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Title: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: michael c on January 15, 2005, 01:43:14 AM
have you guys seen this?i found a new book today called "what were they thinking?the 100 dumbest events in televsion history"by david hofstede.it just came out i think.

taking pride of place along such gems as "supertrain" and "pink lady and jeff" at #61 is the dark shadow's leviathan story. :-X
the chapter is actually quite praiseworthy of the show itself.it comments on strong writing and specifically the performances of johnathan,nancy,kathryn and lara.it notes the show's enduring popularity and goes so far as to say that when the show was right it was "as good as anything on television"(i get the feeling mr.hofstede might be a fan). ;)
but then goes on to say that after the "triumphant 1897 flashback" the show gambles on a plot that spelled the beginning of the end.it calls the story "dull,poorly-paced even by soap standards" and complains that popular characters like quentin and angelique were relegated to the sidelines.it took several confusing turns before "ending as an afterthought".yikes!
it ends by saying that the show had a few late bursts of creativity(1970PT)but never really recovered in the ratings and was cancelled a year later "though thankfully it never really went away". :-*

it always amazes me when the show comes up in a mainstream publication...and not just the show itself but specific characters and plot-twists.there might be more of "us" out there than we think.
anyhow,the book is a hoot with or without the d.s. chapter.give it a look. :P
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Maybellique on January 15, 2005, 03:33:05 AM
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the chapter is actually quite praiseworthy of the show itself.it comments on strong writing and specifically the performances of johnathan,nancy,kathryn and lara.

Then the man must be blind. He forgot to mention Karlen. :-p

    I still don't get that leviathan storyline... what exactly happened during that time? ~DJ
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Raineypark on January 15, 2005, 03:54:18 AM
what exactly happened during that time? ~DJ

Nothing even remotely worthy of being included among the dumbest things ever done on television.

It was a loopy dip into the waters of Lovecraftian Sci Fi that never should have happened.....but did.  Eventually someone at DS woke up, looked around, and said "What the hell....?"....and it all went away again.

 ::)
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Midnite on January 15, 2005, 05:15:31 AM
Thanks, mscbryk!

(i get the feeling mr.hofstede might be a fan). ;)

LOL.  He made an appearance at the L.A. Fest in 2000.  While he was plugging his "Charlie's Angels Casebook" at KLS' table, his reviews of the DS tapes (the early eps in the '97 TWODS and the rest plus the specialty videos in his book "DS Video Reviews") were on sale in the dealer's room.  I recommend the Reviews book; talk about a hoot!  He's a very funny guy.

Perhaps someday the book will be revised to coincide with the DVD numbers.  :)
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: MsCriseyde on January 15, 2005, 05:25:45 AM
I still don't get that leviathan storyline... what exactly happened during that time? ~DJ

That's precisely what those of us who've actually seen it wonder.  ;D

I couldn't summarize it if my life depended on it.
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Sandor on January 15, 2005, 09:30:57 AM
I agree with Midnite: Hofstede's "Dark Shadows Video Reviews" is quite entertaining (he rates each of the 200 MPI videotapes - 1/2 to 4 stars, including witty recaps of the storylines). He seems to favor the 1795 period, scoffs at much of the Leviathan period, but his prose is so knowing and wry, it's a fun read, even if you disagree with some of his ratings (i.e., he gave MPI Volumes 67 & 68 only 2 stars respectively - the "Tom Jennings luvs Julia Hoffman but Barnabas won't have it" segments. Grrrr! They deserved 3 stars, just for the presence of Briscoe).

Yeah, as a kid, those Leviathan episodes were quite disturbing (I used to play with my own version of the Naga box...) and as an adult they seemed campy and forced. But I stuck with the show until Hallie Stokes showed up. I always blamed her for replacing Amy, who subsequently turned into a giant blueberry in "Willie Wonka."

Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Heather on January 15, 2005, 09:57:50 AM
(i.e., he gave MPI Volumes 67 & 68 only 2 stars respectively - the "Tom Jennings luvs Julia Hoffman but Barnabas won't have it" segments. Grrrr! They deserved 3 stars, just for the presence of Briscoe).

 :o

Honestly...you tell 'em, Sandor!  :-*   Really...  ;D  lol

-Heather (unapologetically obsessed with that particular time period... The intriguing triangle featuring that kinky vampire and the reluctant yet titilated redheaded doctor - OH YEAH, baby!)

 [91a2]
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Stuart on January 15, 2005, 05:23:55 PM
The Leviathan story should have been a lot more interesting than it was.  Jonathan Frid, for instance, was turning in his best performances in ages, the stuff with the kid is deeply creepy, and some of the long-term links with 1897 were fascinating, particularly Julia tracking down Tate.

Problem is, we don't really get that story.  It starts, then the writers seem to lose confidence, and begin wildly changing track, with the result being a very random bunch of half-stories that don't really deliver what the early episodes promise.

I think also the writers didn't do much to ease the transition after spending *way* too long in 1897.  The show had hit its peak viewing figures during that time, so there were segments of the audience who had never experienced DS in the present day.  They make very few concessions for the casual audience - after nine months away, they really needed to restart the present day story afresh and reintroduce the characters properly.

Pity - it was a nice opportunity to get back-to-basics and try a fresh angle.  It could have worked great with some subtle tweaks and a little more long-term investment.
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: michael c on January 16, 2005, 01:52:14 AM
when i posted this i had no idea that mr.hofstede had any other history with the show.i thought it was just a random thing.
so he wrote a book reviewing the show?he's quite funny,i'd be interested to read it.does anyone know where it can be purchased(other than at the fest)?

b.t.w...when i mentioned the classic clunker "supertrain"(#20)i hadn't yet read its chapter.one of the co-producers of this disaster was our friend dan curtis!i don't really remember the show(probably on past my bed-time)but apparently dan's opulent vision for the train included a swimming pool and ballroom that drove the cost per episode to a stunning 1 million dollars(in 1978)! :o
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Midnite on January 16, 2005, 08:44:38 PM
when i posted this i had no idea that mr.hofstede had any other history with the show.i thought it was just a random thing.
so he wrote a book reviewing the show?he's quite funny,i'd be interested to read it.does anyone know where it can be purchased(other than at the fest)?

mscbryk,

You can order it from Kathy Resch, P.O. Box 1766, Temple City, CA  91780 <Kathleener@aol.com>.  I paid $12 at a Fest but I've misplaced her current price list so you'll need to ask what she charges plus the shipping cost.

Volumes 1 through 42 of the early eps are reviewed in TWoDS #75/76, and if you're interested you can ask if she has any more.  The reviews in this article are frank but with less humor, yet considering the material that's probably not surprising.  Here's an amusing excerpt from "The Dark Shadows Collector's Series" by David Hofstede that I bet will forever alter how you view a certain scene:

VOLUME 38:  ***
... Now that the existence of Josette has become accepted among the Collinwood folk, it was a mistake to not let her speak, except through a seance. Doing so would not break any precedent--Bill Malloy's ghost had no trouble talking, and it would have avoided awkward scenes like the one Alexandra Moltke is saddled with in episode 3. "What is it, Josette?" "David's in trouble?" "Is that what you're trying to tell me?" says a desperate Vicki, who sounds like she's in an episode of Lassie. "What is it, girl? Timmy's trapped in the well?" "Arf! Arf" As a result, one of the pivotal scenes in the phoenix storyline becomes unintentionally funny.
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 17, 2005, 06:01:30 PM
Here's an amusing excerpt from "The Dark Shadows Collector's Series" by David Hofstede that I bet will forever alter how you view a certain scene:

... "What is it, Josette?" "David's in trouble?" "Is that what you're trying to tell me?" says a desperate Vicki, who sounds like she's in an episode of Lassie. "What is it, girl? Timmy's trapped in the well?" "Arf! Arf" As a result, one of the pivotal scenes in the phoenix storyline becomes unintentionally funny.[/i]

I've never once associated that scene with Lassie - but now! Thanks a lot (to both you and David)!!  ::)


 [lol2]

Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: michael c on January 18, 2005, 01:32:43 AM
fire...bird...stone...the stone!

i rather liked vicki's communications with josette in these scenes...you just knew that when vicki smelled jasmine something was up! [Ghost00]
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: PennyDreadful on January 19, 2005, 03:15:53 AM
Nothing even remotely worthy of being included among the dumbest things ever done on television.

