DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '04 II => Topic started by: Joeytrom on August 09, 2004, 11:44:29 PM
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Barnabas was always worried about Liz and Roger discovering his secret, believing they would have him destroyed. But I wonder if that would have happened. If it was 1967, then yes they would have saw to it he was killed. But after three or four years, with all he had done for them, I think it would not have happened at all.
At first they would be horrified, but then wouldn't they have had some sympathy for him and try to help him out?
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Oh my gosh!!!!
I was just reading older posts this past weekend and I saw this exact type-topic!!!!!
(At least, I hope I was/did....hope I'm not hallucinating!!)
Patti
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Sorry I don't know how to do the link:
Page 16, Current Talk I.
Hooray!!! I'm not nuts (quiet!!)
Patti
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how would elizabeth and roger deal with this knowledge?they weren't the most effectual people on earth.liz sat in her house for 18 years.roger drank,neglected his child and married a pheonix and a witch...if push came to shove i think barnabas could have handled them :o.
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Yes, Patti, I remember this topic too.
I agree that Roger and Elizabeth would have been shaken to learn that Barnabas was a vampire, but ultimately they would have rallied to protect his secret, partly in gratitude for all that he had done to save the family, and partly from a sense of family duty. The Collinses were very clannish; they stuck together when there was trouble and did their utmost to keep problems and scandals within the family. Elizabeth would never let David be exposed as a near-murderer, Carolyn and Roger would never let the villagers find out about Liz's death obsession, and nobody would have let any harm come to Barnabas.
Moreover, he was not an evil-doer by choice. When he attacked a victim, it was because the curse had inflicted him with bloodlust (or because he needed to keep a villain from harming the family.) In fact, I think Barnabas could have made his life a lot simpler if he had come clean with the family after the Leviathans turned him into a vampire (e.g. "Look--I tried to stop them from taking over the world and harming Carolyn, and this is what they did to me!") Roger certainly recognized that the Leviathans were an evil force and would have seen Barnabas's affliction as a punishment that he did not deserve. Under these circumstances, I think Liz and Roger would have pitied Barnabas and been sympathetic to his plight.
ProfStokes
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Sorry I don't know how to do the link:
What if Liz and Roger Learned the Truth about Barn
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I can see it both ways.
I can definitely understand what the previous posters have said if it happened a few years into their knowing him. They would remember all the good things he had done, and keep their Collins family secret. That's a possibility and I think it might have happened that way.
On the other hand, I can definitely see them being very shocked and horrified, and Roger, in particular, I can just hear him saying something like "I always knew there was something that wasn't right about him," or "I never really did trust him" or something like that.
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Oh please....
Liz thought she had a dead husband buried in the basement.
Roger married one of his own "incestors" who happened to be a supernatural firebird......and his kid's a homicidal juvenile delinquent.
A Vampire cousin should have been comic relief for this crew.
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Chuckle, chuckle, LOL
;D
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I don't know about Liz & Roger but I really did feel that Barnabas should have let Professor Stokes in on his secret. They let him in on just about every thing else pertaining to the supernatural, so why not this? I think he was probably the one person (besides Julia) who could have helped him out here.
As for Liz & Roger Im with Josette on this in feeling that they could have went either way towards his secret. I can see them having sympathy for him and trying to protect him, and yet I could also see Roger following in his ancestor Joshua's footsteps saying that they must protect themselves and the lives around them by having him chained up in the coffin.
Cassandra
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i agree after a few years they had been through a lot and had come to care for him. i also agree with Cassandra about Prof S. i always thought they told
him but realized after i came back to the show they didn't! i think he knew and
didn't want to pry(why i don't know!)
jennifer
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It's almost impossible to believe that Prof Stokes didn't know the truth about Barnabas. Since he was such a reader and researcher of all things supernatural, how could he not know the truth. But on the other hand, he wouldn't have been able to contain his natural curiosity if he did know the truth and try and pretend differently.
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I agree that if Liz and Roger had found out his secret they would have shown some forgiveness on Barnabas.. after all he did to save the family from trouble that would come later... The Collins family had enough skeletons dancing in the closet before cousin Barnabas arrived...Roger was a cold calculating person with a secret of his own tormenting him and so was Liz and they weren't cursed to cause their situations...As for Professor Stokes , I think he figured out pretty early on Barnabas' secret and kept it to himself and maybe he was told sometime later by Barnabas and Julia:)
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It's almost impossible to believe that Prof Stokes didn't know the truth about Barnabas. Since he was such a reader and researcher of all things supernatural, how could he not know the truth. But on the other hand, he wouldn't have been able to contain his natural curiosity if he did know the truth and try and pretend differently.
Stokes certainly knew something was up .. i mean he unburied the dude for Julia. . . and there was a scene. .where J asked Prof not to do something and he said , 'for barnabas'. .it was very nuanced, i.e. he knew B had a BIG BIG secret that only Julia knew and also i think that she did stuff for B she wouldn't do for anyone else (including himself-Prof Stokes)--I think he could piece together her being a doctor (blood specialist) was integral to their relationship. . .
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I also believe Stokes was very close to if not actually knew Barnabas true secret... he also may have wanted Julia or Barnabas to trust him enough to come to him willingly, not knowing how someone with that sort of secret to react had he just told them that he figured it out for himself, after all Barnabas almost killed Julia for finding out.
There are times I wonder why Julia was the only female in the whole of Collinwood to own a compact. ???
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in the hundreds of times barnabas visited collinwood,didn't anyone notice that he didn't cast a reflection?as i recall,there is a large mirror in the foyer. ::)
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Timing.
So let's say Elizabeth and Roger found out about Barnabas right about the time that [spoiler]Barnabas was terrorizing David and biting Carolyn.[/spoiler] Roger needs a fire lit under him to get him to do anything so I'm not sure what he would have done. But I have a feeling Elizabeth's reaction would have been pretty harsh. And given their comparative lack of scruples when it came to certain things, I suspect Barnabas would have been toast.
Later on when they were both practically caricatures. Shock, disbelief, then firmly back into denial.
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I believe Elizabeth would take such a shocking secret with much more ease than Roger, Liz has always been the stronger Collins where as her baby brother would run to the sherry to help his nerves... :o
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I believe Elizabeth would take such a shocking secret with much more ease than Roger, Liz has always been the stronger Collins where as her baby brother would run to the sherry to help his nerves... :o
yes she did believe her dead (murdered by her own hand) husband was buried in the cellar .. .she kept cool about that for 18 or so years. . .vampire? oh, well, who am i to judge, she'd think.. .
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I would assume, too, that after all the present-day Collins family had gone through, and with Barnabas having been a close member for several years by series end, that Roger and Elizabeth would have protected Barnabas. It always bothered me when I read something, I think it might have been Sam Hall's article for TV Guide on "what happened" after the show ended, to the effect that "Roger discovers Barnabas' secret and tries to kill him." To me, that doesn't ring true. (But then Barnabas and Julia going off to the Orient had to be tongue in cheek, didn't it?)
I love the ambiguity the series left us with regarding whether or not Professor Stokes guessed Barnabas' secret. In my view, leaving things up to the viewer/reader to resolve, hash over, discuss endlessly, is a sign of respect for the reader's/viewer's intelligence, rather than spoon feeding us with all the answers.
(Not surprising that I find movies like "Memento" and "Gosford Park" brilliant ... )