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Title: How do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals can be improved?
Post by: Darren Gross on March 19, 2002, 07:55:32 PM
I'm curious. Is everybody happy with the festivals as they are currently designed and programmed or do you have ideas on how to improve them?

What things should stay and which should go?

And what other DS things should be programmed that aren't being done at the festivals?

Look forward to the responses.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: VAM on March 19, 2002, 08:42:30 PM
Darren,

   I think for starters there should be more organization-
especially with regards to registrarion. It was adressed somewhat at the 2001 Fest with a pre-registration. Personally, I think it should be handled entirely through the mail. You should receive all the pertinent info and material including the banquet ticket. No more wasting time in lines. Also, more interaction of the actors/actresses with the fans. I am sure it is no fun for the celebrities to do autographs all weekend long-more lines. It should be mixed up with small group sessions and special events. How about afternoon tea at Collinwood or a reeinacted seance? Now, I will let someone else put in their two cents...

Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: joe integlia on March 19, 2002, 10:26:37 PM
i didnt attend the 2001 fest but at the 2000 fest, the registration process was a bad way to start off the fest. pre registered fans waiting in a long line while fans paying at the door just walked right up and got their admission badge in 60 seconds! the other issue is with fan behavior. a friend who is not on line has big issues with this and has gone as far as meeting with jim pierson about this. i heard there will be some kind of CODE OF CONDUCT statement distributed at the fest.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 19, 2002, 10:33:24 PM
Please come to Boston!

jennifer
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Birdie on March 19, 2002, 10:43:19 PM
I am with you Jennifer,  Boston or Newport.  Come to New England.  There is no way I could go to Ca. to the fest this year.  I am sure the fest could come up with all kinds of events given the area.  

Birdie
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Happybat on March 19, 2002, 10:57:17 PM
Birdie and Jennifer,

YES, YES, YES!  Please come to Boston or maybe even Providence (which isn't that far away for us Boston area fans).  And those of you who don't live in the area and may be reluctant to travel here, Boston and environs has so much to see and do that you will probably want to spend a few days here even after the fest is over!  

And VAM, what great ideas you have!  From your lips to the organizers' ears, I hope!

Happybat (a fellow librarian)   :D
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Craig_Slocum on March 19, 2002, 11:40:23 PM
There is a problem with temperature control. It is usually too cold, with the exception of last year in New York, the central air broke down completely and the Main Room was like an oven. Under normal circumstances you need long sleeves to be comfortable. I think putting a "In Memoriam" section for the late actors, in the Dark Shadows Festival program book would be a good idea. That way they would be remembered at every Festival. I agree that the registration process should all be handled by mail, and set up something online at the Dark Shadows Festival website, so the fans can purchase their tickets directly from there. A code of conduct is a good idea too. I witnessed some bad behavior myself. People get too impatient, road rage personalities. I also suggest having the Dark Shadows Festival here in Las Vegas, NV again. It's a fun place. When in Las Vegas, do as the Las Vegans do! Dark Shadows actor James Storm and his family really had a great time here. I spoke to them after the 1998 Festival. Darren, this is a good topic. That concludes my 2 cents worth!
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Birdie on March 19, 2002, 11:47:00 PM
Another thought:  Ask the actors/stars what they would be interested in.  We want them to continue to want to take part.  

Birdie
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: VAM on March 20, 2002, 01:06:03 AM
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Birdie and Jennifer,



And VAM, what great ideas you have!  From your lips to the organizers' ears, I hope!

Happybat (a fellow librarian)   :D


Thanks Happybat! I have some additional ideas, which includes the actors/actresses dressing up in period costumes ...I always had a dream of organizing such an event! :)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Bobubas on March 20, 2002, 02:23:00 AM
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I have some additional ideas, which includes the actors/actresses dressing up in period costumes ...I always had a dream of organizing such an event! :)

[shadow=teal,left,300]This has been done........kind of.  :) At last years Collins Association Halloween party the actors wore costumes in conjunction with a character they played on the show. They did a performance in the "Haunted Room", and it really was enjoyable and it appeared they had fun doing it as well. Marie Wallace looked fantastic as Jenny. Chris Pennock donned a lab coat and glasses for his re-enactment of Dr. Cyrus Longworth. Jim Storm sported a cape in performing as Gerard Stiles, and as you can see in the photo below, the very lovely Terry Crawford dressed as Beth.[/shadow]
 (http://members.aol.com/bobubas/bobteri.jpg)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Stuart on March 20, 2002, 03:08:59 AM
Okay, here's my thoughts [rant]:

Celebrity photographs -- how much time is wasted in the signing lines with people contorting to try and have pictures taken with the guests?  They usually look lousy, are impractical, and create bottlenecks.  What would be great is to do what a lot of the other cons do, and have celebrity photoroom, offering scheduled appearances with a professional photographer on hand.  They could even have a minor set put together (eg. the Collinwood or Old House mantle) to pose against, with each of the celebs scheduled over the weekend, with the proceeds going to a charity.  

So yeah...  I don't like the idea of receiving all the tickets, etc, through the mail, as overseas people like myself have to risk not having them arriving before departure, and you're bound to have heaps of people whining: "Wah! Where are my tickets? I've lost/dropped/eaten them... wah! etc..."

And cut down the signing lines.  Stop people from re-queuing -- have the actors sign for now more than two hours at a time and cut it off there.  They could sign all weekend and people would still be queuing up to get the gazillionth thing signed.  It's insatiable, so why bother trying...

I'd like to see more dramatic readings, skits, etc -- I think it would be great to have a staged reading of some DS scripts [maybe some of the abandoned 1969 scripts cited in the 2000 Almanac, maybe with music too]

Erm... that's it :)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Teresa on March 20, 2002, 03:09:00 AM
I agree that the registration and banquet tickets should be mailed out to those who pre-register if time permits. At least give the banquet ticket at the beginning of the weekend so there is no line the night of the dinner. This would give people more time to spend at the fest or more time to get ready for dinner.
I also agree with a code of conduct. I volunteered last year and one young lady ( I use lady loosely) called me a not so nice name that rhymes with witch because I would not let her cut in line. When she left she used the "F" word. I don't know how you control something like that.
As far as the autograph lines, I wouldn't know where to start there. I have heard some people waited 3 hours for an autograph and if you are an impatient person anyway it just makes matters worse for everyone.
I also think Las Vegas would be a terrific idea. I've never been there so just give me another reason besides putting myself in dept by gambling my hard earned money away and I am there!
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: RingoCollins on March 20, 2002, 04:54:35 AM
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Please come to Boston!

jennifer


are you saying Dave Loggins should be a guest? [he was originally from Bristol VA, and the orig version was 'please come to Bristol']

music trivia returns after [hopefully] one last technicolor yawn. [puke]
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: dsannabelle on March 20, 2002, 05:52:35 AM
Oh, am I going to here about this from both
sides of the country.

Howabout having the convention right here in
the MIDDLE of the good ole USA.

That way everybody on the coasts only have to go
half way rather than holf the people having to
go all the way across the US.

Make sense to me.

Annabelle

PS> For you football fans out there it could always,
be scheduled for a Cornhusker Home game weekend.
(I'll give you 3 guesses where I'm at.)  ::) ?!? ;D
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Bobubas on March 20, 2002, 09:12:28 AM
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PS> For you football fans out there it could always,
be scheduled for a Cornhusker Home game weekend.
(I'll give you 3 guesses where I'm at.)  ::) ?!? ;D


Um.....Oklahoma??  ;D Just kidding. I've always been a fan of Nebraska's football program, but I think Chicago would be more centrally located  should "da Fest" ever decide to do a midwest venue.  :)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Julia99 on March 20, 2002, 05:10:03 PM
Darren, I am so glad you asked this question.  I was just thinking about it tonights (since I have the jetlag can't sleep thing going and insane trivia is flooding my brain!).  It appears at the 2 fests i've been to they are very focused on certain actors, e.g. Ms. Parker, Mr. Frid and some of the other actors get short shift even in the Video montages.  It goes without saying that I think Grayson is one of the primary actors who gets little attention at the Fest, sometimes even hostile attention. I'd like to see that change and all the primary actors appropriately highlighted and remembered, even if could not participate in a Fest (either cuz of death or fear of crowds).

But here are some thoughts:
**electronic registration, via the web.  
**preprinted registration cards (the wait to have that woman write my name in NYC last year was silly and excrutiating--let's use technology and laptop computers and portable printers!  We've got enough geeks to make it happen.   ;D)
**How about large poster-size photographs of the actors who've passed on with books to write down memories or thoughts about them, perhaps for their families?
**Memoriams up front rather than tacked on at the end
**A stronger facilitator to keep Chris Pennock 'on time' and not give short shrift to other speakers
**video excerpts of the actors' other work (stage, television, etc.)
**tables dedicated to particular actors/characters where other like minded folks could hang out or check-in, exchange stuff or realize they are not alone.   The JuliaList has talked about it but no definite plans have been made.  Might be nice for the Quentin-files, Angelique-files and Barnabas-Angelique, Barnabas-Julia, Barnabas-Roxanne groups. . is there a Barnabas-Roxanne group?

