DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '06 I => Topic started by: I Ching on May 03, 2006, 06:35:58 PM
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I hope that this exercise hasn't been done before. I thought it would be interesting to list the "characters" that were mentioned on the show but never seen. This has happened several times during the 1970 PT plotline that I am currently watching. One character mentioned, and I assume will never be shown, is Maggie's sister. During the course of the show, I'm sure there have been many others. So, anyone want to start naming names?
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Dr. JULIAN Hoffman, LOL! ;D
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Willie's girlfriend, Roxanne. Wish we could have seen her. I think it would have been interesting for Elizabeth Eis (PT Buffie) to play her.
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Willie's girlfriend, Roxanne. Wish we could have seen her. I think it would have been interesting for Elizabeth Eis (PT Buffie) to play her.
I was always VERY grateful we never got to see Willie's "Roxanne".
That way I could ignore the fact that she ever existed.....[vryevl]
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Mrs. Johnson's daughter. It was during the "dream curse" and Julia Hoffman tells Mrs Johnson to go visit her daughter so she wouldn't tell David the dream.
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During the P.T. 1970 storyline, I believe that there was a Collins family physician named "Dr. Blum," who was never actually seen.
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Mr. Snell, 1897 family lawyer (?) that Judith calls.
Petofi
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The Woman in White, especially if she'd been played by Nancy Barrett as a DS calendar once claimed.
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How 'bout Evan Hanley's "extravagant" wife? ;)
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Good one, Buzz. I've always wondered about her. Also, Ned Stuart appeared in early '69, but during the Leviathan storyline, though he was mentioned many times by Sabrina and Chris and Julia, he never showed up again.
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Oh I'm a bad fan and I don't have time to look up this character's name, but I REALLY wish we had seen the gent Liz wanted to come back to work for her in 1966. He had been a beau of hers, but she wasn't interested... at the time.
I think it would have been cool if the stylish gentleman from Boston Sam mentions in his wrap-up of the storyline, who comes to Collinwood and eventually marries Liz, would have been this person.
It would have been fun to have had Mrs Johnson's daughter come for a visit. Characters we only saw once but needed to see a lot more of--Portia Fitzsimmons tops the list!
G.
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Aye Gothick, that be Ned Calder. Not sure why I added the pirate accent, but there it is.
There were also all those Collins ancestors mentioned at various times when people were gazing at portraits, letters, family histories, etc.. Abner Collins, Caleb Collins, Isaac Collins, etc.
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In 1795, Natalie refers to her late sister-in-law (Andre's wife and Josette's mother) Marie DuPres!
And let's not forget the most legendary offscreen character of the pre-Barnabas episodes: Ned Calder- who was a bigwig at Collins Enterprises until Liz turned down his marriage proposal and he left town in a huff. Also from this time period: Betty Hanscomb(e) (who was probably Vicki's birth mother) and her father B. Hanscomb(e) [what is the actual spelling?], a former Collins butler who was the man that Roger ran down with the car and framed Burke for his death.
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Characters we only saw once but needed to see a lot more of--Portia Fitzsimmons tops the list!
Ah, yes! The marvelous Portia Fitzsimmons, played by the equally marvelous Lovelady Powell.
Another character mentioned but never seen is Niall (sp?) Bradford, Barnabas's alleged cousin. And what about the mysterious owner of the monogrammed handkerchief that Vicki found in that house she and Burke were going to buy? I'd love to know how that storyline would have played out.
And then there's Julia's identical twin sister, the larger-than-life Broadway diva who made Auntie Mame seem reserved...oh, wait...never mind...
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How 'bout Quentin's daughter Lenore? Or his unnamed son [spoiler]that died[/spoiler]
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Jean-Claude,
I know it's absurdly romantic of me, but I always thought that handkerchief Vicki found belonged to Flora Collins. The initials on it do work, presuming Flora had a Scots maiden name (I always thought the Collins ancestral home was Scotland or Ireland, btw).
G.
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Ive felt the same way, though she did live in Rose Cottage. Perhaps the owner of the handkerchief was one of the Collinses who were around between 1841-1897 like Edith's children and their spouses (one of those kids fathered Judith, Edward, Carl and Quentin). More than likely a relation to Seaview's last owner, the supposedly eccentric bachelor Caleb Sayers Collins, who died in 1871 and left instructions in his will that only Collinses could live in the house for the first hundred years after his death. That's why Burke was unable to buy Seaview from Elizabeth as a wedding present for Vicki. I bet he was one of Gabriel and Edith's offscreen children who were away at boarding school when the events of 1840-41 took place. So, in a nutshell, Quentin Collins II's uncle was the master of Seaview.
