DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '03 II => Topic started by: Bob_the_Bartender on August 20, 2003, 02:05:43 AM
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Hey gang,
Dan Curtis and the Dark Shadows writers deserve high praise for their exciting and thought-provoking 1995 trip-to-the-future story line. I remember being glued to the television screen, watching these great episodes as a young kid way back in 1970.
And, even today, as a somewhat older "juvenile," I still have to marvel at Dan Curtis, et al's fascinating sojurn, "to boldly go (splint infinitive!) where, at least, no other soap opera had gone before!"
If I have one small complaint with the trip-to-the-future story line, it is that we did not get to see more of Collinsport proper and its familiar residents, circa 1995. Ten episodes just did not seem enough to do justice to this intriguing and unique story line.
Sure, we got to see the reassuringly familiar office of Sheriff Patterson's successor in the Collinsport Police Department building. It was nice to see that the room's spartan decor had not changed much in twenty-five years. (Wouldn't it have been cool to have seen an official 1995 photograph of the 42nd President of the US, William Jefferson Clinton, on the sheriff's wall, just as there had been an official 1966 photograph of the 36th President of the US, Lyndon Baines Johnson, on Sheriff Patterson's office wall?)
By the way, I get the impression that the Collinsport town fathers had to conduct a nationwide search to find Sheriff Patterson's successor. I know that the apparently unnamed 1995 sheriff said that he had grown up in Collinsport, but to me, Collinsport's top cop sounded more like a product of Birmingham, AL than of Bangor, ME!
Of course, we got to get a quick look at the Collinsport Town Hall (which looked suspiciously like the lobby of the Collinsport Inn). I especially enjoyed seeing the enigmatic Ed, the Collinsport Town Hall records clerk. However, for a second there, I thought I was seeing the late, great Abe Beame. With the grey hair, the sharp features and being short of stature, Ed looked remarkably like Mr. Beame, the former two-term mayor of New York City. (Perhaps, such NYC-area DS fans as Raineypark, Cassandra and RobinV will agree with me in that comparison.)
Certainly, it was fascinating to see Carolyn Stoddard-Hawks, Mrs. Johnson and Prof. Stokes at their various, advanced stages of life. And, while Carolyn was "slightly" confused, the eternally-youthful Quentin, positively, had both oars out of the water. ("I believe anything and everything!")
Yet, I still wish that we could have seen Barnabas and Julia visiting some of the old, familiar "haunts" of Collinsport. Was the Collins Cannery still a thriving business in 1995? (As we shall see, not all of the unseen and unaccounted for Collinses perished in the summer of 1970, but, much more about that later on.)
Does Widow's Hill still look the same in 1995? Perhaps the land was sold, and beautiful (not to mention extremely expensive) homes were built there, to take advantage of the panoramic view of the beautiful Atlantic Ocean.
Nevertheless, the one "unforgivable" mortal sin that Dan Curtis committed , IMHO, is that we did NOT get to see the beloved Blue Whale Tavern. Now, I'll freely admit that the Blue Whale is my favorite Dark Shadows set because it housed my all-time favorite DS character/role model, bartender Bob Rooney.
Surely, we all got to see so many memorable events in Bob Rooney's fine establishment over the years: the heartwarming start of Maggie and Joe's romance (also, the not-so-heartwarming start of Carolyn and Buzz Hackett's so-called "romance"!), Burke Devlin's savage bar fight with the then-thuggish Willie Loomis, and Maggie's dramatic and shocking return from Windcliff (and the presumed-to-be-dead) to name but a few.
I would have liked to have seen Barnabas and Julia make a sentimental journey into the Blue Whale for old times' sake. Was the cigarette machine still there in the more health conscious times of 1995? (If it wasn't, I'll bet that Julia Hoffman, M.D., was really bummed out that she could not get a pack of butts!)
What about the familiar telephone booth that so many DS characters used during truly crucial and urgent moments back during the late 1960s? No doubt, the 1995 Blue Whale patrons were all using handheld cell phones, much to Mr. B. and Dr. H.'s bemusement and astonishment!