I could make other 'facility layout and organizational' suggestions but only if you really really want them.

Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 20, 2002, 09:59:56 PM
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are you saying Dave Loggins should be a guest? [he was originally from Bristol VA, and the orig version was 'please come to Bristol']

music trivia returns after [hopefully] one last technicolor yawn. [puke]


actually i was thinking of that song when i posted that Ringo
but speaking of music trivia I'm trying to get my hands on  a copy of the song "can't find the time to tell you"
by I think Orpheus`(know I spelled it wrong) do you know of any web sites that sell old records!thanks
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: AllenCollins on March 20, 2002, 10:16:20 PM
Jennifer,
Here you go:

www.californiaalbums.com

or

www.midnightrecords.com

I believe you are correct, Orpheus does, "Cant Find The Time To Tell You". I Hope this helps.

Good Luck.

B
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: joe integlia on March 20, 2002, 10:46:00 PM
david nahmod is the friend i mentioned before who has big issues with fan behavior and i faxed him a copy of this post and he faxed me back(he is not on line)his response that i am transcibing for u:
One major way festivals could be improved is to raise the standards of behavior + hold people accountable for what they do at festivals. since i began attending in 1983, in the SHADOWCON days, ive found the fan behavior torwards others to be overwhelmingly negative. it often seems that 90% of the fans are not on speaking terms with each other and that most of them consider this something to be proud of. ive also had people try to convince me that im supposed to hate the people they dont like. hard to believe the people acting this way are all over the age of 30.
its time to stigmatize the bad behavior at festivals. it is the hate mongers who should be stigmatized, not those they victimized. we can further improve fandom by gently, lovingly urging people to be kinder to each other, to be polite to everyone whose paths they cross and to end the grudgeholding. its time we learned that not being friends does not make us enemies. DAVID NAHMOD
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Raineypark on March 20, 2002, 11:02:36 PM
Well, this was an eye-opening post!

I've never attended a Fan Festival of any sort so I haven't a clue what they're like....but if this is an accurate depiction of what goes on....how disappointing!

Is this true?  Are people really that antagonistic towards one another?  Over what?  Who has the larger collection of memorabilia?  Who's collected the greater number of autographs?  Who made what rude comment about someone else's favorite actor?  

All this time I've gotten the impression that you all have a wonderful time every year at these things....are you talking about the same Festivals?

I've been telling a friend about this great forum for weeks now and she's psyched at the idea of the next Festival in NY in 2003....what do I tell her now?
Anybody?

Raineypark
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Happybat on March 20, 2002, 11:26:47 PM
Raineypark,

Although I have only attended two DS Fests so far, I can assure you that the fans there were a very friendly group of people, eager to share their enthusiasm and to get to know everyone else.  Not being a natural "mingler" by nature, I still never felt left out or treated unkindly by anyone there.  At the Halloween Fest in 2000, GingerCat and I were both amazed at the attendees'  patience and gentleness in the midst of what we would have to call a rather poorly organized event.  Well, that is at least my experience so far; I can only speak for myself, of course, but I would advise any fan to attend at least one Fest.  It is quite an experience and a fun one to boot!

My heart goes out to David whose experience with fan behavior had been so negative.   It sounds as if some of those fans had been sipping Dr. Longworth's potion!  :o

Otherwise I agree with the idea of mailing the tickets, although I can see a problem there with people coming from overseas.  Off-hand, I would love to attend a costume ball with all of the stars (in costumes, too, of course).  No lines, no waiting, just fun!

And Bobubas, love that pic of you and Terry! At the Halloween 2000 Fest, GingerCat and I had the honor of driving Terry from the hotel to the Fest.  A very sweet lady indeed!
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Gothick on March 21, 2002, 12:37:25 AM
Hi Raineypark,

Love your post about the anachronisms in the current storyline btw--I foresee that as turning into a very long section.  The Countess' clothing is about 40 years out of date (maybe more, but those dresses were on their way OUT by 1770 for sure--why didn't they put her in a powdered wig?  Maybe the powder gave Grayson a sneezing fit!)  So there's lots to write about on that topic.

I've been a very erratic Festival attendee myself.  The main reason I keep going is because of my friends among the fans.  I do think there is some backbiting or cliquishness as Joe's friend mentioned, but I think if you don't hang out with certain groups of people who mainly keep to themselves, you'd never notice it.  I think this kind of thing was more noticeable back in the 1980s when an event that drew 200 people was big news.  They routinely get 1500 on Saturday alone in NYC and last year's not-previously-announced mail-registration only for Sat. was presumably to circumvent fire code violations due to the crowds who always show up for the New York Festivals.  I think the fandom has really grown now that the show has become a mainstay (and wisely so) on the Sci Fi Channel.  It clearly has an appeal that transcends time!  And DS fandom has a magic that transcends petty fannish squabbling.

So, I hope you encourage your friend to join you at a Festival.  I bet you'll have a great time.  

As for improving the Festivals--the actors I really loved on the show are all dead.  They used to do more skits (I will never forget a marvelous one act thing Marie Wallace did one year) but if the skits are non-DS the fans often don't have much interest.  I was so upset about people coming in and going out and talking during a wonderful performance David Selby did in NYC a few years ago.     There used to be a video room set up where they would screen episodes and rare videos of other projects the actors had appeared in.  Perhaps these features will appear again at future festivals.  I've been meaning for years to approach the Festival committee about doing a tribute to Grayson Hall featuring clips from my collection, but I haven't ever managed to find the time to write up a proposal.  It would be lovely to have one for Thayer David, as well, though presumably fan interest would be smaller in that.  He is one of my top favorite DS thespians ... I do appreciate it that a few others here have written appreciatively about his work, as well.  Jonathan Frid commented once at a Festival about how sweet Thayer was and how he was like everyone's favorite Uncle on set.

Gawd, that was a never ending post!

Cheers, Steve
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: RingoCollins on March 21, 2002, 01:46:29 AM
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.  Not being a natural "mingler" by nature,


Wasn't that a Korman movie? [jester]

Helping out with the Beatlefan conventions, which draw something like 15,000 for a three day show, and been at it since 1974, the folks that run that show pretty well have it down to 'automatic pilot'.  [but still some complain about the very things listed here]  Autograph sessions are pretty well organized, with limits on items, small panels are set up to allow 'intimate' Q&A sessions [OK I might monopolize one certain cast member ;)!!]  Fan-specialty sessions are loosely orgainized for 'focus groups' [and the dreaded all-night singalong :-X drinkathon]

I can get ya in touch with the ring leaders of the Beatlefest, I you would wanna talk to them about how they arrange scheduling, layout, logistics and some other stuff, if you wnat to contact them.  The only one that is always a sore spot is the behavior of the attendees - its a fine line to throw a big party like that, and keep everyone civil, friendly, and well behaved [and keep'em coming back next year!]  Don't know if anyone would have THE solution there! [except maybe a stun-gun!]

Lemmeno if ya want to contact those promoters!!
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 21, 2002, 01:56:21 AM
I very much doubt the festival will ever print a "Code of Conduct" in the program.  There's no reason, and you can bet that if  the adults attending these functions who are rude and pushy, some "code of conduct" printed in the program isn't going to suddenly make them change their ways - be a ray of light that penetrates the brain where common sense and courtesy never had before.    The code of conduct at the convention is the same for any other large gathering of people.  You have rude, pushy and otherwise ill-behaved fans at sport events, book signings with high profile guests, and many other functions that have a lot of people wanting the same thing at the same time. When people are rude and pushy, or refuse to be civil, you throw them out of the event. That is what happens at any other event and I have witnessed two occasions where obnoxious fans were ejected from the festival area for being supremely bad mannered.  We are not talking about some unusual situation here at the festival that doesn't happen elsewhere.

I can understand the wish to have festivals located in other areas of the country such as Boston, Chicago, Dallas (they had two there), etc. but the reason the festivals are held either in New York or Los Angeles is that most of the actors live in or the other city.  If the festival where held in some other area of the country, then ALL of the guests would have to be flown in, transportation provided etc.  That is an enormous expense.  As it is, most fan conventions charge hefty entrance fees and the DS Festivals still charge only $25.00 for the whole weekend.  I've heard that fees at other conventions can run $25.00 just for the day and then actors charge per autograph. :o

Nancy

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 21, 2002, 02:20:44 AM
Grayson Hall seems to be the most made fun of actor at the festivals.  It would certainly mean much much to the many Grayson fans there are to have a tribute to her rather than to hear the negative things said about her.

