DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '04 II => Topic started by: Patti Feinberg on November 21, 2004, 01:07:26 AM
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Okay, I have no idea if this is spoilage (and if so, if a mod could code).
I cleaned my bedroom today (strains of "Hallelujah" chorus are playing). I came across (in my pile of DS tapes, just thrown on my BR floor) an 1897. Well, I knew we're watching 1897, so, I actually am WATCHING. I haven't watched in better part of a year.
Whoooooooooo!!!!! Barn v. Laura....can it get any better??
Yup...cause then it's Laura v. ANGELIQUE!!!!!! Meow meow!!!
Man...this is sooooooo good..
Behold...it's MAGDA!!! It's Quentin!!!! It's Nora!!! It's Judith!!!
I had forgotten just how enjoyable this arc is. It's waaay over the top, but hey, so's a rollercoaster. Granted, you can't maintain this height, but it's still marvelous!!!
Going to post on a couple of other topics in regards to what I'm watching.
Go ahead people...put a tape in...then tell us what you're watching...go for it!!!
Patti
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i'm glad that 1897 is spoken so highly of...it's the next major story i have yet to watch.is it as good as 1795(which lately i've been thinking about alot)?one of the main reasons i'm looking foreward to it is the return of laura collins whom i loved from 1966.i'm trying to do the math ahead of time and for the life of me can't figure out how either laura or angelique show-up in that year(don't tell me!).i'm also looking forward to a new character for joan bennett(whom is given a weak part in the story i'm now watching...adam).
my only reservation about watching it is that it will be the first story without my sweet vic...i know i'll miss her. :'(
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i'm glad that 1897 is spoken so highly of...it's the next major story i have yet to watch.is it as good as 1795(which lately i've been thinking about alot)?
Obviously, everyone has their favorite and least favorite stories, so I can't speak for all. 1795 is very concise - there are a few side stories, but most of it hangs together very well, we get the explanation for what happened to Barnabas and get to meet Angelique.
1897 is very long and unwieldy. There is the initial main story, but that branches off into a lot of secondary stories, and then still other things are brought in and most of these threads interact. In that sense I don't find it as good as 1795, but I always marvel at how they managed to have so many disparate things happening and still manage to connect them and keep the main story going. And, most of these are very good. I think 1897 is a favorite of many. I probably rank it second to 1795.
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i'm glad that 1897 is spoken so highly of...it's the next major story i have yet to watch.is it as good as 1795
I think the opening month of 1897 is superlative ..wonderful. 8)
??? When Petofi shows up things seriously slide---but the sibling bickering between Judith, Quentin, Carl and Edward is priceless and well executed by the actors although the age range is quite staggering. .Bennett was 59 at the time and John Karlen was 33. It was fiction I know--but sheesh that's quite a spread and it is apparent---But actors always play with dates, ages, etc. For instance, Barbara Bel Gedes who played Miss Eliie on Dallas is only 7 years older than Larry Hagman! :o [/b]
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.Bennett was 59 at the time and John Karlen was 33. It was fiction I know--but sheesh that's quite a spread and it is apparent---But actors always play with dates, ages, etc. For instance, Barbara Bel Gedes who played Miss Eliie on Dallas is only 7 years older than Larry Hagman! :o
Yes, and how about 1795? Jonathan and Louis were about the same age, yet Louis was playing Frid's father :)
Bette
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yes,the age differences in 1795 were mind-boggling!no on can convince me that barnabas and sarah could have realistically been siblings.and naomi was too old to have a child sarah's age.
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1795 is very concise - there are a few side stories, but most of it hangs together very well, we get the explanation for what happened to Barnabas and get to meet Angelique.
It also has a very good combination of humour, historical awareness, drama, sadness and a bit of lust plus some remarkably "concise" and sharply drawn characters. It literally sweeps you along. I only wish there were more initial scenes showcasing Barnabas and Josette's relationship before Angelique took over. For such an important relationship Josette and Barnabas were a bit sketchy.