What if Barnabas happened to walk over to the juke box, would he find those two (and, possibly only) songs there on the play list, "Meet Me At the Blue Whale" and the theme song from the film, "A Man and a Woman"?
Somehow, I think that after Barnabas put a couple of quarters into the juke box (unlike the single 25 cent charge to play a song in 1970), and heard, say, the unfamiliar sounds of Alanis Morissette's "Jagged Little Pill" or Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise," Barnabas would turn to Dr. Hoffman, seated at a nearby table and remarked: "Why, Julia, I'm dismayed to learn that people listen to such cacophonous claptrap in 1995."
And, what would Barnabas and Julia have made of Bob Rooney's successor behind the bar? Instead of seeing a familiar, chunky, middle-aged guy wearing a Sears plaid, flannel shirt and pouring draft beer into a stein, they now see a lean, perfectly-coiffed young guy, attired in a stylish Tommy Hilfiger shirt, and twirling a couple of whiskey bottles into the air, a la Tom Cruise in the film classic, "Cocktail."
Barnabas and Julia would have been shocked to have learned that the foppish bartender, Jared Clark, was the twenty-something progeny of an illicit Portsmith "rendezvous" between the now departed Jeff Clark and the late (and not to mention extremely "friendly") Donna Friedlander.
Perhaps Bob Rooney has long since retired to balmy Key West, Florida. I can see Bob bartending occasionally at the world-famous Sloppy Joe's Tavern and also appearing nightly at sunset at the Mallory Square Dock on west Duval Street, as "Bartender Bob: America's Southernmost Down-East Saloon Keeper" along with the rest of the assembled and aging hippies, bag pipe players, contortionists, etc.
Heck, with a grey beard and a few extra pounds, the venerable Mr. Rooney might even enter (and, no doubt, win) the annual Ernest "Papa" Hemingway Lookalike Contest in Key West!
One final "haunt" that I wish that Barnabas and Julia had visited in 1995, was the always popular Collinsport Cinema. Can you imagine, if in an attempt to familiarize themselves with the culture and mores of 1995, Mr. B. and Dr. H. just happened to attend an extremely early (and, I mean eight years early) sneak preview of the smash hit "Gigli," starring the beautiful Jennifer Lopez and the dashing Ben Affleck?
Somehow, after seeing just ten minutes of the film, I think Barnabas would have turned to Dr. Hoffman in the theater, and said: "My God, Julia, this is excrutiatingly bad! No wonder why everyone is so positively messed up in 1995!"
With that, Barnabas and Julia would probably race back to Angelique's East Wing room, in the desperate hope of returning to Parallel Time 1970, realizing that life there (even in a burned-out Collinwood) would be far better that actually living through this nightmare of a true scenario in Real Time 1995!
Bob the Bartender, who respectfully disagrees with the delightful Ms. Doris Day, by saying that "the future IS ours to see" (if you just happen to live in the mythical town of Collinsport, Maine!).
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Holy Mother, Bob....are YOU in rare form tonight!!
Abe Beame?!! Do I remember Abe Beame?!! You betcha! I swear, sometimes reading your posts is like flipping through an old photo album [lghy]
"Jagged Little Pill"? Papa Hemingway? (One of my LEAST favorite authors, by the way....boring, boring, boring!!!)....seriously....are you SURE you're watching the same show we are? [winkb]
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You ARE in rare form on this one Bob.
And Rainetpark, when I had read that you too had thought that "Papa" Hemingway was boring, I knew right then, that we were on the same wave. He was boring...boring...boring.
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Oh SO boring...boring...boring!!!
Bob - totally loved your diatribe regarding what you'd like to have seen in 1995. The bit about Barnabas and Julia at the Blue Whale listening to the hits of '95 on the jukebox (Gangsta's Paradise - ha!) was really too much.
Thanks for giving my morning a lift!
