DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '06 II => Topic started by: Shadowsfan on August 19, 2006, 08:51:18 PM
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Who would have been the ideal wife for Barnabas?
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Mrs. Johnson. And before you scoff, think about it - the question is who would have been the ideal wife - not who would have been his soulmate or his best romantic pairing. Mrs. Johnson wouldn't have put up with any of Barnabas' foolishness and she would have most definitely kept him in line. Let's face it, the man was in desperate need of someone to reign him in. And no other woman on the show had ever shown that she was ever capable of doing that. ::) Mrs. Johnson was certainly the best person for that job. [b003] And who knows, reigned in, Barnabas could have finally come to realize that his obsessions with SYTs were always a waste of his time and what he needed by his side all along was a real woman with enough spark to not only keep him in check but to show him how his life could really be. I suspect when Mrs. J doffed that apron, she was truly a wild woman in every sense! [lghy]
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No, no, Mrs. Johnson couldn't even keep Harry in line, and you expect her to be able to manage Barnabas? I haven't seen more than a few scattered episodes of parallel time, but it sounds to me as though Hoffman would be up to the job.
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No, no, Mrs. Johnson couldn't even keep Harry in line, and you expect her to be able to manage Barnabas?
True with regards to Harry. But the relationship between mother and son is very different than that between husband and wife. Trust me, I was a master manipulator when it came to my mom and getting around her and getting my way. [b003]
I haven't seen more than a few scattered episodes of parallel time, but it sounds to me as though Hoffman would be up to the job.
Maybe. But beyond the fact that Hoffman [spoiler]died not all that long after Barnabas met her[/spoiler]one strongly suspects her proclivities [spoiler]were elsewhere - as in she was too obsessed with Angelique to ever have a relationship with someone else. [wink2][/spoiler]
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Oh, come on, when did
[spoiler]being dead[/spoiler]
ever stop anybody on Dark Shadows?
one strongly suspects her proclivities [spoiler]were elsewhere - as in she was too obsessed with Angelique to ever have a relationship with someone else. [wink2][/spoiler]
Exactly. She would have had the clear-headed detachment necessary to keep Barnabas on the straight and narrow.
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She would have had the clear-headed detachment necessary to keep Barnabas on the straight and narrow.
You have a good point there. :D
Not to mention that the Juliaphiles get to have Barnabas and a Julia Hoffman end up together. ;D
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Shirley from 'What's Happening!!'
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I'd pick either the non witch Angelique or Julia. Angelique without her manipulations might have been just fine. Julia would have been a good choice as well for Barnabas.
Or maybe Charity Trask. >:D
nancy
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Post-vampire Barnabas? Kitty Hampshire. She was [spoiler]the reincarnation of Josette,[/spoiler] with an edge that would be needed when dealing with him as he became after the curse. Too bad the writers so quickly discarded her to get to Leviathans.
Pre-vampire Barnabas? Josette. They would've been happy together had Angelique not ruined them.
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Post-vampire Barnabas? Kitty Hampshire. She was [spoiler]the reincarnation of Josette,[/spoiler] with an edge that would be needed when dealing with him as he became after the curse. Too bad the writers so quickly discarded her to get to Leviathans. Pre-vampire Barnabas? Josette. They would've been happy together had Angelique not ruined them.
Agree with this 110% And maybe Catherine from 1841 PT. She had that 'Angie' look, w/out all the baggage, LOL! Julia SHOULD have gotten him, she went through enough for that man, but frankly, she's too good for him. >:D
Shirley from 'What's Happening!!
[laughing4] [stfl] [thumb]
Right ON Penny! She'd be like, "Fool, don't you be telling me about no Roxanne! Uh uhh! Now come give ol' Shirley a big old WET one!" ;D
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Barnabas & Angelique never divorced & never really died, so.......
David
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Post-vampire Barnabas? Kitty Hampshire. She was [spoiler]the reincarnation of Josette,[/spoiler] with an edge that would be needed when dealing with him as he became after the curse. Too bad the writers so quickly discarded her to get to Leviathans.
Pre-vampire Barnabas? Josette. They would've been happy together had Angelique not ruined them.
If all Angelique He## hadn't broken loose and Barnabas stayed in his own time and environment where he should have been, Josette was obviously the one. And, I'm all for the [spoiler]Kitty/Josette reincarnation[/spoiler] as well - since Josette was long gone by that time.
