DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '03 I => Topic started by: Raineypark on April 08, 2003, 06:51:59 PM
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A question for the scholars among us:
Has anyone involved with the show ever commented on the relatively hasty conclusion of this story arc? I know....for some of us the whole story has been interminable.....I'm referring to the speed at which it suddenly reached a crescendo, all the badies got their just rewards, many hasty goodbyes were exchanged and then everyone moved on to "Leviathan"
It seems as though someone suddenly said, "Enough already!!....get us a whole new story!".....and the writers had 15 minutes to decide where they were going next.
Anyone know the background of this transition?
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not really but i wish we got to know the fates of Magda, Charity,
Judith among others. the next storyline was too weird for me!
jennifer
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not really but i wish we got to know the fates of Magda, Charity,
Judith among others. the next storyline was too weird for me!
jennifer
Those are a few things I woulda like to have seen resolved. I guess there was the possibility of doing a storyline involving the return of Petofi which might've answered some of those questions, but as we all know, the show was canceled.
Gerard
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It seems as though someone suddenly said, "Enough already!!....get us a whole new story!".....and the writers had 15 minutes to decide where they were going next.
Anyone know the background of this transition?
Wasn't there an announcement over the closing credits a couple of months before the end of 1897, with Frid promising a return to 1969? It's not on the tapes but I'm sure I read this. Can anyone confirm it?
I think 1897's was a typical DS storyline ending, particularly with the high body count. But like jennifer and Gerard, I wish a few more loose ends had been tied up before we were thrown into the next story.
As my friend Nicky is wont to say, "Leviathans ho!" ;)
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not really but i wish we got to know the fates of Magda, Charity,
Judith among others. the next storyline was too weird for me!
It would have been great to know what became of them all? Did Charity/Pansy ever marry? Did she stay at Collinwood for the rest of her life? I somehow can't imagine her continuing to live at Collinwood with Quentin gone. I would think that after awhile Judith & Edward would prove to be too boring for her. Did she continue with her nightclub act at the Blue Whale? And what about Edward? He certainly seemed interested in re-marrying. I image that Judith never remarried after that awful experience with Trask. (would have been nice to know that her and Tim got together!!) ;)
At least with 1795 we were given some idea as to what became of everyone. (there was hardly anyone left at all by the end of that storyline anyway!!)
Cassandra[/font]
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??? I've noticed that at the end of most DS storylines, events happen fast and furious. Can't be fast enough for me------if Petofi doesn't soon disappear, I'll have to S C R E A M!!!!! I think the writers have gone the limit (and over it) with 1897. Not that the story wasn't a good one, for much of the time. It was one of my favorites.
Misty
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Maybe they went back to 1969 to try to raise ratings? The ratings hadn't gone down a lot but they could've been trying to recapture/improve on the rating they got during the peak of 1897.
*sigh* I didn't program the VCR correctly so I didn't get to see today's episodes and didn't wake up until after they aired [Spring Break]. I was really looking forward to the last episode too. Oh well, I'll just have to read Robservations for those two episodes.
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I think 1897's was a typical DS storyline ending, particularly with the high body count.
LOL.
A bit of trivia - Johannes Brahms also died in 1897. (Don't think he lived near Collinsport though) [gring]
It seems as though someone suddenly said, "Enough already!!....get us a whole new story!".....and the writers had 15 minutes to decide where they were going next.
I don't think they even spent as much as 15 minutes coming up with the next storyline. Ugh! Wake me when it's over. No, wait, wake me when "Grant Douglas" shows up.
[coolb]
PS Is there any Willie in Leviathan??
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PS Is there any Willie in Leviathan??
Yup. Willie returns. And with a little surprise, I do believe.
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PS Is there any Willie in Leviathan??
There damned well BETTER be!!! [madan]
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LOL.
A bit of trivia - Johannes Brahms also died in 1897. (Don't think he lived near Collinsport though) [gring]
LOL, Connie!
