or any other world.
Honestly, this is just a guess based on just how stylistic Burton might decide to go. I'm personally imagining something like a cross between the Addams Family mansion and Castle Dracula, but redecorated by Martha Stewart. That is Collinwood, natch. The Old House might easily resemble something out of "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari."
9. At some point Barnabas will rise out of his coffin in one move, a la "Nosferatu."
Wishful thinking on my part, really, but perfectly possible. [ghost_smiley]
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Some interesting speculations and predictions, Zahir! I think you are dead on (pardon the pun!) about just about everything. Regarding Helena Bonham Carter, I really like her too, and I assume that she will be involved if Tim directs. But for some reason, I am hoping she won't be a lead, or a love interest, just because it might be fun to see her in a kookier supporting role. Also, even though I know they're just acting, there seems to be something a little weirdly incestuous about pairing Johnny and Helena as a romantic couple. I like that the pairings so far have *not* been that (she was a minor character, and happily married, if poor, in Charlie, she was the "other woman" in Corpse Bride, and it was what I saw as a one-way attraction in Sweeney Todd).
Christopher Lee was originally going to be in Sweeney Todd-- he was even shown in a promo ad that was in Variety on the first day of filming. He was going to be the "gentleman ghost" and sing part of the Ballad, but the idea was scrapped before it got to be filmed. He was disappointed, but on a blog that I think his son wrote, expressed no hard feelings about it. So, assuming he maintains his health and the filming isn't *too* far in the future, I could definitely see him in a role, and it would be so fitting! And I would dearly love for Martin Landau and Johnny to be able to work together again, and Martin has some experience with coffins, too! Well, I don't want to go too far into casting ideas on this thread, but one issue to consider is what the storyline is going to be about, in the first place! And therefore, what characters will be in the film. I'm so curious!!
Regarding Danny Elfman, yes, he's done every film with Tim except for Ed Wood and Sweeney Todd (and the latter was only because the music was already composed, and doing orchestration and whatnot is not usually Elfman's strong suit). However, if he is involved, and maybe some of you who know more about the rights to the series music can chime in, here, I dearly hope that some of Cobert's original music can be integrated into the film. It is such familiar music that it would be a shame not to use it in some way.
As for the coffins, I feel that Johnny is going to have a blast with that. He'll probably love to wear fangs, as well! Also, Tim and Johnny have always joked about how Tim loves to squirt Johnny with lots of blood, and I'm sure there will be lots of opportunity for that. Which will beg the question, what kind of a rating would they shoot for? For Sweeney Todd, they knew from the beginning that it would be an R, and Tim had no intention of trying to sanitize the gore to get a lower rating. But for DS, I wonder if they will try to shoot for the wider audience that a PG-13 would allow. They certainly *could* make it an R-rated movie, but they don't necessarily *have* to. It'll be interesting to see their decision. I'm not sure I have a preference- I don't mind gore at all, and I don't like for a film to be squeaky clean, but I am also a huge fan of Hitchcock and know that a lot can be accomplished by implying what isn't shown.
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Burton's only done two R-rated films, correct? I personally think that those two were some of his best (I've seen all of Burton's films, save Planet of the Apes and the two Batman films, and, in my opinion, Ed Wood is the best, followed by Edward Scissorhands, then Sweeney Todd), but the R-rating was absolutely necessary for Sweeney Todd, and the strong profanity in Ed Wood helped develop Landau's portrayal of Lugosi, so it was probably necessary there, too. However, IMHO, a new Dark Shadows could easily be done with a PG-13 rating.
Anyone think that maybe the reason we haven't heard too much from Warner Bros. is that they're a little nervous? Sex and the City did fairly well at the box office, but The X-Files: I Want to Believe did pretty poorly, and I've heard rumors that a Friends movie was in planning, but got squished. Maybe they're worried that if a recent hit like The X-Files does so poorly at the box office, a film based on a show that debuted in 1966 (and is now basically a cult show) would do even worse.
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I'm not as big a fan of Burton as I am of Johnny Depp (I love Tim but don't have all the facts and figures in my head) I know that Sleepy Hollow and Sweeney Todd were R; I'm not sure about anything else. Strike that- I just checked Ed Wood and was surprised to see that that, too, was rated R. I guess Lugosi sweared a lot! Big Fish, the Batmans, Planet of the Apes, Mars Attacks were all PG-13, and I'm pretty sure the other Depp/Burton films were, as well.
Gah, you bring up an interesting point about WB being nervous, but I sure hope that's not true! [ghost_shocked] I didn't see the X-Files film, but the reviews were pretty terrible, so maybe it's not that there wasn't fan interest in a film made from a TV series- maybe it was just that the film sucked!
Cathy
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Yes, the X-Files movie got scathing reviews. And as for the Friends movie rumor, Entertainment Weekly debunked that as a complete fabrication soon after it made the rounds.
And I continue to think that there's no news on the Depp/DS movie front because Burton already has so much on his plate. IF he is going to direct, it *could* easily be more than a year from now before production might begin. And if that is the case, they're not about to begin casting or anything like that with production more than a year in the offing. Also, we don't even know the state of the script...
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Thanks for clearing that up, MB.
Yes, I forgot about about Sleepy Hollow; that raises the total to three. And not all the Burton/Depp productions were rated PG-13 or R - Corpse Bride and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory were both PG. However, I highly doubt that a new DS movie could be made as PG.
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I have not seen Sweeney Todd but Sleepy Hollow was a pretty mild R if you ask me. I think he should go for an R if it ever comes about. Corpse Bride is one of my favorite movies.
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I refuse to give into another DS curse like I personally believe has been inflicted upon us twice since the OS. I am thinking positive positive thoughts towards this project. I wanna see Johnny in that onyx ring, cane and coat before it is over with, preferably in a 3 part Trilogy!! Plus no offense to the stars of the X Files but are they as known as Johnny Depp? I know that X Files was a huge TV hit but nothing compared to the Pirate movies which shot his star power into the stratosphere! And made ASTOUNDING amounts of box office revenue!! I am glad to say I loved him long before the Pirate stuff. IN fact it's my least favorite of his work! ;) It's fun for a watch on a weekend now and again to me.
[ghost_wink] His childhood fantasy alone makes me think he is the perfect fit to play this part--To Play Barnabas Collins!!
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Well, I've been mulling this one over long before it was a topic and I will accept no substitutions...it's got to be Johnny! And he'd better get at it because time is ticking away - IMO he's the perfect age now.
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the kid who played damien in the remake would make a good creepy david.
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Speaking of Omen (my # 1 all time favorite horror movie), I thought the remake wasn't very good with the exception of the kid who played Damien. He really was very good. Schrieber and Dunst were so unsuited to play Damien's parents. I was hugely disappointed since Schrieber is a decent actor and I was hoping for a lot more. [hall2_sad]
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afthe the movie he played a killer kid on the soap guilding light for a few months and did a good job.
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An article on Depp's projects and it includes a brief DS movie reference
Captian Jack-pot!
After 3 Pirates, Johnny Depp looking at $56M!!! for fourth (http://www.winnipegsun.com/Entertainment/OtherEntertainment/2008/10/08/7011531-sun.html)
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I guess we are doomed to have Helena in the DS movie. MEH!
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If Tim Burton directs, it seems almost a certainty that Helena Bonham Carter will appear in some role.
The casting news that I think is potentially interesting is Anne Hathaway. Other reports have mentioned that Depp was supposedly so taken with the premiere of Little Britian on BBC America that he's asking the actor who plays Tweedledum and Tweedledee, who's also on LB, for a part in the LB movie - wouldn't it be interesting if Depp is in a similar mind as several DS fans in thinking of Hathaway as Vicki - and wouldn't it be interesting if he approached her with the idea?
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Burton does have a history of taking brunette actresses and making them blonde (Winona Ryder in Edward Scissorhands, Christina Ricci in Sleepy Hollow). So, Helena as as Angelique seems almost a foregone conclusion. TBH, I rather like her and she certainly has a great chemistry with Depp.
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Interestingly, I was following some Sondheim boards around the time of casting for Sweeney Todd, and a lot of folks wanted to see Anne Hathaway as Johanna (she is apparently a very good singer, and I think she has performed some pieces from Sweeney Todd). Interestingly too, she would have had to have become blonde for the role [hall_wink] I don't know if she was even on Tim's radar at the time, but now that she is, who knows? I could see her as Vicki.
As for Helena, the lucky thing about Tim always casting her lately is that he doesn't necessarily always cast her in a lead role. So really, if she's in Dark Shadows, she could be cast as anyone (Mrs. Johnson?? LOL) But Julia Hoffman seems to me like it might be a good fit for her. I don't particularly envision her as Angelique (i am still liking the idea of Charlize Theron), but I'm happy to keep an open mind for now.
The good thing is that DS is continuing to be mentioned in these articles!
Cathy
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Hmm, Julia might be a good fit for HBC, but that might be a little too much like the relationship she had as Mrs. Lovett with Depp's Todd.
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IF she plays Julia I am done with it all! NO seriously! GRAYSON HALL~~Perfectiion. BARBARA STEELE~~Perfectiion. Helena no so much! She does not have the "elan vital" to play Julia IMO! I am sure a lot of people will disagree but I hope Burton doesn't direct if it means more nepotism! I swer Tori Spelling (who I know doesn't hold a candle to Helena) was tore to shreds and she is in EVERY 'effin movie her husband makes and now one says a word! I need to go..I am getting worked up over nothing--so far!
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Well, look at it this way - if Tori Spellings' husband directed the Depp/DS film, maybe she would play Julia. [hall2_shocked] In that situation most DS fans would probably prefer Helena Bonham Carter. [hall2_wink]
But seriously, I honestly haven't seen enough of Bonham Carter's work to judge. The only thing I can recall seeing her in was the '85 version of A Room with a View - and that was a long time ago.
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Actually, I might buy Tori as Carolyn....
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Thankfully Tori's too old to play Carolyn. Well, unless they almost double Carolyn's age.
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Guys! I am sorry I just went off on a tangant!! I do like Helena B Carter and I think she is a talented actress, however, I just don't see the BS or GH factor in her. I loved both of those portrayls equally. Unless she blew me away, I probably would have had a hard time warming up to KELLY HU because I just can't see her as Julia Hoffman. Something just says (to me) she (HBC) isn't right for Julia! I didn't mean to get this topic way off.....forgive me! Or sound like a maniac. [skull_winks] Perhaps she could play an conniving Mrs. Johnson? [BOO]
OFF TOPIC: I have always liked TORI and people thought I was so stupid. She has a huge gay following! I know she is a horrible actress but oh well, don't we all have our guilty pleasures??
Actually, I might buy Tori as Carolyn....
Poor Little Rich Girl....it's a thought and not much of a stretch! [female_skull]
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unfortunately ms.bonham carter is too old for any of the ingenue roles.so vicki,carolyn or maggie are out.
so is angelique. [128]
so unlesss they create a new character it's liz,julia or mrs.johnson...or maybe laura.
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Hmm, Julia might be a good fit for HBC, but that might be a little too much like the relationship she had as Mrs. Lovett with Depp's Todd.
True, and I think I have seen this point brought up already and even agreed with it- I just forgot! [hall2_grin] I was thinking more of the Julia-as-scientist angle, though, and somehow I can just picture HBC in a lab with test tubes. And I agree she's too old to play a lot of the ingenue roles. I think the best fit for her would actually be Crazy Jenny, but I dunno if they're gonna cast that character :-D
Cathy
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Honestly, I don't even see the issue. Helena Bonham Carter is a marvelous actress who has played a variety of different roles. Look at just a scattering of her films! Room With A View, Lady Jane, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, Fight Club, Twelfth Night, Sweeney Todd, Wings of the Dove, Harry Potter, Novocaine etc.
Twenty years ago she'd've been a good choice for Victoria or Carolyn or Angelique. She has that kind of range. Given her current age, she is a good choice of Julia, Elizabeth or Mrs. Johnson.
Sorry, but one thing that bothers me--as an actor myself--is how other actors get pigeon-holed for often-bizarre reasons. James Doohan found his career virtually ruined because no one would believe he didn't speak with a Scots accent. On another board, I read several people dismiss the possible casing of Kate Beckinsale in The Ring (she was under consideration) because it wasn't an action-oriented part (simply dismissing all of Beckinsale's work prior to Underworld and Van Helsing). I vividly recall how loads of people reacted with disgust at Gary Oldman being cast as Dracula, based essentially on his take of Lee Harvey Oswald and Sid Vicious. One of the most chilling human monsters I ever saw on film was in Once Upon A Time In The West. The actor was Henry Fonda.
People, we're talking about ACTORS. If actors are good, they can play all sorts of different parts. Christopher Lee keeps getting cast as the heavy, but I had the great good fortune to see him in Jinnah, wherein he wept with sorry. In his autobiography he noted this was the only chance he'd had to show that kind of emotion in his career. He was superb! Likewise I saw Jonathan Frid on Broadway in Arsenic and Old Lace, essentially playing a brutal, sadistic thug. He was great! Anyone who got to see last weeks' SNL got to view Anne Hathaway doing a truly wonderful take on Mary Poppins--as slightly insane, and fairly promiscuous, mong other things. I for one would love to see her play a villain!
Hmmmm...Anne Hathaway as Angelique....hmmmmmm....
Frankly, it is insulting as well as infuriating to read good actors dismissed in this way. Helena Bonham Carter has the career she has--including all those awards and juicy parts--because she's good. Any DS movie will be lucky to have her, whether Tim Burton directs or not. The only real hestitation I have is that if she plays Julia she might be repeating herself, a la Mrs. Lovett.
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I'm not a fan of Bonham Carter personally, and frankly I'd rather not see her in DS (and to be perfectly frank, Tim Burton wouldn't have been my first choice to direct, either), but I've come to expect seeing her in Burton's films. Sticking his current girlfriend in his movies, be she HBC or Lisa Marie, is one of Burton's trademarks, and it would actually feel a little strange if there wasn't some nepotism involved.
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Another article that mentions the DS film - but one that also poses an interesting question: Is Johnny Depp About to Get Overexposed? (http://www.film.com/movies/story/johnny-depp-to-get-overexposed/23501402)
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Interesting article, but too simplistic, in my opinion. I mean, they are lumping The Lone Ranger and Dark Shadows together because they're both remakes of TV shows. But I don't exactly expect them to be similar! And I could be wrong, but I highly doubt that Johnny will portray Tonto (or Barnabas, for that matter) as a simplistic stereotype. That said, some Depp fans are indeed worried about all the recent Disney announcements, and take them as a sign that Johnny's not taking "interesting" roles anymore. But I say, wait and see! Finally, the article makes no mention of the 2 films that are actually going to be released next: Public Enemies and The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus, which are both pretty different roles for him.
The best thing about the article is that they admit that DS could be "pretty great." I agree!!
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HB is a good actress, I said that. I am glad that she was just marvelous in all those movies and I agree she was! I just don't see her as Julia and you will never convince me of it. And just because she is a good actress doesn't mean she belongs in DS. And I didn't have the balls to say it but I am not really all that thrilled that Burton is directing either! Thanks GOOBER! You have your view and I have mine and I doubt either one of us is gonna budge. So we can just agree to disagree! [skull_winks]
And please remember emotions cannot come across. I was in no way trying to be a bitch!
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I'm ambivalent about Burton directing, primarily because I loved how natural the setting of HoDS felt, and I'd much rather see a Dark Shadows movie filmed on-location on some old New England estates than CGI'ing it over at Pinewood, which is what he'll probably do. The only current exception that I can think of is Big Fish, which was filmed in Alabama, though that may have something to do with Steven Spielberg originally being set up to direct that one. I also think that Johnny Depp is a great actor, but I'm not sure he would have been my first choice for Barnabas, either.
As for HBC, I admit that I thought, "Barnabas and Julia!" during Mrs. Lovett's wedding fantasy in Sweeney Todd, but I'd still rather see someone else - as I've said before, Juliet Landau, who's kind of in the middle of Hall and Steele, would be my ideal pick.
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HODS looks creepy. I hope DS isn't too slicked over! I really need to reitirate that am kind of torn with Burton. On one hand I think he could do wonderful and one hand I think he could do terrible [female_skull] Time will tell. If they would at least let Robert do the music again and have crashing waves with DS splashed on the screen that will be make me %25 ready to go to the theater. It would be good to have some of the old school touch to DS, in my opinion mix with completely new ideas. On a positive or sad note I am glad DC will not be involved. I mean no disrespect to the man who brought us DS. I HONOR HIM! I just think he had one vision and one only!
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I just think he had one vision and one only!
Gee, ya think? [hall2_grin]
Personally, I hope the Depp/DS film is as little like hoDS as possible!
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I don't think I came across correctly. I don't want HODS in any way, shape or form. I just hope it has the creep factor. So many scary movies just don't scare you anymore! It doesn't have to resort to tons of violence for this either. Just make this world we are watching CREEPY for there is nothing like a good "JUMP" out of your seat moment!! I am sure Johnnny and Burton will do great. The fact that they are fans does appeal to me! I feel conflicted today. Overlook me! [8_1_215]
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I'm more talking about HoDS's forboding atmosphere and beautiful cinematography than its plot, which was a bit too Dracula and not enough DS for my taste.
I completely agree that too many horror movies these days rely on gore instead of genuine scares, or, at the very least, mood and atmosphere. I watched Let's Scare Jessica to Death the other day and the atmosphere was superb, even if the movie wasn't truly scary until the end. I detest Saw/Hostel-esque torture porn, and the only "slasher" films I actually like are the first Halloween and Scream; maybe Valentine, as well, though that's a lot less well-known.
And I tend to feel that Burton is either going to make it perfect or totally butcher it.
Dan Curtis's problem was that he was somewhat unimaginative. DS is great, but you have to admit that it cribbed a lot from other stories, though it did so very well. And when the chance for a revival swung back around, he had them tell almost the same story again.
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But seriously, I honestly haven't seen enough of Bonham Carter's work to judge. The only thing I can recall seeing her in was the '85 version of A Room with a View - and that was a long time ago.
HBC is in 'Howard's End' with Anthony Hopkins and Emma Thompson. A must see movie. She's very good as Thompson's little sister.
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Goober,
How can you say such a thing? "Dan Curtis's problem was that he was somewhat unimaginative". ??? Dan Curtis was a genius to say the least. He created the most popular soap opera of all time, bar none. It was his fantastic imagination and creativity, granted, family and friends encouraged him. Never the less, this unimaginative person is responsible for the greatest soap in our lifetime, the likes of which we may never see again.
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Forgive me, "uncreative" was the term I meant to use, not "unimaginative." As I said, Dark Shadows is a great show, and I find the fact that it openly borrowed from so many horror stories to create a very large portion of its storylines strangely endearing. Aside from that, when the Revival popped up, they didn't do enough to differentiate it from the original series, which is probably due to Dan Curtis. Sure, different cast and a few plot changes, but it was essentially the same story. But what you read about the writing staff on the internet, as well as somewhat in the PomPress books, indicates that Dan Curtis was having the writers speed-read various horror stories, and then rewriting those stories into the DS universe; not exactly an enormous sign of creativity. And let's not forget that if Dan Curtis had gotten his way and made Barnabas an all-evil vampire instead of giving into Frid and the writers, Dark Shadows likely would have gotten canceled instead of being saved by Barnabas. I'm not denying that DS had some really creative stuff in it - but I think it more had to do with other writers than with DC himself. Just my opinion.
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I guess that you are partially right on that aspect. Much of Dark Shadows was borrowed from other horror stories. It was really just a menagerie of horror stories. This was the magic potion that made Dark Shadows work. I too was glad that Dan Curtis didnt get his way with Barnabas, However, the creation of Barnabas was so good that anyone that tries to deviate from the original character portrayed by Jonathan Frid will never be successful. [hall2_wink]
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the creation of Barnabas was so good that anyone that tries to deviate from the original character portrayed by Jonathan Frid will never be successful. [hall2_wink]
Exactly. That's one of the reasons why I view the Revivial, the 2004 WB pilot, and any other revivals of DS to be more novelties than anything else. For me, Dark Shadows is the original series, and everything else is just an extra. It's also why we need to have a good actor playing Barnabas for this movie - he'll never be able to stand up against Frid, but he needs to be a worthy successor.
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[hall2_wink] Dittos! I couldn't agree more.
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Actually, deviating from the original portrayal is the only way to go. If Depp just mimics Frid's performance, this new movie will not be as good as it could be. Depp has his own talent and originality to bring to the table, and he should definitely bring it.
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Just as Dark Shadows took already existing stories and turned them into something that could stand on its own, so, I believe, the character of Barnabas can be played by another actor, with shades of difference and indeed whole boatloads of difference, and fascinate the audience as much as the original Barnabas did.
I've said before that I don't think I'll like Johnny Depp's Dark Shadows movie because too much attention will be paid to horror - but that doesn't change my opinion about what's possible.
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I am genuinely startled at seeing how many posters here evidently don't want there to be any more incarnations of DS ever. Because let's face it, DS without Barnabas is just not DS. And Jonathan Frid is a retired actor in his eighties so he's never playing Barnabas again.
Hence, no Dark Shadows. Ever.
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The new actor, whoever he may be, should deviate from Frid somewhat. As I said, he needs to be a worthy successor, but he'll never stand up against Frid; therefore, exactly regurgitating Frid's version of the character would be a huge mistake.
Actually, what I'm saying is that, in my mind, there can be no new incarnation of Dark Shadows. For allegory, the famous "original" glazed variety of Krispy Kreme donuts is the Krispy Kreme donut, and all the others are just Krispy Kreme-branded donuts. (Did that make sense?) I'm not against another show or movie, but I don't see them as true revivals of the original show, just new media released under the brand name of the original show.
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Another article that mentions how Depp has the DS film in his pipeline.
Check out: A very busy Depp (http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/80-10102008-1603658.html)
(Scroll down about a third of the way down the page.)
And I don't know where this article is getting its info, but it claims that there are reports that Anne Hathaway is already attached to the Depp/DS film.
Check out: Divorced From Typecasting (http://www.laindependent.com/default.asp?sourceid=&smenu=84&twindow=Default&mad=No&sdetail=4207&wpage=1&skeyword=&sidate=&ccat=&ccatm=&restate=&restatus=&reoption=&retype=&repmin=&repmax=&rebed=&rebath=&subname=&pform=&sc=1014&hn=laindependent&he=.com)
That would be interesting news if true, but somehow I suspect someone is simply misreading the speculation that some Web sites and DS fans have been spinning. And we all know how rumors run rampant on the Internet. Though who knows? Look how long John August was attached as screenwriter before it was actually confirmed...
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I am not opposed to deviating from the original Barnabas as long as it is a mature actor with a Shakespearean style of acting. If the new Barnabas is just a young hunk up on the screen the new DS movie I hate to say, will flop. [hall2_sad]
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Actually, a young heartthrob actor would likely be better for revenue, though probably not quality. God forbid we see Disney get ahold of the production and cast Zac Efron or one of the Jonas Brothers as Barnabas.
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I always thought Dan Curtis took too much personal credit for Dark Shadows. As most producers and directors do in tv media or movies. I understand it was his dream that made Dark Shadows come to life, but he had a whole crew of writers, other directors and actors who helped come up with the verison of Dark Shadows we love.
That is why i am excited about the new movie. He isn't involved. I think Dan Curtis held back the potenital of Dark Shadows since the show went off the air. He had too much control of what he thought Dark Shadows was and wouldn't let anyone do anything new to it.
Either way thank goodness for a new movie, a new generation needs to discover the show.
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Is the new Dark Shadows movie project dead? The October 10, 2008 issue (#1015) of Entertainment Weekly states on page 11 this brief side article under the caption
"LEFT BEHIND:
Two long discussed Depp projects appear kaput for now: Shantarum, based on a novel about a heroin addict's adventures in India, and the movie version of the 60's vampire soap Dark Shadows, a childhood favorite of the actor's."
I would assume the three writers of this article received some confirmation from Depp's people that the DS project is in doubt. My feeling is that the producers should stop teasing us fans and let the word out that this movie may not get off the ground-or have they?
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I would never assume. [hall2_wink] And to me, because they used the word "appear" it seemed, based on the slate of just announced films in Depp's pipeline, as if EW was merely assuming Shantarum and the DS film are backburnered "for now." Though in the case of the DS film, that would certainly appear to be quite true because, if WB wants Tim Burton to direct, they have a long wait for him to become available. I didn't see anything new or anything to get worried about when I read that last week...
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Yes it is risky to assume but the EW writers would look foolish/less credible if news soon subsequently came out about developments in the DS project that contradicted its' article. But then again maybe they don't care. I just noticed at the IMDB site that the projected release date for the DS movie has been changed from 2010 to 2011. Who actually is empowered to change the movie's projected release date if anybody knows.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
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I think that EW cares a little more about its credibility than a true tabloid, but not as much as a trade like Variety or Hollywood Reporter. I think of the EW mention as a vague statement that was probably made about DS because they haven't heard anything about it lately. They don't even quote a source on it. I really think that a lot of media are focusing so much on the recent Disney news that they forget that there are actually other studios out there planning films with Johnny. BTW if EW spelled one of the films as "Shantarum", that is incorrect; it's Shantaram. (This one does seem to have some production problems at the moment, but we'll see what happens with it).
I noticed that the dates for DS and also Sin City 3 were changed to 2011, but I think that is just something IMDb often does around this time of year, when it's clear that the film won't be made by the earlier date they estimated. I think those dates are usually just estimates unless a movie is actually filming- I often see them roll over to the next year or two if they're still in development. It doesn't worry me too much... yet.
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Madscntst I misspelled the movie's title so its not EW's error. Sorry about that. Thanks also for the IMDb's clarification. At this pace there may not be any need for a DS movie panel at the DS Festival next year if there is nothing to report. In all seriousness, putting the DS movie into 2011 delays the DS HODS and NODS DVDs release as much.
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but the EW writers would look foolish/less credible if news soon subsequently came out about developments in the DS project that contradicted its' article. But then again maybe they don't care.
I think that EW cares a little more about its credibility than a true tabloid, but not as much as a trade like Variety or Hollywood Reporter. I think of the EW mention as a vague statement that was probably made about DS because they haven't heard anything about it lately. They don't even quote a source on it. I really think that a lot of media are focusing so much on the recent Disney news that they forget that there are actually other studios out there planning films with Johnny.
I totally agree with madscntst. And even if WB made a major announcement about the film today, EW wouldn't look foolish/less credible because all they said was that the DS film appears to have been pushed to the background for now. If they had confirmed info that the film is indeed in trouble, they wouldn't have used words/phrases like "appears" and "for now." Words/phrases like that allow them to cover their collective ass should something develop sooner than they thought was likely at the moment they wrote what they did. And they seem to have written what they did solely based on the announcement of Depp's new deal with Disney.
In all seriousness, putting the DS movie into 2011 delays the DS HODS and NODS DVDs release as much.
And that's very unfortunate. And I hate to sound like a broken record, but whatever delays there may be would certainly seem to be attributed to WB's supposed desire for Burton to direct and the fact that he has so many commitments. Of course we as fans would like to see the Depp/DS film and the hoDS/NoDS DVD sooner rather than later, but circumstances wouldn't appear to allow any of that to be likely at this point...
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It really is a shame that the two DS movies releases on DVD is seriously delayed because of the new DS movie being stuck in development and/or because of Burton's busy schedule. Is it really WB pushing for T.B. to direct the DS movie that is holding up this movie? If Depp wanted a different director for whatever reason I don't think WB would prevent this movie from being filmed. I could be wrong. The movie probably will stand a better chance for a bigger box office if both were involved in the project-look at all the marketing possibilities with Burton as its director along with JD. But I don't think it is absolutely imperative that Burton direct this movie. How much of a say does WB have in this process? Isn't WB basically a distributor of this movie? Or is WB also providing the funding for this movie? I don't know too much about this process. But in either event I just wish the HODS and NODS were not collateral damage in the movie's delay in being filmed. Both movies should have been released years ago on DVD and fully restored.
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Nothing really new or revealing, but DS was mentioned briefly in a recent interview Tim Burton did with a blogger from the LA Times. Basically, he's asked about DS, says he's interested but has to work on Alice first, and does not offer any info on whether there is a "plan" for DS. But I think it's a good sign that he acknowledges it-- he's not a very wordy guy [hall2_grin] By the way, Johnny was spotted in LA on Monday, and he is clean-shaven (where his tendency is often to keep a beard and mustache if he's not filming, as he has looked most of the summer), so we speculate that he may have started filming Alice In Wonderland already or will be imminently. I hope that film gets done quickly!
The interview:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/tim-burton-talk.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2008/10/tim-burton-talk.html)
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Actually, what is interesting about that interview is that Burton doesn't mention that after he does Alice In Wonderland, he's doing Frankenweenie, which is what many reports have said. All he says is that he's definitely interested in the Depp/DS film but he's starting Alice first. Not that anyone should necessarily read into that that DS might be the film he does after Alice - but if Frankenweenie isn't going to be his next film after Alice, there is a real possibility that DS could get made much sooner than most of us have thought because it's the stop animation aspect of Frankenweenie that would really tie Burton up for a very long time...
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so we speculate that he may have started filming Alice In Wonderland already or will be imminently. I hope that film gets done quickly!
Yes please let it!! ;)
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It's nice to see that Burton's LA Times interview is being linked to and/or discussed on several entertainment/news Web sites. Hopefully his comments about the Depp/DS film will dispel any mistaken notions that anyone might have come away with from EW that the film was dead...
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Well I am glad I read the posting here about the la times article after reading this article http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=8091 which is essentially a previous article already discussed here. I wonder why Burton did not have a clue about the status of the DS project. Surely he must know if the script has been finished and approved. Plus I am sure he talks to Depp. I would have to guess he knows exactly what stage the DS project is at but just does not want to say anything without first checking with the rest of the movie's producers.
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Apparently the people at Shock Till You Drop.com haven't read the Burton interview. :tsk: But it's good to see that in the comments section someone pointed it out to them.
(It's also fascinating that Depp's supposed $56M salary for the next Pirates of the Caribbean has been debunked as a rumor. Just how many false rumors spring up about Depp every day and then spread like wildfire?! ::))
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The editor of that website has apparently just updated the article to include the latimes article. Unfortunately websites like bloody-disgusting.com and comingsoon.net and who knows how many other sites have not updated its articles.
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Unfortunately websites like bloody-disgusting.com and comingsoon.net and who knows how many other sites have not updated its articles.
Yeah, well, there are still Web sites that refuse to drop the idea that Depp will be playing the Riddler in the next Batman movie despite the fact that seemingly everyone and his brother from Depp himself to WB execs to Christopher Nolan have denied it. That's one of the reasons why one really has to be careful of what Web sites to believe and which ones to dismiss...
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Just how many false rumors spring up about Depp every day and then spread like wildfire?! ::))
MANY, believe me [hall2_grin] By the way, the Pirates 4 rumors have been debunked by Terry Rossio, one of the cowriters of the trilogy, and we don't necessarily always trust him at his word, either. Let's just say, for instance, that I question whether Rossio has any business knowing anything one way or another about Johnny's salary agreements with Disney. I'll leave it at that [hall2_smiley]
As for Tim, I don't know if he's being evasive as much as just conveying that there isn't much to tell specifically about Dark Shadows yet, as he's focusing on something else right now. It's not an in-depth interview, and the subject was dropped quickly, because it wasn't the main focus of the interview. I'm just glad it was mentioned!
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As for Tim, I don't know if he's being evasive as much as just conveying that there isn't much to tell specifically about Dark Shadows yet, as he's focusing on something else right now.
I definitely picked up the same vibe as you. I just think Depp Shadows is just in it's early early development and they are trying to stay mum on the subject even though they possibly have an outline for the story or a script?!. Plus like he said his focus needs to be on 'Alice' and it's true that Burton doesn't small talk. He is a quiet man!
I guess all we can do is stay vigilant and await the coming of the new Dark Shadows movie! [candle_in_skull_2]
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I think some of these sites are taking way to many liberties with the DS movie project's unknown status. Here is one article where in its article's title states that DS movie is being delayed because of Pirates 4. now that is one big leap. Isn't the next Pirates movie something like 3-4 years away?
http://www.fearnet.com/news/b13405_johnny_depps_dark_shadows_on_hold.html
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Some Web sites simply draw their own conclusions based on little to no evidence. That's just what they do. [hall_rolleyes] (And let's not even get into the ones that make up stuff. [hall_angry]) Though so far as when the 4th Pirates movie is supposed to get made, I can't say I've noticed a timeframe being mentioned. But that might be because I haven't paid much attention (I'm probably one of the few people in the world who's never seen any of the Pirates movies and has little desire to - though I understand the first one is pretty good). Perhaps madscntst has a better idea...
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The Pirates movies are my least favorite Johnny movies!
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Disney did not give any kind of timeframe for Pirates 4, as far as we've been able to tell from official announcement. When Terry Rossio (the cowriter for the Pirates trilogy) debunked the recent rumors about #4, I think he said there's no script and not even a storyline, and that there's pretty much nothing to say about it at this point. In fact, he seemed annoyed that Disney even brought it up this soon. Which makes me wonder, why does he assume that he's going to write it? ;) (Though he probably will-- he and his partner Ted Elliot are writing (or have written) the script for The Lone Ranger, which is also in Johnny's pipeline.
At any rate, I'd assume that Pirates 4 is currently way behind DS in terms of development, though of course as we know, things don't always get done in the same order and in the same amount of time. But I'm hoping Pirates 4 comes WAYYY after DS. For what it's worth, I think Pirates 1 is a great film, and Johnny definitely deserved the Oscar nomination he got for it [hall2_grin]
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The writer of this piece questions how Depp and Burton can possibly fit the DS movie in their schedule and believes the project is a long way off. Of course should we get official news from the DS producers, that would prevent further speculation about the status of the project in the media.
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=14165
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Just how many false rumors spring up about Depp every day and then spread like wildfire?! ::))
MANY, believe me
This one has to be the most outlandish one yet: Johnny Depp dead - HOAX (http://kabonfootprint.infosstage.com/johny-depp-dead/)
And yet several idiots spread the story as fact. [hall2_rolleyes]
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I attended the Chillertheatre convention in New Jersey today and met Barbara Steele, Julia and Natalie from the 91 series while obtaining her autograph. She is such a lovely and friendly person. I met her many years ago at a DS Festival. At her table I told her that I was a big DS fan and Ms. Steele asked me if I heard about the new DS movie starring Johnny Depp. I told her I did and then asked her if she knew the status of the project. Ms. Steele told me in front of the other fans that they were suppose to shoot the movie in the spring of 2009 but it got delayed until 2010 for a 2011 release. Those were her words. I thought it was inappropriate to ask for more specifics on its delay. She told me this in a matter of fact way. I of course don't know how accurate this information is and I am hoping that things do change in the movie industry day to day. I am only relaying what she told me. I did ask her if she was going to be in the new movie and she told me to "light a candle". I also asked her if she would be attending a DS Fest in the future and she said that she did not think that the fans wanted anybody from the 1991 series and I of course told her that there are so many fans of the revival series who would love to see her. She said something like that was real good to hear and maybe.
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Whoa, well, that is (tentatively) great news, that there is even a (tentative) plan in place. I'll keep my fingers crossed!
In other Depp news, Shantaram has just been taken off IMDb, other than a placeholder and a note that there is more information if you join IMDbPro (which has a subscription cost). A fan who has IMDbPro says that the film is still there but is now in a state of "turnover". I think I mentioned that Johnny was recently taken off as a cast member, as well. I realize of course that IMDb is often inaccurate, but all this sudden shuffling seems like it might indicative of such "turnover", which may mean that Warner Bros. may sell the rights to the film to someone else. We have been hearing that Warner Bros. (as well as many other studios) have cut back on the number of films they're greenlighting right now, because of the financial situation, and of all the films in Johnny's pipeline, this was the one we thought would take the longest and be the most expensive (an epic film with lots of location shots, and having to shoot around monsoon season in India). If Shantaram's future is truly in doubt (or gone altogether) it could free up his future time considerably. We know that Johnny is doing Rango in January, but that is just his voice for an animated film, so it might be done very quickly. There are rumblings that The Rum Diary might be next (and at this point we're not sure if Johnny is still going to act in it or just produce) but nothing is confirmed beyond Rango. On Tim Burton's side, my understanding is that he's doing Frankenweenie after Alice In Wonderland, but since that will be animated, I wonder how much actual hands-on time he will need for it. He was able to do Charlie And The Chocolate Factory and Corpse Bride pretty much simultaneously.
Anyway, I think a timeframe of DS shooting in 2010 to be released in 2011 is reasonable, and I will certainly be hoping for this! What i hope for next is some word that a script has been completed, because I think that will be necessary before they can really solidify a timeframe.
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Thanks for sharing the news on Shantaram. That is indeed one big relief. That would have been as you said one long shoot. It's funny how things go in life. When I went to today's convention I had no intention of asking Steele anything about the DS movie- it wasn't even a thought. I was actually taken back a bit when she brought up the movie and I could not resist asking her if she knew by any chance when the movie was going to be released. There was zero hesitation on her part and she spoke in an authoritative manner. It subsequently occurred to me that she may still have close ties to DCP as she was a co-producer on a number of Dan Curtis' projects. So she in fact may know the status of the movie as of today. I don't think she would have divulged more details as to its delay but when you only have a second to think, I did not think it was wise to attempt to pry more information from her although now I am second guessing myself. I am hoping that things change as they normally do in the movie business and/or that we get a confirmation on the movie's delay.
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You met Barbara! GOD that would make my life! LOL I would love to see her in the new movie not as Julia of course but it would be a nice wink and nod to have her and some of the originals. Also I wish THE FEST would realize that if they got Barbara Steele, I would go through hell and high water to get there. I would love to see the cast from all three shows there. I like variety though. [skull_winks]
I am not shocked she knows the status. I have a friend who met her in Dan's office about 8 years ago and she was working for him then. She probably knows David Kennedy pretty well and has worked with him!
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Hi Taeylor. Before I forget I want to wish you a very Happy Birthday!
I think she is great. I first met her at a DS Fest in 1992 I believe. I hope she is in the movie too. I don't think unfortunately that there is room for cameos or big parts for many of the past DS casts. But I am sure Depp will try to find some parts for the actors. I guess if Barbara feels that she does not think us fans want actors from the 1991 series to come to the Fest, then probably the other 1991 actors may feel the same and that is unfortunate. Hopefully JP will invite some of the '91 actors to come to next year's Fest. I now believe that Barbara does know what is happening with the movie. I just wish they push up production of the movie.
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Thanks for the Bday wish! Getting back on topic, I know it's not official but hearing this tibit of news made my bday all the more better! And I am sure BS is in the know. ;) [8_1_209]
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Thanks to Jimbo for the wonderful account of your meeting with Barbara Steele. I would love to hear more, but I imagine that you've already pretty much shared all there was to share.
The timeline she gives for the shooting and distro of Depp Shadows sounds realistic to me.
I came to look at this thread because I saw a news item somewhere a couple of days ago about a movie that Johnny Depp "and his girlfriend" (I'm not sure what was meant by this, since I thought that Depp lived with his wife of many years in France) have been working on has been delayed due to an injury suffered by a cast member. I happened to see this because an elderly British character actor I admire is in the cast and there was a link to the item from his IMDB page. It sounds as if Johnny Depp's schedule may be on the verge of further re-arrangement.
Although I am not a fan of 1991 Dark Shadows, knowing that Barbara Steele was going to attend a DS Festival would make that event much more interesting and attractive to me. As I have stated a number of times in the past, I enjoyed Steele's work on the 1991 Shadows enormously and have a huge admiration for her verve and artistry as an actress.
G.
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Oops! I double-checked that IMDB clipping and it proved to date to 8 years ago and a Terry Gilliam movie that Depp was involved with back then. So sorry for any confusion I may have created.
Interestingly, Dark Shadows is now on Depp's main page on the site with a projected 2011 release date listed.
G.
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Hi Gothick, you've already figured out the mystery movie, but to clarify real quickly, it was a film called The Man Who Killed Don Quixote, and it started filming in the fall of 2000. All kinds of things started going wrong (the elderly actor who took sick was French actor Jean Rochefort, who would've played Don Quixote, there was also a flood in Spain where they were shooting, and various other problems), so that the plug was pulled after only 6 days of filming. The whole sordid story is told in the documentary, Lost In La Mancha. Vanessa Paradis, Johnny's romantic partner of over 10 years (they have never officially married but consider themselves married and have 2 children together), would have been in the film, and it would have been the only time they've ever worked together on a film.
I'm not surprised the story has surfaced again, because every chance Gilliam gets, he is only too happy to tell the media that he is getting the funding together and the rights back to do the film again, and when he does, that Johnny will be in it. For Johnny's part, Johnny has said for years that if Terry gets the project going again, he's in. (No word on whether Vanessa would also be in it). Johnny is very loyal to his friends, and I think the Man Who Killed Don Quixote issue is one of the reasons he stepped in so quickly to do Gilliam's The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus after Heath Ledger's death. I do think that Johnny would try his best to be in Don Quixote if he can do it. However, I've become pretty skeptical of Gilliam in recent years- all his projects are either flops or seem jinxed. Though it's theoretically possible, I don't think it's likely this will get off the ground again any time soon. Johnny may be old enough to play Don Quixote by the time it happens! [hall2_grin]
I'm even more excited about the Barbara Steele remarks now that I know she has been connected with DCP. I really hope that the timeframe she has described will pan out!!
Cathy
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It only "popped up" because I was looking at Peter Vaughan's page on IMDB and Vaughan was among those cast in that ill-fated venture.
I believe Peter Vaughan is retired now, although he may occasionally do roles in television projects done in London studios. I just enjoyed his bravura performance as the treacherous Horace Dorrington in two episodes on a greymarket set of Rivals of Sherlock Holmes (1971-73) DVDs I acquired from a dealer in England.
G.
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It only "popped up" because I was looking at Peter Vaughan's page on IMDB and Vaughan was among those cast in that ill-fated venture.
I see, thanks. Gilliam does continue to speak about the project quite regularly, though. I would imagine there will have to be a lot of cast changes if it ever gets re-done.
Cathy
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Can't say as I agree with everything in this blog entry. But, as always, I pass it along:
I'm Worried About Johnny Depp (http://sonnydrysdalepresents.blogspot.com/2008/10/im-worried-about-johnny-depp.html)
(And Mr. Drysdale might want to consider proofreading before posting. He might have actually caught at least a few of his typos. 2111?! Yes, we WILL all be dead by then. [hall2_wink])
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I don't agree with everything. And 1778?? I guess it's a typo however, if it isn't, he doesn't seem like a well educated fan.
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I don't agree with everything. And 1778?? I guess it's a typo however, if it isn't, he doesn't seem like a well educated fan.
Well, we might as well add another year to the ever changing date when Josette died... Let's see... 1795, 1796, 1797, 1790... Why not throw 1778 in there just for good measure? [hall2_grin]
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I don't doubt that the writer of the blog is a DS fan. However, it would have made his argument better if he indeed checked the facts. The writer seems to be very passionate about DS and also very frustrated and rightfully so about how Depp and company don't appear to be interested in getting this movie made in the near future. Sure we just heard from Burton saying that he remains interested in doing the movie when he gets a chance. What does that exactly mean? The lack of information on this project is absolutely frustrating. I think the DS franchise has taken a hit by not providing the media of any progress on its development. We had to hear from E.W. that the DS movie has been pushed back and by other sources? I mean do we really need to find out information on the movie's developments from Peter Segal when he let slip in an unrelated interview that J. August was writing the D.S. script with Burton directing it? Only then did we subsequently hear from Shadowgram about these developments. (I am not specifically blaming Shadowgram but the individuals who provide it with confirmed information). Then we got some more possible inadvertent information from Ms. Steele. It seems to me we should be receiving this information directly from Shadowgram or any of the other of the DS producers in a timely manner.
P.S. Thanks Gothick. I wish I had additional information or better "news"? to provide.
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A brief 2011 DS movie reference:
http://thephoenix.com/BLOGS/outsidetheframe/archive/2008/10/31/undead-reckoning.aspx
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What an appropriate newspaper for it to mentioned in! I love it! HA [hall2_wink] HAPPY HALLOWEN!!! Maybe the movie will premiere in 2011 during this time of year!! [skelleton_runs]
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Thanks Taeylor.
Article here about Pirates 4 possibly scheduled to be released in 2012 and The Lone Ranger script almost finished as per its producer. Wish the DS producers were this open. Hey its my 500th post.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/piratesnews.php?id=50225
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i heard an interview at work today with anne hathaway. i work at video post production place and we feed video to places. i dont know where it was going or what show it was for but she declared that she was beginning filming today on tim burton's "alice in wonderland" with depp.
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I have no idea if this photo is real. Somehow I doubt it is (it seems more like some DS fan tried his/her hand at image manipulation. [hall2_wink]) But IF it is, how appropriate would the tattoo be for the future Barnabas? [hall2_smiley]
Check out: Johnny Depps Chest Tattoo: Celebrity Photo (http://www.firstclassfashionista.com/archives/2499#comment-5307)
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A friend of mine said he heard the Depp DS project is no more, anyone know any more about this??
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A friend of mine said he heard the Depp DS project is no more, anyone know any more about this??
No offense to your friend, but he probably read one or more of the ridiculous reports that were posted on a few Web sites a few weeks ago. It all started with a misleading report in Entertainment Weekly:
The October 10, 2008 issue (#1015) of Entertainment Weekly states on page 11
that was subsequently dispelled by an interview with Tim Burton:
Tim Burton did with a blogger from the LA Times
and a personal encounter with Barbara Steele:
I attended the Chillertheatre convention in New Jersey today and met Barbara Steele
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I have no idea if this photo is real. Somehow I doubt it is (it seems more like some DS fan tried his/her hand at image manipulation. [hall2_wink]) But IF it is, how appropriate would the tattoo be for the future Barnabas? [hall2_smiley]
The photo is definitely a fake. Johnny does indeed have a number of tattoos, and the ones you can see on his arms in that picture are real. But the photo was taken in 1995 by William Maser, when he had no tattoos on his chest:
http://www.deppography.com/Depp/item.php?q=1995-00-00-PS-Maser_04911
Now, he does have one tattoo on his chest- in 1999, he got one of his daughter's name, Lily-Rose, as can be seen in this photo that was used for the cover of Rolling Stone earlier this year:
http://www.deppography.com/Depp/item.php?q=2008-01-00-PS-Rolston_01784
but no "Fangxious" :)
I do wish we would hear some word about the status of DS, but I suspect there won't be anything newsworthy for them to announce until the script is completed. So, I will cross my fingers for that to happen soon!
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The Depp/DS film is referenced as part of a Twilight article and how vampires in general are currently competing "to get their fangs into fans."
Check out: Hit & Run: Heroes with bite (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/hit-and-run/hit--run-heroes-with-bite-1012009.html)
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Another article about how hot vampires are these days and a DS Depp mention.
http://justpressplay.net/movies/movie-news/4289-those-vampires-theyre-so-hot-right-now.html
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Here's an interesting article:
The World Can't Wait to Love Johnny Depp in Dark Shadows (http://blogs.amctv.com/horror-hacker/2008/11/johnny-depp-dark-shadows.php)
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MB that was a very nice article you posted above this one.
John August answered a question at his website on how long it should take a script to be written. In part he said:
"Im hesitant to give a firm number for how many weeks it should take to write a script. Every project is different. Big Fish took me the better part of four months, while Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was three weeks. But part of the reason Charlie was only three weeks was because thats all the time there was. There was already a release date, and sets were being built." You can see the entire article at his website www.johnaugust.com
I lost track of time but I still say the DS script has been completed months ago although I could be easily wrong.
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That was a good article however, I think it's great Madonna was a fan. Like her or not, no one can deny the ideliable mark she has made on POP CULTURE, let alone the music scene. Seeing her live just proved to me that I doubt I will ever see this kind of "ARTIST" in my lifetime again. [santa_grin]
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Some good news and some bad news regarding the DS film. The good news is that a new Variety article continues to assure us that the film is still on tap, and confirms (?) Johnny in the role of Barnabas. The bad news is that the Variety article announces yet another upcoming project for Johnny's production company, in which Johnny will likely star: "The Hand Of Dante." Further bad news (for DS fans anyway, not for Depp fans) is that the article confirms that The Rum Diary will start filming in March. This follows the voice work that Johnny is doing in January for the animated film Rango. So in other words, there's still a lot on Johnny's plate, and although DS is mentioned, there is no new information on it. But I'm very pleased that it's still being mentioned. And remember that it still has a 16 month lead on The Hand Of Dante, which will need to now find someone to write the script, yadda-yadda.
See the article:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117996716.html?categoryId=13&cs=1 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117996716.html?categoryId=13&cs=1)
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I think the really bad news is that Shantaram is officially back on Depp's schedule (there had been some speculation in the media that the project was on shaky grounds) and that is going to be a very long shoot. It's probable that Depp is going to film Shantaram prior to DS. I am not that excited as this article's writer:
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=14742
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Although Shantaram is mentioned in the Variety article, I noticed that unlike DS, there was no mention of Johnny starring in Shantaram (nor the other projects that were listed). Of course, I guess we won't know for sure until/unless something is announced, but it's possible that Johnny is no longer interested in starring in the movie, only in producing it. It would certainly be a huge commitment compared with other potential projects, and now Mumbai is not a safe place to be right now. So I still take the article (cautiously) as a good sign with regard to DS.
Crossing fingers...
Cathy
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This article and video clip indicates that Tim Burton's next project is Dark Shadows and to be filmed next summer?
http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/news/14529
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This article and video clip indicates that Tim Burton's next project is Dark Shadows and to be filmed next summer?
Woo-hoo, the man has spoken!! [santa_smiley] [santa_thumb] [santa_cheesy] The timing seems just right- just after The Rum Diary. And what's best is that Zanuck volunteered the information. Very cool!!! Now we can start speculating about the story, the characters, and the cast!
Cathy
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Another article about this latest possible development. Hopefully a confirmation will be coming soon.
http://www.collider.com/entertainment/interviews/article.asp/aid/10021/tcid/1
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It'll be nice to see a printed news item as confirmation, but Richard Zanuck's word is about as good as it gets!! Boy, this is really starting to hit me now, and I'm really excited!!
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Wonderful news!
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The story's been picked up (from the Collider source) by Empire Online and ComingSoon.net.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23813 (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23813)
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=51008 (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=51008)
Cathy
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I guess by shooting 'in London' he means on sets/indoors, and probably with 'outdoor shots' elsewhere? I'm sure they wouldn't be setting dark shadows in a city. But anyway, great news!
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I guess by shooting 'in London' he means on sets/indoors, and probably with 'outdoor shots' elsewhere?
I hope that would be it. Except that even some of the "outdoor shots" may be done in a studio. Tim has done several of his films at Pinewood Studios, in/near London, with totally reconstructed indoor sets, even for many of the outdoor scenes. These include Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd, and I think Big Fish. If he does this for DS, too, I hope that he'll try to get at least some location shots in New England- I think it'd be a shame not to. And geez, I certainly hope that the film will be *set* in Maine, and not changed to England. And I hope that most of the cast will be American, or at least use American/New England accents. (Johnny can do a "cousin-from-England" accent if he wishes [santa_wink] )
Cathy
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well if its set in london wouldn't they have to change it to "a cousin from america"? lol
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I could envision Cornwall standing in for Maine. (or the rocky beach below the Cliff Walk at Newport, to be more exact.)
I would be fine having Brits play some of the roles--such as Roger, Elizabeth, and Stokes. They would have that classic edge that would provide at least some of what made the original series so extraordinary--because of the training and theatrical experience several of the principle players had.
G.
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Ah, I suppose if he could create Sleepy Hollow in London studios, DS will be just fine - though yes, it would be very nice to see big houses overlooking the Maine coast (or something that looks like it.) We already know that Helena Bonham Carter will play a role, so I imagine it will be a fairly mixed cast, but still having the setting of the US.
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Here are several of the more interesting Internet postings:
Johnny Depp and Tim Burton will team up Again for Dark Shadows (http://www.geektyrant.com/2008/12/johnny-depp-and-tim-burton-will-team-up-again-for-dark-shadows/)
Scary Monsters & Super Creeps, The Casting Conch
Johnny Depp and Tim Burton Team Up: Part Eleventy (http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/mwop/moviefile/2008/12/johnny-depp-and-tim-burton-tea.php)
(Interesting how this one provides supposed details of the film's plot even though at this point there haven't been any mentions of what the script is really about.)
Tim Burton and Johnny Depp set to reunite for Dark Shadows (http://chattahbox.com/entertainment/2008/12/04/tim-burton-and-johnny-depp-set-to-reunite-for-%E2%80%9Cdark-shadows%E2%80%9D/)
Johnny Depp And Tim Burton To Shoot Dark Shadows Next Year? (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2008/12/04/johnny-depp-and-tim-burton-to-shoot-dark-shadows-next-year/)
(This one is already pitting Depp against Twilight's Robert Pattinson.)
Report: Tim Burton and Johnny Depp to work on Dark Shadows movie next summer in London!!! (http://brocknroll.wordpress.com/2008/12/04/report-tim-burton-and-johnny-depp-to-work-on-dark-shadows-movie-next-summer-in-london/)
Depp, Burton in Dark Shadows
Goth soap opera movie will be duo's next project. (http://movies.ign.com/articles/935/935596p1.html)
(This one is smart enough to stick with the plot of the original series.)
Dark Shadows definite! (http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=14759)
(Lisa Marie? Somehow, now that Burton is married to HBC, I tend to doubt Lisa Marie will be anywhere in sight in the film. ;))
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YAY! I am officially excieted. Please no HBC as Victoria though! LORD! I can take her as Julia, but not Victoria. She is too old. Great news though! :)
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this is great news!
filming in london doesn't bother me...the climate seems more evocative of maine than palm trees and the blazing california sun of the 1991 series.
i'm sure they will continue to set the story in maine.
has it been confirmed that hbc will have a role or are we just assuming that based on burton's past work?she's actually almost old enough to play a youngish liz.she has the stature.
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Since the movie will start filming next summer in London, does it mean the movie will be release in the summer of 2010 or maybe Halloween or Christmas of 2010?
One article said 2011. I wonder why that long?
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Some more articles:
Can Tim Burton Convert Over 1000 Hours of TV into One "Dark Shadows" Movie? (http://io9.com/5102209/can-tim-burton-convert-over-1000-hours-of-tv-into-one-dark-shadows-movie)
(Although, why they would even begin to wonder how the entire original series could be distilled into one film is beyond comprehension. :-\)
Lost Johnny Depp Project Steps Out Of the 'Shadows' (http://www.fearnet.com/news/b13952_lost_johnny_depp_project_steps_out_of.html)
(Of course, only the people who bought into the foolishness that was spread around the Internet would be surprised that the film is no longer "lost." ::))
[Movies] Depp and Burton Moving Forward with Dark Shadows (http://www.411mania.com/movies/news/91755/%5BMovies%5D-Depp-and-Burton-Moving-Forward-with-Dark-Shadows.htm)
(This one is more interesting for the fact that people can't spell Barnabas or Angelique. ::))
Dark Shadows for Tim Burton and Johnny Depp (http://gordonandthewhale.com/dark-shadows-for-tim-burton-and-johnny-depp/)
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MSCBRYK, I think we are just assuming that HBC will be in it. I wouldn't mind if she wasn't however, I think most would agree that she will be. Nepotism! Oh well at least she can act! :)
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The article said that Depp owns the rights to the series. Does that mean he owns the rights to make it into a motion picture or does he owns the rights to Dark Shadows altogether?
Anyway, I hope they will have a few of the original cast members making cameo appearances in the movie.
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Depp owns the rights to make a film.
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This is the most positive thing that I have heard yet. Summer 2009.. Yeah! [santa_grin]
P.S. I love the Christmasy look of the board!
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If its true about filming in the summer won,t they have to start casting soon/
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Literally dozens of entertainment/horror sites have picked up and are reporting Richard Zanuck's comments. One major site that's conspicuously absent: EW.com. Gee, I wonder why that is? [santa_rolleyes] Could it be that they don't want to call attention to the completely wrong impression they derived from Depp's deal with Disney and they're hoping people will just forget about it? No - that couldn't possibly be it. [santa_grin]
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That is very true MB. Can you imagine that of all the "respected" publications including online .com pages out there that EW would not want to report a major Johnny Depp breaking story. It must have been a simple oversight on its part. jk Perhaps now they will feel obligated to give the DS movie a great review.
For a movie that is allegedly going to be filming in 6-8 months can we now assume that the movie is officially in the pre-production stage although it is not stated as such? If not, aren't they cutting it close by not already having a cast in place, various contracts signed, a budget set in place, sets built etc...? Perhaps this project is further along than we thought? I also wonder if Twilight's success made WB ask Depp/Burton to push the project up on their schedule.
The good thing is there will be an actual DS movie panel at next year's Festival-fingers crossed of course.
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Good point MB about EW not wanting to own up to their mistakes! When they made that flip little back burner remark, I didn't take them at their word, but I didn't realize how much damage it would do, in the sense that everyone seemed to believe it. So I hope they will be more careful in the future, or they will begin to have the same reputation as all those tabloids that keep saying that Johnny is going to play Roger Moore [santa_cheesy]
jimbo, I agree with you that they are probably already making preparations for a summer shoot- since they know where they are filming, they could well be building sets and the like. I don't think a cast necessarily has to be in place this far in advance- often for films that Johnny is in, the rest of the cast gets announced gradually in the months leading up to, and sometimes even after filming has begun. But I do agree that now is probably the time when they're contacting potential cast members to have them read the script and see who's interested, negotiating what their salaries would be, etc. I'll bet that in the spring, we'll hear of the filming start date and start to hear of other cast members--- so exciting! [8_2_59]
If any of you casting agents are out there, Cillian Murphy for Quentin (if there is a Quentin), and Charlize Theron for Angelique! [santa_smiley]
Cathy
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Madscntst you are probably right about that it is not imperative at this point to have a cast in place. What I am thinking of if the DS producers wanted someone like Anne Hathaway wouldn't they need to "book" her at this stage knowing she has many projects she may be considering? At least there is sufficient time to do the casting unlike the WB 2004 pilot where the producers had what a whole month to complete the casting. These are exciting times.
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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/66626-casting-shadows/
Interesting diatribe on DS casting.. likely not even 0.1% accurate but fun to speculate nonetheless. . i do enjoy that they dismiss HBC as a Julia Hoffman and find Grayson:
quote from article: "Dr. Julia Hoffman - it is literally impossible to replace the gaunt gal gravitas of Grayson Hall. She was all nicotine-stained bone structure and maiden aunt magnificence."
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Interesting article, thanks Julia! They picked Cillian for Quentin, yayyy!!! And I like the idea of Paul Giamatti as Willie Loomis. I love Judi Dench but think she's probably too old to be Elizabeth (unless Carolyn Stoddard is cast a little older than 18). I think Maggie Gylenhaal is all wrong to play Vicki (too earthy and not conventionally pretty) but I think she'd be great as her namesake, Maggie Evans. So I'd switch their choices and cast Beckinsale as Vicki. I like the idea of Joan Allen as Julia. I love Naomi Watts but somehow don't picture her as Angelique- I'll stick with Charlize Theron as my favorite. I think Freddie Highmore is already too old to play David- I think he's about 14 now. I wouldn't be so sure that Count Petofi or Aristede would even be in the cast, but who knows. Have I mentioned, this is exciting!!
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I AM so BEYOND excited!! :) [8_2_59] [8_2_74] [santa_cheesy]
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Hmmm. Something tells me the open letter to Tim Burton and Johnny Depp that appears in this article may have been written by the same Ed Gross who wrote the article and who is also likely the same Ed Gross who put together the DS Files set of books back in the '80s.
Check out: "Dark Shadows" Reunites Depp & Burton (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/HeroesWithFangs/news/?a=5369)
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I recently watched a series with Rachel Ward called "Rain Shadow"-made in Australia. It occurred to me that her character in that was similar to Julia Hoffman. She had the same abrupt yet caring demeanor, as well as those great cheekbones. I think she would make a great Dr. Hoffman!
[8_2_73] [8_2_73] [8_2_73]
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Rachel Ward (to me) looks to old to play Julia. She looks "rough" in her picture on IMDB.com I find Grayson much prettier than her. I thought the 1991 show did a good job at filling Graysons shoes. I hope that can find someone of the caliber on Barbara Steele to play Julia
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I've always been fond of the idea of Gillian Anderson or Miranda Otto (Eowyn in Lord of the Rings) as Julia. But I think the best thing would be not to see that character at all in a first film - I still think it's best to base the movie on Barnabas's origins and save the present day for a possible sequel(s).
A trilogy would be awesome, if Depp & co. would do it: 01)Barnabas's origins 02)1897 Quentin's introduction and 03) Present day characters. I think I would make it so Barnabas is unchained in a second movie in 1897, instead of messing with messy time travel plots. And then he and Quentin could show up again in the present day in the last film in the trilogy. That would be my dream there, but whatever they come up with, I'll look forward to it.
I hope they cast a younger unknown for Angelique. Theron would be great, but I think she's a bit too old and too known.
My dream Quentin would honestly be Jensen Ackles (Dean, Supernatural). And my picks for Josette would be Anne Hathaway, Natalie Portman or Lucy Griffiths (Marian in BBC's Robin Hood) - or a complete unknown, just like Angelique. I just hope they cast a capable actress. I want justice done to Josette so very much.
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Hmmm. Something tells me the open letter to Tim Burton and Johnny Depp that appears in this article may have been written by the same Ed Gross who wrote the article and who is also likely the same Ed Gross who put together the DS Files set of books back in the '80s.
Check out: (URL)
At years old Johnny Depp was watching DS? [DOB 6/8/63]
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I must admit this is my favorite thread to watch. You just can't find any info on the new DS movie anywhere else. I'm very happy that you guys are finding this stuff for us. [santa_thumb]
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Apparently Cillian Muphy fans (or at least one fan) are going into seizures of excitement over the suggestion that he should play Quentin.
Check out: Public Post! (http://chickenpattysan.livejournal.com/53671.html)
Also, Reelz Channel's Dailies has picked up the latest news. Check out: Dark Shadows film mentioned on Dailies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37neU5D9jj8)
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This interview adds that the movie will be filmed "late next summer".
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_ezine&task=read&page=1&category=2&article=5921
And thanks for the Reelz video, MB.
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Thanks jimbo! I can accept "late" next summer, as long as they keep confirming it! [8_2_74]
Cathy
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I personally think it would improve the chances of Depp Shadows being a decent movie in its own right if both the conceptualization of the characters and the casting of the actors to play them goes "outside the box" of trying to find types to match up with who we originally saw onscreen in the 1960s series.
Let's face it--they broke the mold when Grayson Hall took birth. Trying to find someone somehow "like" her for Julia is a waste of time. The Kelly Hu casting *could* have given an interesting slant to the character because thinking of her as an Asian American female professional immediately gives a very different context to the character's action in the Barnabas-out-of-his-coffin phase of the story.
Similarly, I would love to see a black, or mixed-race, actress in the role of Angelique. In fact, I was thinking about it this morning and thinking how interesting it would be if the story was told so that more audience sympathy was on the side of Angelique because she was not white and doomed to perpetual servitude and therefore had more of an axe to grind beyond Barn not wanting to marry her. In the original portrayal of the character in 1795, they gave her LOTS of dialogue about her own perception of her lot and how she was going to "show them all." I thought that made her much more interesting than the 1991 version where she's some kind of bat out of hell who is completely psychotic from the get-go. It wasn't at all nuanced or layered and frankly, I found her ridiculous rather than terrifying.
Unfortunately, American pop culture is now obsessed with narratives of apocalypse and ultimate evil (for obvious reasons), so I'm not sure that a three dimensional Angelique is on the cards. But I amused myself this morning imagining Angelique as the anti-heroine and Josette as a haughty, frigid bitch loved by Barnabas and cosseted by her family but not terribly attractive to the 21st century viewer.
I could write more but I'll stop. I could see Philip Seymour Hoffman having a great presence as Stokes, if that character is on board (seems unlikely).
G.
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Gothick!
I really loved your post! A lot to think about for sure.
If the movie does start shooting next summer, it will be a late 2010 release at the earliest.
Nancy
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Hi Nancy,
Thanks! If they go forward with what has been announced as the schedule (and of course, it could change radically at any moment), just when they will decide to release it is a toss-up. I remember when Serenity, the movie spinoff from Joss Whedon's Firefly series, was going to be released at Xmas one year, when it was discovered by the suits that it would be hitting the tarmac at the same time as some other pet blockbuster or other. As a result, the release was postponed--by SIX MONTHS.
Their release schedules are so shoehorned these days that I could easily see the movie sitting on a shelf for a couple of years post-production while they try to angle it into the optimum minimal-competition weekend. Hooray for Hollywood.
cheers, G.
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Warning - the following alert has been issued by Firefox:
Reported Attack Site!
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Attack sites try to install programs that steal private information, use your computer to attack others, or damage your system.
Some attack sites intentionally distribute harmful software, but many are compromised without the knowledge or permission of their owners.
jimbo has provided a new link to an unaffected site in reply #715, and we suggest you use that one instead of the link in this post
Glad WB and DS producers did not feel the same about Twilight's success being a negative as the Near Dark remake producer believes and kills his project. They must have realized that DS is more than just a vampire show. In any event the DS movie will compete with Twilight sequels due in 2009 and 2010.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=23864
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Hmm, I'm receiving a Google alert that empireonline.com is infected and therefore blocked.
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That's very odd. The link still works for me. Maybe it works for me because I am already infected . Kidding I hope. Hope it eventually works.
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Hmm, I'm receiving a Google alert that empireonline.com is infected and therefore blocked.
I get the same alert. I believe it's a new and very welcomed addition to Firefox. The alert doesn't come up in other browsers.
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Yep, the browser identified malicious trojans and a worm on the site. You might want to run a virus scan to be on the safe side. Do it for me, pretty please?
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Sorry about all this mess. The article originated from http://www.darkhorizons.com/news08/081212i.php which is a popular site. I ran a Norton quick scan and no viruses showed up.
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It's not your fault, jimbo - you had no way of knowing. But just to be safe, I've added a warning to your original post. [santa_smiley]
As for the Near Dark remake, the original version is one of my favorite vampire films (and I snapped up the two disc DVD set as soon as it was released back in '02), but I was looking forward to seeing how they might update it. Apparently I'll have to wait longer...
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Thanks MB and Midnite. I will stay away from said site in the future. We have posted links to said site previously see 675 in this topic. I guess this is something new?
In any event it is unfortunate about the Near Dark remake not being made at this point in time.
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Thanks for the new link, jimbo, and for humoring me-- I'm glad your system is okay. Until the site is removed from Google's list of unsafe webpages, that other link in Reply #675 will give Firefox users the same message. But as MB and I know all too well from the number of times a Googlebot meets up with our security, their bots return to check sites quite often. [santa_rolleyes]
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Thanks Midnite for your concern. My computer is fine but not its operator. jk Infections are indeed a serious matter and I am always performing full computer scans almost on a daily basis. These are crazy times and with one little worm your personal information could be stolen but that is for another topic. Thanks for being on top of things for us.
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as MB and I know all too well from the number of times a Googlebot meets up with our security, their bots return to check sites quite often.
There's no longer a Google alert for the Empire site.
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My apologies if this has already been posted. There's a fascinating article about the casting for the new DS movie at http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/66626-casting-shadows/ (http://www.popmatters.com/pm/post/66626-casting-shadows/) Some interesting ideas for who should play our faves.
Countess
(link edited by admin; also, see reply #695)
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I LOVE this open letter to Tim Burton! Check out: Barnabus Collins must have a penis (http://patchkit.livejournal.com/6265.html)
(And for a change I'm completely willing to overlook the misspelling of Barnabas. [santa_wink])
Considering that so, so many of Barnabas' decisions/motivations/mistakes on the original series were made with/driven by/caused by his penis, it's completely inconceivable to imagine the Barnabas character without one. [santa_evil]
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OMG, I love that letter!
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Oh my gosh-- that was Brilliant!! And oh, so true. Thanks for finding that, MB!
P.S. It's not a certainty, but most folks suspect that Johnny has actually - gasp - quit smoking recently. If not, he has cut way, way down. He used to be a horrible chain-smoker, but nobody's seen him with a ciggie, even in paparazzi shots, for nearly 2 years. And he has spoken about trying to quit or cut down for his kids' sake. So if so, good for him [santa_thumb]
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Amazing letter! I loved it! It gave me shivers..... [gorgeous] [love10] [love7]
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The most interesting in the latest batch of articles that still continue to pop up regarding Richard Zanuck's recent remarks.
Check out: Suave Vampire is Back in Depps Dark Shadows (http://catsworking.wordpress.com/2008/12/17/suave-vampire-is-back-in-depp%E2%80%99s-%E2%80%9Cdark-shadows%E2%80%9D/)
(It's also interesting to read the totally surprised reactions from people who were so sure Depp was going to be in the next Batman movie - even though that was denied over and over again by numerous sources - now that Eddie Murphy has supposedly been cast. (And I say "supposedly" because who knows if that's even true or not? [santa_undecided]) The people who honestly believed those rumors about Depp, despite the emphatic denials, will apparently believe almost anything they read on the Internet. [santa_rolleyes])
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I think that open letter is sexist, homophobic, immature, and stupid (but as the title says, the author has no problems with being that way.) Claiming that just because some people don't give a damn about someones pathetic, false view of "masculinity" means they aren't sexual and don't have organs is ridiculous.
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That open letter is hilarious! Thanks for finding and posting it!
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I rather liked the bit about Barnabas's "two-room mansion" [stfl]
ProfStokes
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I can appreciate your point, tragicbat - but I have to confess that I simply approached the article from the Barnabas angle. We've often commented here on the forum that all too frequently Barnabas doesn't use the head on his shoulders to make his decisions and that a decidedly below waist part of his anatomy rules. From that POV, the article is spot on.
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And here's a perfect example:
Barnabas (looking on with palpably aching desire at comatose Roxanne, obviously fitted with bullet-bra from Grayson's Playtex gig): "Oh! ... she is ... so beautiful!"
Julia (rolls eyes): *multiple expletives deleted*
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One can only hope, as this article says, that Depp will make his Barnabas "A mysterious, mature Don Juan DeMarco with fangs." [santa_smiley]
Check out: Loving True Blood in Dallas: 'Dark Shadows' with Johnny Depp filming London summer '09 (http://lovingtruebloodindallas.blogspot.com/2008/12/dark-shadows-remake-with-johnny-depp.html)
(Though people who don't really have their facts straight probably shouldn't share things like the info in the first comment. [santa_rolleyes] Rosecliffe is a beautiful house, and it has been a filming location for many projects - but Collinwood it is not.)
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Are they talking about the Rosecliffe house in Newport, RI ?
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Rosecliffe is a beautiful house, and it has been a filming location for many projects - but Collinwood it is not.)
The heart-shaped staircase isn't Gothic enough? [santa_wink]
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Is there a reason why the IMDB website removed the entire DS movie production details, discussion board, articles etc... from its page? Now it seems you have to join and pay IMDB pro to access that information. It's been that way for at least the past two days at least from my server. Doesn't sem to be fair. Perhaps it is only temporary.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
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Don't count on it being temporary. Imbd has made the "transission" from being an entirely free website to being a predominantly pay site. It still offers some freebies, like quick description of films, performers, etc., but if you want more than that, you've now got to dish out almost thirteen bucks a month for the privilege. That's over $150 a year. Yeah, right, as if that's going to happen in this economy.
Gerard
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Thanks Gerard for the information. That is just pure greed on its part. That site was not crucial to us DS fans but it was a descent information site on the movie's development progress. So all those people that were using that site's discussion board now have to pay. The only post I made way back there got deleted for no known reason but I do feel for those posters. That is a ton of money these days.
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Well that just sucks. I used to acess imdb all the time for stuff but now it looks like we'll have to go elsewhere for our movie news. Bleh!
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i agree, buut i still use it. i'm on it everyday plus i never SERIOUSLY take to heart a LOT of what's on that board cause you NEVER know the site can be a LOT of the time full of B.S. & i'm NOT a member of that pro or whatever the hell it's called either. i ain't wasting my money on paying an arm or a leg to gain acess HELL NO! i actually don't know anyone who DOES pay for it. does anyone here?
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I am not paying as well for anything regarding the production of this movie. Of course the exception would be for ShadowGram which is well worth the money. The news should be available to us for free without subscribing to imbd. We should be able to get news for free as we have been here on the internet. There is another publication that seems to have an update on Dark Shadows although it is dated 12-11-08, issue 639 and they want something like over $50 a month to subscribe. http://www.productionweekly.com/
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screw that i ain't paying that. according to IMDB the film comes out in (2011) isn't that a bit TOO FAR OFF? or is this just me? i hope they are wrong though. & that's just a guess date.
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I just read online that Depp is on the cover of the next issue (January 9) of Entertainment Weekly. I wonder if we'll get any info about the DS film? Probably not because he's promoting Public Enemies. And, well, EW would have to address (or hope their readers have forgotten about) their mistaken impression from October. But you never know...
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I hope Depp says something about DS but knowing EW they will edit that part out. I am glad that Depp is not doing Shantaram in the near future as this article says it has been postponed a bit and not shelved. Whatever.
http://www.timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=24964
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This references the EW article mentioned above and states in part that Depp has completed his Mad Hatter role in the new Alice movie.
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=6017&Itemid=99
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Just a note... I mainly use the historical sections of IMDB and I just checked profiles for two long-ago actresses, Constance Collier and Edna May Oliver (I enjoyed the treat of seeing films with both ladies in them yesterday). I had no difficulty navigating around those pages and reading bio info, etc. for both.
I guess the pay-for material now extends to all movies that are currently under production.
The 2011 release date had been informally announced a few months ago.
G.
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I'm guessing no one got their EW in the mail today. Mine didn't come. But between the holiday being on Thursday and the recent weather, I'm not surprised by that. And sometimes when there's a holiday later in the week like that, my EW doesn't even come until Monday or Tuesday.
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Mine did. GREAT cover shot. The article itself and the photos seen inside the mag start on EW's home page (he has finished with Alice, it says), but the Q&A with him doesn't appear to be online. I was intrigued while reading about Depp's insights into Dillinger that he talks about his entering prison (as a victim of his own "ignorance and youth") when "the world was one thing," but found it quite different when he got out. Hmm, now what other character does that remind me of?
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Mine did.
Just as I anticipated, mine didn't come until today.
but the Q&A with him doesn't appear to be online.
Which is only fair. After all, people who only read EW online shouldn't get all the same stuff for free that subscribers and those who buy the issues on the newsstands do.
I was intrigued while reading about Depp's insights into Dillinger that he talks about his entering prison (as a victim of his own "ignorance and youth") when "the world was one thing," but found it quite different when he got out. Hmm, now what other character does that remind me of?
Gee, I can't imagine. [santa_wink]
And speaking of that character, does anyone else think that (if you ignore the guns and the money bag) the caricature on the TOC page looks an awful lot like it could also be him? Maybe it's the coat's collar...
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John August recently wrote at his website about his dealings with Warner Bros. some good and bad and that his next project is with them; not sure why he still can't name the project (3rd paragraph from bottom of article on Shazam). He also touches on the strike and provides other insights.
http://johnaugust.com/
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And speaking of that character, does anyone else think that (if you ignore the guns and the money bag) the caricature on the TOC page looks an awful lot like it could also be him? Maybe it's the coat's collar...
Yes! Or the spiky bangs.
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ya know what? i just can't wait until this film comes out! i have a feeling it's going to be good. i just HOPE THAT Tim Burton does by it right. & NOT make it a 90 minute movie like "Dan Curtis' did with the Orginal Films. & it's a damn shame that he's since passed on soo he can't see the finished product. i also hope that they make sequels to it. there really hasn't been any crappy films of Tim burton's that i haven't enjoyed of his. some are better than others granted but he's basically done MOSTLY GREAT films. plus i'm dying to see Johnny Depp pull this thing off, IF anyone can do it he can. i was watching Nightmare on elm street the original & it's just simply amazing that was his 1st film. & that to me that will at least until the DS film comes out, his BEST FILM! i know he's done a LOT WONDERFUL movies since than. but Nightmare On elm street for me is my favorite of his. by the way i see you changed the color to a nice color, the board i mean & i like it VERY much. [snow_wow]
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...there really hasn't been any crappy films of Tim burton's that i haven't enjoyed of his. some are better than others granted but he's basically done MOSTLY GREAT films. plus i'm dying to see Johnny Depp pull this thing off, IF anyone can do it he can.
Totally agree on both counts! Both guys couldn't be more perfect for this project in my opinion.
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CastleBee, I just have to tell you that I LOVE your corgi avatar and the pack of "Collinwood Corgis"! Do you raise them, or have some of your own? They are just delightful dogs!
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Do you raise them, or have some of your own? They are just delightful dogs!
Thanks rainingwolf. I currently have two Pembrokes...Nigel and Alexis (Lexie). If I was a corgi breeder I would have at least as many as seen in the Collinwood Corgi picture since I'd never be able to part with them. (One look from those liquid amber eyes and I'm a goner.) The corgi in my avatar is the late Casey Powlett-Jones - who was a Cardigan. Still miss him.
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As expected, I think-I lost track, that Depp's next project is The Rum Diary to be shooting in March and I am hoping that Dark Shadows would be next.
http://www.thebadandugly.com/2009/01/12/next-up-for-johnny-depp/
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Yes, The Rum Diary is still supposed to be next, after the project he's working on right now, the animated film Rango. (Unconfirmed reports say that Rango has already started- Johnny is doing voice work and some motion capture, and that it will only take 4 weeks). I'm a little concerned that other than the casting call for Chenault, there's been no real hard info for The Rum Diary, such as the rest of the cast or an actual start date, but I'm crossing my fingers that it all goes well.
I am holding on to my trust in Richard Zanuck that Dark Shadows will be next up after The Rum Diary, and that it will start filming at the end of summer, as he says. Please let it be so!!
Johnny was present at the Golden Globe Awards this past Sunday. He was last year's winner for Best Actor in a Comedy or Musical (for Sweeney Todd), and as is customary, he presented this year's Best Actress in a Comedy or Musical (to Sally Hawkins). We fans were waiting with bated breath during the Red Carpet preshow, hoping that he'd be interviewed and maybe he'd be able to give a few tidbits about DS or other upcoming projects. However, it just seemed like he showed up to present the award and was otherwise not really spotted there (he's a shy fellow [snow_smiley] ) But unfortunately, that was a missed interview opportunity.
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Apparently this woman was out of the loop until someone clued her in.
Check out: Butterfly Dreamer: Tribute To Johnny Depp , all the Vampire I will Ever Need (http://butterflydreamer-dreamlight.blogspot.com/2009/01/tribute-to-johnny-depp-all-vampire-i.html)
Just goes to show that even with all the publicity out there on the Internet, some Depp fans are still unaware...
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ya know what would be perfect? if he had something to do with the NEW nightmare on elm street remake. i don't mean he should reprise the role that he did when he was what 19? but maybe have a cameo like he did in part 6. IF they MUST have a remake of it. i was reading somewhere on a forum that they NEED to remake it & how Craven is a bad director but a good writer. while i disagree on what they said he's both a good director & a good writer. even if he hasn't done a good film in quite a few yrs. anyways that's a film they should just leave well enough alone ya know?
[Admin Note: The rest of this post has been quoted, split, and merged with "Dark Shadows: New Audio Dramas from Big Finish" on "Calendar Events / Announcements '09 I".]
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Considering that Gilliam has been overly optimistic about the project in the past, who knows how true this is? But for what it's worth: Gilliam's "Don Quixote" Resumes (http://www.movies.ie/html/article.aspx?articleid=3881). And if the film does come together this time, one would presume it would shoot after the DS film - but who knows...
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There's a clarification about shooting in this posting: Gilliam Resurrects 'Man Who Killed Don Quixote' (http://www.getthebigpicture.net/blog/2009/1/18/gilliam-resurrects-man-who-killed-don-quixote.html) that reads: "The director would like to begin filming this year, according to Empire, but it's all contingent on Johnny Depp's schedule." However, the original Empire posting doesn't quite say that: Gilliam Back To Work On Don Quixote (http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=24019)
On a completely different note, this fan hopes Depp's look for the DS film will resemble his look for Sleepy Hollow: Fascination With Fear: Depp as Barnabas? (http://fascinationwithfear.blogspot.com/2009/01/depp-as-barnabas-say-it-aint-so.html) Check out the photos she provides...
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Brief reference to John August as the DS writer for the movie and Frankenweenie.
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=9308
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Not to change the subject, but a guy that I work with was telling me that he remembers watching the show when he was a kid and run home from school to watch it.
I asked him has he heard about the upcoming DS movie with Johnny Depp. He said no. But after that, he thinks Depp is not the right person to play Barnabas.
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Here's are some more articles that mention August's involvement with Frankenweenie, Preacher and DS:
John August to pen 'Preacher' film (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117998904.html?categoryId=1350&cs=1)
(This article from Variety seems to indicate that the DS script was still being written as of January 21st.)
'Preacher' Finds Writer in 'Corpse Bride' Scribe John August (http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00021436.html)
John August tackling two film projects (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3ib43b7159feabcf532c2848ccd94dd34c)
John August Writing 'Preacher' to Tempt Sam Mendes (http://www.cinematical.com/2009/01/22/john-august-writing-preacher-to-tempt-sam-mendes/)
John August To Write Preacher, Frankenweenie (http://www.vfxworld.com/?sa=adv&code=3631a5a1&atype=news&id=26123)
John August Pulls Switch on Tim Burton's 'Frankenweenie' 3D! (http://www.fearnet.com/news/b14449_john_august_pulls_switch_on_tim_burtons.html)
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Article suggests that Tim Burton is applying pressure on the cast of his Alice movie to prevent details from leaking out to the public. His style may be the same with the DS movie as it appears to be these days.
http://www.cumberlink.com/articles/2009/01/29/opinion/lunchtime_blog/doc498090bd638e2657680981.txt
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Article suggests that Tim Burton is applying pressure on the cast of his Alice movie to prevent details from leaking out to the public. His style may be the same with the DS movie
I honestly hope that Burton is able to keep a lid on much of the Depp/DS film - at least plotwise. There's nothing worse than knowing practically everything about a film before seeing it, which was the case with hoDS. One magazine even published a nearly complete synopsis (save for the very end) of hoDS! Spoilers are most definitely not a current/Internet phenomenon...
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Me too, MB. There usually isn't any reason for the public to know anything about a planned project beforehand. The secrecy makes it all the more something to look forward to and I am definitely looking forward to seeing how this project turns out.
I honestly hope that Burton is able to keep a lid on much of the Depp/DS film - at least plotwise. There's nothing worse than knowing practically everything about a film before seeing it, which was the case with hoDS. One magazine even published a nearly complete synopsis (save for the very end) of hoDS! Spoilers are most definitely not a current/Internet phenomenon...
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I agree with you MB regarding that steps should be taken to safeguard the plot to the DS movie especially in light of the fact that the writer make take us on a different journey from the previous storylines ie... how and by whom Barnabas is discovered, what time period will they open the movie with etc.... I do think that having actors deny that they are in a movie is a bit too much for me if that is what is being asked of them.
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I'm just guessing that maybe it is easier to simply deny being involved in a project that way the questions will stop or at least stop for the moment. The mantra answer being "I'm not involved."
I do think that having actors deny that they are in a movie is a bit too much for me if that is what is being asked of them.
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I agree with you Nancy on your post. It does make allot of sense. I guess in Hollywood ethics and honesty may not be the wisest approach in dealing with the hounding media. That is unfortunate and I don't agree with it but I guess it is necessary at certain times. Now if Johnny Depp denies he is playing Barnabas Collins.........
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Yes, that will be quite funny if he does, lol. [snow_silly]
Now if Johnny Depp denies he is playing Barnabas Collins.........
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According to this article, Depp's The Rum Diary begins shooting in March. http://www.zap2it.com/movies/news/zap-amberheardjoinsjohnnydepprumdiary,0,5311434.story
ProfStokes
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Depp's The Rum Diary begins shooting in March.
That would certainly seem to jibe with what we've been led to believe about the DS film. If things are still on track as Richard Zanuck claimed, the Depp/DS film won't begin shooting until sometime in late summer, and I would take that to mean somewhere about August/September. In time for some updates at this year's Fest? One can only hope... [snow_wink]
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Yes, as far as we know, Johnny's recent film schedule has all been going according to plan so far. Alice In Wonderland has now supposedly wrapped and is in post-production. There is word from a reliable source or two that the animated film Rango is going on right now- it involves both voice work and some motion capture and was only planned to take about 4 weeks (for the actors, not the animation). Quite a few cast members have been announced recently, though there is very little information yet about the actual story. Since it's not coming out until 2011 (animated films take a lot of time!) I think they want to keep as much info as they can under wraps for now. The Rum Diary is supposed to begin filming in Puerto Rico on March 29 or 30, and Amber Heard, the actress the above article is about, is the only other cast member besides Johnny who's been announced so far (though there are some rumors about Jack Nicholson). I *think* there was an article that was estimating how long the filming would take, and it's not too long- 45 or 50 days, maybe?
I take all of the above as a great sign that nothing going on before DS is being delayed or extended, so I hope that the late summer DS start date will be firmed up and officially confirmed before we all go nuts with anticipation [snow_blush]
Cathy
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An article lamenting about all the casting rumors that seem to surface frequently on the Internet regarding Depp, which also happens to reference his casting in the DS film. Rumors regarding Depp have been commented on/lamented about more than once in this topic, so it's nice to see we're not the only ones.
Check out: Ugh, More Johnny Depp Casting Rumors (http://www.ropeofsilicon.com/article/ugh-more-johnny-depp-casting-rumors)
(I thought the Three Stooges rumor was way out there when I read about it earlier in the week. But who knows...)
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That was a cute blog, except for the fact that they seem to be blaming the fans ("goo-goo for Depp") when I think it's really In Touch and all the other gossip magazines and sites who are just trying to sell magazines and get hits to their sites. But geez, give it a rest sometimes! [snow_grin]
(I'm presuming for now the Three Stooges rumor is just wishful thinking on the Farrelly Brothers' part, though I actually think Johnny would probably have a ball doing those pratfalls [snow_laugh] )
Cathy
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I had no idea that Depp had auditioned for Caleb (the part Adrian Pasdar ultimately played) in Near Dark. Who knew Depp might have played a vampire 22 years ago? (Well, except for maybe madscntst. [snow_cheesy])
Check out: forces of geek: Saturday Triple Feature! Vampires, Monsters, Cyborgs! (http://www.forcesofgeek.com/2009/02/saturday-triple-feature-vampires.html) (for several bits of interesting trivia).
And this person has an interesting take on what Depp is striving to achieve with his career. Too bad the forum's censored word feature won't allow me to actually type it here. [snow_laugh]
Check out: Johnny Depp Does the Doors (http://www.spincity.org/blog/?p=2559)
Maybe he'll achieve it after he plays Barnabas. [snow_bigglass]
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Too much show biz stuff. Just give me the facts.
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How can anyone hate The Doors? [scratch]
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I had no idea that Depp had auditioned for Caleb (the part Adrian Pasdar ultimately played) in Near Dark. Who knew Depp might have played a vampire 22 years ago? (Well, except for maybe madscntst. [snow_cheesy])
Actually, I've never heard this before! Wow, and cool! I only just rented this film recently, and enjoyed seeing Adrian Pasdar in something else besides Heroes.
As for the Doors thing, it was reported by entertainment blogger Nicki Finke a few days ago. The film is done and has already shown at the Sundance Film Festival, with the director narrating, but word is that they're going to replace the narration with an improved one. The director was to have announced Johnny's involvement at the Berlin Film Festival, which is going on now, but I haven't seen anything official yet. Don't fret about this, as I think that all that'll be required for it is a day or two in a recording studio. Shouldn't interfere with any actual movie filming. (Johnny voiced a Spongebob Squarepants episode, too, and that'll be out on DVD next month [snow_laugh] )
I do agree that Barnabas will make him THE coolest!!
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How can anyone hate The Doors? [scratch]
I can get behind hating Windows, but I don't get hating The Doors. [snow_laugh]
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Ha! Yeah, "Do not lean on The Doors." [snow_wink]
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Not to change the subject here but I had a thought that I don't know if anyone else had brought it up before, if so, let me apologize in advance. I had this great idea about the first DS film taking place 200 years ago when Barnabas first became a vampire. The first movie would end with Barnabas' father chaining him in his coffin. Then in the sequel, they could call it "Dark Shadows II, Barnabas Unchained" . Boy that would be way too cool.What do you guys think? [snow_blush]
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I have wondered how they will tell the story in the movie. Will it be about when Barnabas became a vampire in 1795 or will it take place in the present when Willie unleashed Barnabas from in coffin?
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That's the million dollar question at the moment. And there seems to be as many fans who would like to see the film done in the past as in the present. It will certainly be interesting to see which way the script goes...
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My preference is that they start with Barnabas as a human, and end the film with him chained in his coffin.
If they made a trilogy, mine would go like this:
01) Barnabas becomes a vampire in 1795
02) Barnabas is unchained in 1897 and we get to see the Quentin/werewolf storyline along with Barnabas being a vampire.
03) Barnabas and Quentin, both immortals, are in the present day with the present day characters.
By making 1897 take place between Barnabas's origins and the present day Collins family, you bypass all the messy time travel crap while still getting to use one of the most popular characters and storylines in the show (Quentin).
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Interesting. That timeline could work nicely. [snow_smiley]
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Yeah but what exactly would motivate the 1897 storyline? In the original having the ghost haunting the house was the only reason to care what happened in 1897 ...
I think having (1) Present day, (2) 1795 would made the most sense. Trilogy wouldn't be likely to work very well ...
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As a stand alone movie, unsure of its success, Barnabas's origins is the best starting point. It has a perfect beginning, middle and end. It's tragic, it's gothic, it's horror filled...it's pretty much everything. It's epic. And with Burton on board as director, I think he could rock a period film (loved Sleepy Hollow).
I would definitely choose the 1700s as the starting point.
Barnabas being unchained from the coffin can start 1897 and the audience would care because it would be seen through Barnabas's eyes (the lead character). Naturally, he would go to meet the current family once he was freed, just like he did when Willie freed him. He and Quentin could start off as sort of enemies and end up as relunctant allies. To tie things in with the first film, Angelique could certainly be included, just like she was in the original.
I think it would flow pretty naturally.
And then for whatever reason, Barnabas and Quentin go their separate ways, maybe Barnabas is chained in the coffin again, or maybe he isn't (I think it might be more interesting if he isn't). Then a third film picks up in the present with Elizabeth, Roger, Victoria, Carolyn, etc... Willie can definitely be in there somewhere..... Maybe the family is in danger and Barnabas and Quentin have to come together again to stop whatever evil haunts them.
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And the second film (1897) could end with Barnabas finding the reincarnation of Josette, and then traveling with her via some supernatural time warp to the present. However, once he gets here, (third film) present day Josette (Maggie or Vicki) won't be able to remember him and Angelique will be here to complicate matters.
Just my little idea on how a trilogy (in the above suggested order) could go. [snow_smiley]
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I see where Variety is reporting that the third film in the Twilight series, Eclipse, has an expected release date of June 30, 2010. Yet another reason why the Depp/DS film hopefully won't be released before fall 2010.
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Barnabas's release in the present kicked things off quite successfully in the original series, and in the revival. The flashbacks are exactly that - flashbacks. To have a "first" film set in 1795 or 1897 would make DS primarily a period piece to a lot of new fans, and set them up for disappointment when we move to the boring ol' present. The flashing back, and forward, are interesting largely because DS is essentially set in the present. To retell the story in linear fashion is a major departure from the original spirit of DS, and a very bad idea...in my opinion [ghost]
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I think it's a great idea. Creative departure is needed. The thing about this movie, is that it has to appeal to the general audiences, most of the people who see Depp's DS are going in without having seen the original series. So departing from that won't detract from it. They'll have no previous experience with DS.
The revival, IMO, copied the original way too much. And I'm hoping this movie moves away from that and is its own film. Telling the story from the beginning works better for a film series than time travel and tons of flashbacks. With film, you don't have the time that you do on a regular show. And back when the original was being done, no one knew Barnabas was going to be popular enough to tell his origins. But with him being the main character, an origins story works better if it comes first. No need for messy time travel with Victoria that way.
1795 was its own storyline, not a mere flashback at all, and I think it's the most powerful storyline on the show in the fact that it's the most complete and develops Barnabas's character like no other one does.
If the first movie is successful and new audiences love Barnabas, they will follow him where he goes - 1897 to the present.
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Barnabas's release in the present kicked things off quite successfully in the original series, and in the revival.To retell the story in linear fashion is a major departure from the original spirit of DS, and a very bad idea...in my opinion [ghost]
i agree with retzev 100%.
as fond of the period storylines as fans may be d.s. is a story set primarily in the present.setting the first film(which is in and of itself quite presumptuous in assuming there will be more)is a very bad idea.what made 1795 so compelling is that we already knew barnabas and then got to see his origins.
also i know quentin is a hugely popular character but i'm not sure why a later character and storyline(1897)have even entered this conversation.
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Just as a bit of trivia, back in '93 when DC was hoping to translate the '91 series into feature films, he planned to do the present day story of Barnabas' release as the first film and Barnabas' origin as the second. And more than likely that's the sort of scenario the current producers are considering should the first film be successful enough to do a sequel. But at this point, without any real knowledge of what shape John August's script is taking, it's still fun to speculate about how they might really shake up the story as we've come to know it. [snow_smiley]
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All I did was state what I would do if they did more than one movie, no more, no less.
A sequel isn't a sure thing - but if Johnny Depp loves the character and the first movie is successful, there could be a sequel. It isn't an impossibility. And if there were others movies or just one more, it wouldn't be too hard to believe the idea of Quentin would be thrown about in the writing room. But all I was doing was stating what I would do.
That's how Quentin came into the conversation.
Even with no sequel, I still believe 1795 is the best starting off point.
How would seeing Barnabas as a good man, a human, in love with Josette, a caring older brother to Sarah not develop the character? How would that not get the audience to care about him or make the story compelling. 1795 has never needed the present day to be compelling to me. It's a compelling story all by itself. The impact of him becoming a vampire would be more tragic from the start - you would get to see how he began and then see what he becomes.
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I think whatever approach is used would be monumental, including in problematic situations. If the movie starts in the present, there would have to be adequate character development to allow the audience to identify without it appearing rushed or packed. For example, would it start with Victoria's arrival and sweep into Barnabas' release and her being his Josette, etc.? Would Maggie be his Josette with everything else flowing around that? Would the character of the governess, whether Victoria or Maggie, already have been at Collinwood, ala HoDS? How would it end - would it allow for the screaming desire for a sequel going back to the 1790's?
If it starts in the 1790's, would it be a telling of the tale as if you-know-who didn't travel back in time? Would that make Phyllis Wickes a major character? Would it end with Barnabas being you-know-what, therefore screaming for a sequel set in the present? If that happens, how would the sequel end? Would you-know-who go back in time? Well, then they'd need to remake the sequel, or otherwise how would the present play out?
Depp has a great deal to consider.
Gerard
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That's interesting, MB, I didn't know that about DC's plans. I will try to keep an open mind no matter what they do, but I tend to agree that the best story will probably introduce Barnabas as a vampire so that we know him as what he becomes, first. I love the idea of a trilogy or even a sequel, but don't want to bank on that too much, as I haven't heard any indication that they intend to do more than one movie (has there been any real hint of this?)
I just got the online Shadowgram, which says that if all goes well, it should start filming "before year's end." Actually, I hope that they are still aiming for late summer! I have heard that Johnny's animated film, Rango, has wrapped, and The Rum Diary is on schedule, so it seems late summer is still possible. Let's hope!
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That's interesting, MB, I didn't know that about DC's plans.
It seems like so few fans are actually aware that DC wanted to translate the '91 series into feature films. The subject is definitely OT for this topic, but when I get a chance I'll dig up some of the info I have about it and post it as its own topic...
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the Depp/DS film hopefully won't be released before fall 2010.
The Official Dark Shadows News Updates Yahoo Group
Marcy Robin's Cyberspace "Dark Shadows" News Updates
An Internet Publication of SHADOWGRAM
Number 192. February 24, 2009.
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*** UPDATING: NEW DS MOVIE PLANS
... it would not be released to theaters before late 2010 at the earliest.
The best news is the latest update AFAIC. [snow_wink]
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Something else from the latest SG Update struck me as I was just finishing reading last week's Entertainment Weekly:
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*** UPDATING: NEW DS MOVIE PLANS
The long-awaited Warner Brothers feature film to star Johnny Depp as "Barnabas Collins" is still very much in the works, despite rumors to the contrary that have appeared in print and online. ... The next SG # 115 will announce confirmed casting
Will EW be reporting these casting details around the same time? And if so, what form will the report take? I mean, will they actually backtrack on their erroneous impression from back in October? [snow_undecided] Or might they simply report the casting news as if their October report never happened? [snow_huh] Time will tell...
One thing that I do find odd in the October situation is that EW is published by Time Warner, and one might think that would allow them to be better connected to what's happening at Warner Brothers - but apparently not. [snow_strange]
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For the first time ever I did not receive the latest online ShadowGram and I thought my last several posts here of the publication were highly favorable. Glad it was posted here.
Ramblings. John August is still working hard writing the script? I find this hard to believe but I guess anything is possible-maybe the producers are asking for rewrites or the next War and Peace. Halloween 2010 does not sound like a bad release date. It may have to go against SAW number 20. Still find it a bit odd that Warner Bros has yet to comment publically about the DS movie project. Hopefully vampires are still "hot" by the time this movie comes out.
I lost faith in EW but if they heavily publicize the DS movie maybe I will forgive them. I think EW did a good job on the 1991 series and gave it a good review but I can't be sure. MB I would like to see DC's plans for trying to continue the 1991 series/theatrical movie using the 1991 cast. I believe NBC actually apologized to DC several years later for cancelling the show.
The latest ShadowGram references the infamous MPI collector plates. Oh my. Now I know why I did not receive the last issue. jk
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John August is still working hard writing the script? I find this hard to believe but I guess anything is possible
The Variety article about August that I posted the link to back on February 2nd (reply #763) certainly seemed to indicate that he was still working on it.
Halloween 2010 does not sound like a bad release date.
Well, technically SG didn't say the film will come out then - only that the hoDS/NoDS DVD set "could appear as soon as Halloween 2010." Though the film is to closely follow. But how closely wasn't indicated. [snow_wink]
Hopefully vampires are still "hot" by the time this movie comes out.
Vampires always seem to enjoy varying degrees of hotness. And the good thing is that I think we can pretty much be sure that the Depp/DS film will be nothing like the Twilight films, so it should appeal to a much wider audience.