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In the present time, I would choose Vicky because unlike Maggie , Barnabas really fell in love with her and couldn't wait to court her as a human instead of making her a vampire like himself. Julia became more of a dear friend or a sister to him. Barnabas wouldn't have approved of one of Mrs Johnson's famous boiled dinners so that wouldn't have worked out. ;)
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Barnabas wouldn't have approved of one of Mrs Johnson's famous boiled dinners so that wouldn't have worked out. ;)
Oh, I don't know, Barnabas could have slipped it to the dog (there would have to be a dog) and filled himself up on claret cup, Breakfast of Champions.
Laura might have worked out very nicely for him, coming back every hundred years or so to clean up any inconvenient children, and then going off and leaving him free to pursue the latest SYT.
But if he wants an actual live-in wife, Elizabeth would have been perfect for him - beautiful and gracious, but smart enough to see through a lot of guff when she cares to.
That is, if he absolutely refuses to make an honest woman of Julia.
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i have to say julia because she knew all of his dirty little secrets!
jennifer
Mrs J was too smart to ever marry again ;D
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i hate to say it but the pairing that would have had the most interesting storyline possiblities would have been barnabas and...angelique.
their love/hate push/pull dynamic served as the catalyst for some of the most interesting storytelling on the show.
i think that barnabas and josette(and all of her look-alike incarnations)needed to remain forever the ill-fated lovers.it simply was not their destiny to end up together happily.
i know that there are alot out there who envisioned barnabas and julia together but i think that would have ended up being very boring.as it was i think the cat-and-mouse dynamic they had before 1795 was much more fascinating than co-dependence they shared later on.it just gets too easy.
barnabas and vicki are an interesting thought to ponder.while it's highly doubtful that they ever would have married if alexandra hadn't left the show i wonder if t.p.t.b. would ever have decided that a pairing between the two(however briefly)would have been a possibility or would some sort of burke/jeff type of obstruction always be put in place?
as for roxanne she and barnabas are perhaps the most boring and contrived coupling ever on the show.
elizabeth was a blood relative so that has a distict "yuck factor" to it. :P
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Well, if Angelique hadn't interfered with Barnabas and Josette, they would have been perfect together, although in his eyes, it seemed as though she could do nothing wrong, and I wonder how long their marriage might have lasted with such high expectations.
Even the most loving couple gets in to an argument every now and then, but if they went in to the marriage expecting perfection, it would be a harsh reality to discover that neither of them was flawless.
Josette and all her reincarnations got a bit tiring and he should have moved on. I'm not trying to be insensitive, because I know it was traumatic for him to lose Josette the way he did, but he could find so much more happiness if he would have let her go.
Angelique could have been loving, but her uncertainty and jealousy caused her to manipulate people, and even when Barnabas married her, she was constantly looking over her shoulder to make certain another woman wasn't trying to steal him away from her. I think she was too involved in her spells and deceptions to ever give them up. And after all she did to him and his family, I just can't see them mending their marriage and going on from there.
Barnabas often bossed Julia around, and she just as often gave in to his demands, but she was the only one courageous enough to confront him about being a vampire.
She grounded him in reality and sensibility when he wanted to rush headlong in to something that was less than safe or wise, and many was the time he heeded her warnings. She had the greatest influence over him, far more so than anyone else.
I think that if she ever realized where she stood with barnabas, and stopped trying to get him to notice her, she could have had even more sway over him. He changed her behavior as well, softening her manner and helping her to come out of herself and allow others to get closer to her.
IMHO, she would be the best choice for him.
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But some of you forget that Barnabas HAD married....Angelique... and never divorced her.. So I'm with David. Besides, Angelique stood up to Barnabas. I think Barnabas liked that. At least Angelique never kow-tow'd to Barnabas.....except in bed, and then he did rule. He liked being married to Angelique. That love/hate relationship. I also think that when they had met at different times, that, yes, they had went to bed together. And you know what they say...'The worst the argument, the better the lovemaking'.
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Hmmmmm ...if Barnabas had married ...... let's explore the possible mates:
Julia - She was always warm for his form ...even if she didn't always admit it. But Barnabas saw her as a confidante, like a sister-figure.
Maggie - Nope. No chemistry there.
