DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '03 II => Topic started by: Julia99 on July 23, 2003, 05:02:03 PM
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:D Julia's legendary green suit is on the scene .. worn today, tomorrow and tomorrow and next week and next month . . ..that suit sees a lotta road and many days. . wonder if she just tossed it into the garbage can at some point?
Is this the longest worn garment from the wardrobe department? Are there other candidates?
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Seeing as I NEVER paid much attention to Barnabas.....did his suit ever change, except when he changed centuries?
I know way back in the beginning, Willie wore that turtleneck shirt to death....no pun intended. ::)
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Is this the longest worn garment from the wardrobe department? Are there other candidates?
Adam's green sweater and 1897 Angelique's green dress
What WAS the fascination with green?!
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Eve's black dress!!!
I swear she wore that thing out!
Cassandra
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Adams green sweater. . .sure candidate. . .i'm not sure about Angie's green dress .. . well, unless we are to infer that was her Hellfires dress [firedevil] .. cuz she popped in, popped out . ..and Eve's black dress . .?? hmm. .she only lived in it for a few days right? [haironend]
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Julia99,
The late, lamented Alden Wicks was wearing one of those plaid woolen shirt/jackets called C.P.O's, which were very popular back during the 1960s. (I still have mine!)
Of course, Alden only got to wear that shirt/jacket in only one DS episode. However, both "Real Time's" Joe Haskell and young Davey Collins had numerous opportunities to wear their "snazzy" C.P.O. shirts during the first two years of Dark Shadows.
By the way, old Alden could not have been the sharpest knife in the drawer, when you consider how gullible he was to go out to his deceased grandpa's house, all alone with a slimy-looking guy who looked like his picture belonged on one of those FBI wanted posters in the local post office, IMHO.
Bob the Bartender, frequent "Fashion Channel" viewer.
PS Doesn't the old Wicks farm house look suspiciously like the dump that Adam was keeping Carolyn Stoddard hostage down in the root cellar?
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The late, lamented Alden Wicks was wearing one of those plaid woolen shirt/jackets called C.P.O's, which were very popular back during the 1960s. (I still have mine!)
I still have one of mine too, Bob.....only mine were always dark blue....never, ever plaid. ::)
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Well, Barnabas' cape was around from the dawn of time...but I rather like that. ;)
Was it a requirement that you had to wear green? (not like it...just wear it.) :P
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Seeing as I NEVER paid much attention to Barnabas.....did his suit ever change, except when he changed centuries?
Why, yes, yes it does. He starts out with two suits. Count 'em: two. Then when the 1968 plot starts and presumably Curtis and Co. realized he was a keeper, they enlarged the wardrobe to two more. One of which was brown :P
Then there were the Hugh Hefner smoking jackets and of course, the cape.
Let me date myself here... what is a CPO and who was Alden Wicks?
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He starts out with two suits. Count 'em: two. Then when the 1968 plot starts and presumably Curtis and Co. realized he was a keeper, they enlarged the wardrobe to two more. One of which was brown :P
Then there were the Hugh Hefner smoking jackets and of course, the cape.
Let me date myself here... what is a CPO and who was Alden Wicks?
Luciaphil,
Let's not forget Barnabas' nifty, classic blue blazer that he occasionally wore. (As for Mr. B.'s depressingly brown suit...yuch!!!)
By the way, I've always admired Barnabas' Hugh Hefner smoking jacket. I would have liked to have seen Dan Curtis develop an adult-oriented, "after-hours" program with Barnabas as the host. Mr. Curtis could have entitled it, "Dark Shadows After Dark," with Barnabas, wearing his smoking jacket and sporting his pipe (a la Hugh Hefner), greeting such comely vixens as Angelique and Minnie Duval to his swinging, Sixties set (just like "Hef" did on the old "Playboy after Dark" show).
I think the term "CPO" has its origins with the US Navy. I'm sure you remember the ugly-@ss shirt/jacket that Joe Haskell wore, seemingly all of the time, when he was searching for the missing/kidnapped Maggie Evans during 1967. That's a CPO!
As to Alden "I Don't Want Any Trouble" Wicks, he's the ill-fated dude who was going to rent his grandfather's deserted house to the late, unlamented John Yaegar for Yaegar's so-called experiment.
Bob the Bartender, aspiring "Fashion Emergency" particiant.
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Let me date myself here... what is a CPO and who was Alden Wicks?
I have no idea who Alden Wicks is.
CPO's are jackets that are styled exactly like a man's dress shirt...regular collar and button cuffs, with slight tails front and back. The difference is that they were usually made out of a heavy out-door weight wool. Plaids were common, but the MOST common were navy blue. CPO is a rank designation in the Navy...Chief Petty Officer. I'm almost certain that you can still find them...probably at LL Bean or Land's End! They were as ubiquitous as bell-bottom jeans in the late 60's-early 70's. ;)
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Sorry, the character's name is correctly spelled Aldon Wickes.
And, of course, the role was brilliantly portrayed by the great Ray Carlson, whose name will live forever in Dark Shadows glory with those of Edmund Hashim (the truly unforgettable Wilfred "Fred"Block) and Camilla Ashland (the always delectable Minnie Duval!).
And, Raineypark, thank you for the complete, nautical description/explanation for the "CPO," an article of clothing that would be an anathema to the hip and always with-it Quentin Collins!
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I'm almost certain that you can still find them...probably at LL Bean or Land's End!
Oh yes, they're still around. I bought two a year or two ago. One for me (red and black plaid) and one for hubby (black and white plaid). He wanted them to match, but I have an aversion to being referred to as one of the Bobbsey twins, lol.
dom (who's been petty but never a chief or an officer)
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Is this the longest worn garment from the wardrobe department? Are there other candidates?