It was a loopy dip into the waters of Lovecraftian Sci Fi that never should have happened.....but did. 

  I always kind of dug the Leviathan sequence.  I watched it as a teenager and thought it was pretty darn freaky. I had no idea it was so reviled by a lot of the fandom until I started getting fanzines awhile back.  It wasn't my favorite storyline, but there was a lot of creepy, fun stuff going on in that story.  Hey, it''s DS so it's all cool in my book.

  For the record, Lovecraft isn't really sci-fi.  His stories are generally *very* dark gothic horror/fantasy.  The Leviathans are the DS version of Lovecraft's Old Ones (kind of like ancient evil demonic beings, but not exactly in the traditional Christian sense of the word - i.e. the Leviathans/Old Ones are not fallen angels).

 - Penny Dreadful -
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Gothick on January 20, 2005, 04:41:44 PM
As is well known, I'm a fan of the Leviathans story.  Despite the nay-sayers, I continue to maintain that it had some of the best episodes of the series--or at least some of the best scenes.  Frid's performance is tight as a drum, the character of Julia is better used than she had been since '67, they bring back Nicholas Blair, Leviathan Liz actually brings some zest back to a character that had been reduced to a sham of her former glory, etc. etc.

If Mr. Hofstede thinks all this is one of the "dumbest" things in US television history, he ought to take a cruise through the serried ranks of today's "reality" programming.  I hope he did at least mention the Anna Nicole Show.  That terrorized me more than 5 years of DS ever did!

G.
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Patti Feinberg on January 20, 2005, 08:09:26 PM
I too have a few fond moments of Leviathan.
I like that it's 'us' against 'them' (us being Julia  :-* , Qman, TLATKLS and Stokes), them being Leviathanized.

I think it was a fairly well played roll for Joan Bennett (as much as she was given).

I personally thought the Chas Delaware Troll thing duffy, but, that's just me :-*.

As usual, towards the end, I thoroughly enjoyed Nancy Barrett.

Patti
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: michael c on January 21, 2005, 01:31:04 AM
gothick, you can rest assured..."the anna nicole show" ranks in at #14. ;)
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Heather on January 21, 2005, 04:49:09 AM
As is well known, I'm a fan of the Leviathans story. Despite the nay-sayers, I continue to maintain that it had some of the best episodes of the series--or at least some of the best scenes. Frid's performance is tight as a drum, the character of Julia is better used than she had been since '67, they bring back Nicholas Blair, Leviathan Liz actually brings some zest back to a character that had been reduced to a sham of her former glory, etc. etc.

I'm one of those people that weren't too hot on the Leviathan episodes the first time I saw them, but after I got to see the series from beginning to end a few times...I must say that some of those episodes were quite enthralling.  [thumbleft] Some of it could get a tad tiring now and then, but so does almost every storyline...peaks and valleys. My general opinion is that if it's DS, its all good, ya know (chuckle).  >:D  Now of course, one thing that I loved the most, besides the confrontational and bond-reaffirming B&J moments during that time period, was how Julia became the *super doctor head private eye*...(no pun intended you wenches)...virtually keeping that family and her world together as she helped Quentin, banged heads with Barn., tried to help Chris  :'(, Carolyn--and then when she found out the terrible truth Julia's wits shined the brightest, daring to find the secrets of her friends and foes - standing by her man, so to speak, no matter what. Gotta love her!   [banana]

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I hope he did at least mention the Anna Nicole Show. That terrorized me more than 5 years of DS ever did!