Unfortunately, in terms of creating tributes and programming to the actors not as prominent, yet important, I can only conclude this is not done because there is not a large enough market. Producers and promoters pick up on what they see people want most.  The festival organizers have always said that Frid was the single biggest draw to the festivals (when he went) so everything was geared around that.  I imagine some of the actors are glad he doesnt attend anymore so they get more time in the Q&As.  All the questions went to him or Lara Parker it seemed which wasn't really fair to the others.  There is a videotape of a Q&A in 1985 when everyone was asking Frid questions and he finally just asked the audience to ask the other actors on stage a question and not just him.  So at least he was conscious of their getting the short shrift.  

I don't know how to engage the audience more concerning a dead actor, such as Grayson Hall, but a tribute might work if only it would be something more respectful.  I bet you'd do a good job with that, Steve.  It would certainly be a change from all the skits you see making fun of her.   She certainly has her fans.

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 21, 2002, 02:25:00 AM
Julia99 wrote:
**tables dedicated to particular actors/characters where other like minded folks could hang out or check-in, exchange stuff or realize they are not alone.   The JuliaList has talked about it but no definite plans have been made.  Might be nice for the Quentin-files, Angelique-files and Barnabas-Angelique, Barnabas-Julia, Barnabas-Roxanne groups. . is there a Barnabas-Roxanne group? >>

I think this would be a great idea, especially since the online fandom is so strong.  Those fans not online or who don't know about these groups would be able to get in touch with the online fan world and share their interests.  The programming at the festival will always dictated by who the majority of the fans want to see; you can always find other people people and create a new "majority". ;D
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 21, 2002, 06:51:54 AM
Raineypark wrote:
<<Is this true?  Are people really that antagonistic towards one another?  Over what?  Who has the larger collection of memorabilia?  Who's collected the greater number of autographs?  Who made what rude comment about someone else's favorite actor?  

All this time I've gotten the impression that you all have a wonderful time every year at these things....are you talking about the same Festivals?

I've been telling a friend about this great forum for weeks now and she's psyched at the idea of the next Festival in NY in 2003....what do I tell her now?
Anybody?>>

I have friends who've attended many fan conventions for other TV shows over the years.  They also attend the DS Festivals and invariably they have commented over and over how much nicer the DS Fans and conventions are compared to the others that are out there.  

There are always a few people who try to make things unpleasant for others, and I don't care what organization you are involved with.  There are always people who take themselves and their involvement a little too seriously.  If this becomes a burning issue for anyone and makes fandom unpleasant as a whole, the logical recourse is to simply not attend the festivals anymore or be involved in fandom.  Why be aggravated? There isn't enough time in the day as it is to do all the things we want to do, or explore new things so why put up with anything that only brings upset?  There are plenty of other things to do than watch DS, attend festivals or worry about people who aren't nice.  Since this activity is recreation, it makes sense to avoid those who make you unhappy or just avoid the whole thing entirely and so something else.

I've been to all the New York area festivals since 1984 and the majority of fans are friendly and the conventions must be fun as the same people come over and over again each year and spend big bucks to do so. The conventions have gotten bigger and bigger as well.

I advise anyone who has experienced the festivals and are continuously unhappy to find something else to do that pleases them. Life is way too short to do otherwise.  For those who have yet to attend a festival, it can be great fun especially when meeting people from online who've corresponded with for a long time.  These events are pretty much what the attendee makes of it.

And that's my two cents on that subject.  I think Ive run this up to a dime actually. ::) Didn't mean to do that. :-X

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 21, 2002, 07:09:01 AM
Raineypark wrote:
<<Is this true?  Are people really that antagonistic towards one another?  Over what?  Who has the larger collection of memorabilia?  Who's collected the greater number of autographs?  Who made what rude comment about someone else's favorite actor?  

All this time I've gotten the impression that you all have a wonderful time every year at these things....are you talking about the same Festivals?

I've been telling a friend about this great forum for weeks now and she's psyched at the idea of the next Festival in NY in 2003....what do I tell her now?
Anybody?>>

I have friends who've attended many fan conventions for other TV shows over the years.  They also attend the DS Festivals and invariably they have commented over and over how much nicer the DS Fans and conventions are compared to the others that are out there.  

There are always a few people who try to make things unpleasant for others, and I don't care what organization you are involved with.  There are always people who take themselves and their involvement a little too seriously.  If this becomes a burning issue for anyone and makes fandom unpleasant as a whole, the logical recourse is to simply not attend the festivals anymore or be involved in fandom.  Why be aggravated? There isn't enough time in the day as it is to do all the things we want to do, or explore new things so why put up with anything that only brings upset?  There are plenty of other things to do than watch DS, attend festivals or worry about people who aren't nice.  Since this activity is recreation, it makes sense to avoid those who make you unhappy or just avoid the whole thing entirely and so something else.

I've been to all the New York area festivals since 1984 and the majority of fans are friendly and the conventions must be fun as the same people come over and over again each year and spend big bucks to do so. The conventions have gotten bigger and bigger as well.

I advise anyone who has experienced the festivals and are continuously unhappy to find something else to do that pleases them. Life is way too short to do otherwise.  For those who have yet to attend a festival, it can be great fun especially when meeting people from online who've corresponded with for a long time.  These events are pretty much what the attendee makes of it.

And that's my two cents on that subject.  I think Ive run this up to a dime actually. ::) Didn't mean to do that. :-X

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Birdie on March 21, 2002, 07:20:15 AM
I have only attended one fest, the one last summer.  Unfortuately I never connected with anyone who takes part in this forum.  I was with my sister, my daughter age 12, son 10, at the time, hubby and other daughter who breezed in and out.  For the most part I found the people in the lines for autographs to be very nice, easy to talk too.  We had nice conversations with these people.  We only ran into one couple who were a bit on the pushy side.  Cutting us in line, it didn't bother me. Everywhere you go you meet some people who are total jerks, just comes with living.  I tend to be a slightly over protective Mom and we felt very comfortable letting the kids leave the line and roam a bit.  I really didn't experience any poor manners.

On a funny note--some woman hit on my husband which my seventeen year old daughter thought was too funny. She is still laughing about it.  He isn't even a DS fan but a great sport to go to the fest and put up with me.

Birdie
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Midnite on March 21, 2002, 07:25:05 AM
joe,

Your message was modified to remove the mention of a serious personal problem that David has described.  I sympathize with him and feel that if he has been negatively targeted in any way that he should pursue appropriate avenues with which to deal with the issue, but I do not feel that posting it on these forums is either productive or appropriate.

DS fandom does seem to have its share of politics.  However, I've never found the majority of fans to be poorly behaved or hateful, and in fact if I've seen these types of behavior at all it was from a small minority of people.  I've met some of the most generous, fun-loving, and friendly people ever through DS venues.

Obviously David has had different experiences and I'm sorry for that and hope that he will eventually find the same level of enjoyment that I've had while attending the last 5 Fests.  While I can't imagine how fan behavior could be regulated, I think his words here are lovely and ring true even beyond fandom:
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we can further improve fandom by gently, lovingly urging people to be kinder to each other, to be polite to everyone whose paths they cross and to end the grudgeholding. its time we learned that not being friends does not make us enemies.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Brian on March 21, 2002, 11:11:52 AM
Well, the Boston folks beat me to it--sort of--but why not come to Disney World. . .I mean, Orlando!  :D

So what if there are no authentic DS locations here. . .we still have a mouse  ;), and maybe our DS Stars (and some fans) would take in a day or two at the "parks," as we call them here.  I'd be thrilled to escort some of our DS stars and their families around Disney World. . . 8)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: VAM on March 21, 2002, 04:30:02 PM
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Well, the Boston folks beat me to it--sort of--but why not come to Disney World. . .I mean, Orlando!  :D

So what if there are no authentic DS locations here. . .we still have a mouse  ;), and maybe our DS Stars (and some fans) would take in a day or two at the "parks," as we call them here.  I'd be thrilled to escort some of our DS stars and their families around Disney World. . . 8)


Good idea including the escort service!
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: joe integlia on March 21, 2002, 10:20:06 PM
except ur forgetting that this years fest is being held in anaheim. theres a mouse there too and parks.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: VAM on March 21, 2002, 10:42:18 PM
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except ur forgetting that this years fest is being held in anaheim. theres a mouse there too and parks.


No offense Joe, but there is no comparison. I have been to both (the park in CA and the resort in FL) more than once and out of the two I vote DW #1.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 22, 2002, 01:11:02 AM
I'm with you Vam rather go to Orlando!!!
Great suggestion!Brian

jennifer
and Nancy just curious but you were talking about the
expense Do the actors pay their way and if a lot of them
live in NY what's the big deal to come to Boston? i mean it is a big deal for a lot of us to go to LA(mouse and all)!



Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 22, 2002, 06:17:04 AM
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I'm with you Vam rather go to Orlando!!!
Great suggestion!Brian

jennifer
and Nancy just curious but you were talking about the
expense Do the actors pay their way and if a lot of them
live in NY what's the big deal to come to Boston? i mean it is a big deal for a lot of us to go to LA(mouse and all)!

No, the actors do not pay their way.     The majority of the DS actors live in LA (not New York) who attend the festivals.  Just a handful live in New York.