Eve - They would have killed each other before the honeymoon was over :o
Josette - He always held onto that flame ...but she was gone. Flinging yourself off the cliff cuts down on the future prospects.
Vicky - He loved Victoria, but she was always busy with other pursuits to pick up on his hints.
Beth - She was too taken with Quentin.
Carolyn- Nope. No chemistry there.
Mrs. Johnson - Tenacious and strong enough to handle Barnabas on a daily basis, but ....damn, girl ...do something about that hair!!!
And the winner is .........
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Angelique!
:o <Runs for cover from small music boxes hurled at near-sound-velocity by irate DSF members!>
Angelique is the only one for Barnabas. In spite of the dirty deed done by her, back in 1795 she knew he was her soul-mate. He didn't see it until much later when they became uneasy allies against a common enemy.
Angelique is the only one who could handle Barnabas, besides Mrs. Johnson. And she's too busy tending to her shiftless son anyways.
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Okay, Barnabas married Angelique. Barnabas then dies from the curse which she placed upon him. He then returns to life, (so to speak), then winds up killing her.
So technically once they were both dead the marriage was dissolved. But since they both were able to defeat death, are they still married? ???
She forces Barnabas in to marrying her, and although she then tells him he doesn't have to wed her, Barnabas is much too honorable to go back on his word.
She then curses him, in essence, transforming a portion of his personality in to something cold and dark.
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Oh goodness gracious, MB. Are you kidding? Mrs. Johnson and Barnabas? :o That is sooo creepy on so many levels. She looked like his aunt(not exactly oedipal as Elizabeth and Barnabas)but still creepy.
I can't think of anyone he would marry. Angelique reminds me of Glenn Close in that movie with Michael Douglas(can't think of the name). She would be offing any woman that spoke to him. The lady that delivers his mail, waitresses at the coffee shop, and anyone resembling Josette. If the show had stayed on the air, he would be paired with the SYT du jour and just like the guy in the red shirt in Star Trek she would be disposed of. Just look how many women bit the dust on the ponderosa. Four handsome guys with land and money and they never had a long term gal. They even had a male housekeeper Hop Sing. If the men on the ponderosa couldn't get a gal, Barnabas doesn't stand a chance.
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Josette - He always held onto that flame ...but she was gone. Flinging yourself off the cliff cuts down on the future prospects.
Sorry, gotta butt in here. Quite tragically a 22 year old innocent woman with all the advantages in the world, flung herself over a steep cliff into sharp rocks that must have been a painful and gruesome death. Josette, wearing those rose colored glasses, was too well-bred to believe, even in that moment when Angelique was tormenting her, that her former maid was baiting her to her death. How could Josette understand that Barnabas, the man she loyally stuck by despite love potions and the whole Angelique bit, was a vampire. As a viewer I can't blame her innocence. What woman with her upbringing in 1795 could believe such things at such short notice and with the people she loved most. The audience hasn't a clue how happy Barnabas and Josette could have been as they never had the opportunity nor the screen time.
I also believe that once a murdering criminal Angelique would not likely change her colors, even for Barnabas. Barnabas was too honest not to understand that Angeqliue was probably emotionally incapable of love. Barnabas only became the monster he was after the curse was put on him. This "Barnabas" was never the true man again. OK. Angelique might be the only woman/monster for Barnabas the vampire but as even Barnabas once admitted "Barnabas is dead".
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I also believe that once a murdering criminal Angelique would not likely change her colors, even for Barnabas. Barnabas was too honest not to understand that Angeqliue was probably emotionally incapable of love. Barnabas only became the monster he was after the curse was put on him. This "Barnabas" was never the true man again. OK. Angelique might be the only woman/monster for Barnabas the vampire but as even Barnabas once admitted "Barnabas is dead".
Yes, Angelique did too many ghastly things for Barnabas to truly forgive and forget.
Let's tally up all the horrible things she did in the name of "love".
She causes Barnabas to choke, then enters his room with Josette, and observes him struggling for breath, and pretends to sincerely care about Josette's frantic concern. It's true she lifted the spell once she thought it would kill him, but that too was for her own sake.
She then forces poor Ben to work for her, ignoring his protests, and threatening to kill him if he doesn't obey her every order.
She bewitches Jeremiah and Josette in to falling in love with each other, going so far as to allow them to run away together and get married.