I lost faith in EW but if they heavily publicize the DS movie maybe I will forgive them. I think EW did a good job on the 1991 series
Yes, EW was very kind to the '91 series and gave it quite a bit of coverage. And I can't say that I've lost faith with the magazine. I've been a subscriber for 18 years and have found the level of their reporting to be consistently high throughout that time. That's what makes the October incident so odd - mostly because it was merely speculation based on Depp's deal with Disney. But in EW's defense, and as I said at the time, they specifically chose to use words/phrases like "appears" and "for now" - and words/phrases like that allowed them to cover their collective ass should any developments with the Depp/DS come along sooner than they thought was likely at the moment they wrote what they did, which is quite obviously the case. It's just that some people chose not to see their reporting as speculation and those people took it as fact - and that misinterpretation took on a life all its own as, quite sadly, is often the case on the Internet. The only thing I'm curious about is if EW will ever acknowledge how the impression they reported was blown all out of proportion...
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I was just pointed to this post by John August on his website, that he was in Paris last weekend for a meeting.
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/on-being-here-or-there (http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/on-being-here-or-there)
Now, this may or may not be DS-related, but it just so happens that Johnny was in Paris last weekend and during the week (there are some photos floating around), and it has been claimed that Johnny and Tim Burton got together for dinner one night. Sooooo, it's all at least consistent with the possibility of them all meeting to discuss DS. And if DS is indeed "a project everyone wants to see done right", that's the best possible thing to hope for! [snow_smiley] Let's hope!
By the way I don't think it's at all unusual if August is still hard at work on the script. Yes, it may be mostly done but probably being tweaked and shaped to get it right. Sometimes screenwriters are even available during the filming to make small changes. It's all good!
As for EW, they're mostly a good publication, but I think they sometimes make offhand comments without good research. The DS remark was probably foolish, but I don't think there is any chance they will call attention to what they said before- I think they'll just report the new news as it happens.
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if DS is indeed "a project everyone wants to see done right", that's the best possible thing to hope for! [snow_smiley]
Exactly. And circumstantially, at least, it is very plausible - particularly when one considers that August's other script projects at the moment are Frankenweenie and the earliest stages of Preacher.
I don't think there is any chance they will call attention to what they said before- I think they'll just report the new news as it happens.
That's pretty much my feeling too. But wouldn't it be fascinating if someone actually owned up to inadvertently causing an Internet frenzy of misinformation? [snow_wink]
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Speaking as someone who is a writer, and has written adaptations as well as writing to the specifications of others--I have zero trouble believing August might still be hard at work. Frankly, I don't see what the big deal about that might be. Keep in mind that no matter what "tack" he is using in his adaptation, the amount of material to be considered is daunting:
All of the Barnabas storylines, upon which to draw.
The entire show, regarding hints and directions about all the other characters.
Other incarnations of DS, which he might want to consult if for no other reason so as not to repeat.
And so on...
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Nice catch madscntst. Did you see comment number 28 under August's blog: "RainDogToo February 24th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
A meeting in Paris, WOW! That must some meeting. Did the two people you met with by chance happen to be named Mr. Depp and Mr. Burton? And was the project being discussedDARK SHADOWS?!?!?!? I knew it!! I cannot wait see who the cast consists of. Here hoping WINONA RYDER will be cast. I cannot wait to see this on the big screen! It should be an epic film! I wish you and all involved the best of luck!". It is kind of interesting that August has yet to confirm at his own website that he is the writer of the DS movie and yet he allows these comments which he could easily not permit. Oh yes I am hoping that the script is done right. Maybe he is writing two scripts so that they can film two movies immediately back to back or at the same time depending on the scripts. Only dreaming of course.
I would be amazed if EW owned up to it's mistake unless the next article begins whith a "clarification" defense.
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It is kind of interesting that August has yet to confirm at his own website that he is the writer of the DS movie and yet he allows these comments which he could easily not permit.
Especially when his involvement as screenwriter has been confirmed in the trades and the info in those sorts of articles is normally supplied by the actors'/producers'/writers' publicists. But who knows what his deal with Warner Brothers and/or Depp, King & company entails? Perhaps he's contractually obligated not to openly discuss his involvement until some point in the future. That sort of thing does happen - primarily so that there aren't any leaks about the script.
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Three interesting though not directly related articles:
This blog in the Hollywood reporter is of the opinion that Depp has yet to pull off being "menacing -- true, bloodthirsty, win-at-all-costs menacing" and wonders if he'll achieve it as John Dillinger in Public Enemies:
Whose Johnny? Depp Tries a (small) reinvention (http://www.riskybusinessblog.com/2009/03/whose-johnny-depp-tries-a-small-reinvention.html)
Well, if Depp doesn't quite achieve it there, perhaps he'll get another chance in the DS film since "true, bloodthirsty, win-at-all-costs menacing" is normally an integral part of Barnabas after he's first released from the coffin. And with Barn, he's literally "bloodthirsty." [wink2]
Apparently British film fans would pick Johnny Depp and Angelina Jolie as the leading actors in their ultimate film:
Depp and Jolie are Brits' ideal movie leads (http://www.inthenews.co.uk/entertainment/film/depp-and-jolie-are-brits-ideal-movie-leads-$1275049.htm)
One wonders if Tim Burton is taking note and is planning how he can cast Jolie in the DS film. ;)
And I'm posting the link to this one purely for fun because, even though parts of it made me groan, other parts had me LOL (but that's the whole point of The Spoof site :D):
The Spoof!
Always there with the funniest spoof headlines (http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i48995)
(And apparently Depp got a kick out of it too: 'Blown Away' By Spoof Pirate Saga (http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s4i49144). Must be the bit about the "full glorious color close-ups of rotten teeth and lip ulcers, and as in any other Depp inspired movie, profane full male nudity!")
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Apparently news of the film is still spreading. This blogger may suffer a bit from DSFMS, but at least she got the bits about the Depp/DS film right (and her post generated a few interesting replies):
Hello Gorgeous: Sunday Night Confession (http://www.hellogorgeousblog.com/2009/03/sunday-night-confession_08.html)
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This blog in the Hollywood reporter is of the opinion that Depp has yet to pull off being "menacing -- true, bloodthirsty, win-at-all-costs menacing" and wonders if he'll achieve it as John Dillinger in Public Enemies:
I think the blogger may be disappointed in Johnny's Dillinger turn. While I think he will be menacing, the real Dillinger was also known to be very charismatic and charming, and that he didn't wish to kill anyone, so I think we'll see a fair bit of Dillinger's sympathetic side in this film. But I disagree with the blogger that his characters in Sweeney Todd and Blow weren't menacing enough (and I would add The Astronaut's Wife and Once Upon A Time In Mexico). Why do people often think of him only being in sweet and cuddly roles? I think he'll be able to do "bloodthirsty" (literally and figuratively) just fine!! [snow_cool]
I hadn't really been thinking of Jolie for DS, but I wonder who she could play? I suppose she'd do justice to Angelique, but I actually see her as a better Dr. Hoffman. Hmm.
And thanks for that blog, MB- cute!
Cathy
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This comment was recently posted in reply to an article (http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/03/twilight-eclips.html) on Entertainment Weekly's Web Site about the search for a director for Eclipse, the third movie in the Twilight series:
jimmy Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 09:56 AM EST
It seems to me that EW has a hatred to Johnny Depp's new Dark Shadows movie. EW's last article on the project left us readers whith the knowledge that the movie was not going to happen. Then subsequently reports came out in the media that the DS movie was in fact going to be filmed later this year. So why then has EW not published an update which would have corrected its last article? Please explain EW why you hate Dark Shadows and publish so many aricles on Twilight. Don't think Dark Shadows fans have not noticed your apparent resentment of the Dark Shadows franchise.
I can't say I think EW in any way hates DS or resents the franchise. That sort of criticism is harsh. But it is interesting to see that apparently one DS fan in calling EW to task on their Web site for their October report.
On a lighter note, there are also these two comments:
mk Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 07:58 PM EST
Forget about Twilight series and Pattison. The movie I'm waiting for is the Dark Shadows adaptation with Johnny Depp as the vampire Barnabas Collins. Should be perfection.
Lizzie Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 09:48 PM EST
mk - I agree with you 100% on Dark Shadows. With JD on board, it will be fantastic!
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new article-even says DS could be a movie franchise if the 1st one does well
Johnny Depps Dark Shadows Adaptation Very ActiveWith Tim Burton Directing? (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/03/19/johnny-depps-dark-shadows-adaptation-very-activewith-tim-burton-directing/)
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Thanks so much for posting the link to that article, jimbo. It's very good to read that Warner Brothers "will be making some announcements regarding" the Depp/DS film "pretty soon. Very soon, probably." And apparently the DS purists had better gird their loins if it's true that the producers are "very adamant that there are certain things you should definitely take liberties with." [easter_wink] But I really liked the changes that were made for the '04 pilot. And we should certainly expect that there will be changes for the movie. So, hopefully any liberties they take for the movie will be as equally interesting.
An all-around excellent article. [easter_smiley]
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MB I having having a hard time believing that Dan Curtis actually said that he was "adamant" that the producers of the new movie take liberties with the movie. I could see Kennedy saying that but Dan? Maybe it was part of his selling pitch but still hard to digest him saying something like have fun with the story, it's all yours, do what you want. Regardless, a new story line can be very intriguing as well as new take on the characters.
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Well, the article does say that it's Kennedy who's adamant about certain liberties being taken - but it implies that it is with DC's blessing.
Of course, DC seemed to be of two minds when it came to the changes made in the '04 pilot. Some reports had Curtis wholeheartedly sanctioning them - even saying so in as many words - while other reports said he would have much preferred yet another retelling of hoDS. Not that either report contradicts the other because it would have certainly been possible for DC to want to do another hoDS but to realize that he'd already dipped into that well once too often. Frankly, I was thrilled that the smarter heads of John Wells and Mark Verheiden prevailed in that situation, and I'm looking forward to seeing what changes are made this time around.
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I agree that change can be good and maybe Dan himself realized that too. I could live with the changes they made in the 2004 pilot but I guess we may be in for more dramatic changes (?) Perhaps we won't hear as the first uttered words in the new movie, "My name is Victoria Winters" although that is what I am expecting.
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Given that Depp and Burton grew up watching the original series, I would be surprised if the core story wasn't featured again in this re-make.
nancy
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Glad Entertainment Weekly is right on top of this latest news. jk Maybe they still refuse to believe.
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Well, I hope they take the liberty to keep Bob Cobert's original scores for the theme, Josette, and Quentin. [easter_wink]
Taking liberties is okay, just so long as the liberties taken don't detract from the story. They said they will be staying true to the original spirit of the show. I hope they stay true to a little more than just the spirit. I do want to recognize this film as being Dark Shadows. [easter_grin] But, I am happy that Warner is finally getting ready to announce something. I can't wait to see where this goes!
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Oh I don't like this latest article about Burton pushing back filming of the DS movie.
JOHNNY COME LATELY? Tim Burton May Push Back 'Dark Shadows' Start Date (http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/johnny-come-lately-tim-burton-may-push-back-dark-shadows-start-date/)
And yes they should use Cobert's themes.
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This really brought a smile to my face in an otherwise dreary week for me. I do hope they let Robert do the music. That is the only liberty I wouldn't really like to be taken! However, a new vision on the music make work and suprise me. Since WB did the pilot could it possibly be a extra on the film DVD?
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jim pierson at the burbank festival mentioned the POSSIBILITY of the 2004 pilot being included on the dvd release of the warner bros. film version of DARK SHADOWS.
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That would be nice. I've only seen the bits and pieces that were first shown to fans at the Tarrytown fest (in 2004? My goodness, was it that long ago!!!?). I've been eager to see the subsequent showing that I'm guessing was complete (or near complete) ever since. At the time of the filming of the pilot the only cast member I was excited about was Ivana Milicevic and I don't remember any of her scenes being shown. I am most curious about her version of Angelique. I'm under the impression that if the 2004 pilot doesn't show up on a DVD release, I will never get to see it.
I am really excited about the Depp movie. I hope it will be a blockbuster! Can you imagine DS being up for Academy Awards - Did you think you'd ever even think it would ever be possible!? Oh, geez, I'm getting all giddy about it, lol.
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i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for DARK SHADOWS to win any major oscars. sci-fi/fantasy/horror films rarely win any major awards. heath ledger only won for the dark knight because he died. the last time an actor won for a horror film was frederick march for dr jeckyl and mr hyde in 1932 !
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I'm so excited that Sam Sarkar has spoken up about DS! He is the head of development at Johnny's production company and seems to tell it straight. I was a little surprised that he hedged a bit on whether Tim Burton would direct. Maybe the deal's not set in stone yet and as an official spokesman, he can't say. Nicki Finke of Deadline Hollywood Daily usually has good sources, and she says it's definitely Tim but that Tim's busy with Alice In Wonderland. Hmm. Alice will be released next March so I hope it won't be delayed that long. The best part is that Sarkar hints that an announcement may come very soon. Hopefully that will clear things up!
Having never seen a frame of the 2004 pilot, I'd absolutely love if they could include it as a DVD extra!
As for Oscar chances, I'd seriously doubt DS could be up for any of the major awards, but I could see it being nominated for things like set design, costume design, and makeup if it's worthy (and I sure hope it would be!!). Maybe effects, too, though I am kind of hoping that it won't be an effects-heavy film.
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heath ledger only won for the dark knight because he died.
I can't agree with that. I thought he was amazing.
the last time an actor won for a horror film was frederick march for dr jeckyl and mr hyde in 1932 !
Oscar Nominated Horror-Related Movies (http://www.billytackett.com/horroroscars.html) The list is not as short as you might think. The last best actor winner on the list, btw, is Anthony Hopkins for "The Silence of the Lambs."
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I can't agree with that either! [easter_rolleyes] Heath DESERVED it dead or alive. I cried my eyes out when he and Kate both won!
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i agree that it was a great performance but so was his performance in brokeback mountain. they didnt give him an oscar for that. if he had not died i doubt he would have won for the dark knight.
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Well everyone is entitled to there opinon of course. I love BM cause I am gay and it hit home but I thought that the JOKER performance was off the chain! We all have our ops though! :)
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I would have liked to have seen Heath Ledger in the projected DS film.
His performance as "The Joker" in Batman was incredible and he deserved the Oscar. Ledger's performance in Brokeback Mountain was also amazing on many levels.
Too bad he can't be considered for a role in the upcoming DS movie.
Nancy
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Well, I thought Brokeback Mountain should have won for Best Picture too, so I don't think his loss is proof of your original statement that he "only won...because he died."
The LA Times had a poll recently asking which actor is most overdue for an Oscar. The field was limited to 10, but last time I looked, Depp had garnered nearly half the votes.
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This article says that the DS movie was originally scheuled to film this June which I don't think I was aware of (I am losing track of all of these timelines), then in August and now possibly in the fall with Burton needing more time for his Alice movie. I am beginning to lose patience with him but who would listen to me anyway. lol
The other articles posted here states that Warner Bros. had already booked some studio lots for the DS movie. Are they now going to be filming in the United States or were they referring to studio lots overseas? Just curious.
http://www.cinematical.com/2009/03/20/depp-and-burton-push-back-dark-shadows/
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I saw the Cinematical article, and I think the mention of June was just a lazy guess from the reporter. I think that Richard Zanuck was the first to say something concrete, and as I recall, he said "late summer". Which is consistent with August, but not June. I don't think I recall June being tossed around at all, and if I had, I think I would've been worried about it overlapping with The Rum Diary filming. If filming starts in fall, that won't concern me because it's not really much different than "late summer." But I took Nicki Finke's article as potentially a more open-ended delay (which I hope it won't be!! [easter_grin] )
All to say, it will be all the better if there is an official announcement very soon, as Sam Sarkar tells us there might be- any concrete news would be great, at this point!
I agree with all that's been said about Heath Ledger- he was a phenomenal actor and was transcendent in The Dark Knight, and amazing in Brokeback and so many other films. Such a great loss to lose him so soon.
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I just read two of the comments posted at the Cinematical article and its seems like they were overly harsh of the author-she is just the messenger. On the other hand maybe they do have a reason to be critical. I digress. I think Warner Bros is getting antsy and wants to cash in on the vampire craze asap so I don't think they are too happy about the movie's delay. Another guess of mine.
Regarding Heath it is true. What a great actor he was.
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As much as I want the DS movie to come out. I don't want anything to be rushed. I want them to take there time in every way to make sure it's done righ! [easter_wink]
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Exactly, Taeylor. If Burton is to be the director (which everything save a formal announcement points to), then I'm sure we all want him to be able to give his full attention to the Depp/DS film once production begins. I doubt anyone wants someone directing who has a split focus because in the back of his mind he's fretting over another project that he's simultaneously working on that has to meet a production deadline for release.
Honestly, I can't say that it comes as a surprise that Burton might need more time with AiW. Before production began I'd speculated here that it was probably going to take him much longer to complete the film than what subsequent reports had been saying up to now. That's not to say that I endorse Nikki Finke's report - I know absolutely nothing about the woman or her track record for reporting - but her report certainly seems plausible. But even if it turns out to be true, that doesn't necessarily mean the Depp/DS film's release would be delayed. That would all depend on how far back production gets pushed and how long is needed to complete the film for release. Some films are complete and ready for release months before their actual release dates - it's just that the studios have timed their releases for when they hope to get the most attention and the biggest returns.
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Sam Sarkar's remarks are quickly appearing on dozens of Web sites. No surprise there - news like that quickly spreads like wildfire on the Internet. What might be a bit surprising is that Nikki Finke's report of a possible delay has only been mentioned on a handful of other sites. I don't know if that's a commentary on what others think of her reporting or not, but it's anecdotally interesting.
Two of the more interesting reports on the new sites are these:
ilovedepp.com - Dark Shadows (http://www.ilovedepp.com/wordpress/?p=64)
and
The Weekly Wrap-Up (http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/30947/the-weekly-wrap-up-march-15-21-2009)
(scroll down about halfway)
Neither is particularly thrilled with the idea of Burton directing and wouldn't mind seeing him drop out - though for differing reasons...
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This is a bit off topic however, it's crazy that Johnny and JF are about the same age and look years apart. Johnny is holding up nicely and I am pretty sure he is a heavy smoker just like JF was then. Nothing against smokers I used to but I had to quit because of asthma...I loved them. However, I would have died. It was hard....anyhow thanks for the articles...they are very interesting.
OT: If the movies end up being franchised then maybe Burton can set the tone and then the others be directed by other directors. I think it's cool to have different visions, much like with the Harry Potter Franchise and Twillight.
ALSO: GOOD GOD that man is hot! LOl
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This is a bit off topic however, it's crazy that Johnny and JF are about the same age and look years apart.
They are almost a decade apart in age, nine years to be exact. Karlen was born in 1933 and Frid in 1924.
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I am sorry for the confusion. I was referring to Johnny Depp and Jonathan Frid.
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Also sorry for the double post but the GOOD GOD: THAT MAN IS HOT line was referring to Johnny Depp! SHEW! FAINT!
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I am sorry for the confusion. I was referring to Johnny Depp and Jonathan Frid.
Ah, sorry. I misread. Frid was born looking older than his years. In high school he was cast as the father in "The Heiress."
nancy
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Also sorry for the double post but the GOOD GOD: THAT MAN IS HOT line was referring to Johnny Depp! SHEW! FAINT!
Oh yeah!! I'm right with you on that, Taeylor! Very hot indeed!
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I am gonna get back on topic...but I wasn't trying to say that JF wasn't good looking. In that picture from Big Lou with him in his swimming shorts and sunglasses. WOW! What a great body he had! I have also saw pictures of JF as a younger man and I thought he was swoon worthy! The way he played Barnabas also made me pine for him! :) So elegant, charming and seductive!
Now onto the topic at hand...I cannot wait to hear some more news about the movie. And I really hope we get the pilot as an extra. And that HODS and NODS are released and the NODS restoration comes to fruition!
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Also sorry for the double post but the GOOD GOD: THAT MAN IS HOT line was referring to Johnny Depp! SHEW! FAINT!
Well I didn't think you were talking about Harry Potter... by the way, I too always yell FAINT! right before I faint. It's sort of like yelling "Fore!" in golf. Not that I've played golf. I have fainted though, once last November. I'm still trying to figure that one out...
Nancy, thanks for the early Frid information.
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Twilight sold over 3 million DVDs units on its first day of release. With its phenomenal box office intake and now its DVDs success I am sure WB is even more anxious to get the DS movie off the ground.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=53880
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Also sorry for the double post but the GOOD GOD: THAT MAN IS HOT line was referring to Johnny Depp! SHEW! FAINT!
SHEW! FAINT! Yes, indeed [easter_grin] As for Frid, the thing about him is that he may have looked a little older than his years during the DS run (though still very dapper and attractive), but he has made up for it now by still looking wonderful 40 years later!
As for Twilight, I confess that I haven't seen it, and I fear that from what I've heard of it, it may be a little too sappy for my taste. I'm glad it's keeping folks interested in vampires, though! I think that Let The Right One In, which I *have* seen, has also recently come out on DVD. That one had a lot of critical praise, but I don't think it is nearly as much on people's radar. I wonder how it's doing. I recommend it highly, by the way!
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Yesterday I was at a fund raising auction for an elementary school where I do some volunteer computer consulting, and one of the items that got the most attention was a basket filled with various Twilight items (the DVD, an Edward doll, a calendar, a Bella t-shirt, the novels, etc.). However, that attention was from seemingly every squealing 10 to 13-year-old girl in attendance. Frankly, that's not quite the audience I'd like to see the Depp/DS film primarily appeal to. And thankfully, their actions thus far would seem to indicate that TPTB will indeed be reaching out to attract a much wider target audience.
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Yes I hope Depp Shadows does have a broader audience. I think it will since DS spans 40 decades now! I have to admit (Sheephisly) that I am devouring the first book right now. What I find so interesting is as I have said before how Barnabas really changed the course the vampire role has taken from Louis in Interview...to Angel in well Angel...to Bill in True Blood and now Edward in Twillight! I find it interesting that Stephanie Meyer dreamed about the book much like DC did DS. Sorry I got a bit off subject!
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That is a good question as to what the target audience is going to be for the DS movie. I am guessing that WB is hoping that many of the young Twilight fans will watch the DS movie. I thought many of Twilight's fans are like the 14-19 age group(?) but I guess it could be a lot younger. I don't really know anything about Twilight so I can't make an intelligent argument but I would think WB wants part of that audience. On the other hand the movie obviously also needs to appeal to the 18-49 + crowd. Do we all agree that the Victoria Winters actress needs to look 25? I don't think that character should look older than that age? I thought Joanna Going was perfect for that role even though she was several years older than 25 if my memory serves me well. I am glad I am not the casting director for this movie because you can't please all target audiences.
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I am guessing that WB is hoping that many of the young Twilight fans will watch the DS movie.
I'm sure they are. And they are more than welcomed to the party. But my point was that we wouldn't want the Depp/DS film to only appeal to Twilight's core audience.
the movie obviously also needs to appeal to the 18-49 + crowd.
Exactly. And the Depp/DS film should also appeal to males. Twilight seems to be an almost exclusively female, and young female at that, phenomenon.
I thought Joanna Going was perfect for that role even though she was several years older than 25 if my memory serves me well.
Going was 27 when the pilot was shot and had just turned 28 when the series began shooting.
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I think that teen girls are inevitably going to be part of the target audience for DS. I'm not as sure about 10-13 year olds- certainly Johnny himself has many fans that age from the Pirates films, but I think that for DS, that's a little young. I would guess that the *minimum* rating they'll go for is a PG-13, and I wouldn't be too surprised if they decide to go for an R, as they did with Sweeney Todd. (Not that I am in favor of a slasher-type film, but I don't want them to be afraid to make it dark). Didn't I hear that a lot of *moms* like Twilight, though? The moms will definitely be all over a Depp DS film, especially if they're old enough to remember the original. But I agree with MB and Taeylor that I hope the target audience is going to be much broader than this.
Regarding the male audience, while a lot of the die-hard Depp fans are female, I think that males respect him, as well, and I think it won't hurt that his upcoming films Public Enemies and The Rum Diary will help to keep the male fanbase interested in what else Depp will be up to, including DS.
I agree, Jimbo, that Vicki should look 25 at the *most*. College educated, perhaps with a master's in education, but still young and just starting a career. I think Joanna Going was perfect, at the time. I just checked IMDb, and she was born in '63, so was 27 or 28 for DS- that was pretty good.
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Thanks MB and madscntst. I think WB needs to certainly reach that male demographic base who want to see Barnabas on steroids and have a large body count with that of the Twilight teens and their moms. I don't think you can sell "The Love story beyond time" angle to the male demographic, for example, to hook them in. It's going to be a balancing marketing approach to reach a broad audience. I do agree that many males respect Johnny Depp. OT for a second I heard that Public enemies is receiving mixed reviews but in any event I expect that the movie will perform well at the box office and that can't hurt DS.
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I hope they scrap the whole Victoria Winters/Josette angle. It's too restrictive and repetitive and antiquated (not to mention corny). There, I said it! [a2a3]
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I would mind that dom...I just would like to see Victoria part of the movie, after all she started this crazy train! LITERALLY! ;)
YAY my 1100 post. I am eyeing that GOD position. I reached Seniority pretty quickly, however, I have a while to go. LOL Sorry for straying! [easter_grin]
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Well, you have got to have the Josette angle in order for it to be Dark Shadows, but I would prefer it to be similar to the original Barnabas/Josette storyline with Maggie and the kidnapping. Frankly, I think that would make the film a lot more interesting than going with a re-do of the 1991 series.
Victoria could be the heroine, and find out that Barnabas is holding Maggie captive...
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They said the new Depp film is an uneccesary remake.
You have to click through the pix on the popeater application in the middle of the page. However, DS is there.
Here is the link: http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/unnecessary-remakes-these-got-made/269371 (http://www.popeater.com/movies/article/unnecessary-remakes-these-got-made/269371)
OY
John
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Oy is right John! [easter_rolleyes]
But their question, "How many times does a TV show need a reinvention?" is a bit disingenuous. It's something akin to asking "How many times does a classic play need to be restaged?"
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It's a good thing that the 2004 pilot was not mentioned or the writer may have really flipped. Anyway what is the writer's problem? Hopefully his article gets buried.
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I agree MB!
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At least the comments regarding the Depp/DS film disagree:
BEAReCUB
06:10 PM Dec 15 2008
The Willy Wonka film with Depp was fantastic, but it shouldn't be looked as a comparison, more like a different version. And as far as Dark Shadows goes, I was/am a HUGE fan of the series and I look forward to the movie version. Again, I don't think remakes should be compared to its predescessor, instead all remakes need to be viewed on its own merits...
whiteley9468
03:27 PM Dec 15 2008
... I can see Depp/Burton doing a incredible job in Dark Shadows. ...
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Just curious if someone here has access to the Production Weekly publication since there has been some type of update on the DS movie project as DS was listed in this particular edition.
Production Weekly - Issue 653 - Thursday, March 26, 2009 / 130 listings - 24 pages I think someone here posted a listing from this publication before(?)
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I don't know about Production Weekly (perhaps madscntst will be able to provide the new listing as she did the first), but for what it's worth, and who knows how much that is because one never knows who is actually updating the info, there have been some changes made to the IMDbPro listing for the Depp/DS film. For one, the status has gone from unknown to there being a script (and I presume that means a completed script). For two, Tim Burton Productions has been added to the list of company credits (yet another indication that Burton will indeed direct even though no one is confirming that yet). And there is a provisional start date of the fall.
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Thanks MB. I can't view this since I don't have IMDB.com pro! So if they shoot in the fall of 2009, maybe a release date of 2010 (perhaps Halloween) we could see it in theaters.
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Sorry folks, there is a site to find old Production Weekly's, but I don't know about new ones. The last one I've seen is from Jan. 15, so I guess they're about 2 months behind. It'll be interesting to see what it says! I still hope Sam Sarkar is right in that something will be officially announced about it soon.
Meanwhile, Johnny is in Puerto Rico for The Rum Diary, which starts filming on Monday. Hope all gets done on schedule!
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Thanks MB and madscntst for your responses regarding Production Weekly's most recent DS update. Production Weekly gives me the appearance of it being far superior to IMDb. I don't know if P.W.'s verification process is more stringent than IMDb's but it looks like it is. Again I don't know what the professional reputation P.W. has in the movie industry but at least perhaps the update was of some significance and an accurate one. MB thanks also for keeping us up to date with the news that is posted at the IMDbPro site. I do agree with Taeylor and hope that the movie is released in 2010.
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OT: Thanks for agreeing but I really need to check my post's twice over before posting. Mistakes...Lord..... [easter_rolleyes]
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Production Weekly gives me the appearance of it being far superior to IMDb. I don't know if P.W.'s verification process is more stringent than IMDb's but it looks like it is. Again I don't know what the professional reputation P.W. has in the movie industry but at least perhaps the update was of some significance and an accurate one.
Well, for what it's worth, the last time Production Weekly listed the Depp/DS film, they said the film is about a dream in which a girl takes a long train ride to visit a large mansion instead of being based on DC's dream. So, simply going by that, I wouldn't necessarily say everything they publish is accurate. [easter_wink] Whoever came up with that description definitely screwed up a bit. [easter_rolleyes] They also listed Tim Burton as director, which is something TPTB are still refusing to confirm or deny, so chances are very good that the info in the listing didn't come directly from TPTB.
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The more I think about it I really hope Tim directs. I just think he has the knack for it! Also,even if he doesn't return for the franchise that we hopefully get, he could really set the tone and a new director could do number two much like the Twilight and Harry Potter franchise movies are doing.
OT: I forget who commented on Joanna Going, but if I had to go with a dead on perfect casting for the Revival it would be her and Barbara Steele.
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I don't know much about Production Weekly and am not sure if anyone can just subscribe (and if so, how much is it?) but it strikes me as more of a publication meant for industry people. Very dry and bare-bones status reports, and probably not meant to be a public announcement about anything. So I agree that anything printed there should probably still be taken with a grain of salt, compared with an ironclad public announcement. That said, if something is included in a PW issue, it probably means there's been some change or other in the film's status, which can only be great news for a project like DS that we want to see progressing! [easter_cool]
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For sixty dollars per month you would think Production Weekly has a very good verification process in place for its subscribers paying that steep price. Oh well I guess we will hear something soon and hopefully from a reliable source. Not sure why IMDb allows people to see the production listing for The Rum Diary and not for DS. If the site wants people to subscribe to its pro feature you would think the R.D. would also not be available for free.
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Whether something is listed on regular IMDb vs. IMDbPro may have to do with who's maintaining the listing. TPTB working on the Depp/DS film certainly seem to want to keep things as under wraps as possible. Though when it comes to IMDbPro, even though it advertises itself as "Designed exclusively for people in the entertainment industry," anyone can actually sign up for a 14 day free trial - and if they want to continue with it after that, all they have to do is pay $12.95 a month. That doesn't exactly keep anything that's added to any IMDbPro listing that well hidden. [easter_wink]
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Sixty a month for PW?? Wow, no wonder I don't want to subscribe [easter_grin] Anyway, what I was trying to get at with regard to the publication is that it may just be meant as a listing for folks in the business- if say a cameraman sees a production starting up, they may try to contact them for work. The nuts and bolts about the plot and even the cast or director may not be the only thing of importance from their perspective. Just a thought.
I may not have always followed every entry on IMDb, but I seem to recall that The Rum Diary *was* off the regular IMDb listing for awhile. This film's been around for a long time- I remember seeing it when I first started getting die-hard about Johnny around late-ish '03 (have been a fan since Edward Scissorhands, but ya know, the internet sometimes does things to people [easter_grin] ) And then it was in limbo for a long time. It makes sense that it's listed now because the film is about to get made, and many of the cast members have been announced already. What I *don't* get is that a film like Sin City 3, which has similarly been in the works for years, but doesn't seem like it's going to be made any time soon (or Sin City 2, for that matter), and that one *is* still on IMDb.
Fortunately, there was news today about The Three Stooges- Benicio del Toro is in talks to play Moe Howard, according to Variety, so hopefully that one is going to be taken off Johnny's cast list any time now. And I hope that Dark Shadows will return to the regular IMDb area once there start to be announcements about a start date and cast members. I agree though that the whole IMDb vs. IMDbPro thing is silly- guess they just want to try to tempt people into paying...
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To MB. That is very interesting. So if one subscribes to IMDb Pro for $12.95 per month you can obtain information that may or not be accurate and that information in turn could be given to the general media defeating the DS production listing not being accessible to non-subscribers. It does sound like TPTB we are familiar with.
To madscntst. Can you imagine paying $60 every month-that is nuts and you may be right about its general purpose. Also what you said about the Rum Diary being taken off IMDb and then put back on when most of the cast had been named. I guess that will happen with the DS movie. I do agree that the IMDB vs IMDbPro is incredibly silly. Pure greed on its part.
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Somebody on the dark shadows wiki updated the page about the movie writing in as the synopsis:
The plot follows a governess who arrives at the Collins family mansion to discover that all is not quite normal - and that Barnabas Collins is, in fact, a vampire.
Does anyone know if this is official information or if this is just some fan's opinion of what the movie will be about. I'm probably over analyzing it, but this indicates to me that perhaps the movie will not include the unchaining of B, and at some point in the movie Vicki finds out (and remembers) that B is a vampire.
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Tim Burton was quoted as saying that there is a long way to go in his Alice movie.
http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=24488
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An interesting article: Dark Shadows Envelop Johnny Depp, Drift Toward Tim Burton (http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/1606199/dark_shadows_envelop_johnny_depp_drift.html?singlepage=true&cat=2). And one of the things that makes it most interesting is how it points out some hard truths that some DS fans may not like but which are, nonetheless, facts in this day and age in entertainment. And they only reinforce some of the things we were saying just last week...
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Interesting, thanks MB. Going along with this, this past weekend I was browsing the IMDb message board of the Swedish film, Let The Right One In. One of the posters there, I assume from what he wrote that he was a teen, said that he was in a video store and a group of other kids were looking at the DVD cover for Let The Right One In, and one girl tossed it back and said, "It looks like a ripoff of Twilight." The guy/gal who posted to IMDb said he got in a big argument with her, because LTROI was written first, and she didn't believe it. I found this attitude to be very concerning. The younger fans of Twilight may not realize that Twilight isn't the first story about vampires, nor is it the be-all and end-all. I can't really give a full opinion about Twilight because I haven't seen it (nor have I read the books), but judging from the clips I've seen, it's not even much of a vampire story so much as it is a story about teen love. I just hope that they aren't so silly as to dismiss Dark Shadows as being a ripoff of their favorite hot trend. And along with that, I hope (and trust) that TPTB don't try to make DS too trendy. I do agree, though, that the production values are going to have to be a lot more up to date and along with the types of films that are released in today's world. That's why I am wondering if they may go for an R rating. Even if it's PG-13, I am guessing that they are going to imply a lot of gore.
Cathy
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madscntst you certainly raise an issue that WB is probably trying to over come. With the new Star Trek movie the producers did not have to reference the original series ie.... in its trailers, as most people know ST has been on for many years. But with the new DS movie I wonder if TPTB may need to include in its trailer that it is based on the 60s series which would then give new fans a point of reference, something that indisputably shows that DS came long before Twilight? I am going to gamble and say that WB will play it safe and go with a PG-13 rating especially if they want to tap into Twilight's fan base, unless their mom's take them if it is rated R.
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I don't know why people would confuse Twilight with Dark Shadows in the first place unless their minds are stuck on the word 'vampire'. I saw Twilight and it is mostly a teen movie - high school, hanging around with 'your' group in school, boyfriends, etc. Just happens one of the groups are vampires! (By the way, I did enjoy this movie but there really isn't anything in it to compare with DS.)
I'm wondering if the movie will go along the lines of Underworld. That movie was pretty violent with plenty of blood and special effects.
One item on my DS movie wishlist is that the studio try to recreate the original interiors that were in the series. I just loved looking at the drawing room, entry way and the Old House. The set designer really did a wonderful job making the studio look like an actual house (mansion?).
I have faith in Tim Burton. I loved his version of Sleepy Hollow (and the sets were awesome) and Johnny Depp has a good working relationship with him.
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Tim Burton is a fan of gore, so I think there's going to be gore in it - I remember reading an article back when Sleepy Hollow came out about the utter delight Burton had flicking fake blood on Johnny Depp in the scene where Ichabod is hacking at the tree of the dead. I still have yet to see Sweeney Todd, so I can't comment on how gory that is, but I think we can expect to see blood. Teenagers are going to expect it, and like it or not teenagers make up most of the movie going crowd.
As for the story, I think they're going to focus a good deal on the romantic elements of Barnabas. It is a gothic drama. But he is also a monster. I've been watching the first DVD boxset recently and was shocked back into realizing how sinister his persona was when he first appeared. I don't think the writers are going to sit down and watch all 1225 episodes before tackling the script, but who knows, maybe everyone involved has a complete set of DVDs. [easter_wink] Hopefully at least they'll watch the episodes relevant to whatever story they decide to tell.
As for Twilight I was somewhat dismayed upon walking into Borders and seeing a table set up with Twilight prominently displayed with Dracula.... however I thought about it and realized maybe someone was trying to get kids to pick up other *coughbettercough* vampire novels. I get the feeling though a lot of them will dismiss it as "old" and therefore irrelevant. Most teenagers are morons. I thought so when I was a teenager, I still think so now. Thankfully I think there's going to be a LOT of people who watched DS as kids, may have forgotten about it in their adulthood, will see the movie previews and respark their interest. At least I hope so.
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I think DS has the potential to reach Twillight's audience and waaaaaaaaaaaay more. I hope so that is.
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Article states the Alice movie is nearing completion although we know that is not entirely true; and also says that Burton and Depp may get together and film a movie about Salvador Dali which I believe was already raised here.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/spiderman/news/1810204/weekly_ketchup_special_edition_raimi_announces_next_spider_man_villians
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Article states the Alice movie is nearing completion although we know that is not entirely true; and also says that Burton and Depp may get together and film a movie about Salvador Dali which I believe was already raised here.
jimbo, beware of odd news posted on April Fool's Day.
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jimbo, beware of odd news posted on April Fool's Day.
LOL...
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Midnite and Garth, you "guys" are good. lol
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FYI This article briefly mentions that the Japanese Warner Bros 2009-2010 Press Book has the Dark Shadows movie being released in Japan in the winter of 2010. After the article's link you are directed to a Japanese website which has the movie name in English but the information is written in its native language. Although the article was written today, April 14, 2009, the information in the Press Book may be inaccurate on the movie's release date.
http://liveforfilm.blogspot.com/2009/04/random-dark-shadows-expendables.html
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Considering that a strike could easily derail the start of production on the Depp/DS film, this is potentially good news: SAG Strike Likely Averted (http://www.tvguide.com/News/SAG-Producers-Agree-1005177.aspx).
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a Japanese website which has the movie name in English but the information is written in its native language.
It's not surprising that several sites have jumped on this. What is a bit surprising is that some of the reports wonder if the site is reporting more news than meets the eye because they can't read Japanese. Apparently they've not heard of translation sites like Yahoo's Babel Fish. Granted, it's often far from perfect when it comes to translating - but you do get the gist. Check out the translation here (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timburton.jp%2Fmovies%2Fdarkshadows%2F090323wblineup.php&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate).
The translation also reveals a link to this posting (http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.timburton.jp%2Fmovies%2Fdarkshadows%2F090325wblineup.php&lp=ja_en&btnTrUrl=Translate) that was made two days later. Though who knows what it is that they're sharing in the two images? [idontknow]
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I don't know if I like this person's vision of what the Depp/DS film could be like with Tim Burton directing. A "hybrid of old Dracula movies and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory"? Scary! But not necessarily in a good way.
Check out: "I Like" Mondays (http://folksydeb.blogspot.com/2009/04/i-like-mondays.html)
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Rock of Love...now that is a taking up good airspace. UGH! I hate reality tv! [ghost_mad] LOL
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Why does it say Depp has been working on this for several years? That doesn't seem right. And though I don't like the flippant attitude of the blogger, I have to agree I would have liked an 'ending' to the revival series as well (even though we already covered that ground in the original).
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They probably meant "working to get the film made", as opposed to actually filming it or anything like that. I just checked a timeline that I keep of all important Depp events [ghost_wink] and have the official DS announcement as having been July 26, 2007, which was not quite 2 years ago. And I think that there have been reports that he was in talks with DC productions for a time prior to that.
As for the blogger, well, bloggers' opinions are like... well, you know, everyone's got one [ghost_tongue2] I for one hope that the film is as un-Charlie&ChocFac-like as possible. But after seeing Sweeney Todd, my faith in Burton to direct this film has increased (I still think someone like Guillermo del Toro might've been a more interesting choice for this one...)
Cathy
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A video taken on 04-14-09 of John August's Rancho Mirage seminar session where he briefly states that out of his pending projects Dark Shadows is the next thing that shoots and that it should be great; that they are waiting on Tim Burton. So finally John speaks about DS although there is no real news to report. His brief DS discussion starts at approximately at the 98:38 mark and only lasts about 20 seconds or so.
http://johnaugust.com/
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A lot of times I cannot view videos such as this. Can someone tell me what I need to download or do?
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Taeylor I believe downloading Adobe Flash Player 10 should solve all of your video playing issues and I believe it's free at this link or you can find it free at other websites. Perhaps other cousins here can confirm or recommend something else but it worked for me. http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/
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That didn't help Jimbo, however, I appreciate the effort. I have no idea what it is. I installed it and then restarted the computer but it still isn't showing anything. Again, much appreciated! :)
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Who really knows how long Tim Burton will be shooting his beloved Alice movie. One actor states in this interview that T.B. is presently fighting with Disney because Disney does not like the caterpillar that smokes. As long as the DS movie starts shooting this fall I could live with the great caterpillar debate. lol http://www.universityobserver.ie/2009/04/28/the-reluctant-villain/
Note to Taeylor. No problem I just wish you resolved your issue.
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That is kind of discouraging news. I don't want to divert the topic from it's title so I will holler at ya Jimbo! :) Thanks!
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That is interesting about the smoking caterpillar. The thing is, if I remember the original story correctly, he wasn't merely smoking, he was smoking a hookah, and I could imagine Disney being a little squeamish if they did that. A regular cigarette, not as much, but I suppose the world is very politically correct these days (personally, I hate smoking, but I think it's silly to censor it).
Anyway, here is a somewhat silly feature article (Ed Wood was a hit? It made about $5. Gilbert Grape and Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas were hits? They made about $10) that mentions DS:
Movie fan anticipates going to great Depps for vampires (http://www.courierpress.com/news/2009/may/03/movie-fan-anticipates-going-to-great-depps-for/)
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(Ed Wood was a hit? It made about $5. Gilbert Grape and Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas were hits? They made about $10)
LOL
I wonder if the writer actually spoke to any Orlando club fans, or if he just Googled DS and learned where they meet.
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Don't know if there is any significance to this but this production site posted the Dark Shadows movie today for the first time with a summer start date.
http://www.myentertainmentworld.com/mew/film_production_newlisting.html
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Good find, jimbo, I hope it's true! Though summer sounds a little on the optimistic side, considering it's already late May with no official confirmation. I'd be happy enough with a fall start. I'm not familiar with this website, but hope that it's solid on the prospect that the project is in gear! Didn't I also just read somewhere that John August has said DS is his "next one to film"?
Cathy
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Thank you madscntst. I would like to think that this is promising news. I remembered this site when the 2004 pilot was in development and I vaguely remember subscribing for a very short period of time and if my memory is correct it was worth the subscription in terms of details and accuracy. My theory is that a source provided them the information just very recently. This site could have posted it when IMDb did and this tells me that the summer shoot is the latest information regarding the movie's status. If the source is credible, and that is a big if, then we should be hearing an announcement very soon. If not, it will be just another one of those listings that remain in limbo like the rest of us. Is it possible that Burton will be completing his Alice movie sooner than expected? Or has another director been hired to direct the DS movie? The site says it has been in business since September 1999 so it is not a fly by night business. Perhaps someone here who knows the movie industry knows of its reputation.
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Thank heavens: SAG Members Approve Feature, Prime-Time Contract (http://www.tvguide.com/News/SAG-Approves-Contract-1006744.aspx)
Now we no longer have the possibility of a strike hanging over the Depp/DS film.
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Pretty sure this does not impact the DS movie but it seems Disney is pushing hard to get the new Pirates movie off the ground.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=56211
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Teensy heads-up: Johnny will be on David Letterman NEXT Thursday, June 25 [ghost_smiley] Thanks to the various Depp boards for the info.
Late Night TV listings (http://www.interbridge.com/lineups.html#LS)
Surely most of the focus will be on Public Enemies, but you never know if any future projects (ahem, DS) might be mentioned. He will also be doing some press junkets for PE very soon, so ditto. (BTW I'm not sure I like the sound of them pushing hard to do Pirates 4, lol [ghost_tongue2]
Cathy
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Thanks for the heads up Madscntst about JD's appearance on the David Letterman show this coming week. So far he seems to have alluded being asked any DS questions which is understandable since he is promoting PE but there is always hope.
This article is about Tim Burton's Alice movie which indicates in part filming was completed in December but the 3D process seems to be still ongoing(?)
http://www.usatoday.com/life/movies/news/2009-06-21-alice-in-wonderland_N.htm
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Unfortunately it looks like we will have to wait until next year for filming to begin on the DS movie as per Mr. Depp himself. He does have kind words for Dark Shadows.
http://www.collider.com/2009/06/22/johnny-depp-interview-alice-in-wonderland-dark-shadows-and-pirates-of-the-caribbean-4/
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Interesting that they're still tweaking the script. Though I can't say that I think that's a bad thing because I would much rather that they get it right than that they get it fast. Some of the best scripts have gone through multiple rewrites - so the situation is nothing new in the industry. And as far as Alice In Wonderland taking longer than initially reported, well, that's not much of a surprise either.
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I didn't see the news until this morning. All the Depp fans seem very excited about this, but I am disappointed that it won't be done this year [ghost_wink] Still, I think that Johnny's enthusiasm speaks volumes. Earlier yesterday evening, there was another article from the press conferences where he'd been asked about The Man Who Killed Don Quixote (the ill-fated film he started with Terry Gilliam in 2000, which became the subject of the documentary Lost In La Mancha), and you could just tell he's no longer interested in doing it. But he seems genuinely thrilled about DS. So... we wait a little longer, but my fingers remain crossed!
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I think Johnny actually said that they will "probably" attack the movie next year. Not sure if he meant that there was a possibility that the movie may be filmed the year after that or that there was a possibility that the movie could still be filmed later this year?
I still don't know why Sam Sarkar told us in March that an announcement from WB was imminent. I think it will be a long time before we here from WB. Also just wondering what Johnny will be doing from July to the end of this year in terms of his acting profession. He could certainly use a nice long vacation but he will probably try to squeeze in another movie?
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Also just wondering what Johnny will be doing from July to the end of this year in terms of his acting profession. He could certainly use a nice long vacation but he will probably try to squeeze in another movie?
We are wondering the same thing, jimbo! In general, Johnny is a workaholic and doesn't often have much downtime. But there have been exceptions, including the early 00's and the 2nd half of '07 (he took time off between Sweeney Todd and Public Enemies). With all the projects that are on his plate right now, I would've expected him to have something lined up for this fall. On the other hand, one one board someone reminded us that he's just made 4 (4!!) films in the past 15 months: Public Enemies, Alice In Wonderland, Rango and The Rum Diary. So maybe it's time for another break, though I certainly think he could indeed squeeze something else in this year.
I just found out that his partner, Vanessa Paradis, is filming a movie right now, and once the Public Enemies premieres are over with, he may just want to be with her and the kids while she is filming. Also, his production company has a lot of stuff in development (many of which he won't star in) so it's possible he may spend the time getting the ball rolling on some of those. My personal wish is that he'll do some kind of musical project. I run a website devoted to Johnny's musical pursuits and try to keep up with news about that, and last year there was a rumor that he might start a record label-- maybe wishful thinking but I'd love to see it happen.
Anyway, if DS wasn't on the verge of being greenlit by now, I really don't see how it could come together this year. Sam Sarkar seemed very confident, but maybe the script needed more tweaking, and as quite a few people have mentioned, it may be more a matter of waiting for Tim Burton than for Johnny at this stage. This is probably why the folks involved with movies don't say a lot before things are pretty solid, because so many things can happen to slow a project down and too many fans like us start to jump the gun [ghost_wink] But I agree with MB in that I'd rather have them take a little longer and be fully ready to do it. The bright side is that Johnny seems genuinely thrilled to be doing it, and since he's producing it as well, we know he's going to be firing on all cylinders to do it right!
Cathy
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Thanks Madscntst for your thoughts and information. I am still going to hope that the DS movie starts later this year although that now appears to be wishful thinking. This movie business is very strange. For example, GK Films, only about 3 weeks ago, sent an email to myentertainmentworld indicating that the DS movie would begin shooting this summer and provided production information. It seems that it is not only the fans who jump the gun. It gives the impression that all of the DS producers are not on the same page. It has always been true that it is better that the movie gets done properly especially if more are to follow. It certainly is encouraging that the man himself said that the DS movie is going to happen. Can't beat that.
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I don't really fault Sam Sarkar for his comments (or for SG saying casting news would be forthcoming) because that was before the news came out that Burton felt he needed more time with Alice In Wonderland. The business with GK Films seems odd, however. But maybe they were simply hoping that even though Burton had expressed needing more time, he actually wouldn't? [idontknow] It's also interesting that supposedly they had already rented studio space for the sets. I wonder if they began work on the sets and have simply extended the rental agreement (which could be a costly option)? Or if they held off and will rent the space again at a later time? Or maybe if they did begin work, they've simply put what they'd done in storage at this point?
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I guess only Sam Sarker and GK Films know the answers. The business with GK Films is indeed interesting as that information was confirmed with a subsequent communication from myentertainmentworld to GK Films who insisted that the late summer shoot was correct. Is it possible said company did not want to wait any longer for TB and wanted a different director? That is unlikely but anything is possible.
MB I also read somewhere that WB had rented stage lots at Pinewood Studios for the fall shoot. You raise a good question as to what is happening with that aspect. I wonder what WB thoughts are on this apparent delay. I would think WB would want to cash in on the vampire craze.
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Pretty cool to see "yes" next to Dark Shadows on a card Johnny was carrying. Glad there was not a "no" next to DS. lol
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/06/23/johnny-depp-reveals-his-upcoming-projects-pirates-4-and-dark-shadows/
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Is anybody else following John August on Twitter? He is fairly active on there, and recently mentioned a script that he'd finished. This might be the best route if you're interested in the possibility of getting the latest scraps of information on how the DS script is coming along. He recently mentioned a script that he'd managed to get approved in record time (no, it was not DS).
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Thanks MirandaD. I do try to monitor his website and Tweets-some of which I have no idea what he is saying. lol But I did catch that recent reference that John was working on a Tim Burton movie. I think more of us should monitor his site and his Twitter account.
On another note I asked the person running the Tim Burton Collective site essentially why it was only a possibility that the DS movie may film next year. He brought up the possibility that Tim Burton may be shooting Frankenweenie prior to the Dark Shadows movie. That could be a reason why Johnny used the word probably. You can see the exchange under the Wonderland/Dark Shadows article's comments. I just hope that is not the case.
http://www.timburtoncollective.com/tbcnews.html
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Originally all the reports did indeed say that Burton would followup Alice In Wonderland with Frankenweenie - that's why I kept saying that heavens knows when DS would get made. But then abruptly Frankenweenie fell off the radar, and we began seeing reports that DS was going to be Burton's next movie after AIW, that Warner's had rented studio space for DS, and that an announcement about DS was imminent from Warner's. And I'm trying to think - wasn't there even an interview a few months back where Burton himself said DS would be his followup to AIW (perhaps it was in the LA Times - I don't have time to check right now)? Not that Burton can't change his mind - but for the last several months reports have left little doubt that DS was definitely on the fast track to be Burton's next movie after AIW.
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I think we're in luck! [ghost_smiley] By all accounts and interviews, Johnny Depp views playing Barnabas as a dream come true. Given his immense success, I would guess that he has enough clout to get DS done fairly soon.
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I do share MirandaD your enthusiasm that Depp will get this DS movie done.
MB unfortunately we have to speculate on this but it sure makes for an interesting discussion. If we knew when Tim Burton will complete his Alice movie, we would be in better position of having an idea when the DS movie might begin filming. If TB is finished with Alice let's say by October or earlier, then the DS film could possibly start filming later this year. I am assuming the script will be completed by then. If TB needs more than that time, then the odds of DS being filmed this year decreases proportionately. On the other hand, TB may want to immediately begin shooting Frankenweenie based on the fact that his special visual team is already in place. Just a guess of course. But as you said everything points out that DS will be Tim's next project but something doesn't sit right with me at this moment.
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The following link was tweeted by John August about an hour ago. Video from Johnny Depp himself as to which projects will happen when.. he says DS next year! I assume that means it will start filming then.
http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/403039/depps-future-projects.jhtml#id=1614449
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Thanks MirandaD for that excellent linked video clip. Josh was sneeky. lol JD did not hesitate at all in his response.
The writer of this article strongly advises that the DS movie shoots asap not to lose out on the vampire craze.
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/06/24/johnny-depp-might-have-dark-shadows-in-his-future/
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Thanks, jimbo, for the article. I suppose trendiness has to enter into this, but one would hope that a fine film of whatever genre would be a hit in theatres. Plus, we have an A list star, something no version of DS has ever come close to having. I personally think it may be too late to cash in on the latest vampire mania by the time the DS movie comes out (my guess here is 2011), but frankly, it seems to me that vampires in the arts are never really out of style.
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I hope I don't sound like a broken record, but I think it's wise to take any of the various tidbits that have been scattered here and there, including those from Sam Sarkar, that myproductionweekly woman, etc., with a grain of salt and realize that everything is very tentative until a firm production schedule is announced (and sometimes even after!) I don't have any problem with Sam Sarkar's earlier statements- I feel he was trying to express optimism for the project, and at the very least I think it shows that he is very confident in how things are going. If the "imminent" announcement never happened, it is probably due mainly to what we all already heard- that Tim's involvement with Alice In Wonderland, and maybe the script, were taking longer than expected. The actual timing is just something that has to be juggled, particularly at this point with regard to Tim (and I honestly don't know where Frankenweenie fits into all of this, but I just hope it won't interfere at all). I also don't have any problem with whoever gave some information to myproductionweekly. *If* the project had been ready to go this summer, they would have wanted to start getting prepared for that, and that might include sending notices to industry publications. Remember again that the information there was not intended for the public- I think of it as a good sign for planning, but also realizing that many times the planning is a bit tentative in the early stages.
While I'm disappointed that DS doesn't seem ready to go this year, overall, everything seems to look very good for this film. Richard Zanuck, Sam Sarkar, and Johnny have been extremely enthusiastic, and have always had (cautiously) optimistic things to say about the film's progress. When I compare this with the ups and downs and at least 3 false starts with regard to Shantaram, as well as The Rum Diary, which finally got made after several false starts, DS seems to be very smooth sailing so far (knock wood!) This is a good thing!! Johnny's statements the other day are all very informative and very telling, and they represent to me the most accurate information that we've yet been given. At this point, from Johnny's statements, I believe that the film will 1) be done next year, 2) with Tim, 3) it's his lifelong dream, 4) that and Pirates 4 are the main priorities on his horizon right now, with The Lone Ranger and Rex Mundi obviously in a more primitive state of development (And Sin City 3 and The Man Who Killed Don Quixote possibly not happening at all). This is all welcome news to my ears!
Remember that Johnny will be on Letterman tomorrow, and while the chances that DS will be mentioned are small, it is another chance to possibly hear something more. At the very least, maybe he'll tell Dave what he is planning to do with the second half of this year [ghost_wink]
Miranda, Johnny does have a lot of clout and respect in Hollywood these days, and I feel very confident that he is producing and starring, given that. It doesn't make anything guaranteed- in our current economy, the industry as a whole isn't in very strong shape, but I think that this particular project looks as strong as can be without it having already been made. As for the vampire craze, not only do I think you make a good point that DS may be too late to cash in on the craze, but I also have a little fear that there may be some backlash from too many vampire projects in the works (not only True Blood and the Twilight franchise, but I've heard there is a new franchise called The Vampire Diaries, and I have also heard that there will be an American remake of last year's wonderful film Let The Right One In). As you say, though, hopefully vampires will never go out of style, especially if it's a quality story!
Cathy
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Madscntst and MirandaD I really enjoyed reading your posts. It's always been a double edged sword. We want this DS movie to be filmed asap and yet we want it done correctly. I am very confident that JD and TB will give this movie every chance of succeeding and being as great as a new DS movie can be. This movie development process can be most frustrating. Regarding Sarkar and GK Films, it is great that they are showing tremendous enthusiasm for the project but they are expected to since they are in the business to make money. But I am glad that they are co-producers of this film. These are exciting times for the DS franchise and I hope that the movie gets filmed so that we can also get the NODS and HODS released on DVD and that Darren Gross' hard and long work on the NODS restoration project comes to see the light of day and his work recognized.
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You make very good points, jimbo and madscntst. While I am anxious to see the finished product, I would gladly wait months longer for the best possible movie, as long as that is what the wait is due to. I've been getting carried away with excitement by the enthusiasm Johnny expressed for DS. It certainly is music to my ears to hear how much he wants to play the role and how much he loves the show. As somebody who's seen all the DS remakes including the '04 pilot, I have to remain cautiously optimistic on this new version.
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Hey jimbo, I think that maybe I'm just a little more used to the ups and downs of Johnny's various movie projects, so even though in some ways I have the same reactions as you do, I am not as worried because I haven't seen any real setbacks for DS.
And jimbo, you're gonna love this one-- our good friends at Entertainment Weekly, you know, the ones who once basically said DS was dead in the water, now have an item up about the DS film- it looks like they spoke to Johnny briefly at the Public Enemies premiere on Tuesday:
Johnny Depp, Tim Burton on board for 'Dark Shadows' (http://news-briefs.ew.com/2009/06/johnny-depp-tim-burton-on-board-for-dark-shadows.html)
Cathy
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Nice catch Madscntst. Isn't EW like two days late with this story? Isn't this the publication that prides itself on being on the cutting edge on entertainment developments? jk I guess it is better late than never but they never did admit on being wrong about DS.
When the second Dark Shadows movie is in development, I will be in a better position just to sit back and watch things unfold without having panick attacks. lol
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our good friends at Entertainment Weekly, you know, the ones who once basically said DS was dead in the water, now have an item up about the DS film
Finally. And there are some interesting comments that basically reflect the same things that have been said here.
It'll be interesting to see if anything makes it into the next print issue. Possibly not because this week's issue is a double one...
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...closing eyes, dreaming of Johnny Depp appearing at a DS Fest in 2010 after a hugely successful DS Movie....now refusing to open eyes and face reality... [gorgeous] [love7]
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Hey guys not much time but I am so excited to hear Johnny comment on DS! YAY! SO HAPPY to hear some good news in this week of Hollywood tragedies!
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I'm pretty sure this is just a recycling of other interview(s) from the last couple of weeks. Nothing new. Also, she doesn't seem to have DS quite right [ghost_wink] But for what it's worth, from the Examiner.com:
Johnny Depp says Tim Burton's vampiric 'Dark Shadows' 'is happening' (http://www.examiner.com/x-11613-Books-on-Film-Examiner~y2009m7d4-Johnny-Depp-says-Tim-Burtons-vampiric-Dark-Shadows-is-happening)
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Not sure why WB never speaks about the Dark Shadows movie/franchise. Here WB discusses its big movies through 2012. DS was not reflected or even referenced that it's on its slate. I guess we are going to have another uneventful boring DS movie panel at the Fest unless things break before then.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118005884.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
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It was more than a month ago that I gave up on this year's Fest revealing much of anything. Then again, there is a slim chance that no big news is breaking because they plan to break it at the Fest. But with the delays due to Burton's extended involvement with Alice In Wonderland seemingly pushing everything to next year, even that possibility seems to be dimming...
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Wasn't it at the big ComicCon in San Diego that the original announcement regarding the new DS movie was made? I think that was a couple of years ago.. but I am curious/hoping maybe something more will be mentioned there this year. Is anybody from here going? It's July 23-26th.
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MB
I think you were correct when you used the term slim chance that details on the movie will be revealed to us at the Fest. I just can't see people in the know like Sarkar, GK, Zanuck are going to keep their mouths closed so that an announcement could be made at a Dark Shadows Festival; although I have to say that anything is possible in this industry I am gradually learning about. I would just hate to see JP at the podium again rambling about how high WB is on this movie series project-so high that WB does not make even reference DS in the above article; it would be nice if JP can actually provide some specifics as opposed to spinning and providing wishful and or speculative utterances.
MirandaD
Variety did break the news on July 26 or 27, 2007 so it seems your timing is correct that it may have coincided with a ComicCon although Variety does not specifically mention that. Let's hope we hear something.
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MirandaD Tim Burton will be at ComicCon on July 23, 2009 for an Alice panel. Perhaps you are right. Maybe some details could be disclosed there about the DS movie.
http://www.timburtoncollective.com/tbcnews.html
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Firefox is blocking TimBurtonCollective at the present time because Google received a report last week of malicious activity on the site.
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I am surprised because we previously posted links to that site without an incident as you described. Perhaps Firefox's settings are too sensitive. Better safe than sorry I guess. I have Verizon Security Suite (dropped Norton) and I have no idea if its protection is sufficient. Here is another link.
http://www.comic-con.org/cci/cci09_prog_thu.php
11-12:30 on 07-23-09
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There was something in the news, maybe last week but I'm not really sure exactly when, that some sort of virus or something was spread to thousands of websites. I've been receiving warnings from my computer protection programs (even the latest version of IE) when I've clicked on websites, including those I've visited several times warning of something "malicious" imbedded in them. There was one even for the website of a particular cruise line, buried deep in it, in a sub-link. I called the cruise line's 800 number and told them. Later in the day I got an e-mail from them saying they checked into it and, sure enough, someone had imbedded a malicious bug in it totally unbeknownst to them until I informed them.
Gerard
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This same thing happened to Awards Daily (an Oscar watch site) a couple of weeks ago, for several days. They claimed they were fine all along, but better safe than sorry, I thought, so I heeded the warnings. I don't go to Tim Burton Collective often, but I hope they'll be okay soon-it's a nice site.
Cathy
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jimbo, one of the many articles I pulled up on the Depp DS movie stated that the news about DS came out at the big Comic Con in SD '07, although I can't for the life of me remember which article! However, once I read that it all fell into place time-wise. Too bad I don't still live in SD!
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MirandaD, if you refer to this thread's main topic on page 1, you'll see that Variety broke the news on Thursday, July 26.
The first link in the topic to a ComicCon article is in this post on page 5:
Lots of articles turning up on this subject. Take a look at the one below. Some inaccuracies but overall good.
Depp Sinks Teeth Into Classic Character (http://www.cinemablend.com/television/Depp-Sinks-Teeth-Into-Classic-Character-5538.html)
The above article is dated 7/29, and it states that the announcement was made at ComicCon by Warner's on Friday (7/27).
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Thanks Midnite! Right under my nose .. [ghost_cool]
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MirandaD Comic Con does seem to be a good source of information. At the very minimum we should find out if TB is finished with Alice or if more work is required. We know Alice's endgame which is March so we know Tim will be done by then or months before that. Plus I am hoping that Tim will be asked about the DS movie. At least here is an opportunity to learn more information.
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jimbo, we can hope for good news from Comic Con! By the way, John August was on twitter last night asking people their opinions on good gunfights. Today on his website he said he is busy working on "Preacher" (for which he has to write a gunfight). What that means for DS I have no idea, but there it is!
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I have a question. Maybe it's been answered here before and I missed it but why is there the assumption that Jim Pierson/Fest knows anything more about the movie than anyone else? The rights were purchased from DCP. Does that obligate Depp/Burton and company to keep JP and/or the DCP updated as to the progress of the movie or lack thereof?
Nancy
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It was reported somewhere along the way that Pierson would be a consultant on the film. Though you're probably right that even that doesn't mean that he's being kept in the loop about every development. The former DCP person who would most likely always be in the loop would be David Kennedy as he's a producer. But who knows whether Kennedy keeps Pierson informed? [idontknow]
What that means for DS I have no idea, but there it is!
Maybe it means he's finally done tweaking the DS script.
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I don't doubt Jim will be involved with the project but communications in that industry are not any better than they are in any other setting which means inadequate in my experience. That said, there is no reason to keep Jim in the loop until he is actually needed. I don't think there is any obligation.
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I assume most people read "consultant" as someone who would be, at least as part of their job, involved in script ideas. But again, who knows? And we all know how dangerous it is to assume. [ghost_grin]
At this point I don't honestly recall which report mentioned Pierson's involvement. Maybe someone else does and can point us to it. The actual wording might clarify things better.
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the word "consultant" like the word "producer" can mean a myraid of things depending on the person or entity assigning the title to someone. In my experience, there is a consultant (more business and fact-oriented) and a "creative consultant" who does have the involvement you stated in your post. I've been both and they can be very different things. I've also been a producer and that title can also mean many things as well.
nancy
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I found a reference to the report in this topic's reply #322. Unfortunately, though, the actual report is no longer up on MPI's site so all we seem to have left is the bit that Midnite quoted:
Don't ever underestimate Jim Pierson's resourcefullness to have his name placed somewhere. jk Actually he is certainly the man to critique the script.
I think that's a safe bet, jimbo, considering Pierson's ties to Producer David Kennedy. And this is from the article "Johnny Depp to Portray the Angst-Ridden Vampire Barnabas Collins?" at http://mpimedia.com/wp/?p=19 --
Producer Jim Pierson of Dan Curtis Productions and MPI Media Group will serve as a consultant on the project.
But at any rate, whatever his involvement ultimately is, as I said here:I don't envy the position that being a consultant on the film puts him.
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It was reported somewhere along the way that Pierson would be a consultant on the film.
I think we all should be asked to be consultants on the film! Who better to ask to evaluate and critique the perfect story, script and approach? Heck, we could all agree to do it just for the popcorn. But then considering how much popcorn costs in theaters now that would probably add a considerable amount to the movie's budget.
Gerard
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Here is my 2 cents on this issue if Jim Pierson is in the know on the developments of the Dark Shadows movie.
David Kennedy is in fact a producer of the movie. David Kennedy is representing DC's family's interests in this movie. Can we assume that Kennedy is keeping the family up to date on the movie's developments? I would think so. Can we assume also that the other producers of the movie are keeping Kennedy in the loop? That should be a given. Then the question is is Kennedy keeping JP in the loop? How could he not? In fact it may actually be reversed. JP may have more of a role in this movie project than Kennedy himself if JP is actually a fully active consultant and that Kennedy may have other professional commitments. In any event, I would say that it is more likely than less likely that JP is involved in this project and is kept in the loop by Kennedy and/or the other DS producers or its writer.
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I can't imagine the DC family being kept up to date. When you buy the rights or license to a "product" or entity, the only reason any representative of said license holder would be kept updated is in relation to the completion of the project for which the license was purchased. Maybe occasionally an update about where the project is if an inquiry is made.
Even if we were to assume Jim Pierson knows where the project is at this stage, there are a multitude of reasons why he cannot share information on an ongoing basis. There's no reason to be secretive for the heck of it. Afterall, it's just a movie and not a plot to overthrow a government. [ghost_wink]
It's normal rather an abnormal to keep information about an ongoing project to a minimum until the last minute. TV series do this all the time.
nancy
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Also, I hope for Jim's sake he has a substantial role in the new DS film if only because such work is how the man earns his living. If he is not involved in a project, he doesn't earn any income.
Nancy
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Nancy thanks for your input and insight. I also do hope that Jim does have a big role in the movie-is there a person more dedicated to Dark Shadows?
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I do think however, that it would be nice if Jim can share some information at this year's Festival if he is able to. For example, if he knows when the movie may start shooting, I don't believe that in itself is like revealing a big government secret. Any information that Jim can share with us at the Dark Shadows Festival will be greatly appreciated by all. Hopefully, the DS movie panel will be an interesting one.
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Wow, it's almost bedtime, but I see that there has been a very interesting discussion going on this afternoon and evening. Of course, I have to chime in! [ghost_wink]
I think that Nancy hits the nail on the head when she says that it's pretty typical for information dispersal about a film to be kept at a minimum while a project is still in development. This is not unique to Dark Shadows- we Depp fans go through the same frustration with every project ;) And the folks involved in developing a film are just not concerned with keeping the public informed about every step. Believe me, I would love to know every step as it's happening! But it just doesn't happen. Well, they don't know what I do in my job day to day, either!
As for Pierson, Kennedy, or DCP, all I can say is that in the past, Tim Burton and Johnny Depp, separately or together, have both been very interested in staying as true as possible to the subject matter, and both are willing to do a lot of research. Even when there has been no formal obligation to the original source (Stephen Sondheim for Sweeney Todd, or the estates of J.M. Barrie for Finding Neverland or Roald Dahl for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory... Tim wasn't involved in Finding Neverland but it was a similar situation for Johnny and the directors and producers of that film) they have been very interested in getting feedback and approval from these sources. I would guess that they'd consider someone like Pierson a gold mine. The only thing that's too bad is that they don't realize what expertise WE would be able to give them, too! [ghost_wink] But I hope that they've gotten all the input they can from DS experts, because it will only help preserve the spirit of the show and its good name!
Cathy
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FYI This is what John August had to say (not complete) at his website today in reference to next week's Comic Con. www.johnaugust.com
"None of my projects are directly featured this year, though Jordan Mechner will be on a panel about his Prince of Persia graphic novel a prequel to the movie and Tim Burton will inevitably get questions about our next two movies."
What is the other one?
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Isn't August supposed to write Frankenweenie? I forget already...
As for the Depp/DS film not being directly featured, that doesn't come as a surprise because there's nothing to directly feature. [ghost_wink]
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He must be referring to Frankenweenie:
John August's IMDb page (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041864/)
(Oops sorry MB, crossposted! Usually I get a warning that someone else posted while I was composing, but I dunno, I didn't see your post!)
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Thank you MB and Madscntst. Must be old age creeping up on me. I had already forgotten about Frankenweenie even though we discussed that movie here. It will be interesting to hear what Tim has to say.
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This is just a tabloid article, and there is no DS content. But it does show Johnny's dedication to all things vampiric! [ghost_smiley]
Johnny Depp Likes Vampires! (http://www.showbizspy.com/article/189308/johnny-depp-likes-vampires)
As to whether he likes Twilight, I don't know whether *he* does, but there was a paparazzi shot a couple of months ago spotting his daughter with one of the Twilight books [ghost_smiley]
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Thanks jimbo, for the update on John August's site. Comic Con is the weekend after next, so maybe we will hear something after all!
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Madscntst I am sure Johnny has some of the Dark Shadows books that were sent to him. Thanks for posting that article. It's really going to be interesting on how Johnny interprets the Barnabas character.
MirandD it seems now that there is a good possibility we will learn something about where Tim stands on Alice and possibly we may know when DS may shoot and maybe we won't. lol Time will tell but I am hopeful.
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This interview with Tim Burton leaves the impression that he is nowhere near completing his Alice movie.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/07/17/exclusive-tim-burton-to-present-semi-trailer-for-alice-in-wonderland-at-comic-con/
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jimbo, many thanks for bringing the Tim Burton interview on over! You're right.. it doesn't look good for DS with all the problems it appears AIW is presenting, technologically. We just might have to wait longer than we had hoped to for DS to start filming.. I've been waiting many years for a good film version of DS (after HODS and NODS of course). I guess I can wait a couple of years longer!
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I think we can say it's more than an impression - Burton comes right and says, "Theres not a lot of footage to show." [ghost_wink] And given previous reports, including that the Depp/DS film has been pushed to next year because of Burton's extended involvement with AIW, that doesn't come as a surprise. Thankfully for Burton, though, he has plenty of time to get the film ready for its scheduled release in March 2010. But for our sake let's just hope it doesn't take quite that long because that would mean we'd still have more than seven months before the Depp/DS film could begin...
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Which also gives the Pirates 4 production team seven more months to get its act together. Its producers have indicated that they plan on shooting Pirates in 2010. The advantage the DS movie has over Pirates at this moment is that it appears that its script is complete. But is there a guarantee that Dark Shadows will be Depp's next shooting movie? We only know that the next Tim Burton/Johnny Depp movie project will be Dark Shadows. I could see Dark Shadows possibly being further delayed by other projects.
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In the movie business there's no such thing as a guarantee. All indications at this present juncture seem to point to the DS film as Depp's next project. But realistically, unforeseen things can and do happen. I mean, just a few months back things looked like the DS film was a go for late summer, but then Burton's extended involvement with AIW delayed things...
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I guess to be fair and objective I am posting this article who's writer is opposed to the Dark Shadows remake film. I obviously do not agree with him.
http://thenorthernlight.canadaeast.com/whatson/article/734756
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I am posting this article who's writer is opposed to the Dark Shadows remake film.
I wouldn't argue that he's entitled to his opinion (even though many of us would disagree), but one thing he might want to do before he writes his next column/diatribe is check his facts because Zac Efron dropped out of the Footloose remake more than three months ago. But then, I guess his motto might be (as it seemingly is with so many people posting blogs) why let little things like facts spare the world of a diatribe. [ghost_wink] [ghost_rolleyes]
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Having experienced high hopes originally for a revival of a Dark Shadows series on TV, which I think is the best format for DS, I've finally settled into a general disinterest in a new film version of DS. The 1991 TV remake had some good aspects, but it wasn't "the same" as the original DS. A movie now is going to have little of what makes the original series something unique in television history. After 40 years, a new movie version is going to have little in common with the DS that many of us grew up with. I could accept Johnny Depp as a new Barnabas, but after forcing myself to make it through "Sleepy Hollow" after several attempts, I just can't see Tim Burton as the right person to direct something like "Dark Shadows," with its complex characters, intricate mysteries, and old-fashioned Gothicism. I'm content personally to keep the flame going for the original, and don't want its memory or unique place in television history usurped by a 21st century movie.
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While I, myself, am very excited about seeing a new DS on the big screen, I do share Philippe's qualms about Tim Burton directing it. I didn't really care for Sleepy Hollow, and while I have greatly enjoyed other Burton films, I haven't seen in them anything that shows me he knows how to handle the kind of atmosphere and tone that would be appropriate for DS. But in regard to Johnny Depp, I consider him to be immensely talented, and have no doubt that he would do a fantastic job in the role of Barnabas Collins. And since he's a lifelong fan of DS, and this project is essentially his baby, I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that he's worked things out with Burton to ensure that the film keeps to the essential spirit of the previous incarnations of DS.
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Tim Burton: Dark Shadows will film next year.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/07/21/exclusive-tim-burton-says-dark-shadows-will-shoot-next-year/
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Let's pray to God that Burton doesn't decide to do the Depp/DS film solely as "campy melodrama"! [ghost_shocked] That has been my fear since he was announced as director. But I'm trying to take solace from the fact that he also believes that DS is "dead seriousand decidedly odd." That's more promising. Let's hope he ultimately decides the tone and vibe should focus more in that direction...
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This may sound like a silly question but doesn't August's script set the tone of the movie? I mean I would think they got together with August before he started to write the script and they had already decided if they were going in a campy direction or in a dead serious one. Doesn't TB already have an idea which way he will set the tone of the movie because that must have been communicated to August in order that he could write the treatment and then ultimately the script? For example, if TB wanted DS to be a dead serious movie he needed to communicate that idea to the writer so I am guessing TB has a plan in place. But based on this article it sounds like he is still playing with the movie's concept although the script has been completed.
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A serious script can easily be turned into campy melodrama if the director instructs the actors to play it that way. It's all a matter of degree of performance.
As I said at the outset, I thought Burton's style can often be a bit too quirky to be compatible with the DS universe. But I've tried to put that feeling aside and to keep an open mind that Burton could reign in much of his quirkiness when directing the Depp/DS film. However, Burton's response to the description of DS as "campy melodrama" doesn't exactly help me keep an open mind. But I'll definitely try to hold onto the other remarks to balance that one...
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Thanks jimbo for that link! I agree, MB, that the choices an actor makes do tend to set the tone. My expectations for any DS movie are pretty low, to be honest. If Burton is intent upon creating the correct vibe for the movie, I'd be overjoyed just at that success. I thought it was the author of the piece and not Burton describing it as "campy melodrama"? Did I misread?
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I thought it was the author of the piece and not Burton describing it as "campy melodrama"? Did I misread?
Not at all. But it's Burton's claim in response to that question that they're still debating the tone and vibe the film should take and that campy melodrama is seemingly even a possibility that scares me. [ghost_blink]
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I love Tim, and even I have some reservations about him directing this particular film. Usually, I love the universes that he creates, but as others have mentioned, DS seems a bit stranger of a fit for him than, say, Alice In Wonderland (which IMHO is a perfect choice for him). I do love both Sweeney Todd and Sleepy Hollow, and if DS is somewhat along those lines, with a little bit of subtle humor but not enough to make the story silly, I think I'll be okay. DS is not silly!
With regards to Sweeney Todd, a lot of the diehards of the musical didn't think that Tim's take was humorous *enough*, and if you've seen the wonderful stage show, you'll understand why they say that. But I find it a positive sign that Tim understood that some of the jokes that went over so well on stage just wouldn't translate to the tone of the movie, and so I'm hoping that he'll be able to show restraint on the "campy" temptations.
At any rate, I'm thrilled that Tim spoke about the project to MTV. I hope we'll be hearing more and more tidbits soon!
Cathy
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It seems that Tim Burton is just going to close his eyes and believe that the 1991 Dark Shadows never happened. I would say that series was dead serious most of the time and that is what Tim should go with. (not an exact duplication of the 1991 series of course). What is there to think about? I would say the ending of the 2004 pilot would be considered campy melodrama and that final scene ruined that pilot imo.
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jimbo, to me the whole 2004 pilot was campy in a "Tales from the Crypt" kind of way, and for that reason I did not enjoy it very much. Certainly the last scene was completely over-the-top.
But back on topic.. I did a search on the Comic Con website, and here's what came up under Tim Burton's name:
Thursday, July 23
11:00-12:30 Disney: 3D Panel Walt Disney Pictures presents key filmmakers, select cast members and previously unseen footage from its upcoming slate, including Disneys A Christmas Carol, Alice In Wonderland and Tron. Special guests include Robert Zemeckis, Tim Burton, Sean Bailey, Steve Lisberger, and moderator Patton Oswalt. Hall H
Categories: Animation | Movies | Science Fiction & Fantasy
Friday, July 24
2:30-3:30 Focus Features: 9 Focus Features and Comic-Con present an exclusive look inside director Shane Acker's animated fantasy epic 9, the feature-length expansion of his short film of the same name. Directors Tim Burton and Timur Bekmambetov are among the feature version's producers. The action-packed adventureopening nationwide 9/9/09takes place after our world fell to pieces, when a group of "stitchpunk" creations must summon individual strengths well beyond their own proportions. While showcasing a stunning steampunk-styled visual brilliance, 9 dynamically explores the will to live, the power of community, and how one soul can change the world. Join Shane Acker, Tim Burton, Timur Bekmambetov, and actors Elijah Wood and Jennifer Connelly LIVE for this panel presentation! Hall H
Categories: Animation | Movies | Science Fiction & Fantasy
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I agree MirandaD that parts of the pilot was campy-scenes with the Elizabeth character is one performance that stands out as campy or over- the-top.
Thanks for the schedule of events. Wish I could be there. It will be interesting to see when in 2010 they will shoot the film. Just because Tim is ready may not mean Johnny is but it should both be there next movie project. And I think we should finally be hearing from the studio for an official announcement "soon". There is that word again.
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Interesting article from the Hollywood Reporter on Johny Depp's future projects akin to being all dressed up with no where to go. Dark Shadows is mentioned.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i00860fac3d23b30ee40277d8157b4624
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Definitely an interesting article. Some reports several months back were wondering if Depp was going to become overexposed because of so many films in his pipeline. I guess they no longer have to worry about that. And honestly, it could work to the benefit of the DS film if his disappearance from the scene for a time causes audiences to crave seeing him once the DS film is finally released. [ghost_wink]
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I could see Johnny speaking to Tim in January and telling him man I am ready to go with Dark Shadows and Tim replying not after I take my vacation. I don't know how long movies are suppose to be completed before its scheduled release date. If Alice is released in March I wonder how long before that Tim has to have completed his post production work. I am hoping that the movie could begin in early 2010 but that now seems to be in doubt according to THR.
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There are no rules or set time for a movie to be completed before release. Obviously it needs to be completed in time to strike prints and get them to the theaters. But some films are completed more than a year before they're released - while others are still being assembled right up until the last minute.
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I just saw that Hollywood Reporter article and raced here to see if it had been posted, and as usual, jimbo has already got it covered [ghost_smiley] Well, Johnny's detractors *always* think he's overexposed, so that criticism is nothing new. With few exceptions (such as having no films out in 2008) he usually puts out about 2 films a year. There will be 2 this year, if Parnassus ends up being released. He also narrated a Doors documentary, which might be released soon. There will be at least 2 next year (Alice and The Rum Diary). Rango is scheduled for 2011. So, even if he is not that active right now, he still has a steady stream of films scheduled for release. He's not in danger of being someone like Jude Law, who I think I was just reading put out 6 films in one year a few years ago, but he will continue to have films released.
Alice is no doubt taking a long time because it's heavily animated *and* they're adding 3D. I'm disappointed (because of the delays it will cause DS) but not surprised that it's taking a long time. In contrast, The Rum Diary wrapped filming in June, and the director believes he will have it finished in Sept., which isn't surprising because it's just a straight drama without a lot of action or effects. So MB is right that films can take any amount of time.
I never saw the 2004 pilot, so this is the first that I've heard that it was campy. Maybe I'm glad that it wasn't picked up, then.
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Yet another article pertaining to the latest TB disclosure. The writer indicated that the movie is anticipated to be released in 2010. Don't know where he got that information from-maybe it's just a guess although I believe this is one of those respected sites? Time will tell if they place this movie on the fast track.
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00025853.html
Madscntst don't overestimate me. I just happened to be awake and catch the breaking news. lol As they say competition can be a good thing. You have done very well yourself. This is a team effort indeed.
I don't think for a second that Johnny is overexposed. Two movies a year is certainly not overkill. With all of Johnny in-the-work projects do you think he could squeeze in another or two Dark Shadows sequels and if so I wonder if TB would have the time to direct them.
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I forgot to mention also that Johnny's partner, Vanessa Paradis, has 3 French films in the works- she's filming one now, has one on tap, and I've heard that she just signed onto another one with Gerard Depardieu. That is a lot for her- her work isn't known here in the US, but she usually does a film every few years and as she's also a singer she releases an album every few years. A couple of years ago, she was on tour while Johnny was on a break between Sweeney Todd and Public Enemies. I don't know if it's that she's taking on these projects because Johnny has a break, or vice versa, but the end result is that Johnny can get to just be a dad to their 2 kids for a bit while Vanessa gets the chance to do more projects. (Or else maybe it's all just a coincidence [ghost_wink] I'm just speculatin' ) This said, I'm hoping hoping hoping that DS will be greenlit by the fall, and we'll have a better idea of the exact schedule.
Cathy
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I don't want to be overly pessimistic - and I'm sure Darren doesn't want to be either (though given how long he's been working on his pet project to get NoDS restored, it's easy to see how he could become that way from time to time - I'd be on several anti-depressants by now) - but in the hoDS/NoDS DVDs topic Darren seemed to think that the likelihood of the Depp/DS film being released before 2011 or even 2012 wasn't very good. And given the restoration of NoDS and the release of the DVDs is directly tied to the production of the Depp/DS film, one should be able to trust that he's in a position to know.
Of course, that doesn't necessarily mean that the Depp/DS film can't begin to shoot at some point in 2010 to be held for release until some point in 2011 or later. But given Darren's outlook, it seems unlikely that the film will begin shooting in the first quarter of 2010 as many of us have been greatly hoping. We should only be so lucky that some sort of miracle takes place and things do actually work out that way, but...
As for the '04 DS pilot, I didn't think it was campy. True, the end was over the top - but it was planned that that sequence would be edited down. We have to remember that what we saw was unfinished. [ghost_wink] But this isn't quite the topic to discuss any of that. There are other topics on the forum that have already been started to discuss such matters. This one, for example:The 2004 WB Pilot
[ghost_smiley]
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Another poll. This time from our friends at EW. I just hoping that things move more swiftly than we are speculating it might.
http://popwatch.ew.com/popwatch/2009/07/johnny-depp-movies.html
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At least that poll is far more realistic than the last one. And it's great to see that DS is currently leading the list with 40% of the vote - twice as much as the fourth Pirates film. That's quite a surprise. Apparently a lot of DS fans take part on EW's Web site. [ghost_wink]
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I guess Tim Burton already had his AIW panel and showed the clips - Johnny Depp showed up and here is a brief article mentioning what we already know about DS. The writer seems somewhat out of the loop!
http://www.ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=8381
I'm following kateyrich on twitter who is doing a live feed from the events.
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Love Burton's remark that he plans to do DS next if he ever finishes AIW. DS fans share his exasperation - though probably for different reasons. [ghost_wink] [ghost_sad]
And thanks for following kateyrich on Twitter, MirandaD. [ghost_smiley]
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MirandaD thanks for posting the link. The site shocktillyoudrop is also reporting what he basically told MTV yesterday or was it two days ago. I am not sure he will be giving us any more information in light of the fact he himself does not know when Alice will be finished.
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Tim Burton's complete quote "Yeah if I ever finish this one here [Alice in Wonderland]. It's hard to think beyond this at the minute but yeah that's the plan". Think Dark Shadows Tim. jk
http://io9.com/5321507/tim-burton-confirms-dark-shadows-vampire-johnny-depp
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I believe this is the 1st time I ever posted three posts in a row-sorry about that.
But I could not believe that Pirates 4 is possibly going to start filming next April or May. How is this possible?
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=57429
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jimbo, thanks for the links on those articles... I have to admit it is gratifying to see photos from the original series in the articles about the new movie. It seems to me that Pirates is slated to shoot April and May '10 and DS starting in the summer. I know some movies-of-the-week types are shot in very short timeframes, but 2 months seems really short for a major motion picture! So I don't know how they plan to do it either!
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I believe this is the 1st time I ever posted three posts in a row-sorry about that.
That's absolutely no problem. I'm sure everyone appreciates that you post the news as soon as you find it. [ghost_wink]
But I could not believe that Pirates 4 is possibly going to start filming next April or May. How is this possible?
Well, Darren did warn us of the possibility just the other day...
Personally, I love this comment made by one of the people responding to the io9.com piece:
Is there a way to cryogenically freeze myself until the day this opens?
Where's a Jupiter 2/LIS style freezing tube when you really need one? Considering all the delays that keep cropping up for the Depp/DS film, we all might want to seriously consider going into the deep freeze at least until everything finally gets worked out. Can our collective health really deal with all these highs and lows? [ghost_grin]
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Hi MirandaD and thank you MB. I was aware of the fact that Pirates was jockeying to beat out DS. But the fact that Pirates 4 may shoot before the DS movie makes my blood boil. DS has been two years in the making and now with a completed script, and Pirates 4 without a script and director somehow has pulled in front of the DS movie. If this is the case then its just disgraceful in my opinion. Tim Burton would have then single handily delayed the DS movie for over a year and a half. I realize that things often change in the movie industry. If this is the case here, Tim Burton should have asked to pull out of the DS movie and JD being any good producer should have honored his request. There are other visionary directors out there. I understand the relationship between TB and JD but JD needed to act as an independently competant producer. I said it way back that it was not imperative that TB be the director for the DS movie. It's no wonder that we have yet to hear from WB because they don't know themselves when Tim Burton will have completed his beloved Alice movie. I am all for TB to fulfill his dream project but not at the cost of the DS fans. TB just admitted that he has not had the time to even think about Dark Shadows or what direction he may take it in. Amazing. I am still keeping hope that TB and JD will do the right thing as DS is deserving of better treatment. If people are ok with waiting another year for TB to get his act together I respect that. I just don't agree with it.
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Tim Burton would have then single handily delayed the DS movie for over a year and a half.
Well, think of it this way - originally Burton was going to do both Alice In Wonderland and Frankenweenie before doing the Depp/DS film. At least DS got moved up to Burton's next film after AIW. [ghost_wink]
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That may or may not be totally true. In either event can a person guarantee that when Tim is finally ready to direct the DS movie that JD will be available? It now has been said that DS is Tim's next shooting movie but it doesn't say that it will be JD's next shooting movie. In either event its been a disturbing turn of events if this holds up to be the case.
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I just hope it will be shot in 3-D.
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Dark Shadows in 3-D? Anything is possible-there is no end to his imagination.
At the end of this brief interview at SDCC, Tim Burton was asked if he would be working on Alice right up to the movie's March deadline and he responded, "oh yeah, oh yeah" and joked that he should be leaving immediately to begin working on the film again. If that is true we also have to factor in that TB and JD will spend several weeks promoting the film so that brings us to the middle of April or so. I now don't see TB wanting to start the DS movie in April because he admitted that he won't be able to even think about DS until he finished Alice. I guess TB could have given his blessing to JD for him to start Pirates 4 first because TB needs several months to come up with an idea on how to approach filming DS. Speculation of course but it could be one reason of several why Pirates 4 may be starting filming before DS.
http://media.movies.ign.com/media/142/14219277/vids_1.html
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Good catch jimbo! Thanks for bringing this over..
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Thanks MirandaD. The Los Angeles Times also interviewed Tim Burton at the SDCC and this is what he had to say about the DS movie:
G.M.: You've talked about doing "Dark Shadows" next. Is that still the plan?
T.B.: I think so, yes. That's the plan. There was something very weird about that, it had the weirdest vibe to it. I'm sort of intrigued about that vibe. It's early days on it, but I'm excited about it.
Statements like "I think so", "it's early on it" you get the impression that the movie may not even get filmed in 2010 and is a far cry from the producers of the Pirates 4 movie who reflect a higher degree of confidence in it's project. I am excited that Tim is excited about the DS movie. If he could only back his words up with action.
Tim also addresses the vampire craze.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2009/07/tim-burton-on-dark-shadows-alice-in-wonderland-and-9-part-two.html
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I can't seem to find my post. However, I thought I refelected on the fact that DS is taking time. I am really cool with that. The pilot was rushed and turned out half good and half bad. I want this to have a perfect script, director and perfectly cast!
Just my two cents! I can wait for a while! Although it's torture at times! [ghost_wacko]
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Tim Burton would have then single handily delayed the DS movie for over a year and a half.
I disagree with the hostile tone you take towards Tim Burton. I don't think Pirates is his fault at all, as that is a project of Depp's only, and ultimately, Burton has no obligation (except contractual with some companies) to finish any film within a certain time frame, and I'm sure it isn't all his fault either that Alice is taking longer than he imagined. It is really better to just be patient - one day the film will be out and I'm sure it will at least be interesting to see what it turns out to be; attacking Tim Burton now won't make anything go faster.
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tragic bat you are certainly entitled to your opinion as I am. I stand by my posts 100% and I am not going to repeat my posts here because they are all self explanatory. They are what they are. If I choose to be impatient with the DS project well I am entitled to feel that way. Tim Burton has negatively impacted the DS movie's development and that is indisputable. I am merely criticizing TB inactions here and I am in no way attacking him. If you think I am attacking him clearly you have not read all my posts on Tim Burton.
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You must see this on Perezhilton.com:
http://perezhilton.com/2009-07-30-tim-burton-talks-dark-shadows-with-johnny-depp-of-course
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I feel so dirty after having gone there to read the post. But then, I suppose that just proves I'll go anywhere to read about DS. [ghost_grin] However, I do love that he thinks having posted about Burton's involvement last December was akin to breaking the news or something, but we've known unofficially of Burton's involvement since January '08 - and officially since June '08. Though considering the type of stories that site is more known for, I guess it's easy to see how the news of Burton's involvement with the Depp/DS film could have gone overlooked for longer than it was at most other sites. [ghost_wink]
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I think most of us have been in a situation where we wanted to start one project but scheduling conflicts and other issues prevented the project from going forward. It might help to remember that TB and JD's schedules are not the only ones to be considered when putting together the cast and crew for DS or any film TB and JD are working on together or individually. Directors tend to want to work with the same crew and things of that nature which doesn't normally get discussed during interviews but delays do happen because a director can't get the team he wants/needs for a specific project. It's a fickle business and scheduling and casting are equally fickle. I personally think enough has been squeezed out of the Pirates franchise but that's just me. [ghost_tongue]
I want Burton to have what he wants in place in place when he is ready to film "Dark Shadows." If that takes one year, two or three, so be it. [ghost_wub]
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I thought I refelected on the fact that DS is taking time. I am really cool with that. The pilot was rushed and turned out half good and half bad. I want this to have a perfect script, director and perfectly cast!
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I can't seem to find my post. However, I thought I refelected on the fact that DS is taking time ...
This one?--
As much as I want the DS movie to come out. ...
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I think it is crazy for Disney to make a Pirates 4. I'll bet it won't do as well as the first three. But I remember reading somewhere last year that filming DS was suppose to start this summer in London. What happened? Did Alice took too long to complete?
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Hi Doug. The studio Warner Bros has not even green lighted the movie and as far as I know never made any comment regarding when the DS movie would start filming. In fact the studio has not even directly uttered the words Dark Shadows. It's seems that several of the DS producers have previously informed the media that the DS movie would be filmed in the summer/late summer in London this year and even reported same to a movie production listing company. However, at that time they were possibly spinning this information in the hope that Burton would have completed filming Alice by then. Sadly for many DS fans, Burton apparently won't be done filming Alice until March 2010. Then you apparently had Disney (who's profits fell badly this past year and needs a hit movie) somehow convinced Depp to film Pirates 4 first even though at this point there is no completed script or a director attached to the movie. It seems Disney is showing a lot more love to Pirates than WB is to Dark Shadows for some unstated reason. In fact the only people who have stated that WB is high on DS is Jim Pierson and the other DS producers. So I expect that the DS movie won't start filming until late summer of next year. I am always hoping that the DS movie could be pushed up as things do change in this mad industry. Who knows when Warner Bros will make an announcement regarding the DS project.
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It does most definitely appear that Pirates 4 is being fast tracked. Variety is reporting that its producer wants to film Pirates 4 before Johnny films The Lone Ranger....... and they apparently have its director almost in place. Where does this leave Dark Shadows?
http://chud.com/articles/articles/20324/1/FROM-CHICAGO-TO-THE-CARIBBEAN-ROB-MARSHALL-MAY-DIRECT-PIRATES-4/Page1.html
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Where does this leave Dark Shadows?
Most likely Depp's film following Pirates 4. One would think that everything should come together by then. Burton will certainly be done with AiW.
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I begged JOHNNY DEPP to tell me when the D.S. filming would start but he just stood there like a wax figure in a museum! ha ha I was at the opening of madame tussaud's new wax museum in hollywood yesterday. I managed to slip the mpi BARNABAS ring on the wax figures finger! it is a great museum but no chamber of horrors?!
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FYI:
http://movies.yahoo.com/feature/movie-talk-depp-burton-dark-shadows.html
I saw this last week.
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Nice to know that the Depp/DS film was supposedly included as one of "three of the most talked-about things at Comic-Con." [ghost_wink]
Thanks for posting the link, Garth. [ghost_smiley]
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Great link! Thank you!
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Not that any of us actually thought Depp was going to be a part of it this time around, but apparently now it's official: Johnny Depp Is Off Don Quixote (http://www.empireonline.com/news/story.asp?NID=25512)
One less rumored project to potentially interfere with the DS film. [ghost_wink]
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I was at the opening of madame tussaud's new wax museum in hollywood yesterday. I managed to slip the mpi BARNABAS ring on the wax figures finger! it is a great museum but no chamber of horrors?!
None at the one I went to in DC either. I was majorly underwhelmed -- I'd expected something more like Madame T.'s in London.
Jeannie
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An article, which references the Depp/DS film, that poses the questions:
Should Depp and Burton Separate?
Has Johnny Depp and Tim Burton's screen marriage gone stale? Or are they still a perfect match? (http://www.film.com/features/story/should-depp-and-burton-separate/29580306)
So far, the poll results are overwhelming (88% vs, 12%) that they should continue to work together because "they've made great films."
And apparently it's a good thing that the DS film is going to be made because it's given this blogger something to live for: Feelin' the Love and Vampires Rock (http://slacker-chick.blogspot.com/2009/08/feelin-love-and-vampires-rock.html)
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There's no real news here, but Tom O'Neil, a journalist/blogger for the LA Times Gold Derby, has written a little item about Depp and DS:
Can Johnny Depp defy the curse of the vampires at the oscars? (http://goldderby.latimes.com/awards_goldderby/2009/08/can-johnny-depp-defy-the-curse-of-the-vampires-at-the-oscars.html)
Granted, Tom is pretty focused on Oscar potential of any film/actor. I'm sure Johnny's been flattered to get 3 Oscar nominations, but that doesn't seem to be why he chooses roles- he has often said that he really doesn't like the competition for awards. Other than enjoying seeing Johnny dress up in fancy suits once in awhile, I don't really care that much about Oscar potential for DS-- I just want it to be a cool film!
Cathy
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I'm sure Johnny's been flattered to get 3 Oscar nominations, but that doesn't seem to be why he chooses roles- he has often said that he really doesn't like the competition for awards.
I recently read a remark from Depp about how, while sitting in the audience for one of his nominations, both he and Vanessa felt so uncomfortable being at the ceremony that they couldn't wait to get out of the theater - and he was quite happy that he didn't win. Quite a refreshing change from the actors who seem to be completely obsessed with winning awards at all costs.
(And just to make a slight correction to that article, Joan Bennett didn't lose - the Emmy category that she and MacDonald Carey were nominated in was simply never handed out for some odd reason...)
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MB, there is another interview somewhere with Vanessa, where she said her feelings were split in half- partly she wanted him to win because she was proud of him, and partly she wanted him to lose because she knew how painful it'd be for him to get up and make a speech [ghost_wink] I think it was from his first nom for Pirates 1. I think Johnny's "please let the other guy win" remark was from one of the Rolling Stone interviews.
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Marcy Robin, ShadowGram, stated during her DS panel presentation, that the script had yet to be completed and that she would keep us informed. Jim Pierson stated in one of the breaks that the movie would hopefully be released in 2011 but it was possible that it could be released in 2012. I don't believe he provided any additional information on the project. JP stated that he was hoping that the fans be patient during this down time.
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Of course, everybody needs to bear in mind that once the picture is completed, months or years could go by before it is released.
It's happened before--ask fans of Joss Whedon's "Firefly" series about the history of the feature film version, "Serenity."
G.
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I just got hold of the printed ShadowGram issues 115/116 which was published several weeks ago I believe. On page 4 it states, "SG is asked to report," ""The script is being finalized in coming weeks and filming is expected to commence in early 2010"".
I understand that movie scripts may have several or many drafts ie... 1st Draft, 2nd Draft etc... Are we at the point where John August is finishing his 1st draft or are we passed that stage and JA is working on what would be a completed shooting script? If I was fully awake at Marcy's early morning discussion panel I would have asked that question as she also brought that matter up there. Secondly, it indicated filming is expected to begin in early 2010. That leads me to believe that DS will be shooting before Pirates 4 which was suppose to shoot before DS as was indicated in the media.
btw also on page 4 is a painting of Depp, Frid, Cross and Newman by George Pitcher which was taken from Film Fantasy Magazine Summer'09. Not a bad painting although Depp as Barnabas could have been more accurate. Wouldn't mind getting hold of a lithograph of the 4 Barnabas'.