I'll be ordering some 1897 tapes soon. It sounds pretty cool.
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Eighteen hundred and ninety-seven. What a great year!
This was my favorite time period they did on the show. I loved almost all of it. There are some discrepancies, but all in all a great story. Just like the Barnabas story, it wasn't supposed to be so long. (Barnabas wasn't even supposed to stay with the show for longer than 6 weeks.) This story just became so popular that they didn't want to end it. After they did, they tried to bring it back again with the Gerard haunting and the 1840 storyline, but it was a very pale replacement.
All of the actors get great parts in this timeline. You should really enjoy it.
Misa
PS my second favorite storylines are 1795 and the Barnabas beginning stories. They are a tie.
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i agree that 1795 was for the most part very concise(although nathan/millicent got clunky at times).it's very involving from the start.but the barnabas and josette relationship isn't as well fleshed out as it could have been for the enormous build-up it's given on the show.it's only a couple of episodes before ang takes over.i guess we're supposed to imagine that their romance took off in martinique and their marriage was supposed to be a culmination of a great love affair.
the 1897 story is extremely long!at the snail's pace i've been watching this thing it will take me a year to get through it! :o
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What I found intriguing about the 1897 storyline is how the actors/actresses, some of them at least, played different characters. I read somewhere that this was made possible for a few of them because of the plot's enormous length. With so many subplots mixed in with the main one, it afforded them the opportunity to take some much-needed time off to do other stuff or just to get some R&R. Joan Bennet left for over four months; TLATKLS for almost as long; John Karlen, Clarice Blackburn, and even Jonathan Frid (although, it is said, that he was warned not to get a suntan while out on vacation) took their summer holidays for extended periods of time. When some of them came back for the continuation of 1897, they played someone new (their original characters either killed off or just written out). Talk about a whole lotta fun!
Gerard
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When Petofi shows up things seriously slide
I couldn't disagree more. Petofi is one of the greatest, most erudite characters/villians DS ever created - and Thayer David plays him to perfection. (http://www.dsboards.com/dsb05/Smileys/thumb.gif) I can't even begin to imagine 1897 without him.
the sibling bickering between Judith, Quentin, Carl and Edward is priceless and well executed by the actors
However, here we totally agree. The scenes between the siblings were wonderfully written and it's easy to see that the actors really enjoyed what they were given because they played those scenes to the hilt.
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I couldn't disagree more. Petofi is one of the greatest, most erudite characters/villians DS ever created - and Thayer David plays him to perfection. (IMG) I can't even begin to imagine 1897 without him.
Well, MB, now Darling YOU send/t me!!!!!
(For those newer to this board, Petofi is my absolute fav!!!!!!)
Patti
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1897 was originally to have lasted three months as Dan Curtis said in an interview. Does anyone have any idea what they originally may have outlined for 1897? Perhaps it was more like 1795 with Barnabas just standing on the sidelines watching the events play out.
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I'm watching the period just prior to 1897. Liz has just dropped Julia off in a basement room somewhere in the mansion so that she (Julia) can have a look around at old family pictures, etc., stored there and naturally the lights go out and the door is locked. Julia makes some fascinating discoveries. David and Amy are great as the little possesed evil beings who wreak havoc on the main house while under the control of Quentin. I'm thinking how well thought out all the different elements are at this point and it only gets better moving forward! Barnabas look especially nice in his cool mod suits and stylish ties. Julia's hairstyle is fabulous and so becoming on her!
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the sibling bickering between Judith, Quentin, Carl and Edward is priceless and well executed by the actors although the age range is quite staggering. .Bennett was 59 at the time and John Karlen was 33. It was fiction I know--but sheesh that's quite a spread and it is apparent---But actors always play with dates, ages, etc. For instance, Barbara Bel Gedes who played Miss Eliie on Dallas is only 7 years older than Larry Hagman! :o
my greatgrandmother had 12 children and the oldest was 26 when the last one was born ick! the poor woman was always nursing!