Upon their return she coldly remains silent as Barnabas believes that his best friend, Jeremiah, and the only woman he loved betrayed him, and looks on as Barnabas and Jeremiah engage in a fatal duel, resulting in Jeremiah's death.
When that didn't turn Barnabas to her, she employed her magic against an innocent child, remorselessly causing her intense pain, almost to the point of death. If barnabas will marry her, she promises to cure little sarah, and he gives in for the life of his beloved sister.
IMHO, harming a child was very wrong of her, and I don't think barnabas could so easily set that aside, even if she did make sarah well again. After all, it was Angelique who caused her to suffer in the first place.
With her curses, she destroyed many in the Collins family, and those close to them.
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I think most of us know what it is like to have an unrequited love or be dumped. It's not a pleasant thing to happen to you.
However, setting out to destroy the "dumper's" family and turning him into a vampire is overreacting just a wee bit.
Angelique not having the benefit of Dr. Phil's advice sure took its toll.
Nancy
Yes, Angelique did too many ghastly things for Barnabas to truly forgive and forget.
Let's tally up all the horrible things she did in the name of "love".
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Angelique not having the benefit of Dr. Phil's advice sure took its toll.
LOL! Too funny! ;D
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Okay, as David and Terry say, Barnabas DID marry during the show, to Angelique, and [spoiler]he did not do anything to deny the marriage in 1840, even though she blackmailed him into agreeing to let her move to the Old House. However, Angelique underwent a major change by the end of 1840, finally realizing that she had to free Barnabas from her power in order to finally help him realize she truly loved him,[/spoiler] in spite of all the twisted turns that took in 1795 and other times, and of course the 1840 Angelique did not have the memory of being Cassandra or of 1897...
Okay, so I think by the end of 1840 Angelique finally transformed herself into being a real soulmate for Barnabas, and of course, she had a shared history with him from way back in his original life in 1795, so could share that past history with him, but Angelique had to transform in order to deserve Barnabas' love--I do not think her transformation is out of line as some have thought, if you take the entire cannon of the Barnabas/Angelique relationship, as time and time again he would go to Angelique for help, if he truly only felt hate for her I don't think he would have done that, deep down some of the original attraction to her remained.
Having said that, I also think Barnabas truly loved Josette, but I think in time his marriage to her might have become boring as someone said, if the relationship was only based on an idealization of love, but of course one will never know...
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But if he wants an actual live-in wife, Elizabeth would have been perfect for him - beautiful and gracious, but smart enough to see through a lot of guff when she cares to.
Beautiful, gracious and smart, I agree, but but but
SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE HIS MOTHER!!! EWWWWW!
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But some of you forget that Barnabas HAD married....Angelique... and never divorced her.. So I'm with David. Besides, Angelique stood up to Barnabas. I think Barnabas liked that. At least Angelique never kow-tow'd to Barnabas.....except in bed, and then he did rule. He liked being married to Angelique. That love/hate relationship. I also think that when they had met at different times, that, yes, they had went to bed together. And you know what they say...'The worst the argument, the better the lovemaking'.
well he died that seems more final than divorce heehee but Terry you have brought up some interesting
points how do you know Barnabas ruled in bed?....also i think angelique was more caught up in being "mrs barnabas Collins"
than worrying about doing the nasty and since this seems not to exist on DS(except for the scene with Jeb
and Carolyn) hence the few children born it seems we never knew this relationship except those nights spoken about
on the island maybe Angelique ruled i also see no proof that he liked being married to Angelique quite the opposite
just MHO interesting thoughts though
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But if he wants an actual live-in wife, Elizabeth would have been perfect for him - beautiful and gracious, but smart enough to see through a lot of guff when she cares to.
Beautiful, gracious and smart, I agree, but but but
SHE LOOKS JUST LIKE HIS MOTHER!!! EWWWWW!
great point Nelson how creepy :o
jennifer
and Harry as a stepson double creepy :o :o
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the most interesting storyline possiblities would have been barnabas and...angelique. their love/hate push/pull dynamic served as the catalyst for some of the most interesting storytelling on the show.
I agree, they were interesting together, and Jonathan and Lara had incredible chemistry together, which is why, I'm sure, they [spoiler]were paired up in 1841 PT[/spoiler]
barnabas and julia¢â‚¬¦cat-and-mouse dynamic they had before 1795 was much more fascinating than the co-dependence they shared later on. it just gets too easy.