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I recently read a remark from Depp about how, while sitting in the audience for one of his nominations, both he and Vanessa felt so uncomfortable being at the ceremony that they couldn't wait to get out of the theater - and he was quite happy that he didn't win. Quite a refreshing change from the actors who seem to be completely obsessed with winning awards at all costs.
I hope this isn't getting too off-topic but here's an Entertainment Weekly piece on "Johnny Depp: 12 Hot Sound Bites" where some of the quotes illustrate Johnny's mindset and why he chooses certain roles. In particular, #6 mentions box office success or lack thereof (The Astronaut's Wife was a pretty bad movie, by the way [ghost_wink] ) and #12 is the one about getting up and speaking in front of people [ghost_smiley]
Johnny Depp: 12 Hot Sound Bites (http://www.ew.com/ew/gallery/0,,20246950_20263257_20039648,00.html)
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This publication has been producing various DS articles of late. This one discuses if DS will hurt Depp's chances for an Oscar.
http://www.examiner.com/x-1994-LA-Celebrity-Headlines-Examiner~y2009m8d20-Johnny-Depps-taking-on-Dark-Shadows-does-this-hurt-him-as-an-Oscar-candidate
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Don't know where they got that there will be at least 3 DS movies but I like it but it is flawed.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/122236/Johnny-is-set-to-join-the-undead
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We should be so lucky that Depp and Burton make at least three DS movies! [cheers] But considering how long this first one is taking to get made, let's just hope that by the time the third one rolls around Depp isn't so old that he won't need make-up to play Barn after he's reverted to his true age due to Julia's failed experiment to cure him! [lghy]
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Very true MB. lol If true maybe they can film 2 movies at a time. Then we will have four and call it a day. jk I don't know how accurate the source is especially in light of how they reflected the number of episodes filmed but it is consistent with what Jim Pierson has been saying about how WB would like to make a movie franchise out of DS. I just don't know how available Tim Burton and JD will be in the next 5 years or so. We certainly don't want Depp to age that badly. lol
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Thanks for the link jimbo. I've seen references a few times about a "franchise" for DS. I really think everything depends on how well the first film does - it's not like they're doing a "Lord of the Rings" (in which all 3 films were made back-to-back before the first was released).
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the article is definately "flawed" because it states that ds ran for 14 years and 594 episodes!
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Sadly, there aren't very many DS articles that aren't flawed in some way or another. [ghost_sad]
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Luckily Depp is aging well. He could possibly play Barney until he is 50 and maybe after that! Who knows! :) No offense but Jonathan looked much older that middle fourties to me!
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a painting of Depp, Frid, Cross and Newman by George Pitcher which was taken from Film Fantasy Magazine Summer'09. Not a bad painting although Depp as Barnabas could have been more accurate. Wouldn't mind getting hold of a lithograph of the 4 Barnabas'.
I haven't seen the ShadowGram issue, but something tells me that my scan from the magazine (it's from one of its collector's editions called "Life Story") might be clearer.
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/lifestory.png)
From what jimbo says, I'm guessing that the other artist's image wasn't included. I think the likeness is better, but to quote my daughter, "What's up with the moustache?"
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Wow - the B&W of Depp barely looks like him. [ghost_huh]
As for the mustache, well, Depp seems very fond of wearing one in real life, so you never know. Maybe we should start preparing ourselves for the idea of Depp's Barn with one. [ghost_undecided]
Thanks for the scan. [ghost_smiley]
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Thanks for scanning that, Midnite! Yes, it looks a bit clearer than the Shadowgram, which I have right in front of me. The other pic looks cool, and you're correct that it was not included in Shadowgram.
As to the other pic, I don't think it looks much like Johnny, either, but a friend and fellow Depp fan with a good eye thought that it might've been inspired by this old photo taken by photographer Henny Garfunkel in around '90 or '91:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/photographers/garfunkel%20henny/oldp133.jpg)
There still seems something a bit off, though. I think the likenesses of the other 3 Barns are great, though!
Cathy
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Just say 'no' to the stache! Is he playing Barnabas or Nicholas? [ghost_cheesy]
Seriously, the picture with the mustache makes him look like Satan or (Bram Stoker's) Dracula. I sort of like it, but NOT for Barnabas. Good thing mustaches weren't in style in the late 18th century. [ghost_wink]
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Well let's face it - Johnny Depp looks as much like Jonathan Frid did while playing Barn as I do, which basically is not at all! Hopefully, Johnny will be able to successfully portray the character through his acting chops. If he can do that, I'll be delighted.
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a friend and fellow Depp fan with a good eye thought that it might've been inspired by this old photo taken by photographer Henny Garfunkel in around '90 or '91
A VERY good eye!
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Good thing mustaches weren't in style in the late 18th century. [ghost_wink]
Though we don't necessarily know that that's the era for Depp's Barn's origin. We don't really know anything yet.
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That is very true. After doing some thinking about it though, I can't imagine there being too much wiggle room with the placement of the 'origin' story. Changing the time period significantly would require changes in the story. And, unless the movie is taking place during the time when Barnabas was cursed, I can't imagine Burton wanting to mess with it too much. It's sort of a neat and compact package the way it is, and for a backstory, that's just what's needed. Plus, I don't think they want to alienate the already avid fanbase by messing with something that has been a constant in every Dark Shadows project to date. Barnabas and Josette work in any time period, but the Post-Colonial setting is really, simply put, just romantic. [ghost_smiley]
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Because it is such a romantic period, I'd honestly be surprised if Barn's origin goes too far afield from what we've seen in previous versions of DS. The '91 series moved it back five years to 1790 - but that was a fairly insignificant change - and it was primarily just so that it took place 200 years before the present day setting. But so far as fearing changes might alienate the established DS fanbase, I have to wonder if that would be a top concern because we aren't really the primary audience the film will be targeted at. It will be targeted at creating a whole new fanbase for DS - one whose main exposure to DS will be the film and not any previous versions. They'll hope we'll like the film - but we alone aren't a significant enough group to either make or break the film at the box office.
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The other picture of Barnabas was not in the printed Shadowgram. I guess we will be seeing a lot more paintings of Depp as Barnabas which is a very good thing.
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That is true, MB. But you know how vocal some of us fans can get when things don't go our way! [ghost_tongue2] Let's hope that Warner and Burton don't have to feel our wrath. [ghost_wink]
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Another MTV "interview" posted today with Tim Burton-it seems like it could have been taken some weeks ago-I did not see a date of the interview. The interviewer was suppose to ask Tim if Jonathan Frid was going to appear in the new film as a cameo but I think he messed it up and Tim did not directly respond to that issue but did talk about Jonathan. I can't imagine who that James was in the video. jk
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/09/02/with-dark-shadows-tim-burtons-challenge-is-to-capture-that-weird-tone-of-the-show/
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Whoever James is, he does seem to get around. [ghost_wink]
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That is pretty amazing. jk
Another Tim Burton interview posted today again apparently undated where Tim had this to say about the DS movie:
How are things coming along with "Dark Shadows"?
I haven't really started that at all. I still have to finish "Alice." So that's a big job ahead of me. It's way too early. [Laughs] Probably in a year's time.
http://southflorida.metromix.com/movies/article/q-and-a-tim/1438302/content
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Ok I hate to be a whiner here, but would someone explain to me why TB is making such a big deal about "Alice" when I believe it is in post production? I guess I'm just anxious to see him actually have something worth-while to say other than this..."Well I haven't really started working on that yet..."
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I hear you very well VictoriaWinters1991. Alice, if I am not mistaken has been in post production since December, 2008 when they finished shooting the movie. TB is either in way over his head with the 3D live animation or whatever special effects he is adding or he is merely boasting his greatness. Is TB telling us the truth? Surely by now he has mastered the technique he is applying and you would think that TB gave DS some thought. If the interview took place recently which we have to assume is the case, TB is figuring that he won't have to even think about DS until next September even though Alice will be released in March, 2010.
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Well, not that we want to think of it in that sort of time frame, but IF the 4th Pirates film does indeed shoot before DS, Burton's remark could just about jibe with when DS might be in production. Though one might think that Burton would at least be thinking about DS before then. However, I suspect that his remark wasn't necessarily meant to be taken completely literally - he probably phrased it that way because he feels so weighed down under the pressure of working to get AiW exactly the way he wants it. We all tend to exaggerate when we feel under pressure. [ghost_wink] And as for the technical aspects of AiW's post production, it seems from several reports that the process Burton is using for the film is far more complicated than anyone initially thought it would be, and that's why things are taking so long.
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Okay, I have tried many times to explain my understanding of Johnny's and Tim's current and upcoming commitments. I hate to always play the role of defender, because I'm as anxious as anyone to see this film get made. But I don't know how to answer when people say that Tim doesn't care, or that Tim won't pay any attention to DS. Tim has been working on Alice In Wonderland for a long time, and he was committed to it long before he agreed to do DS. He got all of the filming done on time. The release date was announced before the film had barely started filming-- they KNEW it was going to take a long time in post-production, and planned accordingly. They are using (to my knowledge) a new form of animation. They shot in 2D and they are going to convert it to 3D with some other kind of technology. They used green screens for the filming, and Tim has rarely used green screens in the past. All these things have been mentioned in interviews. To say that Tim is "over his head" seems unfair-- to me, it seems to me like he knows full well the amount of commitment it is taking to complete this film in a way that he will be satisfied with, and he has no intention of dividing his attention and going halfway on either project. Personally, I would rather have it this way. He is going to give his all for the production of Alice, so that he can then give his all to DS. Meanwhile, DS hasn't really been dangling in the wind- they have shaped up a script that sounds like it's nearly finished (Johnny's interviews have described it as "very, very close", which gives me the impression they may still be tweaking a bit). They are probably doing lots of things behind the scenes, despite Tim's remarks.) Given the current state of the film industry, which doesn't sound that great due to the economy, it's pretty good news that they still plan to get started in a year (or less).
Victoria, I hear ya, but see, this is why them talking about a film project in its early stages is a double-edged sword. If the journalists don't ask, then we have no idea what's happening. If they do ask but there's not much to tell, then we are unimpressed with the status report [ghost_smiley] Me, I'm just glad that the film is popping up in the dialogue! And remember that Tim is an understated guy-- if he even says a little bit about how he's thinking about the tone and the feel of DS, then I'll bet he's giving it a lot more thought than he is admitting [ghost_wink]
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it seems to me like he knows full well the amount of commitment it is taking to complete this film in a way that he will be satisfied with, and he has no intention of dividing his attention and going halfway on either project. Personally, I would rather have it this way. He is going to give his all for the production of Alice, so that he can then give his all to DS.
Exactly.
Meanwhile, DS hasn't really been dangling in the wind- they have shaped up a script that sounds like it's nearly finished (Johnny's interviews have described it as "very, very close", which gives me the impression they may still be tweaking a bit). They are probably doing lots of things behind the scenes, despite Tim's remarks.)
True. Just because Burton has his plate full right now with AiW doesn't mean that others involved in the production aren't thinking about and working on various things. We know for one that John August has certainly been working on the script - and we also know that he's had meetings with Depp and Burton over the script. So obviously right there we know that Burton has indeed given thought to the film. I doubt he sat quietly with his hands folded and stared off into space while August and Depp discussed things. [ghost_wink]
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I think it would be very naive of us to believe that Tim Burton has not given any thought to the Dark Shadows movie. Of course he has. TB is just being protective of the project as he should be although it would be nice if he could throw us a bone here and there. I am very confident that the DS movie is further along that he is letting on. I think Tim cares greatly about DS and is very excited to direct his dream project as well. TB is doing this new technology for the first time on the Alice movie. Obviously I did not mean to imply that the man is incompetent. He is under immense pressure to get the movie completed as soon as possible and learning the new technology at the same time. He admits on not having even seen the Caterpillar yet. TB may be in over his head through no fault of his own in the context of his unfamiliarity with the new technology process; has to make critical decisions every single minute and has to deal with the time pressures all at the same time. He has stated in interviews that he had no idea it would take this long and would need every minute of his time to get the movie finished on time. I am sure he will make a great Alice movie.
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The whole process of how any film gets made is something either folks get or they do not. Those who say Tim Burton really isn't interested in getting DS done are those who don't get how the process works.
Nancy
Okay, I have tried many times to explain my understanding of Johnny's and Tim's current and upcoming commitments. I hate to always play the role of defender, because I'm as anxious as anyone to see this film get made. But I don't know how to answer when people say that Tim doesn't care, or that Tim won't pay any attention to DS.
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wake me up when this movie is in theaters. this has been 2 years and it will be at least 2 more years i can.t be interested in anything that takes that long. why must burton be the director there are many good directors out there depp has to have the same director on every film this whole thing has turn out to be a bore.
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Many movies take more than a decade to be made. So, four years, if it takes that long, wouldn't be half as long. [ghost_smiley]
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You have to like Tim Burton's sense of humor quoted in todays NY Post. Burton is furiously working to finish the film, which stars Johnny Depp as the Mad Hatter. Ive got a lot to do. Its all I can think about, he says. It comes out in March. If you saw where it is, youd think it was March of 2012.......................... more at below
http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/movies/burton_latest_nightmare_opens_autumn_qzf3qRF5vTtdxEPpxsgjNO
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Thanks for the link jimbo! Have you seen this article and Tim Burton interview posted on September 2nd?
http://johnnydeppnews.com/
I don't think I was able to paste the link directly to it but if you scroll down about half-way, you will be rewarded with a short article and video discussing "Tim Burton's Dark Shadows Challenge". Hopefully I'm not repeating a link already mentioned elsewhere on this board - I did do a search. The best part of the interview to me was Burton's insistence that the "tone" of the original be preserved in the new movie. Maybe this will be an overriding consideration to spend the extra money to film at Seaview.
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The best part of the interview to me was Burton's insistence that the "tone" of the original be preserved in the new movie.
But what is the tone of the original? Everybody sees something different in Dark Shadows.
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Have you seen this article and Tim Burton interview posted on September 2nd?
Oh it's not easy scooping jimbo on the subject. He posted a link to the clip on Sept. 2 by way of the MTV Movies Blog (reply #1056).
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Sorry for the repetition - and yes, it IS hard to outscoop Jimbo!
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The only thing I find upsetting about the movie, so far, is that John August is working on it and that it seems that if they really wanted to make it they wouldn't keep delaying it. I'm starting to wonder if it will ever be made.
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At his website today John mentioned that he just handed in a script. Obviously I don't know if it is the DS script but it could be.
http://johnaugust.com/
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Did John do Charlie's Angels because I thought those movies were really true to the show!?? Very nicely done!
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TaeylorCollins according to this website John has screenwriter credits for a couple of the Charlie's Angels movies see below. It would be great if he has finally indeed finished the DS script. I would be interested in knowing out of curiosity how many drafts he previously written and submitted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_August
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The only thing I find upsetting about the movie, so far, is that John August is working on it
I initially shared that same concern. But once I realized that August had also been the writer/director of The Nines, a film I think was well done, and probably as different from some of his other work as it could possibly be, I felt more confident that he could handle DS. And the repeated reports that he's working really hard and consulting with Depp and Burton to be sure to get everything right have me even more confident that he can work out quite nicely. I'm definitely keeping a very open and hopeful mind.
and that it seems that if they really wanted to make it they wouldn't keep delaying it. I'm starting to wonder if it will ever be made.
Well, if the post-production process for Alice in Wonderland hadn't turned out to be so complicated, chances are that the Depp/DS film would be either in production or very close to production right now. That's what we were told back in June. But unforeseen things happen in the movie industry all the time, and films are often getting delayed for one reason or another, so it's not like the unforeseen and unexpected delays are something new. Irritating, yes! [ghost_angry] But new, no. [ghost_sad]
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According to the website below: "Robert Zemeckis and Tim Burton to Appear at the D23 Expo
The world-famous director will appear during the "Disney Movie Magic:
Inside the Disney Studios" presentation in the D23 Arena at 11 a.m. on
Friday, September 11."
I guess Tim is not too busy with Alice. jk He is obviously obligated to promote the Alice movie for Disney. I am sure TB will be asked about DS and he will provide the same non-informative responses.
http://johnnydeppreads.com/index.php?showtopic=8179&st=0
And thank you MirandaD for the link you provided earlier. You see we are all in this together.
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Probably because TB doesn't know himself exactly when production will get underway. There is no reason for him to withhold specific information if he knows any.
nancy
I guess Tim is not too busy with Alice. jk He is obviously obligated to promote the Alice movie for Disney. I am sure TB will be asked about DS and he will provide the same non-informative responses.
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There is no reason for him to withhold specific information if he knows any.
I thought your previous position is is that TB is under no obligation to tell us anything even if he knew something about the project's latest developments? Which is it?
Jimbo
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It seems that Dark Shadows is not Tim Burton's next project as he previously claimed it was going to be. And Pirates 4 will be filming in April or May for a summer 2011 release as per the studio.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/d23exponews.php?id=59034
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Following Alice in Wonderland with Frankenweenie was the originally announced plan back in '07, but Burton changed his mind when it was expected that the DS film would begin production in late summer of this year. But that's not the case due to how long AiW's postproduction is taking, and since Depp won't be available due to Pirates 4 going into production in April, I guess he went back to the original plan. And that seems like a logical thing to do considering that he's utilizing some stop motion animation in AiW, so he's already got the needed hardware/software in place for Frankenweenie.
If one thinks about it, it's really no different than what we've been anticipating for a while now because we've pretty much known that the DS film wasn't going to go into production until after Pirates 4. And rather than waiting to do Frankenweenie until after DS, Burton probably feels it's better to do it while he has things in place and presumably the time to fit it in while Depp is elsewise occupied.
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I agree and I also had a feeling Burton was going to work on Frankenweenie when Depp was filming Pirates 4. I have to give Disney a lot of credit for pushing hard on getting Pirates into production. On the other hand Warner Bros. knew that DS was a long way off probably now until 2013.
So when exactly is Tim Burton going to start thinking about Dark Shadows? When he is filming Frankenweenie he is just going to say the same thing he has been saying during the Alice shoot-that he can't think about DS until Frankenweenie is completed and so forth. What a joke.
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Universal is cutting back on financing films in development. Is Warner Bros. next? Hope the Dark Shadows movie (if it ever happens) is not impacted as well by the economic times. This is what happens when a studio sits on its ass and does nothing to get a movie out of developmental hell unlike how Disney pulled Pirates 4 out of developmental hell and is making the movie ahead of Dark Shadows , a movie that has been in development long before Pirates 4. If DS films in 2010 the movie should be ok I hope.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118008817.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
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At least the Depp/DS film has a really good reason why it hasn't been produced yet: Tim Burton is just too busy to get to it. Most movies that languish in development hell usually do so because there are huge problems with them that prevent production. But as far as we know, everyone seems to like how the DS script has been coming along - and WB is happy to have Depp and Burton on board.
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My point was that for example Warner Bros could have insisted a different director be hired to replace Burton. They could have pushed that issue to get the movie going especially if they are financing it. Depp has worked with other directors so it is possible Depp would have gone along with the change. Disney on the other hand was very aggressive in hiring a director, developing the script, obtained name of title and release date, had Depp promote it etc...years after the DS movie was announced. Who do you mean as "everyone" appears to be happy how the DS script is coming along and that WB is happy to have Depp and Burton on board? Hearing about this is a first for me. I have not heard or read anything from WB so I don't know how they feel. In fact they don't consider the DS movie as one of its tentpoles going through 2013. I don't believe JP spinning does it for me if that is what you based your post on. It would actually be great if WB came out with a statement like that.
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Oh I really doubt this, Jimbo. The two men are friends, not just professional colleagues and they have talked about doing this film for many years. There isn't any reason to not wait for Burton that I can see.
nancy
My point was that for example Warner Bros could have insisted a different director be hired to replace Burton. They could have pushed that issue to get the movie going especially if they are financing it. Depp has worked with other directors so it is possible Depp would have gone along with the change.
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Oh I was just trying to take WB's perspective on what they could have done to move this project along and this is one of the ideas I thought of. Unlike Disney, Warner Bros. is content to have this project remain in developmental hell. We really don't know if the script is coming along nicely do we?
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Oh I was just trying to take WB's perspective on what they could have done to move this project along and this is one of the ideas I thought of. Unlike Disney, Warner Bros. is content to have this project remain in developmental hell. We really don't know if the script is coming along nicely do we?
No we don't know but then there isn't any critical reason for the project "schedule" to be ramped up if Burton and Depp aren't ready yet to start filming. When they get to it, they get to it. Can't wait to see the end product. [ghost_happy]
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I haven't even wanted to participate on this thread for months now, because I am weary of the fingerpointing at Tim and WB over a film that IMHO is FAR from being in "developmental hell", or assumptions that it's being shown a lack of interest just because the filming may be delayed by a year. The current version of the script only just got handed in recently, from what I gathered from John August's feedback. Johnny himself said in June that the film was "very, very close" as opposed to saying "it's ready" Many other aspects of getting the film started will have to be put in motion. If they originally wanted to film this fall, and if they did send out feelers to that trade publication you found, jimbo, and the film didn't get going this fall after all, it simply shows that they weren't totally ready yet, as Nancy also said. A LOT of films are being set back because of the current economy, and I'm sure that I brought this up several times, too. The fact that DS is still even on the horizon despite that is a GOOD thing.
About Pirates 4, I do hear you, and I would MUCH rather have had Johnny do DS before Pirates. But you are comparing Jerry Bruckheimer-- arguably one of the biggest sharks in the business, a behemoth like Disney, and a history of the first 3 Pirates films making something like 3 billion dollars worldwide, with Johnny's own production company and what will most probably be a MUCH smaller budget for DS (even if they will be curtailing the budget for Pirates 4). Johnny and Tim have a lot of respect, but I wouldn't say they have anywhere close to the power of Bruckheimer. Bruckheimer probably pushed like the devil, and it so happened that Pirates 4 got put in place first. I just don't see how this is at all indicative of WB or Johnny or Tim "not caring" about DS.
If Tim's schedule was too much of a problem, and they had to get another director, I seriously doubt that it would speed things up. Very likely, it would slow things down even more. I doubt there many top quality directors just sitting around waiting for a project to come along. When DS was first announced, I thought of Guillermo del Toro for the director, but he's going to be tied up for awhile with some hobbit film :) Johnny had a project called Shantaram in the works for several years, and the fact that they had to change directors (from Peter Weir to Mira Nair) pushed the project back for a year. Other events happened after that, and the project is currently in limbo, but I'm just saying that changing directors did push back the plans they had at the time.
I know that I've said all of these things many times before, so I apologize for continuing to repeat myself.
Cathy
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There's no need for you to apologize. [ghost_smiley]
And as for how to tell that everyone seems happy without actual reports that say that in as many words, well, we have other evidence of it so as to be able to surmise it. We know that August has had meetings with both Depp and Burton over the script, and we've also read/seen remarks that progress on the film is moving along well. And as madscntst reminded, Depp himself has even said that things are very close. And if WB wasn't happy to have Burton on board, they'd be pushing for another director. The fact that they aren't in and of itself says quite a bit. In fact, it says that everyone involved is willing to wait for Burton rather than hire another director because clearly Burton is the one and only director they want. [ghost_wink]
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Madscntst I enjoyed reading your take on how Pirates 4 will be filming before the DS movie. Interesting stuff about the power and influence Bruckheimer has in the industry. I think Matt Goldberg of Collider.com website said it best on 09-11-09 about Disney being aggressive on Pirates 4, "I know its a minor thing but adding a release date and a subtitle to a fourth Pirates of the Caribbean movie along with a Summer 2011 release date makes it feel like the film is really happening and its not just on Walt Disneys wish list. Real details like plot, screenwriters, director, casting, etc. are all in the future but Disney doesnt want this project in development hell. It wants people to know that the fourth movie is called Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides and that folks should prepare to set sail in Summer 2011". It would be nice if Warner Bros. made a general statement that they still have a DS movie in development and that it will happen. No WB executive has acknowledged the existence of the DS project to date.
I am not sure if I agree with your position that the DS movie would be substantially delayed if they decided TB was not the answer. I am sure there are qualified directors out there who would be interested in filming a Johnny Depp movie. If I am not mistaken it only took Disney a month to find its current director. But I guess this director discussion is moot because it is clear that Johnny is not going to proceed without Tim on the DS movie.
Hopefully we will be hearing something from the studio soon although I seem to be repeating myself too.
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About this issue, I guess I've already said all that I can say.
However, just for fun [ghost_wink] I am now about to add some fuel to the fire, because this is undoubtedly going to be ALL over the news now. Dick Cook has apparently been fired by Disney, and there was a phone interview with Johnny earlier today where he is being polite, but perhaps not sounding very happy with Disney about this news:
Johnny Depp says he's 'shocked and very sad' about Dick Cook's departure (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2009/09/johnny-depp-says-hes-shocked-and-very-sad-about-dick-cooks-departure.html)
See also Nicki Finke's website:
EXCLUSIVE! Dick Cook Fired From Disney; Hollywood Registering Shock At News; Cook "Never Saw It Coming", Teared Up (http://www.deadline.com/hollywood/exclusive-dick-cook-fired-from-disney/)
So, you see, things don't even run smoothly at what I referred to earlier this evening as "that behemoth Disney" [ghost_grin] I would not assume from this that Johnny will abandon his Disney projects. However, I can't help but think that it's not impossible for this news to have some impact. It'll be interesting to see how this will shake out.
Cathy
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Wow. And from his interview it does seem as if there could be a possibility that Depp might not do Pirates 4 unless the script is right. Wow...
(And why do I suspect that when they voiced their objections, those Disney executives weren't exactly polite enough to simply refer to Depp's body language as Captain Jack? [ghost_sad] Though I bet they changed their tunes once the millions in profit began to roll in. Not that that excuses their initial reaction. [ghost_rolleyes])
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I've really enjoyed reading these past few posts on this issue. I don't think the delay is a plot to drive us crazy. The movie will happen when it's right for all those involved and not before. I plan on still being here God willing and the creek don't rise. [ghost_tongue2]
Nancy
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Thanks Madscntst for posting those two articles. What a wacky industry. How does one keep their sanity living under these changes day to day. Depp seems to be a very loyal individual so it will be interesting to see if he will do Pirates 4 in light of what just happened and that he does not have a contract in place for said movie-although he may have an obligation to Pirates fans(?). Or perhaps Johnny could feasibly delay shooting the Pirates movie as a sort of showing of respect for Cook and blame the delay on the script not to his liking.
I too Nancy plan on being here to see the DS movie. I just hope I don't run out of my sedatives by then. jk
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Wow. And from his interview it does seem as if there could be a possibility that Depp might not do Pirates 4 unless the script is right. Wow...
Ironically, when Johnny appeared at the Disney D23 Expo last week, he was introduced by Dick Cook, and he came out all decked out in his Captain Jack Sparrow costume. We all feel he did the dress-up bit for Dick Cook's sake (as he's done a couple of times before, too- he isn't usually one to do cheesy promotions but I do think he's especially loyal to Cook as well as to Captain Jack), and they had a huge embrace on stage and both looked very happy to be promoting the film. So, for one thing, if this wasn't very sudden, Cook was extremely good at hiding anything that might've been wrong. For another thing, the appearance itself, as well as the announcement of Pirates 4's title and release date, sure made this all seem 100% solid. Surely Johnny would only agree to do the film if he liked the script, but in light of the Expo, I assumed that the part about approving the script was now over with. I'm not sure if the LA Times may be embellishing things a little, because I don't see anything in Johnny's own words that make it sound like he's still waiting to approve the script. But it's possible.
I still don't really expect that Johnny would back out of the film. He's also pretty friendly and loyal to Jerry Bruckheimer (the "shark", in my words [ghost_grin] ) and he does dearly love the character. But if Cook's departure causes a huge shakeup within Disney, then who knows how that may influence their projects- some of us Depp fans are wondering. It may depend on who Cook's replacement is.
At any rate, either way, I don't *think* that this turn of events would have any impact on DS, no matter how things shake out. But at the moment, I'm glad that Disney doesn't have anything to do with DS [ghost_smiley]
Cathy
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At any rate, either way, I don't *think* that this turn of events would have any impact on DS, no matter how things shake out.
I don't think so either. The Depp/DS film is delayed because Burton is so busy with his projects. Though it would be interesting if the changes at Disney somehow affect Frankenweenie...
But at the moment, I'm glad that Disney doesn't have anything to do with DS [ghost_smiley]
Definitely!
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Just an update on Frankenweenie. It seems that the movie is in production already although I don't know if Tim is actually working on it since he is working on Alice around the clock. See #5
http://scifiwire.com/2009/09/frankenweenie-is-coming-5.php
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That's why some of us have elected to not work full-time in the industry anymore. You can get burned out.
What a wacky industry. How does one keep their sanity living under these changes day to day.
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Nancy just "reading" about how the industry works I can only imagine what actually goes in Hollywood and the industry in total.
I just noticed I misspelled cousin Madscntst's' name in my last post. My apologies
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I added the missing 'd', jimbo. [ghost_smiley] Don't you hate it when your fingers type something different from what your mind expected them to? [ghost_wacko]
But back on topic, it's interesting that Frankenweenie is already in production. Though, as I mentioned the other day, everything is already in place for it, so I suppose it shouldn't be all that surprising. And the good thing about it already being in production and going concurrently with Alice in Wonderland is that Burton may presumably have more time to prepare the Depp/DS movie once he finishes Alice in Wonderland and Frankenweenie. And if Depp doesn't do Pirates 4... But let's not jump the gun. [ghost_wink]
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My end of it was far less chaotic but too much juggling and changes has burned me out. I've made substantial changes in what I do in my spare time and professionally as a result. That said, I'm sure the realities of how Hollywood works doesn't help it when you are anxious for a movie to made.
Nancy
Nancy just "reading" about how the industry works I can only imagine what actually goes in Hollywood and the industry in total.
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Thanks MB for correcting my typo. Yes it is very frustrating when that happens. I am going to blame my keyboard because I am having trouble typing on FB-you have to be perfect there-a very unforgiving website-of course I could also blame my eyes lol
From what I am reading it seems Depp only has an oral agreement with Disney on Pirates 4 and that is contingent upon script approval as previously discussed here. I just doubt that Depp will ditch the project but he can certainly delay it if he feels the script is not up to his liking. Things could get interesting if Pirates is delayed or ditched completely. I am hoping that since TB has supposedly mastered the "experimental" techniques that Frankenweenie could possibly be completed by early next year. Is it possible that TB could work on Frankenweenie and DS at the same time especially if TB needs more time on Frankenweenie?
Nancy it is frustrating to see the movie slowly develop.
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Variety published an article on Depp's agent's representation and mentions the DS movie project.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118009068.html?categoryid=18&cs=1
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Nancy it is frustrating to see the movie slowly develop.
Take long, deep breaths, Jimbo. Mix that up with long, soothing hot baths with Thymes brand of essential oils including rosemary. Inhale deeply and the gods will hear your plea to get a move on the movie. [ghost_tongue2] [ghost_tongue2]
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Thanks for the suggestion Nancy. It sounds very tempting. Normally when people tell me to take a long deep breath it's not a good thing. jk I am confident we will be receiving some news soon.
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It appears based on this article that Johnny may be filming Pirates 4 but not parts 5 and 6. Does this make any sense all around? Why would Depp act in the 4th movie and then have Disney replace him in the sequels? I think things are still way up in the air.
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Exclusive-Why-Pirates-4-Will-Be-Johnny-Depp-s-Last-14918.html
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The other night I was watching Rob Zombie's first Halloween movie remake and it had me thinking. What would the new DS movie be like if Rob Zombie is the director?
You have to wonder.
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Writer John August uploaded an audio interview today at his website (interview took place today) and near the end of it at approximately 28:27 he stated that he would love to see Dark Shadows get made and that "it's fantastic" and reiterated that he hopes it will get made; and that Frankenweenie will soon start production. So it seems that the DS movie project is still in a holding pattern which I guess is of no surprise. John did say words to the effect during the interview that there are some projects where there isn't much corroboration between him and Tim Burton.
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/blogtalkradio-interview
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It's good to know that he's so high on his own script. [hall2_wink] [hall2_grin]
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It would have been funny if August stated on the air that his script sucked jk Maybe he thought it was really great since Burton and Depp also thought it was great.
Frankenweenie has a release date of November, 2011 and this article does reference that DS was suppose to be Burton's next film.
http://wearemoviegeeks.com/2009/10/frankenweenie-could-come-to-us-in-black-white-3d/
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A Producer on Tim Burton's Frankenweenie was quoted as saying that it will take two years to film the movie.
The Producer was also asked about the Dark Shadows movie: Will he be working on a big screen adaptation of the "Dark Shadows" simultaneously? Another "Maybe," Abbate says laughing. "He's got to get through 'Alice [in Wonderland' first]."
http://www.hitfix.com/articles/2009-10-13-fantastic-mr-fox-producer-provides-new-details-on-tim-burton-s-feature-length-frankenweenie
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Article on why London is attractive to movie studio and producers. Some 2010 movies to be filmed in London are mentioned including Frankenweenie and possibly Pirates 4 but of course Dark Shadows is not mentioned.
http://www.screendaily.com/reports/film-hub/the-yes-factor/5006927.article
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I think they should just forget about Tim Burton and find another director. But I wonder did Burton signed the contract to be the director?
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The news about this DS movie's development keeps on getting worse. Now Depp is most likely going to be filming The Tourist this coming February and there is zero mention of Dark Shadows in Variety's article. In fact The Lone Ranger is mentioned so it appears even that movie has pulled ahead of the DS movie.
http://weblogs.variety.com/bfdealmemo/2009/11/depp-charges-the-tourist-.html?nid=2854
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Is this movie ever going to be made? It is still so sad, because the powers at be are delaying the dvd release of the 2 DS films tobe released when the Johnny Depp DS film is released. I don't feel this film will ever be done. Release the two DS films on DVD already.MM#7
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I don't really see anything new or anything to get worried about in the piece in Variety. Variety is a movie industry resource, and most in the industry are well aware that Tim Burton is tied up with Alice in Wonderland and Frankenweenie and won't be doing the Depp/DS film certainly until Alice in Wonderland is complete and Frankenweenie is at least sufficiently to a point where Burton doesn't need to be hands on all the time. And that time is still months into the future. Those in the industry understand that it's common place for films to be delayed for a variety of good reasons and that those films will indeed be made when the time is right. They also know that it's been months since Depp intended the DS film to be his next film and that he's planned to do a fourth Pirates film while he waits for Burton to be free to do the DS film. The only things this article revealed is that Depp might actually slip The Tourist in before he does a film for Disney. It doesn't say both the Pirates film and The Lone Ranger will be done before the DS film. It simply says that to Variety the "emergence of Depp" being in talks to do The Tourist "is surprising, since he was expected to make his next film at Disney" - and one of the films he was expected to do was either "a fourth installment of 'Pirates of the Caribbean' or 'The Lone Ranger.'" Though I have to say that considering the Pirates film supposedly isn't going to begin production until April, it doesn't really surprise me that Depp might be willing to slip The Tourist in beforehand and beginning in February because he doesn't come across as a man who likes to be inactive for too long a time. I mean, even while doing films he found the time to do voice work for Sponge Bob and to narrate a Doors documentary. That's not a man who likes too much idle time. [wink2]
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Thanks MB for putting things into proper perspective. I may have misread the article and others that were put online today. Many of the related articles reflect the Lone Ranger movie so the context may have been strictly pertaining to the next Disney movie Depp was going to film so it would make sense that DS would not be part of that discussion. So essentially if JD films The Tourist that would not delay Pirates 4 and Dark Shadows. I guess we are back at square one. It now seems Depp will be in the Tourist and that will begin shooting in February; then Pirates 4 starts shooting in May; and Dark Shadow should start shooting in the fall of 2010. I guess at this point that we should not hold out hope that DS could possibly shoot before Pirates 4. Everything seems to be in order so hopefully WB is about to make an official announcement about the DS movie.
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DS writer John August has been attending the Tim Burton Exhibit here in New York. TB was also in New York for the Exhibit. Maybe John is reminding TB how great his DS script is. jk
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Maybe John is reminding TB how great his DS script is. jk
We should only be so lucky. [hall2_wink]
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Very true MB.
Tim is signing books tomorrow and this is what he had to say today at HIS exhibit about the status of his Alice movie:
"I'm still working on it. I got a lot to do in a short period of time. ... I shouldn't even be here."
Actually as far as DS fans are concerned TB can take his time with Alice (not being sarcastic). We know now that Pirates 4 will be shooting in May and that has to be a 3 month shoot I would think and the earliest TB and JD could start working on DS would be in the fall of next year. So nothing really new here. He seems to be cutting it close on the Alice movie though.
Tim Burton Says He Has a Lot to Do in a Short Period of Time on ALICE IN WONDERLAND (http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7789:tim-burton-says-he-has-a-lot-to-do-in-a-short-period-of-time-on-alice-in-wonderland&catid=41:news&Itemid=71)
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I will truly never fully understand the movie industry. Johnny Depp was interviewed in NY on Tuesday by MTV and he made a comment about Pirates 4 that he has not seen the script and he will base his decision on whether he will film Pirates 4 if he likes the story. That is a far cry from what Disney is saying that it is a done deal. It almost seems that JD is making Disney sweat it out.
See the story and the brief interview here:
More 'Pirates Of The Caribbean' For Johnny Depp Only If It's 'Worthy Of The Audience's Attention' (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2009/11/18/more-pirates-of-the-caribbean-for-johnny-depp-only-if-its-worthy-of-the-audiences-attention/)
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In light of no recent news, can I state that I really hope they bring back the spikey bangs for Barnabas?
Best I could do, photoshop-wise, was give him messy bangs, but I think Depp could still pull them off.
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Very nice work Sara Monster. I always enjoy your graphics!
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Well done, Sara Monster. I find it interesting that you gave Depp's Barnabas fangs a la True Blood (i.e. near the front, like a bat) as opposed to the more-common elongated bicuspids.
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Thanks Taeylor & Zahir! [santa_smiley]
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As we speculated and according to GK Films the movie is expected to be filmed in September/October of next year. It also seems the script is still not completed which I have learned is not a surprise but still interesting to me.
http://www.worstpreviews.com/headline.php?id=16042&count=0
PS Sara that was great indeed
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Does anybody know what GK meant in his statement in the last paragraph of this new article?
http://scifiwire.com/2009/12/confirmed-johnny-depps-da.php
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I think he's saying that DS is going to be its own thing, and not relying on the Twilight fad [8_2_73]
This is excellent news- I raced over here to make sure it was posted here, since there's also just been news that Johnny is confirmed for The Tourist and hoped that wouldn't dismay anyone :)
Cathy
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Thanks madscntst. I guess Johnny's schedule for next year is The Tourist, Pirates 4 and then DS. That sounds like a full schedule to me plus Johnny may have a speaking part in Frankenweenie which TB will be starting in early next year.
My interpretation is that TB is going to make this DS movie pretty dark and on the violent side as some feared. I could be wrong of course. Some articles are saying that they (GK Films) are rewriting August's script. I am hoping it actually is August himself is rewriting the scenes. I guess that is a given.
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OH MY GODDESS! I may have to take a running spell through my house! This is the best news I have heard in a while! This time next year DS will be in production! Glory be to the Gods of Art! [8_2_59]
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This is literally how I feel! WHOO HOO!!!!!!!!! [a_xmas]
I personally don't mind a bit of darkness and violence in DS! I am pretty sure JD will not let Barney be like the HODS Barney!
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I love dark films, so I hope it'll be pretty dark. I do hope that they will find some humanity... er... is that the right word for an undead creature? [santa_grin] But Johnny nearly always gives even his most evil characters (Sweeney Todd, Sands from Once Upon A Time In Mexico, Armacost from The Astronaut's Wife) something to like about them, and I feel (hope) he will draw upon Barn's tortured past.
3 films is an awful lot for one year, especially in terms of Pirates, since the first 3 films took so long to shoot. But by all accounts, The Tourist will be a "small" film, and Pirates is scaling back from the mega-effects of the sequels. Technically, Johnny did 3 films in 2008 (Parnassus, Public Enemies, and Alice In Wonderland) so it can be done. Maybe that's why he needed the break this fall (though he has kept himself busy- he's directed a couple of music videos and played guitar on an upcoming album, and also making deals for more future films [santa_cheesy] )
Seems to me that King's remarks are all in line with what we've heard during the year about DS. Johnny had said the script was "very, very close", and he tends to be very polite, so what I had taken from that was that it still needed a bit of tweaking, so it's good that they are doing that. He also said "toward the end of next year" in one interview. Still, isn't it a sigh of relief to finally hear something solid? [8_2_59]
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Yes Taeylor Collins and Madscntst that is good news and confirmed news is always good to hear. I do keep my fingers crossed because I believe it was also GK who announced almost the same thing a year ago or so but that was before TB decided to change course on Alice but this sounds much more definitive.
This article points out that John August wrote the first screenplay but it doesn't mention his further involvement-I guess his involvement with the rewrites are a given. It seems Johnny can handle any load especially with Pirates 4 will be shot next year although JD has not signed off on the script yet to my knowledge.
http://screencrave.com/2009-12-07/dark-shadows-confirmed-as-tim-burtons-next-film/
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I've been away from a computer for most of the day, so I'm just now seeing this news. How great to finally get an update - and to get it from a reliable source. [santa_thumb]
As for there being rewrites to the script, that's not at all unusual. And it's also not at all unusual for the original scriptwriter not to be involved in the rewrites. The report from Sci Fi Wire indicates King is working with "screenwriters" - to me that might appear to indicate they're using writers other than August for the rewrites. But that's not a direct quote from King, so who knows? [santa_undecided] Only time will tell...
Time to get some friends on the phone and to do a happy dance. [8_2_59]
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I have been doing the [8_2_59] dance all day! I am just so beyond excited! I cannot wait. [santa_grin] It's nice to hear some news as we were kind of going through a dry spell! YAY! Deep Shadows should be in theaters possibly by the summer and/or fall of 2011! Which makes me ask the question? Do you think it would be more suited for a release in the summer or fall?
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I've said that I hope the Depp DS film is a fall release.
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I wasn't for sure if it would appropriate to raise that question here but I guess so since you answered Mysterious! ;) I also think that a fall release would be the best! HODS was released on October 28 1970!Maybe it would be cool to also release this one close to Halloween? [8_2_74]
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HODS was released on October 28 1970!Maybe it would be cool to also release this one close to Halloween?
Actually, HODS was released around Labor Day 1970. But I agree that a release date close to Halloween for the Burton/Depp DS movie would be cool.
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I hope the current fad for vampires doesn't fade away by the time it comes out. I heard something today that Brad Pitt might be doing a new Dracula.
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I don't think Vampires go out of style. They certainly cycle! However, Johnny Depp/Tim Burton/Dark Shadows now their is combination of fans tied to each one respectively!
Actually, HODS was released around Labor Day 1970. But I agree that a release date close to Halloween for the Burton/Depp DS movie would be cool.
I guess I shouldn't rely on IMDB then! I thought they were failry accurate!
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I don't think Vampires go out of style. They certainly cycle! However, Johnny Depp/Tim Burton/Dark Shadows now their is combination of fans tied to each one respectively!
Right, vampires are ALWAYS in style. Maybe some are more stylish than others, though... [santa_azn]
I'm trying to get my head around Brad Pitt playing Dracula (I assume that's was meant). He seems more suited to play Jonathan Harker, although he'd better hurry up because he's starting to get a little long in the tooth to play that part (pun partially intended!)
I guess I shouldn't rely on IMDB then! I thought they were failry accurate!
Unfortunately, junk does find its way in there. What's really odd is that the entry in IMDB is even basing the release date on the Detroit premiere, and Detroit is specifically where I recall it opening around Labor Day! Oh well...
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This linked site posted an article that allegedly clarifies the status of the movie project. But in reading the article it makes the situation more unclear or am I misreading it? It almost reads as that the movie is far from a done deal especially without a script. The interview does not flow well imo.
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=13209
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It seems like what he's saying is that they have to get the script right. Actually, they've been saying that for months and it would be very interesting to know what it is about the script that they don't think is quite there. But then, considering we don't know anything about the script, ANY tidbit of info would be very interesting. [santa_wink]
At least it's comforting to know that they want to get everything right before they shoot. Too many movies go into production without what they consider to be the right script and they rewrite it as they go along - and quite often the results are, shall we say, less than stellar. [santa_rolleyes]
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it would be very interesting to know what it is about the script that they don't think is quite there.
I figure they're having heated debates over whether Jeremiah was Barnabass uncle, cousin, brother, nephew, father, son, or ex.
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MB you also made an interesting point in a different post about how scripts are typically rewritten by other writers. I find that interesting. John August had a vision of what the DS movie should look like. Now it seems it's totally out of his hands and parts of his script is/are being rewritten by people from GK films. I would like to know if Johnny Depp and/or TB asked that revisions be made or if GK thinks changes need to be made although he now says he hasn't read the script. I thought I read that JD received or was about to receive the script so does it mean that he sent it back or it never got to him? I don't understand if what would happen if August doesn't agree with the subsequent changes-is it still a John August screenplay and the other writers get credit. I also wish they get the script right but it seems there are serious issues with it. On a side note, King can spin with the best. jk
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I also wish they get the script right but it seems there are serious issues with it. On a side note, King can spin with the best. jk
What makes you think there is serious issues? Rewrites are pretty much par for the course on all movies are they not??? We may as well get settled in and be patient children! Let it come naturally and as it needs to because the rushed production of DS 2004 was one of it's biggest downfall's from what I gather!
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Taeylor I think people are free here to say what is on their minds at a given time on any given topic. For example in the post you quoted, I was responding to MB's post but you of course can comment on it. Many films in development never get made because of script issues and I hope that in this case it is not a serious one but it could be. If I choose to feel impatient that is my right. Some people can misinterpret the word "children" in your last post but I know you were not referring to my comment as childlike.
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I was using children affectionately jimbo! I hope no one misunderstands my post! I say that all the time however you are not around nor anyone else here on the boards. Bad judgement on my part! You certainly are very free to have your opinion and I intended to malice at all! [santa_embarassed] My humble apologies dearest cousin!
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I figure they're having heated debates over whether Jeremiah was Barnabass uncle, cousin, brother, nephew, father, son, or ex.
LOL!!! [santa_grin]
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No problem cousin. Everything is cool. I should have picked up on your writing style by now. lol Let's continue to enjoy Dark Shadows, the Holidays and especially each other.
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HERE HERE!!!! [8_2_59] [8_2_73] [8_2_74] [candycanes] [santa_thumb]
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I think we just need to make sure we don't turn this thread into the old game of "Telephone" ...
That said, it's SO very good to hear that things are progressing, that it looks like perhaps the creative people are being left do their own creative thing without being bothered by the money people, and the project certainly does not seem to have been shelved! Yay!!! Can't wait until the day the movie finally premieres! [8_2_81]
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MB you also made an interesting point in a different post about how scripts are typically rewritten by other writers. I find that interesting. John August had a vision of what the DS movie should look like. Now it seems it's totally out of his hands and parts of his script is/are being rewritten by people from GK films. I would like to know if Johnny Depp and/or TB asked that revisions be made or if GK thinks changes need to be made although he now says he hasn't read the script. I thought I read that JD received or was about to receive the script so does it mean that he sent it back or it never got to him? I don't understand if what would happen if August doesn't agree with the subsequent changes-is it still a John August screenplay and the other writers get credit.
The rules for who gets screenplay credit for what are all laid down in the Writers' Guild of America's Screen Credits Manual (http://www.wga.org/content/subpage_writersresources.aspx?id=167). I haven't read it, but I seem to recall reading when instances of credit have been at issue that it's based on things like what percentage of the script a writer or writers actually wrote and how much of his/her/their concepts are contained in it. Anyone who's really interested in reading up on the rules should click on the link I've provided. [santa_smiley]
As for who asked for the changes, that's anyone's guess. It could have been Depp, Burton, King, or any combination of them. We know both Depp and Burton have been closely involved with the script because we know August has had meetings with them. So, if I was to hazard a guess, I'd say that it was most likely Depp and/or Burton who feels the changes are necessary. But if we ever do find out what they've wanted changed, it probably won't be until after the film is completed...
Many films in development never get made because of script issues and I hope that in this case it is not a serious one but it could be.
Going by what we've heard and seen in the past, I wouldn't think the issues with the script are project killing. We've been led to believe that the script is almost where they want it - and it is Depp himself who has said that - and his body language in the video didn't appear to be deceptive in any way. He believed what he was saying. It's not like he said the script sucks and he wouldn't do it even if they paid him a $1M. [santa_grin] And though that's a joke, it actually does reflect the attitude of the talent when a film dies in script development. Producers and studios might spin, but the talent hardly ever does because they're the ones that are on screen. [santa_wink]
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Thanks MB for the link and post.
It seems this part from the WGA Screen Credits Manual is applicable: "The Minimum Basic Agreement provides that, when more than one writer has participated in the writing of a motion picture, then all participants have the right to agree unanimously among themselves as to which of them shall receive writing credits on the screen and in what form, provided that the form agreed upon is in accordance with the terms of Theatrical Schedule A of the Minimum Basic Agreement, and provided the agreement is reached in advance of arbitration. The Minimum Basic Agreement also provides that the form of such credit shall not be suggested or directed by the Company".
It gets more involved if there are disputes.
John August said today at his website that he is currently writing Frankenweenie. It seems you just can't believe everything a producer or studio says because one article several months ago said Frankenweenie was in production.
I do hope the DS screenplay will be mind blowing and worth the wait and will give Depp and Burton plenty of opportunity to be creative as possible. I do hope that the movie starts filming next fall but Warner Bros. hasn't said anything to that effect.
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It appears that Depp is possibly back in the Don Quixote movie to be filmed next year as well.
http://www.firstshowing.net/2009/12/18/terry-gilliam-now-says-johnny-depp-will-be-back-in-don-quixote/
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There's a really great documentary about the first attempt to make the Don Quixote movie with Depp by director Gilliam called Lost in La Mancha. The original film (The Man Who Killed Don Quixote) was plagued from the start with every problem imaginable. I wonder if footage from the original movie would be used to complete the new project. Supposedly it lost a record $15 million since the film was never finished and couldn't earn any money. Quite a unique peek into how Depp has to "get into" the material to play his roles. Hopefully he'll do the same for the DS. I'm sure he will.
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I have heard so much about the documentary. I would definitely like to see this documentary. I have to admit Gilliam is a very persistent individual. Good for him. And Depp seems to be very loyal to him.
I just can't wait until DS starts production. It will be fun to talk about its casting. There will be many lively debates here.
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I am puzzled by Gilliam's recent quote, and I wonder whether either 1) he misheard the question, or 2) Paste misheard the answer, because I also saw another very recent interview, recent enough to mention Robert Duvall cast as Don Quixote, where Gilliam said something like "now that Johnny is out of the picture." (sorry, I don't recall exactly where I saw it). I have to confess that I really hope Johnny doesn't do it- it might've been great 10 years ago, but I think that ship has sailed. Gilliam can be brilliant (I loved Brazil, 12 Monkeys, and several others of his films) but sometimes his stuff is a little much for me. Johnny did some of his best acting in Fear And Loathing In Las Vegas, but it's a little tough for me to get through the film. I recently saw The Imaginarium Of Doctor Parnassus at a film festival here in Maryland, and it was a very interesting and promising film with beautiful visuals, but it didn't totally succeed IMHO (I'm glad I saw it, though, and hope to perhaps catch it again when it's in theaters). Good point jimbo that Johnny is very loyal to many people he's worked closely with, so you never know. I would also love for Johnny to work with Robert Duvall, but this isn't a project I'd choose for them (hmm, who could Duvall play in Dark Shadows?? [8_2_74]
I agree, Robot_Quentin, that Lost In La Mancha is a great and somewhat surreal film. jimbo, if you find it to rent, see if you can get the 2 disc version- it has some extras including a 20 min. interview with Johnny from a couple of years later. He tells some funny stories, including about the hail storm, and the fact that he and his longtime partner, French actress/singer Vanessa Paradis, really had misgivings about acting together (and still never have, except for a couple of music videos).
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That is an interesting development if JD is actually back in Don Quixote. Maybe JD is getting frustrated with Disney over how Pirates 4 is progressing because it seems to me that JD would like to work his other films around Pirates due to the longer filming time. I don't think Gilliam is the spinning type. He seems to be very specific with his responses. 2010 is almost here so you would think we will be hearing something soon on all of these films JD is working on but I sound like a broken record. lol
Madscntst thanks too for the heads up on Lost In La Mancha 2 disc set recommendation. Hope to see it soon.
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As many posters here stated, it is good that the DS producers are very protective of the script and don't want any leakage to the media like in this case below.
This linked site purports to have the Lone Ranger new movie script in its possession and provided its readers with a detailed analsis which to me spoils all the fun. If it is the script which I am hoping it isn't the review has many obvious spoilers.
Complete Story Details from Walt Disney Pictures' and Jerry Bruckheimer's THE LONE RANGER Adaptation (http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7972:complete-story-details-from-walt-disney-pictures-and-jerry-bruckheimers-the-lone-ranger-adaptation&catid=41:news&Itemid=71)
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New article that provides reasons why we should be excited about the Dark Shadows movie:
http://www.fearnet.com/news/b17814_4_reasons_get_excited_burton_depps_dark.html
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Very nice article, jimbo - thanks for sharing the link. [santa_smiley]
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A very nice and fun link indeed, but I suspect the writer has forgotten some details. While in Twilight someone does indeed through themselves from a cliff, that is a sport. That character even survived. Not so the various individuals who took the plunge off Widow's Hill...!
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Wonder how Tim's version of Widows's Hill will look like.
Costume Designer Colleen Atwood has stated that she will be working on the new DS movie.
http://www.wwd.com/footwear-news/insider-nine-lives-etnies-neighbors-2407346?gnewsid=e0ee12b4e5516cb75c6b41206f5c9e56
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Interesting. Thanks for the link. [snow_smiley]
Perhaps the outfit we first see Carolyn in might look like the one Kate Hudson is wearing in the photo? Perfect for dancing at the Blue Whale, if you ask me. [snow_laugh]
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LOL, MB [snow_cheesy] We Depp fans consider Ms. Atwood to be a goddess, so this is really great news for us. She has been involved in many of Depp's (as well as Burton's) movies- take a look at her filmography:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041181/ (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0041181/)
I loved how Johnny looked as Ichabod Crane in Sleepy Hollow, so I'd be thrilled with anything she comes up with for Barnabas, for any and all periods of time!
Cathy
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FYI, it's the smallest of mentions, and Johnny doesn't even name the film as DS. But for what it's worth, Johnny mentioned that he'd be working on another Tim Burton film, during a press conference at a film festival he attended in Serbia this past week. You can watch the whole press conference here- it's 40 min.
http://www.webtv.rs/?cid=11920 (http://www.webtv.rs/?cid=11920)
But at about the 4 min. mark, someone asks him what is new on the horizon, and he replies, "There's some work to be done this year... I start a couple of films... another with Tim Burton" then goes on to talk about the following year, working on Pancho Villa with Emir Kusturica. Considering that Kusturica is the host of the film festival and sitting next to him as he is speaking, of course he is going to spend more time talking about that film. That said, even though I wish he would've elaborated a bit more, I'm really glad to hear the mention. I'm hoping that there will be more info coming when they start doing press for Alice In Wonderland, which should be starting pretty soon [snow_smiley]
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Thanks for the link. [snow_smiley]
Interesting that Depp refers to "a couple of films." We know his next is The Tourist with Angelina Jolie (British film fans get their wish to see them work together ;)) and in the video he talks about working with Burton, which is the DS film. I wonder what happened to the 4th Pirates film? But then, it seemed as if Disney was the only party that was sure that film was a go for 2010 because Depp repeatedly remarked that everything was contingent on the script...
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Thanks too Madscntst.
MB I thought based on this article that JD had officially signed on and that Pirates 4 was to start in June. I also read somewhere else that Pirates 4 is expected to take 5 months to shoot. The Tourist should be starting in a couple of months so I don't know what is going on with DS. It looks like it might be a very late 2010 shoot.
http://www.aceshowbiz.com/news/view/00030013.html
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Hmmm... Though it comes across as at least a bit odd that we read/hear these reports about Pirates 4 from other people - but not from Depp. [hdscrt]
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I think that Pirates is still going forward, probably in June as has been mentioned. Bruckheimer is very keen on mentioning Johnny's involvement every chance he gets, but he's been pretty elusive otherwise. I don't think/hope it won't take 5 months to shoot, because they keep promising that the story will be simpler and less effects-driven than Pirates 2 and 3. Johnny probably didn't feel the need to talk about it much because it isn't going to need the publicity [snow_wink] I *think* The Tourist is still planned for next month, with now the original director back in place. I think that the thinking has been that DS will start shooting in Oct. or Nov., so I hope that will still be on target. This will be a very tight schedule for Johnny, and he also just mentioned in passing (we think, from articles that have been translated from Serbian) that he is also in the process of making a documentary about Keith Richards!! I don't know where he finds the time, but I think he loves to be busy when he's doing projects that he loves, so hopefully this will all come together!
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I am beginning to dislike GK. You can't have it both ways and the spinning needs to stop-he has teased us in the past with words right out of his own mouth about DS films this year and now he is stepping back and saying that they have yet to receive the script.
I hope this report is wrong. I am going to side with Depp and say that DS will film this year unless this is a recent development.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/22177/1/DARK-SHADOWS-MOVIE-STAYS-IN-THE-SHADOWS-A-BIT-LONGER/Page1.html
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I'm not too fond of him, either, jimbo. In this day of the internet, things can definitely be taken out of context, but it seems as if sometime back, someone took a direct quote from him, and he started backpedalling about how his words were misinterpreted. But he never said he didn't say what was quoted, and the quote seemed pretty concrete, so it was pretty obvious that he goofed and was doing damage control. Clarify if you said something wrong, but don't point fingers at people who are quoting you if YOU misspoke. And he just seems a little too whiny about it all.
Bruckheimer is another shady one- he's still saying that the decision hasn't been made about Orlando Bloom and Keira Knightly returning for Pirates 4, but they've both sounded pretty firm about not wanting to come back, and if they *did* return, the script would have to be changed drastically, so if they plan to start filming in June, they darn well have better have made that decision already. They just don't want to say.
I think this is why for the most part, people are very tightlipped until they really have something concrete to announce. We want information, but when we get it and then start getting all kinds of contradictions, maybe it'd be better off if we'd hear less :) Even better would be if they could tell us very small pieces of information at a time, and be CLEAR about what they are saying, even if everything is still up in the air.
Cathy
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I would say that, if the reports that the script is going through rewrites are true, and I don't see why we should doubt them, then they don't have a script because it's still being worked on. And that's nothing out of the ordinary. John August probably did indeed present them with a completed script - but I think it was GK that described that script as the first draft - and it's not unusual for scripts to go through several drafts before the actual filmable script (meaning the one that all parties agree on) is finalized. I don't think GK has ever been saying that he hasn't seen any script or that they don't have any script. He means they don't have that final script yet.
Actually, if we want to go by the first two, the precedent for DS films would seem to be that the scripts are still being worked on even after production has already begun. NoDS began production on March 29, 1971, and there are significant rewrites in the script that are dated March 31st. And hoDS began shooting on March 23, 1970, but there are major rewrites in that script (which in and of itself is indicated to be a second draft) that are dated March 25th.
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In post number 1143 and its included link in this topic, King stated this sometime in the 1st week of December'09:
There are over 1,200 episodes. Will you include a little of as many as possible or make an origin story?
King: I'll know as soon as I get the script.
I guess King may have been referring to not seeing a completed script but he may be saying that he has not seen any DS script. In a way he seems to be placing blame on August when in all fairness his production company most likely received August's script and King's people are rewriting it. I agree with Madscntst that it would be better if he clarified himself if he mispoke. But to say that DS is not in production because he has not seen the script implies there may be a problem with the writer not finishing the script in a timely manner. Of course the alternative is as you said was that King was waiting for the script that has been approved by all parties. I just don't like his style. That said at least he is speaking while no other DS producer is saying anything and I think I don't have to mention any names.
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I'd have to go back to reread the linked articles from the past several months, but the reasons I'm thinking GK is talking about a final script are 1) didn't we get a report that August turned in his script, and 2) hasn't August's script been described in at least one report as a first draft? Also, GK has mentioned in a few different interviews that the script is in rewrites - and rewrites by definition are the reworkings of an already completed draft of a script. ;)
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It's hard to tell who actually has seen the script. Depp and King deny ever receiving it and TB probably did not see it. Even if GK has seen a version of the script he shouldn't be telling the media that the script has yet to be given to him IMO. So if I am made to understand it once Gk's people have done the rewrites the script is then and only then given to Depp and Burton. And if they kick it back then it just goes back and forth and King can continue argue that he has never been given the script. Pretty slick.
Anyway this seems to confirm that Pirates 4 is definitely going to film this summer.
http://filmonic.com/pirates-of-the-caribbean-4-to-film-in-hawaii-this-summer-2011
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I don't think Johnny has denied receiving a script- at an interview around the time of Public Enemies, he said it was "very close", which indicated to me that it was good but needed work. He kept his words simple, as was probably for the best. King annoys me because he seems to be backpedalling too much. I heard about Pirates and think that is actually good news- if the planned films are all nailed down it means there won't be any monkeywrenches to change all the scheduling.
Cathy
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Yes that is true that Johnny did not deny ever receiving the script. I meant to say that he has not admitted per se that he has read it-he simply may have been told by the production company that the script was close. I would hope that he has read it and in all probability he has.
Yes I agree that King is annoying and is backpedalling too much. It does seem that JD's filming schedule is coming more definitive. Perhaps we should have some other DS producer do the talking in the future.
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There have been at least 5 websites reporting today that Dark Shadows may be having problems and may not shoot this year or at all. The Aintitcool website reports Dark Shadows appears to be "stumbling". This linked website suggests DS better shoot before Pirates 4 but that does not seem feasible at this point. Once again DS fandom continues taking a hit in the media.
http://www.firstshowing.net/2010/01/19/disney-buzz-pirates-4-shooting-this-summer-burtons-next/
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Forget Shadows... [snow_wow] [snow_wow] [snow_wow] I want to see MALEFICENT! Seriously, that sounds amazing, so long as Burton sticks to the Disney version of the story. Okay, that was my initial reaction. Now that I have had time to think about it, I still desperately want Shadows, but I also want Maleficent (if the project is actually in the works), so let's compromise. Let's forget Frankenweenie and simply shoot Shadows followed immediately by Maleficent. [snow_bigglass]
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According to this article Pirates 4 is filming this summer in Hawaii! I don't know what this means for DS!
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_PIRATES_HAWAII?SITE=VTBEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
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I'd say it's pretty much a given, since this is a Johnny Depp/Tim Burton team project, that a number of delays in moving forward with the scheduling are inevitable. Thankfully, even if it takes them ten years to get this baby into actual production, Depp will still look believable as Barnabas, given how youthful his appearance still remains.
The stated release date for the DS film on IMDB is still 2011. Another big-profile project slated for release in that year is The Mighty Thor. If you visit the IMDB page for that site, you'll find a full cast list and much more of a sense of a project ready to go into production. The only details available for DS continue to be pitifully scant. So, I personally don't expect it to go into production in the foreseeable future.
Of course, I'm not a media insider like some of y'all--just an old Yankee curmudgeon. *wink*
G.
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Unless the script is not good I can't see Johnny waiting too long. He has wanted to play Barney for his whole life. However, he is aging well! :) YUMMY! I love his hobo shick look!
(http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c86/Taescharmed/johnnygq__oPt.jpg)
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Well, SG believes the Depp/DS film "is heading toward production later this year." And one would presume that Marcy quite probably has sources that we do not...
Check out:ShadowGram Update #208
and scroll down to: **** UPDATE: NEW DS MOVIE
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That is great news, MB! 2011 is only a year away! Hopefully there won't be any major bumps to slow down the process.
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The best insider here is SG. It is refreshing that SG set the record straight with whether or not DS will be filming this year. Hopefully GK will have learned his lesson although it seems we are stuck with him as being the DS spokesman.
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Pirates 4 has been added to the official Pirate movies website and it reflects Depp will be in the movie. Not surprising news but there had been some talk that he had not yet officially signed on to appear in the movie.
http://disney.go.com/pirates/#/movies_strangertides
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Our newspaper, I think it was yesterday, said it (Pirates 4) would be filming in Hawaii, and said it will be done this summer for a 2011 release.
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Boy it seems they are having real big time problems with the DS screenplay judging from the latest statements made by King.
All parties want to see this through but I am having my doubts at this point. Why isn't everyone on the same page after all this time? Is it the plot-the storyline should have been approved like 2 years ago.
http://www.collider.com/2010/01/28/producer-graham-king-exclusive-interview-talks-edge-of-darkness-dark-shadows-the-tourist-and-more/
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Jimbo, this sounds pretty normal. They can't draw up a realistic budget or schedule a shoot until they have a finished script. I'm very sure they want to do it right, and if that means more work needs to be done on the script, they really have no choice. A movie project like this is not simply a matter of contracting with a writer, the writer banging out a script, and the producers running with it to the studio. I think Burton and Depp have a very tricky situation on their hands--there are so many directions they could go with interpreting the base material, and so many of those directions could go way wrong. I'm just as impatient as the next guy, but I'm frankly relieved to hear that the delays appear to be due to trying to get it right.
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Boy it seems they are having real big time problems with the DS screenplay ... Is it the plot-the storyline should have been approved like 2 years ago.
This is purely my take on what might be going on with the script - but it is based on remarks that we've seen in a few different reports. I don't think that it's necessarily that the script is bad or that there are big problems with it. I strongly suspect that they're trying to make the script as different as possible from a certain current and hugely successful vampire franchise - particularly when they have hopes of DS becoming a franchise. A script/storyline which could have been thought to be perfect two years ago may not be seen as perfect now because Twilight has become such a phenomenon and DS and T have much in common. The fact that T beat DS to the gate could easily cause audiences to see DS as a T ripoff (only with adults) even though DS and its storylines preceded T by decades - DS went into development before T - and, if anything, T rips off DS, not the other way around. But actual facts like those will be irrelevant to the target audience who are simply focused on the recent timeline of events - namely T's explosion on the movie scene. I believe they're trying to differentiate the DS script from T as much as possible while still remaining true to DS - and it may be taking some doing to maintain the balance. But like KMR, I'm heartened to know that TPTB are more concerned with getting it right than rushing into production...
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Well MB I think that is a very logical explanation and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this was pretty much what it's all about. I am not asking anyone else to have my patience but I am trying to be in that frame of mind. I want DS to be the best it can be even if doesn't come out for two or even three more years. Johnny is holding up just fine! [snow_wink]
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KMR and MB thanks for your take on what might be happening with the DS script. I am all for getting the script to be as good as possible. I believe there is another Twilight movie coming out this year. It gets to a point where the DS script has to stop from being reactive to the next vampire flick. I don't think we should be concerned about any other vampire franchise. Dark Shadows has wonderful stories to tell. How much deviation on the original story can one expect? . I hope Depp is not going to change his interpretation of Barnabas because of Twilight. I agree that the DS writers can take DS in several different directions. I just don't think DS needs to play catch up. I thought DS stood for a story that is timeless. I do remember King saying something about that this DS film is not going to be Twilight like. However, if the DS producers keep on trying to compete with other vampire franchises then perhaps they should have never attempted to tackle this DS movie project. It doesn't seem that we are only talking about rewrites but more of totally scrapping August's vision and starting from a new beginning. Here is another DS article that does not add any new information but does add to show how fragile this DS project is.
http://www.examiner.com/x-18039-Capital-District-Movies-Examiner~y2010m1d29-Dark-Shadows-is-coming-but-not-just-yet
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Ah, there's a quote from one of the reports in which King said they'd been given John August's script. I knew I'd read it somewhere...
Speaking of August, this past week I rewatched The Nines after not having seen it since the DVD first came out in January of '08. I'd forgotten how much I'd love it and its whole concept. Certainly, the Depp/DS movie will be nothing like it - but it proves to me that August is more than capable of writing fully formed and complex characters and placing them in a extremely well plotted story that will make you think as well as entertain you. And I can't ask for more than that from a movie...
I also own the DVD of Go, which August also wrote. I haven't watched that one since it came out in August of '99. It's a dramedy, so it won't be anything like DS either - but it tops my rewatch list, and I'll probably fit it in this weekend...
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They can't draw up a realistic budget or schedule a shoot until they have a finished script. I'm very sure they want to do it right, and if that means more work needs to be done on the script, they really have no choice. A movie project like this is not simply a matter of contracting with a writer, the writer banging out a script, and the producers running with it to the studio. I think Burton and Depp have a very tricky situation on their hands--there are so many directions they could go with interpreting the base material, and so many of those directions could go way wrong. I'm just as impatient as the next guy, but I'm frankly relieved to hear that the delays appear to be due to trying to get it right.
Absolutely!
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I caught that too MB about how King previously stated that he received August's script so why is King subsequently saying that he hasn't received it yet. If King was referring to the fact that he hasn't received the rewrites, then in all fairness he should put that in the proper context. August stated he believes the script he wrote for DS is fantastic. I hope all parties get on the same page and let this project go forward. I haven't seen The Nines or Go yet but I heard a lot of good things about them.
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how King previously stated that he received August's script so why is King subsequently saying that he hasn't received it yet. If King was referring to the fact that he hasn't received the rewrites, then in all fairness he should put that in the proper context.
As I attempted to piece together a couple weeks ago, I think King did imply that when he has referred to the script August turned in as a first screenplay and a first draft, while also mentioning rewrites. The confusion stems from the fact that King seemingly provides some details in one report and other details in another report and one needs to piece the situation together from these different reports because there's no one report that lays it all out. However, that could be the report writers' faults as much as it might be King's. We don't always know for sure if the reports are picking and choosing King's remarks or including them all...
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Perhaps the outfit we first see Carolyn in might look like the one Kate Hudson is wearing in the photo? Perfect for dancing at the Blue Whale, if you ask me.
I see where Colleen Atwood is nominated for an Academy Award for her costumes from Nine. If she wins, maybe Carolyn really will wear something similar. [snow_laugh]
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A promising update:
http://www.collider.com/2010/02/20/johnny-depp-provides-updates-on-dark-shadows-the-tourist-and-pirates-of-the-caribbean-on-stranger-tides/
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Cool!
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Great news. And from a reliable source, namely Depp himself.
I've been hoping we'd hear something during the press tour for Alice in Wonderland. Thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
Hopefully we'll get some news from Burton during one of his interviews...
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<<<< Just did a happy dane across the floor! [angl2] [cool9] [banana2]
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Hmmm - I wonder if Depp is testing out looks for how Barnabas might dress when he introduces himself at Collinwood?
Johnny Depp preps for paparazzi on 'Accidental Tourist' set (http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/2010/02/johnny-depp-preps-for-paparazzi-on-accident-tourist-venice-set.html)
No? Well, you never know. [wink2]
But seriously, with Angelina Jolie teamed with Depp, I can only imagine the insanity that will ensue during The Tourist shoot. The cover of this past week's edition of The Star was already spinning lunacy. ::) Thankfully the coverage of the DS shoot shouldn't be anywhere near as crackbrained...
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I don't really care for Angelina.....never really have and it's not the whole Brad thing......poor JD though. I know he hates all that mess!! As for Star....they are total trash.....
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(Should Vanessa Paradis be worried?)
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I need to clarify! I meant JD hates all the media attention. If you are referring to JD's girlfriend Midnite...I don't think she needs to be worried. I have nothing against Brad Pitt but I don't think JD is quite as fickle and flaky as BP is. That is just my opinon. Sorry for getting horribly off topic!
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Oh, you didn't need to clarify, hon. I intended to write that before I saw your post and as a response to Depp teaming with Jolie. Sorry for the confusion.
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poor JD though.
I meant clarify the above line. I was trying to say that he would hate the press hounding the set because of Angie and her brood. I guess he won't mind working with Angie or he wouldn't have signed on.
*I think I need to go back to bed* on a side note!
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Any thought on Emma Thompson, Cher or Sigourney Weaver as Liz?
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This is the first time I saw an additional sentence added to Depp's remarks: "I see it going this year," Depp said. "I hope it does. I do, yeah. We'll work like dogs to get there."
If they work like dogs to get there, that is all we can ask for. I do like his enthusiasm.
http://scifiwire.com/2010/02/finally-johnny-depp-clear.php
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If they work like dogs to get there, that is all we can ask for. I do like his enthusiasm.
Indeed! [snow_cool]
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This is from an interview with Richard Zanuck today.
http://www.filmshaft.com/exclusive-alice-in-wonderland-richard-zanuck-interview/
Have you any more plans to work with Burton since youre on a roll?
Yes, Im going to be doing Dark Shadows with Johnny (Depp) and Tim later towards the end of the year. Hes got to do another Pirates movie. But were shooting over here (London) even though the movie is set in Portland, Maine. Weve got the stages at Pinewood lined up.
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I sure hope they haven't been paying rental fees to Pinewood Studios since we first heard that they'd lined up stages there! [snow_wink] That would be one huge bill by now!! [snow_shocked] But the good thing about this news is that perhaps they can begin building the necessary sets so that everything will be approved and in place by the time shooting commences. And believe me, at this point, with so little known about the production, I'd be thrilled just to see a few pictures of some sets! [snow_laugh]
And as always, thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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My pleasure MB. I also hope they haven't been paying rent all that time-that might eat into the budget. jk I would not be surprised if they have not already started building sets or about to begin to build now. I guess Zanuck meant by the stages are lined up that the stages have only been booked(?). That would be tremendous if we could see the sets! It certainly is true that there has been a dearth of information regarding this project. I still hope some exteriors shots will be shot in the U.S. but that may be unlikely due to production costs etc... There may be more information coming out today because I read that Burton and Depp are doing many interviews today.
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I still hope some exteriors shots will be shot in the U.S. but that may be unlikely due to production costs etc...
As I mentioned in another topic, that's something that I suspect. Many US states require crews be hired from their own states - so that could mean that the DS film would have to hire an all new crew rather than work with the same crew as in London. And that would mean dealing with different unions, different rates of pay, etc. But Great Britain has some great locations and some great houses, so I'd be quite content to see them used in the film - especially if they're going with a backstory for Collinwood that it was first built in England and then transported to the US at some point (as was the case in the '91 series), or even if Collinwood was simply patterned after the Collins' ancestral home in Great Britain... (Not to mention that, by virtue of the fact that he lives there, perhaps Stuart Manning might get invited to do some on the scene reporting for collinwood.net for us fans. [snow_wink])
There may be more information coming out today because I read that Burton and Depp are doing many interviews today.
We should only be so lucky...
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Oh that would be great if Stuart can provide us with on the scene reporting. Talking about a dream job! So essentially the movie will most likely be filmed like the original series was-exterior of houses and filming the scenes on a studio lot-unlike the 1991 and 2004 reincarnations where they filmed some scenes inside and around the Greystone mansion and the rest on a lot. Maybe it is just to early to call.
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So essentially the movie will most likely be filmed like the original series was-exterior of houses and filming the scenes on a studio lot-unlike the 1991 and 2004 reincarnations where they filmed some scenes inside and around the Greystone mansion and the rest on a lot. Maybe it is just to early to call.
That seems to be the way Burton likes to work - all the better to "protect" his projects behind locked doors and to keep everyone maddeningly in the dark (no pun intended). [snow_wink] But we shall see...
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But were shooting over here (London) even though the movie is set in Portland, Maine.
Not in Portland! [sad3] Will we be losing our mythical little seaport village in the new movie? Or did Zanuck misspeak?
ProfStokes
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I wondered about that, too. But I suspect he misspoke.
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I am hoping that he misspoke and that is not in the script. I can't see them changing our little seaport village. As long as they can find their way to Pinewood Studios we should be ok. jk
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Though if they have changed the setting to Portland, I also suspect they have their reasons. I have no idea what they might be. Then again, we know absolutely nothing about the script. And again I suspect Tim Burton, especially, likes it that way. [wink2]
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I'm sure the suit dude could only remember "port" and said "Portland" in lieu of "Collinsport."
btw, for those who enjoy reading behind the scenes stuff about the insane world of Ho'wood, there's a hysterical piece about big producer and hair stylist Jon Peters in the current Vanity Fair. Apparently Peters is literally an illiterate. It's wild stuff.
G.
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Next week's issue of Entertainment Weekly features a cover article in which Johnny Depp and Tim Burton look back on 20 years of collaborations - and in the interview section, when asked if DS will be their next project, Burton is quoted as saying: "For now we're still basking in the glow of Alice. But we're working on Dark Shadows."
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Well that's better than nothing. Plus we all know how secretive these two are! Side note: It just tickles me that Johnny is a Kentucky boy like me! ;) I have never been ashamed of that fact but I hadn't forgotten that he was from Ky till recently.
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This is from an interview with Richard Zanuck today. ... "Weve got the stages at Pinewood lined up."
How cool! Thanks Jimbo!
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OT a bit. This writer of this article was not too kind to Burton and Depp in his review of Alice in Wonderland. I hope this review is not representative of most of the critics. A brief DS mention.
http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/2008-12-6-motion-captured/posts/the-m-c-review-alice-in-wonderland
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Varirey had problems with Alice, too - but nothing like that review. Wow - that review is a complete slam - Variety simply said that in parts Alice is too conventional. Though they seemed to blame that on the fact that "it's a Disney film illustrated by Burton, rather than a Burton film that happens to be released by Disney." And they liked Depp.
Despite how he regales the reader with how much he's loved much of Burton's previous work, it's almost as if the reviewer from HitFix went into the film with the preconceived belief that he was going to hate it. And, sadly, some reviewers do indeed do that...
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That was indeed a complete slam of a review. The writer waited a week after he saw it to write his review. You would think he would have calmed down a bit and have been more objective. I have seen the trailers but it also seems Disney may have a hard time marketing this film-is it designed for the younger market or adult market or both-the latter may be a hard thing to be successful with. I have a concern that parents will not bring their kids to see it if the word by mouth is that Burton has made this a scary type of movie (unless of course it is true)-or one that is for adults despite it being a Disney film. I am sure Disney didn't want this to be one of those "artistic" movies but one that would be fun for the entire family.
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In this article Depp clarifies his position on the Pirates 4 script and mentions that even Burton ran home from school to watch Dark Shadows and said this about the DS movie:
We looked at ways to go, story-wise. Weve started to come up with something interesting. If all goes well, I will jump into that toward the end of this year.
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entertainment/entertainment/view/20100227-255744/Johnny-Depp-as-the-Mad-Hatter
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I've only seen the two reviews so far, but neither would seem to indicate that Alice is too scary for kids. And Variety believes it "will pull wondrous early B.O. numbers." The only downside they see is that its long-term forecast could become clouded because of the imminent releases of other high-profile kid-friendly features...
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We looked at ways to go, story-wise. Weve started to come up with something interesting."
Talk about teasing us when we're starved for any actual tidbits of information concerning the storyline directions. [snow_wink]
Although, and I could be reading more into that remark than Depp intended, but it seems to indicate that we won't be getting the same almost complete storyline retread that, oh, say, someone like DC would have most probably insisted upon. It seems like they're looking at ways to go in new directions. And so long as they keep within the spirit of DS, which would certainly seem to be their aim, that would be wonderful.
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I agree with your interpretation MB. They must be departing from John August's original script/storyline for whatever reason. I thought John's version was going to depart from the traditional DS storyline as it was. But Depp stated "we've started to come up..." meaning to me that they are preparing a new script based on this new storyline. Why are they teasing us so? jk
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We looked at ways to go, story-wise. "Weve started to come up with something interesting. If all goes well, I will jump into that toward the end of this year.
We haven't gotten so little over the last three years that I will take all I can get. Great to hear this! :) Thanks guys! I have said this a thousand times I am not glad DC is dead. However, after reading his hard headiness toward the DS pilot I am glad that he cannot interfer with this.
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On the Collinwood.net blog there is some new quotes from Johnny and Tim about DS. I don't think this has been posted. They were on BBC's Friday Night with Jonathan Ross and were talking DS! They are funny talking about Fly bloopers! :) LOL Great to finally see more coming out about DS and the duo talking enthusiastically about the show!
http://www.collinwood.net/news/
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I'm sure Burton was just joking, but heaven forbid: "Were gonna fill the room with flies... and make the actors pretend that theyre not there!
[eek]
They may be, but I haven't seen where Depp or Burton might be doing the US talk show circuit before Friday's opening of Alice. [sadb]
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Hey there, a little late chiming in, but you can see most or all of the Jonathan Ross interview on the Accidental Sexiness site- it's in 2 parts:
http://www.accidentalsexiness.com/2010/02/27/johnny-depp-tim-burton-talk-alice-edward-and-more/ (http://www.accidentalsexiness.com/2010/02/27/johnny-depp-tim-burton-talk-alice-edward-and-more/)
I was disappointed that Johnny didn't go on Letterman this time around (Conan is off the air and we're between Leno shows- I'm actually not missing Leno, to be honest [snow_wink] ) But if he didn't do it before going to London for the Alice premiere, he's not going to [snow_sad] He arrived in Venice yesterday, and apparently started filming The Tourist already today. Some paparazzi photos have showed up of the filming. Johnny and Tim did do a couple of brief clips on Entertainment Tonight-type shows, and a couple more in London, but that may be it for now.
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Thanks so much for providing links to the videos. Depp and Burton are apparently quite funny when they get together. And actually seeing the video (as opposed to just reading the quotes) leaves little doubt that Burton was completely joking. But then, both of them were goofing on so many of the subjects that came up. And I love how Depp often does it with a totally straight face. [lghy]
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Helena Bonham Carter was aked if she will be in the new Dark Shadows movie. Interesting response(s).
http://www.fearnet.com/news/interviews/b18347_exclusive_down_rabbit_hole_with_helena.html
PS Thanks to the other cousins for their posts here; articles and videos....
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Considering that she seems to be in everything Burton does, it will be a surprise if she's not in it.
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I would kind of be glad not to have her in DS. She is fabulous actress but it's getting a bit repetitious for my taste!
Thanks for the link! :)
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This Friday night--the promo materials mention them discussing DS:
http://www.bbcamerica.com/content/377/guests.jsp
Other guests include Andrew Lloyd Webber and Sade.
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This is great news, J99, for DS fans who might have slow Internet connections (and are unable to watch/download the two videos online) but who have BBC America on their cable. Now they can see the interview for themselves.
Thanks for the heads-up. [snow_smiley]
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Since Tim Burton is a DS fan, I have to wonder why he never casts any of the DS actors in his films. You'd think some of them would've turned up in his movies over the years. I'm hoping we get some cameo appearances in the new DS movie.
~Penny~
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Just a Reminder this is on BBC America tonight, I believe at 10pm.
I live in NYC and Time Warner cable carries the channel, hopefully they do elsewhere.
I'll report on it tomorrow (even if it isn't newsworthy--following in our best/worst journalism practices of the moment) [snow_tongue]
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This is PROBABLY a stereotype [snow_wink], but this is the kind of thing about a Burton DS that I fret about--- and IMO, rather funny (rated PG for slightly profane):
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1929453
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It's exactly what I've feared as well - but I'm really trying to keep an open mind that, while Burton will certainly touch on some of his favorite themes because they're also a big part of what makes DS DS, he'll abandon a good deal of his quirkiness in favor of giving DS the serious treatment it deserves (though that joke on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross still scares me because that was hardly the way to explain DS to an audience that knows little about what actually makes DS DS :-\).
Be all that as it may, though, the video IS a hysterically funny parody. [lghy]
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Thrillsville. (set in Portland, Maine.)
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Willie "Stake and Hammer Hands" Loomis. Trim those hedges, cut that hair, pound a stake into your favorite vampire there. Ha ha!
Perhaps Burton will utilize his memories of art director Jack Otterson's sets from Son of Frankenstein 1939. It would certainly fit his style. Frank Skinner's music wouldn't hurt either.
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Video is on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVJvC42U-WQ
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So, apparently, this new take that Burton and Depp are referring to is this: They aren't going to do a Dark Shadows story, they are going to do a story about the making of the original Dark Shadows, a la Ed Wood. It's going to be just like that Bewitched remake a few years back... This is why Burton so happily shared his vision of swarms of flies being thrown at actors. Now to cast Bennett and Hall...
[snow_shocked]
Just kidding about this... I think. I hope... But it would be interesting, just not what I want to see from a DS remake at least this time around. Let's hope that that "new take" they are referring to isn't something this drastic.
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Julia 99 posted this on her twitter account! Zachary Quinto says he was a DS fan and he thinks Tim and Johnny can pull it off!
http://community.zacharyquinto.com/entry/6a0120a6109cef970c0120a92f9313970b
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Here we go again-boy does this look familiar. myentertainmentworld.com posted this yesterday at its website so it looks like one of the production companies is thinking shooting will begin in September. What no Portland? jk
DARK SHADOWS - September, 2010; Details Are only Available By Subscription.. STORY: The film is about Barnabas Collins, a vampire who lives in an isolated manor house in the sleepy seaboard town of Collinsport, Maine. (Posted: March 16, 2010)
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Interesting that it was posted yesterday because yesterday I was quite tempted to take advantage of the 14 day trial on IMDbPro to see what the DS listing was saying now. But I talked myself out of it because I figured that details about the film are always changing - so, while what it says now may be accurate now, what's to say it will be next month or the month after? The way things seem to progress, it's probably still too early for anything to be written in stone. Though it's still nice to see that someone believes that production will begin in September. ;)
What no Portland? jk
Maybe whoever posted the listing simply hasn't gotten the memo about the location change. [lghy]
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I think you made a good move MB in not using up the free trial at IMDbPro. It is tempting to pull the trigger but you are only allowed that one try. Timing is going to be difficult. I think September is the best case scenario and everything has to go just right for DS to start filming that month. Pirates 4 will have to be completed etc... But I do like the sound of a September shoot and especially in light that it won't be set in Portland-not that there is anything wrong with Portland. jk
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What an interesting way to describe the story. It's a very true description, but not one that would come to mind right away. It's odd that there aren't any more plot details. Usually when one thinks of DS, images of chained coffins, lost love, and "arriving at Collinwood" come to mind. I wonder what, if anything, we can discern from the lack of any of these details. [snow_strange]
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I wouldn't read much into it because practically all of the films have such a brief description - some even shorter. I suspect that, like listings in the classified section of a newspaper, they either have to pay per word or they're allotted so many words and then have to pay extra if they go over.
One thing that we might be able to discern from the description, though, is that it seems as if the film is set in the present because that's not how one would expect the story to be described if it was set in the past and was an origin story similar to 1795, which is what some fans have speculated it might be.
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That is true, MB. They probably do have a limited number of words they can use, but the way it's written is just weird. They could have described the same exact thing with less words: "The film is about vampire Barnabas Collins who lives in a secluded mansion in a sleepy coastal town." Maybe they just wanted to confirm that the setting was indeed Collinsport. ;-) When I read that description, though, I think something along the lines of A Series of Unfortunate Events, where some kids stumble upon a creepy old house and the reclusive vampire inside. [snow_tongue]
And if we are to speculate further using this strange description, we might also be able to assume that this is the only plot detail everyone working on the film has been able to agree upon:
"Well, we know there is going to be a vampire named Barnabas; and we know he lives in an old house in Portland..."
"Not Portland! Collinsport!"
"Right. Collinsport. And then there is this werewolf ghost..."
"No! That is in the sequel!"
"Oh. Right. So we have a vampire named Barnabas living in an old house in... Collinsport." [snow_wink]
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There has been an announcement that Burton is going to start on making a Addams Family animated movie. I tried to post the link, but it won't let me.
Anyway, the article did'nt mentioned a word about DS and Depp. In a way I was surprise that Depp wasn't mentioned on being involve in the project.
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Is it accurate to say that a vampire lives anywhere?
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LOL! Well he is the LIVING dead! I heard about the Addams Family thing. Its gonna be like The Nightmare Before Halloween with stop animation!
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Burton would do lovely things with an animated Addams. The two were made for each other. But, read this:
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/03/19/tim-burton-denies-addams-family-report/ (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/03/19/tim-burton-denies-addams-family-report/)
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Yes, from time to time people may word comments cleverly to conceal the truth until such time as they're ready to officially announce it. However, it certainly is not the case that every comment needs to be or should be parsed word by word to try to detect some sort of hidden truth. In this case the truth just might be that Burton has no intentions of doing an Addams film at all and once again the Internet is spreading stories without any sort of confirmation at all - something it's very good at doing. But I suppose that when you're one of the sites that gets pulled into reporting rumor as fact, you're less than happy to just admit it...
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This is what I love about the entertainment industry. There is more drama behind the scenes than in the movies themselves. [snow_bigglass]
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just fyi GK Films, one of the production companies involved with the DS movie has its own Facebook page http://www.facebook.com/pages/GK-Films/357131111726?ref=ts and own website
http://www.gk-films.com/
I assume hopefully that it may eventually have some DS information.
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One would assume and certainly hope. Facebook looks like it should be a good place to gather casting info. And their Web site looks like it might post trailers and such. We should only be so lucky. [snow_wink]
Thanks for the links. [snow_smiley]
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The writer IMO is speculating that the DS movie will be filmed in 3-D. Mr. Zanuck did not say that so it seems it is just speculation? I guess if WB is going to release 11 movies in 3-D in 2011 DS may be one of them.Why can't the media get the information right when they refer to the original show? The 1980s?
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article7076285.ece
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I have a hard time believing that 3-D would be seriously considered for Dark Shadows. What is to be gained?
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I agree. I don't think it's a necessity but maybe the studio is pushing them to film it in that format.
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This isn't the first we've seen speculation of shooting in 3D. I presumed he was just joking. But who knows - especially with the huge success 3D has been for many films lately (not to mention the recent release of the first 3D television):
I just hope it will be shot in 3-D.
And, jimbo - you might also want to check out the post after Darren's. [snow_wink]
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I am not exactly sure why you want me to look at a comment I left a while back. Burton certainly now has mastered the art of 3-D but I am still undecided if the DS movie should be filmed in that format-not that I have a say in it. jk Filming the DS movie is now certainly a strong possibility especially if WB and Burton wishes for that format.
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I am not exactly sure why you want me to look at a comment I left a while back.
Only that you'd seen Darren's comment. No more. [snow_smiley]
Burton certainly now has mastered the art of 3-D but I am still undecided if the DS movie should be filmed in that format
Like you, I'm undecided as well. And like KMR, I don't see where it would enhance the story - well, beyond a few fright gags. DS is something that should rely more on character than gags - though, if used sparingly, a few good 3D gags certainly wouldn't hurt the story - especially if they're used for surprise effect. And the good thing from the perspective of people who wouldn't like DS in 3D is that, like Avatar and Alice in Wonderland, the Depp/DS film would most probably be shown in 2D as well. And the DVD/Blu Ray release, well, at least the first one, would most probably be in 2D because not very many people are likely to run out to buy 3D TVs right away.
Filming the DS movie is now certainly a strong possibility especially if WB and Burton wishes for that format.
I guess now it's my turn to be a bit confused. [snow_undecided] Did you mean that you've had real doubts that the movie would be filmed?
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Oh I inadvertently left out that I think there is a strong possibility that the DS movie will be filmed in 3-D especially in light that WB wants to have 11 movies filmed in that format in 2011 and how Burton may want to film it in that format as well. I agree with your position. I am not sure DS needs to jump on the 3-D bandwagon especially if it doesn't enhance the story. I just think it comes down to what the studio wants with Burton's approval. It seems to be more of a marketing ploy. And thanks for the explanation. I wasn't sure if I was suppose to read my post which is the one after Darren's -OK lights out for me. Back into the shadows.
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Here is one Director who is against the studio converting his film into 3D.
http://chud.com/articles/articles/23132/1/MICHAEL-BAY-IS-FIGHTING-THE-3D-POWER/Page1.html
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I couldn't believe that Mr. "Too Much Is Nowhere Near Enough" Bay would be against 3D; so it turns out he just doesn't want his conceived-and-filmed-in-2D movie converted into 3D. Which I can totally understand.
Still feeling slightly queasy about the idea of DS being done in 3D. Just makes me think that if it's really being considered, they aren't taking the material seriously but rather for the "camp" factor (which I think the news & opinion media always make WAY too much of).
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3D is fun, but it's just a gimmick. I mean, remember the last time 3D was big? Then it went away and was scoffed at for about 30 some odd years. Now it's back... for the moment. 3D may seem like the wave of the future now, but it also seemed that way the two times before when it was big. It's just a diversion to make more money. I want to see Dark Shadows in 2D, but I also want Dark Shadows to be serious and lacking CGI. I really wonder if we will get that or not... especially now.
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The article doesn't surprise me. Lastweek it was reported that Bay was against shooting Transformers 3 in 3D.
But it is hard for me to say it will be great if the Dark Shadows movie will be shot in 3D.
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The writer of this article is suggesting Anne Hathawayand Rachel McAdams for the Dark Shadows movie-see lower bottom for DS topic.
http://insidemovies.moviefone.com/2010/03/30/can-anyone-fill-julia-roberts-shoes/
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I wouldn't mind seeing either or both in the Depp/DS film. And several DS fans and I believe one other article have already suggested Anne Hathaway.
Getting back to 2D vs. 3D, there was an interesting development on Monday. It seems that Dreamworks' stock dropped significantly due to disappointment over the weekend boxoffice for How To Train Your Dragon. Only in Hollywood could a $43.7 million take be a "disappointment." But with Avatar opening to $77 million and Alice to $116.1 million, apparently expectations were high for similar opening numbers to continue. And considering they didn't, perhaps the industry will be reassessing if they want to put out as many 3D films as they were speculating just last week. I suppose a lot will depend on how Clash Of The Titans opens this coming weekend. Considering its demos are wider than Dragon's, I suspect there are huge expectations for it - probably even more so than there were with Dragon...
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I read that too somewhere that Dreamwork had promised its stockholders or whatever a weekend gross over 60 million and now they expect it to gross about 150 million which to them seems a big disappointment. I heard that the reviews for Clash of the Titans were not good and that cost something like 200 million to make. So 3D is no longer a certainty for a big box office although this trend will continue.
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Clash of the Titans apparently has a ginormous promotional budget, so it will need to open very well to recoup its costs. I think it probably has more potential, though, because it's aimed at a different audience than Dragon.
I do kind of hope that this latest tide of 3D frenzy ebbs, if only to help ensure that Dark Shadows is done in 2D...
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For the record, I believe Anne Hathaway or Rachel McAdams would be wonderful in Dark Shadows, simply wonderful.
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[laughing4] [clap] You have my vote on those two also.
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I've read a long time ago that Anne Hathaway was campaigning for the role of Vicki. The fact that she wanted the role so early in the production stage, and that she's talented and looks right for the part puts me on Team Anne.
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It didn't seem to be on the TV Guide site but in next week's TV Guide on the Soaps page there's an article about the new DS movie. The article quotes Jim Pierson as saying "...if all the supernatural forces are in order, production will start at the end of 2010" and "Everyone involved wants Frid to do a cameo. The bite goes on!" (Rolling my eyes at that last sentence -- LOL!) The article also states that HODS and NODS will be on DVD for the first time, although it doesn't say when, and says that NODS will have 30 minutes of never-seen footage -- is that official now? Sure hope so!
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Thanks Mary for the TV Guide DS article which I picked up today. If they put the article any further back it would have been on its backcover. jk It's deserving of a page 3 placement.
Here is another article referencing the DS movie.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-ca-zanuck11-2010apr11,0,1798363.story
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You're welcome Jimbo. That was an interesting article you linked -- I forgot about the DS connection and got interested reading about the Zanucks! LOL!
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This writer stated in this article that based on insider information provided to him by WB studio executives, Dark Shadows is expected to be filmed in 3-D.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/the_big_picture/2010/04/is-there-any-movie-warner-bros-wont-make-in-3d-.html
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I love the title of the LA Times article.
As for the Depp/DS film being done in 3D, I still can't picture how it will enhance the story. Something like how in hoDS Barnabas moves in to attack Carolyn in her bedroom would be effective in 3D - but what else do you do? I suppose we'll see. But just so long as it isn't flies coming out of the screen at us. [ghost_wink]
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but BATS flying out at the screen at us would be great!
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Yeah - but how often can you do that?
Now we have two gags:
- Barnabas attacking.
- Bats flying.
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What scares me is that the 3-D aspect is going to take energy and budget away from other things in the production that would actually enhance the story.
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I have the same fear. But just like I'm trying to keep an open mind that Burton will be directing, I'll try to keep an open mind if it turns out the film will be shot in 3D...
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Do you think we will have the choice between seeing it in 3D and 2D!??
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If the film is indeed shot in 3D, how we each see it will all depend on how the theaters in each of our areas are showing it. But regardless of that, I still think the film would be released on DVD/Blu Ray in 2D because so few people are likely to own 3D TVs...
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Didn't people get a choice with Alice? I agree about the 3D tv's!
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I can't speak to everywhere, but certainly not around here. You either went to a theater that was showing Alice in 3D or one that was showing it in 2D. There weren't any complexes that were showing it in both. And the theaters that were showing it in 2D were few and far between because something like 80% of the theaters in the US that showed Alice showed it in 3D.
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Not speaking for the large multiplex theatres in the heart of New York, but the multi-theatres in the boroughs in NY have one theatre that is capable of playing a 3D movie. So when a movie like Alice opened it payed on two screens at the same multi-theatre. However when Clash and the Dragon 3D movie came out one of the theatres in Staten Island decided not to play the Clash movie in 3D so there certainly will be times when you will be only able to see one version of a movie. It will be interesting to see what happens when more 3D movies are released in the future if the movie houses don't expand its 3D playing capabilities.
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it seems like just untill recently, when a 3d movie came to dvd it was also offered in 3d on dvd but with the inferior red+green glasses 3d format because thats the only 3d process that seems to work on our present tv system. now they seemed to only offer 3d films in 2d dvd or blue ray formats. perhaps when the new 3d tvs become more popular and affordable the 3d films will be re issued in 3d for the new 3d tvs. does anyone know if the new 3d tvs use the red/green glasses or not?
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A friend says you use something he calls "polarized" glasses to watch now with the new technique. It sounds like a complete upgrade from the old 3 D.
To be blunt, I find it all a crashing bore. But for those who are into it--the "industry" is jumping on this bigtime.
G.
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I am not happy about this 3D speculation. I hope Warner decides to ditch this gimmick before it's too late. I see very little that 3D can add to the picture. Dark Shadows isn't really about sight gags, surprises, or fancy graphics. It's about good characters, music, and stories. And those things don't require 3D.
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While the waves of 3D releases very 10 or so years are always about generating more revenue (it is a business, after all), this latest one is just so blatantly about greed. I don't remember there being a surcharge during waves past. Then they started charging about $2 extra for the 3D, then $3, and I hear some places have upped it to $5. Ridiculous!