Absolutely. 
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Nancy on January 21, 2005, 04:51:11 AM
If Mr. Hofstede thinks all this is one of the "dumbest" things in US television history, he ought to take a cruise through the serried ranks of today's "reality" programming.  I hope he did at least mention the Anna Nicole Show.  That terrorized me more than 5 years of DS ever did!

I'm with you, Gothick. The fascination (and success) of the reality shows mystifies me.

Nancy
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: jennifer on January 21, 2005, 03:13:20 PM
well i agree it is hardly in the dumbest group with the likes of the Dukes of Hazard and the current tv lineup
but i think that the writers just got sloppy in that storyline and not using David Selby in a better role hurt as
he was a big factor in 1897. i think Frid not wanting to be Barnabas anymore cost that show more than any storyline!

jennifer
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: stefan on January 21, 2005, 03:53:46 PM
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i think Frid not wanting to be Barnabas anymore cost that show more than any storyline!

I wonder if Frid might have continued as Barnabas for a bit longer if they had tried to wrap up his story in a logical and even poetic manner (in a sense, as with most soap operas characters are always coming back to life or popping up all over the place) but ... if they had finally put Barnabas back where he belonged - full with the memory of what happened to him as a vampire, back to 1795 before the curse and left him there to marry Josette and raise a family after, of course, a long and suspenseful battle between Barnabas/Josette and Angelique. I also would have liked to have seen Josette and Barnabas have it out over his affair with Angelique as well. Anyway, all that would have changed the history of the Collins family but it would have been fascinating.
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Maybellique on January 21, 2005, 05:58:47 PM
    The Josette I saw in the '91 version was far too dainty to have it out over Barnabas fling w/ Angelique. More than likely all she would have done was shoved the idea off to the side, if she ever caught wind of it, and lived a lie all her life. I don't know about KLS's rendition. She looked a bit less appeasing. I'm sure she would have had words with ole Barn.

     You know, on that note, there were too many stories left unresolved in that show! I guess that's what makes the better part of them fun. This way we can sit here and conjecture what might have happened next.

     I had no idea JF didn't want to play Barnabas, anymore. That's what it would have been like if Heather Locklear had refused to play Amanda on Melrose Place while it was in its prime. That's one surefire way to send a show careening down the toilet.  ~DJ
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 21, 2005, 07:28:47 PM
I had no idea JF didn't want to play Barnabas, anymore.

Actually, it's not that Frid didn't want to play Barn anymore. He didn't want to play Barn as a vampire anymore - and he wanted to be able to play characters other than Barn. He got to do the latter when he played Bramwell - but who knows what might have happened with the former had DS continued past 1841PT...
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Raineypark on January 21, 2005, 07:44:44 PM
Isn't it obvious?.... Barnabas would have gone from Dracula to Sherlock Holmes.

Can't you just picture him, with Julia as his "Dr. Watson".....solving mysteries all over Collinwood?

Well, minus the cocaince habit ...... ::)
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: jennifer on January 23, 2005, 04:30:54 PM
Isn't it obvious?.... Barnabas would have gone from Dracula to Sherlock Holmes.

Can't you just picture him, with Julia as his "Dr. Watson".....solving mysteries all over Collinwood?

Well, minus the cocaince habit ...... ::)
LOL but that might have worked Rainey  ;)
Bramwell was all right but a tad boring that storyline was the worst one to me anyway
so it's hard to judge how well Frid would have done with a less tortured Barnabas
He and Grayson were such fine actors and had a great chemistry that i would
have loved to see them do more! Alas we still have are memories and DVDs

jennifer
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Nancy on February 02, 2005, 05:09:01 PM
Sam Hall said in an interview that he never understood the Leviathan storyline.

nancy

I still don't get that leviathan storyline... what exactly happened during that time? ~DJ
That's precisely what those of us who've actually seen it wonder.  ;D

I couldn't summarize it if my life depended on it.
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: CastleBee on February 02, 2005, 06:11:46 PM
Well, minus the cocaince habit ...... ::)

I don't know Raineypark. It WAS the '70's afterall.  Had the show continued for a few more years this could have segued into the fabled DS Disco period quite well I think.