1897 is my favorite Patti (1795 a very close second)
jennifer
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My grandmother also had the same number of children as your grandmother did with the same age difference between the oldest and the youngest. Was your grandmother Italian and from the Bronx with a last name beginning with "P"?
This proves that Judith and Carl could be from the same mother as well as the difference in the ages of Barnabas and Sarah.
my greatgrandmother had 12 children and the oldest was 26 when the last one was born ick! the poor woman was always nursing!
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This proves that Judith and Carl could be from the same mother as well as the difference in the ages of Barnabas and Sarah.
Is the birth order of the 1897 siblings established in the DS Canon? I thought Quentin ws the youngest, not Carl. But I didn't think it was actually stated.
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When Petofi shows up things seriously slide
I couldn't disagree more. Petofi is one of the greatest, most erudite characters/villians DS ever created - and Thayer David plays him to perfection. (IMG)
I can't even begin to imagine 1897 without him.
Petofi is also my favorite in 1897. My favorite performance from 1897 has to be David Henesy as Jameson, possessed by Petofi.
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Is the birth order of the 1897 siblings established in the DS Canon? I thought Quentin ws the youngest, not Carl. But I didn't think it was actually stated.
I don't think so either. Quentin was 26 when the 1897 story began (born October 28, 1870), but I don't believe any clues were given that we could use to pinpoint the ages of his 3 siblings.
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I always thought the birth order was this: Judith; Edward; Quentin, and Carl. Judith I pegged as being mid-forties, Edward around 40-or-very-late-thirties, Quentin - of course - 26, and Carl maybe 23-or-so. Between Edward and Quentin, Ma and Pa Collins weren't talking. It had to do with a fight they had over who would be the best presidential candidate in 1856: Buchanan or Fremont. And you thought the Bush/Kerry civil disagreements were bad.
Gerard
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Perhaps it's natural to presume Carl is the youngest because he's childish.
But it's my experience that the youngest child in a family is usually the most indulged and spoiled. That would be Quentin, in my opinon.
And in the interest of full disclosure, I'm the baby in my family. ;)
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I don't recall if anything was said, but I was always under the impression that Carl was the youngest.
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Between Edward and Quentin, Ma and Pa Collins weren't talking. It had to do with a fight they had over who would be the best presidential candidate in 1856: Buchanan or Fremont. And you thought the Bush/Kerry civil disagreements were bad.
LOL ;D
Well, all I can say is....since the Bush/Kerry crap, husband and wife are barely talking around HERE !!!
I discovered that if I were running for president my own husband wouldn't even vote for me. (that's gratitude for ya). And all because I said I would take a couple of billion out of the Pentagon and put it toward funding for the arts!
:P
The hell with him.
PS I agree with Raineypark. I've always thought of Quentin as the youngest. :-*
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I always thought the birth order was this: Judith; Edward; Quentin, and Carl. Judith I pegged as being mid-forties, Edward around 40-or-very-late-thirties, Quentin - of course - 26, and Carl maybe 23-or-so. Between Edward and Quentin, Ma and Pa Collins weren't talking. It had to do with a fight they had over who would be the best presidential candidate in 1856: Buchanan or Fremont. And you thought the Bush/Kerry civil disagreements were bad.
I always thought that Edward was the eldest since Grandmama Edith said he was... I believe she wanted to pass on something and said only the eldest could know, then of course Judith would be second and Carl third leaving Quentin to be the Baby.
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I guess since John Karlen is almost eight years older than David Selby, I assumed Carl was older than Quentin. I guess they never really said and they do make Carl very child like so maybe he is the youngest.