CB
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I'd bet money that most women who were forced to read Hemingway in High School and College in the 60's - 70's found his macho crap astonishingly boring. The women before us probably didn't think they were ALLOWED to be bored by Hemingway....and the women AFTER us might be asking "Hemingway who?". [vryevl]
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I'd bet money that most women who were forced to read Hemingway in High School and College in the 60's - 70's found his macho crap astonishingly boring. The women before us probably didn't think they were ALLOWED to be bored by Hemingway....and the women AFTER us might be asking "Hemingway who?". [vryevl]
Raineypark,
I take it from your posting, that you will most certainly NOT be touring the historic Hemingway House, replete with "Papa's" six-toed cats and the commemorative men's urinal that the macho author allegedly purloined from his favorite watering hole, Sloppy Joe's Tavern, during any future trips to the land of the so-called "Conch" people?
Bob the Bartender, key lime pie junkie!
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No Bob....I wouldn't bother to peak out the window to see Hemingway Resurected from the dead.
But I make a fabulous Keye Lime Pie!!! Learned the art from an Aunt of my husband who walked out of Georgia and down to the Keyes during the Great Depression. She just turned 93.
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And, what would Barnabas and Julia have made of Bob Rooney's successor behind the bar? Instead of seeing a familiar, chunky, middle-aged guy wearing a Sears plaid, flannel shirt and pouring draft beer into a stein, they now see a lean, perfectly-coiffed young guy, attired in a stylish Tommy Hilfiger shirt, and twirling a couple of whiskey bottles into the air, a la Tom Cruise in the film classic, "Cocktail."
This is Maine and poor Bob Rooney will be tending bar until he drops dead. The juke box would still have the same two songs. The ciggie machine would forever occupy the same sacred spot. For example, my town in Maine has one name restaurant to eat breakfast "Dennys". It was still decorated for 1970. The tables and chairs were literally falling apart. Last month, the restaurant was finally updated. It took 33 years for this restaurant to be renovated. I think Barnabas and Julia would find everything exactly the way they left it. Good ol' Bob would still be wearing the same thread bare plaid shirt.
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Hey Bob you are riot thanks for making me
smile and laugh!!!!
Love Anne ;D ;D ;D ;) ;)
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I know that the apparently unnamed 1995 sheriff said that he had grown up in Collinsport, but to me, Collinsport's top cop sounded more like a product of Birmingham, AL than of Bangor, ME!
And his greasy Deep South pompadour didn't help matters!
Bob, you crack me up...
;D
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I'd bet money that most women who were forced to read Hemingway in High School and College in the 60's - 70's found his macho crap astonishingly boring. The women before us probably didn't think they were ALLOWED to be bored by Hemingway....and the women AFTER us might be asking "Hemingway who?". [vryevl]
Give that lady a ceegar...she hit the nail on the head!!!!!
Patti
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This is Maine and poor Bob Rooney will be tending bar until he drops dead. The juke box would still have the same two songs. The ciggie machine would forever occupy the same sacred spot. For example, my town in Maine has one name restaurant to eat breakfast "Dennys". It was still decorated for 1970. The tables and chairs were literally falling apart. Last month, the restaurant was finally updated. It took 33 years for this restaurant to be renovated. I think Barnabas and Julia would find everything exactly the way they left it. Good ol' Bob would still be wearing the same thread bare plaid shirt.
onyx_treasure,
I have it on good authority that Mr. Rooney buys all of his formal clothes (flannel shirts, thermal underwear, waterproof boots, etc.) at the L.L. Bean Return Store in scenic Freeport, ME. (Bob not only gets a cheaper price on these trendy items, but he also saves on the shipping charge by driving his Plymouth Duster from Collinsport down to Freeport, a very pleasant drive, indeed!)
By the way, as a native of Maine, would it be considered to be bad form (if not an act of treason) for a lifelong Down-Easter to be seen walking around Collinsport or Augusta wearing either a Lands End or Eddie Bauer down coat?
Bob the Bartender, a big fan of Kennebunkport!
PS "To Have and Have Not," A great book and a great film!!!
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PS "To Have and Have Not," A great book and a great film!!!
Sorry, Roberto......Bogart and Bacall could make Art out of a toothpaste commercial.....but Hemingway is STILL boooooooring :P
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Well, at least "Papa" is a better read than, say, Erich Segal, Danielle Steele or even William Hollingshead Loomis!
