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General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '26 I => Polls Archive => Topic started by: TNickey2003 on November 19, 2005, 03:12:44 AM
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New poll for DS Forums.
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Portrait of Quentin Collins (aged, disfigured)
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My picks were Josette (normal) and Barnabas. Also facinating and mysterious to me is the portrait of Betty Hanscomb because of the resemblance to Vicky. 8)
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I loved the portrait of Laura Collins and David in the pre-Barnabas episodes. This was the portrait that Sam began (and Josette's ghost finished) to illustrate his visions of Phoenix Laura and David burning. The images and their symbolism are fascinating (and, I imagine, would have looked quite eye-catching in color). The fact that the painting screamed when Roger burned it was especially creepy.
ProfStokes
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so true prof.i forgot about that painting.
i remember laura's giant head coming out of it too.that picture caused so much drama!
i think sam did another one didn't he?the one that burned when laura caused sam to set himself on fire.
someday i really want to go back and re-watch this storyline.
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I pick Betty Hascomb's portrait also. That one was never explained.
Julianka
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While each of these portraits holds a fascination for me, I picked Quentin's Portrait as a werewolf. I always wondered, in the present time, what the transformed werewolf looked like. Since the human version of Quentin looked so horrific and ancient, I shudder to imagine what the werewolf version might have looked like. Once again, I have to point to Charles Delaware Troll's fanfic opus where he describes it as - "a half-decayed and rotting white haired werewolf with one eyeball missing..." Icky.
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I forgot about Betty's portrait or I would have checked other too, I picked Josette's original Portrait, Barnabas', 1967 portrait, and Angelique PT.
Even though I didn't like PT that much I loved the portrait and the beginning of the story seemed really spooky with that painting.
While I liked the original painting of Barnabas, I really liked the painting from 1967 better. It was so creepy that while Sam was painting it, Barnabas was draining Maggie and causing her to change. (This painting was also a better likeness as well)
And then of course Josette's portrait was so wonderful, I loved the way it was used in the beginning with her ghost stepping out of it. The way David told people about her ghost and showed them the painting. Then how distressed he was when Barnabas moved it.
It was also a very sad looking picture, didn't Josette look sad?
As to Quentin's portrait, I always thought that the werewolf, being a supernatural creature, wouldn't have aged at all. And because the werewolf hadn't been able to exist except in the painting on a full moon, it (the werewolf) wouldn't have sustained any damage, so no missing eye either. Anyway that's my opinion.
Misa
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I pick Betty Hascomb's portrait also. That one was never explained.
They started to "hint" that this woman was Vickie's mother, but dropped that whole plotline when Barnabas was introduced. This is the one thing about DS that completely vexes me! I'm pissed they never finished that thread! Then, to add insult to injury, they have that portrait suddenly re-appear in Maggie's cottage after Sam had given it to Vickie and she'd taken it to Collinwood! >:(
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so true buzz.
it vexed me as well that this plotline was never resolved.they "hint" that betty hanscomb was vicki's mother.at the same time they "hint" that liz was vicki's mother.i don't think the writers themselves knew and then the whole show went in a different direction anyways.
it always amused me when that picture was seen back at the evans' cottage.i remember nicholas blair casually eyeing it.no one ever mentions that it's vicki! ::)
a policy of "waste not want not" must have been in effect with the props department.
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i don't think the writers themselves knew
Actually they did. Before the show was cast, the plan in Art Wallace's bible was for Paul Stoddard to be Vicki's father with some woman not on the show. However, once Alexandra was cast and they noticed her resemblance to Joan, the plan quickly changed to Liz being Vicki's mother. Sadly though, even though Liz and Vicki share what could definitely be considered mother/daughter scenes (particularly the ones dealing with Vicki's aborted November of 1968 wedding), it's amazingly frustrating that the show never comes out and confirms that Liz is Vicki's mother. >:( (Supposedly, however, the '91 series planned to reveal their real relationship - but that show was canceled before it could. >:()
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Actually they did. Before the show was cast, the plan in Art Wallace's bible was for Paul Stoddard to be Vicki's father with some woman not on the show. However, once Alexandra was cast and they noticed her resemblance to Joan, the plan quickly changed to Liz being Vicki's mother. Sadly though, even though Liz and Vicki share what could definitely be considered mother/daughter scenes (particularly the ones dealing with Vicki's aborted November of 1968 wedding), it's amazingly frustrating that the show never comes out and confirms that Liz is Vicki's mother. >:( (Supposedly, however, the '91 series planned to reveal their real relationship - but that show was canceled before it could. >:()
And actually, both Joan Bennett and Ron Sproat said that Vickie was Liz's daughter. I think Betty Hanscombe's father, the Collins butler, was supposed to be the father, which explains why she looks like Betty (her aunt) and why Liz's father (supposedly) sent the girl away. The SCANDAL of his daughter screwing the butler was just too much, LOL! :P
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it's true that liz and vicki share several scenes that have a real "mother/daughter" quality.in some ways liz is more tender with vicki than she is with carolyn whom she can become quite exasperated with.
the scenes dealing with vicki and jeff's ill-fated wedding are made even more bittersweet in that they are also alexandra's final episodes. :(
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As to Quentin's portrait, I always thought that the werewolf, being a supernatural creature, wouldn't have aged at all.