(http://castlebee.bravepages.com/disco_cwoodstyle_sm.jpg)

::)
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Patti Feinberg on February 02, 2005, 10:51:56 PM
AAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lolololololol...peeing my pants!!!!!!


Thanks!!!!

lol,

Patti
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Nancy on February 03, 2005, 04:19:00 AM
         I had no idea JF didn't want to play Barnabas, anymore. That's what it would have been like if Heather Locklear had refused to play Amanda on Melrose Place while it was in its prime. That's one surefire way to send a show careening down the toilet.  ~DJ


He wanted a chance to do what other people on the show were doing - playing other roles.  The vampire thing always bored him.  Many people comment on the versatility of Thayer David and Nancy Barrett but anyone who has seen Frid in any of his one man shows (that toured for eight years) playing a dozen different roles in two hours know he is an extremely versatile actor.  Watching him play a teenage girl his not only hysterical but convincing in one of the shows JF does.

The pace of a soap with no edits or re-takes wasn't his thing at all and besides having a heavy role on the series (on several times a week if not every day) along with doing heavy publicity Frid was just plain tired.  I remember noticing in watching the series in the 1980s how more relaxed and "with it" Frid was when I knew he had stopped doing the publicity tours all over the country and cut down on the interviews ABC wanted him to do during the day and in his off hours.  Besides all that and Frid making it clear at the time he wanted to pursue other opportunities like hosting a talk show, I strongly believe his dislike of being a celebrity and in the spotlight wore him down a lot.  He didn't intentionally retire from the business but once DS was over and he had time to himself again, it had to be wonderful from his perspective.  Unlike many actors in the business, "the work" is not everything there is to live for and be happy about where he is concerned.

Nancy
(an excerpt from her soon to be published study FIGURING FRID) j/k [crowdhappy]    
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Jackie on February 04, 2005, 08:07:38 AM
The Leviathan story should have been a lot more interesting than it was.  Jonathan Frid, for instance, was turning in his best performances in ages, the stuff with the kid is deeply creepy, and some of the long-term links with 1897 were fascinating, particularly Julia tracking down Tate.

Problem is, we don't really get that story.  It starts, then the writers seem to lose confidence, and begin wildly changing track, with the result being a very random bunch of half-stories that don't really deliver what the early episodes promise.

I think also the writers didn't do much to ease the transition after spending *way* too long in 1897.  The show had hit its peak viewing figures during that time, so there were segments of the audience who had never experienced DS in the present day.  They make very few concessions for the casual audience - after nine months away, they really needed to restart the present day story afresh and reintroduce the characters properly.

Pity - it was a nice opportunity to get back-to-basics and try a fresh angle.  It could have worked great with some subtle tweaks and a little more long-term investment.

I liked your review, Stuart.  I may be one of the few who liked this storyline UP UNTIL [spoiler]Jeb broke the alter and box.[/spoiler]  Then it went down hill for me.  The kids were spooky, Barnabas' total change in character and personality with the rest of the family, except Carolyn, was very scary.  Then it just got weird.  Like I said, there were very good parts but I was glad went it ended.  ::)
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Jackie on February 04, 2005, 08:13:14 AM
(an excerpt from her soon to be published study FIGURING FRID) j/k [crowdhappy]   

Are you REALLY writing a book?  That is way cool, Nancy.  I want to read it!

  [blob6] [91a2]  [crowdhappy] [dancing_skeletons] [thewave]
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Midnite on February 04, 2005, 08:26:15 AM
(an excerpt from her soon to be published study FIGURING FRID) j/k [crowdhappy]   

Are you REALLY writing a book?  That is way cool, Nancy.  I want to read it!

dsbarnabasfan ...

