DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '03 I => Topic started by: Patti Feinberg on June 07, 2003, 09:50:25 PM
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I'm confused (it's Saturday...it was FINALLY nice yesterday, so I played a little too hard).
The Jennings:
Tom (a vampire, via Barn)
Chris (his twin brother, with 'the curse')
What guy is the original man who was COUSINS...Carolyn's boyfriend...but I can't think of his name...stats?
Anybody?
Thanks
Patti
(and I know it isn't Buzz!!)
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Oh...Joel Crothers...but what was his 1967 name (all I can read is Forbes).
Patti
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Hi Patti,
Joel Crothers played Joe Haskell, who was Carolyn's boyfriend when the series began in 1966.
When Tom and Chris were introduced, Joe was said to be related to their family as a cousin (presumably on his Mom's side?).
Well, you know how complicated these New England genealogies can get ...
As for Babs Steele's comment about Grayson, I can't recall exactly in which interview she said that; it might have been this glossy magazine that did a feature on the 1990 DS series--Fangoria, maybe?
Steve
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Wasn't sure what I'd find in this topic, hee hee.
what was his 1967 name (all I can read is Forbes).
Joe Haskell.
Speaking of Joel Crothers, did anyone read LP's comment regarding him during the MPI webchat (http://www.darkshadowsdvd.com)? When asked about working with him and her favorite moment (can't say by whom cuz they didn't credit any of the questions), she answered--
LARA PARKER: I didn't work with him very much. Only went I first came on the show. He was very charming.
I guess she wasn't kidding when she told a friend at one of the Fests that she remembered nothing about her 1968 [Cassangelique] appearance.
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Well, thanks for sharing that comment from Ms. Parker, Midnite. I must say I find this baffling. I thought the Vampiress Angelique arc was one of Lara's favorites, and she had a LOT to do with Joel during that storyline.
I guess Katie and Lara don't spend much time reading the books that have been published with their names on them!
G.
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Okay, let's get really confused. Joe Haskell was a cousin to the Jennings twins (and Amy). There are a coupla ways that woulda been possible. First, Joe would have to be descended from one of the 1890's Collinses other than Quentin. That would seem highly unlikely. Second, he would also hafta have been descended from Quentin. Quentin's daughter was Lenore; she had a daughter who was the mommy of the Jennings. But Lenore could've had other kids as well, maybe another daughter who married a Haskell. But then why wasn't Joe a werewolf?
Unless Joe was more of a "cousin-in-law" to the Jennings kids. So let's say that Lenore had two daughter: Eunice and Sophie. Eunice marries George Jennings and they have three kids - Tom, Chris and Amy. Sophie marries Stanley Haskell, but they have no kids. However, Stanley has a brother named Edgar who marries Martha (nee Stamborski) Haskell. They have a son named Joe. Sophie and Stanley Haskell would be the aunt (by marriage) and uncle (by blood) of Joe. By extension, but not direct blood, Eunice and George would also be Joe's aunt and uncle, so their kids - Tom, Chris and Amy - would be his "cousins", or what I would call "cousins-in-law", since Joe is not directly related to the Jennings kids by blood, but only by marriage. It does work. I drew the chart lines to see. To simplify it: Joe's father is the brother of a man married to a sister of the mother of the Jennings'.
Gerard
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Okay, let's get really confused. Joe Haskell was a cousin to the Jennings twins (and Amy). There are a coupla ways that woulda been possible. First, Joe would have to be descended from one of the 1890's Collinses other than Quentin. That would seem highly unlikely. Second, he would also hafta have been descended from Quentin. Quentin's daughter was Lenore; she had a daughter who was the mommy of the Jennings. But Lenore could've had other kids as well, maybe another daughter who married a Haskell. But then why wasn't Joe a werewolf?
I think you're making this more complicated than it needs to be :)
If we go with the DS family tree on the FAQ page http://members.tripod.com/~MrJuggins/ds-109-2.txt (http://members.tripod.com/~MrJuggins/ds-109-2.txt), then that works because the curse afflicts the oldest male in the line only (presumably Tom was Chris' younger brother and that would make Joe third in line for the "curse"). If not, then, the other option is that Joe is not related to Chris, Tom, and Amy through their Collins ancestor, but through the other parent, who would not have to be a Collins at all.