I liked the back and forth w/them a lot too, but I preferred them as allies, the dynamic duo I call them. But you're right, they WERE co-dependant upon one another, LOL! They TOTALLY enabled one another!
as for roxanne she and barnabas are perhaps the most boring and contrived coupling ever on the show.
This coupling was ridiculous, period. It came out of left field, was too quick and besides, Jon and Donna had ZERO chemistry. Now, having said that, I didn't mind them together TOO much in 1840. Figure THAT one out cousins! ;) Maybe they'd worn me down by then, LOL! The only other coupling as ridiculous is Quentin and Amanda! :P
elizabeth was a blood relative so that has a distict "yuck factor" to it. :P
Not to mention she was a clone practically of his mother, talk about an Oedipal complex! :P
Josette and all her reincarnations got a bit tiring¢â‚¬¦he could find so much more happiness if he would have let her go.
Which I think was the whole point of him being paired w/Roxanne. When [spoiler]Josette's ghost tells him to let her go and find someone else, he finds Roxanne in like 2 weeks![/spoiler]
Barnabas often bossed Julia around, and she just as often gave in to his demands, but she was the only one courageous enough to confront him about being a vampire. She grounded him in reality and sensibility when he wanted to rush headlong in to something that was less than safe or wise, and many was the time he heeded her warnings. She had the greatest influence over him, far more so than anyone else. He changed her behavior as well, softening her manner and helping her to come out of herself and allow others to get closer to her. IMHO, she would be the best choice for him.
Again, agree w/this! He treated her like crap a lot, even after they were friends, and she let him! I didn't enjoy THAT part of their relationship, her basically becoming a doormat. That said, a lot of the time when he bossed her around he was doing it for her own good, to protect her. Like when [spoiler]he point blank tells her there's no way in hell she's going back to PT w/him because "it's too dangerous".[/spoiler]
She did have great sway w/him and he listened to her more than anyone else it's true. He'd think things out more after she'd advise him, but not all of the time. And yeah, she changed a lot being friends w/him. She went from the Ice Maiden to a warm, caring, compassionate person. Remember how cold and detached she was in the beginning when she was treating Maggie at Wyndcliff?
But some of you forget that Barnabas HAD married....Angelique... and never divorced her.. So I'm with David. Besides, Angelique stood up to Barnabas. I think Barnabas liked that.
I can't disagree w/this. She had moxy and as much as Barnabas probably hated it, he admired it too I think. And it's true, they never divorced and neither TRULY died, so they ARE still married. Remember, [spoiler]in 1840 she tells him she'll spare Roxanne if he comes and lives w/her as man and wife, "because that is what we are!" she tells him. And she's 100% correct and he knows it, which is, I think, part of the reason he caves, because he can't argue w/her that she's NOT his wife.[/spoiler]
Okay, so I think by the end of 1840 Angelique finally transformed herself into being a real soulmate for Barnabas, and of course, she had a shared history with him from way back in his original life in 1795, so could share that past history with him
Errrp, sorry, gotta disagree w/this. I don't think their so-called ¢â‚¬Ëœhistory' was anything he'd want to reminiss about quite frankly. Unless it was to throw into her face all the crap she did to him and his family just because he dumped her.
time and time again he would go to Angelique for help, if he truly only felt hate for her I don't think he would have done that, deep down some of the original attraction to her remained.
Again, gotta disagree. He went to her for help again and again, it's true. But it was always reluctantly, and as a last resort. And he would always say, w/more than a hint of sarcasm, "What price must I pay for this?" ;)
how do you know Barnabas ruled in bed?.... maybe Angelique ruled.
I think Angie probably did, and scared the hell out of him in the process, LOLLOL! >:D
also i think angelique was more caught up in being "mrs barnabas Collins" than worrying about doing the nasty and since this seems not to exist on DS(except for the scene with Jeb and Carolyn) hence the few children born
Um, you're forgetting the very scandalicious episode 1202 when [spoiler]Bramwell and Catherine did the deed. Remember, he ended up getting her pregnant! ;)
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Oh goodness gracious, MB. Are you kidding? Mrs. Johnson and Barnabas?