JK            =>     Just Kidding
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Jackie on February 04, 2005, 09:03:06 AM
JK            =>     Just Kidding

OH NO, she wrote it so small I missed it. [6184]  I better go back to not saying anything, then I can't stick my foot in my mouth. [wiseguy]
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: dom on February 04, 2005, 12:13:05 PM
Back in the day ( ::) ) the biggest appeal for me was that Leviathan was present day. It was my first present day storyline and it was my first introduction to Marie Wallace who I really liked as Megan Todd. The storyline didn't bother me at all. I didn't care about "stuff" like that back then. As long as the show came on and I got to watch it, I was as happy as a clam. I wasn't analytical  back then and bought it all: Hook line and sinker. And one of my favorite moments in the show's history happens during Leviathan: When Sky Rumson reveals to Julia, the portrait of his wife. :o Great Stuff!
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Nancy on February 05, 2005, 12:42:47 AM
Good heavens, no! :o

Besides, I would call such a book "The Amazing, Disappearing Frid:  The Greta Garbo of Dark Shadows" ;D

Nancy

Are you REALLY writing a book?  That is way cool, Nancy.  I want to read it!
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: PennyDreadful on February 05, 2005, 01:06:38 AM

 There's a really good (and quite positive) essay about the Leviathan storyline here...

 http://www.bloodparty.com/cafe/sotnight/bluewhale/2004/08/loving-leviathans-by-s-r-shutt.htm

~Penny Dreadful~
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 05, 2005, 02:26:34 AM
There's a really good (and quite positive) essay about the Leviathan storyline here...

No surprise there given that its author is quite possibly the biggest Leviathans fan ever.  ;D
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Gothick on February 07, 2005, 02:20:25 AM
Well, many thanks for posting that link.  I wrote that article years ago for what was supposed to have been a special Leviathans issue of Shadows of the Night print fanzine, and had not a clue that it had found its way to that website, since the editor stopped replying to my emails shortly after I submitted the article to him.

It's always nice to find out what has happened to one of "the kids" long after it left home...

G.
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: jennifer on February 09, 2005, 08:09:13 AM
It WAS the '70's afterall.  Had the show continued for a few more years this could have segued into the fabled DS Disco period quite well I think.

love that picture can't you just see them dancing to More than a Woman next!!

jennifer
next they could have done Urban cowboy!
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Patti Feinberg on February 10, 2005, 12:36:31 AM
love that picture can't you just see them dancing to More than a Woman next!!

jennifer
next they could have done Urban cowboy!

 [thewave] (line dancing)

 [happy2] [happy2] [happy2]

OMG!!!! Jennifer!!!!! aaaahhhhh!!!!!!!!!!! Barn with the white poly-3-piece suit!!!!! (now, however, Quentin in a low-buttoned crimson satin...........ooooops...better stop here!!)

Patti
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: PennyDreadful on February 10, 2005, 07:27:12 AM
Well, many thanks for posting that link.  I wrote that article years ago for what was supposed to have been a special Leviathans issue of Shadows of the Night print fanzine, and had not a clue that it had found its way to that website, since the editor stopped replying to my emails shortly after I submitted the article to him.

 Hey Gothick, I didn't realize that was your piece when I read it!  The essay was really well-written and I agree with your points.

  I remember 'Shadows of the Night'.  Dan Silvio used to do that 'zine.  It was a good fanzine too.  I remember he did one or two with a color cover, and some issues contained Collinsport Players scripts.  With the advent of the internet, has the printed 'zine started to vanish?  It seems there are less and less of them around these days.  :(

~Penny Dreadful~
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Luciaphile on February 15, 2005, 04:51:41 AM
As is well known, I'm a fan of the Leviathans story.  Despite the nay-sayers, I continue to maintain that it had some of the best episodes of the series--or at least some of the best scenes.  Frid's performance is tight as a drum, the character of Julia is better used than she had been since '67, they bring back Nicholas Blair, Leviathan Liz actually brings some zest back to a character that had been reduced to a sham of her former glory, etc. etc.

