DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '26 I => Polls Archive => Topic started by: TNickey2003 on January 02, 2006, 06:13:16 PM
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Q-man poll.
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Ghost of Quentin in 1969
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1897 Quentin for me. The cad, the werewolf, the immortal. 1897 is when Quentin was at his most interesting. I like how the character changes from the beginning to the end of the storyline.
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Great! One of my favorite subjects to discuss -- His Quentinness! [crowdhappy]. I chose the 1897 as well, and for about the same reasons as Barnabas's Bride -- the scoundrel, rake, textbook antihero from a Victorian melodrama is a facinating character in all his contradictions and complexities. [gramophone]
Again, the change in the character, the way he grows and develops, SUGGESTS many of the classic characters such as Heathcliff, Mr. Rochester and Rhett Butler, yet he remains a distinct character not a one dimentional copy of any of them. To me -- and no offense is meant toward Barnabas and his fans -- the spoilt brat rich boy who learns thru tragedy that actions have consequences and that he is responsible for his actions is a more interesting person than a good and decent young man made victim of a curse that, by his society's standards, he did almost nothing to warrant. [vampy]
I'm probably biased as I spent a lot of time active in Star Wars fandom, where a major part of the discussion and fanfiction revolves around Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey, and the progression of a character toward self knowledge. Quentin fits this model better than Barnabas or even Angelique. For instance, there is the oft mentioned scene with his brother Carl, where Quentin is faced with a moral choice and chooses self interest. Later, faced with the same choice with Barnabas, he chooses the right thing over the one that will solve his current problem. [undg]
The self absorbed rake becomes, by the last time we see him in 1897, a man who has been willing to sacrifice himself and his happiness to do the right thing by others. Not a hero, not a white knight reformed in an instant of revelation, but a man who can be good or evil depending on circumstances, but whose tragedy is that he learned his lessons too late to prevent the loss of all that he learned he truly valued. [tearyeyed]
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I agree with you on Quentin changing over the course of 1897. I think he's an example of very good character development on DS. As things start happening, you watch him begin to change.
Of course I adore Barnabas, but I also like Quentin a lot, and I like that he's different than Barnabas when the story gets to 1897. They didn't just copy their earlier development with Barnabas in 1795, they made Quentin a very different man and his journey is different too. I like that. I always like watching them on screen together (as enemies and as allies) because they were so different, though they were both cursed.
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I chose the Quentin of 1897 (inebriated). He seemed like a real, flesh-and-blood person. Although I also was fascinated by the Quentin who built the stairway through time - I forget which storyline, 1840?
Also liked the evil ghost Quentin of 1970, and the evil character called back by the children and Daphne Harridge (was THAT 1840? Was he even Quentin?!? my memory is slipping ...).
Interesting discussion about the hero's quest in the previous two comments - I have always looked at Barnabas in that role, and hadn't thought of Quentin in that way.
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i chose the Quentin of 1897 but as others here will agree any Quentin will do heehee
but do love it when we first get to see Quentin talk in 1897 and are trying to decide
what his game is. i love him with Judith great scenes and acting and that smile and dimples
the guy still has it [santa_grin] he was great in that diaster ben alleck christmas movie last year [santa_thumb]
jennifer
love Quentin with Beth the best [santa_smiley]
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I voted for both Quentin's ghost (the most ominous of the ghosts to plague Collinwood, IMO) and also for human Quentin of 1897. The latter seemed to be the most multi-layered and unpredictable version of Quentin. Not on the original list is insane Quentin of 1995, whom I like simply because he represents such a drastic change from the swaggering scalawag we first met. Futuristic Quentin is a broken, haunted man, and his appearances represent some of Selby's finest work on the series.
ProfStokes
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I agree about insane, future Quentin. I loved how he would go from seemingly sane to this broken madness and Selby really made that work. That whole segment was really chilling.
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I also vote for 1897 Quentin.
He had more supernatural stuff happened to him
then any DS character.
He was a ghost, killed and turned into a zombie,
had his face distorted by Petofi's hand, turned
into a werewolf, partly cured by the portrait and
displaced from his body and put into Petofi's body.