Let's say Lenore's daughter married a man named Jennings, who proved to be the parent of Chris, Tom, and Amy. It's conceivable that the man had a sister who married a man named Haskell, who then fathered Joe. That would still make Joe first cousin to Chris, Tom, and Amy.
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Joe's mother could have been George Jenning's sister who married Stanley Haskell.
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uhhh maybe Joe Haskell is related to Tom and Chris's Father's side of the family . .. ?? hence, totally outta the werewolf sphere??
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There's only gonna be one way to absolutely figure out how the Collins/Jennings/Haskells are all related: The Maury Povich Show.
Gerard
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There's only gonna be one way to absolutely figure out how the Collins/Jennings/Haskells are all related: The Maury Povich Show.
Gerard
amen!!! lolololol Gerard ;D
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There's only gonna be one way to absolutely figure out how the Collins/Jennings/Haskells are all related: The Maury Povich Show.
Gerard
LOL!!!! Gerard that's a good one!! (Maury would sure get to the bottom of it!!)
Deb
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It's in the DNA as Maury says!(thanks maury for pointing
that out!) i always felt Joe's mother and Chris's father were related and always found it hard to believe in that small
town someone didn't know Lenore was a Collins and found out The Jenning's mother was one too!
after all you can only keep a secret if only two people know about it and one of them is dead!
jennifer
also if Joe was on the maternal line that would have made him a Collins too and could have made
for some interesting storylines but quess he was too busy with Angie/Vamp to think about those things!
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But then why wasn't Joe a werewolf?
I think you're making this more complicated than it needs to be :)
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once again i'll bring this up does the curse only afflict the oldest male in a line? i've listened to the tapes and Magda
says all the males while Julia does explain it as the oldest male!
jennifer
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Jen...I don't remember JULIA talking about the curse; do you by chance remember exactly what she says (or close)?
Thanks,
Patti
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Jen...I don't remember JULIA talking about the curse; do you by chance remember exactly what she says (or close)?
Thanks,
Patti
i'll try to pull the episode tonight Patti the brain is a little slow
to work these days for me to remember (2 children,work,
40+ may have something to do with it LOL)always wished they had gone more into The Jennings' brothers and Joe more
but that is just me, loved them, :-* hated Jeb! ::) ::)
jennifer
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always found it hard to believe in that small
town someone didn't know Lenore was a Collins and found out The Jenning's mother was one too!
after all you can only keep a secret if only two people know about it and one of them is dead!
jennifer
small towns and rich people used to be able to keep a lot of secrets before nanny-cams and the national enquirer. . .And who knew that Lenore' was Jenny's baby besides a few family members who would've died rather than let folks know. . .oh its easy to believe, too terribly easy. . .
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small towns and rich people used to be able to keep a lot of secrets before nanny-cams and the national enquirer. . .And who knew that Lenore' was Jenny's baby besides a few family members who would've died rather than let folks know. . .oh its easy to believe, too terribly easy. . .
I fully agree Julia99 :-
[greed]what's the old expression....money talks..... :-X
Patti
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always found it hard to believe in that small
town someone didn't know Lenore was a Collins and found out The Jenning's mother was one too!
after all you can only keep a secret if only two people know about it and one of them is dead!
jennifer
small towns and rich people used to be able to keep a lot of secrets before nanny-cams and the national enquirer. . .And who knew that Lenore' was Jenny's baby besides a few family members who would've died rather than let folks know. . .oh its easy to believe, too terribly easy. . .
It is, of course, no coincidence or surprise that Peyton Place is set in New England. Must be the cold, harsh winters (although Collinsport seems to always luckily avoid them). Even the main character in Valley of the Dolls - although the story is set in New York - is from New England. My, my, my-my, my!
Gerard
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It is, of course, no coincidence or surprise that Peyton Place is set in New England. Must be the cold, harsh winters (although Collinsport seems to always luckily avoid them). Even the main character in Valley of the Dolls - although the story is set in New York - is from New England. My, my, my-my, my!
hey watch it buddy!
jennifer
and i agree small towns keep secrets but usually the whole town knows and won't tell outsiders so believe Joe would have at least heard if he was a Collins!(so would have The Jennings)
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It is, of course, no coincidence or surprise that Peyton Place is set in New England. Must be the cold, harsh winters (although Collinsport seems to always luckily avoid them). Even the main character in Valley of the Dolls - although the story is set in New York - is from New England. My, my, my-my, my!