The festival has more than enough fans to attend the festivals on either coast and that is why the festivals will probably continue to be held on either coast.  For those living in Boston, coming to NY isn't out of the question.  

There isn't any reason why DS fans can't have mini-conventions of their own where they want them.  That has been done by a few people over the years.

Nancy




Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Mary on March 22, 2002, 10:50:49 AM

Hi!  I've had a lot of trouble trying to read the forum posts (probably because I've got such an old computer), but I finally got to read this topic tonight and I wanted to respond to the allegations of unfriendliness and/or rudeness of fans at the Fests.  I've been attending the Fests for over 10 years, and I always look forward to it so much because of the friends I've made there.  Like a few other posters have noted, there are always a few rude people no matter where you go, but that's just the way life is.  (Plus there are always a few people who don't seem to realize that -- spoiler alert! LOL -- the DS characters are just fictional, but that just keeps things interesting.)  Anyway, I just avoid the unpleasant people and hang out with my own friends.  I first came to the Fests not knowing a soul and found it surprisingly easy to make friends by using the Fest roommate service, meeting people in line, or sitting next to them at dinner.  It has been my experience that most Fest attendees are friendly and polite.  I've met some of my closest friends at the Fests, and I really don't know what I'd do without them.  Plus, we always extend the Fest trip into a big vacation and do lots of touristy stuff and have a great time.  So there's my 2 cents' worth.

Mary
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 22, 2002, 05:20:59 PM
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The festival has more than enough fans to attend the festivals on either coast and that is why the festivals will probably continue to be held on either coast.  For those living in Boston, coming to NY isn't out of the question.  

There isn't any reason why DS fans can't have mini-conventions of their own where they want them.  That has been done by a few people over the years.

Nancy






Nancy
what about the whole country in between the two coasts i noticed that some of the actors could get to
Conn for a halloween tme it isnota good time for me to travel with two small chidren and the summer times of the fests i would think these actors would love to meet
their fans all across the country and if we have to pay our way why can't they pick up part of the cost? i thought Vam had some great suggestions!

jennifer
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Birdie on March 22, 2002, 05:43:14 PM
I don't know but a trip to Boston or Newport doesn't sound like a hardship to me for the actors.  I am sure there are things in those areas they might like to visit or revisit and combining things.  The actors a great deal of time bring their families and it might be nice to show them a different place.

The DisneyWorld thing sounded fun too.  I might even get my family to want to go again if it was there.  Actually, we will be visiting that mouse the end of May.  A last hurrah for the family.  We think the older two children won't want to vacation with the rest of us much longer.  Of course, it might be a joke on us and they will want to go with us until they are our age.  

Birdie
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: CastleBee on March 22, 2002, 08:22:19 PM
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...I think Chicago would be more centrally located  should "da Fest" ever decide to do a midwest venue.  :)


Chicago! Great idea Bobubas [hello]¢â‚¬¦not to mention that it would guarantee a really inexpensive jaunt for me [nuts] ha!  (I also love the idea of having the convention in Boston or Newport.)  

Stuart's idea about the option of having professionally done photo ops would be great too.  It would sure beat having to rely on someone to NOT cut your head off as they took a quick snap [sick].  Easy to justify the cost [greed] too if a portion of the $ would go to charity.

As to the ticket lines, my thoughts are that it might be nice to have the option to have them sent to you ahead of time provided you don't live overseas or pre-register too late.  That might not completely eliminate the line but it could cut down on the amount of people in it [madan][pain][angryf][argue][hdscrt][fangs][bawl][king][wink2].  At the very least it would be good to have the banquet ticket given to you when you check in the first day.

And last but not least the rudeness issue [pain]: we experienced that to some degree too.  One guy in particular thought he was being really slick and tried to cut into the autograph line and make it look like he'd just stepped away for a while by making "witty" conversation with the people in our area  ::)  .  He didn't fool anyone but after standing there for about two hours straight if I'd had the energy I might have been tempted to slap him across the room. [pissd] I don't see how all of that kind of thing could be avoided but it would be nice if it could be.  As a first time attendee I have to say that overall it was a really fun time and positive experience. [sun]

Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Happybat on March 22, 2002, 08:56:55 PM
Orlando and Chicago sound great, too, as long as the organizers could find a centrally located hotel at a special rate - the way they did last year in NY, which is, of course, easy enough to get to for us northeasterners.  And you can hardly beat NY for excitement! ;D

Another suggestion is to choose a hotel or convention center that doesn't assume that everyone will be bringing or renting a car.  A venue that can be reached via public transportation or possibly a shuttle bus would be best.  (Yes, Virginia, there are still a few of us left who choose not to own cars!  Or, the "ball and chain" as I like to think of it, but let's not go there ...)  

There are some great suggestions floating about here.  Are there any DS convention organizers on this forum?  

Now, can someone tell me how you get those wonderfully goofy emoticons?  This inquiring mind wants to know!  8)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Raineypark on March 22, 2002, 09:02:30 PM
Happybat, check out "Testing 1-2-3" on the Home Page...Mysterious Benefactor and Midnite have several postings of explanations on there.....I know, because I was one of the people who needed it explained to me several times over!!!
Raineypark
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Happybat on March 22, 2002, 09:19:30 PM
Thank you, Raineypark!  

[wavey]

Yahoo, it works!

-Happybat in [sun] Boston

Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Raineypark on March 22, 2002, 09:24:18 PM
Wow Happybat!!!!....you sure caught on a h*ll of a lot faster than I did!!!

You're very welcome   ;)
Raineypark
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 22, 2002, 09:34:49 PM
Jennifer wrote:
<<Nancy
what about the whole country in between the two coasts i noticed that some of the actors could get to
Conn for a halloween tme it isnota good time for me to travel with two small chidren and the summer times of the fests i would think these actors would love to meet
their fans all across the country and if we have to pay our way why can't they pick up part of the cost? i thought Vam had some great suggestions!>>

Jennifer, I understand your frustration but you are assuming that the DS actors have more money than you do.  I think that is a false assumption for the most part.  As an actor, you only get paid when you work or you have a commercial running.  Otherwise, you find other ways to earn money.  You will note that many of these DS actors (from the original show) who come to the fesivals and other fan events don't even act anymore.  They have other jobs that I dont' see as paying a fabulous sum of money.   These actors have families and/or spouses and it would be incredibly rude to ask any of them to spend their own money to go entertain other people.   It's like saying, we want you to come and entertain and be with us, but you aren't worth paying for.  It would be sad if any of the actors could not attend an event simply because they couldn't afford to come no matter how much they wanted to.

The Halloween event you mentioned was a fan event, and not a DS Festival spnonsored function.  As far as I know, the actors were flown in and taken care of by the organizer.  That is traditionally how it's done.

It should be pointed out that the the DS actors, unlike other actors who attend these other fan functions such as Star Trek, etc., were not paid for their appearance at the festival.  The actors from Star Trek, etc. charge a hefty fee and in other case charge $10.00 to sign an autograph per person.  To my knowledge, the DS actors don't do that and some of them could demand to be paid because they are draws.  I know, for example, that Jonathan Frid (according to the festival organizers is the biggest festival draw) didn't charge fees for his appearance even though he would have been entitled to given the drawing power he had.  All of these actors give quite a bit of their personal time and to ask them to pay their own way, or even part of it, isn't  expressing much appreciation for the enjoyment fans presumbly get from them not only now but over the years.

The actors are free to do events with whomever they wish.  I very much doubt they would be crazy about  having to spring for half or all of the expense getting to a fan convention.  Anyone is free to ask them to do so. :-/

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 22, 2002, 09:42:11 PM
quote author=Happybat link=board=news;num=1016556933;start=30#40 date=03/22/02 at 17:56:55]
There are some great suggestions floating about here.  Are there any DS convention organizers on this forum?  

Now, can someone tell me how you get those wonderfully goofy emoticons?  This inquiring mind wants to know!  8)[/quote]


Castlebee, I posted an email addy for someone who has been part of the festival for over a decade.  Her name is PansyFaye@darkshadowsfestival.com.  I told her about the discussion here and she invites everyone with an idea to send it to her.  Obviously, she can't guarantee every suggestion will be carried out, but she welcomes all new ideas.

Write to her.

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: TEStokes on March 22, 2002, 09:47:21 PM
Some of the people, from what I have heard, can be like a pack of pinheads on steriods...ready to bully others, open their mouths only to spill vile hatred, and definitely to be avoided. However, most of the accounts I read of in the past characterized the experience as thoroughly enjoyable and first rate .  ;D So...it is worth attending, unless you don't want to see your favorite soap stars as almost - senior citizens  and full blown senior citizens!  :o (Savor those memories, I say; don't tarnish them. )

Why don't they just do this...a very simple solution. Let people prepay and then -- and then send them nothing. Put their names down on a list, and they will simply need to show ID to get in... that would be entirely hassle-free and would expedite things enormously .

Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: joe integlia on March 22, 2002, 09:58:30 PM
simply showing id wont work. u need to be wearing a badge to enter the convention hall/rooms. there is a monitor looking for people wearing the badges. if u had to stop and show id, to the monitor this would cause a delay and even another line just to enter the rooms. obtaining the badge is what causes the line in the 1st place but at least after u have it and wear it u can enter the rooms without further delay.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: TEStokes on March 22, 2002, 10:04:26 PM
How about if you show an ID. Then they check to see if that name is on a list. Then they give you a generic badge....10 seconds.

And for the few who don't have ID's, they could request bills or report cards (in the case of children). Failing those, they could establish an alternative method for those without any ID or anything equal to ID.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: VAM on March 22, 2002, 10:49:48 PM
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..So...it is worth attending, unless you don't want to see your favorite soap stars as almost - senior citizens  and full blown senior citizens!  :o (Savor those memories, I say; don't tarnish them. )





This certainly does not characterize all involved....Some are in great shape...I wish they would tell me their secret!
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 22, 2002, 11:51:54 PM
Re the actors who are senior citizens now.

I've learned quite a bit from senior citizens. Since I don't look the same I did 30 years ago, I don't expect anyone else to either.  I'll always savor talent over looks.  Always.  The age of someone doesn't diminish that appreciation for me.  I hope I never see the day someone thinks I mean less because I'm old.;)  Because God willing, we will all get there someday.

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 22, 2002, 11:57:12 PM
in reading Nancy's post i' m beginning to not want to go toda fest i really doubt these actors are on welfare
and can't afford to travel ! They shoud be flattered
that fans still want to see them! and as i've been working as a nurse for over 20 years with little pay I'm sure that most of them make more than I do! don't mean  to give you a hard time but we do have a right to wish they could have them somewhere else so maybe
fans that can't afford to travel could see them too!

jennifer
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Bobubas on March 23, 2002, 12:38:19 AM
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in reading Nancy's post i' m beginning to not want to go toda fest i really doubt these actors are on welfare
and can't afford to travel ! They shoud be flattered
that fans still want to see them! and as i've been working as a nurse for over 20 years with little pay I'm sure that most of them make more than I do! don't mean  to give you a hard time but we do have a right to wish they could have them somewhere else so maybe
fans that can't afford to travel could see them too!

jennifer


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[shadow=teal,left,300]Hi Jen,  :)
I don't believe Nancy was implying that the actors can't afford to travel. As it is, the actors that do attend, do so because they are flattered that after 30 years we still hold them in such high esteem. I don't know if you have ever had the opportunity to attend any other conventions/festival, but unlike the Dark Shadows Festivals, they can be quite costly. For example, at Chiller Theatre Conventions you pay $25.00 for the weekend, but this DOES NOT include autographs. Each star CHARGES a seperate fee(anywhere from $20.00-$25.00 per star) for you to secure an autograph from them. At Dark Shadows Festivals you pay $25.00 and that covers EVERYTHING for the weekend except for the Sunday night banquet.  The stars sit there for hours on end signing their names and don't receive a penny for it. Personally, I think that is awesome of them to do, and I don't believe we should expect them to pay for giving us this unique opportunity.
Anyway, that is my two cents :)
I'm really looking forward to seeing those who plan to attend the Festival in Aneheim this year.I love Disneyland[/shadow] (http://www.smilies.nl/groot/mickey.gif )
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Teresa on March 23, 2002, 12:47:09 AM
I hope the post here aren't giving anyone a bad view of the festivals. I have only been to one official fest but inspite of a few ( and I do mean few) rude folks the rest of the time was a blast. I would recomend everyone try it once and you will be hooked.
Two people I regard as my closest buds I met because of DS. One just happened to sit next to my at the banquet and we became fast friends and talk almost daily.
This years trip to California is a splurge for me but I started saving a year ago and realize I won't be doing as much outside of the fest due to money but hey, the ocean is still free out there isn't it?? Please tell me it is all you Calif people.
I'll be passing up on the Disney side trip. Been there once and once was enough for me. Didn't they do a tour of the QE at a Calif fest once? That would have been cool.
I can understand frustration on the fest only being east or west coast. It is hard living in the middle of the country sometimes but I love getting out of the middle of the country too.
If anyone was planning on going and has doubts about it because of the negative things that could happen. The positive outweighs it ten times so go and have a great time.  :)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Luciaphile on March 23, 2002, 12:51:50 AM
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in reading Nancy's post i' m beginning to not want to go toda fest i really doubt these actors are on welfare
and can't afford to travel ! They shoud be flattered
that fans still want to see them! and as i've been working as a nurse for over 20 years with little pay I'm sure that most of them make more than I do! don't mean  to give you a hard time but we do have a right to wish they could have them somewhere else so maybe
fans that can't afford to travel could see them too!

jennifer


I have no desire to go to a Fest, but I see Nancy's point.  

It's not about money that the actors do or don't have.  Standard practice for guests at these things is to at least pay for their travel expenses.  Period.  Think about it.  Would you want ot fork over your own money to travel somewhere (air and hotel) so that you could go speak at a convention, spend hours churning out autographs, etc.?

It's just not done.

So then the festival people now have to somehow pay for all of this--that means that the cost of your tickets goes up, a lot.  

I can see why people who live in other parts of the country would be disappointed that they can't go to a Fest, but that's the way it is.  

Luciaphil
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 23, 2002, 01:00:05 AM
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in reading Nancy's post i' m beginning to not want to go toda fest i really doubt these actors are on welfare
and can't afford to travel ! They shoud be flattered
that fans still want to see them! and as i've been working as a nurse for over 20 years with little pay I'm sure that most of them make more than I do! don't mean  to give you a hard time but we do have a right to wish they could have them somewhere else so maybe
fans that can't afford to travel could see them too!

jennifer



I never said the any of the actors were on welfare and my post encouraged anyone who wanted to try their hand at organizing a convention (and inviting them under whatever circumstances).   Please re-read what I said in my post as I think you misinterpreted what I said.
I am in no position to say whether or not any of the actors would pay any of their own expenses to attend a convention.  Maybe so.  It doesn't seem likely to me but I could very well be wrong.   ::)

Ask them.  See what happens. :)  

Nancy



Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Midnite on March 23, 2002, 01:21:21 AM
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This years trip to California is a splurge for me but I started saving a year ago and realize I won't be doing as much outside of the fest due to money but hey, the ocean is still free out there isn't it?? Please tell me it is all you Calif people.

Oh yes, Teresa-- the Pacific Ocean is still free and blue and warm! :)

Now if I may put on my moderator's hat for a moment, I'll ask that we all keep in mind that this topic was intended as an avenue for exchanging ideas and making recommendations about improving the Fest.  We don't have to agree with everything we read here, and discussion of the various ideas is always welcome, yet I can't imagine that newbies would be willing to share their thoughts if they see that posters who have done so are being criticized or attacked for theirs.  And let's also not forget that one of the threads running through these 4 pages has to do with fan behavior, but if we can't get along while simply sharing ideas on an internet message board, how can we make a case that we can all get along in the close quarters of a festival auditorium?

I've removed one message in this topic for its criticism of another poster, and hopefully that'll be the last.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 23, 2002, 01:29:42 AM
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It's not about money that the actors do or don't have.  Standard practice for guests at these things is to at least pay for their travel expenses.  Period.  Luciaphil



Bobubas and Luciaphil inspired another point I wanted to make:

I think that many people assume that folks who are (or have been) in the entertainment business make a lot of money.   I work in the entertainment business, and have done so on the legal end, and I can tell you from my own knowledge that the actors who got residuals from DS in syndication were lucky if they could support a ferret on the money.  There wasn't any significant money in the DS residuals even on a long term basis. During the run of DS, the actors worked on union scale and the more prominent actors got a little above scale.  The actors don't profit from the merchandising of DS because way back then, no one ever realized that the show or merchandise would be an issue decades later so contracts did not provide for that possibility. The DS  were generally just paid a flat fee back when DS was on for the use of their likeness and that was it.  Jonathan Frid gets nothing for the use of his image on all the books, the tapes, keyrings, underwear or whatever that is merchandised, and that is true for the other actors. He is the most marketed face from the series but receives nothing for the use of his image.  

I do know that many of the DS actors (from the original show) who attend the functions work very little as actors and have taken up other occupations - not necessarily by choice but just because they have to earn a living like the rest of us.  As Bobubas pointed out, it would be easy for these same actors to take advantage of the fact that they are wanted at these fan events but they don't do that. Sure, some of them have things to peddle but again there isn't a fortune to be made in these items.  

I don't hold any actor to be beholden to me because I supported him or her in a TV role just as I don't forever thank any employer for hiring me for a job I got paid for.
They got something out of it and so did I.