It's got its good points. I do have to say that the last time I watched the Leviathan arc, I did enjoy it far more than I ever expected to. However [cough] nothing can quite compensate us for the horror of Michael and Alexander [/cough]
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on February 15, 2005, 05:01:55 AM
Oooooo - cough tags - I wonder if I can figure out something to do with them like I was able to do with your idea for the rant tags?  [scratch]  [ideag]
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: ClaudeNorth on February 15, 2005, 05:26:45 AM
Good heavens, no! :o

Besides, I would call such a book "The Amazing, Disappearing Frid:  The Greta Garbo of Dark Shadows" ;D

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: IluvBarnabas on November 07, 2006, 09:35:19 PM
I admit I didn't get into the Leviathan storyline as a child, but now as an adult I find it very entertaining.  [spoiler]It sort of reminds me of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the characters we have gotten to know and love (such as Barnabas, Elizabeth, David) are turned into cold, unfeeling, almost zombie like. And of course we have the non-Leviathan heroes (such as Julia, Chris, Quentin and Barnabas once he broke out of his Leviathan
shell) determined to save the day.[/spoiler]

I have also found that the 1840 and 1841 PT storylines weren't as bad as others have said. Not saying they didn't have flaws, but still I found much to enjoy about them. And as much as I love Barnabas I can't really blame Jonathan for wanting to play another character. After all just about everyone else on the show got a chance to play another character so why shouldn't he?

Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: BuzzH on November 07, 2006, 10:00:53 PM
Nothing even remotely worthy of being included among the dumbest things ever done on television.  /it was a loopy dip into the waters of Lovecraftian Sci Fi that never should have happened.....but did.  Eventually someone at DS woke up, looked around, and said "What the hell....?"....and it all went away again.

As is well known, I'm a fan of the Leviathans story.  Despite the nay-sayers, I continue to maintain that it had some of the best episodes of the series--or at least some of the best scenes.  Frid's performance is tight as a drum, the character of Julia is better used than she had been since '67, they bring back Nicholas Blair, Leviathan Liz actually brings some zest back to a character that had been reduced to a sham of her former glory, etc. etc.   

I too beg to differ, I loved Leviathan!  I thought it kicked ass, for all the reasons listed above by Gothick.  And yes, David Hofstede's reviews of the tapes is HYSTERICAL!   It's a good read, and not just in the Throne Room!  ;D
Title: Re: DULL SHADOWS
Post by: Nancy on November 07, 2006, 10:58:56 PM
Today I had a business meeting and while we were waiting for some others to arrive, one of my colleagues pulled out of his briefcase two DS DVDs and show them to us and said "Do you remember Dark Shadows?  My wife saw these being sold on the internet and bought them for me."  The two other people ooohed and ahhhed over the DVDs, not being aware the show was available on DVD.  We all said we remembered the show and this guy went on and on about it, recalling the Leviathan storyline! He remembered the "ashmatic" monster nobody saw.  He loved Angelique and Barnabas.  He had to cut his memories short when the missing two people showed up and the meeting had to start.  Talk about a startle in the office! [hall2_shocked]

Nancy

I admit I didn't get into the Leviathan storyline as a child, but now as an adult I find it very entertaining.  [spoiler]It sort of reminds me of Invasion of the Body Snatchers, the characters we have gotten to know and love (such as Barnabas, Elizabeth, David) are turned into cold, unfeeling, almost zombie like. And of course we have the non-Leviathan heroes (such as Julia, Chris, Quentin and Barnabas once he broke out of his Leviathan
shell) determined to save the day.[/spoiler]

I have also found that the 1840 and 1841 PT storylines weren't as bad as others have said. Not saying they didn't have flaws, but still I found much to enjoy about them. And as much as I love Barnabas I can't really blame Jonathan for wanting to play another character. After all just about everyone else on the show got a chance to play another character so why shouldn't he?