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In the episode I'm watching Quentin just mentioned Evan Hanley's wife. He's married? They never mention her again, nor do we ever see her.
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the infamous Aunt Katherine of unknown lineage whom Carolyn balks at going to visit while she's under Barnabas' power in Ep #354. Apparently the woman is not a Collins because when Barnabas talks about the Collins family in Ep #218, he says that the only remaining members of the family are the people presently living at Collinwood and neither Liz nor Roger disputes that. (Though, of course, who's to say that six months later the writers would have even remembered having had Barnabas say that? ::)) And presumably she isn't a Stoddard because, given 1) their attitude towards Paul, and 2) the fact that Carolyn states she never had any way to learn about her father beyond what Liz and Roger ever told her, it seems higly unlikely they associated with members of the Stoddard family.
My best guess is that perhaps Katherine was Liz and Roger's mother's sister - an aging dowager enjoying her final days in her Boston home/apartment. Or perhaps she was simply an older family friend whom out of respect the Collinses merely referred to as "Aunt" because of the closeness of their relationship but who was really of no blood relation whatsoever.
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Perhaps Aunt Katherine was Nora's daughter, though she was probably the sister of Liz and Roger's mother.
Richard Garner became one of the never seen but occasionally mentioned after 1967.
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During the Adam storyline, [spoiler]when Angelique sends Eve back to 1795 so she can hit on Peter Bradford,[/spoiler] she arrives at the jail and the jailor announces that a woman named "Gloria Winters" has recently been hung. LOL. Never saw Gloria.
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During the Adam storyline, [spoiler]when Angelique sends Eve back to 1795 so she can hit on Peter Bradford,[/spoiler] she arrives at the jail and the jailor announces that a woman named "Gloria Winters" has recently been hung. LOL. Never saw Gloria.
::laughing:: I thought I heard him say that but then figured maybe he didn't, glad to know I'm not going crazy.
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Ben Stokes' wife, son, and daughter-in-law, [spoiler]all deceased by the 1840 storyline[/spoiler]and he must have had a grandson somewhere too, to become the lineal ancestor of Professor Stokes. Also would have liked to see the wife of the original Rev. Trask [spoiler]who was not mentioned in 1795, or as a person in 1897, until the 1840 story when son Lamar spoke of her.[/spoiler]
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What about the Oscar Collins mentioned in the letter from Quentin to Jamison that Barnabas and Julia found in 1968? We never saw him...and don't forget of course the leviathin creature who has never actually appeared to us!
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How about Maggie's Aunt Loiuse that she was [spoiler]supposedly visiting in Montreal when Jeb was actually holding her captive in the secret crypt?[/spoiler]
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What about the Oscar Collins mentioned in the letter from Quentin to Jamison
According to the DS Almanacs, Edward was originally named Oscar. :)
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I read Craig Hamrick's biography of Louis Edmonds last week, and was shocked to learn that Carol Burnett asked to be briefly written into All My Children in 1983. She never did anything of the sort for Dark Shadows! I'm sure she could have done a nice job as Evan Handley's extravagant wife - assuming that Zsa Zsa Gabor didn't beat her out in auditions. Which brings me to the reason for my post: whom would we like to have seen playing all these uncast roles? And shouldn't there have been a series of celebrity cameos for Barnabas's dockside victims? Not to mention a special guest appearance by Elsie the Cow.
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Aunt Katherine could have been played by an eccentric character actress like Estelle Winwood. Alexandra Moltke could have played Betty Hanscomb, giving her another role to play as she wanted. She could have been aged with make-up. 8)
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whom would we like to have seen playing all these uncast roles? And shouldn't there have been a series of celebrity cameos for Barnabas's dockside victims?
Well, Marsha Mason played a dockside hooker during the Leviathan storyline.
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Well, Marsha Mason played a dockside hooker during the Leviathan storyline.
True - but she was a virtual unknown at the time.
Joanne Woodward was a DS fan. Can you imagine if she had done a cameo as one of Barnabas' floozies? ;)
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Joanne Woodward was a DS fan. Can you imagine if she had done a cameo as one of Barnabas' floozies? ;)
I'd much rather her husband (Paul Newman) had done a cameo as one of Julia's patients. Imagine the tight close-ups of those beautiful eyes being hypnotized....... ;)
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I read Craig Hamrick's biography of Louis Edmonds last week, and was shocked to learn that Carol Burnett asked to be briefly written into All My Children in 1983. She never did anything of the sort for Dark Shadows! I'm sure she could have done a nice job as Evan Handley's extravagant wife - assuming that Zsa Zsa Gabor didn't beat her out in auditions. Which brings me to the reason for my post: whom would we like to have seen playing all these uncast roles? And shouldn't there have been a series of celebrity cameos for Barnabas's dockside victims? Not to mention a special guest appearance by Elsie the Cow.