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Well, at least "Papa" is a better read than, say, Erich Segal, Danielle Steele or even William Hollingshead Loomis!
Well....I wouldn't know. I've never read anything by any of them. But if someone happens to have a copy of Mr. Loomis' biography of Barnabas Collins.....I'd love to borrow it! :D
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Somehow, I think that after Barnabas put a couple of quarters into the juke box (unlike the single 25 cent charge to play a song in 1970), and heard, say, the unfamiliar sounds of Alanis Morissette's "Jagged Little Pill" or Coolio's "Gangsta's Paradise," Barnabas would turn to Dr. Hoffman, seated at a nearby table and remarked: "Why, Julia, I'm dismayed to learn that people listen to such cacophonous claptrap in 1995."
Bob, these were hysterical!! Im still laughing!
And along with the music could you imagine what he would have thought of the clothes in 1995?!
One final "haunt" that I wish that Barnabas and Julia had visited in 1995, was the always popular Collinsport Cinema. Can you imagine, if in an attempt to familiarize themselves with the culture and mores of 1995, Mr. B. and Dr. H. just happened to attend an extremely early (and, I mean eight years early) sneak preview of the smash hit "Gigli," starring the beautiful Jennifer Lopez and the dashing Ben Affleck?
Somehow, after seeing just ten minutes of the film, I think Barnabas would have turned to Dr. Hoffman in the theater, and said: "My God, Julia, this is excrutiatingly bad! No wonder why everyone is so positively messed up in 1995!"
ROTFL!!! And just think, he hasn't even seen half of it yet!!!
(And you know, I thought that desk clerk reminded me of someone!! Thanks for reminding me Bob!)
Cassandra
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Hey! I was forced to read Hemingway in high school, along with the Great Gatsby. Not Hemingway either but both so mind-numbingly boring in my opinion, that I wanted to throttle my English teacher.
As for Sherrif Patterson's youthful replacement, what the hell was he doing with his pencil the whole time he was questioning Julia and Barnabas? That was driving me crazy!
And where were the computers?
~Arashi
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Well, at least "Papa" is a better read than, say, Erich Segal, Danielle Steele or even William Hollingshead Loomis!
Well....I wouldn't know. I've never read anything by any of them. But if someone happens to have a copy of Mr. Loomis' biography of Barnabas Collins.....I'd love to borrow it! :D
Raineypark,
Well, maybe while PT Quentin is sifting through the wreckage in Angelique's burned-out room, he'll just happen to pick-up that torn (and now singed) copy of "The Life and Death of Barnabas Collins," and, in his normal ticked off, "reactionary" frame of mind, the Q-Man will toss the book violently into the corridor, just as the barrier between the two time bands disappears momentarily. That'll be your chance to grab a copy of W.H.L.'s tome!
Bob the Bartender, who wonders if they have a Cliff Notes "edition" (or, better yet, a Classics' Illustrated version) of W. H. Loomis' epic work?
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I'll be keeping an eye out for it in the local Used Book stores, Bob. You let me know if you ever come across it. :D
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I'll be keeping an eye out for it in the local Used Book stores, Bob. You let me know if you ever come across it. :D
I'll look for it in the world famous "Book Bin" store in beautiful Point Pleasant, NJ. This charming, old-fashioned bookstore has tons of fascinating, out-of-print, hard-to-locate books by many wonderful authors such as Clifford Irving, Julia Hoffman, M.D. and, your favorite and mine, Ernest "Papa " Hemingway!!!
I understand that Mrs. Stoddard had an account with this "procurer" of rare and eclectic works during her self-imposed 18-year-exile in the great house of Collinwood.
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Hmmmm....wonder what else might have been "procured" for her over all those years? >:D
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And where were the computers?
Good question. And the Beepers, cell phones, pagers, etc...?
Cassandra
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Good question. And the Beepers, cell phones, pagers, etc...?
You know I was wondering the same thing Cassandra!! Here it is 1995 for goodness sakes, and you mean to tell me that the sheriff of Collinsport doesn't even use a cellular phone yet??? Come on!