!897 had so much happening. Can you tell that is my
favorite storyline? lol
[8_2_59]
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Ah, Quentin. My favorite subject. :P
I find his most interesting characterizations to be as Q-ghost (menacing yet capable of making adolescent girls swoon), the Q-man we meet in 1897 (inebriated, cuz when was the human Quentin ever sober?), and as Q-wolf, because characters who remain all bad rarely stay interesting after an extended period. I thought the emergence of a remorseful Quentin was at least as believable and well written as the similar change in Barnabas.
I threw in Q-NoDS because I love that movie.
The mind switch with Petofi was superbly acted by both Selby and T. David, but it's no wonder that it took a psychic like Pansy Faye to keep them straight. I mean, you have Quentin possessed by Petofi confronting Petofi possessed by Quentin and... oh, never mind.
Q-zombie seemed like an excuse for the writers to rip off "I Walked With a Zombie."
Hate hate hate modern (1970) PT Quentin. He acted more like a Q-child than a man.
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The edit button was working today so I added Quentin 1995 as an option.
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Respectfully, Midnite... the bodyswap acting killed it for me, despite my love for 1897 up until that point. D Selby was not totally unbelievabvle, but Thayer was. As great as TD ordinarily was. He made no attempt to give up his distinctive Petofi speech.
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By far the 1897 Quentin was the most entertaining original charecter. All the other incarnations were a dull Lord of the Manor role which must have started to bore David Selby by the end.
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I love the original Quentin! Love him as a ghost, love him as the human drunken skirt chaser, love him when he is cursed, love him when he starts to gain a conscience. What's not to love. David Selby is a great actor, and he is so hot.
Now I don't like what the writers did to him in the present; they were able to make him boring. How could they waste his character like that?
Didn't like the parallel-time Quentin either, he was too boring, but still nice to see David Selby.
I love the 1995 crazy Quentin; he was very fun to watch, and it seemed like payback for having driven poor Jenny mad. I voted before this Quentin was added to the poll, so I couldn't vote for him.
I also didn't like the 1840 Quentin. I'd have liked to have seen Jonathan Frid play this character, and have Julia and Quentin go back to fix things. Maybe then the writers could have written Quentin interesting again.
Misa
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It seemed that they didn't know what to do with him once they got him to the present. I mean, he's there on screen, but they don't utilize him the way I'd think they would based on the character's [and actor's] popularity. He just meanders around for the most part.
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Ah if there was an all of the above option....
Still, I voted for Quentin's ghost. He was just so damn sinister! That storyline still is one of my favorites in the entire series.
You *have* to love 1897 living Quentin, it's just a law or something.
Post 1897 they just didn't know what to do with him really. Anyone remember the "star" speech he gave trying to save David and Hallie from Gerard? God, I only saw it once and I still remember cringing all the way through it.
1995 Quentin was just great. I mean fantastic. You really felt sorry for him, total 180 of the way we knew him to be. Carolyn maybe you could see falling down that road, maybe not the crocheted house coat, but after her disastrous marriage to Cthulhu she might turn a bit hermitous.
And 1840 just ranks right up there in favorite storyline category for me so....
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i haven't seen the show all the way through so i really can't vote but i agree with some of what is being said about this character.
as a malevolent ghost quentin collins carried that storyline completely.obviously he was pivotal during the 1897 storyline.nearly everything that happened somehow revolved around him.
but from what i've seen of the post-1897 storyline they didn't really come up with a compelling raison d'etre for the character other than the fact that the actor that played him had become tremendously popular.after the amanda harris business the character seems sort of adrift.with jeb hawkes as the show's new bad-ass things got a bit top-heavy. :P
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Quentin Collins so kool, and funny. I love him as the ghost!! Especially when he stands up at the top of the stairs and laughs. Him Swithing bodies is AWSOME!!! I love him as grant douglas. Its so kool when he gets into a fight with jeb hawkes!!! And i love him during 1840 parell time especially when [spoiler]he goes on trial for witchcraft.[/spoiler]By the way he played THE BEST DRUNK ON THE SHOW!!!!
Evan
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By the way he played THE BEST DRUNK ON THE SHOW!!!!
Hmmm, not sure I agree, Roger would be my choice! >:D Naomi would place 3rd behind Quentin IMHO.
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I still consider some of Quentin's drunken reactions and lines to be harrowingly funny. His drunken reactions to Magda were priceless! Early Quentin 1897 was by far one of the most wittily written characters ever to grace the screen on DS. He was the intellectual equal of a rather sharp Judith, could trade barbs with Edward and seduce the apron right off any barmaid in Collinsport!