I'm hoping it doesn't happen, but if DS happens to be made/released in 3D, I will end up seeing it that way. But I only see myself opting for 2D when it comes out on Blu-ray. (I don't see myself ever getting a 3D TV; what's the point?)
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Dear Cousin Barnabas,
just keep repeating to yourself those magic words--"Warners greenlights Night of DS restoration project..."
It's the main thing I focus on at this point. I'm quite prepared to hear next that they're going to cast the whole Depp Shadows thing with Muppets at this point. (particularly if the new Muppet movie really takes off--fancy Miss Piggy as Angelique?)
The three things the suits care about are sales, sales, and sales. Oh and merchandising.
G.
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Gothick,
You are right. If we do get an NODS restoration out of this, I suppose it would be worth it; but i am still holding out hope that we can get NODS with Depp Shadows staying in the second dimension.
As for merchandising, I AM looking forward to this aspect - so long as the characters resemble their 1960s counterparts in some way, shape, or form. I'd love to see a Collinwood playset with corresponding action figures. But, right now, I am happy with the Mego-style line coming out this summer.
-CB-
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Warner Bros. issued a press release today listing Dark Shadows among the upcoming films that they will release in the IMAX format.
http://losangeles.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2010/04/26/daily16.html
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The Depp/DS film in IMAX would be wild, regardless of whether it's in 2D or 3D. And it's great to see that it's considered "among the best Hollywood event titles slated for release in the coming years."
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GREAT NEWS!
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I agree. It is great news. It should be great in 2D on the large screen.
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This is very good news. Hopefully this is an indication that Warner Bros. has big hopes for the project.
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Not that any one is counting the days to the start of the Dark Shadows movie's filming (j/k), Pirates 4 has been reduced to a 90--95 day film shoot instead of 5 months. Pirates 4 is tentatively scheduled to begin filming on June 14, 2010 so the DS movie would still then be in position for a fall shoot if there are not any big delays.
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-fi-ct-bruckheimer-20100427,0,2077706.story?page=1
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Well, this is good news - at least for us. [ghost_wink] Thanks for sharing. [ghost_smiley]
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Dark Shadows action figures with a Collinwood - and the Old House- playsets would be so awesome! Knowing I'd buy them all and play with them.
I've also really wanted a DS collectable card game. I'll be interested in new movie merchandise but I'll be most excited by any 60s DS swag that comes out.
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I just read that the new Dracula movie will be filmed in 3D this January. It seems to me that it is more likely than not that the DS movie will also be filmed in 3D if it ever gets made.
http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=15184
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If they both end up being in 3D, let's just hope the Depp/DS film comes out first. And there could be a chance of that if it starts shooting later this year because that report states that Dracula (supposedly) won't start shooting until January.
As I've said, I've been hoping the Depp/DS film would be a fall release, but if it has to come out before that to beat Dracula to the punch, so be it. Then again, sometimes and for a variety of reasons Dario Argento's films have a hard time finding distribution in the US, so who knows if/when we may see it...
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And we need to be concerned that Breaking Dawn (Twilight) is being released on Nov. 18, 2011 I believe- another movie that can influence DS' release date. 2011 seems to be already crowded-I am not sure what WB is thinking.
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Variety.com today listed WB 2011 movie releases and DS is not included.
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sorry here is the link-this doesn't look very promising
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118019395.html?categoryId=13&cs=1
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DS is not included.
Because it doesn't have a release date yet?
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An argument can be made that since WB did not include DS as part of its tentpole movies to be released in 2011, that Dark Shadows will not be released in 2011? I think a movie with Tim Burton and Johnny Depp would be considered a tentpole movie. In the absence of other information can we now assume that the DS movie will be released after 2011? I just think the DS movie is not one of those movies that you squeeze into a studio's schedule? Just wondering.
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Jimbo, I take that to mean there is not a release date yet because filming hasn't even started???? The projected release date is 2011, that much we know but that's not etched in stone either. Filming isn't due to start until nearly the end of this year, then there is post-production, etc.etc. I foresee a potential release date being late 2011 or early 2012 if indeed filming starts when they expect it to start.
Nancy
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I am just pointing out what the article's headline indicated, that WB has completed its 2011 release schedule. If WB was confident that DS would be released in 2011 the studio would have at least made reference to that even though it didn't have an exact release date especially it being a tentpole movie with Burton and Depp imo. I have a feeling that WB is saving DS for a 2012 release. Let's hope for the best and that the movie is released next year.
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I am just pointing out what the article's headline indicated, that WB has completed its 2011 release schedule. If WB was confident that DS would be released in 2011 the studio would have at least made reference to that even though it didn't have an exact release date
And I'm just saying that a movie such as DS that is actively in development but does not have a target release date wouldn't be included in a studio's release schedule. But release schedules are always subject to change anyway.
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release schedules are always subject to change
Exactly. Studio release schedules are often very fluid - especially ones that are announced more than seven months out. Films can be and often are shifted around, added, and removed. Much of the time an announcement such as the one that Variety published is merely a snapshot of what the thinking was on the date it was released. Much of it will in all likelihood remain the same - but some of it has a real possibility of changing sometime between now and the end of 2011. That's just the way the industry works...
Now, none of that means that the Depp/DS film will definitely be released in 2011. As far as we know, there's still too much about production of the film that's up in air to have any concrete idea when it will be released. But at the same time, that announcement in Variety doesn't necessarily mean that the film definitely won't be released in 2011 either.
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Understood. When there is no information all we are left with is speculation and misinformation. Hopefully confirmed information is forthcoming.
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I'll believe things are happening only when the film starts production. The nature of the industry can be frustrating when you are anxious to see a particular project get moving. [ghost_wink]
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I'm with you, Nancy. I've learned to become very cyncical and skeptical after the crash of the WB 2004 TV series. I won't believe it if they've even approved the script, hired actors/actresses and filmed it. I'll believe it when I'm going up to the cashier's window and forking over a gouging amount of money while saying: "Dark Shadows, please." Until then, I've lost interest in the Depp cinematic version. Right now, I think it will never happen. Hopefully, I'll be proven wrong.
Gerard
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Oh I believe it will happen. It's not going to come fast enough for many of us. I'll get more excited when the thing is in production but until then, I'm waiting until it goes into production. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Somehow I'm sure there's more going on than we're aware of - and when they're ready we'll officially be made aware of it. I suspect that, unlike last year, some things may be revealed at this year's Fest. Well, that is if it's not leaked on the Internet beforehand...
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You may be 100% right MB. Let's hope that is the case. Tim Burton appears to have picked up another project which could possibly impact DS. As we discussed there is a lot of misinformation out in the media. For example the author of this article believes that there has been no official announcement that TB has signed on to direct DS but I thought Shadowgram indicated so. Very frustrating indeed.
http://www.collider.com/2010/05/17/tim-burton-mai-the-psychic-girl/
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Back in March didn't Burton deny that he's doing a stop-motion version of The Addams Family? Yet there's Collider.com still reporting it - kind of like so many sites refused for months to believe all the denials that Depp was tapped to play The Riddler - and in an even unscripted Batman sequel no less. [ghost_rolleyes]
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I hate misinformation when it comes to DS especially since there has been really no information for the past two years. Zanuck just gave this update indicating there are isssues with the script that still exist and that filming may not begin until next year. It was announced yesterday Pirates 4 will be filmed in 3D so I don't know if that process will extend its filming time.
http://www.movieweb.com/news/NEKBlNLQcyqBOP
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Zanuck: "...it'll be very funny..." Whoa, that's news to me!
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Well I hope it won't be too funny j/k I mean are there going to be scenes where Depp accidental drops his cane or bats crashing into Collinwood's windows? And it's going to be scary at the same time? Tim was quoted that he will be attempting to capture that weird vibe the series had. Zanuck previously stated that he had never heard of DS before the project was announced so I doubt he has a good handle on DS. But he knows the status of the script and it appears to be far from complete which puts this project still up in the air.
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"it will be scary"
Gotcha. That's good.
"it'll be very funny"
Um, WHAT? No.
"and it will carry the Tim Burton stamp of uniqueness"
Uh oh.
I'm hoping Burton and Depp's love for the classic series will ensure that they get it right and that this Zanuck guy is just talking out his you-know-what.
~Penny Dreadful~
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Well at least he says "It won't be high camp" and that "it will be scary." DS did have intentionally funny moments, like with Carl in 1897 and almost every one of Roger's sarcastic remarks. Hopefully any humor will be that sort of humor and not of the pesky flies variety. But after Burton's remarks on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross, I'm still not sure what to think...
"and it will carry the Tim Burton stamp of uniqueness"
Uh oh.
As I've said from the outset of Burton's name being bandied about as director, that has been my worst fear. But I'm still trying to keep an open mind...
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When you think about it, Dark Shadows is quite funny. As MB pointed out, Roger and Carl were really hilarious, and Trask - especially Gregory - was quite comical, especially when pitted against his "transformed" daughter. So, let's hope that the "funny" stuff to which Zanuck was referring is of this kind. Though, a few, slight homages to the original's unintentional gaffs would be welcome, so long as they aren't overdone, exaggerated, or distinct. Inside jokes are quite acceptable.
And, of course, as Penny pointed out, it could just be Zanuck fishing for words. Or maybe he's reading the script the wrong way... You never know.
Tim's unique take on things has had me worried as well, but let's hope for the best.
But what has me concerned is this:
"Finally, since the show ran for several seasons and incorporated so many different elements of sci-fi and horror we wanted to know which elements he was hoping to incorporate into the film and if the lead character would still be the vampire Barnabus Collins played by Johnny Depp? 'Well the main character ... yes,' answered Zanuck."
What on earth does that mean? He could be referring to the fact that there are several times to choose from, but, I'd think that there would be some other constants in addition to Barnabas.
Overall, for now, I think we should take this report with a grain of salt, if only for the fact that Zanuck's answers are a little fuzzy at best.
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I never considered DS to be camp or high camp. That was a take that flabbergasted me when I first learned that was a perspective some people had.
There were funny moments in the show, sure, but I never thought of DS as being "funny."
Tim Burton's stamp for me is the way his productions are filmed. That is a style unique to him.
Nancy
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DS wasn't funny, but it sure did put in, through brilliant writing, some really funny lines. It played off of the characters. Some of the best zingers came from Roger, for example. And then there is the brilliant scene (to me, DS's best-ever written, directed and acted scene) when Judith informs her siblings that Grandmamama left her everything. While Edward and Carl were shocked, Quentin - that ne'erdowell - took it all in stride and uttered his extremely laughable "I'm going to cry!" line with all the sarcasm he could muster. Brilliant! And perfectly comical!
Gerard
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Penny, MB, Nancy: Zanuck's comments are getting me worried, too. [ghost_huh] DS was not a "funny" show, and never intended to be. The material was always handled quite seriously, and especially in the two movies (which, I am assuming, were in the tone that Dan Curtis specifically was aiming for, since he directed those himself). The NBC series added a little bit of outright humor, e.g. in the characters of Willie Loomis and Millicent Collins. But that humor wasn't mean to be "very funny", just light comic relief.
I'm wondering what "the Tim Burton stamp of uniqueness" will end up meaning for this project. Does it mean over-the-top stylistic weirdness? That can work--when applied to the appropriate property. I think it worked very well in Beetlejuice, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and others. But DS isn't that kind of property. If that's what Zanuck meant, then he's also right that "It will be scary"--just not the kind of scary he thinks he's talking about!
The only way I can see "very funny" possibly working at all is if the whole thing is treated as metafiction.
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I think we are all taking this "funny" business too seriously. DS was indeed funny, in terms of its witty-writing and the great acting which made its light moments especially enjoyable, but it still maintained its initial purpose - that of being a serious drama. (Usually the humor was of a sharper nature. It some respects, at times, it was Hitchcockian.) There are many episodes in which I laugh at something Barnabas has said to Willie or some look Liz is giving to Roger, while the overall episode is still very serious. It is a unique balance that was achieved in the original show. It was serious, but it could also be funny when it wanted to be in attempt to offset the serious aspect. If Burton uses this type of balanced comic relief to the film's advantage, then I think we are all going to be laughing and screaming for all of the right reasons.
One thing I disliked about the original films was that, for the most part, they lacked the warmth and wit of the series. The characters were pretty much one-dimensional, whereas in the show, they were rather fully developed. The "funny" moments help to make characters well-rounded.
I don't think you can have a truly "scary" movie and a truly "funny" movie all in one. You have to choose which way you want to go, and simply inject elements of the other. I think you can have a scary movie, with incredibly funny moments, just as in the original show, and I hope that is what they are going for. If Burton and his crew are out to make a funny movie, then they are out to kill the original intent of the show, and I don't think they want to do that. I don't think Depp wants to do that.
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CB, I get what you're saying, but that kind of "funny" isn't at all the kind of stuff that Tim Burton has done. With a Burton project, "very funny" is laugh-out-loud and/or weird. It's not sophisticated wit of the DS variety.
The only thing I'm hanging on to for hope is the fact that Depp loved DS when he was a kid. IIRC, this whole project was instigated by Depp; if he hasn't ceded too much control, perhaps that childhood love of DS will keep this on the right track.
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That is true, KMR. I wasn't thinking about Burton's other films when considering the possibilities here. I guess I am just hoping that the humor in the script is borrowing from the original show and not from Burton's repertoire.
And, I have A LOT of faith in Johnny. Perhaps there is such a hold up over the script because of the differing views on the project. Let's hope that whoever is supporting a film in the original vein wins out.
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Of course another thing to keep in mind is that even if the DS movie turns out to be awful, that doesn't change what the original and abbreviated revival series means to all of us and anyone else who loves the show. An awful movie will be a disappointment but nothing catastrophic.
Nancy
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Very true, Nancy. But a great movie wouldn't hurt either. [ghost_cheesy]
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My faith is strong in Johnny and I am not gonna sweat it. As for delays this is truly the nature of the business.
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I would think the main thing would be the new delay now it won,nt film until at best until early 2011. but im sure next it won,nt film until the end of 2011 is depp going to keep delaying filming it to make other films its been 3 years it should be put up or shutup time for depp make the film or drop it stop playing games.
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I don't think he is playing games. The script may not be right and also when he bought DS he had tons of other commitments. These things take time. As an avid follower of TV and movies like I said it's just the nature of the business.
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Maybe they can film it using Pixar bobble-heads. That would certainly give an entertaining twist to the 3-D factor. They'll love it in Peoria and think of the action figures!
cheers, G. still repeating his mantra: NoDS restoration out on DVD (with extras)!
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This DS movie development process has been one disappointment after the other for the past three years with no end in sight. The DS movie delay(s) is a running joke in the media now.
I just received the most recent printed Shadowgram #117-118. On page 5 it reflects in part,"SG can report The DS feature film finally is heading toward production later this year, probably in England"....
Probably in England? That is an interesting word to use since it has been widely reported in the media for the past year that it will be filmed at Pinewood Studios in London. Perhaps there is a possibility it may be filmed in the US?
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I agree with you. It's not as if Depp and company are sitting around wondering how to drive DS fans crazy. Bear in mind, the nature of the industry can drive some people right out of it (and it has) and others go with the flow. It's how their "workplace" works. We either understand that or we do not.
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I don't think he is playing games. The script may not be right and also when he bought DS he had tons of other commitments. These things take time. As an avid follower of TV and movies like I said it's just the nature of the business.
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I think a lot of people do understand but not in the way you would like. We understand that as of today that after three years there is no script, we don't know what country the film will be made in and that it will be a very funny movie. I think Nancy that you are excluding the possibility that one can understand the crazed developmental process and still respect Depp and company trying their best to get this project off the ground. This is how my workplace works. Either you understand it or you do not.
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No script??? Who said that! I thought John August wrote one?
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Actually, three years in development is not at all unusual. Some films have spent a decade or even more in development. There really is no set standard for how long development can take, and along the way there are always bound to be twists and turns, some quite unexpected. I believe that is what Nancy was referring to when she spoke of the nature of the business. The film business is nothing if not unpredictable, and it takes someone who's strong of heart to be successful in it because of that unpredictability. It's not a business for the faint of heart - and I believe that was also what Nancy was trying to say.
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No script??? Who said that! I thought John August wrote one?
August wrote a first draft. However, the script has been in the rewrite phase for sometime now.
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As of today there is no complete or approved script. They are still working on getting it done. Subsequent to JA's submitted script the producers and Depp himself stated that they are still working on the script's revisions and/or new story. It will get done eventually and we are all hoping it will be a great one.
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I think a lot of people do understand but not in the way you would like.
It's not a matter of my liking or not liking it. That's how the business works whether anyone likes it or not or respects the fact that's how it works. That process has been going on since the start of movies and isn't likely change. I was in it long life and enough of a degree to know all too well and personally how long it can take to bring something to fruition even in the theater. The frustration affected me to the degree I didn't want to be involved in that kind of work anymore. It was very much my workplace for awhile.:)
I think Nancy that you are excluding the possibility that one can understand the crazed developmental process and still respect Depp and company trying their best to get this project off the ground. This is how my workplace works. Either you understand it or you do not.
I didn't know you worked in some aspect of the business, is that what you are saying? The projects you did got off the ground faster and on a more predictable fashion? It's certainly happened before. I certainly do believe in the possibility one can understand the crazed process and still respect Depp and company because I do. They are the ones who have more to lose if the project fails than any of us. I'm glad your projects fared better with a lot less frustration. I was not so lucky, lol.
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The film "Michael Collins" was ten years in development and went on to great success. "Titanic" was in development for something like 15 years and "Superman," "Spiderman." and even "Avatar"were in various phases of development for over a decade. Those are just the ones that I know about off hand from reading about them in the trades after they came out or when there was some significant movement in the development phase. I remember reading that Cameron wrote a treatment for "Avatar" in the early 1990s.
All this stated just to emphasize that the twists, turns, delays and lack of concrete information is normal and not indicative that the film is getting shot down little by little. It will be a coup if they really start filming within the next year.
That said, I do hope we do not have to wait 15 years [ghost_cool]
Actually, three years in development is not at all unusual. Some films have spent a decade or even more in development. There really is no set standard for how long development can take, and along the way there are always bound to be twists and turns, some quite unexpected.
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Nancy on what basis are you assuming that I am in the movie business? How do you assume that my projects were successful and without any frustration? If you read my previous posts I have gone on the record many many times that I am not in this industry and don't know much about it. I hope you are reading my posts as I do yours. I was merely stating the facts as it applies to the status of the DS movie project. Am I wrong in saying that after three years there is no complete script, we now don't know where the movie will be filmed and that according to Zanuck the movie will be very funny? I was also responding to your post where you stated either you get it or you don't and I stated my opposition to that premise. My workplace is different than the movie industry and I make no claim otherwise. I don't think think one needs to be in the entertainment industry to agree or disagree with your posts. On the other hand I do appreciate you telling us of your experiences and bringing your inside perspective of the movie industry. I can't imagine how frustrating it was for you. Let 's hope the movie will be filmed in the near future so we can discuss more specifics like casting decisions etc... That would be far more interesting than staying in the speculation arena.
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In light of reports about what Richard Zanuck recently said, this report, dated today, is quite interesting: SCARY CHRISTMAS! (http://thequeenofhalloween.blogspot.com/)
In part it says: 'producer Graham King now confirms that the film will shoot in the fall, with Depp to play broody vampire Barnabas Collins.
"We're actually going to shoot that film early September with Tim Burton and Johnny," King said in a group interview'
However, the person who posted the report doesn't cite a source, so it seems as if there's no way to tell where she got the info or when King made the remarks. However, they do sound similar to remarks King made back in December. Remarks he has since backpedaled from. But there are also bits in the report that weren't mentioned back in December. [idontknow]
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Nancy on what basis are you assuming that I am in the movie business? How do you assume that my projects were successful and without any frustration? If you read my previous posts I have gone on the record many many times that I am not in this industry and don't know much about it. I hope you are reading my posts as I do yours.
Jimbo, I was dense and misunderstood your post when you spoke about your "workplace." Sorry. Also, please bear in mind that I don't remember everything everyone in a thread has posted before. I wish I did, but I don't. [ghost_nowink]
I was merely stating the facts as it applies to the status of the DS movie project. Am I wrong in saying that after three years there is no complete script, we now don't know where the movie will be filmed and that according to Zanuck the movie will be very funny? I was also responding to your post where you stated either you get it or you don't and I stated my opposition to that premise. My workplace is different than the movie industry and I make no claim otherwise.
Ok. I suppose what led me to the wrong conclusion/confused me is that workplaces are indeed different and what works and is typical in one is not typical in another. So one can't realistically expect to understand how another system or workplace works unless that is understood. I have worked in entertainment and also in law: two entirely different workplaces. In entertainment, there is much ebb and flow and things are harder to nail down. In the legal field, there are laws to follow, policies that must be adhered to and even though at the end of the day you may not know how a case will turn out, things are designed to happen within a certain time frame, etc. It wouldn't make any sense for me to approach understanding the legal field thinking it works like the entertainment field because they operate differently.
The expectation that you and some others have about how this whole Depp movie is going to evolve and how and when information is distributed is going to be a constant exercise in frustration because you won't accept how the business works. Personally, it doesn't matter to me if you do accept it or not. I personally dislike being frustrated, hence why I find out why something happens the way it does. Once I know, I have little choice but accept that is how something works otherwise I would be constantly banging my head against the wall. That seems rather futile to me.
The reason I have posted on this subject when I have was to offer some assurance that what was happening - all the delays and misinformation - was typical, not indicative of anything like the movie isn't going to be made.
We are all excited about the prospects of the movie and eager to see it. It will come together when it comes together. There is not a thing you and I can do to move things along. As that is the case, I choose to let the wheels turn however slowly and not become concerned about how slow it all seems to be and getting conflicting information. If you choose to fret over whatever information we get and speculate that's obviously your right to do so. I think I do finally have it in my head that there are fans who are going that route and are not assuaged by the knowledge that what's happening with the script and the project as a whole is typical. So be it. I am very anti-fretting in my personal life so I do what I can to avoid that at all cost and why I make a concerted effort to understand why things happen the way they do. [ghost_cheesy]
Sorry I misunderstood some of your earlier post. [ghost_smiley]
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Thank you Nancy for taking the time to write and for your clarification. I apologize too for misinterpreting the things you mentioned and for not being more clear on my posts. You gave me some things to think about. We are all in this together and I hope this movie gets made soon for all of our sakes.
MB that was an interesting article. Was King actually referring to this Christmas for its release if the movie was filmed this September? I have to assume he meant Christmas 2011 although I don't know what to believe anymore.
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I personally try and not worry about DS. Johnny is a great fan and he is aging nicely. I would personally rather them take there time and get the script hammered out and make it the best it can be before shooting it. The WB pilot was rushed experience for everyone involved and look how that situation turned out. I just try and relax. Is it frustrating at times?? Very much so! However, I believe we will get DS at least in the next two years and it all starts with how good the writing is so I want them to get this right! After all aren't' we all hoping this will revitalize the the franchise and also help the original, revival and everything DS enter those lexicons it has never entered before. [ghost_smiley]
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Nancy, I just wanted to say that I agree 100% with everything you said in your last few posts.
Cathy
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If depp is such a big fan why dose he keep making every other film more inportant then ds when will he delay another film to make ds? So far only ds is delayed. ds seems to be at the bottom in inportance to depp.
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I told myself I wouldn't be brought into these types of arguments again. But the claim that DS is the only film that's been delayed is totally false. The Rum Diary was on-again, off-again, for nearly a decade before it was finally filmed last spring. Shantaram was about to start production three separate times, and is now in indefinite "turnaround". I have a feeling it'll never get made. Johnny may not even be attached to it anymore; I don't know. A few years ago (before the DS announcement), he was also supposed to do another movie, Rex Mundi, fairly soon, and we haven't heard any updates on that film in ages. At least we hear somewhat regular mentions of DS's status. Even if it's not what you and I would like to hear, it's a heck of a lot better than many other In Development projects that Johnny has in the pipeline that seem to me MUCH further from the possibility of being done any time soon.
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Agreed. One can be a fan of DS and still not allow his or her world spin around it or rush headlong into a project before the production has been fully mapped out. I'm not privy to what other projects Depp is having developed or what his commitments are.
It still boils down to one getting it or not getting it. The same old claims and arguments will go on no matter what. [bnghd]
I told myself I wouldn't be brought into these types of arguments again. But the claim that DS is the only film that's been delayed is totally false.
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Was King actually referring to this Christmas for its release if the movie was filmed this September? I have to assume he meant Christmas 2011 although I don't know what to believe anymore.
Jimbo, you're right to assume that the reference is to Christmas 2011. At this point, it is not at all possible to have the movie out this Christmas. HODS and NODS had very quick production/postproduction schedules, with the time from start of filming to premiere being somewhere around 5 months. But for a project of the scale of the new DS, and with the personnel involved, even if they were to start filming next Monday there is no way in h-e-double-toothpicks that anything would be ready in time for a Christmas release this year.
But I'd be very happy to have HODS and NODS (the restored version, please!) under my Christmas tree THIS year!!! [ghost_tongue]
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Thanks KMR for your informative post. I was just trying to get into King's head (I know that could be dangerous to get into anybody's head) when he said this..."film's going to be in production, as I say, September of this year. We were hoping for a Christmas release date, who knows." For a minute I thought he believed it could be released that same year but as you mentioned that would be physically impossible. Let's hope for a fall 2011 release date for the movie. Yes having HODS and the restored NODS released this year on DVD would make just a wonderful Christmas gift.
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Alice set to hit the Billion mark. I think this serves as good news. I truly trust Johnny and Tim and think we are in for a blockbuster! :)
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/news/e3i653c072dd63127c843933703067c74d6
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WB has placed the Holmes sequel as its Christmas 2011 movie release:
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118019931.html?categoryid=13&cs=1
Taetlor that would be real great if DS grossed a billion dollars
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I wouldn't put too much stock in that. I can't tell you how many holiday releases have been pushed back to the next holiday in the past few years.
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Please no 'funny'. Keep the film serious, moody, brooding, etc. etc. etc. And last of all, please release the film while I'm still young enough to enjoy it ! [ghost_mad]
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An American Werewolf in London was both hilarious and scary-as-all-get-out and it's one of my top favoirite movies of all time, so I don't see why the DS movie couldn't be the same way. [ghost_smiley]
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An American Werewolf in London was both hilarious and scary-as-all-get-out and it's one of my top favoirite movies of all time, so I don't see why the DS movie couldn't be the same way. [ghost_smiley]
It wouldn't work in the sense that we are dealing with a different style of horror with AWIL. While that film contains elements of classic horror, it is decidedly a modern horror film and thus the comedic elements work in its favor. With AWIL, John Landis takes "modern, regular guys," drops them into a more-or-less classic horror world where there are affected by what happens there, and then puts them back in the "real" regular world to deal with the circumstances (one as a werewolf and the other as a restless ghost). The results are both frightening and comedic. You can have an eerie werewolf attack on the foggy moors, but then you can also have the "nudge nudge wink wink" of "Blue Moon" playing in the background during a werewolf transformation, or wacky David Naughton running naked through Hyde Park. The tongue-in-cheek aspects of that film work because there is a self-awareness there. I feel that if such elements were incorporated into DS, the mood would be utterly ruined. DS is derived from Gothic horror and romance. With DS, we're in that foggy, doomed village all the way through. There is no "funny contrast with real, modern world" here because we are fully invested in the reality of the DS world. There is no "Credence" playing in the background when Chris Jennings turns into some unholy beast. Surely, there are funny characters (Carl, Pansy, etc.) and witty dialogue (Roger, Quentin etc.) in DS, and they provide a wonderful contrast to the predominant mood of the series. With DS, these characters/situations exist WITHIN a fantasy world and are not intended as post-modern acknowledgments or comments on the genre. There is no specific awareness of horror movies or Boris Karloff in DS. The characters' knowledge (if any) of such things comes primarily from folklore and legend. Humor in the DS world, IMO, should be derived from specific character personalities and good writing for the more witty characters. It should NOT be "wow, this situation is so ridiculous that it's funny and scary at the same time." Know what I mean?
~Penny Dreadful~
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On that same note, I finally did get around to rewatching Burton and Depp's Sleepy Hollow, and the humor in it worked and didn't take away from the Gothic horror elements because it was derived from the characters themselves and not imposed upon them - and most importantly, it didn't take the audience out the film's Gothic setting, which I totally agree with PennyDreadful is absolutely essential in the DS universe. So, IF the Depp/DS film were to incorporate that sort of humor, it could actually work and be perfectly acceptable in the DS universe. But humor that takes the audience out of the Gothic setting, or worse, makes fun of the characters and/or situations (i.e. fill a room with flies and pretend they're not there), would not work.
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Very good assessment of the situation MB! I could be wrong but I can't see Burton nor Depp doing that with flies.
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I only said that because that's the remark Burton made on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross. And I would certainly hope he wouldn't do it either. [ghost_blink] Though he also said that DS has some of the worst camera moves you've ever seen. And while I'd agree that there are certainly more than a few camera shots where mistakes were made (it would be impossible to miss them [ghost_wink]), for the most part, I think the directors came up with great camera work. So, hopefully he was just goofing around and not hinting about the sorts of things he has in mind...
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Mistress Penny, I really wish Tim Burton would hire you as a Creative Consultant on the DS movie set.
Although then we might really get a look at Helena Bonham Carter's claws and fangs... given how superior your own womanly attributes are in every department...
Cordially,
Cousin Gothick of Cadogan Square
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Aw, thank you Gothick.
And I didn't even have to pay him to say that (this time). Hee hee.
~Penny~
Mistress Penny, I really wish Tim Burton would hire you as a Creative Consultant on the DS movie set.
Although then we might really get a look at Helena Bonham Carter's claws and fangs... given how superior your own womanly attributes are in every department...
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I still hope HBC sticks to her original statement about not being in the movie. However, I am sure she would be on the set visiting so you could see the claws then. I love her and she a great actress just tired of her in all of her husbands movies.
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Know what I mean?
I see what you're saying, Penny, I'm just saying that, using American Werewolf in London as an example, I think humor and horror both in one film could work. I wouldn't expect the humor in the DS movie to be exactly the same type as in AWIL, though. The Karl Collins scene is a better example from DS itself of humor that worked very well. [ghost_smiley]
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John August tweeted several hours ago that he suspects he will be in London a lot this year; probably for Frankenweenie and hopefully Dark Shadows; a filmaker on Twitter several days ago indicated that Frankenweenie is nearing production as its sets are built and its characters sculpted; and Variety confirmed today that Pirates 4 will be starting production this month. So since all we have are tea leaves, perhaps DS can begin to film later this year if all goes well. And we can assume that several websites such as this one indicating that Sigourney Weaver is in the DS movie is just an unreported rumor. http://www.answers.com/topic/sigourney-weaver
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We should only be so lucky that Sigourney Weaver might be in the film. Though as we know only too well, rumors such as this often have no validity whatsoever yet they still get picked up and are still reported as fact by way too many sites. [ghost_rolleyes] But on the other hand, I still suspect that there will be confirmed info announced at the Fest - and that's only a little over a month away. And as I alluded the other day, in this day and age it would be nothing short of amazing if absolutely none of the info that might be announced at the Fest doesn't find its way onto the Internet beforehand...
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Yes MB Sigourney Weaver is certainly a big time actress. I don't understand why people would intentionally report false information to these allegedly informative websites. I believe all of the limited information that was released on the internet have come from the other DS producers and other sources and then subsequently released via Shadowgram although I could be wrong. We all understand that Shadowgram gets its information after its is vetted by DCP hence the delay. So I find it unlikely that we will learn first hand any new developments at the Fest. There is so much competition to be the first to report the news that any new developments will most likely be released prior to the Fest as you suggested as a possibility. Personally I would like to be surprised and hear the movie's developments at the Fest. Time will tell.
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More questions raised in this article about the status of the DS movie.
http://www.heatvisionblog.com/2010/06/john-august-reteaming-with-tim-burton-exclusive.html
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Hmmm - there's no deal with Burton, there isn't even a producer, and isn't Depp supposed to begin shooting Pirates 4 like next week (so it hardly seems likely that shoot is going to be delayed at this late date). So, it seems like all The Hollywood Reporter has is a lot of speculation at this point. Not that that ever stops some writers from spinning their own scenarios. [ghost_undecided]
Not that everything couldn't come together for Monsterpocalypse similar to what the writer lays out - but at this point it seems like there's way too much up in the air to assume it's all going to come together before DS shoots...
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There were a ton of articles out today on the net about the DS movie although most of them speculate that the movie will be delayed. As you said MB all speculation.
John August wrote a piece today indicating why some projects are announced, some not and the advantages and disadvantages of both.
http://johnaugust.com/archives/2010/monsterpocalypse-announced#comments
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Well, as we know only too well, sites take these speculative articles and report them as fact, completely ignoring that they're only speculation. Though there is one part of the article that I suspect could definitely be fact and that's the part about how Warner Brothers wouldn't be happy if Burton picked up another project and they would push to get the Depp/DS film made first. WB may have no say in whether or not Burton could make a deal with DreamWorks with the DS film pending - but I strongly suspect they would be royally pissed if he does and then decides to do Monsterpocalypse instead. After all, WB stood by and patiently waited for Burton to become available while he worked on Alice In Wonderland because they really want him for the DS film. If DW is equally adamant to have Burton, let them get in line behind WB.
The only way I can see for DW to get Burton first is IF Depp decides he's too exhausted after the Pirates 4 shoot to do DS justice and he needs some time off beforehand. Only a situation like that wouldn't make WB want to tar and feather Burton. [ghost_wink] I'm sure they wouldn't be happy, but I think they'd be willing to accept it...
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John August in the article I linked above stated that Monsterpocalypse will take him off the market for over a year and it is the fastest movie development project he has ever been involved with. John also said that it will effect other tentpole movies at other studios. The bottom line to me is that this DS movie is Depp's baby. I would find it hard to believe that Burton will delay DS to the extent that it may never get made. Now that would be cruel to Depp and WB who as you said WB has been patiently waiting for TB. I just hope that justice is served and that DS films before Pirates 4. Let Disney wait. I don't know how these big studio power plays work but there is a lot at stake for us. Hopefully TB and JD will agree to film DS very soon. The only thing we know for sure is that the Tourist has completed its filming. Now the fun begins.
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I found August's remark that Monsterpocalypse has been the fastest a movie has come together in his career to be a bit puzzling. He says he hasn't even begun working on the script yet, and as I laid out last night, The Hollywood Reporter says there's no director and there's no producer. If all that really is the case, then obviously many elements still need to come together.
Maybe he simply means Monsterpocalypse is the fastest a movie he's worked on has ever been put into development because it certainly hasn't come together to anywhere near a point where it's ready to go into any state of production...
That all being said, what I particularly liked about the article was August's remarks about how keeping details about a movie under the radar helps to avoid media and/or fan speculation, helps to manage public perception, and helps to cut down on having to constantly battle expectations and fabrications. Not that we ever see any of that. And certainly never on the Internet. No - never. [nodno] ... Yeah, right!! ::)
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It seems one of the DS production companies on June 16, 2010 informed www.myentertainmentworld.com that the movie has in fact been officially delayed as the listing has changed from September, 2010 to TBA. Based on this I am expecting to hear a big fat zero at the Fest about the movie's developments since it appears there aren't any. I am sure we will be hearing the same stuff about how they are still working on the script and how they are waiting on Tim Burton and/or Johnny Depp or whatever. I hope I am wrong.
"DARK SHADOWS - (Date - TBA) - Details Are only Available By Subscription.. STORY: The film is about Barnabas Collins, a vampire who lives in an isolated manor house in the sleepy seaboard town of Collinsport, Maine. (Posted: March 16, 2010. Revised: June 16, 2010)"
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The IMDb still lists it as 2011. But as we know that doesn't necessarily mean much because we have no idea who's actually handling that listing.
I was disappointed to see that when the tentative Fest schedule came out, there wasn't anything specific to the film - just something generically titled "Dark Shadows In The 2000s". But I'm still trying to remain hopeful that there will be some sort of new info revealed at the Fest. It may indeed be that the film has been delayed yet again - but if so, hopefully specific and not vague reasons will be given...
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MB it is true what you said about IMDb and its accuracy. What is disappointing is that the production company who reported the movie's status shooting date change does not even know when it may be filmed. I would have even settled for something like Spring, 2011. I don't think that this is a very good sign at all. The DS movie is no longer a hot movie to be made and it lost a great deal of momentum IMO and TB may be more excited about his other projects and may now even believe that filming a two hour DS movie is not possible. If there has been a delay I don't expect JP to admit to that. I expect a lot of spinning. What JP should tell us is simply the truth regarding if the movie has absolutely no projected start date. I am not surprised now that there is no DS movie panel at this year's Fest.
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why did,nt the curtis estake when they sold the rights to depp why did,nt they give depp a limited amount of time to make the movie or the rights go back to the estake. and they can find someone else to make the movie not just talk about it like depp.both depp and burton are much more interested in other films as oposed to a old soap opera.
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More than likely Depp's deal is for a set time. However, an option like that can last for years - particularly because it normally takes many years for a film to get made.
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No direct developmental news on the DS movie but Depp's company just signed a new contract with GK Films and DS is still mentioned as one of their projects in the article. Let's hope that this project will happen. I guess plan B will involve pitching a new DS TV series to one of the networks but after seeing what NBC and the WB do with DS who wants to go through that again.
http://www.deadline.com/2010/06/johnny-depp-and-graham-king-re-up-production-deal/
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MB I remember many years ago Roseanne Barr acquired (or bought most likely) the rights to the British TV show Absolutely Fabulous but never did a thing with it. Hopefully DS will fare much better.
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I was talking to a friend today who, knowing how I've been disappointed by some of the delays with the Depp/DS film, told me that he was recently watching an interview on DVD with the director of a film that the director said had taken over six years to get into production - and how the script had gone through 14(!) drafts. Puts things into perspective, no? [ghost_wink] The Depp/DS film hasn't dealt with anything like that...
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Also on Saturday evening: A special presentation of the 2004 unaired DS television pilot will take place, to be followed by a discussion of the upcoming DS feature film to star Johnny Depp and be directed by Tim Burton.
I figured this would mostly be about the '04 pilot. And it's great that they're showing it again (and for the 6th time, even though at first they swore it would never be seen again after the '05 LA Fest) because, as far as I'm concerned, every DS fan who can should have a chance to see it. So I hope they keep showing it for years to come. But it's good to learn that they will also be discussing the Depp/DS film. Let's hope, as I said before, thatspecific and not vague
info will be revealed...
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I am also glad they are showing the 2004 pilot again after all it is part of our history now. I believe the discussion on the Depp DS movie will be limited to less than 5 minutes. I predict we will hear only that it will be filmed sometime next year and to me that is not a "discussion" but rather more like pure speculation. However I am hoping to be shocked in a positive way with some concrete developmental news. Someone may have to revive me if we receive any real news. jk
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Perhaps you should keep a vial of smelling salts on your person at all times during the Fest. Just in case. [ghost_wink]
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"At all times"? lol I will be very happy to take one for the team should we receive some real news. One should be enough. jk
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"At all times"? lol
Well, I said that because one of the quirky things about the Fests is oftentimes one learns more news in the hallways and in the restaurants than one does in the ballroom. So, it's best to be prepared at all times. [ghost_grin]
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That is true but most of the "news" I hear in the hallways and restaurants are juicy rumors that one cannot possibly print nor wish to spread. jk However, it is always good to be prepared as you never know when you just step into news. I'll bring a bottle just to place it safe as I await the highly anticipated revelations. j/k
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According to Wikipedia, the movie will start production in the Fall of 2010. But is that really true?
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Bear in mind that most articles in Wikipedia can be edited by almost anybody. Wikipedia depends on its users to keep the data correct and updated. The site has absolutely tremendous value as a starting place for research, but should not be relied upon as the definitive source for information on any topic whatsoever. Follow the links within and at the end of the article to get more information. (And never, ever, use Wikipedia as a source in a research article or term paper!!)
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Well no news has leaked in recent days-perhaps they are indeed saving some news on the movie to be released at the Fest. I can't honestly say that I am optimistic about learning some real confirmed news on the movie's projected start date. However, I think it is promising that there will be another new movie discussion panel at SDCC. I would assume that both panels, the one at the Fest and SDCC, will have some specific information about the movie. What is the purpose of them being there if they can't offer any specific updates? It would be fantastic if the panels have some promotional artwork to present to us or something to show us that the movie is about to start production. I will be disappointed if we hear the same stuff we heard about the movie at previous Fests.
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it looks like depp has another movie dr who that he,s going to make hope he dose not put this ahead of ds to.afthe all dr who is another old tv show i guess depp must of been a fan of who to.
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For what it's worth, the Dr. Who rumor is false- I forget whether it was from Johnny's side or Dr. Who's side, but someone officially denied it. Johnny was/is a fan of the show, but that's all. (He is also not going to play Ozzy Osbourne- that rumor has been circulating on and off for years, and it's floating around again now).
Nobody yet knows what Johnny will be doing after Pirates 4 - nothing has been greenlit, to my knowledge. It's frustrating, but ya know, it seems a little silly to say that Tim or Johnny must not care anymore when it doesn't sound to me like the script is yet in satisfactory shape. Hopefully there will be some tidbits given at the DS fest.
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Some news today- Variety reports that Seth Grahame-Smith has been signed on as a writer for DS.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021794.html?categoryId=13&cs=1 (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118021794.html?categoryId=13&cs=1)
One could take this as bad news, in that it sounds like a setback. But if the script really wasn't satisfactory, as it doesn't sound like it was, I think that it is good news that they are taking steps to overcome this obstacle. This writer is already signed on for "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter," so for better or worse, he's someone who likes doing vampire projects :)
Interestingly, the article says that Johnny is only attached as a producer at the moment. I still believe that he wants to portray Barnabas, so I am guessing that if his involvement as the star is not official, that's just a formality.
Now I'm really interested to hear what if anything will be said about Mr. Grahame-Smith at the Fest.
Cathy
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Sorry for the double post, but here is another article from deadline.com that claims the production will start in January.
http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/seth-grahame-smith-scripting-dark-shadows-as-tim-burton-pic-gets-closer-to-start-line-with-johnny-depp/ (http://www.deadline.com/2010/07/seth-grahame-smith-scripting-dark-shadows-as-tim-burton-pic-gets-closer-to-start-line-with-johnny-depp/)
That may be a little optimistic, but who knows? I'd be all for it if it's true!!
Cathy
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Very interesting news on a few fronts:
As I've stated before, I was never totally keen on John August writing the script for the Depp/DS film because, with the exception of his script for The Nines, his style doesn't seem suited for DS. Well, unless they planned to make the film more comedic than dramatic - and there have been hints of that - but I'm still hoping that in the end that won't be case.
On that front, I can't say the fact that Seth Grahame-Smith wrote Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter is all that encouraging. But my initial problem with that book was taking a renowned public figure and putting him in an outlandish setting. I've never read the book, so I have no idea if the situations in the book are treated dramatically or comedically. If it's the former and not necessarily the latter, it could be encouraging to have him on board. I'll have to go back and read some of the reviews. (I do seem to recall, though, that Entertainment Weekly said the book presented Lincoln 'through a cockeyed and ultimately foolish lens." Not exactly the way I would care to see Barnabas presented...)
On a totally different front, it's interesting that Variety mentions that DS is part of WB's plan to release 20 films in the IMAX format - but there's no mention of 3D...
And never worry about double posting whenever new info is being added to a topic. In fact, we should be thanking you for double posting. [ghost_wink] So, thank you. [ghost_smiley]
Now it's going to be very interesting to see what sort of news comes out at the Fest...
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I haven't read (nor do I really know anything about, other than recalling seeing the title here and there) the Abraham Lincoln book, so I don't really have feelings one way or the other on that. I might want to read it now, though ;) I don't think I'd have a problem with a public figure in an outlandish setting, as long as it was an intriguing and creative treatment (of course!) But I could also see how it could turn out dumb. And I really *don't* want DS to come off as dumb or buffoonish.
The main reason I apologized for the double post was the quick timing- it seemed as if no sooner had I posted here than I got a news alert with the other article, and I thought, darn, too bad I didn't see this first so I could post both pieces together. But the potential January start was certainly worth adding. For what it's worth, Comingsoon.net is now saying the same thing about January, though I would feel more convinced of that if that info had been included in Variety.
Cathy
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But I could also see how it could turn out dumb. And I really *don't* want DS to come off as dumb or buffoonish.
What I'm trying to hold onto is the strong likelihood that Burton wouldn't want to make two films so closely together that are too similar, so that would cause one to believe that he would want the Depp/DS film and the adaptation of AL:VH to be quite different from each other. If not, why even bother doing both?
I thought, darn, too bad I didn't see this first so I could post both pieces together.
No worries.
For what it's worth, Comingsoon.net is now saying the same thing about January, though I would feel more convinced of that if that info had been included in Variety.
Same here.
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Interestingly, the <Variety> article says that Johnny is only attached as a producer at the moment. I still believe that he wants to portray Barnabas, so I am guessing that if his involvement as the star is not official, that's just a formality.
The article does say, "... Johnny Depp attached to star and produce ..." (at least, that what it said as of a minute ago). Of course, it doesn't say that he is starring as Barnabas. Maybe he's going to star as Roger, or Willie, or (if Tim Burton really wants to go wild) Elizabeth.
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Kind of interesting that Tim Burton and company released this development one day before the DS Fest. Stole some of the thunder from the movie panel here at the Fest. Is this movie now considered greenlit by WB?
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The article does say, "... Johnny Depp attached to star and produce ..." (at least, that what it said as of a minute ago).
Apparently they've edited it because earlier it said "Depp is only set to produce at this point" - and that appeared in a lower paragraph. Now the phrase you've quoted appears in the first paragraph.
If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say someone in the know read the article and then fed them the correction. [ghost_wink]
They also added the bit about the IMAX releases taking place "over the next three and a half years through 2013."
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I've got the Abe Lincoln Vampire Hunter book, but have yet to read it. It's getting bumped up on my stack of books for sure now. I remember seeing an ad for it one day, and then the next my writing teacher came in with a copy of the ad proclaiming Can you believe this crap! and all I could think was, that looks totally awesome! Has anyone else read it? Or P&P&Z (which I also own but have yet to read).
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I've seen AL/VH at Costco but haven't picked it up. In the past, I've only read serious stuff on AL and hesitate to read something that might make the great man appear less than what he was. Maybe I'm too nervous to take a chance on it since there might be something unflattering revealed about him. However, I'm reading the Larsson trilogy at this time and may reconsider AL/VH when done with it.
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I just received an MPI mini-catalogue. The front cover says 'Revisit the Original Classic & Prepare for the Upcoming Dark Shadows Movie Starring Johnny Depp!'. I'd send a scan but I don't know how to insert it into a post. And by the way, all dvd collections are 40% off.
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I just received that mini catalogue too. Makes me wonder if they were planting red herrings about the delay of the movie for a big announcement at the fest.
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no major announcement was made tonight, no casting has been done other than depp playing barnabas. they did say something about the script. i think the same thing that has been reported here. they did show the brittish talk show with depp/burton as the guests.
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To expand on what Joe said Pierson said the following: the movie will most probably be filmed in 3 D; the new writer started working on the script 2 weeks ago; there have been informal discussions with actors but no official offer has been made and casting may start soon; no start date was mentioned.
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With no script, I doubt many actors would agree to appear. So, it seems like we're back to where we were back in December '07. Not that that's necessarily a bad thing. It all depends on how the script ultimately turns out...
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Many reports are claiming the Depp/DS film will be starting in January - but they all seem to be citing the deadline.com piece as their source - so who knows? Perhaps we'll get confirmed news at Comic-Con on the 24th. But I'm somehow doubting that as the same people involved with what was discussed at the Fest will be part of the Comic-Con panel.
Entertainment Weekly has also picked up the story:
'Pride and Prejudice and Zombies' author will write a 'Dark Shadows' remake for Johnny Depp and Tim Burton (http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/07/15/pride-and-prejudice-and-zombies-author-will-write-a-dark-shadows-remake-for-johnny-depp-and-tim-burton/).
Though I dreaded reading this bit of speculation: ...the vampire melodrama was played pretty straight. Between Burton, Depp, and Grahame-Smith, you have to figure that the movie version will lean in a slightly more absurdist direction. Just imagine what sort of exciting new accent Depp will invent to play lead vamp Barnabas Collins! Though I'm trying to hold onto the fact that it is just that - speculation...
And there's also this report:
Grahame-Smith Scripts Dark Shadows
Soap and Vampires and Zombies (http://www.empireonline.com/news/feed.asp?NID=28378).
And it makes a point of mentioning that Grahame-Smith is "best known now for his mega-selling one-joke literary pastiches." Not very encouraging. And it also mentions that he's co-created MTV's The Hard Times of RJ Berger. However, I know absolutely nothing about that show and the only significant thing I've discovered about it is that it appears to be a 'tween comedy, which doesn't exactly give any indication if Grahame-Smith can write anything but comedy...
John August is looking better and better in hindsight...
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the hard times of rj berger is a teenage version of the show "HUNG".
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Seems like we're not the only ones with fears about Grahame-Smith: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies Author to Write Dark Shadows Script (http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/48981831.html)
I'm trying to remain optimistic. After all, Gothic horror and humor can mix well if done correctly - just look at True Blood. Though Grahame-Smith would seem to be no Alan Ball & Co...
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I'm not particularly worried about this. He's being give a chance. I say--let us see what he comes up with.
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According to IMDb Dark Shadows now has a projected release date of 2013 just changed from 2011. I hope this is real wrong. I got the impression that WB was putting this DS movie on the fast track.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
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Maybe whoever changed it thinks it'll take two more years to get the script right. And given how long they worked on John August's script before presumably throwing it out, that might not be an unfair estimation...
Though they might have also picked it up from the recent Variety article even though all it says is that the Depp/DS film is part of the WB's IMAX package that's scheduled to be released through 2013 - not that it won't be released until 2013...
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actually i saw on "IMDB" not to long ago that the year was (2012) they have since upped it a year. so who knows?
"The Talisman" has been on it like forever. so has the 4th "Re-Animator" film & all i've ever heard about that film is that it's NOT getting made. so who knows ya know? my point is, i think it's just a guess cause just in case it takes that long for him to write the script. i do hope & pray that Johnny Depp who i've been a die hard fan of since "21 Jump Street" premiered in (1987) anyways i hope & Pray that if the film DOES get made. he doesn't play it weird like he did as Willy Wonka. but plays it straight. it wouldn't bother me if they made it into a horror/Drama/romance film. kinda how the original film is, at least somewhat. the 2nd one is anyways. anyways there's my 2 cents he he
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For what it's worth, the Dr. Who rumor is false
I love the following article that addresses this. And the point it makes is perfect, not only for this instance, but for every instance in which a false rumor is started and then takes on a complete life of its own. One wonders if the people who make up this stuff ever think about or even care about the fallout that comes after they've crafted their foolishness and sent it out into the world?
Davies: Johnny Depp Casting Report Is Utter Tosh (http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7648/davies-johnny-depp-casting-report-is-utter-tosh.html)
One also wonders how many false rumors we may have to deal with once the Depp/DS film actually gets going...
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Like I said before, they might as well drop both Depp and Burton and find somebody else to get this film going.
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ya know 1stly i've got to say this, i don't think "Charlie & The Chocolate Factory" was THAT BAD! i kinda like it actually. only bad things things about it. is how each kid cept or Charlie of course is a little Punk. to keep my language Clean. he he.
& i don't think they needed to add that info about Wonka's Childhood but i do LOVE that Christopher Lee is in the film. i'm NOT going to lie about that. he he. anyways, & the last thing i didn't like about it which i find the BIGGEST is that
Depp's Portrayal of Wonka was TERRIBLE! i think he went in the WRONG Direction. i read at the time he tests the way he goes with this or that character on his kids 1st. to see what kids would like. & i guess his kids Enjoy Michael Jackson's Music cause that's who it reminds me of. Michael Jackson.
those are my only Gripes with the film. other wise it's NOT that bad of a film. my point is i don't think people would make such a BIG deal about Tim Burton & Johnny Depp doing "Dark Shadows" the film had those complaints NEVER happend. while i don't think "Sleepy Hollow" is his best film a LOT of people LOVE IT! my only hope really is IF they DO, well DO the film is how is "Depp" who usually is pretty darn good at choosing on how to portray this or that Character cept For Wonka would be good at playing "Barnabas" as long as it's TRUE to the show & the character i can't wait to see it. & i think since Depp & i forget if "Burton" is a fan to be honest, anyways if they are true to the show i don't think it's going to be THAT bad. people will crab about whoever makes it anyways, because we are soo freaking used to the original show. which will ALWAYS be the best. people complain about the remake that came out in (1991) but i like it even if it has it's flaws. i thought Ben Cross did an Excellent Job with the role. given what material he was given. & i'd LOVE to see a Remake of the show. with Alec Newman in the role cause i LOVE his "Barnabas" in the "Big Finish" audio plays. but i'd love the original cast also to have roles in it as well. i'm sure they'd have fun with going back to the roles as well. or the show anyways, if they played different characters. it would be nothing new to them given how many characters they played in the original show anyways, but with this Vampire Craze that's going on. if they had the right cast & the right people & everything involved & it wasn't like the (2004) remake i think it would be great.
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Alec Newman is great, and has played several roles in the wonderful BF audios, it's Andrew Collins who plays Barnabas in the audios, and he's really great!
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oh i thought it was Alec Newman? i guess i was wrong! he he oh well anyways you are right though he's Great as Barnabas
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Alec Nemman played Barnabas in the WB's '04 DS pilot - and a fine Barnabas he was.
But getting back on topic, without Depp there wouldn't be a DS film being made because he owns the rights to make the film. ;) And Depp wants Burton to direct, so...
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well i hope the script at some point is avaliable online for people to read it. so we can let our minds rest easier than they are NOW! buut maybe it's a good sign that they got a NEW writer? i dunno i guess i'm just Choosing to think Postive rather than negative for a change. he he.
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I know a lot of people are not happy with the new script writer; however at this point I am just trying to trust Johnny Deep. Who know we may go through several scripts before the movie is filmed. This is the nature of Hollywood. I just to try relax, breathe and set back to watch it all unfold. Johnny is a fan and I am gonna try and put my faith in that!
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i agree, that's what i am trying to do as well. i am THRILLED that we have someone who wants to make the film WHO actually IS a fan of the show. unlike sometimes where people make films of their favorite tv shows or favorite books & don't do the film justice. & thankfully Johnny Depp grew up watching the show. i can't give you an answer on tim burton though. i'm curious if he's even SEEN the show or what he thought of it? i know they plan on doing the film together.
but to me it does seem like perfect fit. well more of a fit than say if 'David Fincher" directed it. only cause Burton has been doing Macabre. his entire life & actually i think that even if some people do LOVE the film, people will still hate it.
only cause like i said everyone here is so used to the original Cast that there will never be any real replacements for it. even if there are fans of the remakes they've already done. so that's my atitude & i am going to try my damdest to try & keep it like that.
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As far as I know Cousin B.Collins Tim Burton is a CONFIRMED fan! I appreciate your attitude as well because I had heard a lot of rumblings from DS friends on Facebook really downing the writer but I refuse to form an opinion (concerning his writing) until I see the movie or hear some of what the plot may be.
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thanxs you cousin, also i've never even HEARD of the guy before. the writer i mean, so i've never read any of his books or seen any of his movies if he's done film adaptation before i mean. i have no idea if he has or not.
People diss the "Lost In Space" film but i actually like it. only thing that i think they COULD have done is not cast "Gary Oldman" whom i am a fan of & have been for years. but in this instance he was miscast. but the film i enjoy. it's actually one of the 1st early dvd's i ever bought. so i have good memories towards that & the film as well.
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It's not simply the new writer on his own that's sparking fears. It's the type of stuff the new writer is known for, the remark made by Richard Zanuck that the previous script was "very funny," and remarks Burton has made (chiefly the ones on Late Night with Jonathan Ross), and Burton's often quirky take on things. All that combined together can lead one to believe that Burton is looking more toward doing a parody of DS rather than a straight dramatic/Gothic version. Though, of course, it's definitely not fair to judge or presume anything before we actually know what the take on DS actually will be. And I'm certainly trying my best to keep an open mind. But at the same time I can understand the fears many fans are experiencing at this juncture...
seen any of his movies if he's done film adaptation before i mean. i have no idea if he has or not.
As far as I could tell from his credits, he hasn't. Though that doesn't necessarily mean he's incapable of writing a great screenplay for the Depp/DS film. One can only hope that he is... (Though I do believe he's also adapting his own AL:VH for the screen. Though that's his own work, so it's very different than DS...)
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i agree 100% i Do have reservations but it's not against the writer, since i've never read or seen any of his material to see if he's any good? i honestly have no idea. i also didn't hear that the previous script was very funny. that's the 1st i've heard of that. well i guess if they choose a different writer hopefully he LEAST knows what "DS" is & what type of show it was. & is.
i also hope he's a fan as well. cause i think Fans of this or that show tend to do a better job than if they aren't. anyways people also say the same thing about books that get made into films. they expect EVERYTHING to be in it. well some do anyways. such as "The Dark Tower" series buy "Stephen King" personally i'd love to see that either as a film. or a tv series for HBO. that'd i think would be Perfect for the format. maybe a guy like Alan Ball for that one. anyways, that's for another thread. my points that's also why i have this atitude. i worry like everyone else does about how DS is going to make it in a film. to bad "Dan Curtis" has since passed away cause than he'd ease our minds. i just hope the film doesn't come out in (2013) as the latest news says. that's a bit too far ahead for them to do that. i don't think i can wait THAT Long for them to release the original films on dvd or blue-ray. it also wouldn't surprise me if MPI did a re-issue of the tv series during that time. when it's in theatres. that i can understand why they'd do that. but i am THRILLED that the Entire show is on dvd. & that they finished releasing it before all this was announced. ya know?
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to bad "Dan Curtis" has since passed away cause than he'd ease our minds.
That wouldn't ease my mind. True - I'd know the film wouldn't be a parody, and that would be a relief. [whew] But if DC were fully in charge, I'd also be pretty certain that what it would be would be the umpteenth remake of hoDS - and I sure as hell wouldn't want to see that either. [nodno] I'm hoping for a fresh take on things, but also something that resembles the dramatic/Gothic aspects of DS that we know and love. :)
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Let's face it. We dodged a bullet. It seemed that Tim Burton just didn't like John August's script and the various re-writes. There may have been a point where Tim and company would have passed on this project based on an unsuitable script. It seems that TB grew so tired of August's script that he entertained a pitch from writer Seth Grahame-Smith and liked his version of what the new DS movie should be. At least we know that this movie will not be "very funny" if the previous script was rejected.
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i agree Jimbo. i also don't want another remake but a NEW film. the ONLY thing i really honestly expect to be the same, & i'll be SHOCKED if it's not in it. is the start of the film. where Barnabas is Released in short the introduction of Barnabas. the rest after that i think SHOULD be Original. it won't honestly bother me if Willie isn't the one who finds him.
it also won't bother me if he isn't his slave in it. since i prefer him when he's not his slave anyways. but those are things i can live with ya know? it'd also be cool if they Could film it at the original Estate like the show did. i know the show was filmed in New York. but i'm referring to the interior when they went to Lyndhurst. isn't it called? if they are able to film inside that
than i think that'd be great.
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Hi B.Collins It's been stated by one of the DS producers that the movie will be filmed at Pinewood Studios in London. So it seems filming in the US is out unless things change. Unfortunately, we don't have any input on how and where the movie should be filmed. We have no idea if the new writer is going to shake things up but I expect he will for good or bad. I am hoping it will be filmed on the serious side. We don't know why TB did not like August's script or what he liked about the new writer's ideas. Let's hope that the script is a real good one because I don't think TB and JD are going to wait forever to get the right script. They both have many projects on their respective plates.
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It seems that TB grew so tired of August's script that he entertained a pitch from writer Seth Grahame-Smith and liked his version of what the new DS movie should be. At least we know that this movie will not be "very funny" if the previous script was rejected.
Well, I don't know if we can necessarily say that. From the reports I've seen, after reading Grahame-Smith's Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, it was Burton who decided Grahame-Smith was the guy to write the Depp/DS film and Burton approached him. Though it's still not clear what it was about the book that made Burton make that decision. Was it the vampire story, or the humor in it - or possibly even both? And have you seen some of the reviews of that book? Some critics really hate both the story and the humor of it. (A few pages back I referenced what EW had to say about the book.) But the one review I'm trying to hold onto is the following one (but only because it's from www.vampires.com - and I'm hoping they *might* be a good judge of what makes good vampire fiction - but who knows?):
Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter Review (http://www.vampires.com/abraham-lincoln-vampire-hunter-review/)
As I've said, I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I won't really feel completely comfortable until some DS fan whose opinion I trust reads the book and also thinks Grahame-Smith could be capable of coming up with a great script...
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MY best Dark Shadows friend (whom I have known for 20 years) loves the book but of course that I guess doesn't help you MB! [ghost_nowink] She is gonna send it to me. I will let you know what I think!
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I'll be looking forward to seeing what you have to say. [ghost_smiley]
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As I've said, I'm trying to keep an open mind, but I won't really feel completely comfortable until some DS fan whose opinion I trust reads the book and also thinks Grahame-Smith could be capable of coming up with a great script...
Before Grahame-Smith was attached to the DS film, David Selby was asked to write a piece about the book based on his own interest in/writing on Lincoln and I assume also his association with the horror genre through DS. Unfortunately, I don't have the specifics on when and where it will appear.
FWIW, I kind of liked the book, but
[spoiler]I am also a bit uncomfortable with S-G's need to try to make slavery worse somehow for the purposes of his story. The reality was bad enough.[/spoiler]
The premise of the book seems over the top, but he approaches it very seriously, and, when you think about it, isn't that DS in a nutshell?
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FWIW, I kind of liked the book
Coming from you, it's worth a lot. [ghost_smiley]
The premise of the book seems over the top, but he approaches it very seriously, and, when you think about it, isn't that DS in a nutshell?
That eases my mind immensely - particularly the "very seriously" description. [ghost_wink] Thanks. After reading some of the reviews, I had no idea what to think...
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An interesting exchange on the Robert Pattinson Life (http://robpattinson.blogspot.com/2010/07/rob-talks-about-action-scenes-producing.html) fan site about Johnny Depp usurping Pattinson's Edward as the #1 vampire once the Depp/DS film comes out.
Start reading the second post that begins:
Iluvthemovies said...
I find the interviewer so cute. ITA that this is one of Robert's better interviews. Robert, people are not crazy for reading or watching anything vampire related, I am one of those people. I started at a young age when I use to watch a daytime soap opera with my mother called "Dark Shadows". I don't know...
And continue reading through the fourth post.
And, no - I don't frequent this site. The only reason I'm aware of this exchange is because I received an e-mail alert about DS being mentioned there. Though there's certainly nothing wrong with frequenting the site. [ghost_smiley] But there are barely enough hours in the day for me to keep up with this forum, much less regularly read other forums/blogs. [ghost_wink]
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well if people here liked his book than that also eases my mind as well. it also has eased my mind a LOT upon reading a little bit more about this guys book. & hearing people like it i mean. so in short who knows? ya know?
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The premise of the book seems over the top, but he approaches it very seriously, and, when you think about it, isn't that DS in a nutshell?
I didn't know what to expect either but found myself admiring Grahame-Smith as a storyteller. There were a lot of I-did-not-see-that-coming moments. Unfortunately, his writing style-- specifically, the sentence fragments-- annoyed the hell out of me, and it didn't help that Lincoln's journal was full of them too. That's probably just my neurosis caused by demonic nuns who demanded complete sentences. But that wouldn't be an issue in a screenplay, so I was not unhappy to hear he'd signed on to write the movie.
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neurosis caused by demonic nuns
Neuroses caused by demonic nuns? I bet a lot of us can relate to that. [ghost_wink]
But getting back on topic, it's great to have another affirmation that he could do a good job. [ghost_smiley]
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Demonic nuns!? ROFLMAO That sounds like something Buffy would say! [ghost_wink]
I read the book in three days after my friend sent it to me and I enjoyed it immensely! I am a true DS fan through and through and I can totally see him writing the movie with a nice fresh approach. I hope that gives you some more hope MB! [ghost_smiley]
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Definitely. [ghost_wink]
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I just watched Alice In Wonderland and I am even more convinced that Burton/Depp Shadows will be outstanding!
Yay! This is my 2100 post! I cannot wait to become a GOD!
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i actually have that on Blue-Ray but i have yet to get around to actually watch it. i've been too busy working, & when i'm at home watching "DS"! [ghost_tongue2]
& Congrats on your 21000 post! i've still got a LOOOONG way to go until i become a GOD! he he
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A friend of mine said he heard the Depp DS project is no more, anyone know any more about this??
No offense to your friend, but he probably read one or more of the ridiculous reports that were posted on a few Web sites a few weeks ago. It all started with a misleading report in Entertainment Weekly
Hmm - it may take years, but apparently Entertainment Weekly does indeed own up to their mistakes. In next week's double issue (August 20/27, 2010) a section entitled "Our Best and Worst Predictions" appears - and in the "Way Off" section they list this gem:
Titanic
When the film got pushed back from a summer release in 1997, we thought it might be in trouble. "Sink: James Cameron," we wrote. "At least his reputation."
Sound somewhat reminiscent of an EW article from the October 10, 2008 issue? And the inherent danger of mixing fact and editorializing too closely is that your readership often has a hard time separating the two. It shouldn't be mixed that closely as often as it is - but then, some writers wouldn't know how to write a straight fact piece, one completely devoid of their own opinions, if their lives depended on it. [ghost_rolleyes] Reporting just the facts is a dying art form - one that's slipping farther away every day and dangerously close to having the life support plug pulled...
It would be fascinating to go back to '97 to see if what was written in that EW article about Titanic/Cameron was suddenly spread all over the Internet as if it was complete fact, as their misleading '08 reporting on the Depp/DS film was. Though somehow I suspect it probably wasn't because things weren't anywhere near as bad back then as they are today, what with so many entertainment sites falling all over themselves to report what supposedly qualifies as news but which all too often actually has no substance in fact...
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thanxs for the news man. & i also find it funny how EW predicted all that WRONG! [ghost_tongue2]
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The writer of this article says that Seth is reworking John August's script. Does this mean that Seth is not writing from scratch a new DS movie script? I don't know much about script writing but there is a difference between reworking a script and writing a totally new one?
http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2010/08/17/sexy_vampires_from_rolling_stones_true_blood_cover_to_burtons_dark_shadows/
I hope EW is very fair to the DS movie.
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Interesting since earlier reports made it appear as if Grahame-Smith was starting over from scratch. And there's that January start date again - though, again, the only source saying so would seem to be the deadline.com report (and it's anyone's guess where deadline.com got it because they don't cite a source). But one can only hope...
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It did appear for sure in the earlier reports that Grahame-Smith was hired to write a new script. I believe I read in some of the articles that Seth had replaced John August as the movie's screenwriter. Since as you say there are no sited sources, I have to leave open that John August will be a co-writer of the DS movie script unless we hear otherwise from confirmed sources. In either event January is not that far away.
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Someone recently uploaded a clip of Jim Pierson discussing the upcoming movie at Comic Con:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vStVOfsJIK8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vStVOfsJIK8)
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Thanks for the link, Sara. [ghost_smiley]
Should we be surprised that Pierson mentions DC more than he does Depp and Burton? Uh, no. But one DC-related remark definitely caught my ear and that was that everyone involved with the film is committed to making a film that DC would be proud of. And say what you will about DC (and we certainly have) but he would not like a film that makes fun of DS - so hopefully that means that any idea that the film will parody DS can be tossed out the window with a great deal of relief. Hopefully, anyway...
I also loved how, after KLS asked if Pierson knows the direction the storyline is going to go, he said it's under wraps (well. DUH!) but it's something that everyone is going to enjoy. From his mouth to you know who's ears! [ghost_grin]
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Thanks Sara too!
Gee all we got at the Dark Shadows Festival this year was JP speaking from the podium again for a minute.
I also liked KLS attempting to put JP on the spot even though she knew he wouldn't be responsive to her question especially in light of the fact the new script is still being written. It was a question that needed to be asked at a DS panel. Well we are five months away from the projected start of the movie's filming we hope. I hope DC would have been proud of this movie.
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I see where IMDb.com has revamped their site. Now there's even less info for the Depp/DS film's listing than there ever was and, in fact, DS isn't even listed as one of Depp's projects - yet the upcoming Batman sequel is. How insane is that? :-\ A movie Depp will be doing isn't listed - one for which there have been repeated denials of his involvement is. ::) Although, what's even better is that James Franco is also listed for the Batman sequel as being rumored for the exact same role as Depp. [scratch]
Who is handling those new listings? And why do I suspect they just may be the tip of the new IMDb insanity iceberg? [crazd]
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I don't what is going on or who is handling these production listings. The NY Times recently removed Johnny Depp's name from the credits and ScreenDaily also recently and completely removed the Dark Shadows movie from its website production listings. It seems everything is a go so right now I am not that concerned but it would be nice to have some assurances.
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Oh I know we have no idea who's handling those listings on the IMDb. I posed it more as a rhetorical question - as in, given the extremely strange state of what's there, "What sort of fools are handling things now?!" [wink2]
One can only hope IMDbPro isn't as bad because people actually have to pay for that service...
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I was merely asking the same question you were but I didn't state it clearly-can't think today. lol It has been real silent lately. I did read on Twitter that the Pirates movie finished its night shooting at Universal. I think they will be finishing up the movie in London. So hopefully we will be hearing something soon about JD's next project. Who knows what is going on with TB and his many active projects.
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Maybe we should all join in a collective eye roll for the IMDb. ;) The longer it's around, the more questionable some of the things it lists seem to become. ::)
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My eyes are rolling for sure. I'm in.
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so am i. i just looked at Depp's page & "DS" is still on it. they may have took it down & put it back up. has anyone heard
anything casting wise? or is this just me? i'm not a member of "IMDB Pro. i'd love to be but the prices are terrible. & if they
lowered it than would i be in? hell yeah! than i could report what's said about the "DS" project. [ghost_tongue2] if anything is there to report that is. [ghost_cheesy]
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B.Collins I have a feeling we will learn developments elsewhere before it is posted at that website. I don't think there is any news there as we speak. It certainly is expensive.
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i think you are right man. i was just thinking theoritally. & sorry about my bad spelling, but ya know what i meant i'm sure.
he he. anyways man. i do find it funny that that we haven't heard any word on casting other than Johnny Depp. no rumors anyways, not like when the Pilot was going to happen we heard rumors left & right. & it's actually surprising that we haven't heard as much news or rumors about the film as we have other hollywood films. ya know? i hope Christopher Lee gets to be in it. but i doubt it cause his schedule i'm sure is pretty full by the looks of it.
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As for the upcoming Tim Burton film, it's quite odd that no other casting announcements have been made.
I was discussing the posibilities with a co-worker a while back.
Juliet Landau would be my 1st choice for Dr. Julia Hoffman.
And Canadian actress Kristen Kreuk(Smallville) to play Victoria Winters/Josette Du Pres.
Do you guys have any other casting ideas?
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As for the upcoming Tim Burton film, it's quite odd that no other casting announcements have been made.
I find that rather odd myself, with the film supposedly going into production in January, just four months from now. There's been oodles of casting spec on the various DS messageboards/fansites, but not an inkling of who might actually be in the running for any of the roles. Is it standard procedure not to release any info about casting before they actually begin filming?
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Remember, we've had no actual confirmation that the film will go into production in January - only deadline.com's report and others that have picked up their info directly from it - and we have no idea how reliable deadline.com's report is. There's been no corroborating announcement in the industry trades, or from the producers, or from Depp, or from fandom sources like SG. Plus the script is supposedly still being written, and as I mentioned before, not many actors are willing to sign on to a project without first seeing a script - not even when it's a Burton/Depp project.
It would be great if there really is a planned start date for January. But until there's some reliable source that says as much, it might be wise to take deadline.com's report with a grain of salt...
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January huh, that's not very far off with October almost here.
Burton is either keeping his casting choices close to the vest,with announcements soon to come.
or
Dude is cutting it mighty close.
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Even though it seems January is really close, it's still far enough away that it's possible that actors haven't yet been chosen, or contracts still have to be signed, for many lead roles. It's not unheard of to sign up an actor the day before principal photography starts.
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I'd still like to see Anne Hathaway as Victoria even though she cut her short. The more things I read about Depp the less likely I see DS being done. Its depressing [ghost_sad]. I'm making a vow now to not worry about it and be happy. I've ordered the new JF audio and looking forward to listening to it [ghost_smiley]
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I'm trying to keep an open mind about whether or not the film will actually be made. My one hope is that if it is, we don't get another rehash of Barnabas' search for Josette through Maggie (or Victoria). We already saw that redone in House of Dark Shadows and the 1991 TV revival. Not saying that shouldn't be part of the story--of course it should--but there were so many other elements and fine characterizations to DS, that it would be a shame if they focused on just that again.
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well said i agree, it kinda gets old seeing the same story keep getting repeated when they did sooooo many of them on the show.
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I don't see how a rehash is to be avoided. Johnny Depp is to play Barnabas, and undoubtedly Barnabas is to be the central character of the movie. Barnabas is a vampire, and undoubtedly the fact that he is a vampire is to be a focus of the movie. Given these facts, the only alternative to a rehash, as far as I can tell, would be to make up a completely new backstory for Barnabas.
And I don't think a rehash would be necessarily bad. A lot of Dark Shadows is the rehashing of old stories, and yet we still love it. A good writer could take the Barnabas/Josette/Maggie/Vicky story, find hitherto unexplored facets to it, and make it shine like new.
PS: emeraldeyesonly, whether or not I agree with you, I'm still glad you're posting!
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oh i know that. but if done right, the writing could add a new twist to it. it wouldn't surprise me if they did flashbacks in it as well. he did in "Charlie & The Choloclate Factory" well by that i mean "Tim Burton" i of course would LOVE to see "Christopher Lee" in it. i dunno who he would play though.
but than to be honest, i'd love to see that man in any film. [ghost_cheesy] even if his character wasn't really needed in the "Willy Wonka" remake i still loved him in it. [ghost_grin]. see to me if they do a rehash if done right, they should change it a bit. but in a good way. & don't let the film be no 90 minutes either. that's just far too short if ya ask me. but "Anne Hathway" would be a good A"Vicki Winters" this is the type of film that it breaks my heart that the greats are now passed on such as
"John Carradine' could have played the caretaker. Vincent Price" i dunno & fit Peter Cushing in that as well. man that's a dream cast. in the right roles of course. i also think that if John Carradine was still alive. his career would have gotten better than it was in his last years of his life. had Charles Band used him more often than he did. which is just once.
i'm sorry i'm just day dreaming thinking about films if it was still the 70's that cast would prolly happen.
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Still hopeful this will get made and be good.
Barnabas will need a love intrest, so it's inevitable that there will be a love story with Josette/Maggie/Vicky in some variation. Just hope they'll find a fresh angle.
It occured to me tonight if this does get made there will be tons of merchandising. DS swag yay! Maybe a DS video game dare we hope, and more DS stuff based on the original and Revival will surely be put out. Surely at that point the House and Night movies will get restored and finally get a dvd/blu ray release, and maybe the Revival series dvd set will FINALLY be done right, with the extened scenes and all the wonky technical problems corrected.
Should help sales of the DS audios and maybe we can get more novels too.
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ya right, i also NEVER did think about that either. a DS game HELL YEAH! i'd LOVE to see that. just as long as we can get it on all the systems. such as the "DS" & the "PS2" cause i don't have any of the other systems. & it also wouldn't surprise me if they re-issued the dvd's of the original show either.
honestly i never did think of all the merchandise we will get. i don't think anyone here has either. cause ya are the 1st poster i've seen that has brought it up. damn i hope this film actually gets made.
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I'm dying for casting news. I've been thinking that Zachery Quinto, who was really good as Spock on the new Star Trek movie, and Sylar on Heroes. He's shown all kinds of range, he can do sweet, vulnderable, evil, crazy, scary, repressed, etc. Really, with his looks and acting he's my first choice to play Barnabas. I feel kinda guilty to say that because I think we're lucky to have a talented and popular actor like Depp lined up to play Barnabas.
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i think Zachary Q. or however ya spell his last name. is a damn fine actor as well. i agree he SHOULD be part of "D.S." but the thing is, i can' t see him play the part of " Barnabas" i'm sorry i just can't. another role yes i can see that. i honestly don't know who though. maybe Peter Bradford if they use that character? or i dunno maybe Professor Stokes?
to be honest i haven't really given it much though. but he would be GREAT to have in the film. in my eyes the right people just seem to be working on it at the moment. cause Tim Burton has i dunno the right persona for it. he's got this Gothic Personality kinda like "Grayson Hall" in real life they say did. but are also both very nice people in real life. or so i've read.
there really hasn't been that many of his films i haven't liked. i did enjoy the "Willy Wonka" remake i'd say what it's flaws were but i believe i've already have here. he he. some people say he's lost his touch, but i honestly dunno if he has, &
that i have thought about. but i also haven't seen all of his movies either. so i can't really comment on them until i watch all of them. i have yet to watch 'Alice In Wonderland" & i bought the Blue-Ray back in June for it. i just haven't gotten
around to watch it to be honest. & from the roles i have seen "Johny Depp" play & there's many i've been a fan of his since (1987) when "21 Jump Street" 1st came out. & i also recall being pissed off when he left the show in (1990) when his movie Career took off. with "Edward Scissorhands" i recall thinking what the hell kind of role did he take on?
cause he hadn't done anything like that at the time before. now it's standard for him to play every kind of role there is.
but back than & for many years really i was like HUH? the show was really never the same after he left it. unfortunally.
anyways, since he has the ability to play any role which NOT all actors or actresses in any decade since they 1st started doing movies in (1894) i believe when the 1st film with sound i think was of someone Sneezing or that may have been in (1896) in either case (1894) is when they 1st started making films in some way. anyways, my point is of all the actors &
actress's going back to when the 1st came out that had story. not many of them have the abilty to play any character like Johnny Depp has. Lon Chaney Sr. had it. so did Boris Karloff. all actors who did every genere there. so that's why i can see Johnny Depp play "Barnabas' & sorry about my ramblings on as well he he.
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I have two ideas for potential cast members...
As a matron role (Elizabeth Stoddard, Naomi Collins, etc), I name Maggie Smith (most recently McGonagall from Harry Potter)
And as either Roger or Joshua, I propose Sean Connery.
Any takers here?
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They're both wonderful actors, and both decades too old for the roles, alas.
If I were casting it, I would try to find out what Alice Krige is up to these days for Elizabeth. I think she's too old now for Julia and in any event I am 99 percent certain that that role is going to go to Madam Helena Bonham Carter-Burton...
G.
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Helena Bonham Carter as Julia? I've wondered about that myself. She's too old now for Josette/Maggie/Vicki.
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Liz/Naomi will have to be the right age to be the mother of Barnabas and/or Carolyn. I'd like to see one of the DS ladies in that role, Kathryn Leigh Scott or Nancy Barrett preferably.
I could get on borad with HBC as Julia, but my first choice is Susan Sarandon. She's a lot older than Grayson was, but she still looks right for the part and can play the emotions of the role.
I think Depp would be better as Quentin in a sequel.
I think David Hyde-Pierce, I think that's his name, who played Frasier's brother would make a great Roger, he looks right, and he could play the effete snobbishness of Roger very well, and still do the surprisingly tender moments that Roger could do when need be. I wonder if they would actually make Roger gay in the movie? I alwasy thought Roger came off as repressed gay, with his intense issues with Burke, I alwasy thought he only wanted Laura just because she was Burke's, and Angelique had to use mind control to get him and keep his intrest. An openly gay Roger, with David being born from a brief failed marriage, would be an interesting update.
I've had a list in my head for a long time for casting,but as time goes on I have to change it as some actors are no longer the right age. I used to think that Sarah Michelle Geller would be a great Carolyn, but is probably a little too old now.
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Right now I'm too lazy to look for the article/link, but when asked back in March (while doing publicity for Alice in Wonderland) if she was going to be in the Depp/DS film, didn't Helena Bonham-Carter say that though she and Tim Burton hadn't even discussed the possibly, she presumed that she wouldn't be in it? Though, of course, that's not a definite no.
The link to the article was posted by jimbo...
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I used to think that Sarah Michelle Geller would be a great Carolyn, but is probably a little too old now.
Yes, she's definitely too old for the role.
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Yes Helena did say she wouldn't probably been in DS which is fine by me. She is a wonderful actress but I am simply tired of the Johnny, Helena and Tim Triad.
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If I were casting it, I would try to find out what Alice Krige is up to these days for Elizabeth.
Alice Krige is a great choice to play Elizabeth, Quinto would be good as Willie Loomis IMHO.
As for Julia, my pick is still Juliet Landau, think she would be perfect for the role.
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I do really like Alice Krige, I think she'd be better as Julia/Natalie than Liz/Naomi, but I wouldn't object to her in either part.
I love Juliet Landeau, I'd love to see her in some part. She'd make a very interesting Julia, not sure if she's old enough to be Josette's aunt Natalie if tptb have her in that role too. She may be older than I think, and Natalie could always be a young aunt, closer in age to Josette than Andre. It would hardly be the strangest family relationship in DS.
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I believe Juliet Landau is in her mid/late 30's.
She reminds me of both Grayson Hall and Barbara Steele, can so picture her walking the halls of Collingwood.
Being Barnabas's confidante and doctor.
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I love Juliet Landau. She would be great. She is an amazing actress! Juliet is Grayson's age now. She is currently 45 according to IMDB.com!
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New article states that DS is suppose to start filming in February and that this movie is a priority to Depp. We shall see since there are other movies Depp will be filming next year.
http://www.deadline.com/2010/10/johnny-depp-in-triple-frontier-talks-with-paramount-pictures-and-kathryn-bigelow/
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Thanks so much for the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
Interesting that the report says Burton "likes" Grahame-Smith's script. And also that now the film will begin in February. Both are great news - if true. But I'd feel a lot more confident about all that if the article cited at least one source for these things. But then, this is deadline.com, the same site that said the film would begin shooting in January but never bothered to cite any sources for that claim either. [ghost_undecided]
But I'll certainly be keeping my fingers crossed that the report is accurate...
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MB that is very big news that Burton seems to have approved the script which was a major obstacle to the film being made. I guess we will learn more within the next two weeks. I am hoping that we won't have to wait to 2013 to see this movie.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/112/1126279p1.html
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Then we should soon get some casting announcements.
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IF deadline.com's report is accurate, then in the next several months we should definitely be learning some casting news...
But I'll feel a lot more confident that that might be the case when/if we get some confirmed news from some official source like the industry trades, or from the producers, or from Depp or Burton, or from a fandom source like SG.
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Oh let it be true... oh pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease...
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Slightly related news, as it involves Johnny Depp, who is currently filming Pirates 4:
Johnny Depp pays surprise visit to London primary school dressed as Jack Sparrow after letter from girl, 9
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1318516/Johnny-Depps-surprise-visit-London-primary-school-Captain-Jack-Sparrow.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1318516/Johnny-Depps-surprise-visit-London-primary-school-Captain-Jack-Sparrow.html)
Gotta love this man! [ghost_happy]
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Love the Willie as Jack Sparrow avatar, Sara! [lghy]
As for Depp, he definitely has a big heart....
Hmmm - I wonder if after the film is released we could get a 9-year-old to write Depp to get him to appear somewhere as Barnabas? [wink2]
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Don't think this one has been posted before (you'll have to forgive me I'm wrong):
Johnny Depp's Dark Shadows to Start Filming in February 2011
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=23619 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=23619)
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Thanks for the link, Sara. [hall2_smiley]
One has to wonder if this is an accurate synopsis of the script or simply one assumed by the site based on the original series?
"In Dark Shadows, Depp will play 175-year-old vampire Barnabas Collins, sealed in his coffin by his father in 1795 and inadvertently unleashed in the present where he must adjust to an entirely new world while passing himself off to relatives in Collinwood, Maine as a cousin from England. "
The flashback trailers are really well done - though I honestly do think the 1790 trailer for the '91 series is put together better.
And haven't we seen that drawing of Depp as Barn before? It looks awfully familiar...
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And haven't we seen that drawing of Depp as Barn before? It looks awfully familiar...
It's very similar to a color drawing posted on page 70 that appeared in Film Fantasy:
...scan from the magazine (it's from one of its collector's editions called "Life Story")...
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Thanks, Midnite. [hall2_smiley]
Wow - it's as if someone, perhaps even the actual artist, took the B&W version and photoshopped in the red highlights and photoshopped out the few wisps of hair across the forehead. Other than those things, the two drawings seem identical.
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There were several articles posted on the internet today regarding the movie but no real updates. Here is one of them.
http://www.examiner.com/pop-culture-in-houston/will-johnny-depp-eclipse-robert-pattinson-as-worlds-most-popular-vampire
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The article poses an interesting question. And considering that this week's Entertainment Weekly places Depp as #1 on its Most Powerful Entertainers list, almost anything is posible...
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Here's another link to Depp's Dark Shadows, looks like shooting will be starting in February:
http://movies.ign.com/articles/112/1126279p1.html
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Thursday's early morning NBC news had a headline about what Johnyy Depp would be doing after the Pirates movie, so I made sure to be listening to the entertainment section. When she started by saying "remake," I was expecting Dark Shadows, but instead she said the "private detective classic 'The Thin Man.'" So, I don't know if that's to be between Pirates and DS, after DS, instead of DS or what!
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Depp's The Thin Man remake is only in the earliest stages of development. Several reports have said that they haven't even picked a screenwriter yet. [hall2_smiley]
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Had no idea The Thin Man was being remade, will Burton direct this as well?
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More importantly for the Thin Man series... Who will play the dog??
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The NY Times updated its DS movie site to reflect that Burton's wife will be playing Dr. Julia Hoffman. I have no idea if this is correct or what its source of information is but this was updated today I believe as it wasn't there a couple of days ago when I last checked.
http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/451864/Dark-Shadows/details
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Interesting. And it could simply be an assumption on their part. Though one does wonder why they would have waited so long to post it if it's just an assumption? [hall2_undecided]
Even though Helena Bonham-Carter didn't think she'd be in the film, many fans suspected long ago that she could easily be cast as Julia. And there's always the fact that before a few weeks back there wasn't even an approved script. So, Burton may have not seen her in the role earlier but something about the script made him want her for the part. Or if she's read the script, something about the role may have appealed to her.
I suppose that before too long we'll officially find out whether or not she's been cast...
Thanks for the update, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
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Had no idea The Thin Man was being remade, will Burton direct this as well?
The report is that Johnny would like The Thin Man to be directed by Rob Marshall, who is currently directing Pirates 4 (he also directed Nine). As MB says, I think this one is only in its earliest stages- they don't even have a scriptwriter for it yet- so it will be several years off.
Hmm, hadn't heard a peep about Helena as Dr. Hoffman. For now, I'm going to assume that it's just speculation until/unless I hear it from Helena, Tim, or Johnny. I'm dying for possible cast news, though [hall2_grin]
Edited to add- just had a thought as I was posting... Helena may be doing interviews soon for Harry Potter, since that is coming out soon, so it'd be interesting if she might say something at that time.
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As reported by Zap2it.com (http://blog.zap2it.com/thedishrag/2010/10/batman-3-title-revealed-hobbit-stays-put.html) today:
"Christopher Nolan's third Batman film is titled "The Dark Knight Rises." As far as who the main villain will be, it's NOT the Riddler."
Gee, I wonder how many of the sites that continued to insist on reporting all the erroneous info that was going around a couple years back, even though WB, Nolan, Depp and who knows who else said it was completely fictitious will now be posting retractions and admitting they were duped. My guess - none. [hall2_rolleyes] But once again, it's just more proof that you can't always trust what you read on so many of those less than reputable Internet entertainment sites.
All this leads back to why I'm still a bit unsure as to whether we can completely count on an actual start time of February for the Depp/DS film. Like I've said, we have no way of knowing where deadline.com got that info because they didn't cite a source - and nearly every other site that's posted similar reports has cited deadline.com as their source. I just wish some sort of official announcement would be released. But in the three weeks since deadline's report we've gotten exactly nothing official, just as we got nothing official after they claimed back in July that the film was supposed to start in January...
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I don't think I'll believe the Feb. start totally until it's reported in Variety or Hollywood Reporter, or comes from Johnny's or Tim's mouth. That said, Nicki Finke, who runs deadline.com, is usually pretty accurate, and she has connections and gets a lot of inside info.
In other words, Variety>>deadline.com>>Entertainment Weekly>>blogs or gossip mags.
keeping' my fingers crossed...
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That said, Nicki Finke, who runs deadline.com, is usually pretty accurate, and she has connections and gets a lot of inside info.
I'm not really that familiar with deadline.com, so it's nice to hear the opinion of someone who is - and it's even nicer to hear that their info is pretty accurate. I'd still wish that they'd cite sources. But then, if a source is, say, an intern in a production company and not an actual producer, star, or even press representative, then it's fairly obvious why they're not cited as a source. And even though that wouldn't necessarily make their info any less accurate, like you -
I don't think I'll believe the Feb. start totally until it's reported in Variety or Hollywood Reporter, or comes from Johnny's or Tim's mouth.
- I'll be much more willing to believe when something/someone like one of those sources says it's so.
keeping' my fingers crossed...
You and me both. [hall2_smiley] And if the February start is accurate, it's not like it should be months and months before it's announced. The film industry is hardly one where films with major stars like Depp are made in secret. [hall2_wink] (But the longer that goes by without an announcement, the less likely it is. Though the time for firm doubts has certainly yet to arrive...)
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Judging by today's article it seems no one really knows what is happening with the DS movie and it is unebelievably frustrating. I thought the new script had been turned in and approved by Burton. I also wish we hear something from a reliable source.
http://movies.ign.com/articles/113/1131064p1.html
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Thanks for the link, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
I'm not sure if we can go so far as to say no one knows - though one thing we can say with assurance is that the reports from deadline.com and ign.com certainly conflict with each other. [hall2_rolleyes] But which is right, if even either one, is anyone's guess. [hdscrt] One says Burton likes the script - the other says he's still waiting for it. One says the Depp/DS film will begin in February - the other says Burton hasn't even decided whether he'll do the Depp/DS film or Monsterpocolapse next. One doesn't list any sources - the other simply says things like "is said" and "they claim" and that's on a par with not citing any sources, so in that case it'a draw. But just who are these people saying and claiming? And how close to either of Burton's projects are they really? For all any of us knows, they could be people who really have no idea what they're saying and claiming who are merely speculating without any real knowledge. It you can believe what you read, such speculation goes on at every cocktail party, in every restaurant, and anywhere else that two or more industry types are present. But we can't always believe what we read, which is why I'm always saying that we should take so much of what's on these sites with a grain of salt. (And not that we can say with assurance that once again they're repeating info that's highly questionable, but ign.com was one of the many sites that continued to report Depp was going to play the Riddler in the third Batman movie even after denial after denial had come out. [hall2_undecided] But to complicate matters even further, that doesn't mean that 99.9% of the other reports they'd posted at the time weren't completely accurate.)
What will be interesting to see is how many other sites pick up ign.com's report and run with it...
wish we hear something from a reliable source.
Indeed! And if only...
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MB you are right. We should take these websites' reports with a grain of salt. I'm also with you and Madscntst and hoping that we can obtain information from a very reliable source like Variety. I would assume by now if DS is shooting this February that the employees at Pinewood Studios know what is going on with the DS project. I am very tired not hearing any definitive DS news and have to read articles like this http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/exclusive-johnny-depp-has-been-offered-date-snow-white-22090 where Depp may start filming Snow White and the Huntsman this January. I am tired of all the speculation surrounding the DS project. Let's hope we hear some positive confirmed DS news now!
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Now it will be filmed in April ?????????. Here we go again. Whatever.
http://www.deadline.com/2010/11/exclusive-johnny-depp-to-start-dark-shadows-in-april-with-tim-burton-directing/
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The interesting thing about these deadline.com reports is that they really do make it seem as if they have someone in the know, possibly even involved with the film, feeding them their info. Speculative reports don't say things like "but today was pushed back to April" - phrases like that are very specific. I still wish they'd say who is feeding them their info (but apparently their source prefers to remain anonymous...). But I will say that this report gives me more confidence that deadline.com quite possibly does know what they're talking about.
One thing that's interesting about the ign.com report of last week is that when last I noticed on Sunday only two other sites had run with ign.com's info. Not quite sure what that means. But perhaps some good really did come out of the whole Depp-Will-Play-The-Riddler-In-The-Third-Batman debacle and it has caused some sites to become more cautious about whose reports they're now willing to pick up and run with. [idontknow] Though if past experience is any indication, I suspect this latest deadline.com report will be all over the Internet in a matter of days, if not hours.
The thing that would be nice to know, though, is what's been causing all these latest delays. But I suppose we'll be clued in eventually...
And as always, thanks for the link, jimbo. [hall2_smiley]
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MB yYou were right about how fast this news may spread http://movies.ign.com/articles/113/1132561p1.html for example. As you previously mentioned it would be nice if they named a source-why all this secrecy. Surely one of the producers can speak up directly to the media when it comes to providing a start date. But I am glad at least someone is talking. I am disappointed that it has been delayed to April only because it could be further delayed months after that. Hopefully it will be made.
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With some films, all these repeated delays could be cause for concern as to whether or not the film might ever get made. But because Burton and especially Depp are juggling so many projects, and because both have repeatedly said how dedicated they are to doing the DS film, the cause for concern should be minimal. And as has been stressed several times, repeated delays aren't at all that uncommon in the film industry. Let's recall the anecdote I posted a while back from a producer whose film took 6 years and went through 14 script drafts before it got made - and the Depp/DS film, even with this latest round of delays, is nowhere near all that. [hall2_wink]
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As I mentioned a week or so ago, Nicki Finke/deadline.com is reliable. She does sometimes speculate, but if she does she usually makes that clear (For instance, you can see that she is hedging when it comes to Johnny's other possible project with Kathryn Bigelow). If she posts something this definitive as an "exclusive", then I believe she has solid sources. She does not make things up-- she is not akin to the crazy bloggers and gossip sites that we've all seen spreading silly rumors and gotten so annoyed by. Even my friend in the entertainment industry (no connections to Johnny or DS) sent me this link this afternoon.
Of course, we can wait for a confirmation from Variety or Tim or Johnny, but this is as close to definite as it can get without that. Personally, I'm crossing my fingers but I'm thrilled by this news [hall2_grin]
Cathy
P.S. just to add to MB's remarks, in retrospect, it seems to me that things were progressing but still tentative during the time that August was involved. Quite possibly some of the delays were due to trying to work out disagreements with the screenplay. It seems that as soon as they brought in Seth Grahame-Smith, things progressed much more organically and smoothly from there. This all sounds great because it means they must be much more confident and prepared now, and that can only mean good things!!
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One more point, since I guess I used up my chance to modify my post [hall2_wink] Regarding delays, I don't think a couple of months is a big deal at all. Perhaps Tim needs more time with Frankenweenie, or perhaps Johnny will shoehorn the Bigelow project in, after all. Also, Johnny has a film (Rango) coming out in early March, for which he will probably have to make time to attend the premiere(s) and do press junkets and the like. Or it could simply be a matter of arranging the studio, or other things that we don't even know about.
I'm stoked!! [hall2_cool]
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It seems that as soon as they brought in Seth Grahame-Smith, things progressed much more organically and smoothly from there. This all sounds great because it means they must be much more confident and prepared now
I've gotten that impression as well.
and that can only mean good things!!
Definitely.
Or it could simply be a matter of arranging the studio, or other things that we don't even know about.
Exactly. Production delays can be caused by all sort of things that have nothing to do with the availability of stars/directors. It could easily be your suggestion of the availability of studio space (I seriously doubt WB has been paying for that Pinewood space all this time), or more time is needed to construct sets, or the availability of desired locations (if indeed there will even be locations - with Burton one never knows), or any number of completely nonfatal circumstances.
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The Hollywood Reporter even picked it up but named no source. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/dark-shadows-johnny-depps-movie-35813
I'm getting stoked. Almost there. jk
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Excellent! And not to diss deadline.com in any way because I've come to be fully on board with them as a reliable source, but seeing a report in The Hollywood Reporter is doubly satisfying. Not to mention that this is the first time that either Variety or The Hollywood Reporter has reported anything like WB officially setting a start. Now hopefully casting news will be forthcoming within the next several months...
As for the lack of a named source in The Hollywood Reporter's report, at least with the trades, unless an article specifically states it is speculation, there's always the implication that the source is very reliable and connected in some way to the project, whether it be the production company, studio, or what have you.
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So, before anyone sees this and has a heart attack, there is this blog which seems to disagree with my confidence in Ms. Finke:
http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/nikki-finke-johnny-depp-and-why-the-offer-story-is-such-bullsht-the-farce-of-the-trade-news-game.php (http://www.pajiba.com/think_pieces/nikki-finke-johnny-depp-and-why-the-offer-story-is-such-bullsht-the-farce-of-the-trade-news-game.php)
All I can say is that while I see the point of rushing to be first with a scoop, and Ms. Finke certainly does seem to like to do that, to me, she does not do so recklessly. I'm unfamiliar with the other blogger, and while he/she may be right, to me, it looks a little like jealousy or an axe to grind. At any rate, as you say, MB, Hollywood Reporter picking up on this story certainly does lend more credibility to it, so for now, I am cautiously thrilled to bits!
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Wow. The piece has more than a whiff of jealousy to me too. And apparently he/she was completely unaware that The Hollywood Reporter has confirmed deadline.com's story, so his/her rants on that point are completely moot and do nothing more than make him/her appear to be moronic. But then, if he/she had been watching the trades instead of doing all sorts of needless research into Depp, maybe he/she would have seen the confirmation before he/she had posted the blog. Though if he/she had seen it, I suppose he/she probably would have simply reworked those parts and said Nikki Finke merely got lucky this time. [hall2_rolleyes]
If that entry is typical of what's normally written at pajiba.com, then count me among the people who are neither impressed or about to follow the site. Sadly, I think the blog says a lot more about the person who wrote it than it does about Nikki Finke - and what it says is hardly flattering. But I can't actually say I'm surprised by the tone of the entry because so many people don't seem to realize that having a blog doesn't give them a license to post personal (and in this case, given how the first paragraph ends, juvenile) attacks on someone...
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I have seen on Twitter several attacks on Nikki from sites like IESB and AICN and some others accusing her of not giving said sites credit on her purported breaking stories. I have seen real foul language used by some sites against her which is not too professional. It seems all of these sites want to be the first to post a breaking story on Twitter and we all know how competitive these sites can be. But in all fairness to Nikki she does seem to have good sources. At first glance I thought THR was merely reporting Deadline's breaking news but I guess I was wrong. It seems to me that JD may be attempting to squeeze another movie in before DS but we still don't know why the DS movie has been postponed until April.