That's an excellent point. It definitely makes sense.
As for the Betty Hanscombe painting, it also bothered me that they never followed through with that plot thread. I wish they could have at least had Liz spill the beans at some point - even if it was to Carolyn or to Roger. Ah well.
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Thay had a hell of a lot of paintings on this show.
I just thought i'd contribute something.
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My favorites are Josette's and the Barnabas's from 1795. I loved Josette stepping out of her portrait.
I thought Quentin's was pretty fascinating because of the power it holds (ages, turns into the werewolf).
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One painting that I found interesting if not particularly mysterious or creepy, etc., was the one of the children Tad and Carrie in 1840. Because it's certainly unusual for the heir of the town's richest family, of any age and in any time, to have a portrait (not exactly a quick, chance snapshot) painted with the grand-daughter of a former family servant. No matter how trusted with family secrets the former servant was, and no matter how friendly the children were. One's left to wonder whose idea that painting was supposed to be.
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I don't recall the portrait of Tad and Carrie, does anyone have a screen capture of it?
Misa
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I am the most fascinated by the "normal" painting of Josette Dupres. It was all the more chilling in that it was so innocent and mild looking. What's so interesting is that (one could argue) it seemed to represent Josette's subconscious and had a life of its own. I don't recall in 1795 Josette connecting to it one way or another, and in 1897 when it was tormenting Kitty, if Kitty was actually Josette reincarnation, Kitty was terrified by it, and when they swirled back to 1795 Josette/Kitty (if she was the reincarnation) were just as bewildered and disassociated when talking about it.
I am a bit confused by Barnabas' painting as it was done while he was still living yet it's rather hostile. Wasn't the living Barnabas a good natured easy-going guy? I could see it more as a post vampire-Barnie painting instead.
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There was also that episode where Josette aka Lady Kitty Hampshire steps IN to her portrait, takes Barnabas' hand, and takes him to 1796 with her.
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I am a bit confused by Barnabas' painting as it was done while he was still living yet it's rather hostile. Wasn't the living Barnabas a good natured easy-going guy? I could see it more as a post vampire-Barnie painting instead.
I agree Stefan, this portrait is horrible. It's unfortunate that they didn't paint it after Frid was hired. Oh I know they put the face in afterwards, but before he was hired Bob Costello sat for the bulk of it and as he was going bald he did one of those narly "comb-overs" of what hair he had left, hence the triangle bangs on Barnabas that I've always hated. I loved it when turning on an ep after Jonathan had had a recent haircut and the bangs were gone. He looks MUCH better w/out them (1897 for example, or when he first appears on the show).
It also would have been nice if they'd known from the start that Barnabas was going to stay longer than 13 weeks, w/the "flashback" to his kinder, more gentler days, so that we could have gotten the proper portrait, one of a sweet-natured young man w/kinder eyes. Remember that before they decided to keep him around and do that plotline that he was somewhat of a rich bastard who stole, or attempted at least, his uncles young new wife w/out any conscience. That persona fits the existing portrait, but once they decided to make him the victim, it doesn't work anymore.
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Had another thought, I like to think that the Barnabas of PT, aka Bramwell's father, had better hair! LOL! Maybe like his son who had AWESOME hair! ;D
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I don't recall the portrait of Tad and Carrie, does anyone have a screen capture of it?
D_Friedlander would need to provide more information about it. She may be referring to the painting that hung in the playroom, but I don't recall that its subjects were ever said to be Tad and Carrie.
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I was always fond of Barnabas's cool Napaleon hair... it established visually right away that he was from another time.
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I was always fond of Barnabas's cool Napaleon hair... it established visually right away that he was from another time.
I also dig the pointy bangs. :)
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I don't recall the portrait of Tad and Carrie, does anyone have a screen capture of it?
D_Friedlander would need to provide more information about it. She may be referring to the painting that hung in the playroom, but I don't recall that its subjects were ever said to be Tad and Carrie.
I think they showed it once--- it was a blonde little girl and dark-haired little boy, in the playroom, IIRC, seen behind Samantha when she first went in there and explained why she kept the childish toys for the son she believed dead. Given that the original story was supposed to be about Tad and Carrie and their encounters with Gerard, I assumed that's who the kids were. But then the story moved out of that setting completely, and David Henesy was soon gone, so it just went away.
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I think they showed it once--- it was a blonde little girl and dark-haired little boy, in the playroom, IIRC, seen behind Samantha when she first went in there and explained why she kept the childish toys for the son she believed dead. Given that the original story was supposed to be about Tad and Carrie and their encounters with Gerard, I assumed that's who the kids were.
On DS (and particularly in real life ;)) it's very dangerous to assume. [b003]
That portrait is seen in 1995, 1970 and 1840 (even after the scene with Samantha), but we're never actually told that it's a portrait of Tad and Carrie. That might have been what they were trying to imply - but for all we know it could have conceivably been a portrait of any Collins children - perhaps even two of Gabriel and Edith's unseen children...