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He could trade barbs with Edward
How true! One of my favorite scenes between the two of them is [spoiler]when he says to Edward something like, "You are everything the rest of us are not Edward. You're solid, stalwart and proper. And your mind is hermedically sealed!" or something along those lines, can't remember the exact phrasing.[/spoiler] I laughed SO hard the first time I ever saw that scene! ;)
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Nothing was "hermetically sealed" yet in 1897 yet, was it? Good line though. I identify very much with the sarcastic smartassism of Q.
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Nothing was "hermetically sealed" yet in 1897 yet, was it?
Pyramids. Parts of them, anyway.
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Hi -- I was glad to see that this topic was still active. Leaving out the gory details, I got sick soon after posting on this thread, apparently never got over it properly and had a second bout of THE RESPIRTORY INFECTION THAT WILL NOT DIE which still has me home from work on temporary disability. Haven't felt up to coming over and posting till now. Just wanted everyone to know it was neither the company nor the conversation that's kept me quiet since the beginning of the year.
Interesting discussion about the hero's quest in the previous two comments - I have always looked at Barnabas in that role, and hadn't thought of Quentin in that way.
The way I look at it is similar to the differences between Luke and Anakin Skywalker. Barnabas is more like Luke -- the good decent person who ends up facing his demons through situations not of his making. Anakin has a lot in common with our rash, self absorbed, devil take the consequences Quentin. He caused his own fall through his own acts, his own tragic flaws. Both are on the Hero's Journey but take very different paths due to their differing personalities.
The mind switch with Petofi was superbly acted by both Selby and T. David, but it's no wonder that it took a psychic like Pansy Faye to keep them straight. I mean, you have Quentin possessed by Petofi confronting Petofi possessed by Quentin and... oh, never mind.
Yes they did a great job with that. I keep meaning to look up the respective production dates to see if Trek's "Turnabout Intruder" ep with Kirk mindswitched with a woman came before or after this storyline.
Hate hate hate modern (1970) PT Quentin. He acted more like a Q-child than a man.
That was definitely a waste of an interesting character. Given the nature of the Leviathan threat, AND the fact that Quentin had supposedly been searching for the cure to his curse since 1897 coupled with his preexisting supernatural knowledge, he should have had WAY more to do. It would be very surprizing to me if in all that time he hadn't increased his knowledge of the supernatural markedly, not to mention develop contacts with as much if not more knowledge than he had.
I keep getting this evil mental image of Stokes calling in his old doctoral advisor, one Dr. Henry Jones Jr. And Indy happening to be an old buddy of Quentin's from some supernatural scrape or other.....
I love the 1995 crazy Quentin; he was very fun to watch, and it seemed like payback for having driven poor Jenny mad.
The thought that occurs to me is if the guilt drove him mad that time, why didn't he have a complete breakdown after 1897? If he wasn't a poster boy for post traumatic stress disorder I don't know who would be. And at that stage of the game he was self aware enough to know it was all due to him and, as he says in the scene with Beth's ghost, he can't forgive himself. Seems like a recipe for going mad to escape memories he couldnt bear, at least to me.
I still consider some of Quentin's drunken reactions and lines to be harrowingly funny. His drunken reactions to Magda were priceless! Early Quentin 1897 was by far one of the most wittily written characters ever to grace the screen on DS. He was the intellectual equal of a rather sharp Judith, could trade barbs with Edward and seduce the apron right off any barmaid in Collinsport!
Two great points there -- this Quentin is one of the most INTELLIGENT characters written on DS. Once things started happening, he immediately started reasearching and trying to reason his way out. Of course from beginning to end of 1897 they also show him as articulate and quick witted as well as someone who thinks on his feet.
As to the drinking, Selby does an excellent job acting that. It makes me think of something I was once told by a friend who was a child actor, and whose Dad was a Broadway actor for many years. The trick to acting drunk is not falling over the place. Many play it as a sober actor desperately trying to portray drunken behaviour. A good actor (and Selby apparently uses this techinque) is to play a drunk person desperately trying to convince the world they are sober. That's exactly what I see when I see that scene with Magda on the stairs.
Jeannie