Nancy



     
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 23, 2002, 01:32:52 AM
maybe i didn't say it right Nancy  I really don't care if the actors get paid or not (if it's considered work then they should get paid) hey i've spend 10 hours promoting our hospital at tables sitting long periods of time it is tiring but that is volunteer work and these actors are working!
I just meant if you could fly them from LA to NY then Boston would cost the same that's all!Wasn't trying to attack you sorry if you got that inpression! also when you work long hours with very little recognition would be very flattering if someoHe wanted my autograph but hey that's my fault should have been a ballerina all those years ago! anyway thanks for all your input!

jennifer

Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 23, 2002, 01:40:35 AM
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maybe i didn't say it right Nancy  I really don't care if the actors get paid or not (if it's considered work then they should get paid) hey i've spend 10 hours promoting our hospital at tables sitting long periods of time it is tiring but that is volunteer work and these actors are working!
I just meant if you could fly them from LA to NY then Boston would cost the same that's all!Wasn't trying to attack you sorry if you got that inpression! also when you work long hours with very little recognition would be very flattering if someoHe wanted my autograph but hey that's my fault should have been a ballerina all those years ago! anyway thanks for all your input!

jennifer




No offense taken, Jennifer.  I understand your point.  

Nancy :D
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 23, 2002, 04:44:35 AM
<<I just meant if you could fly them from LA to NY then Boston would cost the same that's all."

Okay, let's look into the cost of bringing in the actors to Boston from New York.


Most people who live in NYC do not own cars, and I know the NYC actors who attend the fests dont own one.  So, they would have to have a car rented for them to travel to Boston.  Now, unfortunately, in NYC most car rental places insist on a minmum of two days if you rent the car on  weekend.  Car rentals in NY run as much as $70 a day or more.  Since the actors have different schedules, they would want to come up when they wanted.  You figure they would have the car for at least four days and if you add taxes (which is 8% in NY) to the total, you are looking at about $400 an actor.  This is about the price of airfare flying the LA based DS actors to the east whether it be Boston or NY.  

If you want to avoid the car rental thing and send the actors up by Amtrak train service, unreserved seating starts at around $150 round trip and if you travel on a Friday it can go as high at $181.00 per person.  So if each actor brings a spouse or friend along, you double the fare. Again, you are looking at costs similar to the airfare of bringing in the LA actors.

If you had the event in Newport, you are talking about skyrocket hotel prices. Newport is a wealthy area.  I've stayed there on business and with friends, and we paid big bucks for a decent hotel.   All the actors would have to be flown in to Providence, I believe, and then rent cars to be taken to Newport.  Car rentals there might not be all that much cheaper because of the resort areas near Providence.   The Amtrak schedule I looked at indicates there is no direct rail service to Newport.

The likelihood of getting reasonable accomodations during the summer months in Newport is slim to none. That is a big,wealthy resort area and a very popular one during the summer and early fall.  The price for everything goes up.

The trouble with promoting a festival being held in Boston is that it is not centrally located on the east coast. New York is.  It is easier to access for the people coming up from the south, and it has the added attraction of having Broadway and other key tourist attractions.  Many fans take advantage of the discounted hotel price for the Festivals in New York by coming in with their families, attend some of the fest, and then going out to see shows and other tourist attractions.  There are more tourist attractions in NYC.  (I Happen to like Boston a lot but if I give my friends across the country a choice of where to spend their time, they tend to pick NYC).   :-/  The actors too from LA would naturally prefer coming to NY and having access to the theater and those who were born and raised here visit family while in town for the festival.

The festivals in NY means no rental cars whatsoever for any of the actors, and no air fare for the four who do attend.   Rental cars are expensive.  The car insurance in New York is the highest in the nation (New Jersey is a close rival) which is one reason rentals are so high.    

I understand why many people would like to see the festivals in a city nearer to them.  It makes sense why they feel that way.   Unfortunately, practicality and finances dictate the the most reasonable locations for the DS festivals are New York and Los Angeles.

However, as I have said, anyone can put on a convention if they want to have a go at it in their own area of preference.  There is nothing to stop anyone from doing that.

Nancy :o
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: JVjr. on March 23, 2002, 04:49:09 AM
I've been a long time attender of these festivals and the one thing I would always recommend to fans that have never gone is, to go to your first because that is usually the best one you go to. Everything is new and exciting and I have rarely ever heard of a fan who didn't enjoy their first fest. As far as changes at the fest. goes. I would like to see more fan oriented events like fan videos, skits, costume galas, etc., because it would appear from all the reviews after the fest. one of the most common messages is "I got to meet this fan or that fan" and it just seems that anymore at these fests., that fans love seeing other fans that they haven't seen in a while or are meeting for the first time. I know personally that I always look forward to seeing the friends that I have made over the years at the fest., and spending time with them. The autograph lines have always been a problem good luck to the one who solves that problem. I think there should be alternative programming for such events as the auction. This way fans who do not wish to be there for the auction can have another option if they wish. I would love to see the stars speak more about the show like they used to years ago, even if some of us have to hear the same question answered over and over again. I used to love some of the stories that they would tell all of us, and i'm sure there are fans out there that would love to hear these stories and just don't get the chance anymore, because basically they spend much of their time speaking on things they are selling, rather than the show. At least at the cast reunion you get some stories, which is why, along with the fan events, the cast reunion has always been my favorite event.  
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: RingoCollins on March 23, 2002, 07:51:45 AM
A couple of points about other conventions techniques.

Check in:  At the registration table, tickets are bought, or torn [for those who mail ordered] each person is issued a colored/labeled plastic-paper wrist band [cannot be removed/transferred to another non-paying person] that can be flashed to the door guard at each exhibit.  Only takes a few seconds to attach wrist band, but must be worn all day to attend stuff.  Wrist bands are numbered for door prizes and autograph lines.

Autograph lines:  using the wrist band number, guests have set times and time limits per 'sitting' for signings.  Only certain wrist band numbers are allowed in lines for the particular signing - time frames and wrist band numbers are posted on wipe-off boards/bulleten boards so people know when to be in the area for wrist band times.  Doesn't have to be absolute numerical order, just 150- 200,  300 -350, something like that.  This reduces just standing in line time, and prevents the quest from being 'trapped' at the table due to the length of the line.  Most major guests are assigned a 'handler' to act as escort [see DS hooker thread ;)] and play 'bad-guy' when someone tries to corner the quest for autographs when not at a signing.  Also pretty strct quantities of items are posted in place for major guests, 3 to 5 the max, also reducing the time frame for the lines.   Photos with the guest are usually handled by signing the items, then moving beside the guest as they sign for the next person in line.

For major guests, I cannot remember being in line more than a half hour or so, and that is usually reasonable, and ya get to chat with fellow fans, at a random selection.

Usually by the third day of a 3 day show, most autograph lines are pretty well taken care of, and the whole process loosens up a bit, and the guests can chat and take more time with mingling and being less trapped [and some of the Beatle shows average 15,000 attending!!]

All guests are paid [a handsome sum in some cases] by the promoters, and most have photos, books, CDs, some kinda stuff to sell in the line for the autograph [ and most usually sign those items in addition to the items brought by fans, and over the limit set by the promoters]



Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 23, 2002, 08:51:52 AM
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<<I just meant if you could fly them from LA to NY then Boston would cost the same that's all."

Okay, let's look into the cost of bringing in the actors to Boston from New York.


Most people who live in NYC do not own cars, and I know the NYC actors who attend the fests dont own one.  So, they would have to have a car rented for them to travel to Boston.  Now, unfortunately, in NYC most car rental places insist on a minmum of two days if you rent the car on  weekend.  Car rentals in NY run as much as $70 a day or more.  Since the actors have different schedules, they would want to come up when they wanted.  You figure they would have the car for at least four days and if you add taxes (which is 8% in NY) to the total, you are looking at about $400 an actor.  This is about the price of airfare flying the LA based DS actors to the east whether it be Boston or NY.  

If you want to avoid the car rental thing and send the actors up by Amtrak train service, unreserved seating starts at around $150 round trip and if you travel on a Friday it can go as high at $181.00 per person.  So if each actor brings a spouse or friend along, you double the fare. Again, you are looking at costs similar to the airfare of bringing in the LA actors.

If you had the event in Newport, you are talking about skyrocket hotel prices. Newport is a wealthy area.  I've stayed there on business and with friends, and we paid big bucks for a decent hotel.   All the actors would have to be flown in to Providence, I believe, and then rent cars to be taken to Newport.  Car rentals there might not be all that much cheaper because of the resort areas near Providence.   The Amtrak schedule I looked at indicates there is no direct rail service to Newport.

The likelihood of getting reasonable accomodations during the summer months in Newport is slim to none. That is a big,wealthy resort area and a very popular one during the summer and early fall.  The price for everything goes up.

The trouble with promoting a festival being held in Boston is that it is not centrally located on the east coast. New York is.  It is easier to access for the people coming up from the south, and it has the added attraction of having Broadway and other key tourist attractions.  Many fans take advantage of the discounted hotel price for the Festivals in New York by coming in with their families, attend some of the fest, and then going out to see shows and other tourist attractions.  There are more tourist attractions in NYC.  (I Happen to like Boston a lot but if I give my friends across the country a choice of where to spend their time, they tend to pick NYC).   :-/  The actors too from LA would naturally prefer coming to NY and having access to the theater and those who were born and raised here visit family while in town for the festival.