Wow, there are absolutely so many actresses (or actors?) who could have portrayed Barnabas' seemingly-innumerable dockside victims! How about such current-day, acting "legends" as:
Paris Hilton
Carmen Electra
Janene Garafolo (sp?)
Jennifer Lopez
Demi Moore-Kutcher (?)
Courtney Love
Star Jones
Jenny McCarthy
Jodi Sweetin (from, I believe, "Full House")
Anna Nicole Smith
Yasmeen Bleeth (sp? From the "timeless" and "immortal" crime series, "Nash Bridges")
Joy Behar
Mariah Carey
Katie Couric (a/ka/ "THE Princess of Perkiness!")
As to a current day male actor, who could have portrayed a short-lived D.S. character, how about, as that clueless, almost completely vacuous pretty-boy-creation of the renowned/magically-talented artist, Mr. Charles Delaware Tate, the equally clueless, vacuous, and, I might add, completely self-absorbed "star" of "classic" Sci-Fi Channel "original" movies, the one-and-only, Mr. Richard Grieco!?! >:D
Bob the Bartender, President of the Sonny Tufts AND Zasu Pitts Fan Clubs! ;D ;) :D ::)
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I read Craig Hamrick's biography of Louis Edmonds last week, and was shocked to learn that Carol Burnett asked to be briefly written into All My Children in 1983. She never did anything of the sort for Dark Shadows!
Carol Burnett was/is a huge fan of AMC, that's why she wanted to be on it. Don't know if she was a fan of DS, but I'm guessing no and that's why she didn't ask to be on it. Plus the fact that she probably didn't have the kind of clout she did, and still does, in 1983 in the 60's when DS was on the air. Just my two cents. ;)
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I hope that this exercise hasn't been done before. I thought it would be interesting to list the "characters" that were mentioned on the show but never seen. This has happened several times during the 1970 PT plotline that I am currently watching. One character mentioned, and I assume will never be shown, is Maggie's sister. During the course of the show, I'm sure there have been many others. So, anyone want to start naming names?
jennifer evans (my aka) wasn't she just in 1970PT?
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Joanne Woodward was a DS fan. Can you imagine if she had done a cameo as one of Barnabas' floozies? ;)
I'd much rather her husband (Paul Newman) had done a cameo as one of Julia's patients. Imagine the tight close-ups of those beautiful eyes being hypnotized....... ;)
Oh I think Paul Newman has got to be the sexiest man out there in Hollywood. [hall2_wink]
I could imagine Paul coming onto the show as a potential love interest for Julia....thus stoking Barnabas' jealous and arousing his true feelings for her. [hall2_wink]
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bette davis should have done a stint on the show.
she'd have been a great julia. (i know, i know......)
or Elizabeth,
or Mrs. Johnson,
or Sam Evans......
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bette davis should have done a stint on the show.
she'd have been a great julia. (i know, i know......)
or Elizabeth,
or Mrs. Johnson,
or Sam Evans......
Maybe as Mrs. Johnson. Mrs. Johnson was one tough cookie (but a lovable one too). Bette Davis was famous for playing tough cookies.
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Simon Briar (?), Minerva Trask's late brother, whose death was somehow connected to Rachel Drummond and Tim Shaw. According to Minerva, he was the finest man that ever lived. That I'd have to see.
Also, Eliot Stokes' brother who was Hallie's father.
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In 1795, Natalie refers to her late sister-in-law (Andre's wife and Josette's mother) Marie DuPres!
If you count the extended canon, she does finally appear in the Big Finish Production "The Chrimson Pearl", played by KLS.
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What about the Oscar Collins mentioned in the letter from Quentin to Jamison that Barnabas and Julia found in 1968? We never saw him...
Oscar was the original name chosen for Edward, just as Molly was the original name for Amy.
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Gerald Soames, Lady Kitty's husband, who was involved with Count Petofi
Mr. Drew in 1840, just to see what kind of man considered Lamar Trask to be an ideal match for his daughter
Mrs. Timothy Stokes from PT. I don't think she was dead, just gone. What exactly drove her away?
The Jennings parents
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Mrs. Timothy Stokes from PT. I don't think she was dead, just gone. What exactly drove her away?
You mean it wasn't Tim?
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Well, that's a logical assumption but, barring any further information, just an assumption. It might be interesting to see how long she stayed in the marriage. Did she try to counter the influence of her husband and his sister. Obviously, it didn't work with Angelique but I would have liked to see how the family dynamic affected Alexis.