DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Polls Archive => Topic started by: TNickey2003 on September 10, 2006, 09:09:51 PM
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new poll.
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She became Victoria. Her own personality and identity was pretty much destroyed, IMO.
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I feel she basically remained the same, in certain stories/situations she was stronger and others she was weaker it all depended i think on how important the ppl around her where used.
i.e. if the children where involved or Joe than she was stronger and more important than say when it dealt with Liz or Barnabas
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I agree with Barnabas' Bride, she pretty much lost her personality and became Vicki. It's too bad, because it would have made the show MUCH more interesting to see her react as Maggie would have during all those situations.
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I agree with Barnabas' Bride, she pretty much lost her personality and became Vicki. It's too bad, because it would have made the show MUCH more interesting to see her react as Maggie would have during all those situations.
Agreed. Hence my nickname for her "Magtoria". It saddens me and makes me feel cheated knowing that her character wasn't reacting as
Maggie would have, but as Vicki would have in those later scenes. They didn't even give her a chance to grow from her experiences, as
I feel that Willie did... ~DJ
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They didn't even give her a chance to grow from her experiences, as I feel that Willie did...
I totally agree w/this. Willie was an 'old pro' when it came to all the supernatural stuff that was going on at CW by the time 1970 summer had come along. I especially liked how he handled David and Hallie during these episodes. ;)
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I don't think she became Vicki entirely...Maggie is so much grittier, more impatient and harsh than Vicki--even after she becomes governess. Vicki's so dreamy and vague, whereas Maggie's practical and precise. I do think Maggie underwent some changes following her new job, but wouldn't you have, too? She's a small town girl moving into big, scary Collinwood--some changes are only natural. I admit, however, that the writers became a bit sloppy...
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I don't think she became Vicki entirely...Maggie is so much grittier, more impatient and harsh than Vicki--even after she becomes governess. Vicki's so dreamy and vague, whereas Maggie's practical and precise. I do think Maggie underwent some changes following her new job, but wouldn't you have, too? She's a small town girl moving into big, scary Collinwood--some changes are only natural. I admit, however, that the writers became a bit sloppy...
I don't know if I can truthfully say that I SAW any semblance of Maggie in her character as time went on. I mean, come on! There's a difference btwn making a transition for a new job and a new life and becoming an entirely new person. From what I saw, slowly she went from the tough and gritty Maggie you made mention of to the soft and even nostalgic Victoria Winters!! If the writers cared that much for Victoria, why didn't they just keep the actress (either one) who replaced her and allowed Maggie Evans to continue on as Maggie Evans?
Maggie had strength. Maggie endured. She went through hell, and even with all those memories swimming dangerously close to her conscious, she still had this intensity to her. I saw none of that in her as time went by after Vicki left.
I agree, though, that she showed somewhat of that strength in the leviathan story. But even then, all her facial expressions seemed to be very soft and doe-like.
~DJ
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to quote midnite(sort of)this topic is giving me deja-vu all over again...
...but i'll throw my two cents(again)in anyways(and probably quote myself in the process).
i tried to get into the groove of "magtoria" but in the end i just don't go for it.
i can totally see how the producers thought this to be "win-win" situation at the time.alexandra was gone,her replacement had not been successful,and waiting in the wings was a similarly "ingenue-ish" character not being especially well used at that moment.maggie's "support system" was diminishing.joel crothers and david ford were gone(or about to depart)and the diner set was knocked down.so why not bring her into the fold up at collinwood?
but in the end i think that maggie as governess inherited vicki's worst characteristics(her haplessness and helplessness)and none of her best ones(her sweetness and naivity)and lost alot of her own sass and spunk in the process.
please don't get me wrong...i love kathryn leigh scott as maggie evans.but in terms of collinwood governess i'll always want to see vicki and wish maggie had continued with her own,seperate storyline. :P
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The thing about Maggie is, that if Alexandria stayed, Maggie would probably have been written out at the same time Joe was. Perhaps they would have them get married and leave town. With the Quentin Ghost/Chris Werewolf story, Maggie would have become irrelevant.
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the potential for "irrelevancy" aside...
all this depends on what kathryn leigh scott's contract looked like. ;)
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i can totally see how the producers thought this to be "win-win" situation at the time.alexandra was gone,her replacement had not been successful,and waiting in the wings was a similarly "ingenue-ish" character not being especially well used at that moment.maggie's "support system" was diminishing.joel crothers and david ford were gone(or about to depart)and the diner set was knocked down.so why not bring her into the fold up at collinwood?
but in the end i think that maggie as governess inherited vicki's worst characteristics(her haplessness and helplessness)and none of her best ones(her sweetness and naivity)and lost alot of her own sass and spunk in the process.
please don't get me wrong...i love kathryn leigh scott as maggie evans.but in terms of collinwood governess i'll always want to see vicki and wish maggie had continued with her own,seperate storyline. :P
ITA. With Joe & Pop gone, Maggie had absolutely nobody to REALLY talk to. She and Carolyn never had much of a relationship, which could have worked into a nice "best friends" relationship. Too bad she never hooked up with Willie, he sure adored her.
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Too bad she never hooked up with Willie, he sure adored her.
Well you just made a friend outta Karlenfan w/that comment, LOL! She always says Maggie was Willie's unrequited love, sorta like Barnabas was Julia's. :D
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I'm in agreement with those who believe Maggie lost her personality and just became "Vicki-lite" once she'd taken over as governess. It almost seems as if the writers lost interest in her too, once Victoria was gone. She was essentially just there to nag and be frightened by the devil children, David and Amy, during the Quentin haunting Collinwood storyline. Once they returned from 1897, she had little to do. It's disappointing, because I really like KLS.
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Too bad she never hooked up with Willie, he sure adored her.
Well you just made a friend outta Karlenfan w/that comment, LOL! She always says Maggie was Willie's unrequited love, sorta like Barnabas was Julia's. :D
Mmm. And me, as well. :) You all know I adore those two (W&M) together [luv]. ~DJ
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You all know I adore those two (W&M) together
KLS & Johnny had good chemistry together. But then, he did w/Nancy Barret too! LOVE them as Melanie & Kendrick (and Leticia & Desmond too! ;)) Thought their two onstage kisses during the reinactment of episode 1245 at the Fest were electric! ;)
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When I got my tapes in 2002, i had what i think was a holdover from childhood...i'd look straight at Victoria (AM) or Maggie, and mistake one for the other, for a long time. A whole episode would go by, I'd wonder why the hell Victoria would do that... then it would hit me. They don't even look much alike. The two of them had imprinted on my child brain as the same person.
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I had to think about this question before I posted, simply for the fact I couldn't make up my mind right away about the changes in Maggie, because there were definitely changes, but they happened quite gradually IMO.
It wasn't as though she became the childrens' governess then just as quickly snapped in to the "helpless" mode".
She had a steeliness to her that Vicki never possessed, a no nonsense attitude, which helped her to put up a good fight with Quentin's ghost when he wanted David.
she could also be kind and gentle with the children.
As we see her after the 1897 story line, her character transforms somewhat, but not entirely, in to a carbon copy of Vicki, although there is still that small spark of fire in her when she deceives Jeb.
When she takes the most drastic change IMHO, is when she is the victim of Roxanne Drew, and I don't think they gave her character a good sendoff by taking her to Windcliff.
Did she change? No doubt.
Do I miss the strong, slightly rebellious Maggie? Most definitely!
I wish they would have allowed her to remain her own character instead of trying to make her in to another Vicki. I liked her much much better as Maggie the working class waitress, friend of Vicki, and fiance to Joe. What a pity that all ended.