DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '13 I => Topic started by: Watching Project on May 20, 2013, 07:01:46 PM
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Robservations #461
And if you'd care to look back, the first WP discussion topic for this ep:Re: Discuss - Ep #0461
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The family in the future or present is shown again. Yes! Then back in the past as Vickie is rehung today. Barnabas says looking angry,"What are you doing here?" As the show Miss Wick and then reveal that she was hung in the past in place of Vickie who is screaming on the floor. Julia reveals she is a doctor with little ado over the matter. Vickie is confused as to which Barnabas she sees and puts herself once again in danger with her confusion and running her mouth. Julia manages to save her from Barnabas and she quickly recalls she was in another time. The time travel explanation makes no sense but it does explain the DS version, I think.
There is a really great interview with Nancy Barrett after this episode where she says she was the most normal and most 60's character on the show and that she had a hard time justifying why Carolyn was not at college.
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Finally, I wanted to do an ep. comment before bed tonight. 1968! How could anyone question Vicki's time travel story, after what they've seen, plus the 1795 dress she's in? Nice real screams from poor Ms. Wick. They managed a great sense of "moment", whatever I may mean by that.... momentousness?
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Elizabeth demands to know why Barnabas always seems to know so much more than the rest of the family. He attributes it to a lucky guess. The only lucky part is that Elizabeth is much too concerned for Vicki to question him further.
When Vicki is sedated and calmer, Elizabeth comes to visit and regards her with pity and sympathy (quite as Naomi would have done). Julia has the grace to apologize for deceiving the family, and she too is lucky that Elizabeth is still concerned for Vicki. Both women are puzzled by Ben's rough field dressing, secured with two ends of the fabric rather than adhesive tape, and the fact that she seems to have been shot with a pistol ball.
Later, Barnabas visits Vicki. My dear, he calls her. (When Barnabas calls someone "my dear," it’s usually a sign that they are actually in mortal peril.) Vicki wakes up, but still confuses the past with the present and can't distinguish between the Barnabas of 1795 and the Barnabas of 1968. Sitting on the bed, Barnabas says, I apologize for coming to your room [some old habits never die, I guess], but I was concerned about you and wanted to make sure you were better. I’m very confused, Vicki admits. Feigning only mild interest, Barnabas asks, What about? About you, Vicki replies. She explains, When Josette came to see me in jail, she said you were dead. [I think it was actually Joshua who first told her.] You’re safe now, my dear--you’re back at Collinwood, Barnabas assures her. Anxiously, Vicki insists, I didn't put a curse on you--I never would. Barnabas reassures her (though he has to look away as he says it), I know you didn't (who better?). With remarkable presence of mind, he adds, I’ve never felt I was under a curse. Still terrified, Vicki continues, I tried to save Josette's life by telling her and the countess that on the last day of her life, Josette would lose a black onyx ring--like yours. Barnabas tries to hide his fear, but it only increases when Vicki says, Millicent told me it was a secret that you were alive. Fearfully, Barnabas asks Vicki, Why was it a secret? Still partly sedated, Vicki replies apologetically, I can’t even remember if I knew why or not. Just then the door opens. Get out, Barnabas, Julia orders him flatly. At first he refuses, but Julia warns him that she'll get Elizabeth and Roger. Barnabas reluctantly goes after glaring at Julia. I’m sorry I frightened him, Vicki says confusedly. Don’t worry about it, Julia tells her.
Much later, Barnabas summons Carolyn and seems to be threatening to kill Vicki!
Barnabas's industrial-strength eye makeup is nothing to the VINYL eyeliner that Vicki wears even in bed! Gone are the days….
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Argh! I completely forgot that Elizabeth is wearing the awful yellow robe/housecoat thing at the séance--if that's actually what she was wearing. Does anyone remember what she--and everyone else--wore in the episode where Vicki actually goes back to 1795?
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I remember Elizabeth wearing that housecoat when Vicky was set to 1795.
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[easter_cheesy] [easter_cheesy] [easter_cheesy]
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I think they managed to match the clothes. Not the actress playing Phyllis Wick, however; we started with Dorrie Kavanaugh in November of 1967 and finished with Margot Head in 1968. [easter_grin]
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I guess time travel can sometimes be a transformative experience. [easter_wink]
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What I always find fascinating is that even though time was suspended, everyone somehow managed to change their positions within the room:
Ep #365:
(http://www.dsboards.com/images/ds_0365-197)
Ep #461:
(http://www.dsboards.com/SMF/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=45736.0;attach=80217)
But, hey - I guess we should just be grateful they're all wearing the same clothes! [easter_grin]
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That's funny! [easter_smiley] [easter_smiley]
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I find it highly suspicious that both Phyllis Wicks are wearing Angelique's famous orange dress ...
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Welcome back Vicki. I wonder how many fans had faith in Vicki surviving the hanging? I wonder if there were any promos for it, etc? How weird is it to jump back into the tension of the present? I was a slightly shell-shocked from the discourse between Julia & Barn & Carolyn even though it made sense, it’s just that I’d forgotten where we left off in the present, I guess.
As the character puts it in the next episode, Julia simply replaces one lie with another in explaining to Liz that she is a doctor and can take charge of Vicki’s recovery – much to Barn’s chagrin. The present day Barnabas is taking a bit of getting used to – for me.
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I can recall being EXTREMELY stressed out while watching the 1991 series finale -- I guess I knew intellectually that Vicki would probably survive and make it back to the present okay ... but there was that little niggling doubt ...
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If there were any promos for the return to 1968, I don't honestly remember them. The thing about the show is that sometimes ABC heavily promoted the storyline switch with actual promotional ads featuring some sort of footage (1967 to 1795, 1897 to Leviathans, Leviathans to 1970PT (a personal favorite)), while other times it was simply a voiceover that played a few times over the closing credits of some of ABC's other daytime shows (1970PT to 1995, 1995 to 1970, 1970 to 1840) - while other times there was absolutely nothing, which I suppose was because they didn't want to give away anything. For example, one would think the switch from 1969 to 1897 would have been heavily promoted - but I don't remember much of anything. Certainly there wasn't anything like the 1795, Leviathans, and 1970PT ads.
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Thanks for that, MB. In some cases, whether there was promotion may have affected how these transitions were done onscreen. In particular, the 1967 to 1795 shift seemed very abrupt and unexpected onscreen, but they might have felt no need to build up to in the story, if they had been building up to it already in promotional spots.
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This time around, I decided to skip the episodes set in 1795, so I, essentially ended up watching Ep 365 back-to-back with Ep. 461. The most disconcerting aspect was watching Vicki go from mourning Burke one day to calling out for Peter in her sleep the next. I can only imagine what Liz and Julia were thinking, since to them no real time had passed.
Random thought. Vicki lying in her bed talking to Barnabas reminds me of Dorothy in the final scene of "The Wizard of Oz," as she tries to make sense of her "dream." Even her hand gestures seem to match the ones used by Judy Garland.