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The Hollywood Reporter (and Variety) wouldn't be worth much if they simply reported news someone happened to post on the Internet. Considering how unreliable much of the Internet stuff is, they'd soon lose all credibility in the industry. And notice that The Hollywood Reporter didn't jump on deadline.com's report that the Depp/DS film was going to start in January or the one that said it was going to start in February. I believe the last time The Hollywood Reporter reported on the Depp/DS film it was to say that Seth Grahame-Smith had been hired to write the script - and only that, despite the many coinciding reports on the Internet of the supposed January start. (Though that's not to say that deadline.com's info was inaccurate at the time - only that The Hollywood Reporter's source had either not confirmed it or not given it to them. But if they had been picking news off the Internet, it's likely they would have gone with the January start as well.)
According to Google, as of a few minutes ago 30 Web sites were reporting the April start (even Reuters) and they're citing The Hollywood Reporter more often than deadline.com. But then, no matter how reliable any entertainment Web site might be, The Hollywood Reporter (and Variety) will always trump them as the more reliable source. [hall2_wink]
As for not giving credit where credit is due, sadly that slight is rampant on the Internet. [sad3]
And as an aside, as part of their story ew.com is reporting that back when Depp and Burton were interviewed last February before the release of Alice in Wonderland, they told EW theyve never seen any of the Twilight films...
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Well now we have Variety on board. Great to see the two best publications reporting this development.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118026957
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i just read about this on "IMDB" & with news they are pretty good at reporting it. & if it's wrong they actually apologize about it. it doesn't happen often but it DOES happen. anyways "April" huh?
that's i think reasonable cause no one else in the cast has been announced & since it's NOW November that makes sense ya know? anyways, i think everyone here will agree with me when i say this, i'll believe it when i see it.
or rather hear it offically announced that it's started filming.
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anyways, i think everyone here will agree with me when i say this, i'll believe it when i see it.
or rather hear it offically announced that it's started filming.
Well, I understand your point and your hesitation. But unlike all the other claims of a start of production, this is the first one that could be considered anything approaching official. Most of the other mentions of a start of production were attributed to unnamed entities - and not even the one attributed to producer Richard Zanuck got an official announcement by WB. (Though at least with Zanuck we understand why that start never came to pass because Burton's time was completely consumed with getting Alice In Wonderland ready for release (and obviously there were still problems with the script that needed to be worked out)). But the fact that the April start has been mentioned in both The Hollywood Reporter and Variety trade papers and attributed to WB does indeed make this instance as official as it gets. (Or "super-extra-verified," as JoBlo.com (http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=34621) is reporting it. [hall2_grin])
Does that mean something else can't happen to derail an April start? Sure - Depp or Burton or both could be hit by a bus tomorrow. [hall2_wink] But for all intents and purposes WB now believes the development of the Depp/DS film has progressed to the point where they're comfortable publicly announcing an April start of production - and that speaks volumes about their confidence in the project.
And BTW, according to Google the Web site count reporting the story is now up to 54 (including UPI and such financial outlets as RTT News and The Wall Street Journal).
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How sad. He may be claiming an effort to change his bullying ways, but apparently Perez Hilton still can't get his facts straight. He's reporting that if Depp can't work out his schedule to do the DS film, "Mark Wahlberg could be taking his place." But the fact of the matter is (as everyone else reporting that aspect of the situation is saying) it's not if Depp can't work out doing the DS film (he's already committed to it) - it's if he can't work out doing Triple Frontier that Mark Wahlberg might step into that film.
[hall2_rolleyes]
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Oh wow!!! FINALLY some news that's as thrilling as when this thread first started!!! YAY!!! (I'm kind of excited, in case you can't tell...) [vampsmiley]
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stupid question but why in the hell does he keep signing on to do this film or that film, if he hasn't even started "DS' yet?
funny thing is if you look at IMDB which i realize can be wrong a LOT of the time. & has posted stuff wrong on a number of ocassions. johnny deep already has plenty of films in his schedule why does he keep signing on to do a film that won't be may until say maybe 5 years from now? i'm not referring to the movie that Marky Mark as i still know him as
in replacing him i mean. i'm referring to just roles in general. if you look at "Will Smith" films he has like 30 films or so in the line according to IMDB that he has yet to do any thing with. yet he also keeps signing on to do more roles. will smith most of the time only does what 1 film a year if that? sometimes 2 so you see my point. at least with Johnny Depp he sometimes releases 3 or 4 films a year.
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B.Collins, it's not a stupid question. At the same time, you have to take all the info that you get from IMDb, blogs, entertainment websites, etc. with a grain of salt. Not all of the projects are real- many are just silly rumors, such as Johnny being The Riddler in the next Batman movie, which *still* keeps popping up. Even when an upcoming project is real or at least a real possibility, you have to take into account that many are years in the future, so realize that his agent is thinking of his longterm career and wants him to have staying power. Also, the agent would still be thinking of possibilities in case something falls through, as so often happens in Hollywood. Johnny hasn't necessarily "signed on" for most of these possibilities, and the same is probably true of Will Smith, though I'm less familiar with Smith's career. Finally, at least on Johnny's list, many of the titles listed on IMDb as "in development" are ones that his production company is developing, that he may serve as a producer on but won't star in. His career as a producer is just beginning, and many of the titles that his production company has options to produce are just possibilities- some of them may never even get developed. The same may be true of Smith, too- I don't really know if he does any producing.
As far as Johnny's titles on IMDb:
The Thin Man- sounds like he will produce and star, but this is years into the future- there isn't even a screenplay
Wild Roses, Tender Roses- this one is probable. He is a friend of the producer, Emir Kusterica, and was originally slated to film this in early 2011, but it was pushed back a year or so, in part to make DS filming possible
My American Lover- Johnny and his real life love, Vanessa Paradis, want to star in this, but it is probably a couple of years off. I don't think there is a screenplay yet
Caliber- it has been said that Johnny would only produce, not star in this one
Affected Provincial's Companion- ditto
Inamorata- ditto
Dark Shadows- well, hopefully it will film in April! [hall2_smiley]
Rex Mundi- I do think he wants to star in this one, but it's been in development for years, and I haven't heard any news on it in awhile. It's probably still a few years off
The People's Act of Love- I think he'd produce but not star
The Lone Ranger- he would star in this, and it may come up fairly soon, as I think there has just been another screenwriter hired (similar to what happened with DS)
The 83rd Annual Academy Awards- huh? I don't know why this is on there [hall2_smiley]
In the Hand of Dante- I think he would only produce, not star
Happy Days- ditto
Shantaram- yikes, he wanted to produce and star in this one, and it almost got started 2 or 3 times, but it is in turnaround now. I don't know if this film will ever get made at this point, and if it does, Johnny may no longer be attached
Sleeping Dogs- this is the Kathryn Bigelow film that seems unlikely now that Johnny has a specific start for DS, but it doesn't seem to have been officially ruled out yet
To add to IMDb's list, Johnny is still planning to produce (and probably appear in) a Keith Richards documentary, which filmed in part early this year. I don't know what the status is of that.
Hope this helps, and hope it wasn't too much boring info. Just wanted to convey that such a long list isn't really that long when taken item by item.
Edited to add-- wow, I just realized that IMDb has finally taken off that stupid Incredible Mr. Limpet rumor, which I have never seen or heard credible evidence for. Thank goodness! [hall2_grin]
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wow, I just realized that IMDb has finally taken off that stupid Incredible Mr. Limpet rumor, which I have never seen or heard credible evidence for. Thank goodness! [hall2_grin]
I see they were also smart enough to finally take down the third Batman movie, which was still there back in September. I suppose the most recent denial that the Riddler would even be a character in the film was the one that finally got through to them. Better late than never. [hall2_wink] [hall2_rolleyes]
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Okay, had not seen this here, but one of my kids showed me a post on the av club online site which they as film and video aficionados swear by that the Depp DS film is now set to start filming in April 2011, and that Depp had even withdrawn from another project so filming could start--hurray!! Just want Angelique to be in this film, that was a BIG gap in HODS, not even having a brief flashback to the 1795 Josette/Barnabas/Angelique triangle...
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Seth Grahame-Smith ... has completed the approved script for DS, which will include ... new story elements
One would certainly hope! A near complete retelling of the previous material would be incredibly boring, even though previous DS endeavours (the '91 series, the '93 scripts to turn the '91 series into a theatrical film franchise, and the '04 WB pilot (and quite possibly the '02 script that DC wrote for the FOX pilot that never went beyond the script stage)) tell us that's exactly what DC would want if he were still alive. But while no one wished the man to die, many fans, including myself, are very happy he's not around to push for the umpteenth reworking of hoDS. I'm really looking forward to learning what the fresh take on DS will be...
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what people on this board forget is that old ds fans are not the major target if this film is to be a box office success it has to have new people come and see it and the story will be new to them.
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We don't all forget that (one will come across similar remarks by other members just by checking this topic alone). And during such discussions I've even gone so far in the past few years as to say that the original DS fans are pretty much an insignificant group so far as the demographic WB will be mostly marketing the film to and hoping to attract.
That being said though, bringing new story elements can only help matters because, even discounting the original fans, there are still millions of people in the potential audience for the film who are aware of what the DS storyline has been in the past through exposure to the original series on the Sci-Fi Channel and the '91 series on NBC, the Sci-Fi Channel, and most recently Chiller. That segment of the audience needs to be attracted to the film, but no one wants to see them as bored to death with a complete rehash as many original fans would be. [hall2_wink]
Don't get me wrong - I've never meant to imply that everything that's come before should be thrown out in order to go in a completely new direction. I'm simply saying add enough new elements so that the storyline appears fresh and exciting to not only the people who know nothing about DS, but also to those who do...
And just to put things in a bit of perspective, wanting to see new elements brought to new versions of DS isn't exclusive to the forum or even new because fans were crying for it with the '04 WB pilot, the proposed '02 FOX pilot, the proposed DS musical, and even in the various fanzines that were around when the '91 series was in development and the '93 film scripts based on the '91 series were being shopped around. [hall2_smiley]
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It's true. The DS movie is geared toward a whole younger audience than its original fan base. I just don't see it deviating greatly from DC's vision. It will only be at most a 2 hour movie and it has to allow sufficient time for character development. Most of the new audience will have never heard of the character Victoria Winters for example. The movie will essentially face the same issues like the WB 2004 pilot in terms of introducing many characters in a short time frame. I do think however that the storyline can certainly be very different IE how Barnabas is discovered. The movie may start in the past or in the future. I would be surprised if the new movie deviated greatly form the 1991 series. The only thing I am sure of is that we will not find this movie to be funny.
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I'm hoping for changes more along the lines of the ones that were made for the '04 WB pilot, which, quite thankfully, was not a complete rehash of hoDS. Not those specific changes, mind you, because some of those changes were made to freshen the storyline for an ongoing TV series, which is a very different animal from even an ongoing film franchise. But changes that shake at least a few of the dynamics up a bit.
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You can toss up the story a bit, but just don't change the music... please. The main theme, Josette's Music Box, and Shadows of the Night are a must in any version of DS. Cobert's work is irreplaceable; and while I am fine with new incidentals, the main themes should remain in place. Are you listening, Burton, Elfman?
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The 91 show brought in angelique right from the start where in the first show she did,nt come in until a year afthe barnabas came on.
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i actually have to agree, they better at least stay true to the theme. my guess is that Danny Elfman will do an updated version of it. the (1991) series has good memories for me cause that's when i 1st found out about "DS" & watching it with my dad was a nice pleasure as well. he's still thankfully alive but i'm sure you all know that it is nice to watch stuff with your rents.
& i found out all about "DS" from him. i don't remember if he watched the original show when he was in his teens. but he did tell me that it was a remake of the original show. & hence the remake got me curious about the original show. anyways as for the film, sorry to go off topic here for a bit. i hope it's longer than say 100 minutes. cause there is just
SOO MUCH Story that CAN BE TOLD! i hope that at least some of the original cast have parts in it. either big or small i don't care. i'd LOVE it if "Frid" had a good part in it. but i doubt he'll do it. cuz i think he would want a good part in it. & that i can understand. i think he should get that. plus if the film is done well & written well, & everything that we would love. who knows than i'd love to have them make more "DS" films. just as long as they don't Stake ole "Barney" in the film. like "DC" did in the original "DS" film. what do you think?
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just as long as they don't Stake ole "Barney" in the film. like "DC" did in the original "DS" film. what do you think?
That's a really interesting issue. I wonder if they thought carefully about this, because staking Barn would make it much harder to do any future DS films (not that they're necessarily thinking about that, but still... [hall2_grin] ) I am torn-- part of me thinks that it would seem an inevitable outcome for a stand-alone story (as opposed to a serial franchise). I wouldn't want there to be a Hollywood-ish "happy ending". Also, a pretty good number of Johnny's characters have been killed off at the end of his films, so he's certainly not averse to it happening. That said, if they could find a way to make an ending that is tragic, yet might still leave a door open, so to speak (or is that an open coffin? [hall2_wink] ) I'd be up for that. Hmm.
Cathy
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Oops, sorry for the double post, but I don't think this has been mentioned yet. For what it's worth (and we know we must always take IMDb with a grain of salt!), DS has now been taken off of Johnny's "projects in development" list and is on his Filmography list proper, as "pre-production."
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000136/
I know that's just a formality, but I always like to see changes in status [hall2_cool]
(BTW I have no idea what's going on with that Snow White thing- it seems like just a rumor, but strangely, it hasn't been debunked yet. We'll see!)
Cathy
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You can toss up the story a bit, but just don't change the music... please. The main theme, Josette's Music Box, and Shadows of the Night are a must in any version of DS. Cobert's work is irreplaceable; and while I am fine with new incidentals, the main themes should remain in place. Are you listening, Burton, Elfman?
That was recently addressed:
SG PREMIERE-ANNOUNCES:
DS composer "Bob Cobert's original theme will most certainly be integrated into the musical score of the new movie, though the retired composer will not be directly involved."
Also, there have been remarks made by the producers (and I believe Jim Pierson at the Fests) that they and WB are hoping that the Depp/DS film will be successful enough for it to lead to a franchise. Though that doesn't necessarily rule out Barn being killed off in the first film. Just look at how often Christopher Lee's Drac was killed off and then ingeniously brought back in the next installment. [wink2]
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fyi imdb updated the DS movie page. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
I would hope that there will be several more DS movies but I don't see how TB and JD can find a place on their respective schedules at the same time in the next 3 years or so. We could only hope.
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DC is listed on IMDb as creating the characters. [hall2_huh] I suspect that will come as a surprise to the estate of Art Wallace, who created every character up to Barnabas (and there's even a court ruling to back that up). But then, who knows who even added that credit to the site...
As for fitting in a sequel (or sequels) to a successful film, projects with an already established audience are hotly desired commodities in Hollywood, so stars, directors and studios manage to find/work out ways to do them. For example, considering his schedule is always so full, I suspect Depp already had several films in his pipeline before it was decided to do the first two Pirates sequels, yet they were quite successfully shoehorned in. [hall2_wink] With Burton, though, it isn't always the case that the same director helms the sequels...
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they can just pull the stake out that,s what they were going to do for night of dark shadows if frid had agreed to to be in the film. ofcause he did,nt and they went with a totaly diffent story.
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i agree on that man, i for one loved 'Planet of the apes" i'm prolly one of the only people who did. but i think it's great in it's own way. & even if it's not as good as the original i didn't expect it to be when i saw it in the theatre 9 years ago. i have wanted them to do a sequel to that since it came out! though i highly doubt he will ever do a sequel to that film.
cause he left us on a cliff hanger. which i would LOVE to see resolved in at least one more film, to finish the series off in
Tim Burton's universe anyways. & as for "DS" i hope he does do more films in the franchise if they hope to make one.
someone somewhere posted i forget where on how DS should be in the vein of the classic tv show 'Star Trek" & how that's more in the open than "DS" is & i have to agree with that assetment it's about time "DS" is more in the front than
the background like it's been since the show went off the air & the films were done in the theatre back than.
now i'm not saying it isn't popular it is. but most people today don't know what "DS" is or ever heard of it & if they have at least in (2010) it's cause of the new film coming out.
anyways, i didn't know that "Art Wallace" went to court over who created the characters. i can't say that i blame him either. but than i also don't know what led to it & so on. anyways, your'e right MB actors or actresses if they want to
do a role bad enough DO fit it in their schedule before anything else. such as the pirates sequels i believe he had soo much fun shooting the 1st one that he fit the sequels in his schedule. i think i may have read that somewhere way back when.
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i forgot to mention that with the "C.Lee" films the bringing him back scenes did i think look cool. but the films weren't always that way. some were better than others though. i always got a kick out of on the tv show when they would do that to a vampire. pull a stake out of some vampire's chest & he or she would come back alive.
in other shows or movies. they die & it doesn't matter if you go back to the body years later to check on the body. it's still be staked & if pulled nothing would happen. or if they pulled one out of a vampire to use it to kill another nothing would happen. to my best of knowledge "DS" is the only show that does that, unless i'm informed otherwise of course.
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That was recently addressed:
SG PREMIERE-ANNOUNCES:
DS composer "Bob Cobert's original theme will most certainly be integrated into the musical score of the new movie, though the retired composer will not be directly involved."
I didn't even see that. Thank you for pointing that out, MB! Thank goodness we at least have confirmation on the main theme. I don't know how I feel about the term "integrated." That could be really good or rather negative depending on how you read it. If the theme is TRULY integrated into the score, that means it could pop up several times in several variations. However, it could also be read as in "it will just be pushed in there for the sake of having it." Either way, it doesn't say that it will be the main theme of the movie, which is rather alarming. But, at least it will be in there... Now for Josette's Music Box...
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that,s what they did with tom jennings he was staked but came when nickholus blair pulled the stake out ofcause i don,nt know if that was because he was a warlock and had powers/
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i know that's who i was thinking of when i was typing that. i also think the actor who played him made a horrible vampire. he was better when he was himself than he was playing a vampire to be honest. least i think so. anyways, if they put josette into the film than yes i'd say put the music box in it.
but i can live without it. but ONLY if they don't put Josette into the film. & my guess it'd be an updated score of the original if it's used. i'd also LOVE a new take on the DS story. & something tells me we may get it. & i do agree what MB said. if DC was still alive. god rest his soul. if they were going to make a film of DS. it would be another copycat story.
& us fans here, don't mind it being re told somewhat. if told right. & written good. but it would be a nice breath of fresh air to have a new DS story. on film anyways. i know we are getting that on the audio plays. & i love those.
but i also would love to see new DS story on film. to be honest if the film is a hit & i think it could well be.
i'd love them to try another tv series retry. but of course with people involved who knew & respected the work. from what i hear on iMDB & here the last attempt wasn't very good. so that's why i put it that way.
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if they do another film i hope its the quentin ghost/werewoft story and has count petoft in it and ofcause quentins theme which was a hit song i think it was in the top 10 on billboard.
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i didn't know that "Art Wallace" went to court over who created the characters.
There are several topics on the forum that discuss that incident - but the details are pretty OT for this topic. Try using the forum's Advanced Search feature. [hall2_wink]
i'd love them to try another tv series retry. but of course with people involved who knew & respected the work. from what i hear on iMDB & here the last attempt wasn't very good. so that's why i put it that way.
Again, OT to go into in this topic, but I think you'll find that most forum members weren't of the opinion that the '04 WB pilot wasn't very good. In fact, many found much to enjoy and admire about the effort. For example, check outWB 2004 Pilot Redux
and the topic it links to at the top of its first post...
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oh i'm sure there are people on here who enjoyed the Pilot, i'm not denying that. i was of course just referring to the people who didn't like it. that's all
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It's nice to see that even though DS isn't referenced in any way in Entertainment Weekly's cover story (available this week) on Johnny Depp (and Angelina Jolie - which is, after all, to promote The Tourist and not DS), there is a separate piece right at the top of the This Weeks's Deal Report about the Depp/DS film starting production in April. Sort of makes up for their speculative report of two years ago. Sort of...
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The only thing I am sure of is that we will not find this movie to be funny.
I was just catching up and checking out more of the latest reports that have been blanketing the Web and apparently The Film Stage (http://thefilmstage.com/2010/11/04/johnny-depps-next-project-is-tim-burtons-%E2%80%98dark-shadows/) seems to be of the opinion that DS is "whimsical." I've seen many descriptions of DS, but that's definitely a new one, and the typical connotation of the word is one that I wouldn't exactly call accurate.
And BTW, according to Google the count is now up to 70 entertainment/horror Web sites reporting the story. Between Web sites, newspapers and magazines that have carried the news, there can't be too many people who pay attention to such things who aren't in the know about the Depp/DS film beginning production in April. ;)
One recent article that isn't included in that group of 70 is this: Which Actresses Have What it Takes to Star in 'Gatsby' and 'Dark Shadows'? (http://www.popeater.com/2010/11/07/great-gatsby-dark-shadows-casting/) However, their conclusion for DS isn't exactly one that we haven't thought of ourselves. Personally, I agree that the actress in question would be perfect for the Depp/DS film and I'd love the see her appear in it - but only time will tell if she will...
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Thanks MB. I look forward in receiving the EW issue at hand in the mail. I also agree at the moment with the actress who may play Victoria Winters. Re: DS being"Whimsical" how outrageous! Are these the same writers who are going to review the DS movie?
Re: the WB DS pilot. Does anybody know what happened to all of the props IE. Director's chairs, paintings etc...Just wondering what WB did with all of the them after the pilot was filmed.
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I know it doesn't do any good to post this, but a few nights ago I was watching a bit of the new Sherlock series on pbs.org and it suddenly hit me that Benedict Cumberbatch would make a perfect Barnabas Collins. The lighting, the coat, the hairstyling for Sherlock all would be ideal for a re-conceptualization of Barnabas. Of course Cumberbatch would have to dial the whole manic genius thing WAY down for Barn but he is clearly a highly skilled actor...
He just seems to have more of "that Barnabas edge" to me than Depp. Of course, I am clearly the only fan who thinks this, so...
I have the feeling that Depp Shadows could very well be "whimsical." Whimsy seems to be a frequent feature of Tim Burton's work.
G.
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Gothik, this is my concern too, but more because of Tim than because of Johnny. I know a lot of folks perceive Johnny's characters as "offbeat" and even loveable misfits, but he can be very dark when it's called for. Check out the ends of Secret Window and The Astronaut's Wife (though the latter is a pretty bad movie), or his cameo as a prison guard in Before Night Falls (in which he also has a totally separate cameo as a transvestite!) Even in Blow, Donnie Brasco, The Libertine (one of his best performances ever!) and Public Enemies, among others, he plays it pretty straight and dramatic. And then there is Sweeney Todd, probably his darkest character yet, which I hope will come close to the tone that Johnny uses for Barnabas.
As for Tim, I try to keep reminding myself that Tim directed Sweeney Todd. I also think the atmosphere in Sleepy Hollow would be amenable to DS. But after seeing Alice In Wonderland this year and not being too thrilled with it, I'm really hoping that Tim can do DS with the edge it deserves.
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Mad Scientist, thanks for your thoughts. Interesting about Sweeney Todd. I had the impression from the trailers that there was an awful lot of the trademark Burton candy-colored chop-suey fleecy-flossie flying about... and it was a musical...
Whatever. As long as the 1970s feature films come out on disc restored and with extras, I'll be a happy fan. They can totally shred what's left of the Franchise at that point as far as I am concerned... I wasn't a fan of the WB pilot and I suspect that Depp Shadows will make that look like a bit of quiet noir realism...
cheers, G.
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PS. Mad Scientist, it's funny that you and I have the same avatar. It's giving kind of a Hitchcock flair to this interchange.
Barn: Remember SOMEBODY, Julia!
Jules: Oh-ho-ho-ho-hohoho NO-ho-hohohoho! BARN-a-bas!
cheers,
G.
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Re: DS being"Whimsical" how outrageous! Are these the same writers who are going to review the DS movie?
That I have no idea because I'm not at all familiar with the site (yesterday was the first that I'd even heard of it).
In their defense, they may have been thinking the definition of whimsical that means freakish. But even if they did, I seriously doubt that's the definition the vast majority of people reading their remarks would come away with because that's the far less used connotation.
As for the definition of whimsical that most come away with, that's been my fear ever sense Burton was first mentioned as directing because that's the sort of style that's most associated with his films. However, as I've mentioned before, I'm holding onto Sleepy Hollow as an example of Burton's work that could lend itself well to DS. It's perfectly dark and Gothic in tone. Yes, there is humor in the film, but it comes from out of character - it's not there simply for the sake of being - it has a point to it and it enhances the story. If humor is used in that way in the Depp/DS film, I'll have no problems with it whatsoever.
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I know it doesn't do any good to post this, but a few nights ago I was watching a bit of the new Sherlock series on pbs.org and it suddenly hit me that Benedict Cumberbatch would make a perfect Barnabas Collins. The lighting, the coat, the hairstyling for Sherlock all would be ideal for a re-conceptualization of Barnabas. Of course Cumberbatch would have to dial the whole manic genius thing WAY down for Barn but he is clearly a highly skilled actor...
He just seems to have more of "that Barnabas edge" to me than Depp. Of course, I am clearly the only fan who thinks this, so...
Actually you're not alone because I agree that Cumberbatch has many qualities that could make for a perfect Barnabas. And there were no signs of the manic genius persona that he displays as Sherlock Holmes when he did The Last Enemy, which was part of the '08 season of Masterpiece Contemporary. But as you say, it doesn't do any good to wonder what Cumberbatch might be able to do with the role because it's already cast. Though I do have a great deal of confidence that Depp also has what it takes to play Barn, and I'm really looking forward to his take.
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Jim Pierson is interviewed and mentions the new film and used Sleepy Hollow as a comparison how the movie may look.
http://www.blogofdarkshadows.com/?p=152
My apologies to Mr. Gross-I did not see his original post before my post.
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Using Sleepy Hollow as a comparison. Imagine. [hall2_wink] Though he and I are hardly the only ones who have, as several other members' posts on the forum will attest. [hall2_smiley]
Actually, as I alluded to back in March, I've been meaning to make this post since way back then, but things just never aligned correctly until today because I finally found the time to pick out the screen caps I want to use for the post (even though I took captures from the entire SH film last April [hall2_undecided]).
But anyway, Sleepy Hollow does indeed seem to be a perfect template for what the Depp/DS film could be and might actually turn out to be. It literally oozes with great Gothic atmosphere. There are a few elements in SH that I would prefer to see done differently in DS, but given Tim Burton's way of working, if he does go in the same sort of directions with DS, I'll certainly be able to live with it because the way he handled those elements in SH worked quite well. Not to mention there have been great strides made in CGI since SH was done - so in all likelihood what might be done with DS could look even better.
First off, I love the entire look of SH. One amazing thing to realize is that all the scenes that take place in the woods surrounding the village of Sleepy Hollow (and there are numerous scenes that do) were all shot in a huge studio and not out of doors, they look quite authentic (and decidely creepy):
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_00295.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_00637.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_01332.bmp.jpg)
Secondly, the village of Sleepy Hollow, particularly considering that it's merely a group of facades built in an empty English field, looks amazing - and actually becomes a character (or a groups of characters) unto itself:
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_00140.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_00887.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_01015.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_01039.bmp.jpg)
And even though the backgrounds in virtually every scene are completely added elements, they also look quite authentic and lend the film so much of its atmosphere. I particularly love these two shots:
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_00991.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_01017.bmp.jpg)
And lastly there's the CGI generation of the manor house. While I'd much prefer that Burton use a real house for the exterior of Collinwood and shoot exteriors there, I have to confess that if Collinwood were created in a similar way as the manor house in SH, I believe I wouldn't have much of a problem accepting it (and considering what Burton has done in the past (and not just with SH), a CGI exterior may indeed be the way that things go):
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_01151.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_01074.bmp.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/SleepyH/sh_00928.bmp.jpg)
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MB thanks for taking the time out to post these great looking screen captures from SH. I am more confident now that TB is the right man for this DS film. SH does capture the DS atmosphere so well. I do hope there will be on location shootings for the DS film but TB seems very capable of creating a whole new world on a stage lot.
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A bit behind on checking my e-mail alerts but Seth Grahame-Smith has an article in Variety (dated yesterday) that references his work on the DS script (nothing we don't already know): Seth Grahame-Smith: 'Zombies' opens door (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118027427?). But what's interesting about it is that it's part of a larger focus entitled "10 SCREENWRITERS TO WATCH" - and it's quite encouraging to see Grahame-Smith on such a list in such a prestigious trade paper as Variety. [hall2_smiley] Unfortunately, though, unless you're a member of Variety's Web site or you haven't read two other articles there this month, you won't be able to read it. Well, until next month. [hall2_wink]
[edit: I see where Blog of Dark Shadows (http://www.blogofdarkshadows.com) has quoted some of Grahame-Smith's remarks from the article as part of its latest article on him.]
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are they ever going to cast this film whats taking so long if there going to start filming in april get going already depp and burtin are very slow.
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A man who apparently said OMG several times when he learned of the Depp/DS film. Check out: Tim Burton and Johnny Depp Take on Dark Shadows (http://brusimm.com/2010/11/18/tim-burton-and-johnny-depp-take-on-dark-shadows/)
And in answer to his summing up question: yes, there are many DS fans out here looking forward to the Depp/DS film. [b003]
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Not That I expect many of us were expecting to, but apparently we won't be interacting with Tim Burton online:
Tim Burton exclusive: Nothing scares him except the Net (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/article/893664--tim-burton-exclusive-nothing-scares-him-except-the-net)
(The Depp/DS film is mentioned.)
Gee, I suppose this means he won't be registering for an account here any time soon. [hall2_grin]
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that would be cool though IF he did i mean, but i really doubt he'd make himself known on it if he was a member here anyways.
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(It's pretty much a moot point considering how Burton feels about the Internet, but one shouldn't be so quick to dismiss actors/producers/directors identifying themselves on fan boards. One need look no further here than, say, Marie Wallace and Jonathan Frid, who are both members here and have outed themselves as such. Dan Curtis was a posting member of the old Prodigy DS board back in the '90s. And then there were places like the official Buffy board where so many of the writers/directors and even Joss Whedon posted that I lost count of how many people directly connected to the show were active members.)
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You know Depp's gotta be a lurker here. [hall2_wink] [hall2_grin]
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You know, I'll believe it when I see it at this point. I honestly don't think it'll happen. This has been Tim Burton's "next film" for 3 years. I think I may start a casting thread though. Not just DS, but in general. Good idea?
-Joe E Dangerously
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Actually, if one reads through this topic, one sees that Burton already had several films in various stages of readiness before he planned to do the Depp/DS film. That's why there have been frequent cautions posted that if WB and Depp had their minds set on Burton directing the Depp/DS film, the film was going to be years in the offing. And back in '08 we speculated that it could be more than two years before Burton would be free enough to handle the film. And that prediction seems to have turned out to be just about right.
I see where one more obstacle is out of the way as far as Depp goes: Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides: It's a Wrap! (http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Pirates-of-the-Caribbean-On-Stranger-Tides-Its-a-Wrap/7908)
The article says that Depp is now free to turn his attention to DS - but with almost five months before DS begins production, why do I suspect Depp might fit something in beforehand (film, voice, narration, who knows what)? Could it be that the man seems like a workaholic? [wink2]
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You know I am sticking to my mantra: Patience. I want the movie to be great, perfect, and what it needs to be so I am sitting back and just waiting for it to happen. The nature of Hollywood is delays pure and simple. I will be excited to see when more information comes to light but until then I am just being as I said patient. [hall2_smiley]
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Contrary to what the New York Times Web site is listing, according to this article (mostly regarding her latest film (for which there is a great deal of buzz about her performance)):
Exclusive: Helena Bonham Carter on The King's Speech (http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=71698)
Helena Bonham Carter says she still hasn't been asked to be a part of the Depp/DS film.
Also, and not that it comes as a surprise given how secretive he is with his films, but we probably won't be hearing too much from Burton about the Depp/DS film for at least the time being because -
1) this article says he was reluctant to discuss it (beyond what little they got out of him when they interviewed him regarding the TIFF Bell Lightbox exhibit):
Tim Burton exhibit in Toronto collects 700-plus artifacts from career, childhood (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/entertainment/breakingnews/tim-burton-exhibit-in-toronto-collects-700-plus-artifacts-from-career-childhood-109945829.html)
and 2) in this interview with MTV Burton says he's still not sure what's happening yet:
Tim Burton Talks 'Dark Shadows,' 'Frankenweenie,' 'Maleficent' And 'The Addams Family'! (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2010/11/23/tim-burton-dark-shadows-frankenweenie-maleficent-addams-family/)
But at least he does say that he's excited...
(The MTV Blog post is actually taken from a longer MTV article which might be of interest to Burton aficionados: Tim Burton Has A Big 2010 Thanks To 'Alice In Wonderland,' MOMA Exhibit (http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1652889/20101122/story.jhtml))
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I agree with MB that things seem right on track now for the DS film. Of course, things could still fall through, but I think an April start date is about as specific as we could hope for. I'm also not too surprised we haven't heard any casting news yet (other than Johnny for Barn, of course!) but I imagine that after the New Year, tidbits about the cast will start to trickle through.
I'm a little divided on the theory of Anne Hathaway as Vicky Winters; overall, I really like Anne, but I actually personally thought she was the weakest link in Alice In Wonderland. Not that I thought that Alice was one of Burton's stronger films, anyway, but I found Anne's performance to be distracting and off the mark. If she is indeed cast in DS, I will just hope for the best!
As to what Johnny could possibly do with his time between now and April, that is a question that we fans are certainly asking ourselves right now [hall2_grin] Some known/possible activities:
Tourist premieres and promotion (Dec.)
Rango premieres and promotion (Feb.)
Kathryn Bigelow film- I'm not sure if that's definitely ruled out, now, or not
Snow White (this is still just a rumor, but I haven't heard it debunked yet)
Keith Richards documentary that Johnny is directing- I'd like to see him use this time to get this done!
21 Jump Street film cameo- Johnny kinda sorta seemed amenable to doing this
maybe just spending some time with Vanessa and the kids? [hall2_smiley]
So there are some possibilities but we'll see if any of them come to pass. As long as DS stays on track!
Cathy
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I'm also not too surprised we haven't heard any casting news yet (other than Johnny for Barn, of course!) but I imagine that after the New Year, tidbits about the cast will start to trickle through.
I would presume so too. And trickle might even be a good way of putting it because sometimes films are still casting, even still casting major roles, after already beginning production.
As long as DS stays on track!
Exactly. [hall2_smiley]
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I think I may start a casting thread though. Not just DS, but in general. Good idea?
Welcome! Is this topic (on this same board) what you had in mind?--
Casting Speculations
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Snow White (this is still just a rumor, but I haven't heard it debunked yet)
Interestingly (and perhaps as a relief [hall2_grin] ) this entry has now been taken off of Johnny's IMDb page.
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Am I the only one who thinks it might be nice if Tim Burton had just a little bit more of a positive attitude that the Depp/DS film will turn out well. His latest round of remarks seem to have culminated in the ones in this article:
Tim Burton on Twilight and His Own Two Upcoming Vampire Movies (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/11/tim_burton_on_twilight_and_his.html)
Yes, it's all well and fine to be cautious before a project starts and to not jump the gun to say it's going to absolutely be God's gift to entertainment. It's never smart to come across as a conceited ass. [hall2_wink] But there's a fine line between being cautious and coming across like you presently have no idea if you're ever going to be able to pull something off. But maybe that's just the way Burton is - maybe he always prefers to be cautious and humble (rare qualities in many directors) lest something turn out horribly wrong when beforehand he'd bragged too much about it. But still, a bit more positivity than he's currently providing wouldn't hurt. [hall2_smiley]
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A friend mentioned the other day that Perez Hilton ran an item in his column (which I don't read) implying that Depp may not be playing Barnabas after all in the DS film.
I'm sure that it's just Hilton stirring the shit without anything to back it up as per his usual m. o., but it's odd that Tim Burton sounds so under-enthusiastic about the DS project in that latest interview.
G.
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Re Perez Hilton's brand of lunacy:
How sad. He may be claiming an effort to change his bullying ways, but apparently Perez Hilton still can't get his facts straight. He's reporting that if Depp can't work out his schedule to do the DS film, "Mark Wahlberg could be taking his place." But the fact of the matter is (as everyone else reporting that aspect of the situation is saying) it's not if Depp can't work out doing the DS film (he's already committed to it) - it's if he can't work out doing Triple Frontier that Mark Wahlberg might step into that film.
[hall2_rolleyes]
And it's not so much that Burton isn't enthusiastic - he's recently said more than once that he's excited about both the film and Depp playing Barn. it's more so that lately he's also been making comments like "Im trying to find a certain tone, and we dont know if we get it until we start it" (meaning, I presume, that he's not sure they'll get things right until they start to shoot) and "I'm not really sure what's happening yet" (which is a real head scratchier in light of his other recent remarks). Those remarks seem to downplay and to conflict with the ones that say he's excited and that he's finally getting a script with the right tone. [hall2_undecided]
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If Marky Mark is cast as Barnabas I will really have to slap someone. The very notion makes me feel queasy. Depp has been obsessed with playing the role ever since he was a kid. There's no way he'll pass it up.
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It would be nice if Burton told was what "that certain tone" was... From these statements, this "tone" is everything...
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If I recall correctly, Perez Hilton got mixed up between DS and the Kathryn Bigelow film, for which I think Wahlberg's name was being floated around. In general, don't trust Perez Hilton [hall2_rolleyes] [hall2_grin]
Also, Tim Burton is the master of the understatement and the deadpan attitude, and he is also often evasive. So don't worry if he doesn't gush too much- it's just his way.
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It would be nice if Burton told was what "that certain tone" was... From these statements, this "tone" is everything...
I'd like to think that the tone Burton keeps referring to is akin to what DC frequently described as the "delicate balance between romance and horror" that makes DS DS. (A realization (which I believe is completely accurate) that DC apparently came to AFTER making hoDS because any romance in hoDS was sledgehammered over the head by the horror! ::) But it was better late than never that he came to the realization. ;)) But in the back of my mind I still have that nagging doubt that I keep trying to put down that that's not actually the tone Burton is talking about. But we shall see - and we can only hope...
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Nothing really new in this, but I love the, uh, plain words of advice for Depp and Burton: Random Things (That's what LJ's for after all). (http://quietslytherins.livejournal.com/3125.html)
(Scroll down to the 5th paragraph. It starts off with "Speaking of dialog-centered shows, Dark Shadows...")
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Not really related to the Depp/DS film directly - and I'm sure most of us have already heard/read about the story - but does this mean Barnabas will be gay? [wink2]
Johnny Depp: "All My Characters Are Gay" (http://www.tvguide.com/News/Johnny-Depp-Disney-1026232.aspx)
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^^^ I guess we'll have to wait to find out!
A teensy heads-up-- Today and tomorrow are press junket dates for The Tourist, and Johnny is about to be heavily (if superficially) interviewed. You never know if/how much DS will be brought up, but here's hoping!
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so his character in " A Nightmare on elm street" which is his 1st film. & easily my favorite of all them. so ole "Glen'" is gay? i doubt it. i don't think all his characters are. but some i wouldn't me surprised by.
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I can definitely see that with Jack Sparrow, Willie Wonka and Ichabod Crane. I think it's an exaggeration to say that all his characters are gay, but he does bring an effemenent quality to a lot of his characters, and does it more and more over time. Not as much with his earlier roles.
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i agree. i DO hope that he doesn't play ole Barny that way.
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I doubt he will. Depp was clearly joking when he made the remark (as I was joking when I posed the question about Barn) and trying to make the Disney rep realize how foolish she was being. What's sad, though, is that one has to wonder if the rep ever realized that she was being foolish? [santa_sad]
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Here we go- Johnny himself confirms the April start date in the Chicago Sun-Times, and he's already making bad puns in this tiny snippet [santa_cheesy] [santa_grin] [santa_rolleyes]
Traveling in style in 'Tourist' (http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/pearlman/2941020,tourist-CST-120310.article)
And I really like him using the word "dark" [santa_thumb]
Cathy
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By the way, I meant to post this a day or two ago. Johnny hit many of the usual TV entertainment shows the other day (Entertainment Tonight, Extra, Access Hollywood), and he appeared wearing a bunch of scarves tied around his neck. I'm going to see if I can attach a small photo to show. Now, it may just be a whim, but sometimes Johnny starts to add trinkets to his wardrobe that end up as part of the attire he wears for his next character. For instance, he started wearing a colored bandana hanging off his jeans pocket, and next thing you know, Sweeney Todd's outfit had a hankie or whatever for which Sweeney could wipe his blade. All I'm saying is that I wonder if Johnny is starting to think in terms of some type of cravat or something for Barn's character. Also, it's not evident here, but I saw it on one of the TV segments, he's got a hoop earring in his left ear. He's worn earrings over the years, but not the past decade or so, so it's a new look for him. It could be for Pirates, but since Captain Jack has all those dreads going on, an earring wouldn't even be noticed! So I also started to wonder if Barn may end up with an earring.
Of course, I could be totally wrong and he's just in a phase of wearing these trinkets just for himself! [santa_grin] But you never know if it's part of him searching for the feel of his next character...
Cathy
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Interesting speculation, Cathy. I wasn't aware that Depp sometimes starts to do that sort of thing, so it's fascinating to hear about how he'll try little things before production to get into the mindset of his next character.
And thanks for posting the link to the Chicago Sun-Times piece. [santa_smiley]
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I just picked up the new January 2011 issue of Vanity Fair, which has a cover story on Johnny. It's a very cool issue because Johnny is interviewed by Patti Smith, who has become a good friend of his in the past few years. There are only two brief mentions of DS, one where Patti observes the script sitting in Johnny's trailer, and another at the end of the interview when she asks him about. His response is brief but very enthusiastic (and peppered with colorful language, but in a good way :)).
Interestingly, Patti has picked up on and described the phenomenon of Johnny beginning to dress like and seem like each new character he's playing, including Paul Kemp (The Rum Diary), Mad Hatter, Frank (The Tourist) and Captain Jack. So again, it remains to be seen whether Johnny is currently giving us any clues about Barnabas.
Unfortunately, the whole article isn't online, but you can see an overview on their site:
Johnny Depp Talks to Patti Smith About Working with Angelina Jolie, Jack Sparrow, and His Own Musical Aspirations (http://www.vanityfair.com/online/daily/2010/11/johnny-depp-talks-to-patti-smith-about-working-with-angelina-jolie-jack-sparrow-and-his-own-musical-aspirations.html)
and find the magazine on your newstand!
Cathy
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I'll be out (hopefully) finishing my Christmas shopping tomorrow night. I'll definitely check the interview out over a cup of coffee at B&N. [santa_wink] Thanks for the heads up. [santa_smiley]
Patti observes the script sitting in Johnny's trailer
If only she hadn't been a friend but an unscrupulous journalist who would have stolen the script and put it up on eBay! [santa_azn] ... Oops - did I actually just say that? Bad MB!! [santa_embarassed] And I certainly don't condone that sort of behavior. But we haven't got the first clue of what the script might be like. And while I wouldn't actually want to know too much about it because that wouldn't leave anything to learn and to be excited about when we actually do get to see the film (hoDS was definitely a case where way too much came out before the film had even opened), I know I'm not the only one who's dying for any sort of tidbit.
Patti has picked up on and described the phenomenon of Johnny beginning to dress like and seem like each new character he's playing
It's definitely even more interesting to learn that others are also noticing how Depp likes to dress in ways that help him get into the mindset of his upcoming characters.
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He probably won't talk about DS because he'll be there to promote The Tourist, but I just saw that Depp will be on David Letterman Tuesday night.
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Glad to hear Johnny talk about DS! :)
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I have been away for a bit but I just noticed that at the imdb DS website they posted that actress Kirsten Van Wagner is Victoria Winters. Is this old news or most likely not true?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/
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If true, that is major news. But I have no idea where it's coming from. Perhaps someone who uses Facebook can track down her page there to see if anything has been posted about Depp/DS film...
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Not that this necessarily means anything, but searches of Variety and The Hollywood Reporter bring up nothing - and there are no tweets about the Depp/DS film on her Twitter page. (And though one of her latest tweets says she's obsessed with vampires, it was made way back on April 6th.)
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Apparently some German Web sites are somehow connecting Kirsten Van Wagner to the Depp/DS film and also mentioning the role of Victoria Winters - but I don't read German, and who knows if the translations in Google are correct enough to trust...
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Her 2 FB pages seems to be out of date http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9049437&fbid=270117450060&id=270116010060#!/pages/Kirsten-Van-Wagner/270116010060 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9049437&fbid=270117450060&id=270116010060#!/pages/Kirsten-Van-Wagner/270116010060)
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9049437&fbid=270117450060&id=270116010060#!/pages/Kirsten-Van-Wagner/145110738253 (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=9049437&fbid=270117450060&id=270116010060#!/pages/Kirsten-Van-Wagner/145110738253) and her Twitter page is also outdated although her April post indicates she like vampires. http://twitter.com/#!/kvanwagner (http://twitter.com/#!/kvanwagner)
I'll say this is a rumor for now.
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Sorry MB I mised some of your previous posts.
I would have thought the DS producers would be looking for a bigger name for the Victoria Winters role but I guess that doesn't necessarily have to be the case.
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If she really has been cast as Vicki, what would be funny is that I just bought someone The Blind Side DVD as a Christmas gift, and apparently she has a small part in that film...
And no need to apologize, jimbo. When people are posting close together, some posts are bound to be overlooked. [santa_wink]
As for a bigger name, considering that it's going to be shot in England, I've actually been anticipating that several English actors/actresses might be cast in the film - actors/actresses that many of us may have never heard of. But I suppose we'll see...
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I did see that movie but I don't recall seeing her in the movie.
Her name came out of nowhere. Glad we are not betting on who may be casted. jk I would like a bigger name but if she fits the role then that is fine with me.
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This video was uploaded today at Youtube from an MTV interview and Depp speaks very briefly about the Barnabas character; uses the words strange and outside.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P5cJ2XfZoY
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Nice. Thanks for posting the link, jimbo. [santa_smiley]
Now, if only something beyond IMDb (and some seemingly obscure German Web sites - which may have actually picked up on what's on IMDb) would confirm (or deny) Kirsten Van Wagner's casting as Vicki...
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She has stunning hair. Despite the name she's from Baltimore MD and married to someone named Corey van Wagner.
I wasn't even sure that Vicki would be a character in the new film... interesting.
G.
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An, uh, interesting take on why the Depp/DS film should be a hit:
Tim Burtons Dark Shadows Promises Cult Appeal with No Edge (http://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/39756/tim-burtons-dark-shadows-promises-cult-appeal-with-no-edge/)
But there is no denying that 13-17 year olds are the ones who actually control the film industry.
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I'm hoping for Anne Hathaway. However, the idea of an English actress is fine by me. They usually get pretty good training to be actors and there's not such a heavy emphasis on beauty when they are cast for roles such as here in the US. I kind of like the idea of Carey Mulligan in the role of VW.
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It's amazing how some Web sites only want to see doom and gloom where there is none. In the last few days certain entertainment/horror sites are parsing some of Depp's recent comments and coming away with the notion that the Depp/DS film is somehow in trouble and may not get made. And to back up their interpretations of Depp's remarks, they're citing the reports that the film was supposedly going to begin shooting in January but that start was postponed. How ridiculous is that?! While it might have been true that the film was hoping for a January start, Warner Brothers never officially announced a January start. However, WB has officially announced an April start - a fact these doom and gloom Web sites are completely ignoring in their reports in favor of saying things such as, "Although we last heard that the Burton/Depp big screen redo of Dark Shadows would start filming in January, it doesn't look like that's happening," despite the fact that that isn't the last we heard. >:(
Sheesh, can't these sites get anything right? ::) It's like the parsing of the 10/10/08 speculative report in Entertainment Weekly all over again - only this time there are actual facts to contradict what they're coming away with - but they choose to ignore them. Or perhaps they're even completely ignorant of them...
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I kind of like the idea of Carey Mulligan in the role of VW.
I agree that she could make for a very interesting Vicki, but Carey Mulligan recently signed on to play Daisy Buchanan in Baz Luhrmann's remake of The Great Gatsby, so that might actually take her out of the running for even being considered for the Depp/DS film if its shooting schedule conflicts with Gatsby's. And if IMDb's listing is actually correct, then the part has already been cast, which would definitely take her out of the running. [wink2]
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I'm glad I haven't seen those sites, MB- in the last few days, I've mainly only come across reviews ripping The Tourist to shreds [santa_shocked] (BTW it's not nearly as horrible as they say; not an Oscar contender, but just a sweet and funny trifle). Anyway, from the sound of it, what you're seeing on those sites is probably just reverb from a couple of months ago. The silly tabloid/rumor sites seem to repeat the same silly things over and over when they are bored or on a slow news day [santa_wink]
I haven't seen a peep other than IMDb about this Kirsten gal, so it'll be interesting to see if she is indeed cast. If not, I think I like the idea of Ms. Mulligan. We'll see!
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I've mainly only come across reviews ripping The Tourist to shreds [santa_shocked] (BTW it's not nearly as horrible as they say; not an Oscar contender, but just a sweet and funny trifle).
(Clearly The Tourist can't be that bad because I see where it's just been nominated for a Golden Globe as Best Picture Musical or Comedy. And Depp's performance in it is almost nominated. Though he's also nominated for Alice in Wonderland - and in situations where an actor is nominated twice in the same category, they often don't win for either because the double nominations split the vote. But I suppose we'll see. The Golden Globes are nothing if not unpredictable. [santa_wink])
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Based on comments JD has made the writer of this article believes Depp's performance as Barnabas will diverge wildly from Frid's performance. Well let's hope not too wildly.
http://newsok.com/article/3523640
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Ha. I could see Depp playing Barnabas as a throwback to the early 18th century, complete with grand perruque, white face powder, beauty marks and lipstick, like the Patrick Magee character in Barry Lyndon.
G.
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Ha. I could see Depp playing Barnabas as a throwback to the early 18th century, complete with grand perruque, white face powder, beauty marks and lipstick, like the Patrick Magee character in Barry Lyndon.
Oh, he would love that!! [8_2_59] I do want Barnabas to be played quite darkly. I don't mind if he wants to inject some humor into the character, but I just hope he won't overdo it. Something like Sweeney Todd would seem perfect to me, but the thing is, he never really plays his characters the same way, so we're probably in for a surprise.
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did anyone else notice that Depp is wearing a Barnabas style BLACK ONYX RING in 1 scene of THE TOURIST?
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did anyone else notice that Depp is wearing a Barnabas style BLACK ONYX RING in 1 scene of THE TOURIST?
Oh gosh, I DID notice the ring during the movie, and then completely forgot about it! Haha, I wonder... (Johnny does love rings in general, though). We'll have to get a screen capture, or a movie still of that later :)
Cathy
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Yes Please get a screen capture. I saw part of an interview with JD but didn't notice the ring. I'm slipping I guess. I usually notice details. It will be interesting seeing another actress fill the shoes of Mia Farrow in The Great Gatsby. I recall KLS was also in the film. I haven't seen it in years.
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Not sure why it's happening all of a sudden and specifically now (particularly considering that jimbo noticed and posted about it two weeks ago), but in the past couple of days several Web sites have jumped on the Kirsten Van Wagner has been cast as Victoria Winters in the Depp/DS film bandwagon. Some are even going so far as to include detailed bios on her. However, all are citing IMDb as their source - and a few are also pointing out that the info on that site isn't always reliable. And interestingly, there still hasn't been a peep out of any of the trade papers supporting IMDbs info, so as I said before, it would really be fascinating to know just where the person who posted on IMDb got the info. It would be nice to believe that someone actually connected to the film posted it, but quite often that is not the case, which is why the IMDb info isn't always as reliable as it should be...
Of course, what would really be fascinating isn't if it isn't true but if it is because the info seems to have just come from out of nowhere.
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There is a verification process at imdb's site for any information submitted. I think the site requires a link or document for any submission. Hardly a fool proof system but its better than having none like some of the other sites. I just think the producers will be going for a bigger name actress for the critical Victoria role. Plus I discount the information posted at imdb. I base it on the fact that Tim Burton is so overly secretive when comes to casting. I think if a confirmed actor was leaked out like at imdb that it would have been quickly pulled off the site by TB and company. Just my opinion of course.
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i actually haven't been following the preproduction of this too much but i gave this a look...
alot of the articles are phrasing it with a question mark("kirsten van wagner as victoria winters?")so there still seems to be much uncertainty about it.
she is quite stunning. i guess i'm relieved she's not a short haired blond. vicki's such an ingenue i don't mind an unknown actress portraying her. in fact i'm sort of expecting alot of semi-unknowns in this production(besides depp of course)for some reason.
my guess would be that liz and maybe julia will be the only bits of stunt-casting or semi-big names.
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The situation with Kirsten Van Wagner is almost like the situation with Helena Bonham Carter and the New York Times Web site. They list her as having been cast as Julia in the film - yet nowhere else is there any info to confirm it. Though a difference from the Kirsten Van Wagner situation is that Bonham Carter has repeatedly claimed that she hasn't even been asked to be in the film. So, beyond the notion that she frequently appears in Burton's films, just where is the NYT getting their info?
As for the IMDb requiring some sort of verification, the only thing I've ever noticed there is a link to one of the German Web sites that I referred to two weeks ago. But it still remains unclear to me if the IMDb listing came first of the German Web sites' reports did. There's no date for the IMDb entry.
Of course, none of that means that Bonham Carter won't eventually be asked or won't be in the film - or even that Kirsten Van Wagner won't be. It's just that these sites seem to each be operating with sources of info that are exclusively (and I use that term loosely) known only to them, so who can tell how reliable they are? That being said, though, the fact that Burton prefers to be so secretive could be the very reason why there hasn't been any corroboration. In fact, if there's any truth in either situation, it just might be that someone went against Burton's wishes and said something when they really shouldn't have.
The only thing we can be sure of is that the facts will come out - eventually...
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I've heard that if one has an IMDB Pro account, it's fairly easy to add information, ie., it is "believed". I still take all of these tidbits as rumors for now. Sometimes they do end up being correct. For what it's worth, when Sweeney Todd was in pre-production, we started hearing little ditzels of info from various unexpected places, such as the school that Jamie Campbell Bower and Ed Sanders attended (congratulating them on snagging their roles, of course!) And I think that we may have heard about Laura Michele Kelly from her record label site or something. And then gradually, things were confirmed. Since filming is still several months away I don't think it's at all unusual that we haven't heard anything specific about casting- I hope to start hearing a few names after the New Year.
Edited to add- it just occurred to me that Sweeney Todd is a special case because they actually did all their singing the month or two before filming began. So the roles may have had to be confirmed a little earlier. By the way, even though Johnny was heavily rumored to have a role in Alice In Wonderland (for the obvious reason that he's Tim's main muse), I don't believe that was confirmed until after filming had already started!
Cathy
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By the way, even though Johnny was heavily rumored to have a role in Alice In Wonderland (for the obvious reason that he's Tim's main muse), I don't believe that was confirmed until after filming had already started!
That's true. And it's very possible that we won't get publicly confirmed casting for the Depp/DS film until it's very close to production or also has already started shooting.
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I just discovered a Google alert to this article (http://www.showbiz-i.com/2010/12/20/i-dress-johnny-depp-add-spartacus-joke-here/) in my e-mail, and all I can say is "Finally!"
(Scoll down to the paragraph immediately under Depp's second photo)
One would presume that they're building the sets. But anything that they're doing is more than they had been doing. And one just hopes that Warner Brothers hasn't been paying for the studio space since we last heard they'd rented space more than two years ago back when they were hoping for the sadly aborted "late summer" '09 start. [b003]
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MB I think WB is just grateful that the movie is finally happening-fingers crossed of course. The NY Times also has the movie filming in the United Kingdom although Pinewood is not specifically mentioned. I think it added some studio executive names. That Kirsten actress is not mentioned so I guess everything is still up in the air with the casting.
http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/451864/Dark-Shadows/credits
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Back in early December '08 Richard Zanuck simply said that the film would be shooting in London - he didn't specifically mention Pinewood. Then again, he probably didn't have to considering that Burton always seems to work at Pinewood, so many fans (including our very own madscntst) speculated that Pinewood would most likely be the studio where the film would shoot. But shortly thereafter we learned that studio space had indeed been secured at Pinewood. And now we know that the film is finally prepping at Pinewood. Hallelujah!! [santa_thumb]
As for the NYT Web site, they've definitely recently added those exec names because they weren't listed there last week when I mentioned that Helena Bonham Carter was still listed as Julia, which I noticed is still there. Hmmm...
I also see that their specific indication that the film will shoot in England is: "Locations: United Kingdom". I would love for that to mean more than studio space and that actual United Kingdom locations will be used, particularly for something like the exterior of Collinwood. But time will tell. With Burton you never know what he has up his CGI sleeve...
(BTW, it's currently snowing here with the sun shining. Collinsport isn't the only place where the weather is weird! [santa_cheesy])
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Any one here going on a Pinewood Studios tour? jk I assume its workers' have to sign some type of confidentiality agreement and not even admit that DS will be filming there. But it is exciting that sets are now most likely being constructed. I also hope that they shoot exterior and on location shots. I wish the NY Times could at least spell the character Julia's name correctly. I guess we will soon learn about casting.
Oh you got snow already. I am not mentally prepared for snow. Crazy.
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Ha! I'd never even noticed that is says "Julie" and not "Julia". But at least it says "Barnabas" and not "Barnabus". [santa_wink]
(As for snow, it's been snowing here on and off since Sunday - but we still have only a dusting...)
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Apparently Japan is getting in on the act because now there's a Japanese Web site reporting that Kirsten Van Wagner will be in the Depp/DS film. [santa_cheesy]
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Depp is supposed to be on Letterman tonight (Monday, Dec. 27). Hopefully he'll ask about upcoming work and we might learn something!
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Unfortunately, it's a repeat from earlier this month.
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Unfortunately, it's a repeat from earlier this month.
Upon seeing it, I discovered that - but since I didn't know about the original, it was nice to see. Unfortunately nothing that particularly interested us, though!
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(http://i1035.photobucket.com/a432/albums/Richard--W/Kirsten.jpg)
Photo of Kirsten Van Wagner.
Since neither the actress nor her agency has denied the rumors, it's probably true.
She looks a little like Alexandre Moltke.
Is Burton casting look-alikes?
Richard
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Richard, a portion of the url of your Photobucket album is reversed, which is why the image isn't showing up in your post.
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That James guy is at it again. I agree with the writer that the Ms. Winters part may go to a more profile actress.
http://ramascreen.com/dark-shadows-casting-rumor-kirsten-van-wagner-as-victoria-winters/
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James certainly does get around. [santa_wink]
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I just picked up the new January 2011 issue of Vanity Fair, which has a cover story on Johnny. ...
Unfortunately, the whole article isn't online
The entire article is now available online. The DS references appear on page 1 (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2011/01/johnny-depp-201101?currentPage=1) and page 4 (http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/features/2011/01/johnny-depp-201101?currentPage=4) - but the entire article is definitely worth reading.
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That James guy is at it again.
Hmmm - it's interesting how some links to that article mention James' last name while others don't. [santa_cheesy]
And getting back to the subject James brought to Rama's SCREEN, apparently there's a second wave on the subject of Van Wagner's casting because several more reports have surfaced in the last day or two...
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Paul Reubens mentions the possiblity of working with Tim Burton again, one tiny namedrop of Dark Shadows:
http://www.dreadcentral.com/news/41644/exclusive-tim-burton-working-nightmare-christmas-sequel
a Nightmare Before Christmas sequel??!! [santa_undecided]
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I seriously doubt that is going to surface, especially after the very lackluster 'Corpse Bride.' There was also a sequel to Burton's 'Beetlejuice' that floated around for over a decade dying a slow death (not to mention what became of the 'Catwoman' spinoff which was once Burton's project.)
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The Toronto Star has published a list of 11 things they can't wait for in 2011 and the Depp/DS film is among them: 11 things* we can't wait for in 2011 (http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/article/914039--11-things-we-can-t-wait-for-in-2011)
As for Burton and a sequel to Nightmare Before Christmas, the news of that possibility is all over the Internet. But then we know how these things, whether true or not, spread like wildfire.
And yet more sites are reporting Kristen Van Wagner's casting as Vicki...
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The Toronto Star has published a list of 11 things they can't wait for in 2011 and the Depp/DS film is among them
Yippee!!! [8_2_59] Glad there's anticipation for this. I think that a 2011 release is a little optimistic, though. Both Sweeney Todd and The Tourist came out the same year they were filmed, but they both started a little earlier than April. And we don't know how many special effects this one might have. So it'd be pretty tight! But as long as it starts filming, that's all I care about for now!
Cathy
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I continue to be excited and very enthusiastic about Dark Shadows with Johnny Depp! :) Can't wait and I for one am keeping an open mind. Thanks for the new links....
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Apparently because she was born in Baltimore, I see where the Baltimore Sun newspaper's Web site is getting in on the act of reporting that Kirsten Van Wagner has been cast as Vicki. One wonders if they actually checked to make sure it's true or if they're simply relying on the IMDb and all the other reports. There really was a time when one could count on newspaper Web sites to check facts and that the info posted on them was accurate - but sadly, those days seem to be in the far distant past. (And it's not just newspapers because look at how often CNN has been duped and reported things from the Internet that have turned out not to have one shred of truth to them. [snow_rolleyes] Journalistic reporting has gone to hell...)
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Someone on FB posted that IMDb had removed Kirsten's name from its site. We are in the dark about the project as always.
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I see the casting is gone from both the listing for the film and from her own page. Fascinating. And all the more fascinating because we have no idea who put it up as well as who took it down - or where the hell her association with the part of Vicki came from in the first place...
I wonder if the Baltimore Sun will now be printing a retraction? I suspect it's not likely. ;) But wouldn't it be even more fascinating if Van Wagner actually did have the part but somehow lost it or withdrew...
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Always late catching up on my e-mail, and a couple of interesting mentions of the Depp/DS film:
Hey, Hollywood -- Get These 11 In-Development Movies Made By The End Of 2011, OK?! (http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/01/06/11-in-development-films-to-make-in-2011/)
Apparently the MTV Movies Blog is getting impatient. And funny how they seem to ignore the fact that none of the previous reported starts were ever announced by Warner Brothers in the trade papers, yet the April start was...
This one (http://thesearchforthelureofvampires.blogspot.com/2011/01/peoples-choice-awards-little.html) wonders if Johnny Depp's win at the People's Choice Awards over Robert Pattinson and Taylor Lautner of the Twilight films "foreshadows how much better Johnny Depp's vampire will be than the modern vampires on the big screen"?
Is that a rhetorical question? [snow_smiley]
And lastly:
The 20 Biggest Movie Stars in 2011 (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/biggest-movie-stars-of-2011/)
When it comes to Depp, this one says: "But his biggest headlines will probably occur as he dons fangs to shoot Dark Shadows for his longtime friend and collaborator, Tim Burton. Considering Depp and vampires are the hottest things going, the world may actually implode when hes first photographed in costume. At the very least, girls might start saying Edward who?"
Love it! Hopefully the world won't implode - but it will be a HUGE day in DS fandom when the first picture(s) is(are) released. [snow_wink]
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I am so excited! We have been discussing this on Facebook. My thoughts are even if the movie doesn't turn out to be wonderful it's going to bring great publicity to DS. I feel that it's going to revive our beloved fandom like the REVIVAL did. It brought some many new fans, like me, and it's going to bring attention to the original and I think that will get people interested in it. If I at 13 can fall in love with the original as well then I feel that younger fans of the new movie will as well. I feel like the movie will be great but I am just saying it's a win win situation. No publicity is bad publicity in my opinion! Can't wait....to hear and see more about this wonderful project. We should be so happy that our beloved DS was bought my an actor of Johnny's caliber. I am sure he paid a pretty penny for it. He is a fan and I feel he will do it justice. I know some are concerned about it being campy and not dark. However, I say take a look at SLEEP HOLLOW. Burton/Depp can do dark and I feel they will go this direction with DS.
Thanks for the links MB!
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Others may have seen this already, but I just discovered this mock trailer for the Depp/DS film on YouTube. It combines elements from the original as well as the '91 Series and avoids showing faces so as to maintain the illusion of being the real thing (and wisely uses footage from the '91 Series, so MPI probably won't be demanding it be taken down). Obviously it's not the real trailer, but it's definitely gotten me psyched for the real thing. [snow_wink]
Check out: Dark Shadows Mock Movie Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GelRz12AZcI)
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The article says that Depp is now free to turn his attention to DS - but with almost five months before DS begins production, why do I suspect Depp might fit something in beforehand (film, voice, narration, who knows what)? Could it be that the man seems like a workaholic? [wink2]
As to what Johnny could possibly do with his time between now and April, that is a question that we fans are certainly asking ourselves right now [hall2_grin] Some known/possible activities:
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Keith Richards documentary that Johnny is directing- I'd like to see him use this time to get this done!
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According to this article, it would seem that's exactly what he's doing:
Johnny Depp talks Keith Richards documentary (http://gordonandthewhale.com/johnny-depp-talks-keith-richards-documentary/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=johnny-depp-talks-keith-richards-documentary)
And as this article points out, with DS coming up, it would seem likely that Depp will shoot any additional footage with Richards before DS begins shooting.
And here's the complete Entertainment Weekly piece: Johnny Depp talks about filming his Keith Richards documentary: 'It was intense' - EXCLUSIVE (http://music-mix.ew.com/2011/01/14/johnny-depp-keith-richards-documentary/)
(No mention of DS in this article, though.)
Also, apparently Depp is on the cover of EW once again - this time for the 2011 Preview issue. Unfortunately mine didn't arrive in the mail today, so I have no idea if he says anything about DS in his article...
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Also, apparently Depp is on the cover of EW once again - this time for the 2011 Preview issue. Unfortunately mine didn't arrive in the mail today, so I have no idea if he says anything about DS in his article...
I skimmed through one & didn't see him discussing it. On the side article, there's just a small mention of it as one of his upcoming movies, with the filming beginning in April.
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Thanks, Sara. [snow_smiley] And that's actually more than I was expecting because I was expecting it all to be strictly about Pirates 4...
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Just saw where Colleen Atwood won a Critics Choice Award tonight for Best Costumes for Alice in Wonderland. She seems to have racked up quite a few nominations/awards for her designs, so it would seem we're in good hands with her doing the costumes for the Depp/DS film...
And speaking of awards, most predictions are saying Depp should win a Golden Globe on Sunday for his role as The Mad Hatter in Alice in Wonderland. I suppose we'll see...
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^^^ I hope so! The only possible problem is that his two nominations might split the vote, leaving it open for someone else (I think I've seen Paul Giamatti's name the most after Johnny's). Luckily, Johnny doesn't care that much about awards, and I think having to be there makes him kinda uncomfortable. That said, I hope he'll be there, and I hope he'll win!
Colleen Atwood is a goddess, and she always makes Johnny look great, so I can't wait to see what she comes up with for DS. I'm so glad she won for Alice In Wonderland. A bit off this topic but DS-related-- I did watch the Critics Choice awards last night, and was thrilled to see David Selby in one of the Social Network clips they chose to show [snow_cool]
Cathy
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A brief mention of the DS movie in this video clip uploaded today-sounds good "hearing" it .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jv7J30AW-A
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sounds good "hearing" it
Definitely. It sounds great hearing it from someone's mouth other than one of our own. [wink2] And hopefully it's but the first of many mentions we'll soon be hearing.
Thanks for posting the link. [snow_smiley]
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if this film starts in April, shouldn't they be casting other roles by now?
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They may very well be. But a lot of times casting announcements are not made until a movie is just about to go into production or even just starting production. It could still be months before we hear anything - well, anything that's confirmed. Of course, rumors (similar to the one involving Kirsten Van Wagner as Vicki) may run rampant long before then - and some may even turn out to be true... And for what it's worth, the NYT is certainly sticking to their belief that Helena Bonham Carter will be playing Julia. [wink2] And an interesting thing about that is that (unlike the possibility of Van Wagner's casting) no other sites seem to have picked up and run with it. But I suppose the IMDb is more high profile than the NYT's film production area, so who knows how many people other than us are even paying attention to the NYT's listings for DS? [idontknow]
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Thanks for the clip, jimbo. I get a little skittish when I hear about POTC 5&6... thinking that maybe they should see how 4 does, first! [snow_cheesy] Great to hear DS being mentioned regularly, now. David Elijah, I was thinking that we ought to start hearing some casting news after the New Year, and, well, it's after the New Year! So I'm hoping to start hearing something soon. Trying to be patient....
Cathy
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I'm hoping to start hearing something soon.
From your typing fingers to the movie's press release department! [lghy]
Trying to be patient....
Which is not always easy - especially considering that we're basically ravenous for even a small tidbit of confirmed info...
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I see where the Tim Burton produced Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, based on Seth Grahame-Smith's book with screenplay by him, has been set for release by FOX on June 22, 2012 (Actors Testing For Abe in 'Vampire Hunter' (http://www.deadline.com/2011/01/actors-testing-for-abe-in-vampire-hunter/)). I'm not quite sure if that's good, bad or completely inconsequential news - especially because we have no idea when Warner Bros. plans to release the Depp/DS film (or even if they've even settled on a release date yet). If the film comes out after the Depp/DS film, then it's certainly completely inconsequential news. But if it comes out first, it could have a bearing on how audiences/critics view the Depp/DS film, particularly if AL:VH doesn't turn out so well and/or doesn't do well at the boxoffice. Going in there could be an unfair attitude that, because Burton/Grahame-Smith's first collaboration turned out badly, the Depp/DS film could easily turn out to be bad as well. But even if AL:VH does turn out well and rakes in a boatload of money at the boxoffice, that can be a double-edged sword because then, and even though the Depp/DS film is bound to be a very different take on the vampire genre from what AL:VH will be doing, audiences/critics are bound to compare the two - and it's that sort of comparison that could easily affect the Depp/DS film's reception/boxoffice.
It would be nice to believe that each film, regardless of which comes out first, will be judged completely independently of the other. But it's much more often the case that films are often judged and weighed against the previous efforts of those involved. And considering that AL:VH and the Depp/DS film will no doubt have similarities even beyond dealing with the subject of vampires and that Burton and Grahame-Smith are involved in some way with both, comparison is not only likely, it's inevitable. So, it's going to be fascinating to see how things play out. The best case scenario would be that if AL:VH comes out first, it becomes such a big hit that people who might not have otherwise will anticipate and embrace the Depp/DS film in ways that will turn out to make it one of the biggest hits of the year, eclipsing AL:VH. [b003]
Changing reels, you'll note that the linked article says that AL:VH has been focused on casting since November. However so far as I've noticed there hasn't been any sort of casting news released. And that just goes to show that a similar situation can easily be going on with the Depp/DS film. It's quite possible that it's been screen testing/casting for months already. Just because we haven't heard any confirmed info, it doesn't necessarily mean that some if not many of the roles haven't already been cast...
(And I must say I'm fascinated by some of the actors who are screen testing for Abe. I wouldn't have pictured any of them in the film. But if I'm to go by the caliber of actors being considered, apparently the film will be different from what I might have imagined. And at least that's a good thing from the perspective of what Seth Grahame-Smith's screenplay writing may be like...)
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Just saw where Colleen Atwood won a Critics Choice Award tonight for Best Costumes for Alice in Wonderland. She seems to have racked up quite a few nominations/awards for her designs, so it would seem we're in good hands with her doing the costumes for the Depp/DS film...
And what if it were set in the '60s...
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Atwood has designed for all different time periods, fantasy and reality, and even the future - and her designs have been nominated for various awards dozens of times, including the Oscars, where she's won twice (for Chicago and Memoirs of a Geisha). I suspect designing for the '60s wouldn't be a problem for her. ;)
However, and I don't exactly know why, but I get the suspicion that the Depp/DS film will be set in the present, meaning the '10s rather than the '60s...
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Oh, I know, MB. I guess I should have made it clearer that I was thinking about all of the possibilities if it were in the '60s in terms of costumes. The movie would just have to be great! [snow_bigglass]
But, yeah, I suspect it will be in the present day today, as opposed to the "present." ;)
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The sets apparently haven't been built yet as the set designer has just been hired in this new article but then again just because he was just named doesn't mean he didn't start on the set some time ago(?). His name is not indicated at the IMDb website Dark Shadows page. News is certainly scarce on this project for sure.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/scifimediazone/news/?a=28230
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I really liked the production design of Sleepy Hollow, one of Rick Heinrichs' past collaborations with Tim Burton, but I loved his work in The Wolfman. So, the news of Heinrichs' addition to the Depp/DS film's team already has me imagining what the film and the sets are going to look like. And if his design turns out anywhere near as great as his work in those two films did, I'll be quite happy. [bigok]
I'm getting more excited than I already was - and that's saying something because I've been really excited. [banana]
(Hmmm - it's been almost two months since I watched the Director's Cut Blu-ray of The Wolfman (a Black Friday Sale Christmas gift to myself [wink2]), but I seem to recall there being quite a bit about the production design in the Special Features, so more than likely Heinrichs appears. I'll definitely have to pull out the disc and check it out later tonight...)
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The article from Variety that revealed Heinrichs' signing onto the Depp/DS film: Bookings & Signings (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118030408?categoryid=3683). Not that it says anything more than that his agency has signed him on. ;)
And another article that could be interesting to check out on Variety's site is: 'Wolfman' a visual treat (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118015266?refCatId=1236). Heinrichs is interviewed for the peice.
(And even though this is more OT than not, I have to say that if you've only seen the theatrical release version of The Wolfman, you haven't really seen the film. The Director's Cut is much, much better and fleshes out the story and characters with over 16 minutes of additional footage, much of which changes the beginning of the film. And the scene between Emily Blunt and Anthony Hopkins when their characters eye each other at the staircase - whoa! Not to mention the Special Features contains two alternate endings - one of which radically changes the ending of the film...)
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Thanks MB for the linked articles. The website I had linked in my previous post did not reflect its source but it was still great to see. I also liked the Wolfman article. It seems we may actually have a real house for Collinwood and the Old House (instead of CGI and/or on the stage creations) if Heinrich does location scouting as he did for Wolfman which is also time consuming.. I didn't realize that 4 months of editing was needed plus additional shooting. I hope they are still on schedule for the April shooting. It's hard to imagine that the DS movie could be released late this year but I am still hopeful. I did see Wolfman and the main thing that impressed me was the atmosphere and production design.
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It seems we may actually have a real house for Collinwood and the Old House (instead of CGI and/or on the stage creations) if Heinrich does location scouting as he did for Wolfman
I would love that to be the case. [pray] And quite possibly Heinrichs would love it too. But it's not entirely his decision. Locations versus studio sets/CGI has a lot to do with what the director/producers want to do, what the script may require take place in certain settings and the logistics of shooting it, as well as how the budget has to be allocated.
It's hard to imagine that the DS movie could be released late this year but I am still hopeful.
While it's probably not impossible, it's also probably not likely that the Depp/DS film will come out this year. A 2012 release date seems much more likely. And considering that the world might end sometime in 2012 [b003], let's hope Warner Bros. schedules the release before then. [lghy] But seriously, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the film isn't released until after AL:VH, which is why I wrote the post that I did the other day. But as hard as it is to believe at the moment with so little info coming out, some day we will actually learn what Warner Bros. thinking is and when they've decided is the best time to release the film. Until then all we can do is wonder...
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MB I do agree with your thinking. I just hope WB is so very excited about the DS movie that it may want it released in 2011 independent of the other releases. Can Heinrichs do all of the advance location scouting and create all the sets all by April? It does sound time consuming. I am excited about Heinrich's body of work.
http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=26107
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Following the pattern of reports that Johnny Depp is in talks to play EVERYONE & EVERYTHING in upcoming movies:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Robert-Downey-Jr-Bails-On-Oz-Great-And-Powerful-Johnny-Depp-Stepping-In-22724.html
One tiny mention of Dark Shadows. The other day, I also saw an article stating he was going to play Tonto in an upcoming Lone Ranger movie.
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I just hope WB is so very excited about the DS movie that it may want it released in 2011 independent of the other releases.
If only it was simply a case that a studio is excited so they release a film as soon as its completed. But studios are much more concerned with getting the maximum bang for their buck than they are in rushing a film to release. They want their films to generate the biggest boxoffice possible. And to do that they have who knows how many people who slavishly research which types of films do best at which times of the year - and they'll also take into consideration the films with known upcoming release dates. Deciding when to release a film is akin to playing in a very high stakes chess game - and if a studio makes the wrong move, it can cost dearly. That's often why you'll see a film switch an already announced release date. When one studio originally announces a release date, they're not always aware that another studio's film will be coming out close to their film's announced date or even on the same date. Studio's will often play chicken with one another to see if the other will blink, so when/if a studio pulls their film from one release date in favor of another, it's often because they blinked, surrendered the date to the other studio's film, and decided to release their film when it won't have to deal with competition from the other studio's film. All of which leads us to the elephant in the room coming up this fall: The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part One. I'd almost bet that Warner' Bros. doesn't want the Depp/DS film anywhere near that film, and it comes out November 18th. I would think it would be very hard if not impossible for the Depp/DS film to come out first with sufficient enough time between it and TTS:BD-P1. And even if the Depp/DS film was to come out afterward at some point in December, TTS:BD-P1 will still be in play, especially considering that many Twihards go to see the films much more than once. And Warner Bros. will definitely want to attract some of those Twihards to the Depp/DS film - and the best way to do that is well after TTS:BD-P1 has already run its course...
Can Heinrichs do all of the advance location scouting and create all the sets all by April? It does sound time consuming
He can certainly do location scouting by then. But the sets don't necessarily all have to be completed by the start of shooting in April. Movies often start with location shooting first and then move to the studio. And even once the move to the studio is made, it's often the case that all the scenes that take place on one set are shot, then all the scenes for the next set, and so on and so forth...
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Thanks MB for explaining how they film scenes on the sets. Interesting stuff.
I would still like the movie to be released in 2011 only because if WB believes the DS movie to be a Christmas release date then we have to wait almost two years to see the movie. I see Frankenweenie's release date has been pushed back to October I believe 2012. Let all of the games begin. jk It's going to be an interesting call by WB to make regarding the DS movie especially if they want it to be a franchise series.
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if WB believes the DS movie to be a Christmas release date then we have to wait almost two years to see the movie.
Christmas might have been a great time to release it. But this year The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part One will still be very much in play - and next year The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Part Two will still be in play (it's being released on November 12, 2012), so I'm not seeing the Depp/DS film then either.
It's going to be an interesting call by WB to make regarding the DS movie especially if they want it to be a franchise series.
A very interesting call! To me the Depp/DS film seems likes it should be a fall release, and since TTS:BD-P2 already has from November 12th onward of 2012 sewn up, I suspect Warner Bros. *may* be looking toward a September/October release date. Though if they're not thinking fall, another time when studios release their prestige/tent pole films is Late-March/April/May. I don't see it as a summer film at all. However, there is such a thing as counter strategy, meaning releasing the type of film that wouldn't ordinarily be released in the summer to try to attract the audience that wouldn't necessarily go to summer films. But that often backfires - so I really wouldn't want to see Warner Bros. do that. But, of course, it's not up to me. [wink2]
The one thing that is certain is that Summit has really been smart in picking the release dates for their two Breaking Dawn films because they no doubt have the other studios scrambling to decide when they want to release their films that otherwise might have come out in November of 2011 and 2012. Sleepy Hollow was released in November, and November also feels like it could have been the perfect time to release the Depp/DS film. But alas...
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Wow what a chess game this is. The 2012 announced movie release date schedule looks full already. http://www.movieinsider.com/movies/-/2012/ and 2011 as well http://www.movieinsider.com/movies/-/2011/
I would like to be a fly on the wall at these WB executive meetings.
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The 2012 announced movie release date schedule looks full already.
Though not much has been scheduled for September/October 2012 yet - and what has been wouldn't be competition for the Depp/DS film. Well, unless it's going to be a very different film from what we're expecting (meaning romance/horror/dark fantasy and not much comedy).
I would like to be a fly on the wall at these WB executive meetings.
I suspect many of us would like to be. [b003]
(Hmmm - I wonder how much it would cost to hire a private detective to bug the offices? We could pool our money, and... Wait, what am I saying?! That would be illegal. Bad, bad, MB! ... BUT... [vryevl])
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The unethical fly. jk I am sure there are many who would do the job. I'm still hoping for a 2011 release but I do realize the arguments against that happening.
Don't understand why MTV thinks the Oz movie situation may effect the DS movie.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/01/21/robert-downey-jr-drops-oz-the-great-and-powerful-johnny-depp/
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That MTV article is pretty weird. I mean, the Depp/Burton DS is "finally getting into development"??? How about "finally getting into production" and out of development hell! Since an April start date has been reported pretty widely, I think the chances of Depp abandoning DS for the Oz movie are slim-to-none, with the emphasis on the latter.
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I think the chances of Depp abandoning DS for the Oz movie are slim-to-none, with the emphasis on the latter.
I agree. Depp doesn't strike me as the type of person to ignore the fact that the ball has already begun rolling and people have already been hired for DS. I don't see him saying to hell with them, I'm going to go do another film instead. The MTV piece strikes me as the same sort of article that was widely posted a couple months back speculating that Depp might abandon/postpone the DS film in favor of doing Katherine Bigelow's Triple Frontier. And we all know that even though Depp said he would have loved to do that film and to work with Tom Hanks, he's committed to DS as his next film. I sometimes think some of these sites simply speculate for the sake of filling up space in their articles and without any concern as to whether or not what they're writing could or would actually happen...
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And speaking of location scouting: Tim Burton pays Ilfracombe a visit in Harrods helicopter (http://www.ilfracombepeople.co.uk/groups/town/Tim-Burton-pays-Ilfracombe-visit-Harrods/story-10571429-detail/story.html)
If the accompanying photo is any indication, Ilfracombe looks like it could make for a great Collinsport.
(Thanks to collinwood.net for the heads up. [snow_smiley])
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Don't understand why MTV thinks the Oz movie situation may effect the DS movie.
This one (http://www.reelzchannel.com/movie-news/8928/robert-downey-jr-leaves-oz-the-great-and-powerful-johnny-depp-to-replace) speculates that if Disney really wants Depp for the OZ film, it would likely shoot after DS and Disney would push The Lone Ranger back. That makes a hell of a lot more sense.
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As you say, never take a blog report too literally [snow_wink] This Oz rumor came out of the blue, and even though it originally came from the Hollywood Reporter, it was a blog there, and I'm not really convinced it's real (other than the part about Downey leaving the film). I'm kind of hoping it's not true. I think Johnny would make a great Oz, but on top of Willy Wonka and the Mad Hatter (not to mention Tonto) it is getting to be too many children's literature characters! Either way, there is no way that Johnny would let it interfere with DS, especially since he's producing DS, after all! With the location scouting and production design in place, all seems to be moving forward very well on DS-- I'm sure they're casting, too, only we just don't know about it yet [snow_cheesy]
One thing that is apparently true, though, is that Johnny is doing/did a cameo for an Adam Sandler film (of all things!) called Jack and Jill. He was spotted on the set earlier this week, and Regis Philbin (who's in the film) apparently dropped Johnny's name during his TV show. One rumor has it that the cameo is of Johnny and Al Pacino at an LA Lakers game. We'll see. Strange choice, though!
I love that photo of the possible DS location. I was still hoping that at least some of the outdoor filming would take place in New England, but I guess we're not even sure if they are keeping the locale in New England. There's so much more I want to know!!!
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I'm hesitant to post this because we don't even know if illfracombe will be "playing" Collinsport in the Depp/DS film - but after seeing the photos in the following gallery and falling in love with the loacation, I can't stop myself. [snow_cheesy]
Check out: Ilfracombe Galleries (http://www.bbc.co.uk/devon/content/image_galleries/illfracombe_gallery.shtml?8)
(Especially #4, #5, #6 and #8. The perfect "fishing village." And those cliffs!)
It's easy to see why it's under consideration...
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I was still hoping that at least some of the outdoor filming would take place in New England, but I guess we're not even sure if they are keeping the locale in New England.
I was hoping against hope that they would pick an American house. But, as long as it looks American in the strange way that the Carey Mansion does, I can go with a British estate. (On the border about the CGI stuff - would be okay if they reproduced the Carey Mansion, though.) And I can go with them using a British fishing town as Collinsport. But I cannot go for Collinsport and/or Collinwood's script location not being in the American state of Maine.
In regards to Ilfracombe, I can see it. Edit out that theatre, and a few of the taller buildings, and we should be good. Honestly, if it was less dense, it wouldn't need any computer work done to it. And how about placing Collinwood atop the hill on the far right: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ilfracombe.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ilfracombe.jpg)
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First of all the pictures are absolutely breathtaking! :) WONDERFUL! I have fallen in love as well MB! However,I have changed my tune since visiting Seaview. I wish they would use it so that it would help bring more revenue into the house. Neverthless, I am still open to new and fresh ideas. So I will be happy to see a new house as well. I understand that it isn't always best to visit the past, but when one goes to that magical place one really wants them to use it. Again let me be clear though I am excited to see the a new COLLINWOOD in Johnny's picture. I just have setimental feelings toward Seaview now! I guess this sounds like a total oxymoron but it's the way I feel. It's kind of like being pulled in two directions! I think a new house espeically in England will capture what we need for the film. The Collins family apparently came from England if the story goes somewhat like the Revival scenario!
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Thanks for the photos MB. I think even TB was impressed. I do wish for outdoor and in house shooting along with the onstage shooting and hoping that they don't use just the exteriors of the new Collinwood in the movie.. Are there any gothic looking mansions in ilfracombe? I like how they shot some scenes at Greystone in the 1991 series. I wish that they filmed interior shots at Seaview in the o/s. The Seaview estate would be a great choice for the movie but it seems TB and company want to put their own stamp on their version of how Collinwood should look like. I thank our friends on the other side for the update and hope they continue providing same.
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It's been known since December '08 that the Depp/DS film will shoot in England. And even before it was officially mentioned, many fans strongly suspected as much because that's been Burton's MO for well over a decade. The big unknown that still remains is will the exterior of Collinwood be CGI or a real house. And we can't even judge that by the hiring of Rick Heinrichs as the Production Designer because even though he used a real house for exteriors in The Wolfman, a CGI house was used for his Oscar winning design for Sleepy Hollow. I suppose a lot of it will come down to what the backstory of Collinwood is in the film as well as whether or not they can find a real house that represents what Heinrichs, Burton, et al. are picturing as Collinwood, or if they have to create it digitally. One good thing - there are certainly many perfectly appropriate Tudor style mansions in England if they want to go with a look/backstory similar to the '91 Series - or even Gothic style mansions if they want to go with a look similar to hoDS. Or they might even have a totally different style mansion in mind. Only time will tell.
If they go with a real English mansion, I'd prefer Tudor. But so long as it's huge enough to give the impression that much of it is closed off and hasn't been in use for years and years, I can accept almost any sort of style that would be architecturally appropriate for whatever backstory they come up with...
And speaking of mansions in England, the photo of Antony that's linked to in the IlfracombePeople piece makes it look like it could easily "play" the Old House. I'm only judging by that photo, but Antony looks very much like the type of mansion that could have been built in New England between 1700 and 1780.
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The Antony 18th century mansion could easily play the Old House in the movie. I think too much CGI takes away from a movie or tv show like it did imo in the 2004 DS pilot re: the Old House.
I think this video taken at Ilfracombe reminds me of an old tv show. jk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySMiqvjsAyk&NR=1
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Wow, looks like test footage for the opening credits! Cue Danny Elfman's update on Bob Cobert's DS theme... [snow_clown]
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Definitely, KMR. And I can already picture Collinwood sitting perfectly atop the cliff in photo #8. Now all we need is for Burton et al. to actually pick Ilfracombe. [wink2]
Speaking of which, I was looking through some of the links on the Ilfracombe Galleries Web site and came across another Web site that has links to the Web sites for the various mansions located in the Devon/Cornwall area. Who knows if Burton et al. are even thinking of looking for a suitable Collinwood there so as to possibly be close to Ilfracombe (if indeed they do decide to shoot there), but the pickings are slim. Not that there aren't some great houses there, there are. But there's really only one that could be suitable for Collinwood because it's a Tudor. The others, like Antony, are either Georgian, or a style (like Victorian) that's much too late for Collinwood - well, too late for the backstories that have been used for the house previously. One of the Georgian mansions is HUGE, but Georgians are more suited to the era of the Old House - and if the Old House was as huge as that mansion is, there would have been no reason to ever build Collinwood. [wink2] Plus I somehow doubt the Collins would build Collinwood in a Georgian style (which derives its name from England's Kings George I through George IV) when the colonies had so recently fought a war against England. [b003]
But anyway, this is about the only mansion in the area (so far as the Web site links listed) that could serve as Collinwood:
National Trust | Cotehele (http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/main/w-vh/w-visits/w-findaplace/w-cotehele.htm)
Cotehele House (http://www.photofilecornwall.co.uk/cornwall_housescastles/cotehele/)
Cotehele (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotehele) (Be sure to click on the two photos to see much larger versions.)
Though because it's a Mediaeval Tudor, the Depp/DS film would most probably need to go with a similar backstory as the '91 Series, that Collinwood had originally been built in England and then disassembled and moved to Collinsport.
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Speaking of Bob Cobert. I cannot reveal the name (I know that sounds like I am making this up) but I have a friend in fandom who had worked with Bob Cobert. Bob took him under his wing and even wrote him some music for one of his college exams. Anyhow...he told me a couple of months ago that Depp/Burton have been in talks with Bob for months. I wish they would get Bob to collaborate but I don't know if they will or not.
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Just saw where Colleen Atwood won a Critics Choice Award tonight for Best Costumes for Alice in Wonderland. She seems to have racked up quite a few nominations/awards for her designs
And I see that she's secured yet another Oscar nomination...
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Fascinating. I have actually been to Cotehele... wonderful memories.
G.
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Speaking of Bob Cobert. I cannot reveal the name (I know that sounds like I am making this up) but I have a friend in fandom who had worked with Bob Cobert. Bob took him under his wing and even wrote him some music for one of his college exams. Anyhow...he told me a couple of months ago that Depp/Burton have been in talks with Bob for months. I wish they would get Bob to collaborate but I don't know if they will or not.
IT would be awesome if Cobert would score, but didn't MB say something about Cobert not having direct involvement? I think I recall this back when it was confirmed the theme would be used. Maybe that will change. I'd love to hear Cobert's music brought into the 21st century by the same mind that made all of our favorites in the last!
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didn't MB say something about Cobert not having direct involvement?
Yes, Cobert himself said at the '10 Fest that he's happily retired and wouldn't be working on the Depp/DS film. But if Depp/Burton are trying to lure him out of retirement, well, who knows what may happen? I love Cobert's scores - but I've also been impressed by Danny Elfman's scores - so I'll probably be happy regardless of how things turn out...
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I think that I would be happy if Bob was perhaps a Music Consultant or something to that effect. Don't get me wrong I would love for him to score the movie; however, if he is happily retired and doesn't want the work load it would be nice to know he is working closely with Danny to mesh their respective styles together! :) Nevertheless, Bob always talks very funnily about not having to go to the set and just recording his music and collecting royalties. I am sure he will love this project since he can just kick back and watch the royalty checks come in! Again though I would like for him to consult. As they way they would say it on DS, "We will see, WE...WILL...SEEE!!!" BAH BAH BUUUUUUUUMMMMMM!
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Yes, Cobert himself said at the '10 Fest that he's happily retired and wouldn't be working on the Depp/DS film. But if Depp/Burton are trying to lure him out of retirement, well, who knows what may happen?
Yes, he said he didn't need the money or aggravation ("Why knock myself out?"), yet said it's not out of the realm of possibility ("But I might") if he were asked to do it.
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I was just thinking that this movie is starting to shoot in April, a good Month for Barnabas. [snow_wink]
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There is an interesting note on JF website.
http://jonathanfrid.com/
We will now wonder what this means.
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Ah, very intriguing. I'm sure they've asked him to participate in some capacity.
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That is cool. I think that it's very cool that Frid is going to be participating in the new DS. Hopefully he will bring some "luck" to the movie as he did with DS. I am not the biggest Frid fan but I do give the man props for his contribution to DS although I think Laura doesn't get her due, but that is for another post. It's also cool that the movie will start shooting in April! Another good sign!?
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Thanks cousin loril54 for your post. That is great news that Mr. Frid has been asked to contribute to the new DS movie. He has a lot to offer!
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This report comes from the English tabloid The Sun, so believe of it what you will, but according to them Depp is on a green tea diet to lose weight to play Barn:
Johnny Depp's got diet down to a tea (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/film/3376446/Johnny-Depps-got-diet-down-to-a-tea.html)
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And Featuring Jonathan "Barnabas" Frid as the Caretaker! --- Just speculation.
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I see that Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter has cast its lead and will begin shooting in March. And while that really has no bearing on the Depp/DS film, one thing that may is Variety's report that AL:VH will be shooting in 3D. So, despite some recent setbacks/disappointments at the boxoffice with 3D films, obviously Burton hasn't given up on the idea of 3D, so that could mean that the Depp/DS film is still slated to shoot in 3D as well.
I'm still not sure what I think of DS in 3D...
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This report comes from the English tabloid The Sun, so believe of it what you will, but according to them Depp is on a green tea diet to lose weight to play Barn:
Thanks for this tidbit, MB! Reports like this just make it sound all the more certain that filming really will begin this spring!
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It's definitely exciting to see that Frid will be involved in a "modest way" with the new DS film. I've been out of the DS loop for a bit now, and I just found the news that the film will begin shooting in April, which is exciting. I'm interested to see what the product of the filmmakers efforts will be, and if DS will appeal to the highly romanticized young adult crowd that is currently going gaga over vampire stories at this point in time.
It's amazing to me how only a few years ago vamps seemed to be on the outs but thanks to Twilight all of a sudden they're the shiznit at again.
Now all I have to do is work up the courage to actually go to the theater when this film comes out and sit through everyone's eating noises and cellphone clicking.
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Well, I've had my first dream about the Depp/DS film. At least I think it was my first dream because I don't remember dreaming about the film before. And if it wasn't my first dream, I wish I didn't remember this one either because it was a nightmare. A doozie of a nightmare! And that's the only reason I'm posting about it.
It started off with someone involved with the film posting an entire scene online. Sounds good in theory, but it was this weird rambling scene involving Kristen Stewart (of the Twilight movies), Oliver Platt (probably best known for his running characters on The West Wing and Nip/Tuck) and Deep Roy (the actor who played all the Oompa Loompas in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory) in some abandoned warehouse going on and on about how they had to leave town but they didn't know where they were going to go. It was like someone had written a really bad version of a scene out of a Harold Pinter play, and we had absolutely no idea what any of it had to do with DS.
But as bad (and boring) as that was to see, it was soon followed up by an official release of a scene that turned out to be what I suspect could be most fans' worst Tim Burton nightmare for the film: a musical sequence in which Barnabas' rejuvenation after attacking Willie is accompanied by singing and dancing skeletons and, wait for it, clowns! I can't even begin to describe how awful it was - but we were all completely horrified - though for all the wrong reasons. But the worst part of it was how emaciated Depp looked even after Barn had rejuvenated. We figured at least that had to be some sort of special make up effect - but the truth of it leads to the third part -
As if all of that wasn't bad enough, we next learned that Depp had been rushed from Pinewood Studios to a London hospital because he'd taken his green tea diet too far and had collapsed on the set. Burton was quoted as saying he didn't understand how it could have happened because Depp looked fine to him. But the truth of the matter was that Depp looked 10 times more emaciated than Christian Bale did in The Machinist (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.mamapop.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/christian-bale-the-machinist.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.mamapop.com/2010/10/software-possibly-spells-fatsuit.html/christian-bale-the-machinist&h=300&w=480&sz=64&tbnid=herZ_p1xeim6TM:&tbnh=81&tbnw=129&prev=/images%3Fq%3DThe%2BMachinist&zoom=1&q=The+Machinist&usg=__9gKrJIzmu7gvNtP1ioakbKjTV3E=&sa=X&ei=mzVITfWhLdPOgAf34bCbBg&ved=0CEkQ9QEwAg)!!
Thankfully I woke up right then. And the first thing I asked myself was, "What the hell was that?!" But I may never get this one image out of my head:
(http://www.dsboards.com/skeleton.gif)(http://www.dsboards.com/dancing-clowns.gif)(http://www.dsboards.com/skeleton2.gif)
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Speaking of Depp's green tea diet, apparently it has helped to inspired this poll: The Top Ten Extreme Roles (http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2011/02/christian-bale-tops-most-extre.html)
Not at all a surprise that Christian Bale in The Machinist tops the list. But let's hope Depp doesn't make any future version of the poll for his appearance in the DS film...
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A doozie of a nightmare!
Oh dear [snow_wow] Ya know, Johnny did say in interviews that he's afraid of clowns, but... nah... this just CAN'T be the plot of the movie [snow_tongue] Anyway, no offense or anything, MB, but I hope they come up with something a little better :D
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No offense taken. Heaven forbid that the Depp/DS film should be anything like that dream! :o It would be worse than a nightmare because it would be real...
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Shame on you, MB. I was reading the board at work today and had to bite the insides of my cheeks to keep from bursting out laughing when I read your description of your dream. [stfl]
ProfStokes
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Oh my gosh, MB, I am laughing so hard! OK, maybe Jonathan Frid's cameo appearance will be as a dancing clown... LOL!!!
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Well MB at least you didn't dream up another dream curse j/k I can't remember my last DS dream but I am sure I had them. Wish I had one like you did.
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Dancing skeletons and clowns are very Burton. I hope that was just a dream and not a premonition!
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Casting talks have started
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031422?refCatId=13
http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/jackie-earle-haley-and-bella-heathcoate-in-dark-shadows-talks/
Not sure what I think of the possible Willie Loomis actor
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Dancing skeletons and clowns are very Burton.
Which is why the dream was such a nightmare! It's exactly the sort of thing Burton does do.
I hope that was just a dream and not a premonition!
You, me, and I suspect everyone else here.
But hmmm - perhaps Frid could be playing one of the dancing clowns...
Nah - he would certainly have the good sense not to agree to anything like that... [whew]
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Very interesting that according to what's in Variety they would appear to be going with the Maggie/Josette angle rather than Vicki/Josette. One has to wonder if that could mean that Vicki won't even be a character in the film? And if so. that would make the whole Kirsten Van Wagner saga even more bizarre than it already was...
Though now I see that deadline.com is identifying the part as Vicki. Odd. Well, unless they're totally revamping Vicki and instead of being the Collins governess, she'll be a Collinsport waitress.
But regardless of whether she's Vicki or Maggie, it honestly doesn't surprise me that they're seriously considering going with a relative unknown for the female lead. I thought they might go with a British actress - but Australian isn't that far off (though I suspect the Brits and Aussies would probably disagree [b003]).
As for the potential Willie, Jackie Earle Haley is an excellent actor and I can definitely see him as Willie even though his casting would make Willie older than previous incarnations. But I would much rather have an excellent actor in any of the roles than see someone less talented cast simply because of their age.
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I see that several reports are cropping up online with the casting news, which is no surprise. Though what is a bit surprising is none are citing Variety and all seem to be citing deadline.com, which means all are describing the female lead as a governess rather than what Variety is reporting:
"Heathcote would play a local waitress, whom Collins takes a shine to because of her resemblance to his long-lost love. "
Someone is obviously wrong...