Murph
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I thought that Quentin was older than Karl because he was so much more experienced with women. ;D Quentin had been around the block a few times by the time Karl returns with Pansy. [spoiler]Also, Quentin had already been married and was the father of twins. Young Karl on the otherhand, becomes engaged to a dance hall girl and brings her home to get the family approval because he wants to marry her.[/spoiler]From the way he acted, I would think he had at least been pretty much shielded from women and Pansy might have been his first love.
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At the risk of repeating myself......I don't think Carl's child-like behaviour is indicative of his place in the family birthdays.
The older siblings do not find Carl amusing....they think he's annoying and stupid.
If he was meant to be the youngest of the tribe, I think they would have been more indulgent of his 'quirks' and less likely to scold him, or threaten him with dire consequences for his pranks.
I think they treated him the way they did precisely because he was NOT the baby.
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Well, here's the thing.
Quentin and Carl are fairly close in age. When Quentin was born he was immediately the favorite - the "good-looking" one, bright, precocious, etc. Carl was jealous - resentful. He was no longer the center of attention. (Judith and Edward also resented Quentin 'cause he was able to get away with things. They considered him spoiled). Anyway, Carl's practical jokes were an attention-getting device. He was pretty much thrown over and ignored in favor of his younger brother. He never grew up. Years later he was still in search of that attention.
As far as Quentin being more experienced with women, that has nothing to do with his age compared with Carl. Carl was just never someone who women were particularly attracted to. Quentin had learned from an early age that he was appealing to the opposite sex and learned how to cultivate that charm and use it to his advantage. He also had quite a bit of confidence because he was always hearing from as far back as he could remember, how good-looking and handsome he was, etc. All this stuff was very difficult for Carl to come to terms with and grow up around.
AND....there ya have it. LOL
-CLC
Authority on Quentin (in my own mind) ::)
;D
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I belong to the DVD club and have been watching the eps as often as I can. Given vacations, extended work days, etc. I have just started collection 12. I'm probably just behind Miss Winthop. Having seen the entire series several times, I'm trying to focus on performances and loose ends. I must agree with Josette that the 1795 story is my favorite. It doesn't depart from it's purpose; which is to explain Barnabas' early life and subsequent affliction. The age differences are glaring, but back in the "early days" many people looked older than their actual age; botox, etc. was pretty much unknown, and it wasn't unusual for a child to be as old or older than the stage parent. I also loved most of 1897; it became a little convoluted as it progressed. As Petofi, TD delivered his lines with artistic excellence----but to me, he became boring as a character. I began to wait and hope that the story would soon return to the present. I'm still mystified as to Adam's fate. One day he's there----then he's gone!! Regardless of my likes and dislikes, DS is the greatest show EVER!
Misty [8_2_74]
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I love 1897! It's my favorite storyline as I've already said earlier.
I think that Quentin is the youngest. I even came up with a storyline about why he is so spoiled. His name means the fith born. (This was before the sloppy 1840 storyline when they had another Quentin and had the 1897 Quentin be his namesake.) Anyway back to my theory. Edward is the oldest, Judith is the second child, Carl is the third child, then their mother lost a child, so when their fifth child is born his parents dote on him not only becausehe's the youngest but because of the child they lost, and they name him Quentin,so everyone will always remember the child who is no longer with them.
I also remember when [spoiler]Quentin was in Petofi's body,[/spoiler]he told Judith that he could "see" things about people, and told her about Quentin hiding behind a chair and witnessing their nanny punishing her for something. This would imply that Judith isn't that much older than Quentin even though I thought she was until I saw this scene.
Misa
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My grandmother also had the same number of children as your grandmother did with the same age difference between the oldest and the youngest. Was your grandmother Italian and from the Bronx with a last name beginning with "P"?
LOL joey but no that greatgrandmother was english from nova scotia she had a great sense of humor probaly from dehydration!
funny both of my grandfathers were italian from boston though!
jennifer
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Misa...that was great remembering!!!
I believe Quentin is the youngest.
Patti