Gerard
hey watch it buddy!
jennifer
Tee-hee! Actually, I wish Wisconsin would be at least half as interesting as New England (well, as interesting as they make it in books, movies and shows). Here, the height of scandal is if somebody doesn't like the Packers or bratwurst.
Gerard
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Hey Gerard, I hate football, and just the thought of bratwurst makes me hurl, so guess I had better cross Wisconsin off my list of places to visit!
There's a scene early in the Leviathans storyline where Julia sits down with Chris and explains what she learned while she was in 1897 about his lineage. She basically tells him that the werewolf curse only passes down to the eldest male in each line, and she informs him of his descent from Quentin Collins. This leads to how Quentin was able to escape the curse, which leads to the search for "Harrison Monroe," etc.
Steve
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Hey Gerard, I hate football, and just the thought of bratwurst makes me hurl, so guess I had better cross Wisconsin off my list of places to visit!
There's a scene early in the Leviathans storyline where Julia sits down with Chris and explains what she learned while she was in 1897 about his lineage. She basically tells him that the werewolf curse only passes down to the eldest male in each line, and she informs him of his descent from Quentin Collins. This leads to how Quentin was able to escape the curse, which leads to the search for "Harrison Monroe," etc.
Steve
Believe it or not, I'm no big football fan (on rare occasion I'll go to a game, but when the Superbowl is on, I'm scanning cable channels for some good movies), and I can't STAND bratwurst. Don't let the word get around, or else I'll be ridden out of state on a cheese log.
Okay, now I wonder, since the curse is passed only to the oldest male in each line, would that mean across the board, or in each autonomous family. That would explain why Chris got it and not Tom (taking it for granted that Chris popped outta the oven ahead of his brother), but it's still a quandry about Joe. If it's across the line, meaning everyone in that generation, then Joe would be immune (taking it for granted this time that Chris is older). If it's in each autonomous family, then Joe would had to have had an older brother (who maybe died before hitting 21, or else has been very good at keeping it a secret). Would somebody just call Maury to get tickets already so we can figure this out?
Gerard
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but it's still a quandry about Joe. If it's across the line, meaning everyone in that generation, then Joe would be immune (taking it for granted this time that Chris is older). If it's in each autonomous family, then Joe would had to have had an older brother (who maybe died before hitting 21, or else has been very good at keeping it a secret). Would somebody just call Maury to get tickets already so we can figure this out?
Gerard
I fail to understand ??? why Joe is a quandry ..there's been no indication that Joe is descended from Lenore. . . in fact we don't know which of Chris/Tom/Amy's parents is descended from Lenore do we? Ma or Pa? And whichever one it is--Joe could be related to the OTHER PARENT. . hence he has NO TIE whatsoever to Lenore or Quentin or the Curse . . .[book2]
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I fail to understand ??? why Joe is a quandry ..there's been no indication that Joe is descended from Lenore. . . in fact we don't know which of Chris/Tom/Amy's parents is descended from Lenore do we? Ma or Pa? And whichever one it is--Joe could be related to the OTHER PARENT. . hence he has NO TIE whatsoever to Lenore or Quentin or the Curse . . .[book2]
That's what I'm going with. The Haskells are related to the Jennings by marriage, not by lineage through the Lenore line. And if anyone wants to dispute this, why, I'll just cut to the chase and call Jerry Springer!
Gerard (Who's Still Waiting To Get On Dr. Phil - Or Judge Judy, Whichever Comes First)
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The Haskells are related to the Jennings by marriage, not by lineage through the Lenore line. And if anyone wants to dispute this, why, I'll just cut to the chase and call Jerry Springer!
Gerard (Who's Still Waiting To Get On Dr. Phil - Or Judge Judy, Whichever Comes First)
works for me too Gerard and i've yet to see anything human on the few times i watched Spinger( i admit when i was
sick i did watch it)
jennifer