Also, I forgot to mention earlier that it's interesting to see Variety considering that DS has the potential to solve a problem for Warner Bros.: the need for a franchise to replace the waning Harry Potter series. But even though, as Variety also reports, neither Burton or Depp has talked of franchising DS, someone connected with the film most definitely did discuss franchising. Was it Richard Zanuck? I forget already...
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Wow...I was looking forward to seeing this film but now not so much.
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Well, it may be too early to believe that it really is Maggie over Vicki, or that Maggie is becoming a Vicki clone (rather than Maggie becoming a Vicki clone on the daytime series.) Something is definitely wrong somewhere. And normally I would say that Variety is the one to get its facts straight. But deadline.com has proven that its reports about the film have been very accurate in the past. Perhaps one or the other is simply making assumptions as to the description of the female lead character's profession while the other has it right. And we all know how dangerous it is to assume.
Obviously she's not a governess and a waitress. But only time will tell whether Variety or deadline.com has it right...
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I've enjoyed Mr. Haley's work since Breaking Away, and he's be great as Willie!!
http://www.slashfilm.com/jackie-earle-haley-bella-heathcoate-talks-dark-shadows/
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I think he looks too old and she looks like she's 15. :(
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She's either 22 or 23. A May 10, 2010 online article about her says she was 22 then, but I have no idea when her birthday is.
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And where and when were the casting audition calls published? Oh I was just wondering if it was an industry rule that some parts had to have open auditions not that I would be interested in one. j/k I am ok with Heathcote as Vicky the Governess/Josette. I am still debating if Haley is a good casting call for the Loomis role. Yes I would take a "better" actor than one who is younger and less talented. However there must be many young actors who are very talented who could play Loomis. I just have this image in my mind of Loomis being played by a younger actor. Then again this is a re imagination so we can expect to see some departures from the early incarnations. It does seem Variety is off its game a bit here and Deadline seems to have a good handle on what is actually happening.
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I just have this image in my mind of Loomis being played by a younger actor. Then again this is a re imagination so we can expect to see some departures from the early incarnations.
Yes, one thing that we have to be careful of is thinking of the characters as we're used to seeing them. We know nothing about the script. And for all we know Willie has deliberately been aged in the script for some reason(s) that we're completely unaware of as of yet.
As for casting call sheets, they are often posted online - but I have no idea where...
And as for Variety's report, I can actually see the Depp/DS film possibly adapting the whole Maggie kidnapping/brainwashing storyline - especially when it hasn't been done since the original series and, therefore, is fresher territory than what was done with either hoDS or the '91 Series.
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That is true we don't know what is in the script. I have read something like 30 articles on this casting development and every writer said that Haley will make a perfect Loomis. I would still prefer a younger Loomis actor but I will digest this more.
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Hmm, I'm not really aware that there is any obligation on a filmmaker's part to hold open auditions for a particular subset of their roles, though of course oftentimes the more minor roles are cast that way. Even when they are, I think it's usually pretty hard for us outside the industry to know many details-- as a Depp fan, the only casting calls I usually hear about are extras for films like Pirates or Public Enemies, but not for the main roles.
I *love* the idea of Jackie playing Willie. True, he's not a young man-- I just looked him up, and he'll be 50 this year. On the other hand, some were tossing Steve Buscemi's name around as a possible Wilie, and Steve is several years older. I don't really think of Willie as having to be a particular age. He's just a thug who gets more than he bargained for when he decides to do some grave-robbing [snow_wink] I think it could work very well. Jackie is great at playing thugs, but I always remember how sweet his character is in Breaking Away, so I can definitely see him also being the meeker, more submissive Willie.
I only saw a few articles (MTV and a few others, saying that Bella would play Vicki, so I didn't know that Variety was reporting the character as a waitress. (I tried to access the Variety article, and I was blacked out, so thanks for that info, MB). If she *is* a waitress, don't forget that the characters in the movie may not be identical to the ones we know- you never know if they will alter them or even combine some characters together, so I will keep an open mind about that. (Off topic but relevant- for The Rum Diary, which is also co-produced by Johnny, a few characters from the novel are combined and one is omitted altogether for the movie version. Some are upset about this, but since I haven't read the novel I'm not sure of how the changes impact the story, but obviously they felt that they could tweak it to make it more amenable to a film screenplay. So something like this could certainly happen in the case of DS, too).
Anyway, I was SO excited, after working overtime tonight and returning home late, that we're finally starting to hear some casting news!!!
Cathy
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I think Alexandra Moltke was, what, 20 when she got the part as Vicki. John Karlen was well into his 30s playing Willie - not such a comparative stretch for the actors mentioned. However, I agree that having too many specific expectations for the circumstances, plot, appearance, etc. of this film might result in a lot of disappointment. I remember people having strong negative reactions to aspects of the '91 series because of what I felt to be unrealistic expectations, though some legit reasons as well. [coolg] Personally, I'm not expecting a replication, and hopefully, no serious rehash!
Petofi
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Good points, Petofi!!
Also, I am recalling the early days when Willie was coming on to (and being rather threatening towards) all the pretty young gals, and I'm thinking that Willie being a little older will only enhance the sleazebag/gross-out factor. So yeah, I'm up for Jackie as Willie, for sure!
Cathy
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OK, even though I don't like doing this, considering that it's probably blacked out for the majority of people, here's the complete text of Variety's article (at least I can tell myself that the link to the article is posted in reply #1746):
Posted: Wed., Feb. 2, 2011, 2:24pm PT
'Dark Shadows' ready for the light
Burton-directed pic stars Depp; newcomer Heathcote in talks
By Justin Kroll
After years of trying to get "Dark Shadows" off the ground, Johnny Depp and Tim Burton may have a sign that their passion project is finally ready for production.
Bella Heathcote, the young, up-and-coming actress starring next year in David Chase's first post-"Sopranos" feature film "Twylight Zones," is in early talks for the female lead opposite Depp in the supernatural Warner Bros. pic.
"Dark Shadows" is based on the 1960s supernatural TV soap opera that followed the life of vampire Barnabas Collins, to be played by Depp. He's forced to deal with all sorts of monsters, ghosts and other supernatural creatures. Heathcote would play a waitress whom Collins takes a shine to because of her resemblance to his long-lost love.
Seth Grahame-Smith has penned the script, and Depp, Graham King, Richard Zanuck, Christi Dembrowski and David Kennedy are producing. Production starts this spring with a release date set for sometime in 2012.
Warner Bros. acquired the rights from show creator Dan Curtis in 2007 and has been trying to get a movie going in the years since.
Depp signed on early, but the writers strike derailed the project. Once it was resolved, Burton came on to direct and brought on John August to pen a first draft.
But August fell out, Burton and Depp's busy schedules got in the way and the project continued to be pushed back. Then, last summer, "Pride, Prejudice, and Zombies" and "Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter" author Smith was brought aboard in July to rewrite the script.
If Heathcote gets locked in soon, a greenlight should follow, making a spring production start realistic.
Though Heathcote is a fresh face to American auds, the Australian thesp's career is clearly taking off. Besides Chase's "Twylight Zones," she's also been cast opposite Amanda Seyfried and Justin Timberlake in "Now."
A greenlit "Dark Shadows" has the potential to solve another problem for Warner Bros.: the need for a franchise to replace the waning "Harry Potter" series. Though "Green Lantern," "Superman" and any number of DC Comics-centered pics are on the way, the studio is light on fantasy projects along the lines of "Dark Shadows" that can also appeal to female auds.
Though Burton and Depp haven't talked of franchising "Dark Shadows," there's a trove of material for them to work with should it fare as well as their past collaborations such as "Alice in Wonderland" and "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory."
Besides her upcoming slate, Heathcote was most recently seen in the indie "Beneath Hill 60."
She is repped by WME and Jackson-Medavoy Entertainment.
Contact Justin Kroll at justin.kroll@variety.com
Interestingly, I see where the articles has since been rewritten a bit, with a few minor things added (the year 2007 added in reference to when the rights to DS were acquired) and a few other things dropped (the references to AiW and CatCF), so what I've posted is a combination of both versions. However, both versions say that Heathcote would play a waitress - that hasn't changed.
A photo of Heathcote has also been added...
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Several minutes ago I posted a comment but it vanished. Wasn't one of my memorable ones anyway j/k
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I agree that having too many specific expectations for the circumstances, plot, appearance, etc. of this film might result in a lot of disappointment. I remember people having strong negative reactions to aspects of the '91 series because of what I felt to be unrealistic expectations
The truly odd thing is that some of the most negative reactions came from people who, before character details were released, had been saying that they really hoped things would be changed and that the '91 Series wouldn't just be a complete remake of the original series. Yet once changes were revealed (like Vicki being Josette's reincarnation, Maggie being psychic, and even Roger being an artist), they complained the loudest that changes had been made. And what's odder is that it wasn't even about the actual changes - it was simply that changes had indeed been made...
Personally, I'm not expecting a replication, and hopefully, no serious rehash!
In general, trying to avoid any specific expectations and keeping an open mind is always best whenever anything you love is being adapted and/or transformed into a new version/form...
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most articles are referring to heathcote as victoria winters so the "waitress" thing is confusing.
the whole "gothic governess" angle is so pivotal to the DS mythology(not just vicki but also rachel and daphne)i'd find it stunning and disappointing if that's what they went with.
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Several minutes ago I posted a comment but it vanished.
Hmmm - I just checked the messages database and there aren't any post ID numbers missing, so apparently something happened and your post never actually went completely through. [snow_undecided]
Try posting again. [snow_smiley]
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most articles are referring to heathcote as victoria winters so the "waitress" thing is confusing.
It does come across that way. Though the sites that are citing a source, are citing deadline.com, and that report is saying the female lead is a governess. It would be nice to think that everyone does their own fact checking - but 99% of the time these sites run with the same info from the same source without any concern to whether it's right, wrong, true, or complete fabrication. So, sadly, the number of sites reporting one thing vs. the number reporting another doesn't always reflect who's got the correct info and who's got it wrong. [sad7] If only it actually was otherwise...
the whole "gothic governess" angle is so pivotal to the DS mythology(not just vicki but also rachel and daphne)i'd find it stunning and disappointing if that's what they went with.
It certainly would be stunningly different if there was no vicki at all. But perhaps, if they really are going with some version of the Maggie kidnapping storyline, Vicki is still on the canvas but she's simply in a supporting role in this particular story. [idontknow] But as I said, only time will tell. I'm guessing that once Shadowgram gets a chance to speak to the casting, the matter will probably be cleared up...
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Maybe they're combining the character of Vicki and Maggie and doing away with the governess angle to "modernize" the story? Though I think having her be a waitress is going to make people not aware of the original show think they copped it from True Blood.
I'm wondering what the heck the plot of the movie will be if they're going with the kidnapping Maggie storyline. Where would the story end? When she escapes?
I was hoping for a period piece myself, but I'm excited about this regardless!
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Maybe they're ... doing away with the governess angle to "modernize" the story?
That's a possibility that hadn't occurred to me. The feeling may indeed be that the target audience for the film, which, let's face it, is none of us, wouldn't necessarily relate easily to a governess. And one thing we shouldn't forget is that we were warned fairly early on that they planned to make some significant changes to the story. I believe it was producer (and former DCP exec) David Kennedy who was really adamant that such changes take place.
Though I think having her be a waitress is going to make people not aware of the original show think they copped it from True Blood.
Quite possibly.
I'm wondering what the heck the plot of the movie will be if they're going with the kidnapping Maggie storyline. Where would the story end? When she escapes?
It is fascinating to contemplate. Though it's probably best to wait until the governess/waitress question is settled by a reliable source before getting too deep into such contemplation. ;)
I was hoping for a period piece myself, but I'm excited about this regardless!
A lot of fans seemed to think a Barnabas origin story might have been fun as the first film.
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Having Maggie be Josette makes a great deal of sense, especially considering she "was" Josette for the first two incarnations of the show, and I believe that this is where Depp and Burton will be drawing the most material. It really wasn't until the '91 series when this notion was turned on its head - and while creative at the time, definitely could appear to be "just too easy" for the new version of the show. I mean, most of us have already accepted that this is a given. It might be nice to have it NOT be so.
That being said, as was done with the original show, I think it is entirely possible to have Maggie and Vicki coexist. Maggie, the waitress, is held captive by Barnabas, while snoopy, little governess Victoria gets dangerously close to discovering the secret. However, that would pretty much require two leading ladies, and I don't see the reports leaning in that direction. But, I would definitely like that take on the story.
In regards to Willie, while I was expecting someone closer to Karlen's age (or younger), if they went with a more Renfield-esque character, I can see Haley working just fine.
We just don't know enough at this point. But, I do hope Collinwood maintains a governess, as that really is a key element of Dark Shadows, whether she be Vicki or Maggie, or Josette, it doesn't matter to me, as long as she is included in the story.
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Jackie Earle Haley -- erk!! Just no. Sigh. (JMHO!) Never heard of Heathcote -- hope I can see her in something before the DS movie comes out. If they do the kidnapping story just please don't make us listen to London Bridge is Falling Down every 5 minutes -- aaarrrgghhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! [snow_scream] LOL! [snow_wink]
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But feel free to play Cobert's ''Josette's Music Box'' every 12 or so... Oh, yes, and integrate the main theme throughout. Thank you! [ski]
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Haley's a shock to the system in a couple ways: he's not only a departure from the expected Willie "type" (though certainly a logical progression of a Karlen-Fyfe-Haley continuum), but he's physically out of place in the stylized, plastic "Burtonverse" we've gotten used to. This could (along with a starving Johnny Depp) be an indication of where the style of this film is going.
In terms of the role's essence, Haley can do sleazy and he can do sympathetic (anyone seen Little Children?), so the casting makes a kind of perfect sense. But yes, definitely a surprise.
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a starving Johnny Depp
Many reports are saying Depp's goal is to go down to 10 stone/140 pounds. He's hardly overweight as it is, so I would imagine that would mean that he is going for something akin to James Marsters' look as Spike on Buffy/Angel. If so, at least that wouldn't be too drastic a weight loss...
In terms of the role's essence, Haley can do sleazy and he can do sympathetic (anyone seen Little Children?), so the casting makes a kind of perfect sense.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing what he'll do with Willie. Well, if he is indeed cast. At this point we still need to keep in mind that both actors are in talks for their roles - they haven't actually been cast.
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I'm a huge fan of JEH, so this is an excellent casting choice.
Not familiar with the young lady though, will keep my fingers crossed for Juliet Laudau to be cast as the Doctor.
But something tells me that Burton's GF Helena Bonham Carter will snatch up that part.
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Not sure why the writer of this article believes or expects that Seth Grahame-Smith will provide a comedic touch to the story. I certainly hope that won't be the case.
http://screenrant.com/tim-burton-dark-shadows-jackie-earle-haley-bella-heathcote-sandy-99616/
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He seems to think that simply based on Burton's previous track record. And many of us have feared what Burton might do simply based on his track record (hello, dancing skeletons and clowns nightmare ;)). And some of Burton's comments did little to squelch that fear (chiefly his infamous flies comment). But I'm still trying to keep in mind that not all of Burton's films are "intentionally hammy and tongue-in-cheek," as the writer puts it. Though even that is hard when you have someone like Richard Zanuck saying the film will be "very funny" (though at least that remark was back when John August was writing the script).
If indeed there are comedic touches, I'm hoping they're limited to Barnabas finding himself in a world that's completely alien to him and having to deal with 21st century technology, and that such dealings are kept to a minimum. One could even hope that such scenes might even end up on the cutting room floor. But that might be too much to hope for considering even Jim Pierson has said that they specifically want to show Barn dealing in such situations.
The main thing I'm trying to take away from that article is that the writer describes both of Seth Grahame-Smith's books as "not campy," which only confirms how some forum members have also described his books. And that's exactly what I want to hear with regard to his writing style...
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I agree MB. I hope the comedic portions of the film are restricted to small things like Barnabas trying to use a cell phone etc... but not to take away from the predominant drama element of the movie. I am still concerned by Zanuck's comments. Maybe he saw dancing skeletons when he said that the movie will be very funny. Hopefully Seth has changed that story direction.
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One other thing to consider with regard to any potentially funny moments in the script is that oftentimes a movie will turn out differently than the script will suggest. Scenes that seem to work well on paper don't always translate well once they're shot. Once the film is edited they can slow down the other elements of the film or they can look completely out of place, and so they don't actually make it into the completed film. I've lost track of how many times I've seen comments in DVD extras from directors who've said they really loved such scenes and really wished they could have made the final cut, but in the end including them would have been detrimental to their films...
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But something tells me that Burton's GF Helena Bonham Carter will snatch up that part.
I think HBC has been quoted elsewhere as saying she wouldn't be in DS.
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Eva Green is Angelique
http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/ultimate-bond-girl-eva-green-gets-dark-shadows-lead/
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Very interesting - both the actress, who definitely has the right amount of sex appeal to portray Ang, and the fact that Ang will be featured in the film...
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Sweet! I could not be happier with that casting.
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I like the choice too. The article says that she landed the role and yet it also says she is in negotiations for the role as other sites are reporting.
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Re. the Johnny diet rumor, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. It is a tabloid report, and we are constantly hearing complete fabrications, such as the recent rumor that he bought a place in Venice (eventually denied by his publicist). IF Johnny wants to shed a few pounds (and I'm not saying that he does), it would probably just be to return to his usual weight- he admitted to "putting on a few pounds" for The Tourist, and was probably still a bit thicker for Pirates. Still, he has never considered himself to be a real "method" actor, and has never done the extreme weight fluctuations that Christian Bale has done. We've seen several paparazzi shots from within the past week, and he is looking very healthy and fit.
Re. Jackie Earle Haley, I did see Little Children, and thought he was amazing in that, walking a fine line between being despicable and sympathetic (didn't he get an Oscar nomination for that one?). I have really loved him in so many things: Breaking Away, Watchmen, Human Target (TV show that I watched several episodes of). I'm pretty psyched about his casting.
Re. Eva Green, I don't know much about her but I remember thinking she was pretty hot in Casino Royale. I'll bet she could be a fiery Angelique!
Re. the comedy aspect, I hope I am right in that I am still envisioning an atmosphere along the lines of Sleepy Hollow or Sweeney Todd, where there are some funny lines, but nothing slapstick or overtly knee-slapping comedy. Both films were definitely able to hold a menacing vibe.
Re. Helena Bonham Carter, I also vaguely seem to recall something about her denying she'd be in DS, but I can't swear to that, and I suppose I wouldn't be totally shocked if she did get a role, lol.
I'm hoping to continue hearing more casting news- it seems like now is the time when the cast will start to fall into place [snow_smiley]
Cathy
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I think he looks too old and she looks like she's 15. :(
Personally for me I don't care what an actor or actress looks like. If they can pull of the role and deliver that is all I care about. Some of the original cast wasn't let's say HUNK or BOMBSHELL material but they did a fine job playing there roles.
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That nightmare about the DS movie was absolutely hilarious...
The actor chosen is definitely is a far departure, especailly from the sort of Willie we had in the 04 pilot (which is what I prefer.) But I guess they are changing the character; the picture I've seen of him made me think more of Count Petofi. Personally, I think a modernization of governess would be closer to a tutor or nanny, not waitress. But hopefully that was an error.
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I personally think it's an error...time will tell.
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since kathryn leigh scott played maggie evans as a waitress forty five years ago i don't really see that as a "modernization".
and part of the charm of DS is that it exists somewhat out of time. i'm sure by the mid 1960's the concept of a governess was already somewhat antiquated.
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I'll try posting this again. A new article from Variety still points to Bella playing a waitress.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031509
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Extremely interesting for a variety (no pun intended) of reasons.
Before you posted that I was going to make a post to say that while it could very well be that yesterday's report in Variety was in error, I wasn't willing to completely discount its accuracy just yet for two reasons. The first being that, unlike the other Web sites that are reporting on Bella Heathcote's potential casting, Variety is a respected entertainment industry publication that has enjoyed an over 100 year reputation for accurate industry reporting. Of course that doesn't preclude them from making mistakes on occasion - but the thing about Variety's standing in the industry and what helps it to maintain its accurate reporting reputation is that much of its info is supplied directly from the press departments of the studios, producers, directors, actors, films, TV shows, plays, etc. being reported on. If the info about Bella Heathcote's character being a waitress was in error, one would think that after reading the article the Depp/DS film's press rep would have contacted Variety's writer so that the article would have been corrected. I've already mentioned that the article had had some changes made to it between the time I first read it and I went back to get a copy of it to post here - yet the waitress reference was not one of the things that was changed. And I was going to add that the waitress reference is still in the article today. If the reference is in error, then whoever the press rep for the Depp/DS film is is quite obviously not doing their job because their job isn't simply to supply info, but also to make sure what gets printed - especially on places like Variety's Web site - is accurate. So, the second reason that I wasn't quite willing to believe Variety had made a mistake was that the waitress reference is still there today.
However, today's development takes the situation to a whole different level because of the fact that Variety has not only published a second report that references Bella Heathcote's character as a waitress, but the report is written by a totally different writer than handled yesterday's article. So, in all probability, it's not simply a case that the same writer is repeating an assumption that he'd made on his own. It would seem to appear to be a case that someone is handing them the waitress reference - and that's why they're reporting it.
One thing, though, that I'm not quite sure what to make of with regard to both yesterday's and today's articles is that nowhere in either is the character name of Victoria Winters mentioned. And what makes that even more interesting is 1) Depp has always been identified as playing Barnabas, and 2) today's report does actually say that Eva Green "would portray the temptress Angelique, a role played by Lara Parker in the supernatural TV soap opera during its run from 1966 to 1971." Yet when it comes to Bella Heathcote, it's simply that she "would play a waitress." [hdscrt]
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Eva Green was great in Casino Royale and I think she'll make a great Angelique! [snow_happy]
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Eva Green was great in Casino Royale and I think she'll make a great Angelique! [snow_happy]
Fun fact: Casino Royale now has TWO Angeliques in its cast! Who'd a thunk it!
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Are they now saying Eva Green will portray Angelique in the new film? Interesting. She's playing another great Witch of legendry and lore, Morgana/Morgan le Fay, in the new Camelot series that's previewing on Starz at the end of this month.
There are trailers on Youtube--Green looks as if she really knows her craft and really knows how to bite into a role...
G.
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I didn't realize she's a part of the new Camelot. I've been interested in seeing it ever since I read that it's an adult take on the legend and supposedly unlike any other version we've seen before. And it also helps that I like Joseph Fiennes as an actor. But now that I know Eva Green is also in it, I'm really looking forward to it. Thanks for the heads up.
Camelot - Trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Rg4Tnnjot4)
Camelot First Look, behind scenes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlytUGaHxlk)
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I don't see any particular reason Willie has to be a young man. And JEH is a fine actor.
Eve Green is likewise beautiful as well as very talented. Bit of trivia--she'll be the second Angelique who appeared fully nude in another film. Yeah, I'm a guy.
I'm unfamiliar with Ms. Harcourte, but she certainly looks pretty. Youth is hardly a disqualifier. If she were of marriageable age in 1795 how old could she have been? Anyone ever read Jane Austen's Persuasion? The central character is considered a spinster at 26.
As for the description of her character as a "waitress" rather than "Victoria Winters," to me this is fine news. I've always disapproved of making Victoria Winters the reincarnated Josette, or in fact of having Josette be reincarnated at all. Makes for a much stronger story if Barnabas is a bit insane, as he was in the original series, and trying to turn this innocent girl into a copy of his beloved. The tension I always loved was that Barnabas was trapped between a longing for the past and hope for the future, embodied in his relationships with Maggie and Victoria respectively. Watching Barnabas slowly go sane, leaving his madness behind him, made for extremely compelling drama. When Curtis turned the Governess into Josette reborn, he made a terrible mistake.
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another article (mostly same old info), but this one references a 'young governess' role:
http://www.thewrap.com/movies/column-post/eva-green-talks-join-johnny-depp-dark-shadows-24460
Personally, I'm not too thrilled about the older casting choice for Willie, but I shall hold my tongue til I see anything.
When I relayed the info to a friend of mine, she noted that the description given in: http://www.deadline.com/2011/02/jackie-earle-haley-and-bella-heathcoate-in-dark-shadows-talks/
Loomis is a notorious con artist who comes to Collinwood bent on swindling the reclusive matriarch Elizabeth Collins Stoddard.
Sounds like they're combinating the Jason & Willie character together. Or it could just be a case of wrong information. [snow_huh] Shall have to wait & see, I suppose.
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I think a lot of plot specifics you're hearing is just conjecture from journalists who are going off existing info on the original series, skimming wikis and assuming who's being portrayed as what.
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given that this is not a series but a two hour movie that will of course focus largely on barnabas i'm surprised to hear that the blackmailing-of-elizabeth storyline will even be TOUCHED on.
my instinct about the roles of elizabeth and roger and david is that they will be something of extended cameos. an important establishing "presence" at collinwood but not heavily involved in the plot.
and i wish they would just NAME the darn heathcote character as either vicki or maggie and stop with the governess/waitress conjecture. [snow_sick2]
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The New York Times has Bella playing Victoria Winters but the paper also misspelled Julia Hoffman.
http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/451864/Dark-Shadows/cast
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Looks like someone over there at the NY Times site needs to delete a few extra listings. [snow_strange]
As for Julia, I do continue to find it fascinating that they continue to list Helena Bonham Carter for Julia even though there have been no reports that say she will be playing the role AND she has repeatedly said she hasn't even been asked to be in the film. But perhaps they know more than HBC has been letting on. Or they're convinced that she will eventually be asked and that she will agree to be Julia...
And BTW, James Franco is now supposedly up for the Oz movie. Reports are that Depp passed on it Thursday night...
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AND she has repeatedly said she hasn't even been asked to be in the film. But perhaps they know more than HBC has been letting on. Or they're convinced that she will eventually be asked and that she will agree to be Julia...
Actors are like politicians...i mean if they can cry at a sham Golden Globe award win, they can say and do whatever is expedient. No disrespect to HBC but maybe her agent is advising her to play tough with hubby to get more $$ or a part in another film..who knows.
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what's strange is that if you google 'bella heathcote victoria winters' dozens of links pop up but if you google 'bella heathcote maggie evans' you get nothing.
so she's either "victoria" or she's "a governess" or she's "a waitress" but she's never referred to as "maggie".
i wonder if they're creating a composite character(magtoria?). vicki as a waitress doesn't work for me. [snow_huh]
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That is similar to what I was wondering. Perhaps, instead of having two main ingenues, they will simply call her "Victoria Winters", but give her Maggie's background as a local waitress and have her go to work as the Collinwood governess? That is what Maggie did later on, anyway. After Vicki was gone.
I suppose we'll find out sooner or later.
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If she is going to be a waitress, she ought to be Maggie. If she is going to be from a foundling home, she ought to be Victoria. If she is simply going to be governess, it doesn't matter if she is going to be Vicki or Maggie. But character origins are rather important. Anyway, if Willie Loomis is going to con Liz, what is it going to be about? I'd think it would be about the foundling girl if anything, especially considering the age of Loomis. But, just idle, fun, speculation.
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Re. the Johnny diet rumor, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. It is a tabloid report, and we are constantly hearing complete fabrications, such as the recent rumor that he bought a place in Venice (eventually denied by his publicist).
Yes, I saw those Venice house reports and the publicist's denial. Par for the course for the Internet to latch onto something that's a complete fabrication and to spread it all over the place.
We've seen several paparazzi shots from within the past week, and he is looking very healthy and fit.
Good to hear.
Re. Jackie Earle Haley, I did see Little Children, and thought he was amazing in that, walking a fine line between being despicable and sympathetic (didn't he get an Oscar nomination for that one?).
Yes, he was nominated for numerous acting awards for Little Children, including a Best Supporting Actor Oscar - and I believe he won several of them.
Re. the comedy aspect, I hope I am right in that I am still envisioning an atmosphere along the lines of Sleepy Hollow or Sweeney Todd, where there are some funny lines, but nothing slapstick or overtly knee-slapping comedy. Both films were definitely able to hold a menacing vibe.
I still haven't watched Sweeney Todd (despite having owned the DVD for well over a year), but I definitely agree that Sleepy Hollow would be the perfect template for incorporating a bit of humor because all the humor in that film comes directly from character and character situations. (And in my defense with ST, I want to watch the DVD with some friends who are also interested in seeing the film but missed it when it was in theaters. But we just haven't all gotten together in the same place at the same time. One day...)
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Are people really expecting the characters in Depp Shadows to bear any orderly or systematic relationship to the classic DS series? I mean, Maggie Evans was changed pretty radically from the person we knew from the Sixties in the 1990 redaction of the story. So if they decide to make Vicki a waitress who--for example--is hired at Collinwood to be a companion to a disturbed and reclusive Mrs. Stoddard when everybody's favorite "Cousin from England" (or will it be set in England and he'll be a "Cousin from America" this time around?), that should come as no surprise. This is NOT going to be a remake of the 1966 series; it's going to be its own thing altogether. Or at least, that is what it should be if it wants to have its own identity as a 21st century pop culture phenom.
I'm still disappointed that Angelique wasn't cast with a black actress. To my mind, that would make a fascinating new departure and a decisive sign that we're dealing with something new here.
G.
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A DS movie casting video news clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqlg2RBW8YI
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believe it or not i still have dial up so downloading videos takes hours.
does this actually say who heathcote is playing or is it just speculative?
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From the previous reports I've seen from ClevverMovies, I'm pretty sure they regurgitate what's on the Internet and they say Bella Heathcote will play "governess Victoria Winters." However the interesting thing about the governess vs. waitress angle is that more and more Internet reports are saying Heathcote will play a waitress, apparently picking that up from Variety's reports rather than those of deadline.com. So the question would still appear to remain unanswered definitively.
I'm hoping ShadowGram will settle the issue sooner rather than later. But Marcy Robin did say she will report "confirmed casting," so I'm sure that means that she won't be reporting anything until the actors she'll report on have actually signed and are not simply in talks...
And thanks for the link, jimbo. As I said the last time, it's always fun to actually hear these things said out loud by people other than us. [wink2]
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I'm hoping for some new angles with the new film. Maybe take some bits and pieces from the original and add some Burton/Depp flair to it. I am just so excited they are making it period!! [snow_bigglass]
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That is true MB. The sound coming from us is deafening j/k I find it hard to believe we don't know for sure what role Bella is auditioning for. JP please clarify this simple issue for us?
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It's definitely a EXCITING time to be a DS fan. I remember when I first came to the forums it was because I had heard about the pilot. Then I quit coming after that and then when Johnny bought the writes I became a permanent fixture here. It's great see all of it coming to fruition. I am SO HAPPY and excited! So far I am very happy with the casting. I would love to see Cate Blanchett as Julia; however, it seems BIG names aren't being cast; regardless, if they cast a good actress I am sure I will be happy. I personally don't want HBC to play Julia because to me she is over used and I personally don't see her as Julia. I am hoping we get a Grayson or Barbara type gal to play Julia. I equally love Barbara and Grayson and I can't say that when comparing old to new in all the actors. [snow_grin] I thought Barabara was a bit darker and brought a bit more style and beauty to the role. Grayson is just a lot of fun. I know everyone knows I adore her as well.
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To add another element of mystery to the situation, I see that the IMDb has added Bella Heathcote's name to the cast of the film BUT they don't list a character name for her. Though having no idea who's updating the IMDb listing, we have no way of knowing if that's a deliberate omission for some strange reason or if, like us, they're simply waiting for the matter to be cleared up.
I also noticed that IMDb is listing two new technical members on the film: Katterli Frauenfelder is the first assistant director and Andrew Bennett is the assistant art director.
Frauenfelder has previously worked with Burton on Alice in Wonderland, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, and Big Fish, also co-producing the first three and working as an associate producer on the last. Frauenfelder will also co-produce DS.
The first assistant director tends to handle things like setting the shooting schedule, tracking daily progress against the schedule, preparing the daily call sheets, checking the arrivals of the cast and crew, maintaining order on the set, rehearsing the cast, and directing the extras.
Bennett has previously worked with Rick Heinrichs on Captain America: The First Avenger and The Wolfman as the draughtsman, which in general is someone who does the detailed drawings for a film's set design based on the production designer's concepts.
Being hired as the assistant art director for DS would seem to be a step up for Bennett because the responsibilities can entail doing research, accessing props, surveying locations, making models and helping to produce all the sets.
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A bit more news: this article (http://www.backstage.com/bso/content_display/news-and-features/news/e3ie390b05bff58d430b9cd2e25c53ec2e1) at backstage.com says London-based casting director Susie Figgis is handling the casting for the Depp/DS film.
Figgis has extensive casting credits and has worked on many of Burton's and Depp's films - as well as those like the Harry Potter series and The Young Victoria for Graham King.
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perhaps we're all of the mark and ms. heathcote won't be playing either vicki or maggie but collinsport inn waitress susie. [snow_silly]
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[stfl] Now THAT would be something - from non-speaking extra to Barnabas' love interest! What an upgrade for the character THAT would be!!
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MSC, you crack me up! Thanks for the laugh.
G.
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We were previously informed that the movie will start shooting in April and now we seem to have a start date which was posted today at the myentertainmentworld website:
DARK SHADOWS - April 11, 2011 - UK http://www.myentertainmentworld.com/mew/film_production_newlisting.html
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Excellent! And what a perfect birthday present because that's the Monday after my birthday (which is on Saturday). Having the film begin on the 11th will be a gift I'll love to see opened! [occasion1] [wink2]
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Wow MB that is an excellent birthday gift!!!
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It's funny because my best friend (and fellow DS fan, and whose birthday is on the 10th) and I were recently joking that it would be perfect if the film started on the 11th - and now apparently it actually will. We may have to celebrate our birthdays that weekend and then have another celebration on Monday. [lghy] (It's a good thing that almost all our other friends are also DS fans because they'll get into the double celebration as much as we will. [b003])
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A lot of the casting info discussed so far still seems to be speculative or at least not confirmed. It's hard to keep track of what is what. Perhaps someone could start a list of confirmed casting as it becomes known and add to it as more are revealed.
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We were previously informed that the movie will start shooting in April and now we seem to have a start date which was posted today at the myentertainmentworld website:
DARK SHADOWS - April 11, 2011 - UK http://www.myentertainmentworld.com/mew/film_production_newlisting.html
Wow! Cool! Thanks Jimbo!! [hello]
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A lot of the casting info discussed so far still seems to be speculative or at least not confirmed. It's hard to keep track of what is what. Perhaps someone could start a list of confirmed casting as it becomes known and add to it as more are revealed.
Once the casting is confirmed, ShadowGram will be sending out an update. Until that time we might not learn who has actually signed.
Of course, the interesting, or should it be maddening thing is that a lot of the Internet reports treated the news as if Jackie Earle Haley, Bella Heathcote and Eva Green had indeed been signed even though the source articles in Variety and on deadline.com clearly said each was in talks. But then, so what else is new on the Internet because it's all too often a place where speculation and rumor is presented as fact - so it's nothing to turn talks into actual signings...
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Noticed two more behind the scenes additions on the IMDb - this time on the creative end: Christine Cantella is the assistant costume designer, and Courtney Hoffman is the costume buyer.
Cantella has worked with Colleen Atwood and Burton and/or Depp before. Hoffman doesn't seem to have ever worked with any of them.
And still no name for Bella Heathcote's character. But speaking of her own name, I find it surprising that seemingly none of the casting reports are playing up the fact that she shares the same first name as the Twilight Saga films' heroine because some of the reporting sites just love to jump on coincidences like that...
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Add Cheryl Beasley as the film's costume supervisor. It doesn't seem as if she's worked with Atwood before. In fact, if IMDb can be trusted, it seems as if DS may only be her second film.
And I realize that some may not find many of these latest additions all that exciting. But to me it's great to see not only potential casting news but also the hiring of behind the scenes technical and creative personnel because it shows that the film really is moving forward on several different fronts. And what's not exciting about that? [wink2]
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Thanks MB for the info. Any news we could get our hands on is a good thing. I did notice a potential conflict. Eva Green is shooting Arbitrage in the U.S. in mid April according to myentertainmentworld website. Of course I guess they can film around her schedule if she actually gets the DS role.
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She wouldn't be the first actor to work on two films simultaneously. For instance, I was recently reading an interview with Helena Bonham Carter in which she talked about how she shot the upcoming Harry Potter films during the week and The King's Speech on the weekends. Of course that was easier for her than it would be for Eva Green because both of HBC's films were shooting in England. But other actors have flown back and forth between the US and Europe while working on two film simultaneously. Though the best case scenario for her would be that she could shoot all or at least most of her stuff for one film and then move on to the next. But, of course, that all depends on how the logistics of each film are planned out. For example, if, say, all of Angelique's scenes will take place on sets, there's the chance that she wouldn't be needed for DS until the production shoots on those sets.
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Johnny has also worked on two films at once :) I don't know the exact logistics, but roughly, he worked on Chocolat in about June-July of 2000, and on From Hell from around June-Sept (and going straight on to the ill-fated The Man Who Killed Don Quixote right after that!) In Chocolat, Johnny wore his natural long hair in a ponytail, and in From Hell he wore a (shorter) wig, because the latter film took place in Victorian England. He was the lead in From Hell, but only 4th or 5th billed in Chocolat, so not being the lead in both films probably helped him to manage to do both simultaneously.
He also did a cameo for a French film, Happily Ever After, while he was in the middle of filming Secret Window. That might've only taken a day or so, though.
I think that Christian Bale was working on something else (Terminator?? I forget) during part of Public Enemies filming, but he wasn't required to be present for the whole ~4 month Public Enemies shoot.
As for Eva, I'm sure they will figure out how to fit in the two shooting schedules, otherwise I don't think they would offer her the part! Unless Angelique is in every scene, they can film other scenes around her other schedule.
I'm not paying attention to most of the crew's names as you're posting them, MB, but I appreciate you posting the info anyway, because as you say, it's just cool in general to see the project shaping up and various different positions getting filled!
Cathy
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I'm not paying attention to most of the crew's names as you're posting them, MB, but I appreciate you posting the info anyway, because as you say, it's just cool in general to see the project shaping up and various different positions getting filled!
Well, believe me, when it starts getting to the point where they announce who the grips, best boys, etc. are, I probably won't be posting those names. Granted, they're pretty essential positions on any film - but they're the unsung heroes of film making because not many people care all that much about, say, who mounted the camera. But when it comes to things like sets and costumes (and potentially a few other creative elements), those are things that many DS fans will care about with the film. I know I will. :)
The one creative position that I'm really curious to hear about is who will be the cinematographer because that's someone who can have a huge impact on the look of the film...
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Another article about possible shooting locations for the movie:
http://www.highland-news.co.uk/news/fullstory.php/aid/8772/Johnny_Depp_for_Highland_fangfest_.html
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If the report is true (and sadly there are so many reports about Depp on the Internet that aren't true), who knows what types of locations they're scouting, but there are some great mansions in Scotland. If I can find the site again for one Gothic mansion that particularly impressed me when I happened upon it several years ago, I'll post it...
Of course, even if they are scouting Scotland, that doesn't discount the use of Ilfracombe because it would seem that Ilfracombe is being considered for Collinsport. But from what the article seems to indicate, Scottish locations could be being considered for the woods and surroundings of Collinwood (even though Burton often builds such wooded locations as a set).
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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Gotta point out the article describes Depp as married.
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They've been married for years haven't they? The wife and kids live in France...
G.
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When it starts in April, it will be around the 44th Anniversary of JF start. I can't remember if I have said this before.
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Well, believe me, when it starts getting to the point where they announce who the grips, best boys, etc. are, I probably won't be posting those names. Granted, they're pretty essential positions on any film - but they're the unsung heroes of film making because not many people care all that much about, say, who mounted the camera. But when it comes to things like sets and costumes (and potentially a few other creative elements), those are things that many DS fans will care about with the film. I know I will. :)
The one creative position that I'm really curious to hear about is who will be the cinematographer because that's someone who can have a huge impact on the look of the film...
I am enjoying your posts because as you said a lot of the people you are posting are going to impact the finished project. I will be curious to see who is the cinematographer as well.
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Cool to hear more location scouting news/rumors! It'll be so interesting to see the "look" of the film. I actually was hoping that they would do some exterior shots in Maine or at least New England, but I think that as long as the look and tone of the film are great, that's all that matters.
Gotta point out the article describes Depp as married.
They've been married for years haven't they? The wife and kids live in France...
Johnny and Vanessa Paradis have been together since 1998 but are not legally married. They have often said that they consider themselves married but that they don't really need the piece of paper. They don't rule out doing it someday, and so every few years, a new rumor pops up and ya never know, but honestly, they seem to be very happy just the way they are. Johnny was briefly married at age 20 and maybe has the idea that the piece of paper doesn't mean it's gonna work out!
BTW it's probably TMI but they have homes in both LA and France (and probably other places, plus an island in the Caribbean), and the kids attend school in LA.
Cathy
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I see where the new issue of Entertainment Weekly is saying that Colleen Atwood has to be the leading contender to win this year's Oscar for Best Costumes for Alice in Wonderland. It's also nice to see them describe her as "one of the biggest names in the field" of costume design.
I also noticed that an associate producer has been added to the list on IMDb. Between producers, co-producers and associate producers, that now brings the list up to 7 individuals. If they continue to add more people, the producers of the film might actually outnumber the on screen talent. [wink2]
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I am probably a broken record about this by now, but IMHO Colleen Atwood is a goddess!! I can't wait to see how her costumes will compare to those that were supplied by Ohrbach's [snow_cheesy]
By the way, just a little heads-up-- the press junkets have now started for Johnny's film Rango, which is coming out in 3 weeks. We've heard that some occurred today and will also be going on during the weekend. I haven't started seeing any actual interviews yet, but I imagine they'll start to appear imminently. Just a guess, but I am expecting/hoping for Johnny to speak more about DS now than he did while promoting The Tourist, just because the start of filming is getting closer now. Hope we'll get to hear some good tidbits from him!!
Cathy
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I am probably a broken record about this by now, but IMHO Colleen Atwood is a goddess!!
When someone is truly talented, it can never be said too often. [snow_wink]
I can't wait to see how her costumes will compare to those that were supplied by Ohrbach's [snow_cheesy]
For their day the Ohrbach's stuff was very much in style. But somehow I suspect anything that Atwood designs will have us wondering what anyone ever saw in Ohrbach's clothes! [snow_laugh] Though because the film also has a costume buyer, it would seem that they'll also be using some store bought clothing. So, it'll be interesting to see which characters get Atwood's designs and which get the store bought. It'll also be interesting to see why they'll choose the clothes that they do because what's often not taken into account is that the style of clothing and the colors a character wears is an intricate part of their character makeup. It's not just because the clothing might look good on the actors portraying the characters or because the actors themselves might like the clothing. (For example, there's a whole section in the concordance for the '91 Series that goes into details of how/why certain characters wore specific colors and styles.)
Just a guess, but I am expecting/hoping for Johnny to speak more about DS now than he did while promoting The Tourist, just because the start of filming is getting closer now. Hope we'll get to hear some good tidbits from him!!
Considering how starved we are for any sort of tidbits, almost anything he might say will be welcome. [snow_wink]
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I wonder if an early 60's time frame is doable for the timeframe of the movie. The clothes are just wonderful (ala Mad Men) from that era. Afterall, it was the beginning of the sexual revolution and such. People did have TV's back them and the real world out there could be shocking for a quiet, reclusive town like Collinsport.
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Thanks to collinwood.net Bruno Delbonnel is the cinematographer for the DS movie
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0216632/
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Apparently one has to really keep an eye on IMDb because I checked there only a few hours ago and Delbonnel wasn't listed yet. [snow_smiley]
But this is great news. I loved his work on Across The Universe (and I just watched that film again on DVD about a month ago) as well as his Oscar nominated work on Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Though I suspect HPatHBP will be much closer to what DS may look like than ATU ever would be. [snow_wink]
And now pretty much every behind the scenes position that I've wondered about has been filled. Hopefully now we'll be getting some more casting news...
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And by casting news, MB means finding out who the heck this Heathcote girl is playing!
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The Director of the Lone Ranger seems to believe that the DS movie is going to take up most of 2011 pushing back his movie to 2012. Gore stated that the Lone Ranger will be Depp's next project after DS. I didn't think the DS movie will be an incredibly long shoot and if the DS movie actually begins filming in April I don't see why the Lone Ranger can't shoot later this year.
http://www.slashfilm.com/gore-verbinski-talks-the-lone-ranger-bioshock/
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Something just dawned on me: Across the Universe features a sequence with dancing clowns ("Being for the Benefit of Mr. Kite")! OMG - could that mean that Burton wants Bruno Delbonnel for the Depp/DS film because he was able to show off dancing clowns to perfect advantage in the past and he fully expects Delbonnel to do it again?! OH NO!! [shockeyes]
[lghy]
Changing reels and getting serious, I just noticed something that I wasn't aware of: beyond her talent, there would seem to be a really good reason why Eva Green is being considered and just might be playing the role of Angelique - the new version of Camelot, in which she stars, is the first venture for the new TV arm of GK Films, one of the production entities involved with the Depp/DS film. Apparently Graham King was so impressed by Green's work in Camelot that he believes she could be a great Angelique.
And speaking of GK FIlms, one of the many reasons I can't wait for the Depp/DS film to get underway is that we should be getting some great stuff via the GK Films Web site because it often features things like photos, trailers, posters and behind the scenes info for its films.
On the other hand, the Web site for Depp's Infinitum Nihil seems to simply consist of an opening page and nothing more. What's up with that?
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And by casting news, MB means finding out who the heck this Heathcote girl is playing!
Honestly I was thinking more along the lines of casting news on some of the other roles. [snow_smiley] But the answer to that question is certainly up there as well. Right now it *seems* like she might be playing Vicki as an amalgam of Vicki and Maggie. But who knows... [snow_huh]
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The Director of the Lone Ranger seems to believe that the DS movie is going to take up most of 2011 pushing back his movie to 2012. ... I didn't think the DS movie will be an incredibly long shoot and if the DS movie actually begins filming in April I don't see why the Lone Ranger can't shoot later this year.
In this article (which is based on interviews done during the recent press junket for Rango that madscntst alerted us to) Verbinski states: "It's looking more and more like next year because Johnny is doing Dark Shadows but that movie is going to take a tremendous amount of prep."
Interesting...
Check out: EXCLUSIVE: Gore Verbinski and Johnny Depp Talk Lone Ranger (http://www.movieweb.com/news/exclusive-gore-verbinski-and-johnny-depp-talk-lone-ranger)
(It would have been much better from our POV if the article had been entitled "EXCLUSIVE: Johnny Depp Talks Dark Shadows" - but apparently that's not what the interviewer at MovieWeb was interested in...)
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Depp states in this interview he does not plan on straying too far from Jonathan Frid's portrayal of Barnabas.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/14/johnny-depp-dark-shadows/
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I really like hearing this: "Theres something about this vampire coming back after 200 years into this modern world, with a touch of the poetic, with maybe a tendency to maybe wax a little poetic now and again," he mused. If that's how Barn is written in the script - and from Depp's remark, that would certainly appear to be the case - then I'll be quite happy.
And it's definitely those "couple of different touches here and there" that will help Depp to make Barn his own. I'm really looking forward to his take.
Thanks for posting the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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Ah, great, I just saw this MTV interview in my news alerts, and I scampered over here to make sure it'd been posted here. As always, jimbo's got it covered! I love hearing Johnny speak with such respect about Frid, and I also love hearing that he feels that Barnabas is "poetic". You can tell that he really feels very deeply about the character!
Until this snippet, I'd been a little bummed that we haven't heard more talk about DS yet in these press interviews (though it's still early- the interviews have taken place over the last few days, but sometimes it takes a few days for them to trickle out). However, remember that Gore at least will only be able to talk about The Lone Ranger, since he's not involved with DS. So hopefully when some more one-on-one interviews with Johnny come out, hopefully they'll be asking him more about DS.
So, it's interesting that MTV says that Bella is Victoria, though they still may just be repeating what they've read...
Cathy
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It is extremely good to hear that Barnabas will be very recognizable. Hearing Johnny speak of Frid with such admiration was so refreshing. Let's hope he keeps the bangs. [snow_wink]
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You can tell that he really feels very deeply about the character!
Yes, that is a wonderful thing and really bodes well for the film. [thumb] Though the more I think about it, the most I suspect that Depp probably didn't do himself any favors by remarking that his performance as Barnabas won't stray very far from Frid's because that's a perfect setup for the contingent of Frid's fans who believes no one can play Barnabas but Frid. Sure, they were going to come after Depp anyway - that's a given - but now they're going to be armed with the notion that Depp will be sticking closely to Frid's interpretation, so every little thing that Depp might do that can be perceived by them as something Frid would not have done will be that much more magnified because Depp said he won't stray very far from what Frid did. They're not going to simply interpret Depp's remark, as, say, our own Cousin_Barnabas did, to mean that Depp's Barnabas will be very recognizable. And a defense that one needs to realize that naturally Depp wouldn't play scenes as Frid might have because Depp would want to make the role of Barnabas his own will be hard to make fly with them because Depp has said he won't stray very far from Frid's performance.
Though, of course, in the grand scheme of things that remark from Depp isn't going to matter much outside of fandom because we fans of the original DS aren't the target audience for the film. We're but a minute faction of the audience they're hoping to attract and need to attract for the film to be successful. And the actual target audience will not be dissecting Depp's every expression and gesture and comparing it to what Frid might have done like that contingent of Frid's fans in all probability will...
Until this snippet, I'd been a little bummed that we haven't heard more talk about DS yet in these press interviews
Sadly, more reports seem to be focused on Justin Bieber's surprise appearance than they are with anything Depp had to say. [snow_rolleyes]
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I keep on going back to what DS producer Richard Zanuck had to say last May http://www.movieweb.com/news/exclusive-producer-richard-zanuck-talks-dark-shadows-delays One of the problems weve had with the script is that there are hundreds of episodes of this and boiling it down to an hour and a half or two hour movie with one story has been a real challenge and thats what we are doing now. But it will have all of the elements of the TV show. It wont be high camp, obviously. It wont be soap opera, which the show was. No, it will be scary, itll be very funny and it will carry the Tim Burton stamp of uniqueness. Of course things most likely changed with the new script and writer but it is encouraging to read that Depp is not going to turn this into a comedic act. I wonder if Depp was ever asked if he saw Ben Cross' portrayal of Barnabas. I would be curious to hear what he thought of his interpretation of Barnabas. I hope Depp speaks more about the movie.
OT the Google alerts are no longer being sent in real time or as it happens. It seems there can be at least an hour delay up to 24 hours after an article has been posted on the web. It is now hit or miss.
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New article about possible casting.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/heat-vision/michelle-pfeiffer-talks-reteam-tim-99678
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Wow, after Depp, this is the first casting choice I really like.
Just they MUST give her dark hair! But besides that, she has that ageless beauty quality to her that would make her a perfect Liz.
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I thought she would be good for the Julia role but that was until I read this. http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/15/dark-shadows-helena-bonham-carter-michelle-pfeiffer/ I guess the NY Times was right after all but it may have been an easy guess.
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It's funny that yesterday I was reading some site where someone had suggested Michelle Pfeiffer for Liz and my reaction was that we should be so lucky. I wonder if it was by pure chance that they pulled out her name or if they knew something beforehand. However, I was reading so many different sites that I honestly don't recall how many days ago the post was made or even what site it was on, so I probably can't go back and check. But regardless, this is great news! [thumb]
Also, for those who were surprised by Jackie Earle Haley's lack of hair in the pictures they've seen of him, here's a capture from last week's season finale (possibly even series finale) ep of Human Target:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Haley_HumanT.jpg)
I'm pretty sure he wears a wig in the show - but it's a fairly good wig...
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I guess the NY Times was right after all but it may have been an easy guess.
So much for HBC's denials. [snow_wink] But then we do have cut her some slack if she really was already aware that she would be playing Julia (as opposed to Julie [snow_wink]) because she could have easily been under strict orders from Burton, if not from the producers and perhaps even Warner Bros., not to say anything until they deemed the time was right, which is apparently now.
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I guess we can make an argument that the NY Times had it wrong too. jk That was a good call MB with Michelle playing Liz. I am glad she is in the movie but I think the Julia role would be more interesting to her. Haley does look a bit younger with the apparent wig. As far as HBC is concerned I rather Julia went to a different actress IMO.
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The man really doesn't look half bad with hair, but still, the age issue bugs me.
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Though without knowing anything about the script, we shouldn't assume that any of the characters will be the same as they were in the original DS - especially as we've been warned by the producers that they felt that changes were necessary to update the story...
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MB, the irony of those Frid fans who believe no one but Frid can play Barnabas is that Frid himself is very open to what other actors bring to the vacillating vampire. Fans (even the media) wanted Frid to have a big problem with Ben Cross' portrayal of the iconic character but Frid was intrigued - not upset or threatened. He can't wait to see what Johnny Depp does with the role. It's a little amusing that the actor who created Barnabas has less hang-ups about others tackling the role than his fans.
It's no secret that Barnabas is my favorite DS character but I too welcome other interpretations of Barnabas. It seems obvious (to me, anyway) that every actor is an individual and can't help but introduce little nuances to the role no matter how committed he might be to keeping true to the original.
Personally, I say "go for it." I'm eager to see what Depp and Burton bring to the franchise. If I don't like it I don't ever have to watch the film again.
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MB, the irony of those Frid fans who believe no one but Frid can play Barnabas is that Frid himself is very open to what other actors bring to the vacillating vampire.
I'm sure he is. Frid is a talented and very learned actor. He understands that with acting it's all about expressing the truth of the character. It's only natural that different actors may have different ways of depicting that truth - but it doesn't necessarily make their choices right or wrong. If at their core those choices express the essence of the character, then they're all perfectly valid.
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Pfeiffer's a nice surprise! They aren't playing around with this cast.
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Also, for those who were surprised by Jackie Earle Haley's lack of hair in the pictures they've seen of him, here's a capture from last week's season finale (possibly even series finale) ep of Human Target
I can totally see this guy playing a sleazeball like Willie Loomis. The age question is total non-issue. I don't see Willie's age as having anything to do with his character's part of the DS story.
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I'm sure he is. Frid is a talented and very learned actor. He understands that with acting it's all about expressing the truth of the character. It's only natural that different actors may have different ways of depicting that truth - but it doesn't necessarily make their choices right or wrong. If at their core those choices express the essence of the character, then they're all perfectly valid.
MB, you took the words right out of my mouth. Frid has always come across as a total professional who uses his craft to express the work, instead of considering the work to be an expression of himself.
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we shouldn't assume that any of the characters will be the same as they were in the original DS - especially as we've been warned by the producers that they felt that changes were necessary to update the story...
Yep, & that's just what worries me.
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Variety is still reporting that Bella is playing a waitress.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118032290
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Still hoping for Juliet Landau to play Dr. Hoffman, but HBC will probably get that role.
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What a shock. I was hoping for a different actress to play Julia. At least she is a capable actress. Here is the news of HBC joining the cast!
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/02/15/dark-shadows-helena-bonham-carter-michelle-pfeiffer/
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I was SO thrilled to hear earlier today about Michelle's (and Helena's) possible casting. I hadn't heard Michelle's name mentioned at all previously, but as soon as I heard the name today, I thought it was a perfect choice. A lot of the names that have been bandied about by fans have been awesome, highly respected actresses who I definitely could've really seen playing Liz... 15 or 20 years ago. That is to say, many of fan's choices have frankly been too old. I think that Michelle is just the right age, and she is very beautiful and has a strong presence. And I love that she's worked with Burton before and thus is part of his "family", so to speak.
As for Helena, I'm not surprised, LOL. Perhaps she was just not confirming it until the time was right, but I dunno, it seems possible that it just hadn't been decided for sure. She DOES get other acting jobs besides in Burton's movies [snow_cheesy] At any rate, after seeing The King's Speech and rewatching Sweeney Todd recently, I can definitely see her as Julia.
As for Depp's remarks about staying close to Frid, maybe it's just me but I wasn't taking that to be 100% literal- more that he wants to achieve the same sort of tone with the character than doing an outright impersonation or anything. I know (and fear!) that DS diehards will be dissecting his performance and I only hope that he does justice to the character, and I am feeling pretty good about that!!
And yeah, they can easily stick a wig on Jackie or otherwise tweak his look for the film. I can't quite remember but I'm pretty sure he had hair for Watchmen (when he wasn't wearing a mask) and Shutter Island, too. BTW I loved him in Human Target and watched the show mainly for him (okay, a little also for Chi McBride, who I loved from Pushing Daisies), but I confess that I stopped watching this year when they changed the format of the show so much.
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You know, this one is starting to sound an awful lot like a retread of 1967/hoDS/the first few episodes of the 1991 series. Which means this will be, what, the FOURTH time this story has been filmed.
I'm guessing that plot points and character profiles are being filled in by journalists from websites, and that the actual screenplay will offer something different.
Perhaps this "waitress"will be named Vicki Evans... or Maggie Winters? *wink*
Ah, now for the announcement of the hoDS/NoDS DVD release date...
G.
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I am excited by it all. Hods and Nods too. Helena has big shoes to fill with Grayson and Barabara.
Maggie Winters. LOL
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I'm guessing that plot points and character profiles are being filled in by journalists from websites, and that the actual screenplay will offer something different.
I pretty much think that's exactly what's happening. The Web sites are simply taking what's come before and presenting it as the way it's going to with the Depp/DS film. (Not that any of them have ever jumped to conclusions. No. Never. ... Yeah, right! [snow_rolleyes]) But I believe they actually know as little about the script as we do, which is basically nothing. So I take the plot points the Web sites are bandying about with a mountain of salt, not simply a grain. They may be guessing some plot points correctly, but I also suspect the actual script will offer something different - particularly if Bella Heathcote's character is indeed a waitress as Variety has stated three times now - and especially if it turns out that the film's plot will in some way be a reworking of the Maggie kidnapping/brainwashing storyline.
Perhaps this "waitress"will be named Vicki Evans... or Maggie Winters? *wink*
You never know. [snow_cheesy]
Ah, now for the announcement of the hoDS/NoDS DVD release date...
If only. But I was talking with Darren about that very thing last week, and as of then he had yet to even hear from Warner Bros. about when he could begin work on the project, much less when a release date might be. [snow_sad]
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Yes, as long as Barnabas is rather recognizable, I think EVERYONE should be happy. Depp has to differentiate himself from Frid, but as long as the character is in the same vein, I think everyone should be pleased.
As for this recent news... I somehow wasn't surpised about Dr. Hoffman. It was definitely an "out of the blue" choice (I had never even heard her name mentioned) for Liz, but I think she'll do great! I think it's funny that that one article states Elizabeth has been locked up in Collinwood for a DECADE since the disappearance of her husband. It really makes one question if this is a plot-point in the script, as the information is just not accurate if its referring back to the original...
Who else do we need in the cast? Roger, Carolyn, and David, probably a love-interest for Carolyn, and we need to find out what the name of that waitress is.
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after seeing The King's Speech and rewatching Sweeney Todd recently, I can definitely see her as Julia.
I really do need to watch Sweeney Todd sooner rather than later...
As for Depp's remarks about staying close to Frid, maybe it's just me but I wasn't taking that to be 100% literal- more that he wants to achieve the same sort of tone with the character than doing an outright impersonation or anything. I know (and fear!) that DS diehards will be dissecting his performance
It's not just you because that's exactly how I interpreted Depp's remarks. And I would hazard a guess that it's probably how most of fandom interpreted them. Though chances are pretty good that the contingent of Frid's fans that I was referring to probably won't make that distinction.
Actually, it would be disappointing if Depp actually did an outright impersonation of Frid instead of adding some of his own touches to Barnabas.
I only hope that he does justice to the character, and I am feeling pretty good about that!!
Hearing just the few remarks that Depp makes in the MTV video has made me more confident than ever.
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I think it's funny that that one article states Elizabeth has been locked up in Collinwood for a DECADE since the disappearance of her husband. It really makes one question if this is a plot-point in the script, as the information is just not accurate if its referring back to the original...
That may very well be a plot point from the script as the bit that Liz "has not left the mansion since the disappearance of her husband a decade earlier" originated with the Hollywood Reporter's article about Michelle Pfeiffer. And I wasn't referring to what's being reported in trade papers like Variety and the Hollywood Reporter when I said I take what's said with a mountain of salt - I was referring to a good portion of the other Web sites that love to add their own embellishments to not only the trade papers' reports but to each other's reports. [snow_rolleyes]
With the Hollywood Reporters' description of Liz, I can't help but wonder if the script is not just possibly adapting the Maggie kidnapping/brainwashing storyline, but also balancing it with some form of the Liz blackmail storyline. Like others have said, having both would certainly seem to be more story than could be adequately dealt with in one movie. But we'd be basing that belief on how things play out on the original series, and who knows how the script may rework/streamline it. For instance, if there's no Jason in the script, that would streamline it immensely. But, of course, only time will tell...
Who else do we need in the cast? Roger, Carolyn, and David, probably a love-interest for Carolyn
All in good time. [snow_smiley]
and we need to find out what the name of that waitress is.
I continue to be fascinated that Variety has yet to refer to Heathcote's character by a character name. It's almost as if, like the second Mrs DeWinter, who had no identity in Rebecca apart from being Maxim DeWinter's wife, Heathcote's character has no identity apart from being a waitress who resembles Barn's long-lost love. [snow_cheesy]
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I'd love to see some of the blackmailing Liz story included in the movie. There was a point in the series in which it looked as though Jason might start investigating Barnabas, and I wish that had been developed - one villain sniffing out another. If only Dennis Patrick had wanted to stay on the show longer!
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Helena being cast as Julia was so expected & yet repeatedly denied, I didn't really believe it was going to happen. Hope it the rumors are true.
(http://i53.tinypic.com/2nimvkk.jpg)
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I would never have thought of Michelle as ELIZABETH. I have to say it's one of the most exciting cast choices in my opinion. I have always loved her and I think she is still goregous, classy and doesn't look like she has had her face blown up with fillers, botox etc. I think she is beautiful!
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Sorry for the double. I just wanted to say that even if one isn't necessarily behind the movie or excited about it. Here's the wonderful thing. When I type in DS on Google about 2000 articles come up about the new movie. Who knows what great things this could lead to. A new home for the original show to air on daily, new books, the original stars doing new interviews ,HODS AND NODS on DVD and DS simply getting the blood transfusion it currently needs. A 45 year old show that is beloved making headlines again isn't a in any way a bad thing. In EVERY interview I have read the old show is ALWAYS mentioned. Any publicity is good publicity, in my humble opinion! I have always felt this fandom had the potential that Star Trek reached. Just sayin'! [snow_wink]
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Posts that are more than 15 hours apart could never be considered double posting. [snow_wink]
Entertainment Weekly's Web site is reporting that Michelle Pfeiffer is expected to sign a deal shortly. However, they're also reporting that the film will begin shooting in May. [snow_huh]
Chech out: Michelle Pfeiffer in talks to star opposite Johnny Depp in Tim Burton's 'Dark Shadows' (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/02/17/michelle-pfeiffer-dark-shadows-johnny-depp/)
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If it is pushed back to May that won't be too bad. I personally hope she inks the deal. I am a huge Michelle fan. Would I have ever thought about her as ECS? NO! However, the more I think about it the more I can see her regally walking down the great hall. Bring it on...
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I agree, Taeylor. I never would have thought of her for the role of Elizabeth -- probably because I still think of her as being in her 30s. But she is one of the few actresses in Hollywood who can convey an old Hollywood elegance, so I'm excited about the choice. I hope that the role is developed enough to warrant having an actress of her caliber play it.
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If it is pushed back to May that won't be too bad.
No. And after Gore Verbinski's remark the other day that the Depp/DS film is going to take a tremendous amount of prep, it wouldn't be surprising if the start has been pushed back to accommodate all that prep. But at the same time, EW's Web site's writers (who aren't the same as its magazine writers) don't always get everything right. More than once I've seen them get something wrong, so I don't know if the bit about how the film will begin shooting in May is them getting something wrong once again, or if they're actually on top of something that wasn't known a few days ago when the Hollywood Reporter and Variety were both still saying the film will begin shooting in April.
I suppose, like all things with the film, only time will tell...
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Some slight photoshopping:
(http://i56.tinypic.com/2a50nig.jpg)
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Hubba hubba! But would Elizabeth Collins Stoddard, the Mistress of Collinwood, wear a gown with that kind of dcolletage?
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On atleast the very first episode, yep:
(http://i51.tinypic.com/2i724xc.jpg)
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I stand corrected! But I do agree that Michelle Pfeiffer has all the requisite glamor and more. If they'll just make her a brunette, my happiness will be complete.
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But would Elizabeth Collins Stoddard, the Mistress of Collinwood, wear a gown with that kind of dcolletage?
On atleast the very first episode, yep:
And if she's played by Michelle Pfeiffer, definitely. (Though we can't be sure Liz won't be a blonde in the film. [snow_wink])
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Another video from Clevver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlHseOLwwrU
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Very nice.
We can only be so lucky that the film turns out "to be a big boxoffice success."
Interesting that they're still mentioning an April start.
And in the tradition of Julia having big hair in a theatrical version of DS, one can only hope that the hairdressers for the Depp/DS film will have HBC wearing her hair similar to the photo of her used in the clip:
(http://www.dsboards.com/DeppDS/Helena_BigHair.jpg)
[snow_wink]
And as always, thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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And in the tradition of Julia having big hair in a theatrical version of DS
HA! I remember when we had HODS as part of a Halloween horror movie marathon in college, and the blurb for that movie said something like "And check out Grayson Hall's pre-punk hairdo!"
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I've warmed up nicely to the idea of HBC as Julia. She's talented, and has good chemistry with Depp.
I am completely shocked by the suggestion of Pfeiffer as Liz. I would never have picked her ( I wanted KLS) but hse's talented and will no doubt be very good in the role. I'm encouraged by the interesting casting.
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I honestly don't understand why hair color is important to some people; however, I respect their opinion's. My stance is if they are a good actor and do the role justice that is all that matters. What about HBC, does anyone think she needs to be a redhead for the role of Julia?
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Not I. [snow_smiley]
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I don't see hair color being all that important in casting. I'll have no problem accepting a blond Liz or a brunette Julia as long as the acting and writing is top notch.
The description of Viki being a waitress seems odd, why not make her Maggie then? I'm not terribly bothered by the Magtoria effect, but at the same time, if they do combine the two characters I'd like there to be a good reason for it.
I wonder if there will be any hints to the Victoria/Collins connection with her being an orphan. I wouldn't expect it since there will be a lot going on.
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Well, I don't really know how I feel about a blond Dracula or a blond Frankenstein Monster.... So, I can understand some people's hesitations towards their favorite characters being physically altered.
I'm fine with HBC's hair for Julia, but if they change it up a bit, that's fine too!
I'm used to Joan's hair for Liz, so I'd like to see dark hair for the role, but Michelle keeping her natural hair isn't gonna make me dislike her performance or her take on the role.
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We don't know for sure that Vicki is a waitress. Many entertainment Web sites are jumping to that conclusion - but just as many are jumping to the conclusion that Vicki is a governess. [snow_undecided]
All we do actually know is that the character who's supposedly a waitress and who resembles Barn's long-lost love will be played by Bella Heathcote. But for some reason(s) that may or may not make any sense in the future, Variety is not reporting the character name of the waitress.
So, at this point anything about Vicki would appear to be speculation...
Changing reels, I see that another person has been added to the film's art department: James Carson has been hired as the film's concept artist. And apparently he's already worked with Rick Heinrichs on several other films.
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Well, I don't really know how I feel about a ... blond Frankenstein Monster
You'd need look no further than Dan Curtis' TV adaptation of the Frankenstein tale:
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/dvd/reviews/article_1369524.php/DVD_Review_Frankenstein_1973
(best image of Bo Svenson as the monster is halfway down the page)
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Variety is well aware of the fact that it has not reported the role Bella will be playing in the movie. I wrote to the writer of Variety's last DS article and brought this ommission to his attention. The writer responded with "Thanks for writing". Oh well I gave it a try but I really didn't expect him to be very responsive. So the bottom line is Variety is not reporting Bella's character either because they simply don't know or most likely it was told by TPTB not to divulge it for whatever reason.
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It would certainly appear that the omission of any character name is deliberate on Variety's part. Once could be an oversight, but not three times. And as I said, I find the fact that it's happened three times to be fascinating.
And as for Dracula's hair color, I've seen actors with black, brown, blond and gray hair play him. About the only hair color I haven't seen is red - but there's probably at least one out there somewhere...
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ACK, Midnite! You have shattered all of my dreams! Never have seen the Curtis Frankenstein and have only seen part of his Dracula. I plan on watching all of Dracula very soon. At least, Palance looks the way I envision part. (And, I'm also fine with gray and white-haired Draculas, but the blond throws me a bit.) From what I've seen of the Curtis movie, it reminds me a lot of Hammer's take, except for that exceptional music box melody, which must be the work of Robert Cobert.
Speaking of Bob, when do we suppose we'll hear who shall be doing the music for the film? Is that usually done after filming is complete?
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I plan on watching all of Dracula very soon.
Get ready to see how DC lifted scenes shot for shot out of his version of Dracula and dropped them into the '91 Series. Apparently simply doing the same with hoDS wasn't enough for him.
Speaking of Bob, when do we suppose we'll hear who shall be doing the music for the film? Is that usually done after filming is complete?
Scoring is one of the last things to be done with a film. Though that doesn't mean that we'll have to wait that long before we might hear who will score the Depp/DS film.
At the moment Danny Elfman is listed on IMDb - but "rumored" is also listed after his name.
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Didn't Bob Cobert recently say that he was going to consult or collaborate on the movie, even though he is happily retired? And I do seem to remember Elfman's name coming from somewhere in addition to IMDb. It's not a stretch- there are very few Burton movies that Elfman did *not* do the music for (Ed Wood and Sweeney Todd are the only ones I can recall).
Re. a blond Frankenstein monster, this probably doesn't count, but Rocky Horror immediately came to mind [snow_cheesy]
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at this point i certainly don't find the 'variety' omission to be remotely "fascinating" but more annoying than anything else and a bit disturbing.
it's almost like they're doing something that they know might upset fans. like creating an unknown character outside the traditional DS mythology. if it's not vicki or maggie who the heck is she?
i realize that "we" are not necessarily the target audience for this thing as it needs to appeal to millions of new viewers completely unfamiliar with these characters. but still it would be upsetting if this ends up being an outside character.
the good will of the highly devoted fanbase would go a long here. [snow_huh]
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I think all the words mentioned here regarding what role Bella will be playing are applicable. There is no doubt in my mind that Variety is intentionally witholding that information. The question is why it refuses to divulge said information. I think it is irresponsible for this famed publication to take this position. Its reporting looks sloppy and intentionally incomplete. Variety didn't think enough to ask the DS producers what character (name) she will be playing? Isn't this journalism 101? Is it because by revealing her character's name it would reveal a storyline that TPTB don't want us to know? All we know is that the character Victoria Winters will be in the movie and maybe Maggie Evans too. Maybe Victoria Winters is first a waitress and then is asked to be the governess? There is no reason to speculate about Bella's role. Variety needs to be more journalistic responsible imo.
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Didn't Bob Cobert recently say that he was going to consult or collaborate on the movie, even though he is happily retired?
The only thing I recall is Taeylor's posts saying that a friend who knows Cobert told him that Depp and Burton have been trying to persuade Cobert to work in some capacity on the film but that he didn't know if Cobert would or not.
Re. a blond Frankenstein monster, this probably doesn't count, but Rocky Horror immediately came to mind [snow_cheesy]
How quickly we forget! [snow_wink]
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Variety didn't think enough to ask the DS producers what character (name) she will be playing?
I really doubt that's the case - especially considering that with all the other actors they have included their character names in their reports.
Is it because by revealing her character's name it would reveal a storyline that TPTB don't want us to know?
That could be behind the reasoning - I don't know. But I would definitely hazard a guess that the reason no character name has been included for Bella Heathcote's character is because the person connected to the Depp/DS film who is supplying Variety with its info doesn't want the character name published just yet and Variety is accommodating them (and the fact that they are accommodating them is what I find so fascinating). We can only speculate why that is. But I wouldn't blame Variety for the omission.
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I honestly don't think there is anything diabolical involved. Variety is not sitting around just waiting for every piece of information for DS alone- it has hundreds of other projects that it is reporting on. It gets what information it is given to publish, and if it's incomplete to us, it's because as MB said, it is because that is all the info they have at present. It doesn't mean it won't publish more later. I don't think the writers at Variety are sweating it as much as we are!
There could be any number of reasons why Bella's character wasn't named, from either that they felt the main point was to name the actress and the type of role she would play, not thinking this character's name was necessarily important (YES, I know it's important to us diehards, but to most of the film world it is just a detail), or that she will possibly be a character that is neither Vicki nor Maggy and the name thus not important right now. For The Rum Diary, I remember it was awhile before all the characters werie named, and it ended up having to do with one main character being omitted and others being combined- it took awhile before the eventual names were listed. Another possibility was that somehow the name could be a spoiler of some sort. For Sweeney Todd, one character's name was changed a couple of times in news reports because it was a spoiler (if you've seen the movie or the show, you know what I mean). In this case, it could have to do with a flashback to another/dual role (Josette?)
Let's try to be objective here, the filming hasn't even started yet- there is plenty of time to learn all the details. Heck, just yesterday I was looking at the Rango listing on IMDb, and I saw that Johnny is playing Rango and "Lars". Who the heck is Lars?? And it's less than 2 weeks before the film is released, if "Lars" even turns out to be legit. Just trying to point out that it's not that unusual for not all the info to be immediately known.
All this said, of course, I can't wait to know the answer! [snow_laugh]
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I believe I am being objective here and I stand by my previous post. If you don't believe I am being objective then so be it.
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And I stand by mine. My post was WELL within reason, and if you don't like what I say, jimbo, then so be it.
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Madscntst my post was well within reason. I stand by it. Madscntst if you don't like it so be it.
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Let's please let it go at that.
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I am just happy that the movie is finally coming together. That is all. [snow_wink] And yes I did mention a friend of mine is very close with Bob. Johnny has contacted him but I don't know what capacity he may work in. As I said before I am sure that sounds odd; however,he said I could tell people as long as I mention his name. He is a very private man. I assure you though he is VERY close with Cobert.
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Amen, Taeylor.
With so many Hollywood A listers coming aboard, this film will put DS on a level playing field with Star Trek.
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why do we care about being "on a level playing field" as star trek?
isn't our relatively small but loyal fanbase enough? i don't think it needs to turn into such a circus.
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This is all I am going to say cause I don't want to get off topic. I am thankful for our small loyal fan base but I wouldn't mind for many many more to come into the fold. Why not? DS should be shared with many people. It's an amazing piece of work.
On the Star Trek front I was just saying that Star Trek people seem to be happy with anything Star Trek. And I am not a Trekkie by any means. However, I have been watching Next Gen and it's a quality show. Yet this fandom seems closed minded. I just think if we had more open people in this fandom we may see a show someday about David and his kids and family and/or other spin offs of the DS franchise.
Whether we like it or not, this movie is probably going to be a BIG deal and bring all kinds of new people to Dark Shadows. There will be many who aren't tainted by the original (I don't mean that disrespectfully) who will just watch it because JD's name is attached. If it's anything like Alice it's going to be huge. So we may want to prepare ourselves for it.
I am looking forward to hearing more hopefully this next week about the new movie. I am hoping we get confirmation about Michelle P. I am so hopeful she is going to be ECS! And hopefully we will get some more confirmation on who else may be in the movie and what the plot may be. Although, I am thinking that the plot is probably under lock and key.
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Our fan base is so small we often have to fight to keep the franchise alive.
It needs to be bigger: this film can do that.
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IMDB is now listing Heathcote's character as someone named...
"Vicki Winters."
This was not up when I looked just a few days ago. Not really sure how IMDB works, but the name is not hyperlinked like the other characters mentioned, so I am not sure what implications that may have. Maybe it's because it is not listed as ''Victoria Winters,'' which also, for some reason, leads me to suspect that she is employed in a local diner. Maybe it's the MaggIE effect.
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According to TB's Editor the DS movie will start filming in May as ET reported and he said some positive things about the movie.
http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=74400
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This was not up when I looked just a few days ago.
It wasn't up as recently as about 1am ET today, which is when I last checked, so it was only added within the few hours between the time I looked and you found it.
Not really sure how IMDB works, but the name is not hyperlinked like the other characters mentioned, so I am not sure what implications that may have. Maybe it's because it is not listed as ''Victoria Winters,'' which also, for some reason, leads me to suspect that she is employed in a local diner. Maybe it's the MaggIE effect.
Character names are hyperlinked if a character page has been created for them. If you notice, under the actor/character listing it says "Create a character page for:," then there's a drop down menu, and that's followed by a "Create" button. If whoever had added the name had entered "Victoria Winters," then I suppose it would be hyperlinked to the already existing page. However, it might be significant that they put Vicki rather than Victoria IF it's because they didn't want the name to link to the existing character page because the film's Vicki is different in some way from the previous Victorias (for example: the film's Vicki Winters is a waitress).
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I wouldn't read too much into the 'Vicki' thing. For instance, the 1991 series scripts called the character that throughout.
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Here's a link to the original Hollywood Reporter article:
"Alice in Wonderland" editor Chris Lebenzon revealed details on longtime collaborator Tim Burton's next projects, "Frankenweenie" and "Dark Shadows," at Saturday night's ACE Eddie Awards. (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/christopher-nolan-credits-editor-lee-159655)
However, his comments about the Depp/DS film were copied word for word by comingsoon.net.
It's fantastic that Lebenzon says, Its a relationship movie. Its a lot of interaction of characters, from past and present, because I suspect that's exactly what most of us want to hear.
And it's interesting that he mentions beginning work in May. That could mean the start has indeed been moved to May - or it could simply mean he doesn't begin work until May. Editors don't always begin work at the same time a film begins shooting. Though these days, with all the digital editing tools available, it's often the case that footage is indeed edited on the same day or the day after it's shot. So, as per usual, only time will tell...
Thanks for the link, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
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Thanks for the link too MB. I agree with the fact that some shooting may start earlier than May. The myentertainmentworld website revised the DS listing today but the start date of April 11 did not change. http://www.myentertainmentworld.com/mew/film_production_newlisting.html
As for Vickie the waitress possible scenario we still need someone to keep an eye on David. j/k Hopefully we will receive some confirmed news on that front.
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The fact that it's going to be a "relationship movie and a lot of interaction of characters from past and present" makes me EXTREMELY happy and excited! YAY!
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The myentertainmentworld website revised the DS listing today but the start date of April 11 did not change.
Interesting. And IMDb's listing is still saying April, too, despite having made additions. Though with IMDb one can't always be sure what's right or wrong...
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If viki is going to be a waitress for the whole movie not just the start then there may be no david in the movie or roger i hope david is in the film. david was not a minor charater on the show for a kid charater he had a lot of stories
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Well, there are only two members of the Collins family in the whole movie right now, and one's dead. So I would imagine they would have to fill that house with someone. I would hope Roger would be one of those someones, as his snarky dialogue cannot be missed. I am sure that we'd have to have a Carolyn Collins Stoddard.
But, David is interesting. If he doesn't have a governess, he could be off at boarding school (or back home from boarding school for vacation). He could also be in the local school. And maybe he gets a governess in the second film. Or maybe Maggie Evans is the governess. Too many possibilities to fathom at this point.
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But, I think more important that all of that is WHERE and HOW does this movie end? Let's look at the plot for a second: Barnabas returns to Collinsport and finds someone who resembles his lost love. Angelique plays a part. Hoffman plays a part. And Elizabeth is most likely doing her own thing. I would hope we'd avoid the HODS ending. And I would want something more definitive than Barnabas is cured, but that is a possible ending and it could work as long as there was enough action leading to that point. Hoffman is an epic battle with Angelique to get the cure to take effect. Barnabas is in an epic battle with Angelique to win over Vicki. I can see it working.
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i'm always surprised when references to the elizabeth blackmail storyline are mentioned in terms of this film. with so many other things happening i'd be surprised if this was even touched upon. i'd have thought the willie character would already have been ensconced at collinwood(as he was in the 1991 series)to eliminate a lengthy introduction to that character.
i'm sure roger,carolyn and david will be among the next parts cast. and for god's sake mrs.johnson MUST answer the door when a certain cousin from england comes to call. she'd be a fun bit of stunt casting with an original actress(marie wallace,perhaps?).
i know we're still speculating(aren't we?)but vicki as a waitress is kind of a bummer. the whole "jane eyre" component of the gothic governess is elemental to the DS mythology. it was pivotal to dan curtis' conception of this whole story.
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I've always felt that ever since the middle of the original series, with a few prominent exceptions, Elizabeth was seen a throw-away character, and that should never have happened with Joan Bennett in the role. But, it happened again in HODS and it happened in the revival. In those two version, some of Hollywood's classiest stars were cast, and then treated to very little plot. In the new version, I hope that Elizabeth gets a good plot, as she deserves it, being the stalwart of regality, power, and family pride. I can actually see the blackmailing being a good set-up to the release of Barnabas, except Barnabas's 200-year-resting place may have to be dug up in a new location. [snow_wink]
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Character names are hyperlinked if a character page has been created for them. ... If whoever had added the name had entered "Victoria Winters," then I suppose it would be hyperlinked to the already existing page.
Interestingly, I see that the name is now hyperlinked and does link to the existing page on IMDb. However, there is no character bio on the page or any sort of description of her, so the fact that it is now linking doesn't shed any light whatsoever on what type of character she will be in the Depp/DS film. And considering that apparently anyone can go to the page and create a character bio, it may not matter much even if there was one. For example, any one of us could go there, write about how Victoria Winters was a governess in the original series, the '91 series, and the '04 pilot but there's a possibility Vicki Winters will be a waitress in Johnny Depp's version of DS, and if IMDb were to approve that, it would go up on the page...
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Hmmm... This is really interesting. I guess the best thing we can hope for, in terms of clarification, is an upcoming Variety article to say something like this: "Heathcote, who will be playing a waitress named Vicki Winters..." Until then, I guess we won't really know for sure.
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i wonder if there going to make david a teenager and thats why viki,is not going going to be a governess i hope not.
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Hmmm... This is really interesting.
An interesting question is why the info on IMDb needs to be approved before it's actually posted? It could be possible that it's merely to check for obscenity because, quite obviously, it isn't to check for accuracy. If accuracy was an issue, things like Kirsten Van Wagner's name being posted as Vicki would have never happened...
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i know we're still speculating(aren't we?)but vicki as a waitress is kind of a bummer. the whole "jane eyre" component of the gothic governess is elemental to the DS mythology. it was pivotal to dan curtis' conception of this whole story.
My sentiments EXACTLY! I can't imagine Dark Shadows without wide-eyed governess Victoria Winters coming to the mysterious house known as Collinwood. It was the very genesis of this great saga, has been used in every previous version (with Maggie substituting for Victoria in HODS), and is just as integral to making Dark Shadows feel like Dark Shadows as Barnabas' arrival is. Anything less will be much more than a bummer for me. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that they stay true to Dan Curtis' vision.
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just a thought but are we all giving the 'variety' reportage too much credence?
i mean DOZENS of other websites are referencing the victoria character as a "governess" not a "waitress" but we're all spinning out on this one description.
i realize that 'variety' is a highly respected trade news outlet but are all of these other stories and reports wrong?
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I'm going to mention this again, simply because 'tis something of a bee in my bonnet. My own hope is that Barnabas does not meet a genuine reincarnation of Josette. It is a cliche, one that the original series avoided until the 1897 storyline, and it takes away from a lot of the drama I loved in the original introduction of Barnabas.
Remember--neither Maggie nor Vicki were reincarnations of Josette, although the former certainly resembled her. Frankly that was a better plot, and I soooooo hope the new film avoids retreading that well-worn groove.
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So far no one seems to have used that particular R-word with regard to Bella Heathcote's chacter in the Depp/DS film. The only R-word I've seen is "resembles," as in Heathcote will play a waitress who resembles Barn's long-lost love.
And speaking about the waitress issue, there are also many Web sites that are reporting that Heathcote will play a waitress in the Depp/DS film (I gave up counting after the 7th page of listings came up in Google, which means there are more than 60 out there). The thing about the waitress vs. governess issue, though, is that practically every, if not every report on the Internet regarding Heathcote's casting can be traced back to just two Web sites: the deadline.com site or Variety's site. If a site cites deadline.com as their source, Heathcote will play governess Victoria Winters. But if they cite Variety, then Heathcote will play an unnamed waitress. So, unless, like Maggie on the original series, the character is both a waitress and a governess at various points in the script, many Web sites will turn out to to have gotten it wrong depending out which source they decided to put their trust in. And unfortunately we're not going to know which is which until some point down the road when someone (quite possibly Marcy Robin of ShadowGram) finally clues us in. Though it's certainly also fun to try to read the tea leaves as different things pop up...
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According to Atwood, Costume Designer she said several things on the video that Johnny was fitted today, the script is funny and the movie may be campy.
http://thedishrag.com/2011/02/johnny-depp-is-already-trying-on-his-dark-shadows-costumes/
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The Internet giveth (Chris Lebenzon's remarks the other day) and the Internet taketh away (Colleen Atwood's remark's today).
If it was simply a case of that site saying those things, I'd take it with a grain of salt because that's a tabloid site. But it's hard to ignore seeing Atwood say such things in her own words and in person...
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I think we have to be concerned again about the script being described again as funny. Ms. Atwood didn't exactly say that she read the script and she wasn't totally sure if the movie will be campy. Perhaps she was told the script was funny. On the other hand she may have read it and thought the script was indeed funny which makes her the second DS personnel to state it will be a funny movie. I just don't see it. I also wish they resolved the Bella character issue.
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did anyone else notice that this site also had an article describing elizabeth stoddard as barnabas' "sister".
weird! [snow_huh]
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I did - which just shows their lack of commitment to accuracy. And if the woman who runs the site is the same person who interviewed Atwood in the video, then apparently she couldn't have paid too much attention when she supposedly ran home from school to watch DS or else she would know Liz wasn't Barn's sister. And it's the site's shoddy tabloidy reporting that would otherwise have me doubting what they've written about the film being funny if it wasn't for the video where we get to see and hear Atwood's comments for ourselves...
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"It's gonna be good. It's really a funny script!"
If she has, in fact, read it, I really don't have any idea what direction they could possibly be taking this story in. The reports from the various entertainment journals have indicated no such thing - unless we've been reading them wrong. Willie is a conman. Heathcote resembles Barnabas's lost love. Maybe we're just misinterpreting the whole shebang. I have no idea how all of those elements can add up to be "really funny," but maybe that's because we're used to seeing a serious take on the story, and that is what we are expecting.
If this is the case, I am beginning to believe the commercials for the '91 series more and more... "Dark Shadows as it was meant to be!" It might be the closest to a serious cinematic version we'll ever see. Because, if this is funny, it is not as it was meant to be. It just shouldn't happen.
Let's hope these reports are wrong.
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Didn't someone connected with the film--was it Tim Burton?--say that they were going to deal with Barnabas being a man out of his time? That this time around Barn wouldn't just know about things like telephones, electricity, cars, etc., upon his release into the modern world? If so, perhaps that is the part that is deemed "very funny," and not the overall film? I don't know...just trying to stay a bit optimistic.
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Seems to me like there's plenty of potential for humor without camp, in DS as well as elsewhere. That quote bothers me not at all. And while getting a detail wrong about the forty-year-old source material may be (well, is) sloppy, I don't think it deserves to be called "shoddy" or in any sense smacking of tabloids.
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And while getting a detail wrong about the forty-year-old source material may be (well, is) sloppy, I don't think it deserves to be called "shoddy" or in any sense smacking of tabloids.
I didn't simply craft my remark about the site's shoddy tabloidy reporting based on the Michelle Pfeiffer piece. I based it on way too many of the other articles I'd read before I gave up on the site because of its shoddy tabloidy reporting. Unfortunately, anyone who reads enough of what they traffic in there will see exactly what I mean. [snow_sad]
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Why, oh why, do people constantly refer to the original DS as being "campy"? Any campiness was strictly in the eyes of the beholder, due to the budget of the show and the nature of it being a daily soap (where the actors and crew have only a day to learn, rehearse, and produce one episode). If anything, I would call the show "naive" (the only word I can think of); it took the material seriously, and presented it simply but earnestly.
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Seems to me like there's plenty of potential for humor without camp, in DS as well as elsewhere.
I'm inclined to agree. Over the weekend, I saw The King's Speech, which I described to a friend as "very funny." It's definitely a dramatic movie, but the dialogue is also very clever and humorous. I was laughing throughout the film. Maybe the humor in DS will also be highbrow instead of campy.
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I hope so, ProfStokes. And I hope most of the humor comes from witty exchanges between Liz and Roger, Hoffman and Barnabas, and Roger and anybody else. The original was funny, but the scripts were not "very funny;" they had funny dialogue sometimes, but they weren't, as whole pieces, meant to be funny.
But, maybe there will be some insider jokes. Maybe flies will attack somebody when they walk into a crypt... [snow_clown]
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I hope so too. I have to admit I cringed and abandoned all hope when I heard it was going to be a Tim Burton oeuvre, but I'm inclined to be ever so slightly hopeful now that Michelle Pfeiffer may play Elizabeth.
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Article appearing in today's New York Daily News about Johnny Depp dressed up for the Oscars-a bit OT but the new DS movie is mentioned.
http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2011/02/24/2011-02-24_johnny_depp_is_risktaker_hollywoods_last_dandy_with_quirky_diverse_red_carpet_ou.html
As far as the "funny script" is concerned JD did state that he wasn't going to deviate much from Frid's portrayal so at this point I am just hoping for the best.
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but the new DS movie is mentioned.
Uh, 'they'll make "Dark Shadows" next year.' I think they're a bit off there. Presumably they meant that the Depp/DS film will come out next year - not that it will be made next year. But hey, what's a little thing like accuracy anymore? [snow_cheesy] [snow_rolleyes] [snow_sad]
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I was going to mention that but from all we have seen I am no longer expecting a DS article that is complete and accurate and that is unfortunate. sigh
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I personally think some of the humor may come from the fact that Barnabas is thrust from 1790 or 1795 or maybe earlier for this film and thrust into 2011 with tweeting, facebook and all kinds of new fangled stuff. I can see Johnny playing stuff like that funnily!
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Re. the Johnny diet rumor, I wouldn't put too much stock in that. It is a tabloid report, and we are constantly hearing complete fabrications
Speaking of which, it just dawned on me that Colleen Atwood's remark about Depp having his first costume fitting with her earlier this week would seem to completely torpedo any notion of Depp subjecting himself to a green tea diet to get down to 140 pounds for the film. Obviously (and thankfully) he doesn't weigh 140 pounds now - and if he was planning to diet down to 140 pounds, chances aren't very likely that they would be doing any sort of costume fittings until he reached that weight. Chalk up what would certainly seem to be one more complete fabrication (with made up quotes, no less - but then, making up quotes isn't exactly something that tabloids are above doing, now are they? [snow_rolleyes]).
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Not necessarily, MB... Often a costume fitting, particularly early ones, can just be the process of trying on stock clothes at a costume house to get a feel for potential looks, not fitting actual final costumes.
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Perhaps. Though I have to confess that I took Colleen Atwood's remark that she was happy that she'd had her first fitting with Depp to mean that she was happy to have a fitting with him with one or more of her own designs. But perhaps I was reading more into her remark than she actually meant and perhaps the process of even just seeing an actor trying on stock clothes at a costume house makes her happy. [idontknow]
Speaking of costumes, I see where the film has added Sheena Wichary as its costume coordinator. But what's more interesting is that the art department has added Dan Maslen as the animatic artist. Not that there was much doubt that there would be CGI in the film, but his addition would seem to confirm it.
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Helena Bonham Carter describes the role of Julia as an 'alcoholic psychiatrist' while being interviewed on the Oscar's red carpet:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/vampiresandslayers/news/?a=30979 (http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/vampiresandslayers/news/?a=30979)
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Here's a direct link to the MTV video: Helena Bonham Carter On Playing An 'Alcoholic Psychiatrist' (http://www.mtv.com/videos/movies/626640/helena-bonham-carter-on-playing-an-alcoholic-psychiatrist.jhtml#id=1658595)
So, Julia will be an alcoholic in the film. Not that many characters were far off from being alcoholics on the original series - but it will definitely add an interesting dimension to the character that's never been there before. Also, Julia's thirst for liquor could make her identify more with Barnabas' thirst for blood, so that could easily make their relationship even more fascinating than usual.
It's also nice to hear someone say "fun part" instead of that the film itself will be funny...
Thanks for the heads up, Sara. [snow_wink]
(And love the sherry spiking test. So THAT's what that dream was really supposed to be. [wink2])
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Another Johnny Depp interview where he attempts to explain the new version and take on the script.
http://collider.com/johnny-depp-interview-rango-dark-shadows/78172/
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Another Johnny Depp interview where he attempts to explain the new version and take on the script.
Among the many things that are fascinating with this film is that it's seemingly as if Depp has his hands on a totally different script than others do. Obviously that's not the case. But it's interesting to say the least that Richard D. Zanuck and Colleen Atwood have described the script as being funny, yet Depp has talked about how dark Barnabas will be, how his take on Barn will be very close to Frid's (which is certainly a serious take on the character), and how things are in keeping with the original series (which always took its subject matter seriously and presented it as such). I am sure that eventually we will be able to reconcile the seeming disparity of descriptions. But I suppose that until then we just have to hold on to what Depp says, particularly when he's closer to the project than the others who have commented are and it's his interpretation of the script that's going to be front and center...
Thanks for the link, jimbo [snow_smiley]
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Hmmm - I see where IMDb has changed Bella Heathcote's character name from Vicki to Victoria. They've also changed Helena Bonham Carter's status to "rumored."
[snow_huh]
Also, despite those reports that say the film will begin shooting in May, they're still saying April...
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Thanks for that link, MB. I did play the interview out of simple curiosity to see what JD would say about the series.
Maybe the simple explanation of the difference in how the script is being described is that Zanuck and Atwood are suits who don't have a clue, while Depp is a fan and reads the material through a fan's eyes?
I thought HBC looked less than excited to be playing Julia in her Oscar clip. I chalk it up to extreme nervousness as she realizes just WHOSE shoes she's stepping into--one of the most distinguished actresses of the 20th century!
I would love a stunt cameo for Mrs Johnson--I'm thinking Kathy Bates?
G.
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It sounded like HBC was hoping to play Angelique. But maybe it was just meant to be a joke that her honey Tim Burton thought she was better suited to play an "alcoholic psychiatrist" than a "sexy witch"? Ribbing between lovers and spouses doesn't always translate well.
Not sure how I feel about the "alcoholic" tag. A parallel between the need for alcohol and the need for blood could give the character of Julia a little something extra besides the usual she loved him from afar motivation. But, for all we know, Tim Burton may think all the "normal" characters in the old series were alcoholics!
I'm wondering when we are going to hear something about the remainder of the casting? Who will play Roger, Carolyn, David? Since they are still describing Elizabeth as a "matriarch", I'm assuming she still has a family.
And will there be a Maggie? Or would two main ingenues be too much for a (I'm guessing) two-hour movie?
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Updating the new DS motion picture starring Johnny Depp and directed by Tim Burton:
SG reported screenwriter John August wrote a draft script. Last July, Seth Grahame-Smith was brought in to "revise" the script. Seth's "been working to finish it and is making final polishes. The film promises to be faithful to the DS legacy as well as infusing the unique style and personality of Johnny Depp and his longtime collaborator Tim Burton. The storyline expects to introduce new elements not seen in previous tellings of DS.
"It is expected the entire movie will be shot at Pinewood Studios in England and on location. The creative production staff that has been hired worked with Depp and Burton on previous genre pictures such as SLEEPY HOLLOW and SWEENEY TODD. Danny Elfman, Burton's music composer of choice, will score the film with new material, though Robert Cobert's original theme will likely be integrated into the production also."
As of SG's press date, "production was expected to begin in May and run several months. Post-production will go into next year, with theatrical release expected in 2012."
Well, that would seem to answer some of our questions.
The film promises to be faithful to the DS legacy. That's definitely good to see in print again.
The film will be infused with the unique style and personality of Johnny Depp. No problems there - especially given Depp's own remarks.
The film will be infused with the unique style and personality of Tim Burton. Less reassurance there - especially given Burton's own remarks. But one can certainly hope that he won't go overboard infusing his "unique style and personality."
The storyline expects to introduce new elements not seen in previous tellings of DS. Excellent to hear that the story won't be a complete rehash of what's come before. Though the producers had said already that changes were going to be made.
Danny Elfman will score the film with new material, though Robert Cobert's original theme will likely be integrated into the production also. So apparently Cobert is quite happy in his retirement. But then, it was a long shot that he would come out of retirement to score the film. And from what I've seen(or should that be heard ;)) of Elfman's work, particularly in The Wolfman, I'm confident he will do a good job of capturing the DS vibe.
Start of production has indeed been shifted to May. (Entertainment Weekly's Web site was on top and out front on reporting the shift.)
Post-production will go into next year. That's an interesting new element. Seemingly there will be a lot of effects, visual and otherwise, and they'll take months to work on. Though I suppose that shouldn't be surprising.
Theatrical release is expected in 2012. No surprise there.
But still no hint about the waitress vs. governess question...
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This isn't really film related, but Helena Bonham Carter gets so much flack for what she wears at awards shows (particularly from people like Joan Rivers) that I thought this video is interesting simply for the fact that we get to hear HBC's thoughts on why she wears what she wears: Helena Bonham Carter: "I just want to wear what I want." (http://www.tvguide.com/video/player.aspx) (Cameo by Helen Mirren.)
(The link to the video is currently at the top of the page, but it will move down as more are added...)
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I thought HBC's ensemble was very elegant and distinctive, maybe even with some witty references to some of Tim Burton's hobbyhorses.
I've always found Joan Rivers to be a shrieking, neon-lit, cybernetic harridan. I heard that a documentary about her showed that there is still a person inside that plastic casing--I leave it for others to discover.
IMO Americans take fashion far too seriously. The only time it gets really interesting is when people let loose and wear something extravagant, flamboyant, and possessing real character. Otherwise it gets really boxy and robotic.
cheers, G.
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Thanks MB. It seems to me that the movie will be filmed in 3-D if it is going to take that long in post production. If the movie starts filming in May and is expected to film for several months that still leaves approximately 5 months in 2011 for post production work. Perhaps as soon as the movie is filmed TB will immediately move on to another project and later in the year return to complete post production on the DS movie. Just thinking at loud. But we did learn several things today and confirmed.
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Do you think they're still planning on doing DS in 3D? I don't see the point. Plus, I thought I read something recently about a significant fall-off in box office returns on 3D movies.
Even without 3D, if it doesn't start filming until May, it would be surprising for a production of this size to complete post work in 2011. I'm hoping for release earlier rather than later in 2012, though!!