About Mrs. J - definitely. ;D About needing to marry someone who was capable of reigning him in - most definitely not. The man was totally out of control, which is why I agree with you that there wasn't really any existing character on DS that he would or should have married. No woman that he was ever paired with could handle his pigheadedness for long. He would have either completely overpowered her or they would have ended up killing one another. ::)
The audience hasn't a clue how happy Barnabas and Josette could have been as they never had the opportunity nor the screen time.
Exactly. Many fans like to believe in the fantasy and the ideal the show fostered of what their life might have been like, but truthfully there's no real evidence that things would have worked out that way. And actually, given the fact that, even though it put supernatural twists on its plots, DS is still a soap in every sense, what couple ever stays happy forever on a soap? The entire point of soaps is people and relationships in conflict. It's no surprise whatsoever that the vast majority of soap's most popular individual characters have married, divorced and married again more times than they can count on the fingers of one hand, no matter how storybook each relationship might have appeared to have been at first. [b003]
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Oh, dear, nobody wanted Elizabeth for Barnabas. I've seen two objections to her: 1) consanguinity and 2) resemblance to his mother.
1) Consanguinity: not a problem. There was no objection to a marriage between Barnabas's uncle and Elizabeth's I-don't-know-how-many-times-great-aunt, so Barnabas could marry Elizabeth.
2) Resemblance to his mother: I have three count-'em-3 answers to that.
a) This is something that never occurred to me, because Naomi and Elizabeth are such separate people in my mind.
b) Men quite often marry women who look like their mother.
c) In fact there was only a vague family resemblance between the Naomi and Elizabeth; they didn't look alike. What we see on Dark Shadows is a theatrical representation of the history of the Collins family. Budgetary considerations and an effort to make the story more accessible to viewers compelled Dan Curtis to use the same actress for Naomi and Elizabeth and the same actor for Roger and Joshua, and so on - but it wasn't really like that. Oh, and by the way, the real reason that we never learned the true story of Vicky's parentage was that the surviving members of the Collins family threatened to sued that pants off of Dan Curtis Productions if it was made public.
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True with regards to Harry. But the relationship between mother and son is very different than that between husband and wife. Trust me, I was a master manipulator when it came to my mom and getting around her and getting my way. [b003]
Maybe. And maybe your Mom just got a kick out of watching you trying to manipulate her....
Trust me....I'm a Mom.... ;)
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Maybe. And maybe your Mom just got a kick out of watching you trying to manipulate her....
Well, regardless of what she may or may not have been doing, I got what I wanted, and that's all that was important. [b003]
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I can't think of anyone he would marry. Angelique reminds me of Glenn Close in that movie with Michael Douglas(can't think of the name).
"Fatal Attraction" :)
I see some similarities :o
But I think much of Angelique's hostility came from being spurned by Barnabas. "Hell hath no fury ..."
In the 1897 time, [spoiler]when they were allies against Petofi (Quentin), they were getting along quite well.[/spoiler]
I really think Angelique would have been quite a catch for Barnabas once she retracted her fangs. She showed signs of desperately wanting to lead a "normal" life with him. I believe she sincerely loved him. It was the intensity of that love that caused the collateral damage ;D
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c) In fact there was only a vague family resemblance between the Naomi and Elizabeth; they didn't look alike. What we see on Dark Shadows is a theatrical representation of the history of the Collins family. Budgetary considerations and an effort to make the story more accessible to viewers compelled Dan Curtis to use the same actress for Naomi and Elizabeth and the same actor for Roger and Joshua, and so on - but it wasn't really like that.
The writers seemed to go out of their way trying to say they looked exactly alike. Vicki goes back in time calling all the people by the names of the people she knew in her own time. It got her into alot of trouble. For example, she thought Abigail was Mrs. Johnson and said so. She embraced Lt. Forbes because she thought he was Joe. Those were just a few of her many gaffes in 1795.
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Professor Stokes welcome to the board and thanks for coming up with the title of that movie. The reason I can't see them happily married is because Angelique is an extremely jealous person think of the movie "Leave her to Heaven". In the movie, this beautiful women is adored by everyone so no one sees her dark side. She has an obsessive love for Cornel Wilde(can't think of his characters name)She even murders his little brother and kills the child she is carrying so she would not have to share his love with anyone. Sarah was a goner. There is a scene in DS right after Angelique is married to Barnabas. [spoiler]Barnabas has come back home after trying to find work. She gives him the third degree. She has eyes follow him.[/spoiler] I could probably come up with more but I would have to re-watch these episodes. Of course, this is a great idea but I'm waiting for my kids to go back to school.