Deb
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You know I was wondering the same thing Cassandra!! Here it is 1995 for goodness sakes, and you mean to tell me that the sheriff of Collinsport doesn't even use a cellular phone yet??? Come on!
Now that I think of it I can understand the part about no cell phones and such because those things weren't even thought of back then, but computers? Computers were around so you would expect to see at least one at the Town Hall. It would have been great if we saw the clerk sitting there looking up records for Julia that day when she paid him a visit. I guess the writers didn't put too much faith in their use back then. Little did they know..
Cassandra
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Of course, we got to get a quick look at the Collinsport Town Hall (which looked suspiciously like the lobby of the Collinsport Inn).
Perhaps the Collinsport Inn had been converted into the town hall by 1995, what with the innkeeper having been eaten by the werewolf and all (the real reason Chris Jennings had to leave town).
Was the cigarette machine still there in the more health conscious times of 1995? (If it wasn't, I'll bet that Julia Hoffman, M.D., was really bummed out that she could not get a pack of butts!)
What I would have loved to see is the expression on Julia's face when she saw the price of cigarettes in 1995.
And, what would Barnabas and Julia have made of Bob Rooney's successor behind the bar?
I'd like to think that if they had gone into the Blue Whale, we'd see the exact same bartender that's always there regardless of whether it's 1967, 1795 or 1995. I think he's a Leviathan or something. ;)
Can you imagine, if in an attempt to familiarize themselves with the culture and mores of 1995, Mr. B. and Dr. H. just happened to attend an extremely early (and, I mean eight years early) sneak preview of the smash hit "Gigli," starring the beautiful Jennifer Lopez and the dashing Ben Affleck?
Good Lord, Bob, even in Collinsport no one deserves a fate that grim.
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Dr. Eric Lang,
You've made some very insightful observations on: (1) the conversion of the Collinsport Inn into the town hall and Mr. Wells' ultimate "fate," (2) the 1995 price of a pack of cigarettes vis-a-vis 1970, (3) the seeming ageless Blue Whale bartender, and (4) the unremitting "agony" of sitting through a Jennifer Lopez/Ben Affleck movie!
(1) As to the untimely demise of Mr. Wells, Ill bet that Chris Jennings would say that "Mr. Wells tasted even more dee-licious than a whole bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken. Yummy!"
(2) You're so right here about the high cost of tobacco. (I'm glad that I never "acquired" the taste for cigarettes.) However, what if Dr. Hoffman also got a look at the price of a gallon of gas at the local Amoco station? I tell you, she'd really flip!
(3) The "Dick Clark 'Lookalike' Saloon Keeper." Maybe he's also got an original C. D. Tate portrait of himself hanging somewhere in the back room of the Blue Whale?
(4) Yes, sitting through "Gigli," in its entirety, a fate truly worse than death! But, what if it had been a 1995 Collinsport Cinema film festival, featuring such classic, golden movie hits as "Ishtar," "Shangri La," "Waterworld," and any (and all) films starring Pauly Shore, Jim Belushi or Wesley Snipes? (Heck, I think that Barnabas and Julia, after being subjected to all of that, would have desperately wanted either Stokes or Quentin to chain them BOTH up, inside of that coffin in the secret room of the Collins Mausoleum for the next 170 years!)
Bob the Bartender
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(1) As to the untimely demise of Mr. Wells, Ill bet that Chris Jennings would say that "Mr. Wells tasted even more dee-licious than a whole bucket of Kentucky Fried Chicken. Yummy!"
lolololol ;D
(3) The "Dick Clark 'Lookalike' Saloon Keeper." Maybe he's also got an original C. D. Tate portrait of himself hanging somewhere in the back room of the Blue Whale?
Give Bob a ceegar...what utter truth & insight!!
(4) Yes, sitting through "Gigli," in its entirety, a fate truly worse than death! (Heck, I think that Barnabas and Julia, after being subjected to all of that, would have desperately wanted either Stokes or Quentin to chain them BOTH up, inside of that coffin in the secret room of the Collins Mausoleum for the next 170 years!)
Well Bob...at least ONE of them would've liked that :-* :-*
Patti