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I'm just still finding it hard to really believe there's all this talk all around the place about Dark Shadows, with big names associated with it. Rather surreal! I mean, HBC talking about DS on the red carpet at the Oscars!?! This is just totally way beyond awesome!
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I have been at my grandmothers (without a computer but it's been nice to get away) so I am excited about all the news! I think the alcoholic spin on Julia sounds great. You know the biggest complaint over the years has been DS has been redone over and over with the same outcome. I personally think this is great development and it will lend itself to reinventing the DS. I didn't want HBC at first but I am warming up to her. :) I thought she looked great at the Oscars. However, when I saw Cate Blanchett I couldn't help but long for her to play Julia. Nevertheless, I know she is capable hands with an Oscar Nominee!
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I adore Cate Blanchett, and the idea of her being in DS would be great; yeah, I could see her as Julia. If in a sequel they happened to incorporate Laura into the story, maybe that would be a good role for her.
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I see on IMDb where the film has added Joel Harlow as its makeup department head. Previously Harlow has worked as Depp's personal makeup artist on The Rum Diary, The Tourist, and Alice in Wonderland and as the makeup department head on Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides, so I suppose it's not that much of a surprise to see he's been added.
One thing I'm almost as curious about as the script is what look Depp will go for for Barn...
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It's March, they start next month, isn't it time to cast more roles?
Roger
Carolyn
David
Prof Stokes
Joe Haskell/Jeff Clark/Burke (I suspect these roles will be combined)
Sherrif
Sarah
Mrs Johnson
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This appears to be a little dated and largely restates what's already been reported, but I hadn't seen it posted here:
http://blogs.indiewire.com/thompsononhollywood/2011/02/16/directors_keep_it_in_the_family_dark_knight_rises_dark_shadows/#
In a two hour movie that will include Barnabas, Julia, Elizabeth, Willy, Angelique and Victoria Winters, I won't be stunned if we've pretty much run the course of the major players in this version. There's only so much screen time to go around. I suspect that characters such as Carolyn and Roger will be minor in this adaptation.
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BTW, for the people worried about the movie having humor, I suspect it will be along the lines of the discussion in the "second story" in this Saturday Night Live Weekend Update skit about the second amendment:
http://www.hulu.com/watch/207600/saturday-night-live-update-favorites-jan-15-2011#s-p3-sr-i3
The thought of Barnabas seeing cars and airplanes within minutes of being freed by Willy lends itself to many opportunities for humor.
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Sorry, Gothick, I know that Ms Hall and Helena BC have both been Oscar nominated, but I have to think Helena's is the more distinguished film career of the two, though I know Grayson did a lot on stage. I think we should just try to enjoy this new movie on its own merits, and maybe not try to compare a two hour movie to a 1225 episode soap---I think the movie will fly or fail on its own merits, and at least they have Angelique in the new movie, which was a major omission in HODS, at least to me... [snow_huh]
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For what it's worth, Helena describes her role as "only a small part."
I'm big on the Big Society, says Helena (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1362750/Helena-Bonham-Carter-says-shes-big-David-Camerons-Big-Society.html)
(scroll down to near the end, just above the Charlie Sheen photo)
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Interesting that Julia will only be a small part in the film. But then, she didn't figure too prominently in the pilot for the '91 Series and her participation was almost nonexistent in the '04 pilot. True, in both of those cases the role was to be expanded in the TV series - but there's also the possibility that this film will kick off a franchise. We saw comments like that a year or so ago, Variety mentioned it last month, and back when Jackie Earle Haley's and Bella Heathcote's casting was reported in The Wall Street Journal, it was also reported that Warner Brothers is supposedly hoping to make a DS trilogy (though that was the first I've heard of a trilogy - and who knows where WSJ got the info?). If that's true, perhaps Burton & Co. have deliberately kept Julia's part in this film small with the intention of expanding her in subsequent films should they get made...
It's very nice to see you posting, usffan. I'll definitely check out the SNL clip when I get a chance later today.
And as for Angelique's absence in hoDS, we don't actually know that she was involved in that Barn's curse. I've always found it interesting that Barn says, "When they put this curse upon me..." But I definitely agree that Angelique's presence in this film should make for a much richer story.
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It's reassuring to hear the film will be faithful to the DS legacy. I'm banking on the fact that Depp and Burton are both fans of the classic series. We shall see...
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Latest additions behind the scenes are to the visual effects department. Angus Bickerton has been added as visual effects supervisor, and Barrie Hemsley as visual effects producer.
With Bickerton, perhaps the most interesting thing from our POV could be that he worked on Interview with the Vampire. And it would seem as if he and Hemsley already have a working relationship because they've worked on many of the same projects. Bickerton previously worked with Burton on Batman. Hemsley doesn't seem to have any connections to Burton or Depp - however, he has won two Primetime Emmys: for his work on HBO's Rome and The Life and Death of Peter Sellers, as well as two awards for Rome from the Visual Effects Society. Bickerton has two awards from UK's Royal Television Society - one for the BBC TV series Red Dwarf and one for BBC/HBO's Band of Brothers.
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Small part could also mean that Julia makes her entrance a little later in the film. If they are intending to stay somewhat true to the series, then it should be remembered that Julia wasn't even in Collinsport yet when Barnabas was first released. She came in some two months later. On the other hand, who knows how they will condense all of that for the film. Angelique wasn't around then either.
I find it interesting that we still know relatively little about Bella Heathcote's character, other than the governess vs. waitress/Josette lookalike controversy.
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I find it interesting that we still know relatively little about Bella Heathcote's character, other than the governess vs. waitress/Josette lookalike controversy.
It's gotten to the point where it's hard to imagine that isn't intentional. But who knows...
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And as for Angelique's absence in hoDS, we don't actually know that she was involved in that Barn's curse. I've always found it interesting that Barn says, "When they put this curse upon me..."
I always, interestingly enough, interpreted that as if he Barnabas were talking about the Leviathans, considering the time that the script was drafted.
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Intriguingly, I see on IMDb where the film's art department has added Bruce Gordon as sculptor. He's worked previously with Burton on Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, as well as on other films as varied as The Young Victoria (produced by Graham King), Nine, Clash of the Titans, Casino Royale and The Wolfman.
It's seeming like more and more of the technical people who worked on The Wolfman will also be working on the Depp/DS film. And considering how well The Wolfman turned out, that can't be a bad thing.
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Sorry, but I did not see this mentioned anywhere else. Apparently there are indications that this film will be set in our favorite time period. Take a look here: http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/03/vintage-look-for-dark-shadows-movie.html
And, apparently, Helena has reportedly stated that it will be set in the '70s, though I cannot find a source to verify this information.
Truly exciting news, as this is what I wanted to see.
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Kathryn Leigh Scott Writes Shadows-Inspired Novel (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/03/kathryn-leigh-scott-writes-dark-shadows.html)
Why is that link in this topic? Well, because KLS has read the script for the Depp/DS film, and she briefly comments on it in the interview. (Thank you for asking the question, Stuart [snow_smiley]) Interesting - the word "funny" doesn't appear once in her comment.
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That would be great news to me if the movie did take place in the 60s or 70s. Frankly the nonstop appearances of cellphones, computers & other gizmos seem to get in the way (and not to mention date) modern horror flicks for me. Last thing I want to see is a scene of Dr Hoffman googling vampire cures on her iPhone or somethin. [tngg]
KLS's book also sounds quite interesting & a bit like the Shadow-Town novel. http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Town-John-Lutz/dp/0445403438/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3J45AF87I2QP1&colid=2OR1B2VN7W8FB (http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-Town-John-Lutz/dp/0445403438/ref=wl_it_dp_o?ie=UTF8&coliid=I3J45AF87I2QP1&colid=2OR1B2VN7W8FB)
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i wonder why on earth KLS was granted access to the script???
is she to play a small part? is pomegranate press doing a book?
strange too that the original "waitress who resembles barnabas' long lost love" didn't shed any light on that little mystery either. [snow_undecided]
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Perhaps KLS has a consulting type role in the new movie? If there is a role for Roger in the movie I have come up with a suggestion for the actor to play him: Martin Clune. I've been watching Doc Martin and he's fabulous and would be perfect as the arrogrant, fussy individual Louis Edmonds played so well.
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If she really did read it, KLS may have gotten the script from Jim Pierson who is a consultant on the film. They don't live that far away from each other.
i wonder why on earth KLS was granted access to the script???
is she to play a small part? is pomegranate press doing a book?
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From what I've heard, it's not terribly uncommon for people in the business to be privy to a script, provided they read it on site at the studio or in the presence of someone in charge, like the director or a producer. This might be Depp's way of testing the waters on the script, sharing it with someone he admires.
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I agree with The Doctor that Depp possibly wanted to share the script with a DS star and see what they had to say about it. KLS is one of the bigger stars aside from Frid. I am excited that she likes the movie. I really do hope we get some cameo's.
As for Julia not having a huge part in the movie I a personally okay with that. I don't want the movie to be overcrowded was as that was a problem with the 2004 pilot. Plus, it also makes one think that perhaps a franchise is looming in the minds of JD and Tim Burton. I would be shocked if a franchise wasn't in their minds. Johnny still looks fabulous and lighting and soft lenses can do wonders.
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Nice looking new DS movie poster by Stuart Manning. Great job!
http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/03/coming-soon.html
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Beautiful work. [thumb] And is that snow?! [faint2]
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OK - now that I've recovered from that shock, I also have to say that I love the choice for Collinwood. It's very much like the type of mansion I'm hoping they'll use.
(And speaking of possible Collinwoods, I haven't forgotten about the mansion I'd mentioned a few weeks back. Unfortunately I can't find the Web site I'd originally come across. perhaps it's no longer online. But I have found some other photos of the mansion in other sources, so it's just a matter of finding the time to scan them. And I've also come across a couple other interesting examples...)
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Do you think they're still planning on doing DS in 3D? I don't see the point. Plus, I thought I read something recently about a significant fall-off in box office returns on 3D movies.
There has definitely been a significant fall-off in box office returns on 3D films (with Nicolas Cage's Drive Angry being just the latest to tank). However, Burton would still seem to be high on 3D because his Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter will be shot in 3D. So, given that, it's not hard to imagine that Burton is still planning to shoot the Depp/DS film in 3D. I suppose we'll see...
if it doesn't start filming until May, it would be surprising for a production of this size to complete post work in 2011. I'm hoping for release earlier rather than later in 2012, though!!
If post production isn't completed in time for a March/April release, I'm still thinking that it seems possible that the film won't come out until September/October. Again, I suppose we'll see...
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i for 1 am looking forward to a 3d dark shadows. alice was great in 3d. drive angry looked stupid just from the ad so i dont think thats a surprise that it tanked. i think the movie industry made a mistake by adding the 3d extra charge to movie tickets causing people to boycott them.
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I am not a big fan of 3D. Either way I don't care though. As long as it's offered both ways I am good. DS is like a good trip sometimes so maybe it will be cool. ;)
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I loved Drive Angry! But I'm probably one of the few. LOL!
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I saw Alice in Wonderland in 2D with kids on a field trip. Can you say free ticket free popcorn, free drink, and "I GET PAID FOR WATCHING THIS!!!???? Any way, I loved it. I took my daughter later to see the 3D version. I didn't think that the 3D added much to the film. I did enjoy it the second time around very much. It certainly didn't detract from the film and was occasionally very interesting. In the end though, the film pretty much stood on it's own as a conventional film. Compare that to Journey to the Center of the Earth. I went to see that 3 times and loved it. The second two veiwings were because of situations in which friends wanted to see it, and I did not want to be the only nay sayer. Having said that, I'd not have gone if it did not impress me. I watched it the other day on DVD, or rather half of it. It wasn't a bad film, but it did not compel me to sit through to the end, and I doubt I'll ever have the urge to see it again as a flat film. Perhaps if I ever get a 3D set I might revisit it.
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I finally had a chance to check out the Ballyhoo Vintage Clothing Web site and all I can say is that IF the Depp/DS film is set in the '70s, I hope to heaven that Colleen Atwood is designing ALL the men's clothes because, if what displayed on the Web site is the only stock they have, then the '70s men's clothes are hideous!! At least some of the '70s women's clothes are what one would expect to see the DS characters wearing, but the men's are enough to make general audiences run screaming from movie theaters - especially IMAX theaters - and to make many DS fans long for the subdued style of 1970PT Quentin's infamous burnt orange sports jacket! (See, I keep saying that jacket was conservative considering what else was out there in the '70s - now Ballyhoo Vintage Clothing has provided the proof! [wink2])
Thankfully, though, the men's stock on display from the '60s is better. Not perfect. But better. And the women's is much better.
In any case, it will definitely be interesting to see if indeed the film is set in the '60s-'70s or if the production sought out vintage clothes for some other reason (flashback, costume party, who knows?)...
And speaking of costuming/wardrobe, that department seems to be the one that's expanding the most because in the past few weeks I've noticed on IMDb that they've added two more people (for a total of six people so far), including a second costume buyer. And with the news of Ballyhoo Vintage Clothing providing things for the film, one has to wonder if the costume buyers are seeking out contemporary clothes or more vintage clothing.
Also, though it hasn't been reported on IMDb, I've seen where the NYT's movie site is saying that Tony Dawe will be acting as the film's sound mixer. Dawe has worked with Burton before on Alice in Wonderland, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street[/i, Sleepy Hollow and Batman, as well as as the British vampire, werewolf and ghost series, Being Human. He's also been nominated for 4 Oscars and won 2 BAFTA Awards (the British equivalent of an Oscar or Emmy).
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i'm surprised to hear the "1970's" being bandied about in terms of the show's era and costuming.
for me the show much more typifies the 1960's in regard to clothing,hairdo's and makeup styles. it wasn't until the final year...and of course 1970 parallel-time being the most glaring example...that it starts to feel "70's".
but for the most part it's boxy a-line dresses,coats and suits that are representative of formal 1960's styles.
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I associate the original DS more with the '60s, too. I was simply picking up on remarks other fans have made here and elsewhere about the film possibly being set in the '70s because of Ballyhoo Vintage Clothing's tweet. Though one should possibly take into account that Ballyhoo Vintage Clothing also provides vintage clothes from the '30s, '40s and '50s - and their tweet didn't specify any era for the clothing they provided. At this point we really have nothing beyond our own speculation when it comes to why the film sought out vintage clothing. And while jumping to the conclusion that the film will possibly be set in the '70s or '60s could be a very logical assumption based on their tweet and given the era the original DS' present day storylines took place, that doesn't necessarily mean that the clothes provided come from those eras or that the film is set in one of those eras. :-\
As with so many aspects of the film, only time will tell...
(At the rate any significant info comes out about the film, I'm beginning to wonder if we should all have "Only Time Will Tell..." embroidered on pillows and displayed around our houses? [lghy])
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I just can't imagine the DS movie taking place in the 70s. That would presumably cut down on Depp's and the others ability to be funny since the script has been alleged to have some funny scenes. I would be very surprised if the story is not initially set in the present time.
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You know, I think that, if done right, and the movie is set in the '60s, or '70s and HBC has allegedly stated, it would be ten times funnier to see Barnabas blown away by the technology, as said technology would be dated in the first place, thus making it really odd to most younger folks and extremely hillarious to the more mature people who still remember said technology. It'd be like Pepsi Throwback. Good for everyone involved.
Plus, then, we wouldn't have to worry about the technology in the DS film looking dated, since it's supposed to! Just some thoughts.
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If they are going to have Barnabas use the cousin from England cover story, I would imagine that would fly better if the film is set in the earlier era. Not that investigating someone's bogus background wasn't possible before the modern computer age. Burke Devlin was beginning to put together some truths about Barn before his plane crash demise, but the Collins clan seemed to take Barn on his word because he looked so much like "original" Barnabas' portrait and had the cane and the ring. Did someone from 1967 England really go strolling around with a walking stick? [lghy] The characters innocence about many matters was part of the series charm and I would hope that the film could find a way to retain at least some of that.
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If I was one of the producers of the movie I would want to start the story in the present time or start it in the past especially for the targeted new audience. If the movie is set in the 70s that is essentially the endgame for the movie and its sequels unless there is time travel to the present time or its future. If you set the movie in the present time and then have time travel to the 1790s at least most of the new audience can for obvious reasons relate to the present time and the story will flow better imo. I think it will hurt the box office if the story is set in the 70s. The new audience is going to wonder why it is set in the 70s. The movie is a retelling (hate the word remake these days) and not a sequel to the original show which of course I am all for. I could see them setting the movie in the 70s for nostalgia purposes but the producers need to get new blood to the theatres and market it to today's "younger" audience. Is it necessary to have the movie set in the 70s? Despite the aforementioned tweets I will be shocked if the story takes place in the 70s.
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Sorry for the double post. fyi Schultz and Wiremu tweeted 3 hours ago that Colleen Atwood arrives tomorrow and ..."Dark Shadows here we go". They also tweeted yesterday about DS started production and all systems are go, go, go. It also previously tweeted that filming begins in May which had been previously confirmed.
It's website http://www.schultz-wiremufabricfx.co.uk/ says in part it provides clothing for the 18th century period. You can follow there tweets @multidyer
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Did someone from 1967 England really go strolling around with a walking stick? [lghy]
Well the upper crust of British society would not have thought it odd as the were much more formal than America at that time.
http://scifipulse.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/theavengers.jpg (http://scifipulse.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/theavengers.jpg) Think Advengers
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It'll be interesting to see if the film does end up being specifically set in the 60s or 70s... For a long time, I've thought it would be great to do a Dark Shadows revival with a sorta retro look. The early present day episodes of the show could often easily be set in the 1940s or 50s, based on the visuals, so it could just have an old-fashioned style and look. Not a literal 60s or 70s setting, but more a general sense of Collinsport being a bit behind the times and a place the rest of the world has left behind. I think that would be potentially very charming and in the long run date the film far less than something rooted to the here and now.
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I wholly concur with Stuart. I recall the look of the early episodes being very reminiscent of '40s films, with a few notable fashion exceptions. But, Liz, Roger, and Burke could all have easily be transplanted two decades earlier. I don't really think we need the film to be set in the '60s. It would be great. But, if it just had an appropriately aged look to it, we'd be in good hands. Anytime you bring in current technology into a film, you run the risk of it being dated, which is why I don't really even want to see cell phones in this movie. The one electronic device that has aged the best is probably the television set, as there are still plenty of older sets around today. Corded telephones are also pretty standard. But, I really would dread seeing computers or mobile devices being used in the movie to any noticeable extent. A "behind the times" feel for Collinsport - and Collinwood - is a great approach.
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I agree as well with the retro look. Also, if the movie does well enough to ignite a big interest in checking out the original series, the 1960s/1970s look would fit right in with along the lines of what new fans would expect. The sloppy production values will take them by surprise but hopefully they will learn that "live" TV like DS didn't stop for mistakes or mishaps.
nancy
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Regardless of what era the film takes place, it's definitely going to interesting to see how they play up the whole Barnabas dealing with a world that's centuries beyond the world he knew. But with regard to that I keep coming back to something Jim Pierson said when he brought the whole subject up, and that was that in the talks they were having back when he was interviewed in November, they weren't planning on getting "too cutesy with it" and that it was simply going to be "something that humanizes the character." That doesn't seem like it's going to be played for laughs. Well, at least not the sort of laughs that I would expect people to describe as very funny. But who knows? Things could have changed after Pierson's interview...
And I could also see the film having some sort of retro feel/look to it even if it does take place in our time. Though if the characters are sort of in their own world and if they do continue to dress in some sort of vintage fashion, one can only hope that that would simply be used for tone and not for humor as, say, it was in the Brady Bunch films...
And speaking of the film possibly being retro -
Helena has reportedly stated that it will be set in the '70s, though I cannot find a source to verify this information.
Do you remember where/from whom you heard this? Not that I'm doubting that you did, but like you I cannot find a source - not in any of the linked articles Goggle sends me alerts for, not with several search criteria permutations I've tried using to search on my own. Normally comments like that will show up on multiple Web sites because sites are constantly swapping/referring to other sites and other sources of information. It's extremely odd for it to seemingly be untraceable. [hdscrt]
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But with regard to that I keep coming back to something Jim Pierson said when he brought the whole subject up, and that was that in the talks they were having back when he was interviewed in November, they weren't planning on getting "too cutesy with it" and that it was simply going to be "something that humanizes the character." That doesn't seem like it's going to be played for laughs. Well, at least not the sort of laughs that I would expect people to describe as very funny. But who knows? Things could have changed after Pierson's interview...
Perhaps they mean "funny" in the way that most of Alfred Hitchcock's movies are funny. There is really a great deal of humor in most Hitchcock movies (the only real exception I can think of is The Wrong Man, which is quite atypical of Hitchcock in many respects). In fact, the other night I watched Psycho again, and found even more humor in it than I had before.
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MB, I can't find it in any trade publication or blog either, though I have been trying since I initially read the remark. I'm taking the comment with a grain of salt and hoping everyone else does, as I picked it up from the IMDB message board:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/board/nest/174961628
They did not state a source, so if, in fact, the poster heard it, I am assuming it was from a video interview... But I guess we won't know unless we ask the poster.
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Eva Green Will Channel Bette Davis and Janis Joplin For Her Role In Dark Shadows (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Eva-Green-Will-Channel-Bette-Davis-and-Janis-Joplin-For-Her-Role-In-Dark-Shadows-23687.html)
Very interesting to hear that the film is so different from the daytime show that Green feels watching the show wouldn't help her to develop her character. Although, personally I'm glad to hear that she'll be bringing her own take to Angelique rather than basing it in any way on the original. And channeling Bette Davis? What could be better than that? [snow_wink]
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It'll be interesting to see if the film does end up being specifically set in the 60s or 70s... For a long time, I've thought it would be great to do a Dark Shadows revival with a sorta retro look. The early present day episodes of the show could often easily be set in the 1940s or 50s, based on the visuals, so it could just have an old-fashioned style and look. Not a literal 60s or 70s setting, but more a general sense of Collinsport being a bit behind the times and a place the rest of the world has left behind. I think that would be potentially very charming and in the long run date the film far less than something rooted to the here and now.
This! I completely agree. Collinsport should be a bit "removed" from the rest of the world. As Jonathan Frid called it, "a dark Brigadoon."
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Eva Green says Angelique will be a blond and an American in the 70s? DS to be like a play.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/03/16/dark-shadows-eva-green/
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I don't think she means funny in the sense of FUNNY. I think a lot of times people use that word for the situation. I mean Angelique and Barnabas were ridiclously funny in the way they fought and bantered through five years on the show. I think it would be cool if it had a nebulous feel. One doesn't really know what "TIME" it could be set in. I think it is important the Collinsport seems like this place away from the the real world. Collinsport being it's own world.
Bette Davis and Janis Joplin= WOW! I think she will be great. Bette was a shrud business woman and could play bitch to the hilt!
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Now that is really interesting. So, the film will indeed take place in the '70s. Barn and Angelique with have a 'Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf'/very love-hate relationship that's also very funny. Well, that's the sort of funny I can definitely get into. And not only will the film be Burton unlike we've ever seen him, it'll be so focused on the actors that it could almost be a play. Today's news just keeps getting better and better!
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I mean Angelique and Barnabas were ridiclously funny in the way they fought and bantered
Yes - finally the "very funny" comments start to make sense, as we hoped/suspected they eventually would.
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I'm still on the fence about the 70s setting. However, I do see the great possibilities and potential. I think Eva was dying to tell us more but I am glad she said enough-at least for today jk
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Green really impressed me in her work in the preview episode of Camelot that was (and maybe still is) available for streaming on the Starz website. There's a scene in there where Green's character, who is just starting to come into a sense of her own power, has to compound a poison and the force with which she slams the pestle into the mortar... it did make me think she would be fascinating, and very dangerous, in the role of Our Favorite Witch.
If you think of her describing Angelique in Leviathans and the counterpart PT 1970 character, Green's comments could actually be related to episodes of our series--just probably ones she did not see when looking at "clips on the internet" which may have included footage of Ange in the 18th and 19th centuries.
I am actually starting to feel intrigued by this. I still don't know about Depp's casting--but I do feel that Green has what it takes. Now it remains to be seen whether Burton will feel compelled to goof it all up with his usual zany sense of overly crazy aesthetics and whether Elfman will compose his usual dippy phoned-in rubbish for the score. I guess time will tell.
G.
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I'm still on the fence about the 70s setting.
I just pray to God that Ballyhoo Vintage Clothing had more men's stock than the hideousness of what's currently on the Web site. But perhaps that hideousness is simply what they were left with after the Depp/DS film's costume/wardrobe department got finished taking what they wanted. [beg]
I think Eva was dying to tell us more
She was definitely holding back in the MTV interview. Though there's no surprise that Burton wants things kept as secret as possible. That's always his M.O.
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Green really impressed me in her work in the preview episode of Camelot that was (and maybe still is) available for streaming on the Starz website.
I've been impressed with what I've seen of her in Camelot clips.
describing Angelique in Leviathans and the counterpart PT 1970 character
I had the same thought when I heard her describe the film's Ang in the MTV interview. And actually, there could be parallels between the film's Ang and the Leviathans Ang if it's the case that she cursed Barn in the past and has been traveling the world for the centuries since.
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I think it's really exciting and interesting that the movie will be set in the 70s. I think that will help capture the spirit of the series more that way, and I look forward to seeing the characters in 70s clothes and setting.
I don't see why people are so obsessed with wanting everything in modern settings. I prefer stories set in other times, even recent decades.
Kids are familiar with the 70s thru the very popular That 70s Show, my teen and tween nieces and nephews love that show, so I don't see where 70s fashion will hurt the movie. Burton, Depp and vampires will draw big box office.
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so it is the 1970's and not the 1960's. interesting choice visually. should we expect gauchos and dorothy hamill haircuts?
we haven't heard a peep about additional casting since early february. i'm still assuming stalwart characters like roger,carolyn and david will be at least part of an establishing presence if not major characters.
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Speaking of casting, I just discovered an alert for this: Casting DNA: Dark Shadows needs Principals (http://castingdna.com/cgi/pm.cgi?action=app_display&app=castingnotices&app_id=68&)
But it's weird. It says "Production Company: Columbia Pictures," but Warner Brothers is doing the film. And it says "Filming Locations: USA," even though the film is shooting at Pinewood studios and locations in Great Britain. [hdscrt]
It also says shooting will take place "April - July, 2011," but at least that's listed as "Estimated Filming Dates," and even IMDb is still saying the film is expected to start shooting in April even though we've heard it won't start until May.
I did some research on Debra Zane at IMDb, though, and she is legit. And interestingly, one of her most recent projects was casting The Twilight Saga: Breaking Dawn - Parts 1 and 2...
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So, what is it that makes so many blog writers assume that Burton's movie is going to be based on the entire run of DS? I have now seen several writers mention "compressing over 1200 episodes" into one feature film. Sheesh!!!
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Yes - finally the "very funny" comments start to make sense, as we hoped/suspected they eventually would.
Exactly! I never for one minute thought it would be "FUNNY!"
I am so glad that their is a lot of positive energy here because there are some people in fandom who are so negative. I am personally glad that our moderators are supportive of new DS ventures! :) I am so excited because this is going to also bring people to the old show, I am sure of it. If it wasn't for the Revival I know I would not be watching DS.
Also, can I just say I am more and more excited everday that Eva Green is playing Angelique. I think she is going to kill it!
So glad this project is underway. Sometimes I would find myself getting impatient; however, I tried to stay calm and no voice my feelings on here or any other site because I want the movie to get underway when it was ready to be filmed and not rushed in any way.
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Add another member of The Wolfman's technical crew to the Depp/DS film as Andrew Ryan has been added as special effects technician. His work is quite impressive in The Wolfman, so one can certainly hope his contributions to the Depp/DS film will be as or even more so.
In addition to The Wolfman, Ryan has also worked on such diverse films as Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, The Golden Compass and The Bourne Ultimatum.
I'm really becoming more and more impressed with the people who'll be working on the technical end of the film.
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More and more people that are working on the new DS movie are calling it "funny". Maybe they're talking about very dark humor like maybe the original "Dawn Of The Dead", maybe they're talking about a comedy send up like "Young Frankenstein". We won't know until we see it. My question is, how would you feel about a "funny" DS?
Both of the movies that I used as examples are favorites of mine. I'm trying real hard to have an open mind about this. I hope that by the time the movie hits theaters I'll be ok with the idea of a "funny" DS. Truth is right now I'm not.
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Alright already! Gotta watch The Wolfman this weekend!
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(If you do watch it, be sure to watch the director's cut. The theatrical version is good, but the director's cut is much better. But then, adding back 16 minutes of mostly character oriented footage will do that. [snow_wink])
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It says "Production Company: Columbia Pictures," but Warner Brothers is doing the film.
Well one mystery solved - I just noticed on IMDb that Columbia Pictures as well as Relativity Media and Village Roadshow Pictures have been added to the list of production companies for the film (joining DC's estate entity Dan Curtis Productions, Graham King's GK Films, Depp's Infinitum Nihil, Tim Burton Productions, and Warner Bros. Pictures).
How fascinating that three more production companies have been added. Though it would be even more fascinating to know why. But as with nearly everything about the film, who knows when (or even if) we may ever find out? And at the rate things are going, Bob Cobert may need to add more bars to the opening theme so that it will last long enough to play over all the production company logos that will be on display. [lghy]
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I've never thought of Hitchcock as funny in any way. The whole idea of DS as "funny" scares me. I'm trying to have an open mind but it's getting harder as more and more people call it "funny". There are very, very few "funny" movies that I like and I so want to like this movie.
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Excellent points. The Revival brought in new fans to DS fandom and that is always a good thing. The passion for the Revival that those new fans had made me go back and look at the Revival again. I didn't keep up with it originally and what I saw didn't ignite any excitement but now I have a better appreciation for it, again, because of the new fans like yourself who came into fandom.
The DS airings on SyFy brought in new DS fans and the Depp DS movie will do the same. The curious/new fans will have a chance to also discover the Revival series and the original. How can this be a bad thing?
Even if the new DS movie royally sucks and everyone in the universe agrees, the publicity leading up to the movie, the Depp fans who go to every movie he makes, and the movie itself will still lead to people checking out the previous DS video/DVD offerings. The original series will take lots of hits for the sloppy production values and the actors who didn't know their lines will get dismissed as being lousy actors (rather than just not able to learn lines quickly - that has nothing to do with acting ability) but there will still be an emergence of new fans for the original series too. It's all good, IMO. There isn't any downside.
I am so excited because this is going to also bring people to the old show, I am sure of it. If it wasn't for the Revival I know I would not be watching DS.
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hear hear Nancy!
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I've never thought of Hitchcock as funny in any way. The whole idea of DS as "funny" scares me. I'm trying to have an open mind but it's getting harder as more and more people call it "funny". There are very, very few "funny" movies that I like and I so want to like this movie.
I suppose you and I just have different senses of humor. I'm not saying that Hitchcock's movies are outright comedies (although at least one is: Mr. and Mrs. Smith), but just that they contains lots of humor. Some obvious examples are The Lady Vanishes, North by Northwest, and Family Plot (that last one especially so). And oh my goodness, don't forget his TV series! And Hitchcock the man himself had a very, very strong sense of humor. (Although how many of his quotes in the press and in public speeches were from his own mind or his staff writers is open for debate, such as the famous quote in which he actually calls Psycho a "comedy".)
I think if you watch some Hitchcock movies again, you should be able to see what I'm talking about. If this is the kind of "funny" that is meant in discussions of the DS script, then there's probably nothing at all to worry about. I think they mean "funny" more in the sense of containing irony or dry wit, not one-liners or slapstick.
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Another interview with Eva Green:
http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/eva-green-interview-cracks/
You have a big role coming up in Tim Burton's vampire movie, "Dark Shadows," alongside Johnny Depp. Have you met Depp yet?
No. But he's an amazing actor and he will bring something I'm sure completely. I don't know how he's going to play him; I think he'll surprise me. I don't know the chemistry between the two, it's love and hate, the dynamic is very interesting so I'm sure I will be very intimated and kind of in awe of him.
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I agree that there is humor in Hitchcock films but there is a big different between humor and "funny". Dawn Of The Dead is full of humor but I would never call it "funny". If Eva Green or any one person had called it "funny" I wouldn't have worried about it. That's what I did when one of the producers call the script "campy" and "very funny", I forget which one but I'll try and look it up. Now there's been four or five different people working on it that have call it "funny". One has to assume that these people know the difference between humor and "funny", or at least most of them.
Contrast that to the number of times I heard it called a "gothic love story"....so far....zero.
I keep telling myself that as most it'll be a "black comedy" and maybe that won't be to bad. I also try to remind myself that I love "Young Frankenstein" and if we got a comedy that was as good as that, that wouldn't be a bad thing.
I want this to be a great film that we as DS fans can be proud of, one where we can tell the world, "see it is a great story". I just know how most remakes turn out. I know how I feel about the Depp "Planet Of The Apes". Does anyone really think that movie brought new fans to the original film? If it did there weren't many. I didn't like is "Wonka" or his "Alice" either.
That said, I don't care what the time it takes place in, I don't care if it's in 3-D, I don't care what the actors look like, all I want is a good story.
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Thanks for the link, Sara. [snow_smiley]
And checking my e-mail I just found a link to this: Eva Green on Cracks, Nudity, & the New Tim Burton Film Dark Shadows (http://www.blackbookmag.com/article/eva-green-on/25255)
More very interesting remarks and another reference to the fact that she's "not allowed to say too much." Not sure what to make of the Beetlejuice reference (I've never seen the film), but it's definitely great to hear that she believes the script is extremely well written, very focused on the actors, and that the characters are really rich.
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And they say "Up next, she'll star as a witch opposite Johnny Depp in Time Burton's horror comedy, Dark Shadows." I just don't like the sound of that.
In reply "2045" I said Depp's "Planet Of The Apes"...that should have been Burton's...but I think everyone knew that.
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Now there's been four or five different people working on it that have call it "funny". One has to assume that these people know the difference between humor and "funny", or at least most of them.
Contrast that to the number of times I heard it called a "gothic love story"....so far....zero.
True - though Depp has called it "very dark."
I keep telling myself that as most it'll be a "black comedy" and maybe that won't be to bad. I also try to remind myself that I love "Young Frankenstein" and if we got a comedy that was as good as that, that wouldn't be a bad thing.
I'll admit that ten months ago (to the day, actually) when it was first reported that Richard D. Zanuck had described the script as being funny, I was concerned. But since then other remarks have come out as well, particularly Depp's, which make the film sound like anything but a comedy (despite the fact that BlackBook.com describes the film as a "horror comedy" - but then, Web sites have described Vicki alternately as a governess or a waitress, so it would seem that not every one of these writers actually knows what they're talking about), so it's far from a case that everyone is only saying it's funny. But that being said, I definitely believe there will be funny elements to it, and the thing that I find most reassuring in the respect is Eva Green's remark that Barn and Ang have a Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf love-hate relationship. As anyone who has seen that play/movie knows, there is some hilariously funny, dryly witty and sometimes acerbic elements to it, though one wouldn't call it a full-on comedy. And there are also some hilariously funny, dryly witty and sometimes acerbic elements to the original DS series. I mean, think of some of the scenes between Liz and Roger, Nicholas and Cassandra and Magda and Barnabas, just to name a few. And one of Angelique's best lines in Leviathans is when she taunts Sky with the line, "From Tycoon to lackey - how the mighty have fallen!" That's the sort of funny line that would be in the Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf tradition. And that's more along the lines of the type of "funny" that I'm expecting given most of what we've heard so far.
all I want is a good story.
Well, if we can believe the several remarks that have come out to that effect, then it should be.
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Good points all, but as for it being a good story, I'd never expect someone that's in a movie or working on a movie to say anything other than that. When someone that won't profit from the box office says it's a good script I'll have more reason to believe it.
I don't know of anyone ever saying my next movie has a script that blows.
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When someone that won't profit from the box office says it's a good script I'll have more reason to believe it.
I don't know of anyone ever saying my next movie has a script that blows.
True. Though KLS won't profit from the box office - and if one believes that she has read the script as she claims, then one would probably accept her opinion that it's "marvelous." One also has to wonder if she would describe DS being turned into a horror comedy that way? But I suppose only she can be the one to answer that...
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I have thought of that, one could also ask if Frid would have anything to do with a DS horror comedy?
I hope that everyone who has called it a "horror comedy" or "funny" is wrong. But the more people that call it that the harder it is for me to not believe it.
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Well, BlackBook.com is the only Web site that's said the film is a horror comedy. And it's worth noting that Eva Green wasn't the one that said that, it was the writer of the article. And it would be great if writers didn't embellish upon or interpret quotes on their own, but sadly, far too many do read things into quotes that weren't necessarily meant to be there. The writer could have simply assumed that the film will be a horror comedy based on Green's remark that it's funny. And as for that remark, as I mentioned before, there could be other ways of interpreting it other than the film being a full-on comedy. (Though if it is indeed a horror comedy, I suspect KLS is going to have a lot of explaining to do when she's confronted with a mob of angry fans who wonder how the hell she could think turning DS into a comedy was a marvelous idea. :-\)
There is also one other possible explanation, though I don't know how much stock I put in it. I've read on a few other DS message boards where fans are speculating that several of the people connected to the film are deliberately passing along misinformation, possibly even at Tim Burton's request, so as to keep the real details of the script a secret. And that does sound a bit far fetched. However, it's not a practice that's completely unheard of because other TV/film producers have actually used that ploy. And given his penchant for intense secrecy, it's not something I would completely put past Burton. But as to whether or not he has actually been doing it, well, I'd probably come down more on the no than the yes side - but I suppose only time will tell...
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You're right, only time will tell.
Putting misinformation would get fans talking faster than anything and fans would be very forgiving as long as the trailers look good. If they look good we will all be in line on opening day.
I am not a fan of Grahame-Smith nor do I think I ever will be, that in itself will cause me to be more open to the idea that his script may not be what I would like. I hope this one is good and the next one will have a different writer.
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My hope is that the DS movie is a dark gothic love story. My problem is I listen to what those working on it say about it.
When the rest of you read that it's going to be "campy" or "funny" do you even for a minute believe who ever says it? Do you think right away "they don't really mean that" or "they don't funny that way"? I'm not asking to be funny. These statements really make me fear for the movie and I don't want to. I want to be excited about it nor dread it's release but it gets hard with each new bit of info. I thought about not reading any new info but I don't think I can do that.
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With the move set in the 70s, are we sure this is a remake, and not a direct sequel to the original series just with a new cast? It seems unlikely, but given the time period it's set in now, it's not out of the question.
For what it's worth, I've read both of Seth Grahame-Smith's books. Pride and Prejudice and Zombies was fun in an absurb comedy way, but I loved Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter. It was dark, but deep, and full of love for the title character and lots of history. I gained a greater intrest in the historic Lincoln, the story was chock full of history, and left me thinking this guy could probably do justice to Dark Shadows.
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I agree QUENTIN COLLINS. Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter was dark, deep and full of love for his title character. YOU hit it right on the head.
And to Nancy, thanks for the comment about my original post about the Revival!
I remain optimistic! :)
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When the rest of you read that it's going to be "campy" or "funny" do you even for a minute believe who ever says it? Do you think right away "they don't really mean that" or "they don't funny that way"? I'm not asking to be funny. These statements really make me fear for the movie and I don't want to.
If you go back to page 89 of this topic to when Zanuck's description of the script as "very funny" first came up, you'll see that that's exactly how many of us reacted. And with every further description of it being funny, we've continued to try to explain away the remarks and/or relate them in some way to how the original series had funny moments. No one wants to believe the Depp/DS film will actually be a comedy. But maybe we're all just in denial. After all, practically since the first hint that Burton would direct there have been fears of what he would do to DS. Though as with the funny descriptions, we've tried to find aspects of Burton's work that aren't as quirky as his reputation leads one to expect of him, and we've held onto them steadfastly. Let's just hope that those original fears about Burton aren't about to be realized and there really are ways to reconcile the "very funny" remarks and still have the film be a Gothic love story as well...
Though at the same time I am reminded of this video parody of Burton:This is PROBABLY a stereotype [snow_wink], but this is the kind of thing about a Burton DS that I fret about--- and IMO, rather funny (rated PG for slightly profane):
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1929453
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QuentinCollins, I too have thought about the possibility of it being a sequel, though I think what is probably more likely is that this movie will set up the actual sequel, by replaying several main themes - Barnabas and Josette, Liz and Paul, etc. Then, the actual sequel material would follow in the... .well... sequels. But considering the fact that Angelique is very hip, very cool, and very '70s, I can't help but think that we actually might get to see a Leviathan-era Angelique who has that unique relationship with Barnabas that she had. And, other than what she did with Maggie and Quentin, I really loved the mod Angelique. However, I find it hard to imagine if Barnabas was just let out of his coffin and hadn't seen her in 200 years - unless she didn't curse him and never truly loved him - that there would be ANY love between them. Because I can't imagine a loving relationship if Angelique is trying to mess up Barnabas's plans with a new Josette right after he was let out of his coffin.
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i'm very surprised to read the description of the movie angelique as being "very powerful in town".
this suggests that the character is already well established in collinsport when the story begins rather than being introduced in a flashback or being conjured up as in previous versions of the story.
considering this hasn't even begun filming isn't talk of sequels a bit premature?
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MB, I'm glad to know that more people share my fears for the new movie. I'm thankful that you took the time to post that.
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I really and truely don't care if "Abraham Lincoln, Vampire Hunter" is the best book of the last 150 years. I will never, ever agree with someone turning one of America's greatest real life heros into a fictional superhero. It's wrong, it doesn't matter how good the book is.
I feel just as strongly about the idea that someone would take a classic work of literature and a few pages and then be arrogant enough to claim co-authorship. I don't see how one can claim to co-author a book without input from the other authors involed.
For those reasons I will never be a fan of anyone that does that.
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I dunno, all signs point to "laffs" so far. But it's important to remember that when Burton tries (Edward Scissorhands, Ed Wood), he can mix funny with poignant rather well. And Tim Burton's such an aesthete that the 70s setting makes as much sense as the constant comments that it will be funny.
Everything I've heard says brace yourselves for an over the top love letter to the TV show- Depp and Burton playing dress up and goofing around in a nostalgic sandbox.
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I honestly will never understand why you feel it's wrong to turn Abraham Lincoln into a SUPERHERO; however, I will always respect your opinion B.
As for Dark Shadows, I am continuing to keep an open mind. It's not going to please everyone, hell it may not please anyone but I am glad that someone it's trying to keep it's spirit alive and that someone is one of the biggest stars in our star galaxy today. His new movie Rango is wonderful and getting rave reviews. I have never been disappointed with anything Johnny has done thus far and I don't think that as long as my mind stays open I will be disappointed with DS.
And again, this is going to bring all kinds of exposure to fests, fandom, and the old DS and that is never a bad thing in my humble opinion!
So here is to DS, whether it's a cult classic or a box office smash hit!
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When I watch 1897, we spend a great deal of time laughing. Quentin is written, appropriately, like and Oscar Wilde character complete with little epigrams that crack me up. Buffy is the same way, especially in the early seasons. If that's what's meant by DS being "funny" I don't have a problem with it.
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At the risk of sounding like a "broken record" or scratched CD for the post vinyl LP crowd, I'll gladly live with anything Burton and Depp give us if it results in a restored NODS. I've been waiting for that for over a decade. I just hope it gets done. After that, anything else is icing on the cake.
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When I watch 1897, we spend a great deal of time laughing. Quentin is written, appropriately, like and Oscar Wilde character complete with little epigrams that crack me up. Buffy is the same way, especially in the early seasons. If that's what's meant by DS being "funny" I don't have a problem with it.
And I think that's exactly the sort of funny most of us are hoping for. The dialogue during the 1897 period was some of the best of the series. So, if the film's dialogue is anything like that, I for one will be very happy.
And there's also something else to keep in mind: even IF the film does turn out to be a horror comedy, it will be a "dark," "scary," and "bloody" comedy because Depp, Zanuck, and Green have respectively described the script as being those things as well, and we shouldn't lose sight of that.
I just wish I was more familiar with Beetlejuice because I have no idea what to take from Green's description of the script as a mixture of Sweeney Todd and Beetlejuice...
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I love Beetlejuice, it's one of my all time favorite Tim Burton movies. It's a great movie but not what I want anything DS to be like.
Sweeney Todd I didn't like at all. I bought it because I wanted to like it. I had to watch it twice to see it all because it put me to sleep the first time. I hope DS is nothing like it.
Given the choice I'd go for a Beetlejuice lookalike, even a beetlejuice wannabe than to even have it compaired to Sweeney Todd. Maybe I'll watch it a few more times to try and get a taste for it, if that can happen.
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I love Bettlejuice. I would call it a dark comedy. I hope DS doesn't err towards being as comedic as Bettlejuice. MB, if you have Netflix or any DVD rental place I suggest renting Bettlejuice. It's one of my favorite 80's movies and it's definately worth checking out.
As for 1897, there are some great lines in that sequence. Quentin gets many although Edward can get some great ones. One that comes to mind is "Seeing Edward is reason enough to want to die!" LOL
As for Sweeney Todd, while it isn't my favorite DEPP/BURTON movie, I do like the tone of the movie and I would rather the movie have that kind of tone. We shall see.....
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Actually, given Green's remark, I'm almost afraid to check out Beetlejuice. But one thing I do keep reminding myself is that, while it isn't a comedy, Sleepy Hollow definitely has some very funny moments to it. Moments that come from out of character and don't make fun of the characters. So long as nothing about the Depp/DS film's script makes fun of the characters or DS itself (like Burton's remark about the flies did during last year's interview on Friday Night with Jonathan Ross) and the laughs come from, say, the predicaments characters may find themselves in (like Barn dealing with "modern" conveniences) or the remarks they might make or the barbs they might throw at each other, I can accept the funny. And I find it hard to imagine that KLS would describe a script as "marvelous" if it actually does make fun of DS and/or the characters...
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I do love the optimism on this board and it may be all in vein when it's all said and done but I am just an optimist at heart.
Actually, if DS has the tone of Sweeny Todd and Sleepy Hollow then I can see them catching the perfect tone.
We all know KLS usually speaks her peace as she went on a radio show when the 2004 pilot came out and didn't speak to highly of the effort. Also, you make a nice point MB; I personally feel that KLS is very protective of DS so I don't see her liking something that makes fun of Dark Shadows and it's legacy! Again, just my humble thoughts.
Great Post MB!
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There are really three reasons why I feel comfortable with the script at this point: Johnny Depp, Kathryn Leigh Scott, and Jonathan Frid. If it weren't for these three, I would probably be more fearful of the effort. However, if they have put their stamp of approval on it, I take it that this is a good continuation of the story and NOT a mockery of it.
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TC - I think I could see DS having the tone of Sweeney Todd. I didn't care for the music or the way the story played out.
As for the two movies, Beetlejuice is much better but I would just call it a comedy, one of the best but still a comedy.
I agree with MB, of the movie that Depp & Burton have done I hope DS comes closest to Sleepy Hollow.
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I just wanted to add, the tone of Sweeney Todd does NOT mean the look of Sweeney Todd, I hote these blue movies, lets get back to natural color.
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I hope the movie has a really rich lush look. I think that it would be great to add color here and there. I don't think they should go over board but I would like some appropriate color but at the same time there also needs to be a nice contrast of darkness! :) And I agree Borgosi, I guess if I would want DS to copy any movie that Burton made it would be Sleepy Hollow for me as well, perhaps with a dash of Alice and Sweeney Todd. And PS...I wasn't crazy about the music in ST either. [snow_wink]
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I would love for it to have the tone, look, and feel of "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein". The film directed by Branagh and starring De Niro as the creature. That was a great movie.
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It seems pretty clear that the hopes and expectations of DS fans on here are all over the map. Unfortunately, as the adage goes, you can't please everybody. There will be some who don't like the fact that they didn't explore Barnabas' relationship with his sister. There will be some who are unhappy if they don't flush out Julia's romantic interest in Barnabas. There are already some who don't like the fact that the series is being set in the '70's (although I do believe there are some logistical reasons for this, vide infra). To me, this movie will represent Burton's interpretation of Dark Shadows, and I believe I'm capable of enjoying that without requiring his interpretation to fit perfectly with mine. I remember as a kid rooting for Angelique and Barnabas to end up together (that is, before I developed a crush on Kate Jackson's Daphne), and it really wasn't until years later that I discovered others felt that way about Julia and Barnabas. I personally will be fascinated to see where Burton takes it, and I welcome something of a fresh take on things.
As to the '70's, I know somebody pointed this out before me, but I think it's the only way they can plausibly use the "cousin from England" aspect. In 2011, it would take no time on the internet to debunk Barnabas' story, and there would be no way to keep the prospects of a vampire local in the days of YouTube and cell phones with cameras and video capabilities. And it still leaves open the prospects of a time travel forward element that will age better than when Barnabas and Julia traveled forward in time.
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As to the '70's, I know somebody pointed this out before me, but I think it's the only way they can plausibly use the "cousin from England" aspect. In 2011, it would take no time on the internet to debunk Barnabas' story
I suspect that may be one of the major reasons to set the film in the '70s - though it will be very interesting to see where in the '70s the film will place itself. As of yet we have no firm idea, and the early '70s are very different from the late '70s. Can you just imagine Barnabas picking up women/potential victims at a disco? That prospect alone could be quite funny given that Barn is used to a refined/staid minuet and such, not sexually charged disco dancing. :D
and there would be no way to keep the prospects of a vampire local in the days of YouTube and cell phones with cameras and video capabilities.
Though it might have been a hoot to see Julia using her cellphone to find that Barnabas' photo can't be taken instead of using her compact to see that he doesn't cast a reflection. [b003]
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Great post Ussfan!
You know when Eva Green said she's blonde, and very cool in the 70's. I took it that she was talking about LP and not her version. I know the show is set in the 70's but still that is the way I took it because she later said her character is very different. I may have taken in wrong. I think it's great that it's set in the 70's! However, I think if it was set today clever writers could come up with a way for Barnabas to falsify his existence, especially with Willie's help. Who says he has to come out of the coffin and then go straight to Collinwood. He could lurk for months even.
Your right USSFAN. However, hopefully it will be franchised and then more and more can be integrated into the movies but no one will ever be completely satisfied! I just hope its' a great movie that does well at the box office and wins a few Oscar's and turns into a franchise. Is that so much to ask?
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You know when Eva Green said she's blonde, and very cool in the 70's. I took it that she was talking about LP and not her version.
With the way MTV has it written out in its piece, combining quotes, I can see how someone could interpret it that way. Though in the video, I do think she's talking about her own character in the film.
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Thanks MB! We shall see. Which leads me to another question. If I should make a seperate topic let me know.
Are you guys purists? Do you think Victoria has to have raven hair and that Angelique has to be a blonde, etc. I personally don't care as long as the actresses and actors are compitent. I am by all means sure HBC isn't going to become a red head for the movie. Of course you never know. She is wild enough to pull something like that. I would mind if Bella's (Giggle--everytime I think of a girl name Bella playing Victoria it makes me giggle with irony) hair was just a bit darker, but I don't think she would look great with raven dark hair. As for Eva, I love her as a Brunette and with her lush pale skin I really can't see her going blonde. Perhaps, I will change my tune when if I see them and it works. Of course as I know as an artist makeup change one's look. If Eva did become blonde they could change her skin color and makeup colors to compesate for her pale skin.
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Good grief - some of the greatest horror stories in literature have humor. Ever read Edgar Allen Poe? The great "Tell Tale Heart" has the line that goes something like "I was never kinder to the old man up until the night I killed him." Sure, it's considered dark humor and that's what I expect from Burton and Depp in this DS offering. Humor doesn't mean "making fun of" necessarily. As it was pointed out, 1897 had a lot of humor in it.
Nancy
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The only reason I brought up the possibility of DS being made fun of in the film is because of remarks Burton himself has made. For one, it's hard to ignore the fact that he chiefly used bloopers to describe DS to an English TV audience that knew little about the show. I think that we would all agree that DS is much more than bloopers - but sadly, Burton didn't choose to give equal time to the other elements of the show that make DS great to us. He even went so far as to say, "Were gonna fill the room with flies... and make the actors pretend that theyre not there! I suspect he was only joking. But he has made other similarly absurd comments. And the only thing one can hope is that they were all simply the result of his bizarre sense of humor and not telegraphing things he actually has seriously considered doing in the film.
As for Eva Green, when asked at the end of her MTV interview if she'll be going blond for the film, she said that she will.
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The irony is that most fans, from what I can see anyway, would rather have bloopers than anything else and without them part of the meaning of the show is lost to them. So I don't really see what the upset is over if Depp/Burton should favor the same things/Bloopers. Aren't the bloopers and the show's supposed campiness what most fans talk about when describing DS for other people?
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I personally think that it's Burton's bizarre sense of humor. I just can't see Johnny playing Barnabas dark and in the manner in which Frid played him and then fly bloopers. It may happen but I hope not.
Nancy, I have never personally talked about bloopers when trying to get someone to watch DS. So I am not for sure how it is with others.
Thanks about the info for Eva going blonde. I did not notice that. Was that the most recent interview with MTV?
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Aren't the bloopers and the show's supposed campiness what most fans talk about when describing DS for other people?
Not on this forum. [snow_smiley] We might laugh at some of them on occasion (how could you not laugh at some of them?), but they're the least of it when it comes to what we appreciate and celebrate about DS and what we're likely to cite whenever we recommend it to others. And would you want to see a DS film where they fill a room with flies and then completely ignore that they're there? It's certainly not the sort of funny I would like to see...
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I personally think that it's Burton's bizarre sense of humor.
I certainly hope so.
Thanks about the info for Eva going blonde. I did not notice that. Was that the most recent interview with MTV?
Yes, the link that's in reply #2022 on page 135. But her comment doesn't appear in the written portion - it's only in the video.
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Thanks so much MB. If it would have been a snake it would have bit me. However, I am so excited by watching that. And it seems that Angelique isn't going to be french. I am with the general consesuse that she is going to be closer to the Angelique during the Leviathan period. Perhaps, she is already established in Collinsport and has lived for years never dying? The possibilities are endless. I for one am getting more and more excited that it seems this DS is going to shy away from things previously done. YAY!!!!!!!! [blob6]
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I've read comments that it's hoped that the new DS movie will spawn a franchise of sequels. DS has a rich history ripe for sequels, prequels and sideways trips.
I hope that all this talk of funny will be in the vein of Oscar Wilde-type witty dialogue. Humor can still be intelligent and thought provoking, we're just not used to seeing that in modern movies.
DS never intentionally went for the bloopers, the ones that happened were normal part of live daytime television. I really don't expect this mutli-million dollar film to have obvious bloopers all over the place.
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Several of us were upset when MPI was originally editing out the bloopers from the DS DVDs. The reason for this is that the bloopers *are* a part of the series history. I at least prefer to have my DS as it was meant to be seen at the time of the original broadcast.
Now we have Star Trek and Dr Who classic episodes being re-upholstered with glitzy new CGI FX. I wonder how long it will be before the cute Bil Baird bat puppets get replaced by CGI bats in the next upgrade/release of DS on whatever format proves to catch a major consumer wave in, say, 2020.
To deliberately introduce bloopers into a glossy, big budget feature film as some kind of weird tribute to the original series--that would take a really perverted kind of brain to see the point in such an exercise.
G.
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Didn't MPI contract out the cleaning up of the masters for DVD to another company and it was they who started removing the bloopers? Once MPI caught on I think they told them to stop. But watching the DVDs there are certain bloopers I remember that are cut out. Thank God for the blooper reel. (Seriously, they could make a whole other DVD with ones they left out.)
I remember marveling at one particularly bad week they had in the 1840 storyline. Boommikes and stagehands galore!
(http://www.hollowmoon.net/pics/darkshadows/mikesandhands.jpg)
When I personally recommend DS to people it is for the characters, the supernatural elements and the super addictive storylines. I never have, nor ever will, love a show like I do DS!
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I don't want to get off point but I like the new CGI in the original TREK. Reason being is it's CGI that looks like it could have been made in that time period. It isn't so perfect and lush that it doesn't fit in. They just tweak it. It isn't over the top and doesn't lend itself to this era it lends itself to that era. It didn't look foreign and blended seamlessly with the original film. That is how I feel about it. I was against it until I saw it.
I seriously doubt DS will ever have new FX put in. It's video tape and not film so the two wouldn't work together. I just can't see that happening. Plus we have also already determined it can't be put on Blu Ray and look any better. I think the current sets we have will probably be produced again if there is demand.
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I can honestly say that I've never noticed those boom mikes or that stagehand. Some people may ask, "Are you BLIND?!" [snow_cheesy] But I don't really pay attention to the periphery of the scenes because my attention is always squarely on the characters. (Though there's also the fact that today's TVs/monitors show more of the frames than we ever used to see on cathode ray tube TVs/monitors. So maybe if I rewatched the eps, I would notice. [snow_wink])
But getting back on topic - sort of:I did notice a potential conflict. Eva Green is shooting Arbitrage in the U.S. in mid April according to myentertainmentworld website.
According to the following article, Green has dropped out of Arbitrage because of her commitment to the Depp/DS film: Brit Marling Joins "Arbitrage," "Breaking" (http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/19927)
"Marling will likely takeover the role of an art dealer and mistress to the magnate which was vacated by actress Eva Green due to her "Dark Shadows" commitments."
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Well not only will the film have an animatic artist, I see where IMDb is now listing Roy Halfpenny as the film's prop model maker. Though neither position comes as a surprise with a film of this type...
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I guess I'm a bit of a purest, no make that I'm alot purest, I think a work of art, be it film, video, music, book, or painting should be left as the creator left it when he/she was finished with it.
One could add color to the Universal classics, or clean up the edges in Harryhausen's movies, or add sound to silent fims, or any number of other things to make the movies pop to draw in new fans, or update them.
No matter the movie, book, song, painting or whatever....I say leave it alone.
That doesn't mean that I'm against a remake of a movie or a band covering a classic song. But leave the original alone.
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Eva Green made the right decision. Thanks for the follow up MB.
Well we just lost another source of information. Schultz and Wiremu (Multidyer on Twitter) posted this comment today: "Well we have had to sign a confidentiality agreement so no Dark Shadow leaks or tweets on the subject! Sorry to disapoint all those fansAb".
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Schultz and Wiremu (Multidyer on Twitter) posted this comment today: "Well we have had to sign a confidentiality agreement..."
Well, no surprise there. As I've said before, I figure the main reason we're not getting more info about the film than we are is because people have been legally bound not to say anything. I suppose we've been lucky to get what little we have gotten - even if some of it has been seemingly conflicting and a whole lot of it has had us wracking our brains trying to make sense of it. But like I've also said, Burton wouldn't want it any other way...
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I for one am glad the information is not coming out. I maintain that spoilers have ruined the suspense of movies and especially television. This is my true feeling so don't agree. However, you can go look at a spoiler and say eh that don't sound good. Before the net, if you loved a show you were there in front of the TV watching it weekly and not knowing what to expect! I personally gave up spoilers about four years ago and enjoy my TV show much better now. I am hoping I can stay away from most stuff besides a synopsis or something. It's going to be very hard though....
As for Eva, she is my favorite so far. I just like her in interviews. She seems like a groovy gal...
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Don't get me wrong - I don't like spoilers either (though I suppose the fact that the forum has a spoiler feature has clued most people into the fact that neither Midnite or I like to see anything about any of the already existing versions of DS ruined for new fans that come along [snow_wink]) and I wouldn't want to know major plot points. As I've posted before, save for the very end of hoDS, everything was known about that film long before it was released. Photos of crucial scenes were published and plot points were revealed readily. For example, the very first published article about hoDS featured a photo of vampire Carolyn bearing her fangs! And all that was over 40 years ago, so one can't even just blame the Internet.
That being said, though, I would love to at least know the basics about the Depp/DS film. Things like Gothic love story or no? Waitress or governess? Which characters (other than the ones we've already heard about) will be featured? Those sorts of things. But on the other hand there are many things I don't want to know. Like who betrays who. Who gets killed. Who becomes a vampire (if anyone does). None of that sort of thing. And in that respect I'm very happy to have my suspicion that people are having to sign confidentiality agreements confirmed. I much prefer that all juicy plot points remain a secret until we each get the chance to see the film for ourselves.
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The trailers for HODS were absolutely ridiculous with the amount of stuff they revealed. I didn't see the trailers til after seeing the film, but still... I would have been severely disappointed had I seen the trailers before watching the movie. NBC did it right with the primetime series...
[spoiler]They showed several main characters with fangs in a promo. It was a dream in the episode, so it really threw us for a loop.[/spoiler]
I hope the trailers for Shadows are long enough to give us as much information as we need without spoiling anything. There's a right way to do a trailer. I hope they get it right with this one.
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I'd like to know what kind of movie it is and who is playing whom, that's all. Most times I can get the type of movie from the poster but the sooner I know what kind of movie this will be the better.
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borgosi, does that mean that if you don't think you'll like the movie, you won't go to see it? I don't think I'll like it, because I'm not a horror fan, but I'll go anyway. At the very least, I'll be able to tell my friends, It was nothing like the Dark Shadows I know and love, and at the very most, to my huge surprise I'll love it. And for that reason, I'm not paying too much attention to the talk about it, because none of the talk will change the fact that I'm going to see it.
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I'm not paying much attention to talk about a movie that hasnt even been made yet, let alone decide whether or not I will see it. I'm very curious about it so I'll be there in the flesh and freckles when the thing finally makes the screens.
I'm not so opinionated as to what I will like and won't like anymore. I was that way about a few films, went with friends after being talked into going, and wound up being pleasantly surprised. I was prepared to not like "Avatar" and I wound up seeing it twice I was that gobsmacked by it.
Nancy
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I will be there no matter if I think it looks good or not. For me, it's about supporting DS. As I have said before though I honestly don't see myself not liking it because there hasn't been a version of DS, as of yet, that I haven't liked. I agree MB, I don't mind knowing certain plots but the major ones are a NO NO!
About spoilers, I wasn't thinking of the HODS trailer and of course I wasn't born yet to see the Hoopla that surrounded it. I do think that the Internet has in some ways caused viewers to dwindle. I may be wrong.
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About spoilers, I wasn't thinking of the HODS trailer and of course I wasn't born yet to see the Hoopla that surrounded it.
One particular hoDS trailer gives much too much away - even more than the various magazines did - and that's saying something! But the blame for all that falls squarely on MGM because if they hadn't provided the stills and a nearly complete synopsis of the script, the magazines wouldn't have been able to spoil things to the extent that they did. One can only hope that Warner Bros. will be far more discreet in what they choose to share and to hold back with the Depp/DS film. Though if Burton has anything to say about it, I believe they will. I mean, what would be the point of confidentiality agreements if the studio is going to ruin everything?
I do think that the Internet has in some ways caused viewers to dwindle. I may be wrong.
Do you mean that what we've learned so far about the film has caused some people to choose not to see it?
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No MB. I am talking more about television. I honestly don't know if movies are as spoiled as much as some television shows because I haven't read them for movies before, besides a synopsis.
I remember when Charmed was on I used to read scripts before the eps even aired until I went to Spoilers Anonymous and got help, before the start of Season 6. [snow_wink] [snow_cheesy] Some of the scripts ended up a bit different but nothing major. By the 7TH year they did withold what they thought may be the series finale's final minutes and then finally in the 8Th season (after they were picked up for a final year) they did keep the last two episodes under wraps. If I ran a show I would want to do like Lost did and keep practically all I could from getting out to the public.
About HODS, I am sure I know which trailer you are talking about. They even included in the infamous hanging in the original trailer. If it had stayed in the script and I was cutting a trailer, I would definitely have kept the hanging scene out, Carolyn obviously getting staked and a vampire Stokes. "Come see how the vampires do it" still gets me. Seems pretty risque for the 70's!
Did I mention I am loving Eva Green? :) And by the way, has Michelle OFFICALLY been confirmed?
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Lydia - Big box office tells Hollywood that we liked the movie and that we want more like it. If I don't like it or don't think I will like it, the only way for me to tell Hollywood that is not to go.
I don't believe supporting a bad movie is supporting Dark Shadows.
I'm not saying the movie is bad, only that, as with any movie, I'll watch the trailers, read reviews, and then and only then I will decide if I want to see it based on if it looks like it will be good or not. I've never gone to see movies that I didn't think I would like.
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Using that same logic, supporting a movie based on a TV series would also tell Hollywood there is an interest in seeing more product that is based on that particular TV series. If you don't how the movie was made, that's something that can be expressed in direct communication with the production company/studios involved.
Lydia - Big box office tells Hollywood that we liked the movie and that we want more like it. If I don't like it or don't think I will like it, the only way for me to tell Hollywood that is not to go.
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As a rule, I usually to to movies based on who is in it and subject matter. Went to see Julie and Julia based on my liking Meryl Streep and Julia Child. I'm not sure I would have seen it if Streep wasn't in it. I'll go to see Dark Shadows based on Depp and Frid being in it and it is Dark Shadows. I'm prepared to take my chances.
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And I've discovered over the years that reviews don't necessarily mean anything. I've loved movies that have been panned - and I've disliked movies that have been praised. And when it comes to box office, reviews would certainly seem to mean really little to many people. If they did, someone like, say, Adam Sandler wouldn't even have a career because his movies are routinely panned by the vast majority of critics, yet they make gobs of money.
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Eva Green made the right decision.
What seems a bit odd, though, is that there have been several reports lately that she has read for a role in the Total Recall remake, and it also begins shooting in May. Why cite her commitment to DS as the reason for dropping out of a film that begins shooting in April only to read for another role in a film that begins shooting in May, concurrently with DS?
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The overall production schedule may have been behind her decision. Sometimes a shooting schedule enables an actor to work on two films simultaneously and sometimes the schedule doesn't mesh.
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True. Though at first glance the logistics would seem almost as bad because the film she dropped out of, Arbitrage is shooting in the US and Total recall is shooting in Canada, where the Depp/DS film is shooting in Great Britain. Though we don't know how big a role Angelique plays in the plot, so it could even be possible that she could shoot all her scenes for DS and then shoot Total Recall. or vice versa.
Green has read for the role of Melina - and even though I've seen Total Recall, I don't actually remember how big a part that is. Though from the descriptions it seems like it could be small. So it may actually be easy for Green to fit it in while also doing DS. Well, that is IF she even gets it...
Changing reels slightly, who knows what's up with the IMDb and Helena Bonham Carter? First she was listed for Julia, then she was listed as rumored for Julia, then she was again listed for Julia - but now her name has completely disappeared from the cast. [hdscrt]
Also, we can now officially add another 3D bomb to the list: Mars Needs Moms...
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I see on IMDb that Samantha Fazackerley has been added to film's Visual Effects department as the vfx assistant coordinator. And while that in and of itself may not be all that interesting (well, except to her friends and family ;)), what *may* be interesting is that her position on her previous (and only other) film (on which she worked Visual Effects) was as "vfx 3D assistant coordinator" - but you'll note that "3D" is missing from her position on the Depp/DS film. Perhaps that's significant. Or it could mean absolutely nothing.
Also speaking of IMDb, remember when I thought we'd solved the mystery of why that casting noticed I'd posted a link to said Columbia Pictures because I'd discovered three production companies had been added to the list of production companies for the film on IMDb? Well, consider it a mystery again, or at least potentially a goof up on someone's part because all three (Columbia Pictures, Relativity Media, and Village Roadshow Pictures) have been removed.
You gotta love the IMDb. The listing for the film seems to be removing more than it's adding lately. ::)
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I think I need to say that my decision on if I'm going to a movie is based on all of those things together plus some.
It's rare that I go to any movie on opening night. I don't like seeing any movie, except maybe Rocky Horror Picture Show, with a large crowd. If I go I want to see and hear the movie, I don't want to hear kids or cell phones or what you're doing after the movie. No matter what anyone else says about it, if I like what lifelong fans say about it I'll go. If it looks like Scary Movie meets DS, no one will get me to go. The last movie I went to just based on who was in it starred Boris Karloff, when he makes another movie I'll do it again. I won't go see a movie just because I like the book, TV series, or any other source. I rarely go to movies any more. Not because I don't like movies but because ushers don't do their jobs anymore.
That said I can't think of a team that I believe could make a better DS movie than Burton and Depp but lately I really haven't like any of their movies. I hope they knock this one out of the park but I'll only go see it if I believe they did.
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Hmmm - not sure if this is legit because one needs a password to read their articles, but tracking-board.com is listing an article entitled "MICHAEL SHEEN Sets His Sights on the DARK SHADOWS of Johnny Depp, Eva Green and Helena Bonham Carter!"
If true, having Sheen join the cast would be great!
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It's rare that I go to any movie on opening night. I don't like seeing any movie, except maybe Rocky Horror Picture Show, with a large crowd. If I go I want to see and hear the movie, I don't want to hear kids or cell phones or what you're doing after the movie... I rarely go to movies any more. Not because I don't like movies but because ushers don't do their jobs anymore.
I love movies and I go every week. Some of them are bad, but oh well, I just pick what I think looks good to me. I go to matinees and rarely have a problem with kids, cell phones, etc. Just a thought. [snow_smiley]
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I love movies and watch 4 or 5 a day when I'm off work and normally two on days I do work, I just don't watch them at a theater. That's the whole reason I have cable, netflix and DVDs.
If I'm impressed enough with a movie I'll go to a theater but I usually wait until it's been out for a couple of weeks and then go to an early show. I'm hoping to be impressed enough with DS to go opening night, that's very rare
I look forward to the day that I can download a movie on opening night and watch it in my living room.
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I love watching movies too in the theater or at home. I watch about three movies a week at home via Netflix or Blockbuster. I watch only certain kinds of movie on the big screen generally speaking. I don't go opening night though because I do not do well in large crowds. [snowball]
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The DS writer Seth was interviewed and states his task was to make DS "fun and funny". Interesting read but I am against his quest to intentionally make DS a very funny movie. The DS universe has always been a dark horror gothic romance show-never intentionally funny. I wonder how DC would react to this script.
http://collider.com/seth-grahame-smith-interview-hard-times-rj-berger-dark-shadows/82399/
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You beat me by about 3 seconds to posting this. I saw that you were posting in this topic so I waited, figuring you were posting about that article/interview. [snow_wink] Thanks for the link. [snow_smiley]
As for the interview, it's interesting that Grahame-Smith is only writing for Depp/Barnabas. And it may not be as bad as it might sound at first because Barnabas definitely had some funny lines in both the original DS and the '91 Series. In fact, I was watching Ep #3 of the '91 Series yesterday to get ready to take the next batch of captures for the slideshow, and one particular line of Barnabas' had me laughing all over the place. However, it wasn't slap your knee type of funny, it was viciously sarcastic type of funny.
Also, it doesn't seem that it was his idea to make it funny - it seems like Burton and Depp brought him in for that task. And considering that Depp has said that his portrayal of Barn will be close to that of Frid, I wouldn't think the lines Grahame-Smith is providing are all in the knee slapping vein because that certainly isn't the way Barn was originally portrayed.
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MB thanks for waiting. I just wonder how this movie is going to be marketed. Will it be marketed as a comedy mixed in with some gothic horror romance or will it be marketed as a serious horror movie with some comedy mixed in. I am still under the opinion that making DS intentionally funny is not the greatest idea as well as setting the movie in the 70s. I don't mind the movie being funny at times but very funny crosses that line. It is an interesting gamble by the DS production team.
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I certainly have lapses, but I'm still trying to stay positive. And what's also interesting is that Grahame-Smith says he's still tweaking the script. So, that would mean that no one has actually read the final version, so any comments we've heard thus far could be off - meaning comments from people like KLS...
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I guess is that I am most troubled by the writer's approach and intent as he described in this article, "My job on Dark Shadows was to make it fun and funny, first and foremost. It can still be dark and it can still even be gory and Gothic at times, but it also needed to be fun and it needed to be an experience that people would enjoy having. I came at it from, Lets not be afraid to be funny. Lets make Barnabas funny." I personally don't agree that the writer of this movie is to make the movie funny first and foremost. It seems that gothic is a secondary characteristic in his vision. It is very hard for me to remain positive and I certainly have lapses too. As you said the script is still being tweaked so we just have to hope for the best.
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I was actually reassured by those comments because it says that the film will be gory and Gothic. I suppose it's a glass half full/glass half empty kind of thing. [snow_wink]
Something to keep in mind, though, is that Grahame-Smith says he's only tweaking Barnabas, not the rest of the script, and apparently he was only brought in to refine Barn's sense of humor. A sense of humor isn't necessarily a bad thing. The Barn of both the daytime and primetime versions of DS each had a sense of humor. A biting (no pun intended) sense of humor. And if Grahame-Smith retains that, then we'll be seeing a Barn that we are familiar with and have loved.
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That is true it being a half/fullglass half empty kind of thing. In the Blackbookmag article Eva Green was asked, "Is it going to be a film children can see?
I dont know, its the weirdest thing Ive ever read. There will be blood, so I dont know. Its always dark and poetic with Tim Burton..." But she also did say in the same article that the script was "very, very, funny". Time will tell.
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I'm fine with humor. I also sense that sarcasm will be employed quite a bit in this script. Barnabas, Julia, Roger, Quentin, Carolyn and even Elizabeth could be quite funny at times with their witticisms and observations. That's how I choose to take these "very funny" remarks.
My feeling too is that if Frid reads the script and thinks it's being made to be campy he is less likely to be a part of the project. I'm just saying . . . my own observation and only my own. While he certainly (obviously) is open to seeing other people play Barnabas (and welcomes them to it) I don't think he would like to be a part of anything that makes the character or the series look ridiculous.
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Interesting... Eva Green's comment about the script being the weirdest thing she's ever read reminds me of an interview Nancy Barrett did about 20 years ago where she recalled arriving at the studio to "read what seemed to me a very peculiar script..." or words to that effect.
Let's cue Dame Shirley Bassey with a chorus of "History Repeating," shall we?
Nicholas Blair and Count Petofi were two other masters of the dry, sly, witty comment. I would love to see this kind of writing in the new film.
G.
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I don't mind witty, dry humor. I don't even mind a "Lost Boys" type humor. I'm ok with that. I'm just afraid they are going for funny. I like what I call "thinking man's humor" or "smart humor" and I would be fine with that, I just hope it isn't camp or silly.
I know there are those who think that any movie that gets people to watch the original DS is ok and to a point I agree. I just know that a protest at each theater showing the new movie would cause people to check out the original. An original story about a seriel killer that leaves original DS tapes with the bodies and writes polices to tell them that he asks questions about the show and only kills those who can't answer his questions, could cause people to watch the original. I'm all for new fans. I'm all for more people watching the original DS. I would hate for people to watch it and say "that's not funny, I thought this was funny, the movie is". That would just suck.
I'm ok with humor. I'm not ok with funny.
Stephen King says that no matter what the movies based on his books are like, his books are still there.
No matter what this movie turns out to be, we'll always have the original DS.
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A "protest" would simply be embarrassing. All we need is for non-DS fans to have a good reason to label DS fans (and the show that inspired them) as being whack jobs protesting a movie just because it didn't reflect on the original the way it should have. I certainly couldn't defend such an action as being anything less than silly. My hope is that fans who may even feel that way have better sense and better things to do with their time. [snow_rolleyes] Given the current economic situation and general suffering of people on a grand scale in this country and elsewhere, I would also hope those into protests would channel their energies accordingly into something that really matters and not whether or not they liked how a movie based on their favorite TV series came out. [snow_embarrassed]
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The hokey, the funny I have a feeling these pre production interviews are meant to make us go crazy. Mr. Depp and Mr. Burton have made some damn classy movies. I just dont see them making Dark Shadows into some goofy spoof.
If youve seen Ed Wood, yeah its over the top, but so was Ed Wood. Johnny Depp played it perfectly. My favorite of his films is Sleepy Hollow. He incorporated his love of the old Sherlock Holmes movies into his portrayal of Icabod Crane. There is plenty of horror and gore, but also some humor. And its fun. No harm done.
So chill out, people. Have faith in these guys. Theyve made some great movies and millions of dollars!
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Agreed. Before we can Constructively Critique the Film, We need to See the Film.
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I was actually reassured by those comments because it says that the film will be gory and Gothic.
I was too! Because, he said, "Let's not be afraid to make this film funny." To me, that means that we are dealing with a very serious film - and we shouldn't be afraid to lighten it up.
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I think you misunderstood my point, which was, there's more than one way to bring new fans to DS and that shouldn't be the bottom line. It would be great to have new fans but at what cost? New fans or not we should want the best new DS movie that we can get.
Again, I don't want fans of the new movie to watch the original DS and think "that wasn't funny".
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Because, he said, "Let's not be afraid to make this film funny." To me, that means that we are dealing with a very serious film - and we shouldn't be afraid to lighten it up.
That's the impression I got as well. [snow_smiley]
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I hope you're right.
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tracking-board.com is listing an article entitled "MICHAEL SHEEN Sets His Sights on the DARK SHADOWS of Johnny Depp, Eva Green and Helena Bonham Carter!"
It seems like there really may be something to it: Michael Sheen Enters Talks For Tim Burton's Dark Shadows (http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Michael-Sheen-Enters-Talks-For-Tim-Burton-s-Dark-Shadows-23877.html)
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I was actually reassured by those comments because it says that the film will be gory and Gothic.
I was too! Because, he said, "Let's not be afraid to make this film funny." To me, that means that we are dealing with a very serious film - and we shouldn't be afraid to lighten it up.
Yes! This is what I thought too. I can't wait to see the final product! [snow_happy]
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no matter how successful the film is i'm really not sure how many "new fans it will bring to the original DS".
i've said this before but i think the main reason our fanbase has stayed relatively small is the series' colossal number of episodes and it's serialized format. for it to make sense it must be watched regularly and followed sequentially. one could not randomly watch an 1840 episode and a 1970 parallel time episode and a 1966 episode and an 1897 episode and expect to make heads nor tails of it. the sets and some of the actors might be the same but otherwise it's almost a different show if one's not already familiar with the progression of it.
other "cult" shows with a fantasy angle might have overarching themes but in general they can be viewed in the order desired and likely only produced a hundred or so episodes as opposed to over 1200. that takes a huge commitment and sort of discourages casual viewership. it took me over five years to watch this thing and still i haven't seen all of it.
i've tried to get friends with a similar sensibility involved to no avail. i've loaned them a dvd, they watched and "liked" it but that was the end of it. it's too big a commitment and most people simply will not set aside the time to watch this from beginning to end.
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I have read Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, and while it was a horror story it did have some humor in it and it did not take away from the horror of the story, so this guy might be okay as far as writing the script.
I will reserve judgement until I see the movie -- which will be the first movie i've seen in theatres in about 8 years.
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tracking-board.com is listing an article entitled "MICHAEL SHEEN Sets His Sights on the DARK SHADOWS of Johnny Depp, Eva Green and Helena Bonham Carter!"
It seems like there really may be something to it: (URL)
Another class act. If I were guessing, he's either playing Jeremiah (if we're getting a flashback/origin) or he's playing Roger...or both! I can see Burton having a lot with the dual roles aspect of the story.
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Thanks to the DS News Page at collinwood.net: Movie Set Construction Begins (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/03/movie-set-construction-begins.html)
Can't wait to see the "huge gothic entrance hall" - hopefully it will be as or even more impressive than the one constructed for the '91 Series. And not too much of a surprise that Burton is creating "an entire New England fishing village," considering he created an entire village for Sleepy Hollow.
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he's playing Roger
I had the same thought. Though I've seen others suggest Jason McGuire. But we have no idea if Jason or even Roger are a part of the film.
Apparently Sheen is reading the script this weekend. So, if he does decide to do the film, hopefully in the not too distant future we'll find out which role he'll play.
And yes, should he become a part of it, Sheen will definitely add yet another layer of class to the production.
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Good to hear some more news about DS coming to the forefront. Very excited about Micheal Sheen possibly joining the cast! :) I haven't been around much so it's good to see these things after being offline for a few days. We have a stellar cast so far. He would make a great addition.
The 1991 show really revitalized fandom. I have a lot of friends who were brought to DS through the revival and they have alot of friends who were brought into DS through the Revival. And all of them have watched the original after getting into the Revival. I still think it can bring lots of fans to the original; however, I respect everyone's views and opinions!
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The DS universe has always been a dark horror gothic romance show-never intentionally funny. I wonder how DC would react to this script.
I'm sort of surprised that no one has commented on this because, if one thinks about it, what DC might think might be fairly deducible. But before I say more I'll wait to see if anyone else is thinking along the same lines as what I suspect could be the answer...
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For those interested in the rumor mill, an IMDB reader posted this snippet yesterday--with the strict proviso that it not be quoted, but I cite it anyway in case there's anything substantive behind the rumor:
...I heard from a fairly reliable inside source that Chloe Moretz (Kick Ass, Let Me In) is going to play Carolyn (which surprised me a bit), and that Thomas McDonell (Disney's upcoming Prom) is going to play "young Barnabas," which makes sense as he does definitely resemble Johnny Depp... (end quote)
No further comment from me about this.
As for DC's reactions to what we have been told to date, I have a fairly good idea but will keep my thoughts to myself... It's not hard to figure out though if you read up on DC's strategy in the 1991 DS and his input in the 2004 pilot...
G.
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I think DC would like the cast. As for the script, I don't know. However, as I said before I am not glad he died; however, I am glad he isn't invovled in this version of Dark Shadows. And I hope that if he were still alive he would have been tired of it and handed it completely over to JD.
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Chloe Moretz (Kick Ass, Let Me In) is going to play Carolyn
She's only 14. I suppose it is possible they could have made Carolyn much younger. But still...
Thomas McDonell (Disney's upcoming Prom) is going to play "young Barnabas," which makes sense as he does definitely resemble Johnny Depp...
Though that begs the question of why they would even need a "young Barnabas"? It's not a miniseries with the luxury of exploring many periods of Barnabas' life. And if there is any sort of flashback, one would think that flashing back to an adult Barnabas and his relationship with Josette and his becoming cursed would be more than enough to handle in a film that will likely run about two hours or less. Though I suppose they could have come up with something that's touched on briefly in Barnabas' youth that could factor into his adult life. But still...
I guess only time will tell if that info is real or someone pulling a fast one.
But speaking of IMDb and something that is real, I see where Rebecca Thomas has been added to the film's Art Department as the action prop buyer. I have to confess that's a position that I don't believe I've ever even heard of - or at least one I've never paid attention to as it's gone by in any film's credits. I wonder what actually constitutes an action prop, and just where does one buy them?
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Really odd news. I would have suggested they play Sarah and David respectively. However, Burton does love his flashbacks. Let's give Barnabas a psychoanalysis: Why does he hate being a vampire? Because of his childhood, of course!
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I think that DC would want a scary script, one that would be closer to House Of Dark Shadows than the show. I think he would want it to have humor but not to be "funny". So, if this script is "funny" as in a comedy, I don't think he would like it. I hoping it isn't that kind of script.
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Burton does love his flashbacks. Let's give Barnabas a psychoanalysis: Why does he hate being a vampire? Because of his childhood, of course!
You know, that could be possible. And in the video parody that I reposted the link to in reply #2057 on page 138, they even poke fun at how often Burton's films blame childhood experiences for adult situations, so you really might be on to something.
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If DC was involved it would probably be and updated HODS or updated version of 1991. It's shocking that he let Maggie do a 360 in the 1991 version. Of course we all know he didn't see eye to eye with everyone on the 2004 PILOT, which is one of the best examples so far of a version straying away from "DC's" vision. From what I have seen of the 2004 pilot and heard about it I like it. So I have cause to think I will enjoy the movie. I went to IMDB.com but I didn't see anything about a young Barnabas or anything about Carolyn? Hmmm......I just saw more posts about Micheal Sheen. I like Sheen a lot as Aro so I would love to see him in the movie.
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Some have come close to what I suspect might be DC's opinion of actual humor in the Depp/DS film, while others are off. Though even the ones who've come close haven't posted specifically what I'm thinking - and that also surprises me because it's a subject that has been dealt with many times here on the forum. Though I do have to confess that it is something that I wasn't first reminded of until jimbo posed his question about DC. But I'll hold off a bit longer to see if it occurs to someone else...
I went to IMDB.com but I didn't see anything about a young Barnabas or anything about Carolyn?
It's currently the first post on the message board on the regular IMDb page for the film. (And until I noticed that it doesn't appear at all on the message board in the IMDbPro section of the film, I didn't realize that there are two completely different message boards for it.)
Hmmm......I just saw more posts about Micheal Sheen. I like Sheen a lot as Aro so I would love to see him in the movie.
He's a hoot and a half as Aro! And I don't know how I'd forgotten because the series is one of my favorites, but Sheen plays a large role in the Underwold mythology as werewolf Lucien. So, Sheen has played both a vampire and a werewolf - but if as we suspect, he might play Roger in the Depp/DS film, he'll be a mere human. Though I actually take that back because no one could actually describe Roger as a mere anything! [snow_laugh] And I really do think Sheen could do so much with him. Well, IF he does the film, and IF he plays Roger...
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The more I think it about maybe DC would have enjoyed a bit of humor. After all he decided to change Willie into a funnier character on the 1991 DS. He sort of expressed in an interview that He and Barnabas would be the odd couple. So now that I think about it, perhaps DC wouldn't mind a bit humor like that injected into the story. I thought Jim Fyfe was a lot of fun and a good break from all the crazy drama.
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Bingo, Taeylor! [thumb] DC himself specifically injected Jim Fyfe's Willie into the '91 Series because he thought all the dark elements of the story needed humor to balance them. (DC said as much in several print and video interviews at the time the '91 Series was in production, as well as afterward. One remark I remember distinctly is DC saying the show "needed a few laughs between all the biting and tearing.") It was also DC who pushed for Millicent to be comic relief during the 1790 storyline. In fact, it was DC who pushed for all the comedic elements in the '91 Series. And considering that he did so then, it's probably quite likely that he would be all for the humor that's being injected into the Depp/DS film.
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Count me as one who wasn't that big of a fan of Jim Fyfe's version of Willie. I found him to be a little too buffoonish for my own tastes. I remember when Angelique's likeness first appeared (when Barnabas threw her picture into the fire) and seeing Willie on the floor hiding behind Barnabas as just one example. It goes to my earlier point about how I didn't let somebody's interpretation (Fyfe's Willie) detract from my ability to enjoy the overall series.
I've been thinking more about the 1970's setting and remembered how the movie Love at First Bite had George Hamilton's Dracula suffer the effects of drinking the blood of a drunkard. Given the free flow of drugs from the '70's, it opens the door to Barnabas feeling the effects of marijuana (would it make him MORE blood hungry?), quaaludes or cocaine. In fact, what happens when Barnabas' reflection doesn't show up in a coke mirror? Or on a mirrored ceiling (another vestige of the hedonistic '70's)?
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a 14 year old carolyn? vicki as a waitress? julia as a lush? angelique as "big in town"?
it doesn't sound like this version of DS is going to be something we're all familiar with. i realize that "we" are not necessarily the target audience for this thing but it seems like lots of unnecessary changes are being made.
hmmm... [snow_huh]
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Thomas McDonell (Disney's upcoming Prom) is going to play "young Barnabas," which makes sense as he does definitely resemble Johnny Depp...
Confirmed in Variety today.
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Thanks, Phil. [snow_smiley]
And here's a link to the article:
McDonell joins 'Dark Shadows' cast
Depp, Pfeiffer already attached to Burton pic (http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118034583)
So Carolyn may very well be played by a 14-year-old. Wow...
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Also just discovered this on deadline.com: Thomas McDonell Graduates From 'Prom' To 'Dark Shadows' (http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/thomas-mcdonell-graduates-from-prom-to-dark-shadows/) - which more importantly says (as we suspected):
"I've also heard that Michael Sheen is in early discussions to play the role of Roger, the conniving brother of Elizabeth Collins Stoddard (the role being played by Pfeiffer)."
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Remember that one article that stated Elizabeth has been locked up inside Collinwood for a decade, as opposed to eighteen years? That article may be onto something if Carolyn is, indeed, 4 (or so) years younger than the series. Idle speculation, but still, fun to think about the possibilities.
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Remember that one article that stated Elizabeth has been locked up inside Collinwood for a decade, as opposed to eighteen years?
"Locked up"? ??? That sounds ominous. I had always thought her confinement at Collinwood was self-imposed... :-\
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I really don't mind changes to the story. It would be nice for it to feel 'new" and it if could have susprises for us "old timers" but they should also understand that this movie shouldn't be "Dark Shadows" in name only. You change any story too much and you have an original story. It's starting to sound like the only things this will have in common with Dark Shadows are names.
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Not really an update at this point but another video from the folkes at Clevver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ya8M-sEm8
I haven't heard anything about the David character-is it possible the character will be written out of the movie?
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the tone of this thing seems to get stranger all the time.
the original series was often unintentionally "campy"...the over-the-top performances,the chromekey,those desperate searches for the teleprompter...but it was dead serious in it's intent.
so i'm not really sure where the "comedy" in this tale is supposed to come from in terms of the film. is it a spoof? a sendup? is it supposed to be "hilarious" when barnabas first sees an airplane or hears the phone ring? since it's to be set during the 1970's is the humor going to come from leisure suits and platform shoes?
i'm just not sure what's "funny" about this story. [snow_huh]
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I think 'funny' can be interpreted two different ways: (1) the character's actions are horrifically funny or (2) the character's words are funny in response to the action. I too didn't care for Willie coming off as a buffoonish character. Let's face it, he was a 'bad' young man who was punished in the worse possible way. His punishment brought on a major change of character. I think his displays of humor were cynical at best.
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This seems like a good time to point out that when Tim Burton did Batman, it was dark, scary & absolutely true to the spirit of the 1940s Batman--yet the film had humor.
Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd & Edward Scissorhands also had humor, but were very good films that could be taken seriously.
Both Burton & Depp have stated their love for the original DS. Depp has said he wants to model his Barnabas on Jonathan Frid's "iconic" performance.
I think we can trust Burton & Depp to do it right.
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Not really an update at this point but another video from the folkes at Clevver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_Ya8M-sEm8
I would just like to say that their interpretation of the story scares me. The thought had crossed my mind that this was one possible way to take the story, and I shuddered. But then I realized vampires don't age, so he could never possibly play a young vampire Barnabas. And I'd really rather not have Josette be a childhood love interest. The original story and subsequent retellings of the heiress arriving from Martinique work fine with me.
I really have started to question who curses Barnabas in this story...
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I don't think this particular article has been post. IF it has feel free to take it down. I like that they included the opening them in the article! :) [snow_wink]
http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/03/29/dark-shadows-young-johnny-depp/
Thanks MB. I had been debating whether you were talking about Jim Fyfe or Millicent. I wasn't sure. I meant to point out Millicent as well. And yes Fyfe could be over the top at times but I still enjoyed him.
I am sure maybe some of you think I don't have a bad word to say about the new movie. I guess I am just a true optimist at heart and hope for the best.
As for the story changes; I personally welcome them. I don't want a retread of HODS nor of the wonderful Revival that I fell in love with. However, I think Julia being an alcoholic is interesting when you look at this in the long term. If it does become a franchise then there will be a lot to draw upon if they choose to flesh her out in other movies. As for all the other changes I am okay with them as well. And just because Angelique is already in town doesn't mean she wasn't the one to curse Barnabas. Now we know we are getting a flashback to childhood, so who is to say we won't get a flashback to when she cursed him. In the original she certainly followed Barnabas around the centuries, why not? As for Eva's comment on her being "big in town" I think that can be interpreted many ways. It could mean that she is very POWERFUL supernaturally in town. There is so much unknown to us and I think that is the way JD and TB want it. They want a lot of speculation on what it's going to be about.
That being said I think that they will honor what Dark Shadows was and what it can become. I always remember that they are both fans of the show as well. And I certainly think that they have the original fans in mind while doing this movie.
I am very excited about the movie. Being a fan of the Revival I could easily say I don't like Eva Green she isn't enough like Lysette. Even I wasn't that thrilled about HBC playing Julia but I am glad they at least gave the role to a capable actress. And it may be a little hard for me at first because I loved JOANNA GOING and BARABARA STEELE very very very much. However, I plan to keep an open mind!
I continue to look forward to DS and am excited about the news we get ever day! :)
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Micheal Sheen in talks to play Roger? I hope he will get the part. I like Sheen when he was in the "Underworld" movies.
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Yes, Johnny Depp and Tim Burton are fans. Mel Brooks is a fan of the Universal Classic horror films and that's why he made the great, classic Young Frankenstein. Roland Emmerich is a fan of the classic Godzilla movies and that why he made his Godzilla that starred Mathew Broderick. They were both fans of the originals and they were both big budget movie with big names. I love Young Frankenstein but I don't want a DS comedy at this point and while "Godzilla" isn't that bad a movie it isn't a GODZILLA movie.
My point is that just because someone is a fan doesn't make them any better when it come to making a new movie based on a classic. Truth is I would bet that most remakes are made by fans of the original and most remakes suck.
Them being fans don't mean this will be any better or any worse than anyother remake.
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But then I realized vampires don't age, so he could never possibly play a young vampire Barnabas. And I'd really rather not have Josette be a childhood love interest. The original story and subsequent retellings of the heiress arriving from Martinique work fine with me.
But we have no concrete evidence that Thomas McDonell will play Barnabas at the time he is cursed? It's all speculation at this point? So far we've heard nothing about the casting of a young Angelique. So unless they have 31-year-old Eva Green's Angelique as an "older" woman temptress who leads Barnabas astray...now that would be a completely new spin. [hdscrt]
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But we have no concrete evidence that Thomas McDonell will play Barnabas at the time he is cursed? It's all speculation at this point?
Exactly. And ClevverTV even says, "We wonder if..." - they're not reporting it as fact but as their own speculation. And it might not even be their own speculation because, as I mentioned a month or so ago, ClevverTV's reports often seem to regurgitate what's reported on various Internet entertainment sites, and I definitely saw at least one other site speculating that young Barnabas will be a vampire. But as Cousin_Barnabas pointed out, vampires don't age. (Well, unless they're Dracula in Francis Ford Coppola's version of the story - but it seems highly unlikely that the Depp/DS film will be going that route because that would entail Thomas McDonell playing Barnabas more than Depp would, as Depp would simply be Barn before his first drink of blood. Ain't gonna happen. [nodno])
It's worth pointing out again that when it comes to a lot of these entertainment sites we really need to take what they report with a grain of salt (if not a mountain) because they'll often add in their own speculations but present them as looking like facts. And quite sadly, there are times when they don't bother to check supposed facts or they even outright misinterpret facts. (And for the latter two one need look no further than the recent debacle over the upcoming Streisand remake of Gypsy when numerous sites reported it was dead but it's still very much alive. Sound familiar? [wink2] ::))
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I haven't heard anything about the David character-is it possible the character will be written out of the movie?
If Carolyn is indeed being played by a younger actress, I've been wondering if they are perhaps combining the characters of Carolyn and David. Not sure I personally feel this is the best idea, but it would be interesting to see how they'd pull it off!
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Now we know we are getting a flashback to childhood, so who is to say we won't get a flashback to when she cursed him. In the original she certainly followed Barnabas around the centuries, why not?
You know, I had a thought. The discussions that Chloe Moretz is going to play Carolyn (first mentioned by Gothick) come from an anonymous second-hand source. Given that it appears we're going to see Barnabas in a flashback, what if Chloe is actually being considered for the role of a young Angelique? Suppose she meets Barnabas and develops a fanatical teenage crush on him? Her obsession with him leads her to explore her powers (leading to her becoming a witch) with the intention of making him fall in love with her. There's nothing written in stone that she has to come from Martinique and be Josette's handmaid. Maybe her family came from Salem. Heck, maybe she's simply the great granddaughter of Judah Zachary and takes to witchcraft like a prodigy!
Food for thought...
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That would be really interesting Usffan! :) Thanks for the food for thought and BTW...it's good to see a new memeber here posting more and more. Glad you joined us! :)
I was thinking along the same lines this morning. I thought that perhaps the flashback with young Barnabas would feature Angelique and his first meeting and when they had their first dalliance! Whether he chooses to leave her because of Josette remains to be seen? Josette isn't confirmed yet is she??
If Carolyn is indeed being played by a younger actress, I've been wondering if they are perhaps combining the characters of Carolyn and David. Not sure I personally feel this is the best idea, but it would be interesting to see how they'd pull it off!
I actually find this very intriguing! When one is writing a soap opera they need many characters to fill the canvas 5 days a week and of course on a movie this isn't required. I kind of like that idea.
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i'm just not sure what's "funny" about this story. [snow_huh]
Mostly, I think of Barnabas trying to make sense of the modern world as being potentially very funny--and a nice break from the tragic tale of this good man transformed into a monster against his will, of love twisted and unending revenge.
Plus I'd like to see Depp as Barnabas react the first time he hears a phone ring...
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I'm banking on the fact that Depp and Burton are fans. I just wish one of them would say something publicly to quell fans' fears about DS being "funny." It'd be nice if Burton said, "don't worry, we're not doing a comedic take on Dark Shadows. There is nothing funny about Barnabas Collins."
I cringe every time I see "funny" in these articles. At least they aren't saying "campy" though.
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Gulliver McGrath as David Collins:
http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/gulliver-mcgrath-to-play-dark-shadows-kid-role-will-michael-sheen-play-his-dad/
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Thanks so much for the link, Phil. [snow_smiley]
So much for the idea of combining David and Carolyn. And it's interesting that Thomas McDonell's casting as young Barnabas was confirmed not that long after it was posted by that person on IMDb, yet the person he said would be cast as Carolyn has not been confirmed - or even hinted at anywhere...
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It'd be nice if Burton said, "don't worry, we're not doing a comedic take on Dark Shadows. There is nothing funny about Barnabas Collins."
I doubt we are going to hear anything from them. Did you know that back in the 70's/80 George Lucas basically released to the public that he was doing a movie (the name escapes me) set up location for the paps to see and lots of hoopla just to divert attention from one of his Star Wars movies. Who knows if we are really getting all the information. The actors could be being coached===you know never know what is twirling in the minds of guys like Johnny and Tim. We are just having to try and paste everything together.
Per usual....I am excited that filming starts soon! :)
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But, if she were indeed cast as Carolyn, with David being so young (looking), I would think that a pair of "evil" little children would be exactly what Victoria would need in order to set the scene for an epic story, like that of 1969. I mean David and Amy were perfect together, and if the chemistry was right between these two, I think the story would be on par, if not improved.
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I agree. Though I'm not going to count on the possibilty of anything like that until Chloe Moretz' casting has been reported elsewhere. [snow_wink] And my point was more of a why hasn't it been reported elsewhere than a doubting that it's true. After all, he was right about McDonell. [hdscrt] But perhaps it's because her discussions are taking longer than McDonell's did...
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Slash Film picked up my article about the IMDB post and combined it with an interview bite Chloe Moretz gave. We'll see...
http://www.slashfilm.com/chloe-moretz-dark-shadows/
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Interesting that we've seen a link to casting for David, but still nothing definitive on what role Chloe Moretz might actually be playing, even in this latest link provided by Phil. It could end up being Sarah. Or maybe Carolyn and have Sarah speak at a seance through her. So many possibilities...