The festivals in NY means no rental cars whatsoever for any of the actors, and no air fare for the four who do attend.   Rental cars are expensive.  The car insurance in New York is the highest in the nation (New Jersey is a close rival) which is one reason rentals are so high.    

I understand why many people would like to see the festivals in a city nearer to them.  It makes sense why they feel that way.   Unfortunately, practicality and finances dictate the the most reasonable locations for the DS festivals are New York and Los Angeles.

However, as I have said, anyone can put on a convention if they want to have a go at it in their own area of preference.  There is nothing to stop anyone from doing that.

Nancy :o



they can all stay at my house i have a long driveway
I'll even pick them up at the airport and feed them!
plus I have a place on the Cape not far from Newport!
I'm sorry we even mentioned other cities  and i know where NY and Boston are located! sorry nancybut i don't need a lecture i know you mean well but frankly you have really upset me and please don't reply and tell me i have misread you frankly you have taken a wish and ruined it for me !

i
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Karen_#2 on March 23, 2002, 09:27:36 AM
These have all been interesting posts, re: relocating the DS Fest to (fill in the city of your choice).

Once upon a time, I used to be active in another national fan club. For a number of years, they had "The Meeting of the Minds" in New Orleans. Central to the Continental US, and most everyone could make it. A few years ago, they moved it to Key West  8) . The first year, it was a hit. But in subsequent years, gradual attendance was decreasing (but you couldn't tell because there is usually two other festivals going on around the same time), unless you were from "that part of the country".

Some of the factors include added cost and accessibility getting to KW vs NO. Others were finding reliable lodging in a much smaller area. The sponsoring organization did have to import the band members and pay them, an added cost  :o .

Participating in many of the "posts" similar to this one, I heard the same comments. West Coast fans wanted more in their direction. Problem was, the "head beak"  :-X and some of his compadres lived in the middle and eastern part of the country (with exception to a couple of them who lived on the Left Coast). He, as a rule, didn't aways show up, but one year he did. Mainly, band members of his showed up and played.

I guess my point is, in order to get hit by lightening, you need to go stand in the rain. It comes down to practicality and the cost of putting on such an event. These type of events are *very* costly to put on, and they entail a huge, and sometimes excruciating amount of planning and detail to pull off so *all*, or at the very least, most all will have a positive experience when putting down their own coin to attend these events.

It could be worse...they might not exist at all simply because of the cost and practicality of putting it on. Enjoy them while you can.  Better to travel and see it once than to not have the experience of going at all.

just my .02,   :-*

Karen #2
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: jennifer on March 23, 2002, 09:36:24 AM
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These have all been interesting posts, re: relocating the DS Fest to (fill in the city of your choice).

Once upon a time, I used to be active in another national fan club. For a number of years, they had "The Meeting of the Minds" in New Orleans. Central to the Continental US, and most everyone could make it. A few years ago, they moved it to Key West  8) . The first year, it was a hit. But in subsequent years, gradual attendance was decreasing (but you couldn't tell because there is usually two other festivals going on around the same time), unless you were from "that part of the country".

Some of the factors include added cost and accessibility getting to KW vs NO. Others were finding reliable lodging in a much smaller area. The sponsoring organization did have to import the band members and pay them, an added cost  :o .

Participating in many of the "posts" similar to this one, I heard the same comments. West Coast fans wanted more in their direction. Problem was, the "head beak"  :-X and some of his compadres lived in the middle and eastern part of the country (with exception to a couple of them who lived on the Left Coast). He, as a rule, didn't aways show up, but one year he did. Mainly, band members of his showed up and played.

I guess my point is, in order to get hit by lightening, you need to go stand in the rain. It comes down to practicality and the cost of putting on such an event. These type of events are *very* costly to put on, and they entail a huge, and sometimes excruciating amount of planning and detail to pull off so *all*, or at the very least, most all will have a positive experience when putting down their own coin to attend these events.

It could be worse...they might not exist at all simply because of the cost and practicality of putting it on. Enjoy them while you can.  Better to travel and see it once than to not have the experience of going at all.

just my .02,   :-*

Karen #2


you know Karen just on my way to bed when i came across your post it was very sweet and to the point
thank you
jennifer
forget DS fests I'm going to dream Timothy Dalton as
HeathCliff comes to Boston
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 23, 2002, 10:30:46 AM
Jennifer wrote:
<they can all stay at my house i have a long driveway
I'll even pick them up at the airport and feed them!
plus I have a place on the Cape not far from Newport!
I'm sorry we even mentioned other cities  and i know where NY and Boston are located! sorry nancybut i don't need a lecture i know you mean well but frankly you have really upset me and please don't reply and tell me i have misread you frankly you have taken a wish and ruined it for me !>>

Nothing is ruined since there are alternatives.  But people have to be willing to take on the work involved and fully explore the practicalities to make it work.  The purpose of this thread was to give suggestions about how to improve festivals, and some asked why the festivals were not held in other cities besides New York and Los Angeles.  I pointed out the financial aspects of having a festival in two suggested areas: Boston and Newport.  As they were suggested as alternative sites for a major festival, they were game for further discussion and analysis.  I gave what I knew would be the obstacles for having a full blown festival at either site.  What I did was share my opinion about the cost involved with Boston and Newport.  This is what you would do if you were on a committee or any group of people, such as those contributing to this thread.  You can't ever hope to get what you what if you don't fully explore the obstacles first.  Obstacles can be overcome.  Alternatives can be found.

Alternatives including a group of fans planning a mini-convention in another city further north or in the midwest and inviting just one or two of the actors. Or, you can just not invite any actors at all and spend the weekend in a fan-only environment sharing artwork and crafts oriented to DS, watch episodes, the movies and have a costume ball maybe.  These are things fans enjoy doing and there is no reason why fans in Boston or anywhere else cannot further consider having a mini-con with no actors - fans only - or try to get just one or two actors to come.  This cuts down drastically on expenses/overhead and would allow DS fans in other areas of the country to get together without having to travel to either coast.   You have access to publicity via ShadowGram and the internet and whether or not anyone had one or two actors or just had a fan-only event, they could get the function promoted easily enough.  

Thinking on a smaller scale would enable fans who can't or won't travel to either coast to have a DS event in their area.  That would be a great thing.

Nancy
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 23, 2002, 10:38:29 AM
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Autograph lines:  using the wrist band number, guests have set times and time limits per 'sitting' for signings.  Only certain wrist band numbers are allowed in lines for the particular signing - time frames and wrist band numbers are posted on wipe-off boards/bulleten boards so people know when to be in the area for wrist band times.  Doesn't have to be absolute numerical order, just 150- 200,  300 -350, something like that.  This reduces just standing in line time, and prevents the quest from being 'trapped' at the table due to the length of the line.  Most major guests are assigned a 'handler' to act as escort [see DS hooker thread ] and play 'bad-guy' when someone tries to corner the quest for autographs when not at a signing.  Also pretty strct quantities of items are posted in place for major guests, 3 to 5 the max, also reducing the time frame for the lines.   Photos with the guest are usually handled by signing the items, then moving beside the guest as they sign for the next person in line>>



This is a great idea, Ringo.  There are (or were) restrictions at one time about how many items could be autographed at a time.  One of the problems I heard about at the festival is that some of the actors insist on selling their wares during the autograph line at their table.  This holds up the line, as you can imagine.  It would be awkward, I imagine, to tell one of the actors he/she could not sell their stuff during the autograph line so I don't have a suggestion for handling that . . :-X

There are people who only come for one day so your suggestion of the wristband would need to be altered to serve the needs of the single day attendee.  But I like the wristband idea.

Nancy
Title: *** PLEASE READ ***
Post by: Midnite on March 23, 2002, 10:57:46 AM
Obviously, this discussion has led to hurt feelings.  I've often stated that debate on these forums is advocated, but NOT to the point of contentiousness.

I'm asking that the focus of the topic, from this point on, be on Festival organization and activities.  Anything else, including any disillusionment one might feel about fans or actors at these events or the subject of Festival locations, will be removed.  I know that the board rules support me on this; please note the following statement from guideline #3:
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Likewise, these disagreements should not be continued beyond the normal limits of interesting discourse. Argument for argument's sake is not welcome.

Darren has invited fans to offer input about how Fests can be improved.  I thought it was a WONDERFUL opportunity for any of us that might decide to attend a DS Fest at some point in the future, and fans have made marvelous points, but if anyone wants to waste this chance by arguing, then I want to be very clear that my priority as moderator will always be the comfort level of all visitors to these forums-- lurkers and posters alike-- and I WILL lock the topic to further posting if any argument occurs.