If I remember correctly, Sarah's ghost always wore the same dress and headwear.
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I believe that Quentin wore the same blue suit in all of the hauntings and in the l897 story. Matched his blue eyes! Yum
Afan
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Is this the longest worn garment from the wardrobe department? Are there other candidates?
And the winner is...
LT. NATHAN FORBES!!! [clap] [clap]
How did I ever forget him?? He lived in that suit during the whole 1795 storyline. LOL!
Cassandra
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:D Julia's legendary green suit is on the scene .. worn today, tomorrow and tomorrow and next week and next month . . ..that suit sees a lotta road and many days. .
LOL, Julia99! I vaguely recall a scene in a much earlier storyline -- I think it was when Barnabas will still terrorizing Julia -- where someone (Barnabas?) broke into her room at Collinwood and opened her armoire. It was at that point that we got a peek at her pitifully meager wardrobe. I somehow recall seeing multiple copies of the same suit hanging on a little rack. As for the multiple copies, maybe my imagination was having a little too much fun -- but we are definitely led to believe that Julia's wardrobe was spartan. Does anyone else have a better memory?
Of course, at that time, she was still posing as historian "Miss" Hoffman, so maybe she was dressing modestly to avoid arousing suspicion. But even after she became established as "Dr." Hoffman, her wardrobe remained rather limited, and not at the fashion forefront. I always felt sorry for her whenever I'd see her next to the effortlessly elegant Liz Stoddard.
I can almost hear some of the production meetings: "Joan, here are some new outfits and a new hairstyle for the upcoming storyline -- don't you just love them? Oh, and Grayson, be sure to get your green suit drycleaned!"
But then came the ultimate indignity: PT, where Julia was stripped of both her "Dr." and "Miss" titles, became simply "Hoffman," and was sentenced to wearing the same housekeeper's uniform with the mousey collar for every single episode. :'(
Ben
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:D Julia's legendary green suit is on the scene .. worn today, tomorrow and tomorrow and next week and next month . . ..that suit sees a lotta road and many days. .
Oh, and Grayson, be sure to get your green suit drycleaned!"
Some of her suits could have been cleaned by renting the RUG DOCTOR since they appear to be made of upholstery or carpeting.
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Some of her suits could have been cleaned by renting the RUG DOCTOR since they appear to be made of upholstery or carpeting.
Yeah, they do seem to give Julia (in any incarnation) the absolute *worst* clothes...but Angelexis' dress today was a close second! I hate to admit it, but I do remember owning something similar... :D
And while I'm on the subject of cheesy...how about Julia's hair?? I thought that Grayson's own hair about this time was shorter...I wonder if this is a wig? In the next storyline it gets even worse (IMO) if memory serves. Poor Grayson, I wonder if she ever complained!
MrsJ.
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Julia's wardrobe is always a fright. . . but it's well accessorized. . .right after their journey to 1897 she had some nice duds but they must've been too nice 'cuz they were taken away .. those pleated skirts. . .one thing about Julia's wardrobe though, it was always "well accessorized" she had more necklaces, broaches, earrings, gloves, coats and purses than any other gal at Collinwood. . .she seems to have had a glove/handbag fetish. . .and aside form the green dress forever worn in 1995. .i liked Julia's 1840 and 1841PT clothes .. .and the decrease in eye liner. .she looked younger. . .
Grayson looked very nice in the 2nd film as Carlotta. .i think she **did** finally say something and did it pay off. . .Dan Curtis filmed her very nicely. . .that first scene when she descends the staircase. . .wait! is that the same chick? 8)
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Grayson looked very nice in the 2nd film as Carlotta. .i think she **did** finally say something and did it pay off. . .Dan Curtis filmed her very nicely. . .that first scene when she descends the staircase. . .wait! is that the same chick? 8)
I totally agree, J99. I loved her look in NODS. The dresses were soft and feminine. The wig was great too. Much more flattering than that page boy thing from 1967. :P
Bette
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I firmly believe that the NoDS wig is the one that Grayson was given to wear on her Night Gallery episode, Certain shadows on the wall. That was filmed in August of 1970 (but not broadcast until December of that year). In an interview she gave to the people running her fan club at the time, Grayson said that that wig had originally been worn by Rita Hayworth in one of her films. They either let her keep it, or she just walked off the set wearing it!
Unfortunately, I can't cleverly post comparison snapshots of Grayson on Night Gallery and NoDS, but the two wigs look identical to me.
I remember looking at a publicity photo of Grayson in NoDS when I was visiting Sam Hall. I said, "I bet she was thinking '*I* am the QUEEN of Dark Shadows' when that picture was snapped." Sam chuckled and said, "She was more likely thinking, 'This dress is too god damned TIGHT!"
G.
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Here's one that comes to mind; Phillip's light colored plaid pants?
Was there an episode that he didn't where them? [hdscrt] [hdscrt] [hdscrt]
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Did the actors get to choose what they wore or were they told what to wear?
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Did the actors get to choose what they wore or were they told what to wear?
Some soaps do allow their actors to have some say in what their characters wear. However, clothes, like story and dialogue, define the characters. Actors may think that they look better in a certain type of outfit or color, but if it doesn't fit for their character, it's not likely they'll be allowed to wear it. For example, we weren't ever going to see Liz Stoddard wearing polyester coolots (not even cotton or linen coolots) and a tie-dye top, and Barnabas was never going to be seen in jeans and a t-shirt. Willie was never going to be seen in jeans and a t-shirt. Not EVEN David was EVER going to be seen in jeans and t-shirt! ;)
Actually, there's a very interesting article in the concordance for the 1991 series that explains why/how they'd decided to dress certain characters in different colors and styles to reflect the personalities they wanted those characters to convey.
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Another item that seems frequently visited is Angelique's flowing blue gown.