As far as statements, I have a feeling that Burton et. al. are probably not overly worried about quelling any fears amongst the fandom of Dark Shadows. I suspect that they know most of us will go to see the movie anyway (maybe not borgosi based on what I've seen posted here [snow_wink]), and any angst we discuss at least keeps the movie being discussed. In order to be a successful movie or even a potential franchise, they're going to have to appeal to a much broader audience. It's kind of like the way sports fans complain about the commentary from sportscasters on televised games. They're not really worried about "preaching to the converted," they're worried about appealing to the casual fans.
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an interview bite Chloe Moretz gave
Hmmm - that certainly sounds like it *might* be a confirmation. Though if her casting in the Depp/DS film is true, and if it hasn't been officially reported elsewhere because they were hoping to keep it a secret that Carolyn will be much younger, well, they didn't do a very good job of keeping it under wraps when it came to the person who told the person who posted on IMDb. [snow_cheesy]
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usffan - If upon release we get a real DS movie no one will be able to keep me out of the theaters.
By "real DS movie" I mean a movie that we would be able pick out as being based on DS even if the names were changed. If fans that I know and respect think it's a real DS movie.
If it's a good, or even great movie that you wouldn't know was based on DS if you changed it's title and the charaters names, I'll have to think about going to see it in a theater. I'm may just wait and buy the DVD or wait for Netflix to get it.
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I will be at the theater! :)
Also, you know what. Last week they released a picture of the new Wonder Woman costume which most people hated. Now, pictures have surfaced of the actress filming in a updated costume that resembles a costume an actual fan photoshopped.
The costume is ten times better than we what we first seen.
I said that to say this. I am sure Johnny Depp and Tim Burton have people (perhaps even on this board) reading our reactions to the news. Seeing what we are responding to and what we are not. So that also makes me feel very hopeful. I almost say with 99.9 % certainty our concerns and comments are be watched and pay attention to. ;)
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Nikki Finke confirms Chloe:
http://www.deadline.com/2011/03/chloe-moretz-joins-dark-shadows/
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It would seem like this pretty much takes care of all the major established characters that are going to be in the movie. No? Not to say that there aren't any other roles. But it would seem like all the ones that we've been anticipating to possibly be in the film have been filled. Although, if the film doesn't have the actors doing double duty as has been the practice in previous versions, I suppose there could be other established characters in the past/flashback(s) yet to cast/announce...
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what about the hero burt or jeff clark all past ds have had the good guy who battles barnabas.
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There's precedent in the DS universe for not having a character like that because the '91 Series didn't - though that's certainly a possibility. (And Barn would have gotten a rival for Vicki's affections had the '91 Series continued...) And some of Barn's best scenes in the original DS were when he was plotting against Burke and Willie would be desperately trying to talk him out of it. Though one does wonder how much story they can pack into one film. It would seem, anyway, that Liz will be more than window dressing in the film, so there may not be room to do justice to Barn having a significant rival if Liz' story will be a significant subplot. Plus, Barn's antagonist would appear to be Angelique. But I suppose we'll see. [snow_wink]
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there was a little in 91 ds when viki went into the past there was peter bradford like in the first ds.
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One of the most interesting things about all the reports that are surfacing about Chloe Moretz being cast is how so many of them are describing the Depp/DS as "huge" - presumably based on the fact that Moretz herself would have appeared to have described it that way over the weekend in the quote that thanks to Phil came to our attention yesterday. Not that the film hasn't been described that way before by a few reports here and there. But now "huge" is suddenly the major description of choice. Not that we're about to complain. [snow_wink]
The other interesting thing about her quote, though, is that she told MTV News that she had already booked the film that she wasn't allowed to mention, yet most reports are saying that Moretz is still in discussions. But then, considering the news was presented as a fait a complete on IMDb last weekend around the same time that she made her remark to MTV, perhaps many are simply trying to cover their asses to make it look like they're on top of the news when they very well may be behind it. [snow_cheesy]
And changing reels slightly, over the past few weeks I've noticed several sites identifying Eva Green's Angelique as "Angelique Bouchard" - but at least a few of the reports about Moretz' casting are identifying Ang as "Angelique Bouchard Collins". One can't help but wonder if that really is her character name of if they're embellishing on their own...
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I am excited about the "HUGE" comment that Chloe gave. She is a good little actress and she looks like she could be daughter of Michelle, easily! :) Excitied, excited, excited!!!!!
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PS....She was wonderful in 500 DAYS OF SUMMER with Joseph Gordon Levitt. Which is an amazing movie in and of itself. She has made/or had about 15 movies in pre production. :)
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I think "huge" is apt - looking at this cast on paper, it's a pretty impressive company thus far. By my count, 9 Oscar nominations among the main cast alone, to say nothing of the A-list craftspeople behind the camera. This thing is shaping up to be HUGE!
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It occurs to me that maybe she isn't really up for Carolyn (one article even described as being cast as Liz!) but perhaps as a young Josette. Maybe not. But consider...
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If it was simply a certain few of the sites (which shall remain nameless) reporting the news as her being cast as Carolyn, I would say they could easily be wrong - but Variety is also reporting that Moretz has been cast as Carolyn.
PS....She was wonderful in 500 DAYS OF SUMMER with Joseph Gordon Levitt.
Really. I have that DVD, but I haven't watched it yet. But then, so what else is new because I'm always saying I have DVDs that I haven't watched - but there are only so many hours in the day. [snow_cheesy] However, I'll definitely have to move that up on my list. [snow_wink]
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Well if Carolyn is going to be younger, then I guess there will be no BUZZ. Maybe now a biker wouldn't fit in any way.
I really hope that they don't do the cattle thing. That was really gross just thinking about it.
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Move it up.....500 Days of Summer is one of the best movie's I have seen in YEARS!
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Well if Carolyn is going to be younger, then I guess there will be no BUZZ.
I can't get the creepy thought of a Jebez Hawkes subplot with a 14 year old Carolyn out of my head now. Yuck!
Seriously, though, I really like the idea of Sarah speaking through Carolyn as a possibility now.
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For the record, I thought Chloe Grace Moretz was brilliant and heart-breaking in last year's Let Me In in which [spoiler]she plays the 12-year-old vampire Abby. Kind of ironic, really.[/spoiler] It occurs to me that if Carolyn looks anything like Sarah, there's a lot of dramatic potential there.
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if there is a second movie should it be about adam a frankensteion story or quentin ghost/werewoft story. quentin was the second most popular charater on the show but i always thought robert rodan did a great job playing adam. but i would have to go with quentin.
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It's very possible that the age of the character Carolyn could be more along the lines of 16-17; it depends on what they want to do with the actress, so we shouldn't assume her real age is a clue to the movie.
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I'd rather they go with the creepy kids approach as opposed to an older Carolyn, personally. Older Carolyn could get very boring at times, though I loved Nancy Barrett. Carolyn was most exciting in the pre-Barnabas episodes. But that was when she had a man like Burke Devlin to hang around. Little Carolyn would be fascinating to see, especially her interactions with David.
However, in response to LOOKE's question, I hope they avoid the Frankenstein bit. It was the key turning point in the original series, and I have always resented it. It managed to hijack the Barnabas love story and turn it into a science-fiction monster mash, which, while certainly fun, was a huge departure from anything we saw before 1795. So, I'd hope that a sequel would either be a return to 1795 or the Haunting of Collinwood (Quentin).
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I would much rather have a Quentin story. While I love 1968 I don't want to see it again it was mess at times.
I would like to point out that I am so glad the board is moderated and people are civil. FB is getting some really hateful stuff on it with people marking X's through Johnny's face and saying nasty things. I have now deleted these people. They are closed minded and you can't reason with any of them at all! These people were acquaintances not friends.
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Two more videos from Clevver TV on Chloe's announcement:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-wlA_wXlfg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7DsasPvjq0
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in the original series...and to a lesser extent the revival...the crux of the carolyn character was that she was a teenage girl on the precipice of womanhood. it was the driving force behind most of the decisions she made.
so a much younger version of that character totally changes her nature. and we can assume the whole subplot of barnabas biting her and placing her under his control will be completely absent.
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Thanks so much for the links, jimbo. [snow_smiley]
Interesting that unlike the other cast members, she rates two reports - one a normal report and the other tying into her "huge " remark.
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A bit late on this (because the Google Alert came in yesterday but I didn't check my e-mail yesterday) but in an interview with New York Magazine that's mostly about Camelot, Eva Green confirms that she will be using an American accent for Angelique. Of course, she's already intimated as much elsewhere, though some fans on various blogs had chosen to believe that she was actually speaking of Lara Parker's Angelique during the Leviathans storyline and not her own character in the Depp/DS film.
Check out: CHAT ROOM: Camelots Eva Green on Sex Scenes and Paganism (http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/04/eva_green_tk.html)
(Scroll down to "You also do a pretty good English accent.")
Changing reels, a couple other remarks:
I'd be surprised if the Depp/DS film went the cattle attack route. At first the original DS was very skittish about having human attacks take place, so that was the only reason the cattle business was even brought into things. But vampire stories have no such skittishness these days. [snow_wink]
And if any sequels do come along, and if they were to base them in some part on the original series, I'd love to see them completely skip the whole Adam business. The '91 Series was going to completely skip it, mostly because they believed a cured Barnabas was a far less interesting Barnabas. I could see why Burton and Co. might possibly like the idea because the exploration of Barn's humanity could be meaty - but I would think they'd have to have the Adam cure ultimately fail with Barn somehow becoming recursed. However, I'd much prefer to see them move on to Quentin's haunting - or to even go in some completely new direction not done on the original series.
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b.t.w. perez hilton reported on the carolyn casting yesterday.
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The movie only going to be two hours or so long. No way the entire plotline from the series--which lasted over twenty hours or more just from the time Barnabas showed up to Maggie's escape--can fit into all that. Of course characters and situations will be adapted, altered, etc. They have to be! So Carolyn won't fit into the same storylines as in the series. She can't. We shouldn't expect her to, nor be disappointed.
But plenty of opportunities offer themselves with a somewhat younger Carolyn, not least a closer relationship with David and a different one with Vicky.
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I'd almost bet money the kid actress is actually playing Sarah, not Carolyn. She has a very haunted quality in Let Me In. I think the producers are wanting to capitalize on that. If Carolyn is too young to be a vampire victim I wonder how she would be of any use in the story?
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What occurs to me is that she might look like Sarah, stirring all kinds of memories in Barnabas.
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Just because she's young doesn't mean she couldn't be bitten by a vampire. There are a few classic vampire movies and stories that had babies bitten by vampires.
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I'd rather they go with the creepy kids approach ... Little Carolyn would be fascinating to see, especially her interactions with David.
The more I think about it, the more I'm finding myself agreeing with you. A younger Carolyn but with older Carolyn's personality traits, or should I say faults, hooking up with David could be beyond creepy. [snow_wink]
Changing reels again, I see where IMDb is reporting that Paul Gooch has been added as the film's wigs/hair designer - and given the film's '70s setting, one presumes he'll be designing wigs and hair for both the presumed flashback(s) as well as the film's present. And in addition to joining the long list of people who've not only worked with Burton and Depp in the past (Sleepy Hollow, Sweeney Todd: The Demon Barber of Fleet Street, Alice in Wonderland, and Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides), but but also on The Wolfman, Gooch has also worked on such prestige period films as Mansfield Park, Becoming Jane, and The King's Speech.
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Eva Green tells the Hollywood Reporter that the DS movie is sorta like a dark comedy. I was hoping she would say something like the movie is a gothic horror thriller mixed with some humor. Maybe that is what she meant but I am back to having some concerns with the movie but time will tell.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/eva-green-discusses-playing-morgan-174208
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I also thought it would be cool to see a younger Carolyn hanging with her cousin David causing trouble. We shall see....Chloe easily looks like she could be Michelle's daughter.
We shall see about the dark comedy. I would like to point out that she says "it's sorta of a dark comedy" Maybe it's just so different they are having a hard time pinning it down? Perhaps that is how she perceives. Perhaps it will be a dramedy.
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Yes, whenever someone describes something as "sort of" that definitely means that it isn't fully whatever type of descriptor is to follow. And also, given that the question was if she ever wonders why she doesn't get offered comedy, if the film really is a dark comedy, she wouldn't have qualified her response by including "sort of." And one could also say that "sort of" is even more of a qualifier than "appear" is, as in, "Two long discussed Depp projects appear kaput." And we all know how far the Depp/DS film actually was from being kaput when Entertainment Weekly wrote that. [wink2]
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It's very hard for me to come up with a movie that has no humor. Even "Saving Private Ryan" had humor. I haven't heard from any DS fans that don't want any humor in the movie. Even the best horror films have humor. My fear is that it's going to be a comedy. When someone that has read the script says it's "very, very funny" I think comedy.
If it is a comedy, dark or otherwise, I hope it's a very smart comedy.
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if i'm taking the temperature correctly it seems like most of us were hoping for a pulpy gothic soap with elements of classic horror.
it seems like we're getting a black comedy. the word "funny" has been used too often by too many of the participants to really think otherwise. i could be dead wrong but that's how it feels to me.
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I think you're right and I'm hoping we're both wrong.
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Well, IF it is a black comedy, it's a scary and bloody black comedy that's also a relationship story with touches of the poetic. [snow_wink]
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The more and more I think about it as long as Dark Shadows is a good movie I don't mind at all if it's a dark comedy. Then again we never know what Tim and Johnny have up their sleeves. They could have coached these actors to say certain things. We just don't know enough about to the script to really nail it down......
As usual...I am remaining optimistic! :)
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it seems like we're getting a black comedy. the word "funny" has been used too often by too many of the participants to really think otherwise. i could be dead wrong but that's how it feels to me.
I'm inclined to agree. Way too many "funny" comments for me to believe otherwise. Not that this necessarily has to be a bad thing or an indication that they will be making fun of original DS in a mean or spiteful way. Just not what many of us were expecting or hoping for. Time will tell.
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All this talk of vampires and funny are conjuring up images of "Love at First Bite" with George Hamilton. The DS movie will be set in the 70's mind you! Maybe Johnny loves the nightlife AND he's got to boogie. (We'll see.)
I can't see going to all the trouble of hiring this caliber of talent to make the new movie even in the realm of a farce... Johnny's own words about admiring Frid's iconic performance and his version will be close to that has me sold that he and Timbo will get it right. (OK I admit I'm still crossing my fingers!)
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Silence of the Lambs is funny. So is Dexter. I'm just saying...
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I was thinking about it last night while viewing JF's second episode where he meets Liz and Victoria. If Johnny plays him in those paramaters I think we have a great movie on our hands! I agree Robot Quentin...I still have my fingers crossed.
Perpetually optimistic here..... [snow_wink]
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Hey guys...Sorry I didn't get time to modify.
I still have to remind myself that apparently KLS has read Dark Shadows. It seems plausible that Johnny perhaps wanted some of the originals to see read the script and see what they think of it. I mean he is FAN of the show and I feel that he would in no way want to disrespect the legacy nor the cast.
I think it's safe to say that KLS is outspoken and she would not say on a whim. That is reassuring to me as well....
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Frankly Taeylor... as far as KLS publicly expressed opinion about anything goes, I wouldn't rely too much on what she said about that script.
While I don't exactly think of her as Little Mary Sunshine, I do remember this one occasion at one of the 1980s Festivals. KLS was gushing about the wonderful atmosphere in the studio and how everyone there was just one big happy family. At some point she stopped; there was a pregnant pause, and then Joan arched an eyebrow and said something like: "Really, dear. Remind me again which show YOU worked on?"
Just sayin'.
Cheers, Cousin GothEEEK
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I haven't followed all of the links on this thread, so I apologize if this info. is old news. I haven't seen it discussed yet on the forum.
A friend of mine who works in the graphic arts industry forwarded me the following story from her animation newsletter (I'm trying to find out the name of the publication):
"The cast for Tim Burton's DARK SHADOWS fills out even more. Deadline.com
first reports that Chloe Moretz (KICK-ASS) is in negotiations to play
Carolyn, the daughter of Elizabeth Collins Stoddard (Michelle Pfeiffer),
the hermetic owner of the Collinwood mansion.
In another post, Deadline.com writes that Gulliver McGrath (HUGO CABRET)
is set to play David Collins, the cousin of Moretz's potential
character. Michael Sheen will play his father, Roger Collins, who fears
that someone is trying to kill him.
The cast also includes Johnny Deep, Bella Heathcoate, Jackie Earle
Haley, Eva Green, and Helena Bonham Carter. Seth Grahame-Smith penned
the script."
The bit about Roger is one of the first references to the actual content of the script that I've seen so far and it sounded like an interesting shift.
ProfStokes
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That's definitely news to me. Thanks for sharing it. [snow_smiley] And unless I've been blind, I don't believe deadline.com has ever reported that bit about Roger on their site. The only thing I recall them saying about him is that he's "the conniving brother" of Liz.
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I actually see the "sort-of black comedy" angle playing out rather well if they go with the whole paranoid Roger angle.
I think it's fascinating how much material we have seen referenced from the earliest parts of the series in these articles about the movie. I do hope that Liz is indeed a recluse and that Roger is indeed fearful of [spoiler]missing auto parts.[/spoiler] If all this is true, forget about Barnabas. Just give me the rest of the family. (I'm only half joking here.)
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The newsletter is called "Animation Flash" and it's available through Animation World Network. Here's the original link to the article: http://www.awn.com/news/acting/hit-girl-descends-dark-shadows-more
Cousin_Barnabas, you've given me an idea. Suppose we find out that [spoiler]Roger's fears are justified and that David and Carolyn (a la David and Amy) are both trying to kill him--because "Quentin" told them to.[/spoiler] This could easily become the cliffhanger setting up a second movie while combining multiple elements from different points in the original series.
ProfStokes
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Oh my goodness, ProfStokes! How great would that be?! It's too perfect to be real... or is it? [snow_cheesy]
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I just noticed that the Depp/DS film has hit an all-time new high of 182 on IMDb's MOVIEmeter. What is MOVIEmeter, you might ask? Well, as defined by IMDB, "MOVIEmeter rankings provide a snapshot of what movies are hot based on the searches of millions of IMDb users. Updated weekly, these rankings also graph the popularity of movies over time and determine which events affect public awareness."
IMDb attributes the current 182 ranking to all the publicity surrounding the casting of Thomas McDonell and particularly Chloe Moretz. Apparently Moretz is quite a popular young lady - more popular than any of us may have realized. And to put that 182 into perspective:
- The week of March 27th, when Michael Sheen's rumored casting was being reported, DS achieved a ranking of 830 (having shot up from 860 the week before).
- The week of February 20th, when Michelle Pfeiffer and Helena Bonham Carter were being reported, DS achieved a ranking of 582 (having shot up from 995 the week before).
- The week of February 6th, when Eva Green and Jackie Earle Haley were being reported, DS achieved a ranking of 586 (having shot up from 1,372 the week before).
Some more perspective facts:
- The Depp/DS film actually started out on the MOVIEmeter with a ranking of 18,214 the week of August 5, 2007.
- It hit its all-time low with a ranking of 41, 428 the week of February 10, 2008.
- It shot way up to 7,280 when news of Tim Burton directing was finally confirmed the week of June 8, 2008.
- It leapt way up to 1,661 the week of June 15, 2008 based on the same news.
- It hit its previous high of 515 the week of August 10, 2008 still based on the same news along with Depp's casting in Alice in Wonderland.
- It slipped all the way down to 1,047 by the week of September 21, 2008.
- The erroneous reports of DS being "kaput" brought it up to 693 the week of October 12, 2008.
- It slid down to 1,165 by the week of November 16, 2008.
- News that DS was seriously being considered as Burton and Depp's next move brought it up to 747 the week of December 7, 2008.
- When that didn't pan out, it slipped down to 12,918 by February 22, 2009.
- It got a slight bump to 11,844 the week of March 22, 2009 based on initial reports that it was still 'very active.'
- It leapt up to 1,951 the week of June 28, 2009 based on Depp's interviews that 'Dark Shadows is happening.'
- By the week of November 15, 2009, it slipped back down to 6,975.
- Reports that DS would begin shooting in the fall of 2010 brought it up to 4,094 the week of December 13, 2009.
- It slipped down to 6,440 by the week of February 7, 2010.
- A new set of interviews from Burton and Depp concerning Alice and DS brought it up to 2,593 the week of March 7, 2010.
- It slipped down to 7,064 by June 27, 2010.
- Reports of Seth Grahame-Smith being brought on as the new script writer brought it up to 4,858 the week of July 25, 2010.
- It slipped down to 9,472 by the week of October 3, 2010.
- News that DS would begin shooting in "Early 2011" only brought it back up to 7,993 the week of October 10, 2010. (Given how previous reports/rumors had not materialized, people were probably shy about believing it at that point.)
- It slipped down to 12,300 by October 31, 2010.
- Confirmed reports in the trades of an April 2011 start brought DS up to 1,226 the week of November 14, 2010.
- Another set of Burton/Depp interviews brought it up to 945 the week of December 12, 2010.
- And it has only fallen down to 1,470 by the week of January 16, 2011 before the Eva Green and Jackie Earle Haley casting news broke.
It's probably also worth noting that IMDb lists the cast members based on their personal STARmeter. Some may be shocked at how high Chole Moretz ranking really is (which is no doubt why her casting has caused the film itself to jump so high).
Here are their rankings (and even though HBC isn't currently listed on IMDb, I'm including her as well):
Johnny Depp ... Barnabas Collins 10
Chloe Moretz ... Carolyn Stoddard 12
Eva Green ... Angelique Bouchard 88
Helena Bonham Carter ... Dr. Julia Hoffman 127
Michael Sheen 173
Michelle Pfeiffer ... Elizabeth Collins Stoddard 328
Jackie Earle Haley ... Willie Loomis 542
Thomas McDonell ... Young Barnabas Collins 1,298
Bella Heathcote ... Victoria Winters 2,275
Gulliver McGrath ... David Collins 12,591
Changing reels entirely, just for the fun of it I looked up the definition of a black comedy in the Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms:
"black comedy: a kind of drama in which disturbing or sinister subjects like death, disease, or warfare, are treated with bitter amusement, usually in a manner calculated to offend and shock."
That would most definitely jibe with the descriptions we've been getting of the Depp/DS film being dark, bloody and scary along with it being funny. But it doesn't necessarily fit in with fears that the film itself will be a comedy rather than a drama with comedic elements to it. So, if the Oxford Dictionary of Literary Terms' definition is the sort of black comedy that Eva Green was trying to sort of describe, it wouldn't appear that there's all that much to worry about. Treating death with bitter amusement can easily slip into the DS universe. In fact, I would hazard a guess that it's already been a part of the DS universe and we could find examples if we went looking for them...
Also:Oh my goodness, ProfStokes! How great would that be?! It's too perfect to be real... or is it? [snow_cheesy]
Yes, that would be quite an interesting twist if it turns out to be the way things will play out.
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Thanks for doing all that research and sharing it. Very interesting. [snow_smiley]
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And yet, we still don't know whether Vicki/Mickie/Mackie/Vaggie (??) is going to be a waitress or a governess. Ah well...
G.
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Maybe it's just me, but Vaggie has an air of the obscene to it, in which case I love it! [lghy]
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Another hilarious Burton parody, only this one sends up Burton as well as Boham Carter and Depp:
At Home With The Burtons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-MCCpfJHhk)
"I used to be your wife, Tim." Too much! [lghy]
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Just caught an episode of the 'Prisoner' with Patrick MacGoohan which had Josette's Music Box theme (early version). Very cool. Seeing this makes me wonder if there will be any reference to a music box in the new movie. Black comedy as explained above gives me some hope that the movie won't be a slapstick affair.
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Well, they had better have a music box, and it had better have Cobert's theme. Josette's Music Box is an essential element of the Barnabas-Josette love story. It is the symbol of their affection, and Cobert's theme is the representation of their love. I would hope everyone involved in the new project realizes this. (Not that I feel strongly about the matter or anything...)
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With so many unknowns who knows if we will see Josette; however, I am pretty much thinking we will since there is going to be a young Barney. ;)
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Taeylor, do not speak of such things!
Anyway, all reports indicate that whoever this Victoria Winters girl is, she does indeed resemble the lost love of Barnabas Collins. So, let's keep our fingers crossed that said lost love is Josette and not some impostor. [snow_ghost]
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http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/eva-green-discusses-playing-morgan-174208
I watched the first two episodes of "Camelot" where Eva Green's character performed some kind of a pagan ritual. To me she is just right for the role of Angelique. But I wonder will her hair be blond?
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I'm not worried about the lack of Josette. What really interests me is the whole idea of Carolyn being 14 (or 15--Miss Moretz can pass).
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Eva Green was in a great movie called The Dreamers about a teenage brother & sister in France befriending an American boy their age. It takes place in France 1968 during the riots.
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So... I wonder who is playing Dr. Julia Hoffman... HBC's name has been on and off IMDB, and now it's off again.
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Just because HBC's name appears and disappears on IMDb, I wouldn't necessarily discount that she will play Julia. There's a great deal of weirdness on IMDb. Remember they were the Web site that single-handedly started the whole idea of Kirsten Van Wagner playing Vicki - and we all know where that went. [wink2] At least with HBC, there are plenty of other places reporting she will be Julia, so her casting has far more credibility than Van Wagner's casting ever did. It just may be that whoever handles the DS listing on IMDb is waiting for HBC's casting to be reported in/on one of the trade papers/Web sites. Of all the actors mentioned for the film, HBC would appear to be the only one who has never been reported there. Though unlike Van Wagner, at least there have been legitimate interviews with HBC in which she says she probably will do the film.
Moving on to another topic, who knows why the person writing the following report thinks Angelique will curse Elizabeth in the new film? I suppose it is possible that they'll be doing some version or other of the Elizabeth's obsession with death plot. Or should we just presume the writer actually made a typo and meant to say Angelique will curse Barnabas? Who knows? [idontknow]
From General Zod being cast in Man of Steel, the Hangover Part II trailer and Dark Shadows casting news to Glenn Beck leaving TV, Snooki getting a spin-off show and more, 411's Shawn S. Lealos breaks down the Right, wrong, and Ridiculous from the week in Movies/TV! (http://www.411mania.com/movies/columns/181822)
One also has to wonder if they're embellishing on their own by saying Roger almost lost the family fortune or if that is an actual plot point in the film?
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I does seem as if the person who wrote the 411mania.com article is merely speculating as to what the Depp/DS film will be about, but I had a thought this morning. IF Angelique really does curse Elizabeth - and IF her name really is Angelique Bouchard Collins (as others have also reported) - wouldn't it be interesting IF she not only comes by the Collins name because she was once married to Barnabas but because she's also married to Roger. Unlike the original show where Elizabeth witnessed Cassandra kissing Tony Peterson and was subsequently cursed by Cass, Ang could curse Elizabeth because somehow she finds out that Ang practices witchcraft. And IF Ang is already married to Roger, that *could* explain why she's already so well established and influential in Collinsport.
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It sounds as if Depp & Burton's favorite DS period may be Leviathan and PT 1970. In PT 1970 there was one line where Elizabeth (during the two weeks or so when she was given dowdy clothing to wear) mentioned that she entrusted the management of her money to Roger, and he squandered it, as a result of which they were both dependent on handouts from Quentin.
Of course the idea of Ang being married to Roger and cursing Liz hearkens back to the Cassandra storyline. I have to say if this results from the input of the two big-name fans in the group (Depp & Burton), they both have really good taste... *wink*
G.
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The "young Barnabas" actor speaks.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/04/12/dark-shadows-johnny-depp-thomas-mcdonell-prom/
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The movie "spans a long peroid of time" NICE! :) And he didn't seem to think it was going to be a comedy.
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Hey guys! Sorry for the double! However, I found this article about Thomas McDonell from Just Jared.com! And along with it is a nice picture. It's from an feature in Rolling Stone. He looks a lot like Johnny and FEEEEINE! :)
He is listed as a one of 2011 breakout stars! I feel good about having a breakout star in DS. We have a fine cast coming together. Now fingers crossed the script is good!
http://justjared.buzznet.com/tags/thomas-mcdonell/
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Chloe Grace Moretz talking about being officially cast as Carolyn...
http://youtu.be/PyI2NCcTAJk (http://youtu.be/PyI2NCcTAJk)
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Thanks so much for the link, Zahir. [snow_smiley]
Interesting that the video confirms what we already suspected: that even when it was first reported that Moretz was in discussions to play Carolyn, she had actually already "booked" the part.
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Glad they confirmed HBC is there too... I am totally on board with her! I was worried there might be a last minute change with her disappearing from the IMDB list. Still trying to adjust to such a young version of Carolyn! Strange...
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I think it's ingenious to cast a younger Carolyn, especially with the possibility of a trilogy! We can watch her grow and different storylines!
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Variety relying on Moretz's tweet to confirm she is attached to the DS movie. Variety a little late but all is good.
http://www.boffo.com/2011/04/chloe-moretz-tweets-dark-shadows-role.html
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I think it's ingenious to cast a younger Carolyn, especially with the possibility of a trilogy! We can watch her grow and different storylines!
I rather think its about MP not wanting to have an "adult" child on scrreen (her personal circumstances notwithstanding as a mother of two late teens) but then maybe i'm overly skeptical.
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I think it's ingenious to cast a younger Carolyn, especially with the possibility of a trilogy! We can watch her grow and different storylines!
Let the franchise commence!! [easter_grin] ...just as long as there's not a breakfast cereal tie-in!!
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Bite your tongue. As a collector of monster toys, I would like as much merchandise out of this baby as possible - so long as Johnny's character bears a resemblance to Frid's. This means bangs. I want bangs on my action figures, got it? Good. [easter_cheesy]
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Oh action figures would be awesome! And as someone mentioned a while back, a Collinwood play set would be too cool. [easter_shocked]
...I'm just not on board with a JD Barnabas on a cereal box! As over-merchandised a the Pirate movies were, that just seems to lower the credibility bar to an undesirable level. My money is on a PG-13 rating for this movie anyways.
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I would (almost) kill for a Collinwood playset. I understand what you mean about being blown out of proportion like Pirates. I wouldn't much care for that either, but, on the same hand, to see Dark Shadows be as big as pirates would make me rather happy.
Yes, I think the movie is going to be in the PG-13 range as well, though I wouldn't be surprised if we got an R rating out of it. It's about vampires and Burton is not blood-shy. We will see.
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I would totally be thrilled if it was like Pirates. Jack is ICONIC. Barnabas is ICONIC! I could definitely see that happening. Considering he "LOVES" Barnabas I would say he would want to get into "Barnabas Skin" several times. He seems to have a romp when he is Jack Sparrow! [easter_wink] I am sure he is going to WOW us with Barnabas!
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Thomas McDonell is featured in this week's (double) issue of Entertainment Weekly (April 22/29) in a section entitled "LET THE BUZZ BEGIN!" Among other things, it references McDonell's involvement with Prom and DS, Unfortunately, the piece isn't on EW's Web site, so I can't provide a link - but there's nothing mentioned about DS that we don't already know.
When the Depp/DS film comes out, it should be interesting to see whether McDonell or Chloe Moretz will be the bigger teen draw. Right now she's head and shoulders above him - but a lot can change in a year. And of course, for it to really matter to the film, it would have to have a PG-13 rating and not an R...
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Another actor has been added at the imdb website (Gabriel Freilich). At this point it's hard to say what information there is actually confirmed. There isn't much about him outside of the fact he received uncredited work for Hippie 3 and for a short movie.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/fullcredits#cast
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Well, one thing we do know is that things rarely work out well for hippies in horror movies. After all, we need look no further than the hippie in the NoDS script. [easter_grin]
And of course, considering he's Hippie #3, chances are very good we'll be seeing Hippie #2 and Hippie #1 one of these days. [easter_cheesy]
And thanks for the heads up, jimbo. [easter_smiley] I had glanced over IMDb earlier today, but there wasn't anything new then. But as I remarked one time before, I supposed one needs to remain diligent. [easter_wink]
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That is true and funny MB. He is better off playing a zombie. Guess he can't play Carolyn's boyfriend now. Here is more info on him: http://www.uk.castingcallpro.com/view.php?uid=300283
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Guess he can't play Carolyn's boyfriend now.
Though wouldn't it have been a hoot and a half if they'd named him Buzz? But maybe that honor will befall on Hippie #1. [easter_grin]
Here is more info on him: http://www.uk.castingcallpro.com/view.php?uid=300283
Wow - locating that is above and beyond. You are diligent tonight! [easter_wink]
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I think you are on a roll too. Why not Buzz? That is funny. I went back to imdb and is it possible that it is referring to the fact that he was in a production called Hippie 3? I went to his specific imdb page and now I am not sure. But hey the more hippies the better for us. lol
In his casting profile at the UK link he kind of looks like a young Gerard but I could be wrong.
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Please disregard my last post regarding what role he will be playing-darn my tired eyes. He is Hippie No. 3 and uncredited. Wonder if the other hippies will be credited.
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No problem - sometimes the way the IMDb does things can be confusing. [easter_smiley]
He does look like James Storm's Gerard in that photo on uk.castingcallpro.com. And interestingly DS is already listed on his resume that comes up when one clicks on the spotlight link on that site.
It's nice to see that he has an extensive theater career - though I'm not quite sure how much of his talents he might be able to showcase by playing the uncredited role of Hippie #3. [easter_wink] But I suppose we'll see...
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Thanks MB. We still haven't figured out why HBC is presently not listed as a confirmed actor at said site. Maybe because she hasn't signed a contract.
That was a nice catch. I didn't click on that spotlight link. I need to do more clicking. jk It seems TB has a reason for everything he does and who he picks as actors.
Not sure if this is new but imdb also states that DS will be filming a scene(s) in the woods. It's nice to see that DS will not be entirely filmed on stage.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1077368/locations
Google images has some pics and many other films used the woods in its movies.
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Interesting. A while back they were supposedly scouting woods in Scotland - but apparently they decided to go with the tried and true location of Bourne Woods in Farnham, Surrey, England, where, among other films, it will surprise no one that The Wolfman also shot sequences. [easter_wink]
Hopefully sooner rather than later we'll get some clue as to what house will be "playing" Collinwood in the film. Well, unless the exterior of Collinwood is going to be CGI, which I'm hoping it won't be...
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Bourne Woods in Farnham, Surrey, England, where, among other films, it will surprise no one that The Wolfman also shot sequences. [easter_wink]
Woo hoo for The Wolfman location!! [easter_cheesy] (LOL!) Maybe Barnabas will bite Hippie #3 in these woods -- LOL!
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Two things I keep forgetting to mention:
It's looking like Eva Green has missed out on the role she was being considered for in the Total Recall remake, so apparently she won't have to do any sort of schedule juggling to appear in it as well as the Depp/DS film.
Several reports are saying that Depp will be heavily involved in promoting Pirates 4 until May 20th and are strongly implying if not outright saying that he won't begin work on DS until after that date. However, that doesn't necessarily mean the film won't begin shooting until after the 20th. Depp is most probably in the vast majority of scenes, but I doubt he's in all of them, so production *could* begin without him. Unfortunately, though. it doesn't seem as if the start date is being reported anywhere on the Internet (IMDb STILL says April ::) - and myentertainmentworld.com's most current listing (which was revised on April 6th) simply says "May 2011".
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Not that the Daily Star is the most reliable source of information but it does state that JD has already "shipped" his family to a mansion with a wine cellar in the UK. Hopefully filming will begin soon. I also hope that the exterior of Collinwood won't be CGI generated.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/playlist/view/187525/Vintage-Johnny-Depp/
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There's only one real Collinwood and it's the Carey Mansion, anything else is a bad fake and so far as I know they're not using it so I really don't care if the new fake is cgi or a matt painting or a still photo.
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I have the double issue of EW but haven't found the LET THE BUZZ BEGIN section, can you please tell me what page it's on?
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There are so many mansions in England that are used for filming. I for one also care that its not done via CGI. I envision a dark mansion whose extensive gardens have seen better days.
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Not that the Daily Star is the most reliable source of information but it does state that JD has already "shipped" his family to a mansion with a wine cellar in the UK.
A wine cellar? You know, Collinwood really ought to have a wine cellar.
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Joeytrom-- p. 76
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There are so many mansions in England that are used for filming. I for one also care that its not done via CGI. I envision a dark mansion whose extensive gardens have seen better days.
Ooo, that sounds intriguing. [easter_wink]
Tudor Gothic could be an interesting style to go in for Collinwood, and two different examples that I came across would be these:
Muirhouse Mansion, which, with its turrets, gables and chimneys, is sort of a cross between Lyndhurst and Greystone:
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Muirhouse1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Muirhouse2.jpg)
And at night:
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Muirhouse Night.jpg)
And Knebworth House:
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Knebworth1.jpg)
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Knebworth3.jpg)
And the opposite side, featuring the tower:
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Knebworth2.jpg)
And with Knebworth House there's the added bonus of:
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Knebworthgargoyls.jpg)
A fence/gate with spooky gargoyles.
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Knebworthcemetery.jpg)
Its own cemetery on the grounds.
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Knebworthmaus.jpg)
And its own mausoleum, complete with spooky tree.
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I could go for Muirhouse. It resembles Lyndhurst.
As for the other option, I'd have to decline. It looks way, way, way too European to be Collinwood. It looks like a British castle (which, I guess, it is [easter_cheesy]). Muirhouse is pushing it, but because it resembles Gothic Revival houses, I can dig.
If they do go CGI, they might as well make it the Carey Mansion; otherwise, why bother? If they go with a real house, something that looks more American would be best.
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Because they'll be using a Britsh mansion if they go with a real house, I was thinking more along the lines of the same sort of backstory for Collinwood that was used for the '91 Series - that Collinwood was originally built in England and then disassembled and moved to America. And Tudor Gothic (which both Muirhouse and Knebworth House are examples) would be a perfect style for that sort of backstory. And even though the movies used a Gothic Revival house, it was supposed to be more of an original Gothic period house, having originally been built in the 1600s and then added to through the years. They fudged on the actual Gothic Revival period because it spanned 1840 to 1880, which would have been too late a period for the movies' Collinwood to have been originally built.
Of course, we have no idea what Collinwood's backstory will be in the Depp/DS film. For all we know it wasn't built until 1950 and it'll be some sort of glass and steel monstrosity (heaven forbid!! [easter_shocked]).
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Thank you Midnite!
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I actually have grown quite fond of Muirhouse, but Knebworth doesn't do a thing for me - and probably never will. The grounds are nice. The building, however, lacks a certain "American" character that the previous houses of Dark Shadows seemed to have. It's way too British to ever be in America imo, even if it were re-built, which I am hoping it won't be. I'd like Collinwood to be American-made because it just lends itself so well to the 18th century Collins family attitudes (OS). Collinsport has always been an anomaly. For all we know, they could have started the Gothic Revival early. Fudging a few decades to get an awesome looking house isn't a big problem to me. Drastically re-envisioning Collinwood would be... No steel structures, por favor!
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The problem with looking for a house in Great Britain with American character is that it would probably fall into two styles: Georgian or Federal (which was known as Adam in GB) - and frankly, the exteriors of both styles are boring and nothing most of us would associate with a house such as Collinwood. The interiors do have a great deal of character, but neither would be Gothic - and the one thing we do know about Collinwood in the Depp/DS film is that it has "a huge Gothic entrance hall" because such a set has been built at Pinewood studios. So, one needs to find architectural styles in Great Britain whose interiors would feature such an entrance hall. Tudor Gothic houses would, and perhaps a couple other styles. But the thing is most if not all are going to look like English castles, or at least English manor houses like:
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Halsway.jpg)
Halsway Manor
or
(http://www.dsboards.com/Clw_GB/Levens.jpg)
Levens Hall
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Changing the subject entirely, I just checked IMDb before planning to shut off my computer and go to bed, and it's looking like the Depp/DS film could certainly be on track to be shot in 3D because a head of 3D services has been added to the Visual Effects Dept. of the film.
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Oooh, count me as somebody who LOVES the look and possibilities of Knebworth House! The cross that's visible on the wall in the second picture shown by MB adds an interesting twist. Plus I love the possibilities of using the grounds. Truth be told, though, they could use the grounds of the Knebworth House and an exterior from a house 500 miles away. Whenever I'm sufficiently familiar with the locations used for filming a movie or TV show, I get distracted by breaches in geography or logic. There's a TV show that's airing right now called Body of Proof that's currently killing me by screwing up Philadelphia geography, and I had to suspend disbelief in 24 when Jack Bauer could drive from downtown LA to Ontario in 20 minutes.
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To me, Knebworth still looks like a strange cross between the Tower of London and Buckingham palace. But, that's me... [easter_cheesy]
Halsway Manor on the other hand would do just fine. They could add a CGI tower, and we'd be set. (Yeah, I'm okay with CGI enhancements, but not whole buildings.)
Another possibility is that they could make a CGI house and just use close, exterior shots of some building in Britain for "outside Collinwood" fare. Not the best scenario, but a possibility.
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There's only one real Collinwood and it's the Carey Mansion, anything else is a bad fake and so far as I know they're not using it so I really don't care if the new fake is cgi or a matt painting or a still photo.
I prefer Greystone. That's Collinwood to me. Viva la 91 series!!
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MB thanks for the breath taking photos. With and without the added special effects the Muirhousehouse could absolutely work as Collinwood. Amazing actually.
The young Barnabas speaks when he may start filming and hints when his character first appears in the story so I guess this is a spoiler alert.
http://www.movieline.com/2011/04/thomas-mcdonell-on-prom-dark-shadows-and-his-chance-start-in-acting.php
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The young Barnabas speaks
Very interesting article - learned a lot about McDonell. Thanks for posting the link, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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This is just weird. I wonder if he's referring to the story or just the shoot. Either way, it's an interesting predicament. We could begin in the past and move forward or we could begin in the present and move to the past at the end (a la Charlie and the Choc.)... Hmmm...
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It seemed to me as if he was speaking about the shoot. They're going to shoot everything else before they shoot any of his part.
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Seemed that way to me too, but he still said "the beginning," which makes me wonder about it. Probably over-speculation and analysis. It would be interesting if it were actually the beginning to something and not just a flashback. But, I'm sure he probably meant flashback. Like I said, over-speculation. But, it's fun, right? [ghost_cheesy]
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The young Barnabas sequence doesn't have to be a flashback - it could be the actual beginning of the movie. That's probably not the way many of us have been thinking it - but it's certainly possible. The script could depict whatever it is that they want the audience to know happened in Barnabas' young life, and then from there the story jumps forward 200 years or whatever to the events that lead to Barnabas' release from his coffin as a vampire, and from there the audience is taken on the journey of learning how Barnabas' life went from whatever it was when he was young to him becoming cursed as a vampire. Could be intriguing if that's how it will be...
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Depp has confirmed that he will do a cameo in the movie version of 21 Jump Street. No idea when that is, but if it's just a cameo, presumably it won't interfere with other obligations.
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The young Barnabas actor says filming has started already which contradicts a Variety article that just came out indicating filming won't begin until after JD does his promotion touring for Pirates 4 as previously reported here.
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/04/27/mcdonell-plays-prom-bad-boy
The young actor also describes an event that happens to him in the film.
http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118036029
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Variety doesn't really contradict McDonell because all they say is that Depp won't begin shooting until after promoting Pirates. And as I said the other day, just because Depp wouldn't start shooting until after May 20th, that didn't mean the film couldn't begin production before then without him. [ghost_wink] In fact, if it really has begun production (and it isn't that McDonell is simply mistaken) that could explain why IMDb still says production begins in April and not May. But who knows? So much of what's happening has such a tight lid on it.
And as for McDonell, I don't think he's necessarily describing something that happens to him while he's playing Barnabas. It seems like he's saying he plays Barn prebatbite but afterward Barn (presumably then played by Depp) gets bitten, becomes a vampire, and gets locked away. Considering that vamps don't age, I can't imagine how McDonell could go into the coffin as a vampire and then have a 20-something years older Depp come out. But we shall see...
One thing I do think comes across is that McDonell, like a lot of people his age, plays fast and loose with time. In a previous interview he said he's going to shoot for a week or so - in this one it's a couple of days. And in that same previous interview he says it'll be a little while before he's going to shoot (though it will be at the end of the shoot) - yet in this one he's not shooting until the end of summer. And actually that makes much more sense because the casting call that I linked to a while back said shooting would last through August.
But anyway, as always, thanks for posting the links, jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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I'm late in catching up on my e-mail (so what else is new) so I just came across a Google alert about an article about the Depp/DS film on bx.businessweek.com. However, when I try to access the article via the alert all I get is a page telling me that "something went wrong. And when I tried to search their site for the article, I was told no such article exists. But it did exist at some point as the Google alert reads:
"Dark Shadows Movie (2012), Movie Poster, Trailer - Business Exchange
Dark Shadows movie will be a fascinating cinematic experience for audience to look forward with wide eyed awe as this will be packed with horror thriller.
bx.businessweek.com/.../17518561147843506648-6090b9ba..."
Did anyone happen to catch this article before it mysteriously disappeared?
Also, I'm not sure exactly why (but any discussion that keeps the film in the public eye is good) but there's an entire topic devoted to the Depp/DS film on the message board for ABC's talk show The View: The View | Dark Shadows movie starts production May 2011 (http://theview.abc.go.com/forum/dark-shadows-movie-starts-production-may-2011)
And finally, some articles that are actually where they're supposed to be:
Another article about Eva Green:
Actress Eva Green is no longer falling through the 'Cracks' (http://www.pottsmerc.com/articles/2011/04/24/entertainment/srv0000011456551.txt?viewmode=default)
(Nothing new about DS. Angelique's is a "meaty role" - she has "a love/hate relationship" with Barnabas - she's "madly in love him" - he's "very attracted to her, too, but hates her" - "it's very funny, very complicated." But the article is worth a read because there are some very interesting things about Green herself.)
And one about Thomas McDonell:
Thomas McDonell: King of "Prom" (http://www.teenhollywood.com/2011/04/25/thomas-mcdonell-kind-of-prom)
(Apparently he hopes his resemblance to Depp doesn't freak Depp out.)
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Not that the Daily Star is the most reliable source of information
And speaking of the Daily Star, they're reporting that Depp is already filming DS:
JOHNNY DEPP'S 700 IN TIPS (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/goss/view/188315/Johnny-Depp-s-700-in-tips/)
Are they rehearsing? Are they shooting? Who knows what they're doing?! [ghost_wink]
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This is the link, and it looks "off" to me...
http://bx.businessweek.com/movies/view?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.onlinemovieshut.com%2Fonline-movies%2Fdark-shadows-movie-2012
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Very, very strange. No wonder I couldn't find it on the bx.businessweek.com Web site because it's on onlinemovieshut.com. But even that may not be where it originated because the article certainly seems as if it was translated into English using some browser's translation feature. And it's even stranger that Business Week would feature something like that. :-\ But at the same time it's definitely good to know what the article was. Thanks for tracking it down, Cousin_Barnabas. [ghost_smiley]
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Hmm - Entertainment Weekly's review of Prom is the first I've seen, and I think it's safe to say critic Owen Gleiberman likes Thomas McDonell:
"Will Miss Perfect fall for the Leader of the Pack? It helps that he's played by Thomas McDonell, who's not only a dead ringer for Johnny Depp but also has a comparable charisma. He's a rare case of true prom royalty: the natural-born kind."
Maybe we should be disappointed that McDonell won't have a very big part in the Depp/DS film...
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i saw PROM on a sneak preview wed night and agree with the review. he looks and acts just like depp.
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I see that Helena Bonham Carter's name has been added back on IMDb - but once again she's listed as "rumored." However, according to this interview with Thomas McDonell:
Next Factor: 'Prom' Star Thomas McDonell (http://www.nextmovie.com/blog/next-factor-thomas-mcdonell/)
he's looking forward to working with Bonham Carter, so one would think that takes things out of the realm of rumor, no? [ghost_wink]
Apparently he also has a thing for Michelle Pfeiffer.
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I don't think that filming has started yet, or at least Johnny is not filming yet. There have been reports that Johnny is/has been in London but they were all suspect- and had some contradictions with each other. Plus, there was an unrelated rumor claiming that he was in New Orleans earlier in the week, filming his cameo for the 21 Jump Street movie.
Today, though, there is photo evidence that Johnny is in Chicago. He apparently taped an interview with Oprah and then visited a music store where he bought a guitar. Here is the report with a photo:
Sighting: Johnny Depp at Chicago Music Exchange store (http://leisureblogs.chicagotribune.com/about-last-night/2011/04/sighting-johnny-depp-at-chicago-music-exchange.html#tp)
(We also heard today that he will be taping an interview with Larry King- don't know where or when that'll happen, though).
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There have been reports that Johnny is/has been in London but they were all suspect- and had some contradictions with each other.
I loved how one said he was staying in a five star hotel while another insisted Depp didn't want to stay in the hotel and was staying in a mansion with a wine cellar. Gotta love the English tabloids. [ghost_wink] God only knows what sorts of stories we'll be getting once Depp really does begin shooting? [ghost_rolleyes]
Plus, there was an unrelated rumor claiming that he was in New Orleans earlier in the week, filming his cameo for the 21 Jump Street movie.
I saw a couple of those reports, too. Amazing how he can be in two places at once. [ghost_grin]
Today, though, there is photo evidence that Johnny is in Chicago. He apparently taped an interview with Oprah
Interesting. Though I suppose it'll be more of a promotional appearance for Pirates with little to no news about DS. But one can always hope...
We also heard today that he will be taping an interview with Larry King- don't know where or when that'll happen, though
I suppose one might also expect him to make his usual promotional appearance on Letterman at some point in May...
And thanks for all the info. [ghost_smiley]
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Yes, Oprah (and Larry King) are probably part of Pirates promos, and there are also scheduled press junkets next week, and several premieres the week after that. You might be able to work filming around one or two things, but not all these events.
Photo from Oprah (which will air May 5)- note the shave and a haircut:
OPRAH PRESENTS THE LAST-EVER HARPO HOOKUPS (http://www.oprah.com/showinfo/Oprah-Presents-the-Last-Ever-Harpo-Hookups)
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I just noticed that the Depp/DS film has hit an all-time new high of 182 on IMDb's MOVIEmeter.
I've noticed that since reaching that high the Depp/DS film has currently fallen back down to 942 - this despite all the publicity Thomas McDonell has been getting recently. Though, if I correctly read the way MOVIEmeter works, the film may jump up in the next ranking because the effects of publicity seem to be a week behind when the actual publicity takes place - which, I suppose, only makes sense. We shall see...
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It's probably also worth noting that IMDb lists the cast members based on their personal STARmeter. Some may be shocked at how high Chole Moretz ranking really is (which is no doubt why her casting has caused the film itself to jump so high).
Here are their rankings (and even though HBC isn't currently listed on IMDb, I'm including her as well):
Johnny Depp ... Barnabas Collins 10
Chloe Moretz ... Carolyn Stoddard 12
Eva Green ... Angelique Bouchard 88
Helena Bonham Carter ... Dr. Julia Hoffman 127
Michael Sheen 173
Michelle Pfeiffer ... Elizabeth Collins Stoddard 328
Jackie Earle Haley ... Willie Loomis 542
Thomas McDonell ... Young Barnabas Collins 1,298
Bella Heathcote ... Victoria Winters 2,275
Gulliver McGrath ... David Collins 12,591
- the actors have been playing a bit of musical rankings themselves. They currently place:
Johnny Depp ... Barnabas Collins 7
Helena Bonham Carter ... Dr. Julia Hoffman (rumored) 78
Chloe Moretz ... Carolyn Stoddard 113
Michael Sheen ... Roger Collins 155
Eva Green ... Angelique Bouchard 206
Michelle Pfeiffer ... Elizabeth Collins Stoddard 477
Thomas McDonell ... Young Barnabas Collins 566
Jackie Earle Haley ... Willie Loomis 910
Bella Heathcote ... Victoria Winters 4,091
Gulliver McGrath ... David Collins 27,296
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Gabriel Freilich ... Hippie 3 (uncredited) 59,774
Depp, Bonham Carter, Sheen, McDonell, and Freilich (who was down at 119,426 before his casting) have all risen (McDonell quite significantly), while Moretz, Green, Pfeiffer, Haley, Heathcote, and McGrath have fallen.
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Prom's a box office bomb, BTW.
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As far as the Depp/DS film goes, it doesn't really matter how Prom does - all that might matter to us is what sort of reviews Thomas McDonell is getting - and he's garnering great reviews. That being said, though, I don't know if one can say Prom is a bomb simply based on one day's estimates. But even if it doesn't reach its predicted $8 million take for the weekend, it's not like it won't easily make its money back because it only cost $10 million to make. I suspect Disney will come away with a nice profit - especially once the DVD is released...
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not surprised to hear that PROM is bombing. McDonnell was great but the story wasn't.
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This reviewer seems to think Thomas McDonell is a cross between Keanu Reeves and Depp: Prom Movie Review (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/movies/reviews/article_1636160.php/Prom-%E2%80%93-Movie-Review). I haven't seen enough of him to comment. But the review also references DS and says there's not one poor performance in Prom.
And while we're on the subject of McDonell, with regard to the Depp/DS film, once again he's said "Its filming right now": Thomas McDonell Interview - JustJared.com Exclusive (http://justjared.buzznet.com/2011/04/29/thomas-mcdonell-interview/). Who knows? Either he has no idea what he's talking about or they really are filming - something. But who the hell knows what? I wouldn't consider things like the camera tests like the ones that fabric place said were upcoming (before they had to stop supplying info because of the confidentiality agreement they'd signed) to be filming. Filming is actually something that's intended to be in the film...
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with the inclusion of a young barnabas i wonder if the intention here is to have Depp "launch" a DS franchise and then movie into a 'twilight" type series with Mcdonell in the lead as a teen heartthrob.
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I just saw on collinwood.net's DS News Page (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/05/movie-news-digest.html) that Bella Heathcote tweeted on April 25th that she had two weeks left before going to London, which I suppose would put her in London on May 9th, so apparently she's not filming yet. She also tweeted on the 26th: "I am counting down my days till London very excited Tim Burton again some one please pinch me".
Also, checking out her other tweets I discovered that the dark haired Victoria purists should be happy because it looks like Bella has dark hair again. Check out this photo she posted on the 26th: Liam and Chris Hemsworth (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=206673006022798&set=a.206673002689465.49064.193185294038236&type=1&theater). All across fandom I can hear a sigh of relief that Victoria won't be blonde again. [wink2] She might be a waitress instead of a governess - but she won't be blonde. [lghy]
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has it been confirmed that vicki will be a waitress or are we still going on the old "variety" postings?
with david on board and a much younger carolyn i would have thought they'd need a governess up at collinwood.
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Beyond the facts that Depp is starring as Barnabas, Burton is directing, Seth Grahame-Smith and John August wrote the script, the film will be shot at Pinewood Studios, and the names of some of the key behind the scenes personnel, practically nothing has been confirmed. The only other things that we know for sure are that Bella Heathcote, Eva Green, Chloe Moretz, Jackie Earle Haley, and Thomas McDonell will be appearing in the film - but only because they've said as much in interviews and/or tweets. None of the other actors have said anything for certain and all the reports simply said they were "in talks" to appear. They probably are going to be in the film, but nothing has been said for certain. And when it comes to the plot of the film it's mostly all rumor. I tend to trust Variety's and the Hollywood Reporter's actual reports (as opposed to their blogs) more than any of the other Web sites that have reported on the film, so we can possibly believe that Elizabeth hasn't left Collinwood for 10 years and that Victoria is a waitress - but who knows? Some day, hopefully, we will know. But who the hell knows when that day will be? And as I keep saying, I'm certain that Burton is thrilled to death that we know so little for sure. Otherwise he wouldn't have people signing confidentiality agreements...
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Oops - I forgot to add that Thomas McDonell said that he's looking forward to meeting Helena Bonham Carter and Michelle Pfeiffer, so that should mean that they're also in the film. But then he's also said that the film is already shooting even though there's been no real indication that it is. In fact, everything has been saying not until May. So once again, who knows?
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In another blow to Thomas McDonell's credibility on the film is already shooting front, I see where deadline.com is reporting today that Graham King Films "is about to start production on the Tim Burton-directed Johnny Depp-starrer Dark Shadows": GK Films Hires Focus Exec Kahli Small (http://www.deadline.com/2011/05/gk-films-hires-focus-exec-kahli-small/)
However, on the IMDb MOVIEmeter front, McDonell's recent publicity did help the Depp/DS film to rise to 804.
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Myentertainmentworld.com website reported today that the shooting date is now May 15. We shall see.
DARK SHADOWS - May 15, 2011 - UK; Details Are only Available By Subscription.. STORY: The film is about Barnabas Collins, a vampire who lives in an isolated manor house in the sleepy seaboard town of Collinsport, Maine. (Posted: March 16, 2010. Revised: May 2, 2011)
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Myentertainmentworld.com website reported today that the shooting date is now May 15.
Given what Bella Heathcote tweeted, that would make sense. They're supposed to rehearse for a period before actual shooting begins, and with Bella arriving in London on the 9th that would give them about a week to rehearse. Though how Depp may fit into that type of a rehearsal schedule, who knows? I suppose he could pop in between commitments to promote Pirates...
Thanks for the update. jimbo. [ghost_smiley]
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I haven't been posting about the latest additions to the behind the scenes creative personnel on the film because it's gotten to the point where they're adding a lot of positions where many DS fans probably don't pay much attention to who handles them. However, I keep forgetting to mention that they've added some prosthetic technicians to the Make Up Department. And while that's not surprising because every horror movie seems to use prosthetics these days, it did get me to thinking - especially considering that Joel Harlow is the department head. Why is that possibly significant? Well, because he worked on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and as anyone who's even just seen photos from that TV show knows, the vamps in the BtVS universe looked very different from what we're used to in the DS universe. So, I'm wondering if instead of just fangs and/or red eyes, the vamp(s) in the Depp/DS film might not also have a look similar to what was done on BtVS? Not that the simple fact that Harlow worked on BtVS means that they will. But combining that fact with the Make Up Department's prosthetics personnel *could* be a *hint* that we *might* want to prepare ourselves for a very different type of vampire look from what we're used to seeing...
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So not a fan of the Buffy vamp look here. It always made me think of that old Hammer film "the Reptile," or as if the vampires were part Klingon. sigh.
G.
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Well, we don't know that it will be like BtVS. I'm just throwing out that a similar look is a possibility given Joel Harlow's background. But even if the vampire look for the Depp/DS film is different from BtVS (and I'm sure it would never be exactly the same as BtVS, anyway), the potential for it to be different from what we're used to is certainly there, so we should probably prepare for that real possibility.
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Don't you think a make-up designer can come up with more than one design? Especially for entirely different projects?
The Buffy vampire design, btw, was specifically so it wouldn't seem as if the heroine was going around murdering "people," hence the overtly demonic 'game face.' Such considerations simply don't apply to Dark Shadows.
Likewise, the original series made do with pale makeup and fangs, nothing else. It wasn't until the '91 revival that we got golden eyes (very a la Forever Knight btw) whereas for the '04 pilot Barnabas had eyes that went very dark (not unlike The Vampire Diaries) and with extended 'double fangs' (i.e. two on each side, rather like the fang design for Blood Ties).
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Don't you think a make-up designer can come up with more than one design? Especially for entirely different projects?
Oh, definitely - which is why I said whatever they come up with would never be exactly the same as BtVS. [ghost_wink]
The Buffy vampire design, btw, was specifically so it wouldn't seem as if the heroine was going around murdering "people," hence the overtly demonic 'game face.'
True - which is also why I said that the simple fact that Harlow worked on BtVS does not mean the Depp/DS film's vamps will have a similar look. [ghost_smiley]
Likewise, the original series made do with pale makeup and fangs, nothing else. It wasn't until the '91 revival that we got golden eyes (very a la Forever Knight btw) whereas for the '04 pilot Barnabas had eyes that went very dark (not unlike The Vampire Diaries) and with extended 'double fangs' (i.e. two on each side, rather like the fang design for Blood Ties).
Also true. [ghost_smiley] And you'll note that I've never said the vampire look for the Depp/DS film will be different from what we're used to in the DS universe - only that it "could" and "might" be. [ghost_wink] Though even beyond Harlow's background there are two other things that lead me to that possibility: films have bigger budgets, and they tend to want to be different. When you have the resources to go in different directions than what's been done before, you tend to explore the possibilities. But who knows? They could do make up tests of different directions with prosthetics, decide that what they've tried looks hideous, and then decide that hewing closer to what's gone before in the DS universe is a better choice. But maybe not. The possibility also exists that if they experiment with prosthetics in ways that we're not used to seeing, they might like what they come up with. And that's all I'm saying - that there is a possibility for the vampire look in the Depp/DS film to be different. And because that possibility exists, it might be wise to prepare for the possibility should it become a reality. [ghost_smiley] We've already been warned that many things will be different, so the make up could be one of those things...
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If the movie is so different that I need to prepare myself for it, maybe I should just stay home at least until I know more.
However they decide to make the vampires look, DS is a love story. I don't think a young twenty something girl is going to have a hard time leaving someone that looks like a demon. And if it isn't about that then someone needs to tell me why it's called "Dark Shadows" and not something different.
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I never meant to imply that people should gird themselves for the possibility of a different vampire look in the Depp/DS film - only that they shouldn't be surprised if there is a different look. [ghost_smiley] And I also never meant to imply that it would be a look that would always be on display. Like in other vampire stories, it would only manifest itself when the vampire is about to attack and/or feeling the lust for blood - the same situations where Barnabas' eyes would change and his fangs would appear in the '91 series. [ghost_wink]
Also, in the '91 Series Josette had no problem accepting Barnabas when he was in full-on vampire mode. In fact, she took his face in her hands and made Barnabas look directly at her to show that nothing had changed for her and she wasn't afraid. The very same sort of situation could take place in the Depp/DS film. After all, it's a classic beauty and the beast type of moment. Altering the vampire make up need not necessarily affect the love story one iota.
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Another video interview with Thomas McDonell: Prom's Thomas McDonell on Nabbing a Disney Role and Getting Used to Screaming Fans (http://www.popsugar.com/Proms-Thomas-McDonell-Talks-Dark-Shadows-Johnny-Depp-16201332). And not just screaming girls, but apparently also screaming old men. Hmm...
At least when he discusses DS this time around, he doesn't say it's already shooting. Maybe someone clued him in. [ghost_wink]
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I see where Chloe Moretz has earned three 2011 MTV Movie Awards nominations. One for Best Breakout Star for her appearance in Kick-Ass. Another for Biggest Badass Star (where she's competing against Joseph Gordon-Levitt). And another for Best Fight (for her fight scene with Mark Strong in Kick-Ass)(and she's also competing against Joseph Gordon-Levitt in this category as well).
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For what it's worth, Pirates promotion will be in full force beginning today with press junkets the next couple of days, followed by the premiere at Disneyland on the 7th, and then several premieres to including Moscow, London, Cannes and Tokyo. I believe Johnny has been confirmed to appear in London and Cannes (and Disneyland, of course); not sure about the others. So, first, hopefully he will be mentioning DS in interviews, and second, I'm thinking that filming will probably be starting around the week after next, which fits in with Bella's remarks.
Johnny's appearance on Oprah airs tomorrow; I still don't know when the Larry King segment will air, and I haven't heard about other talk shows yet.
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Thanks for keeping us up-to-date, madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
Even though I'm not expecting much if any discussion about DS, I've already programed Oprah to record tomorrow...
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Michael Sheen says that he is not in the DS movie. Too bad. As others have pointed out here nothing is confirmed until it really is.
http://moviesblog.mtv.com/2011/05/04/dark-shadows-michael-sheen-johnny-depp/
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Certainly sad news because I was definitely looking forward to Michael Sheen playing Roger. Oh well... Though Sheen certainly looks like he just stepped out of the '70s. Could he be...lying? Between the confidentiality agreements and everything else that's being done to keep a lid on things, I'm almost willing to believe Sheen could be lying for some reason - the same reason that has prevented anything beyond "he's in talks" from being reported up to this point. But who knows? And damn you, Tim Burton, for making us so paranoid that we're even willing to entertain seriously that someone could be lying because of your confidentiality agreements. [ghost_grin]
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He did look a bit uncomfortable like he was thinking to himself (does Tim want me to confirm I'm in the movie). Anything is possible. This writer says don't trust that imdb DS website page. I wish it was more accurate.
http://www.iamrogue.com/news/movie-news/item/3571-michael-sheen-is-definitely-not-in-tim-burtons-dark-shadows.html
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This writer says don't trust that imdb DS website page.
That writer might want to keep the "people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones" saying in mind. I mean, "Robert Collins"?! [ghost_rolleyes] [ghost_cheesy]
But, sadly, he is dead on that not everything on the IMDb can be believed...
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Well, I hope that Roger won't look like Sheen does in the interview! [ghost_cheesy] Let's hope that Roger is still the stuffy old snob we know him to be. He's the FUNNIEST part of DS - and, as funny as this film is supposed to be, I would hope they would keep him as is. [ghost_wink]
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Are you implying that someone can't be stuffy with curly hair and a beard. Trust me, people can. [ghost_wink] Though I wouldn't necessarily say that Roger is stuffy because that tends to imply dullness, staleness, and humorlessness - and Roger is rarely dull or stale and, as you rightly point out, he has a biting sense of humor with which he tends to skewer almost everyone and everything around him. [ghost_grin]
Maybe the term we're looking for is conservative. But sometimes conservativeness is more a state of mind than it is an appearance as I'm often surprised that people who look like they wouldn't have a conservative thought in their heads turn out to be ultraconservative. [ghost_huh] So even if Roger were to look like Sheen does in the interview, underneath it all Roger could still be very similar to the Roger we know and love. [ghost_wink]
But be that as it may, I have to confess that I'm not going to fully believe that Sheen isn't in the Depp/DS film until we received confirmation that someone else has been cast in the role of Roger. Although, nowhere was it actually said with certainty that Sheen would play Roger. It was all speculation on the parts of the sites that reported Sheen's interest in reading the script. What is interesting, though, is that as recently as April 4th, when Sheen appeared on BBC Radio 2's Drivetime show, he supposedly indicated (as per collinwood.net's DS News blog) that he would be appearing in the film. Go figure...
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The latest rumor on the Net is that Dame Edna Everage is being tapped to play Roger Collins. The ascots will be WAY beyond Neon and the acid retorts only slightly less toxic than the levels of vodka in Roger's martinis.
And you think I'm joking ... hahahaha. Just remember, I was right about HBC playing Julia...
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I don't know about Dame Edna (through the picture you paint is hysterically funny [ghost_grin]), but her alter-ego Barry Humphries could be interesting. Though they'd have to make Roger older than Elizabeth. [ghost_wink]
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I see that IMDB has changed the status of the Depp/DS film from "Pre-production" to "Filming". Of course, that contradicts the listing on myentertainmentworld.com that says production won't begin until the 15th. I would say that the info on myentertainmentworld.com tends to be more trustworthy because it has proved more trustworthy in the past. But, as per usual, who knows? [ghost_undecided]
I also see that IMDb has updated the Locations list - but only to add Pinewood Studios to Bourne Woods.
On the other hand, IMDb has not removed Michael Sheen's name from the cast...
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Although, nowhere was it actually said with certainty that Sheen would play Roger. It was all speculation on the parts of the sites that reported Sheen's interest in reading the script. What is interesting, though, is that as recently as April 4th, when Sheen appeared on BBC Radio 2's Drivetime show, he supposedly indicated (as per collinwood.net's DS News blog) that he would be appearing in the film. Go figure...
I listened to that Drivetime interview from BBC Radio 2 back when it was available, and no offense to Stuart because he was merely quoting another source, but that source got it wrong-- what Sheen actually said was, "I am maybe doing a film with Tim Burton this summer." I clearly heard the word "maybe" and so I didn't mention it.
I've really been hoping he'd be in the movie!
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I listened to that Drivetime interview from BBC Radio 2 back when it was available, and no offense to Stuart because he was merely quoting another source, but that source got it wrong-- what Sheen actually said was, "I am maybe doing a film with Tim Burton this summer." I clearly heard the word "maybe" and so I didn't mention it.
I've really been hoping he'd be in the movie!
Thanks for the clarification, Midnite I've corrected that on the blog. Pity he's not going to be in the film. I think he'd have been great casting. My other choice for Roger would be John Slattery from Mad Men, though perhaps he'd look a little old opposite Michelle P.
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My other choice for Roger would be John Slattery from Mad Men, though perhaps he'd look a little old opposite Michelle P.
MP is actually older than John..she was born in '58 and he in '62. (Shocking right?!) Just goes to show how much stock we put in hair color.
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Depp has a cover story in the new issue of Entertainment Weekly. Sadly, there's no mention of DS in the print issue. However, there is supposed to be an additional Web site only section which does include Depp's thoughts on DS: ew.com/johnnydepp - but it doesn't seem to be working at the moment. [ghost_sad] [ghost_rolleyes]
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I've really been hoping he'd be in the movie!
As have I. And it really does seem unlikely he will be in it. But what I find fascinating is how Sheen has said he can't really talk about why he won't be doing it. Why? Does Burton have a confidentiality agreements that even covers not disclosing why an actor won't be doing the film? I can certainly see why Sheen can't discuss the film itself because he probably did have to sign a confidentiality agreement just to read the script. That's often standard practice. But he can't even say something like "we couldn't strike a deal" or "in the end it just wasn't the right part for me" or "I wasn't right for the part" or whatever? Odd... But I suppose that whenever that elusive time arrives when the (cue the echo chamber) Edict of Secrecy (shut down the echo chamber) is lifted, we might find out...
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Hmm...ew.com fixed the link, but what comes up isn't exactly as advertised. The issue says:
"MORE ON EW.COM: For more from Johnny Depp, including his thoughts on Dark Shadows and his upcoming 21 Jump Street cameo, go to ew.com/johnnydepp"
However, what actually comes up is an article that's virtually exclusively about Depp's cameo and only mentions DS in passing - and that passing isn't even Depp's own thought. Very odd. Not to mention very disappointing from a DS perspective...
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Also, in the '91 Series Josette had no problem accepting Barnabas when he was in full-on vampire mode. In fact, she took his face in her hands and made Barnabas look directly at her to show that nothing had changed for her and she wasn't afraid. The very same sort of situation could take place in the Depp/DS film. After all, it's a classic beauty and the beast type of moment. Altering the vampire make up need not necessarily affect the love story one iota.
A similar moment happened in the second season of Buffy between the title character and Angel while in full 'game face.' He tried to hide himself, but she insisted upon looking at him. In True Blood a similar something happened between Bill and Sookie, because he felt deeply ashamed of his fangs.
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Not to mention very disappointing from a DS perspective...
On a much more engaging and rewarding front, collinwood.net has posted some interesting highlights on its DS News Page from Eva Green's European Harper's Bazaar cover story: Eva Green in Harper's Bazaar (http://darkshadowsnews.blogspot.com/2011/05/eva-green-in-harpers-bazaar.html). Among other things, she mentions how the special effects team has done a plaster body cast of her. The mind boggles at the possibilities that suggests! [ghost_wink]
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MB and all, here is an Entertainment Weekly bit that does have more about DS.
Johnny Depp on 'Dark Shadows': Can a vampire get corn stuck in his fangs? (http://insidemovies.ew.com/2011/05/07/johnny-depp-dark-shadows/)
I'm a little concerned about the "corny" thing, but time will tell [ghost_wink]
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[ghost_rolleyes]
IMDB now lists Gabriel Freilich as playing "hippie #3" in Depp Shadows.
Now that the trolls are out and about, I'm going to cast myself as Burke Devlin.
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MB and all, here is an Entertainment Weekly bit that does have more about DS.
Well, OK - something like that article makes more sense. Thanks for the link. [ghost_smiley]
Considering EW promises Depp's thoughts on both, It would be nice if both the 21 Jump Street piece and that DS piece came up with the URL EW provides in its issue - but it's still only the one on 21 Jump Street. [ghost_rolleyes] But hopefully they'll eventually change that...
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IMDB now lists Gabriel Freilich as playing "hippie #3" in Depp Shadows.
Another actor has been added at the imdb website (Gabriel Freilich).
One has to be really quick to outscoop jimbo on these things.
But speaking of IMDb, I see that's there's been quite a bit of shuffling with the actors' STARMeters. Here's their previous standings last week:
Johnny Depp ... Barnabas Collins 7
Helena Bonham Carter ... Dr. Julia Hoffman (rumored) 78
Chloe Moretz ... Carolyn Stoddard 113
Michael Sheen ... Roger Collins 155
Eva Green ... Angelique Bouchard 206
Michelle Pfeiffer ... Elizabeth Collins Stoddard 477
Thomas McDonell ... Young Barnabas Collins 566
Jackie Earle Haley ... Willie Loomis 910
Bella Heathcote ... Victoria Winters 4,091
Gulliver McGrath ... David Collins 27,296
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Gabriel Freilich ... Hippie 3 (uncredited) 59,774
Now they're:
Johnny Depp ... Barnabas Collins 6
Helena Bonham Carter ... Dr. Julia Hoffman (rumored) 69
Chloe Moretz ... Carolyn Stoddard 103
Michael Sheen ... Roger Collins 133
Michelle Pfeiffer ... Elizabeth Collins Stoddard 135
Eva Green ... Angelique Bouchard 260
Thomas McDonell ... Young Barnabas Collins 315
Jackie Earle Haley ... Willie Loomis 644
Bella Heathcote ... Victoria Winters 4,398
Gulliver McGrath ... David Collins 27,260
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Gabriel Freilich ... Hippie 3 (uncredited) 28,961
Depp, Bonham Carter, Moretz, Sheen (probably not in the film, but...), Pfeiffer, McDonell, Haley, McGrath, and even Freilich have all risen, with only Heathcote and Green slipping down.
Of course, Depp's climb is attributed to all the publicity surrounding Pirates, Moretz to her recent MTV Movie Award nominations, Sheen to the ratcheting up of Breaking Dawn Part 1's publicity, and McDonell to the release of and the publicity surrounding Prom. Interestingly, though, IMDb isn't citing any reasons for Haley, McGrath or Freilich climbing. But even more interesting is that IMDb is citing McDonell's mentioning of them in a few interviews as the reason Bonham Carter and Pfeiffer have climbed. I suppose one can never discount what may happen when a hot young star talks about you - and particularly when he talks about you the way he's talked about Pfeiffer. [ghost_cheesy]
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Among other things, she mentions how the special effects team has done a plaster body cast of her. The mind boggles at the possibilities that suggests!
After seeing Eva Green in The Dreamers recently - you better believe the mind boggles at the suggested possibilities MB....
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I would love to see someone dissect that EW article, because I am afraid to at the moment. "Bad acting," "corny," "Sliver of [Frid]," and "really bad acting." Please, my brain does not compute.
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I share Cousin Barnabas' apprehension on the remarks JD made in that article. I think his remarks on the surface are pathetic and disrespectful. Now we know why the script is so very funny to everyone who read it.
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I didn't really read anything disturbing in Johnny Depp's comments it sounds like an intent to give an 'out-there' performance. Frankly, that's no surprise, he's built his career on doing that. I'd expect him to do nothing less.
Reading the latest interview with Eva Green puts a lot of it into perspective. She's clearly a very committed, thoughtful actress, certainly not someone who signs up to things on a whim, and she's taking the character very seriously. I think people have to be realistic. This film is not going to be a carbon copy of the original Dark Shadows, but it's not going to be a Saturday Night Live skit either.
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What I don't wish to see is a Jack Sparrow like performance. DS was never intentionally made funny. I find disturbing that JD intentionally wants to make the Barnabas character beyond corny. I am concerned about that comment. On a more positive note I enjoyed reading your blog on what Eva Green had to say in the Harper's Bazzar interview.
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There's a reason that the word-choice was jarring. Because, in the last interview, Depp had nothing but praise for Frid. He said he would stay very close to Frid's interpretation and would "wax the poetic." ''Corny'' and ''bad acting'' don't jive with these previous comments. But, they do align very well with the "funny script" we've been hearing about. I'm not going to judge anything yet, as I still have faith in the film. But, the interview was a tad disappointing - especially coming from the star of the show. Maybe we're reading it wrong, but I - someone who has yet to be really disappointed by anything I've read about the film - do question this. Maybe it was a bad interview. Let's hope so.
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I don't think any of us want a "carbon copy" of the original Dark Shadows. I also don't think any of us want anything like a "Saturday Night Live skit". I do know that the more I read about this movie the more I wish it wasn't being made. If this turns out to be a very funny, corny comedy, I may never watch another Johnny Depp or Tim Burton movie.
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I didn't really read anything disturbing in Johnny Depp's comments it sounds like an intent to give an 'out-there' performance. Frankly, that's no surprise, he's built his career on doing that. I'd expect him to do nothing less.
Exactly. And Depp's comments struck me as very similar to a few of the things that Ben Cross had said back in '91 while promoting the Revival:
Cross: "The challenge is to find other facets to the vampire psychology that, perhaps, haven't been portrayed before - or at least not to the, ah, melodramatic or hammy depths I'm taking this particular character to."
Interviewer: "How hammy is that?"
Cross: "Well, it's very near, very near that abyss of tastelessness, you know."
Cross meant absolutely no disrespect with those remarks, nor were there ever the slightest hints in his performance that he was not taking the material or the show itself seriously. In fact, with few exceptions, Cross got some of the best reviews of his career for the Revival. And as anyone who's ever read many of the articles on the Revival will attest, it was DC who not only pushed Cross but all the actors to go to the edge with their performances. The same can be said to be true of DC and the directors of the original DS with regard to its actors. So, if Depp takes his performance to the edge, as he seems to be implying with his remarks in the latest EW piece, he'll simply be following in the tried and true DS tradition.
And yes, Depp did indeed say that his performance in the film will be close to what Frid had done. And I have every expectation that there is a way that Depp's most recent remarks are completely in keeping with his previous ones. We may not know how to reconcile them until we actually see the film. But as I've said before, each of these interviews is a part of the whole as to what the film is intended to be, and none should be taken out and examined separately from the others. They should always be interpreted in light of the whole. Seeming contradictions will surely reconcile themselves eventually...
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I was just over at IMDb and noticed that Gabriel Freilich and his uncredited Hippie 3 have disappeared from the cast list - yet Michael Sheen is still listed for Roger. IMDb is very strange...
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Cross got a little hammy now and then, but, yes, it always looked very serious. I hope that this is what we will see from Burton and Depp. Like I said, I'm not going to leap to any conclusions, but I was thrown by Depp's remarks. If he turns in a performance like Frid or Cross, we will be in good hands.
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No matter how one attempts to rationalize JD"s remarks in question, we are still left with the man's own words which I still find troubling. And of course there is that very funny script that is also "out there". We can only hope for the best.
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No matter how one attempts to rationalize JD"s remarks in question, we are still left with the man's own words which I still find troubling.
Though the point of my post is that some fans could have found the remarks I quoted from Ben Cross to be troubling as well - but in the end, they needn't have worried because Cross gave a performance that did justice to both the Barnabas character and DS itself - not to mention Cross gave a performance that was specific to DC's own wishes. And none of that is in any way a rationalization - it's all fact. [ghost_smiley]
And so far as Depp goes, he has said many encouraging things in other interviews, so I'm also saying that one shouldn't ever lose sight of that.
We can only hope for the best.
And I can't say that anything Depp has recently said makes me think we won't get it. [ghost_wink]
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Are you saying that based on Cross' remarks and how it turned out we should not be disturbed at all by Depp's recent comments? That is one leap of speculation that I am not prepared to make at this point. There is obviously a distinction between fact and speculation. Predicting how Depp may portray Barnabas based on Cross' remarks and his subsequent performance is highly speculative. I don't see the correlation just yet. I am focusing on JD's own words and to me they are troubling. I certainly hope you are right and Depp's performance will turn out to be brilliant. I just think we can't merely shrug off his comments like it never happened.
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I'm not actually trying to say that just because things worked out with Cross that means things will work out with Depp. Nor am I saying that Depp's recent remarks should be shrugged off. I'm merely saying that one set of remarks like the ones Depp made in the recent EW interview, or like the ones Cross made in that interview I quoted from, shouldn't be focused on to the exclusion of other remarks that have also been made on the subject. In the case of the Depp/DS film, all of Depp's remarks should be taken as a whole. And as I said in my original post today, I have every expectation that there is a way that Depp's most recent remarks are completely in keeping with his previous remarks that many of us had found to be very encouraging. And I suspect that in Depp's mind he probably wouldn't think that he's contradicted himself. To him, all the remarks he's made reflect his vision of what he plans to do. To those of us outside the film looking in, they may seem contradictive - but in the end, once we see what Depp does, they probably won't appear that way anymore...
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I was just over on Bella Heathcote's Twitter account looking to see if she'd tweeted anything about being in London, but nothing yet. However, I did notice that she's posted something on her from In Style Magazine (http://lockerz.com/s/98496264). I don't check out that magazine so I have no idea if it's from the current issue. But it has to be fairly recent because the copy mentions she's doing the Deppl/DS film, and she talks about how excited she is to work with Tim Burton. The photo, though, might be older because she's blonde and she wasn't in the photo she posted on April 26th.
(You'll need to download the image, add the jpg extension, and then magnify it to read it. Sharpening it wouldn't hurt, either. [ghost_wink])
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My reaction exactly: Quick News Tarzan, The Bitch Posse, Lay the Favorite, Footloose, Dark Shadows (http://www.moviehole.net/201140651-quick-news-tarzan-the-bitch-posse-lay-the-favorite-footloose-dark-shadows). [ghost_wink]
(Scroll down to bullet #19.)
And this article (which comes from England's Daily Mirror, so it might be wise to take it with a grain of salt), purports to explain how Depp often fleshes out his movie characters: Johnny Depp creates film characters in sauna (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1637987.php/Johnny-Depp-creates-film-characters-in-sauna). IF there's any truth to it, it makes one wonder if that's how he's working on Barnabas...
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I see where collinwood.net's DS News Page is reporting that make-up artist Chloe Muton-Philips (who, oddly, isn't even listed on IMDb as being a part of the film) tweeted about the Depp/DS film earlier today. First off she tweeted:
"Creating magic at Pinewood Studios on Dark Shadows"
Then she followed that up with:
"We start shooting in a week! Excited to be part of an awesome project"
That completely jibes with jimbo's post here last week that myentertainmentworld.com's listing indicates that production begins May 15th. So it's looking like we actually have a solid date for the start of the film! [thumb]
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A couple recent Chloe Moretz tweets:
56 mintes ago:
"On my way to the airportttt :) Bye Bye LA hellooo London :)"
27 minutes ago:
"Can't wait to start filming DarkShadows with TimBurton :) ahhh"
Also, we may be getting a bit of a departure with Carolyn's look because yesterday she tweeted:
"First full day with my short hair back :) yay"
But then, we've never had a 14-year-old Carolyn before, so everything about her will be new. [ghost_wink]
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carolyn stoddard without a glistening platinum mane...
that is a switch! [ghost_shocked]
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Maybe she'll be the girl of 101 falls. [ghost_smiley]
Changing the subject, I see over on IMDb that Michael Sheen is no more. And interestingly enough, the film itself climbs up a bit on MOVIEmeter to 793 based in part on reports that Sheen won't be in the film. (The other reasons being a bit more Thomas McDonell publicity and the start of a lot of Depp publicity.)
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Couple of very quick things--
re. the Quick News [ghost_shocked] [ghost_grin]
I think Johnny did mention once that he was in a sauna when he was dreaming up the Jack Sparrow character, because he was thinking of the guy getting a bit of heat stroke on a ship on the seas, hence the wobbly walk. I don't know if it's a general thing, though [ghost_wink] I think tabloids like that tend to take an offhanded comment from years ago and build a whole story on it.
I think Johnny is in Moscow tomorrow, then London on Thurs, then Cannes which I believe is on Sat. After that there is a Tokyo premiere, but I am pretty sure I read somewhere that Johnny will not be able to attend that one, so once again, this jibes perfectly with filming starting next week. At long last! [ghost_grin]
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Another tweet from Chloe Moretz:
51 minutes ago:
"So excited for DarkShadows just finished some wardrobe fittings hair and make up disscussions and most importantly meeting TimBurton ahh"
Either this girl doesn't need much sleep or she slept on the plane because she tweeted only 5 hours ago that her plane had just landed in London...
I find it interesting that a lot of these actors didn't even meet Burton during the casting process. Either he's not as hands on when it comes to casting as many other directors are - or all he needs to make a decision is to see tapes of actors' auditions...
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I think tabloids like that tend to take an offhanded comment from years ago and build a whole story on it.
Indeed they do - that is when they're not building a whole story entirely out of thin air. [ghost_rolleyes]
Like I said the other day, who knows what sorts of stories the English tabloids are going to be coming up with once DS begins shooting? DS has never had such a high profile cast before. I suspect a lot of the reporting is going to be insane...
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carolyn stoddard without a glistening platinum mane...
that is a switch! [ghost_shocked]
Or possibly she'll wear a wig? I've heard rumors that a few people have actually done that in movies... [ghost_wink]
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And of course there is that very funny script that is also "out there". We can only hope for the best.
Until I hear anything more, I'm not worried at all about the "funny script" being mentioned. As I've said in a previous post, there is much humor in Hitchcock's oeuvre. And some current "serious" TV series often have outright hilarious moments, such as Mad Men. I've even laughed out loud a few times when watching The Killing, which is one of the most grim series I've ever seen.
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Oh, and of course we can't forget the 1991 DS (as someone previously mentioned). Aunt Abigail, anyone?
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A) Who is Mrs. Johnson?
B) I had my first dream about the DS film last night. I was working as a soundtrack mixer for the film. Unfortunately, I was only given 15 minutes of music to mix. And this was the same day that the shooting actually started... I thought that all of this was strange, so I went over to watch shooting. And what did I see/hear? Well, I saw them practicing the first scene in which Michelle Pfeiffer is on the Collinwood set. She looked great in a long flowing black evening gown, but I didn't like what I heard. She was singing: "I'm creeping, crawling down the stairs in Collinwood Mansion. I'm creeping, crawling down the stairs to see who's at the door..."
It was horrifying - but really funny at the same time. Needless to say, Burton had turned DS into a musical and that was why there was so much hush-hush going on - and the reason I only had 15 minutes of instrumentals to mix. They hadn't finished the rest of the soundtrack. When Burton saw me standing and watching at the door, he came over, grabbed me, and threw me back into the audio booth, telling me that I have a job to do and that I don't have a right to know what's going on on stage. But I did get to see who was at the door - three vampire brides who gave Elizabeth some silly string as a present. End of dream.
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A) Who is Mrs. Johnson?
We don't even know if there is a Mrs. Johnson in the film.
I went over to watch shooting. And what did I see/hear? Well, I saw them practicing the first scene in which Michelle Pfeiffer is on the Collinwood set. She looked great in a long flowing black evening gown, but I didn't like what I heard. She was singing: "I'm creeping, crawling down the stairs in Collinwood Mansion. I'm creeping, crawling down the stairs to see who's at the door..."
It was horrifying - but really funny at the same time. Needless to say, Burton had turned DS into a musical
Now you know what it was like when I had my dancing/singing skeletons and clowns dream. [ghost_wink] Though while I was having it, there wasn't anything funny about my dream.
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The Mrs. Johnson problem needs to be fixed. She is the glue that holds this show together.
Exactly! That's why I had to share. Funny how we all have dreams about singing and dancing. We all know that the only way we would have that is if Buzz were in this film... [ghost_wink]
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I think Johnny did mention once that he was in a sauna when he was dreaming up the Jack Sparrow character, because he was thinking of the guy getting a bit of heat stroke on a ship on the seas, hence the wobbly walk. I don't know if it's a general thing, though [ghost_wink]
For what it's worth, I am watching a live stream of the Moscow press conference right now (7:30 a.m. Eastern time) and sure enough, the question of the sauna came up. He confirmed that he has thought up "a couple" of his characters there- "there's something about the sensory deprivation." He didn't specify which ones, though. No questions about DS yet- it's pretty much all about Pirates. The stream is here, but I don't know how much longer it'll last.
http://www.livestream.com/piratespremiere
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^^^yes, it's over already- less than 40 min. for the press conference, and no DS content :( But there really weren't many questions asked, because of the language barrier and the time for translations, etc.
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Here is my thought on what Johnny recently said. When the studio execs saw how he was playing Captain Jack Sparrow they were horrified and thought he acted like a gay pirate. He convinced them to let him continue playing Jack his way and look what we have now; a fourth movie and a franchise which has made probably at least a billion dollars. So I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves me otherwise. And I am sure that will be after I see the movie! ;)
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Thanks so much for reporting on the Moscow press conference, madscntst. [ghost_smiley]
Changing reels:I was just over on Bella Heathcote's Twitter account looking to see if she'd tweeted anything about being in London, but nothing yet.
I'm really surprised that there hasn't been a peep out of Bella Heathcote on Twitter considering that she'd tweeted a few times about how excited she was about going to London. However, and I hope it isn't the case, but perhaps she didn't actually go to London when she was expecting to, or if she did, she isn't feeling well enough to fool around with Twitter because last week she'd also tweeted that she was sick - and she hasn't tweeted a thing since the 7th. But maybe it's just that she's been too busy to tweet...
If she is too sick or too busy to tweet, though, that's too bad because I suspect this week might turn out to be when we're going to get the most interesting tweets about the film that we're likely to get. Once shooting actually begins, everyone is going to be bound by Burton's confidentiality agreement, so there won't be much they'll be allowed to tell us. Well, beyond things like "I met/worked with Johnny Depp today" or "I shot a great scene today that I can't say anything about". [ghost_sad] At least costume fittings and hair and make-up discussions sound interesting before shooting actually begins. [ghost_cheesy]
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From IMDb, someone posted a pic of Johnny in Moscow- check out what he's carrying in his right hand!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/temp/prem.jpg)
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Very nice. You've said that Depp often does something like that to prepare for his characters - and there's the proof! [ghost_wink] Thanks for sharing. [ghost_smiley]
I wonder if that's the actual prop he'll use in the film? Time will tell...
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I wonder if that's the actual prop he'll use in the film? Time will tell...
That would be my guess. He's a prop lover, and he's producing, so nobody is going to deny him permission to take it with him [ghost_wink] It doesn't look to me like a replica from the series- in fact, hard to tell at this size, but the wolf's head doesn't look silver to me (Maybe he won't need to come across any werewolves in this film, lol). There is some carving or decoration a few inches down the straight portion, so we can see if that will be in the film version.
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The wolf's head on the cane looks like it's supposed to be made of ivory. Actually, I think I like it better than the original silver one.
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Here it is in motion- a quick glimpse of Penelope Cruz and Javier Bardem, followed by Johnny and the cane :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3CZ6nKNhf0
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Very nice madscntst-thanks for sharing. Interesting they are not going with the silver but they must have their creative reasoning to go with the ivory like finish.
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Nice to see something from the film that looks terrific other than the cast. Great new take on the cane. Very ornate.
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He looks terribly gaunt.
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It must be the way the photo was taken because he doesn't look that gaunt in the photos from the other premiers last week.
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Are you sure that isn't an umbrella?
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I found this one on one of the international fan sites- you can see more detail in the wolf's face.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/MadScntst/temp/johnny20.jpg)
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That is a nice photo. Thanks. The wolf's head doesn't look that sinister but it could be just the angle.
Johnny speaks about his take on how he wants to play Barnabas, his hair, etc..
http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/entertainment/entertainment/view/20110512-336150/Why-Johnny-Depp-wants-a-third-baby
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Are you sure that isn't an umbrella?
[laughing4]
very good!
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Great article, jimbo. Thanks so much for posting the link. [ghost_smiley] Plus it's nice to see that Depp's remarks here tend to jibe more with his previous remarks about his approach to Barnabas.
And here's a rumor that I think we should start IF Victoria does indeed turn out to be a waitress: it has nothing to do with the Maggie character but was actually inspired by and related to Depp's own waitress tattoo as a tribute to his mother. If we post it on the right sites, let's see how fast it spreads across the Internet. [ghost_cheesy]
Of course I'm kidding. But I bet it would spread - and people would actually believe it...
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carolyn stoddard without a glistening platinum mane...
that is a switch! [ghost_shocked]
Maybe she'll be the girl of 101 falls. [ghost_smiley]
Don't know if this is DS related, but it very well could be. 7 hours ago Chloe Moretz tweeted:
"Long hair today!! Yay"
Considering how excited she was the other day to have her short hair back, it seems like an odd tweet if it's simply related to her real life. (Though I certainly have to admit that my insight into the psyches of 14-year-old girls is severely limited. [ghost_grin]) So, it could be related to the DS hair discussions she said she was having on Monday. And if so, that could easily mean that through Chloe has short hair, Carolyn will not...
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Thanks MB. I don't even remember what we did before google alerts and Twitter. jk Getting news in real time is amazing. On the other hand I think it makes our job more difficult as you have to be on the computer 24/7. I'm glad this is a collective effort here. I believe Chloe's remarks does pertain to the movie. I think she is real excited and she is happy with the hairstyle they have given her. Yes I don't have an idea either what goes in the mind of a 14 year old.
re: the article I am very encouraged with JD's remarks. It seems as some have been speculating that the "very funny script" pertains to Barnabas' reaction to his modern day environment and not his taking on a Jack Sparrow-like quirky persona. Something that I had feared.
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Apparently Chloe is fixated on this:
59 minutes ago:
"Long hair again!!!!!!!"
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Are you sure that isn't an umbrella?
I thought the same thing at first, until I looked closer and saw that Johnny appears to have a bandana peeking out from under his jacket.
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Macrame owls? Fake fruit on a plate? That pretty well cements the 1970's time setting!
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If there actually are macrame owls in the film, given the forum's history with macrame, no doubt many of us will howl with hysterical laughter when we see them! [laughing6]
Getting news in real time is amazing. On the other hand I think it makes our job more difficult as you have to be on the computer 24/7. I'm glad this is a collective effort here.
Indeed. I was just saying to a friend yesterday that it was so much easier keeping up with things back in '90-'91 when the Revival series was announced, in production, and on the air because there were only so many entertainment sources. On TV there were only a handful of entertainment shows: Entertainment Tonight (which frequently ran spots on the show), CNN's ShowBiz Today, and a few other assorted syndicated shows. There were just a few magazines that could be counted on coverage - ones like Soap Opera Weekly, Soap Opera Digest, and TV Guide to a smaller extent. And the Internet wasn't really a factor at all. But nowadays there are hundreds if not thousands of outlets that are likely to feature the Depp/DS film once things really get underway with it. My mind boggles at how we're going to keep up with a fraction of it, much less anything approaching all of it!
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Really encouraged by this latest interview. It's both good and interesting to see that he compares Barnabas to two of the most evil vampires in cinema history.
"Macram owls hanging on a wall or fake fruits on a dish are" simply where it's at. I just hope not to see too much '70s in the Collinwood mansion. But over at Angelique's place, bring it on!
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59 mintes ago Chloe Moretz tweeted a photo of herself:
"Not the best pic!! But I'll get a better one up soon-ish http://lockerz.com/s/101056978"
If that's going to be Carolyn's look, then it's very Nancy Barrett in the latter years of the show.
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Excellent MB!
This just in from GK Films from Twitter:
Just announced: Warner Bros will release Tim Burton's Dark Shadows starring Johnny Depp on May 11, 2012. Let the countdown begin!
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Very interesting - especially when I'd been saying all along that I didn't think it's a summer film, which I still don't - at least not if it's the type of film I'm expecting. But as I also said, there's such a thing as counter programming. So the fact that WB will be releasing the film then says a lot about their confidence in the film if they think it can compete with the other summer blockbusters that will be coming out. And also, it will be coming out before Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter, so that film will be the one compared to DS instead of the other way around. [ghost_wink]
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I'm happy that it will not be a December release only in the context that we will see it sooner. WB must really have faith in the movie- the "younger" audience is still in school for example but then again Pirates 4 is a May release so who knows. I hope it has legs.
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It would never have come out in December 2012 because the final Twilight chapter will be in play then, and it would be suicidal for anyone to release another vampire film then!
As I said, I was thinking more along the lines of September/October. But I'll definitely take the film 5-6 months earlier! [ghost_grin]
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So far it seems DS will battle "The Avengers" May 4th, "Battleship" May 18, and then the big one "Men In Black III" May 25th. I read several bloggers not liking this release date.
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Like I've said, it's not the one I would have picked. (But they didn't ask me. [ghost_wink]) And even without knowing what they're saying, I can understand where they're coming from. But all we can do at this point is hope for the best. But then, that's all you can do with every release date...
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Very true MB. It is out of our hands unfortunately. I forgot to mention Cameron Diaz's movie WHAT TO EXPECT WHEN YOUR EXPECTING is opening on the same day as the DS movie. Either way it's a very competitive 2012 year.
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Let the countdown begin!
And indeed it has - and I've just finished getting it to look the way I want it to. [ghost_wink]
"363 days 10 hours 17 minutes 32 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS is released(ET)!!"
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I wouldn't be surprised if that date gets revised for May 2013.
Remember, you read it here first.
G.
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Hmm - possible, but that doesn't seem very likely. Films have certainly been known to play musical release dates (I talked about that in a few earlier posts), but it's extremely rare for a film's release date to be announced and then for the release to be postponed for a full year.
I would almost like to see the film get postponed to the fall of 2012. But at the same time the more I think about the May 11th release date, the more I'm getting used to the idea and the more excited I'm becoming. And as I said the other day, WB must really believe in the film for them to give it, as this article puts it, such a "prime" release date: Tim Burton & Johnny Depp's 'Dark Shadows' Lands Prime Summer Release Date (http://blog.moviefone.com/2011/05/13/dark-shadows-release-date-tim-burton-johnny-depp/).
Changing reels entirely, Eva Green tweeted this yesterday:
EvaGaelleGreen
London, yesterday... Merci. RT @SoberMetalhead:
http://twitpic.com/4x60ls - Where are you in this pic? You're gorgeous!
13 May
Obviously she hadn't died her blonde yet. [ghost_wink]
362 days 23 hours 50 minutes 49 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS is released(ET)!! [ghost_smiley]
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note the ... haircut
Apparently those voting in this poll prefer Depp with short hair: VOTE! What Do You Think of Johnny Depp's Haircut? (http://www.ivillage.com/johnny-depps-haircut-likes-or-yikes/1-a-349026)
It's going to be very interesting to see what Depp's look will be for '70s (present day) Barnabas and, presumably, Barn's own time back in the past. Though who knows how long it will be before we get to see the first photo of Depp in character? [idontknow] It would be nice to think it might be sooner rather than later. But with Burton...
362 days 12 hours 26 minutes 19 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS is released(ET)!!
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I'm just glad it's being released before 12-21-12. I would hate for the world to end before we get to see it.
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I thought of that, too. [ghost_cheesy]
362 days 5 hours 17 minutes 18 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS is released(ET)!!
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After nearly 4 years of extremely dedicated service, this topic is being closed. Though, of course, it will still remain one of the forum's more valuable research resources. [ghost_smiley]
Future news/discussion of the Depp/DS film is to be posted in:Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS Is In Production!!
362 days 4 hours 39 minutes 58 seconds until the day the Depp/Burton DARK SHADOWS is released(ET)!!