Thanks,

Midnite
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: TEStokes on March 23, 2002, 01:07:12 PM
Concerning the suggestion that fans wear wrist bands that permit them to see different actors at different times, logistically I have to wonder if it is possible. Will there be monitors actively checking them? There could be quite an ugly incident indeed if someone was waiting 2 hours in line for Lara Parker only to have her say, "Oh, I am sorry, you have the wrong wrist band, goodbye." ?!?

:D
--JAKE
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: VAM on March 23, 2002, 03:18:51 PM
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There could be quite an ugly incident indeed if someone was waiting 2 hours in line for Lara Parker only to have her say, "Oh, I am sorry, you have the wrong wrist band, goodbye." ?!?

:D
--JAKE


I don't see that happening because I think Ms. Parker would still give the autograph to the individual.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Julia99 on March 23, 2002, 07:07:49 PM
I took Nancy's suggestion and emailed my thoughts directly to the DS Organization and here is their reply (excerpted)--

"Electronic registration - I only wish it were possible!

The 'cards' are pre-printed (by computer) for those who pre-register.  Elsewhere, I have watched 'cards' printed on-site for those who register at the door and believe me, it takes longer than printing the name by hand because someone has to go to the printer and bring the card back to where it is given out.  The physical layout does not provide enough space for a computer and printer where the registration takes place.

It's always difficult to keep the guests on time - they must be kept happy and sometimes they run over the time allowed.  It's a big challenge to keep the Festival on time and I admit it's not always possible.

I like your idea of a memorial photo and book for the families of deceased actors!

Space is limited for setting up tables at which fans can congregate.  Let's see what space will be available in Anaheim. ):  
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Luciaphile on March 23, 2002, 11:39:09 PM
It seems like there are two options here:

1. Interested parties take the practicable and practical suggestions to the DS fest people, (i.e. not penalizing the pre-registrants by making them wait longer than the people who just show up, wrist bands, etc) and hope for the best.

2. Interested parties explore options for doing their own mini-cons in alternative cities.  That involves an awful lot of work, but it is doable, particularly if you do as was suggested and limit the festivities to smaller sizes and maybe one or two guests.

It's perfectly workable to set up alternatives or to improve what's already in place, but you have to be practical and keep in mind what's involved.  Heck, maybe you could come up with something really cool and fun, simply because it was on a smaller and more intimate scale.

Luciaphil
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Raineypark on March 23, 2002, 11:49:53 PM
This has absolutely nothing to do with festivals, but with the guests I presume most people go to see....

Has anyone ever tried to get one of the performers to get on a board like this one, for a pre-arranged "talk to the guest" event?  

Is such a thing even do-able technically?  I know NOTHING about how this cyberstuff works, and I can just imagine how complicated it would be to have all 120 of us trying to get a word in with our DS guest, but heck, I'd sit up half the night and wait in a cyberline to "talk" to some of them.  

I'm sure it would be nothing like the thrill of meeting them in person, but it might be as close as some of us ever get.

Midnite, Mysterious....am I wishing for the impossible here?
Raineypark

Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: RingoCollins on March 24, 2002, 01:13:28 AM
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...to wonder if it is possible. Will there be monitors actively checking them? .
:D
--JAKE



Yes there are quite an 'army' of volunteers [many are younger fans, who get in free that way, and it gives them something to do!] at Beatlefest, all constantly checking wristbands, and at 'time critical' events like autograph lines, the security dudes are marines - literally MARINES, or off duty NYC cops! - and not even those with intense attitude give these guys a lot of trouble.  And that usually takes the heat off the guest, I can't recall ever seeing a problem in a line or function at one of the shows.  Now, sure, Mark the promoter takes his lumps verbally sometimes, being acused of being a Nazi and making a lot of money off the convention, but truth is, it is always increasing in attendance [like this board ;D] and it is certainly a wonderful weekend for Beatle-people.

As to the logistics of the daily wrist band routine, yep, every body has to check in at registration desk each day [and many only go for one or two days - and each day has a separate admission charge, or a 3-day pass]  Each days wrist band is a different color, or one day has stars, the next day has dots, etc.

The real key to any of these issues is planning and communication by the promoters.   Let the fans know what the conditions, and 'rules' are gonna be.  Let the guests know what they will be dealing with, and what their conditons [and expectations] will be.  Have enough help [volunteer and 'professional'] and have them trained and able to use reasonable authority and tact.  From my personal experiences with the DS celebs, they have been more than accomodating, even with some exceptionally over-enthusiastic fans [and a few nut-cases! ;)]  The fans also need to have realistic expectation of what the event will be like, and practice moderation [and medication, such as in my case!! ::)]

We are indeed fortunate to have such opportunites to tell those folks 'thanks' for the excitement, happiness and distraction they have brought to an otherwise BORING situation.  [Letterman has been delayed by some ball game the last few nights and I have stared at the Leno show, wondering 'how does this guy keep his job?']

How many such fan gatherings are there?  The Waltonfest?  One Day At A Time-athon?  Dragnet-work?
We are lucky.

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Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Midnite on March 24, 2002, 01:28:40 AM
I removed a message in this topic and trimmed another.  My apologies to the posters if this news is upsetting, but I want to assure them that it wasn't done because either post was in any way problematic on its own, but solely because the subject of festival locations was declared off limits prior to their appearance, and the reason for doing that can be read 6 messages up in this topic.  (Er, make that 6 up on the previous page.)

Raineypark, no, we haven't had any DS stars "live" on the board (more like as silent visitors ;) ), though something similar to what you're suggesting has been done very successfully in live chats.  We were given access to the logs of some of these past chats on AOL, and I swear that they'll get onto a forum set up for them one of these days, hee hee!!

Come to think of it, we were treated to some very pleasant discussions with Matthew Hall, writer of the '91 series and son of, well, *you know*, who stopped by 2 or 3 times via a cyber cafe to answer fan questions (mostly about his book "Art of Breaking Glass") back in the old VantageNet days.  I still have all those messages saved with my VNet stuff.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Raineypark on March 24, 2002, 03:54:39 AM
Okay Midnite, you just give me the SLIGHTEST hint that there's a chance in Hades John Karlen might be on this board some night and I will gladly ship hubby, kid and dog off to my mother-in-law's, stay up all night, and "make Novenas" , just for the chance to say Thank You to the man for the kiss he gave a 14-year-old fan 35 years ago, outside a theater door....I was too dumbstruck to thank him at the time.....  :-*  :o  :D
Raineypark
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Midnite on March 24, 2002, 05:34:30 AM
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Okay Midnite, you just give me the SLIGHTEST hint that there's a chance in Hades John Karlen might be on this board some night and I will gladly ship hubby, kid and dog off to my mother-in-law's, stay up all night, and "make Novenas" , just for the chance to say Thank You to the man for the kiss he gave a 14-year-old fan 35 years ago, outside a theater door....I was too dumbstruck to thank him at the time.....

How sweet!  I'd love to hear more about that experience.  I wish I could say there's a chance he'll show up, but I'm not aware that Karlen is even online, though maybe someone else here knows differently.  However, I've always found him to be one of THE most accessible actors at Fests who doesn't seem to mind chatting with fans in lobbies, elevators, hallways...

Booked your flight to L.A. yet, Raineypark? ;)
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: ReneeC on March 24, 2002, 06:33:45 AM
[Message forwarded to pansyfaye@darkshadowsfestival.com --Midnite]
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on March 24, 2002, 08:23:48 AM
Well, I see it didn't take someone long to start using one of the new animated avatars. [winkb] Good for you, ReneeC! [thumb]
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Midnite on March 24, 2002, 09:19:56 AM
Welcome, ReneeC!

ALL the comments about Festival locations that have not stayed on the board are being forwarded to pansyfaye@darkshadowsfestival.com .  Pansyfaye has been reading all the suggestions in this topic and also invites fans to email their opinions about the Fests to her.  She said that while she can't promise that changes will be made, she has given her assurance that all suggestions will be given consideration.

I'll be continuing to remove comments regarding Festival locations because the topic has caused problems here but I'm thrilled to know that the wonderful comments made are still being heard.
Title: Re: What ways do you think the Dark Shadows Festivals be improve
Post by: Nancy on March 24, 2002, 07:44:39 PM
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How many such fan gatherings are there?  The Waltonfest?  One Day At A Time-athon?  Dragnet-work?
We are lucky.

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My understanding is that there are many many fan gatherings for just about any famous TV show, even certain movies such as The Rocky Horror Picture Show.  Some conventions are called something like MediaCon and it hosts a variety of fan interests under one "umbrella" convention.   It is true that at some of these conventions, no guests are invited other than fan guests (i.e., known fan artists, fan fic writers) but no actors from the particular series or movie.  It is important for many fans to bond with each other since it is not likely most of them will ever bond with any of the actor guests.   That kind of opportunity is rare.  The fans are the ones that keep these functions alive and kicking.  

Also, not having guests cuts down on overhead and also decreases the pressure and chaos of an event.  The fans are there only for each other.  I know people who have gone to these event and enjoyed them.  

Nancy