PS If you have not seen "Leave her to Heaven" I highly recommend it. It has Vincent Price in it. :-*
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true,
they made a very big deal about the fact that everyone vicki encountered in 1795 looked exactly like their present-time counterpart.you'd think that after the third or fourth time vicki is informed that the person standing in front of her was not who she thought they were she might have picked up on something but that's how things go with vic.
then when she returns to the present it goes into reverse and vicki has to register "shock" when she encounters for the first time those she met in 1795(peter/jeff,angelique/cassandra,noah.harry).
the poor girl spent the better part of six months "shocked". :o
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PS If you have not seen "Leave her to Heaven" I highly recommend it. It has Vincent Price in it.
Thanks. That's now on my "must watch" list. I love Vincent Price movies 8)
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I would have to say Angelique during the Leviathan story line. Well, after she and Sky no longer saw eye-to-eye. She was a reformed woman, still in love with Barnabas, and he obviously had deep affection for her as exemplified by how he held her tightly when she sobbed after finding out about - you know - Sky. They had a definite love-connection at that moment.
Besides, like David said earlier, Barnabas and Angelique never did get a divorce. They had an Endora-Maurice type marriage throughout the next several centuries. By 1970 it was time to settle down.
Gerard
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Good points, Gerard, but of course the lovliness of that scene is ruined when Barnabas abruptly runs out on Angelique to warn Maggie once he finds out Nicholas is back, Barnabas did not always treat Angelique with the greatest tact, I am talking about in scenes where she had not shown any jealousy, been obnoxious, etc....
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The reason I can't see them happily married is because Angelique is an extremely jealous person think of the movie "Leave her to Heaven".
OMG, onyx-treasure, I have always thought that Ellen (the Gene Tierney character) was exactly what Angelique would have turned into if her and Barnabas's marriage had progressed. Some fans have speculated, "Oh, if only they'd had a family together, they could have been so happy and Angelique would have calmed down" but I just know a tumble down the stairs and a trip in a rowboat would have been in store for anyone who got too close to Barnabas.
ProfStokes
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If you have not seen "Leave her to Heaven" I highly recommend it. It has Vincent Price in it. :-*
I read the book. I think it was several years later that I discovered the movie. It's been a long time now, so I don't remember too much about it, but I think the movie captured the book pretty well. As to the book, after a very slow introductory chapter, it was terrific. I could hardly put it down, had to plow through it. I don't remember the author's name, but I really recommend it.
(The comparison of Angelique to Ellen is good!)
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how do you know Barnabas ruled in bed?.... maybe Angelique ruled.
I think Angie probably did, and scared the hell out of him in the process, LOLLOL!
yes can't you see her with her whip heehee
Um, you're forgetting the very scandalicious episode 1202 when [spoiler]Bramwell and Catherine did the deed. Remember, he ended up getting her pregnant![/spoiler]
i forgot that one but then again Morgan was so icky :o
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PS If you have not seen "Leave her to Heaven" I highly recommend it. It has Vincent Price in it.
I have seen it and its a great movie. It's almost too painful to watch how [spoiler]the younger, crippled brother meets his end.[/spoiler]
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I think they should have married off Barnabas and Julia after they returned from 1840....while I can see **[spoiler]Barnabas finally forgiving Angelique (due to her saving Quentin and Desmond and destroying Gerard and Dawson) in 1840 his sudden declaration that she was his "one true love" didn't ring true to me. I mean back in 1795 she wounded up killing half his family and as Cassandra in the present she started the dream curse that tormented his family and friends before it could reach him and put the curse back on him.[/spoiler]
I would have just preferred having Barnabas telling Angelique he forgave her (though I myself wouldn't have been able too) for all her past evils before she died. And him finally realizing that Julia was the one woman who was totally devoted to him. She could have destroyed him when she learned he was a vampire, there were many times she could have said "to hell with Barnabas" and leave Collinwood forever whenever he was in a crisis but she didn't. She stood by him through thick and thin. It would have been great to have seen him finally return the deep feelings that she always had for him.
