DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '15 I => Topic started by: Joeytrom on February 06, 2015, 02:26:42 PM
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Was this ever mentioned again after 1968?
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Gosh, the cannery! I don't think we ever hear about it again. I remember how big a deal it was in the early days of the show. It would have been interesting to hear more about the good people of Collinsport and their relationship with their, um, overlords, but DC veered off into the supernatural and that was that.
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We never did hear anything more about it, did we? And didn't the Collinses have other financial activities as well? Didn't they also own a fleet of fishing boats to supply the canneries? Didn't they even build vessels? All of it vanished and we never heard again about how they made their moola. The next time we heard anything was in the 12DS when Barnabas helped relaunch the family business in opposition to AngieBay.
Gerard
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I don't recall it being mentioned in specifics...
but it was the established background source of the family's income and wealth. and the financial hardships that plagued the family during the early episodes ceased to be a factor after the show went supernatural as well. or at least they were never mentioned. the last time it was hinted at was when Roger was looking at his "rich cousin from England" as a potential source of income in 1967.
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and...
I don't recall if the cannery was mentioned explicitly but let's not forget Louis Edmonds' frequent absences were always explained by Roger being in Boston or Bangor on "business trips".
so the family business always remained something of a background presence.
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What about the 'ship' (can't remember if it was in a bottle) which David has? I think it's mentioned as a former, current, or shall-be type ship.
So funny; I saw this thread while watching Sam, Dean, ((Rufus)), Bobby and Grandpa Mitch Pileggi on Supernatural. (This was at the cannery!)
By 1968ish, how much 'fishing' was done by a few 'boats', wasn't most done on a large scale? (Which, of course, within less than 20 years, would lead into the 'catching dolphins while fishing with large nets.)
Patti
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That ship was mentioned in the '70 haunting story line with Gerard/Daphne and seemingly had some importance, but then it quickly vanished. It was never mentioned in the 1840/41 plot.
Gerard
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But Gerard, was it a 'real' ship, or just a model (I know there's some meaning?, but I can't recall).
Patti
HEY MB...MAYBE YOU'RE GETTING SO MUCH SNOW, BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE DIMMED ELUSIVE SNOWMEN....change 'em (hiding now) [snow_rolleyes]
Patti
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David's model ship was not in a bottle and was called the Java Queen. Later it figured prominently in the 1970 lead-up to the 1840 story, and not in a good way.
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It seemed that The Java Queen was going to play a big part in the 1840 story but it just isn't mentioned. Maybe our fearless leader DC didn't want to spring for the expense of that kind of set. The ship never shows up, nor does its crew of zombie pirates without lines.
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DarkLady & Uncle Roger...thank you.
I knew it had some sort of 'ominous' relationship.
Is it ever mentioned how it ends up in David's room?
Patti
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Thank YOU, Patti! Uncle Roger, you're right about 1840. I had forgotten there was this big build-up to Gerard's former piratical career but it never happened.
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It's just one of the many things that we were led to expect would be pivotal parts of the 1840 story and ended up being quite the opposite. [snow_silly] [snow_silly] [snow_silly]
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I'm not seeing what a plot development from 1840 has to do with the cannery [snow_huh] [snow_huh] [snow_huh]
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I suppose the Cannery was still there in 1840.
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"still" there???
I don't believe a fish cannery could operate in the pre-industrial age. [snow_huh]
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lol, that was a joke.
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Maybe not. I think that when Roger gave Vicki the grand tour of the cannery, he mentioned that the Collinses had begun as whalers before switching to sardines. So maybe they had a whale-oil processing factory earlier.
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I don't know when food began to be put in cans, but it before assembly lines.
So is this it: The Java Queen goes down off Collinsport and all are buried next door or close. It was a different ship that Q #1 and his son were on, that went down. Gerard was on both ships? Quentin 2 gets Jamison a ship model... of the Java Queen? then David inherits it. I'm sure that's full of errors.
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I don't think (and certainly I may be wrong) that Quentin #2 gave Jameson Java Queen .
I really do not remember Roger giving Vicki a tour of the cannery (was this just mentioned)?
Napoleon really was quite influential on updating canning processes (there's our history lesson of today). But, there was canning before Napoleon (or before he was an adult).
Whaling in 1700s (or, late 1600s), doable....
Patti
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Roger did indeed give Vicki a tour of the cannery...
it was a 1966 episode where Roger wanted to get Vicki out of the house for some reason. so he created a ruse about wanting to give her a "tour" of Collinsport and the cannery. they went into town, visited the cannery, had lunch (or breakfast) at the diner and then I think Roger brought Vicki into the sheriff's office for some reason. probably something to do with "the pen" or giving him an alibi maybe for the night of Malloy's murder. something of that sort.
it was an episode that amply employed the early exterior footage.
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I don't know when food began to be put in cans, but it before assembly lines.
Being a historian, Magnus, I'd have to do some research since I don't exactly remember, but I think canned food was invented during the Civil War to provide Union troops with sustenance that wouldn't go bad while on the battle field. From what I recall, that led to the invention of the can-opener because there was no way to open the things. It's interesting the wars have led to the discovery of many of the things we commonly use today.
Gerard
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Thanks Gerard and Patti. More historical detail welcome. It's funny, I vaguely remember hearing stories of many of these inventions, but can't place them at all in time, because that part may not have been emphasized, only the immediate circumstances.
It just occurred to me, thinking of Roger's "tour" of the cannery for Vicki might have gone considering lack of film footage... maybe a stock still picture of a sardine in a can could have been used, while Roger says authoritatively, why yes Vicki, that's one of our sardines, don't touch it, it's slimy.... now let's get the hell out of this place it smells...
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Thanks Gerard and Patti--and you too, MT! Gerard, if you do any research, please let us know what you find out.
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I've always wondered what happened to the Logansport cannery after Burke died. Maybe the Collins' snatched it up...
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The live footage of Roger showing the cannery to Vicky was one of the few, if not only, times that sound was used in live footage from a person.