They should have ended the story in the conclusion of 1971 with the whole Collins family and friends attending the wedding of Barnabas and Julia.....it would have been a perfect way to end things.
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Who should Barnabas marry? Oh my, what a question! [angl] Let's see...there's....well....no. ::)
Um... here's...well, no again. Sorry. Can't see that.:P Oh! There's...NO NO NO. :o DEFINITELY no. I just don't GET that! [8311]
My goodness, WHOEVER should it be?
I know! I know!!! [cheer] YES!!!! PERFECT!!!! And then, SOMEbody could write some fan fiction to show how it all came about. What a GREAT idea!!!! [read3] Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more... [love3]
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Mrs. Johnson. And before you scoff, think about it - the question is who would have been the ideal wife - not who would have been his soulmate or his best romantic pairing. Mrs. Johnson wouldn't have put up with any of Barnabas' foolishness and she would have most definitely kept him in line. Let's face it, the man was in desperate need of someone to reign him in. And no other woman on the show had ever shown that she was ever capable of doing that. ::) Mrs. Johnson was certainly the best person for that job. [b003] And who knows, reigned in, Barnabas could have finally come to realize that his obsessions with SYTs were always a waste of his time and what he needed by his side all along was a real woman with enough spark to not only keep him in check but to show him how his life could really be. I suspect when Mrs. J doffed that apron, she was truly a wild woman in every sense! [lghy]
Oh that is hilarious!!! [toothy9]
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Barnabas & Angelique never divorced & never really died, so.......
They both [spoiler]died! Several times for Angelique.[/spoiler] and that always ends a marriage, good or bad. Of course, death was only an inconvenience to Angelique and Barnabas. [smrtasg][/size]
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He liked being married to Angelique.
I missed that altogether. When he marriaged Angelique in 1795, it was under duress and right after that he found out [spoiler]that she was the real witch that was responsible for ALL his family disasters.[/spoiler] How can he like being married to her and how can he love her after all that?[/size]
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I know a great deal of the fans will name every pretty SYT Barnabas ever laid eyes on. I personally would like him to come to his senses and pick Julia who knew him better than anyone else. She was the most loyal of friends and they were best friends. Best friends CAN make great partners in the truest sense. BUT IMHO as the writers had depicted this character, Barnabas was not ready for anyone. He had an ideal, a dream that carried him through his 175 year lockup which sustained him with starry eyes. But he always fell in love with someone at first sight and he had many first sights. He was a romantic but I don't know if he could have been happy with any of them.
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I agree completely about Barnabas and Angelique, but I think Julia and Barnabas would be better off as friends. If Barnabas could honestly fall in love with her, then it would be different, but marrying her out of loyalty or obligation would bad for both of them, IMO. They're better off as friends if he can't return the feelings she has for him, and I'm not sure he could return them.
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BUT IMHO as the writers had depicted this character, Barnabas was not ready for anyone. He had an ideal, a dream that carried him through his 175 year lockup which sustained him with starry eyes. But he always fell in love with someone at first sight and he had many first sights. He was a romantic but I don't know if he could have been happy with any of them.
Exactly! I've joked in this topic, but what isn't a joke is that, as written, Barnabas isn't suitable husband materiel for any woman. As if it isn't bad enough that no woman could ever live up to his ideal, as I mentioned, because of his need to dominate he would either completely overpower her or they would end up killing one another. ::) And we all know how well that latter alternative worked out for him. :D
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because of his need to dominate he would either completely overpower her or they would end up killing one another.
I'm not so sure. I just recently watched an episode in which he and Rachel are trying to solve the Mystery of the Tower Room, and he thinks to himself that he could easily enter the room without a key, but he has to do it "Rachel's way". I didn't know Barnabas had it in him to be so humble!
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I don't know if I'd go so far as to say that was being humble. Pragmatic, possibly. ;) But it's pretty near impossible to point to many long term realtionships that Barnabas had in which he didn't at one point or another try to dominate the other person. And it doesn't even have to be a woman. Almost universally he resorted at some point to manipulating or even bullying his way through his family/friends.
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I admit that I was tempted to add, in my post, that things might have changed after the honeymoon was over - but then I thought to myself: "Be strong! Be adamant! Be like Barnabas!"
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I thought to myself: "Be strong! Be adamant! Be like Barnabas!"
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