Stoker's Dracula was first published in 1897. While the killings were going on in Collinsport, the ultimate DS source was born.
Pity that Barn didn't swing by England to pick up a 1st edition before he time warped again. ::)
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Now, how in the heck is Barnabas going to get the heck out of 1897 if his astral self joined him in 1897(thanks to Edward tossing the I-Ching wand off the table)? I know the Leviathans transport the alter to 1969 so I guess Barnabas went along for the ride. Anyway, just how did Barnabas think he and Josette were going to magically go to 1897?
Travel to the future using the pull from people from the past(ex. Barnabas going back to save Victoria or Peter Bradford getting pulled back), I-Ching wands, Portraits pulling you in, and a staircase. I can't think of any other ways at the moment but if time travel was this easy Barnabas should have gone back into the past to make sure he avoided Angelique in Martinique. ::)
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I can't think of any other ways at the moment but if time travel was this easy Barnabas should have gone back into the past to make sure he avoided Angelique in Martinique. ::)
Good point. I never though of that.
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Yup. Willie returns. And with a little surprise, I do believe.
Ah! I DO so love surprises.
Hmm...I guess everyone's tired of 1897.
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Being dragged from 1897 kicking and screaming. [scrm]
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Hmm...I guess everyone's tired of 1897.
Not me! Im gonna miss seeing ole Pansy/Charity, Magda, Quentin, Beth and the whole lot. And as much as I couldn't stand Aristede in the beginning, after awhile he does kind of grow on you. Im not sure if I can get use to this whole Leviathan thing.
What I can't understand is why Barnabas never learns from his past mistakes with his loved ones. Everytime he leaves them alone and "promises to be back soon" something always happens! He left Josette alone originally in 1795 and she winds up getting frightened by Angelique and then jumps off the cliff. Then in 1897, he leaves Kitty and tells her to wait for him in Josette's room, then she fades away. Now he gets his chance again with Josette and tells her to wait in her room at the old house, and once again, something happens!!
He sees they're frightened of being left alone and usually with good reason. Yet, he always has something to do. Why couldn't he just summon Ben to come to him at the old house instead of deciding to trek through the woods himself to find him? Or better yet he could have just "disappeard" and met up with Ben faster! He always chooses the hard way when he can get things done so much faster by using his own powers. And why does he need Ben there just to watch that no one disturbs them? Hasn't anyone ever heard of locking the door?
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For those waiting for the return of Willie..................
I hope you're patient because he doesn't return until episode 956. Today, Sci Fi is airing episodes 888 and 889.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but I thought John Karlen fans would want to know they'll have to endure this new storyline for quite some time before he returns to the show.
Murph
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Thanks Murph.....I've already got the date marked down. It just happens to be John Karlen's birthday...5/28.
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good points Cassandra but you know people in horror movies.
they go back into house and explore when they think
something weird is going on, always separate and never think to wait for police!defies logic!
jennifer
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Or better yet he could have just "disappeard" and met up with Ben faster!
I thought the same thing. If you're a vampire, take the easy way and fly! Caleb on PC is always doing that but now he's human again.
And why does he need Ben there just to watch that no one disturbs them? Hasn't anyone ever heard of locking the door?
Collinsport may have had gravediggers and tombstone makers galore but locksmiths seemed to be in short supply.
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As for 1897, the storyline was actually extended beyond the original plan for this particular flashback and the reason for it was high ratings. This portion of DS is the highest rated part of the series.
I am no fan of the Levithan storyline at all. I found not one interesting thing to it. Say what you will about 1897 but it sure bet the Levithans.
Richard Holt
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I used to work in advertising and my supervisor would build a radio/tv/magazine ad campaign, running commercials with continuity in order to take advantage of studies that showed how advertising best worked. Invariably the big boss would come in and say "I'm bored with it, let's change it."
I think that is exactly the way DC did business. To heck with ratings, continuity and logic, to heck with anything but his own whims.
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I thought the same thing. If you're a vampire, take the easy way and fly! Caleb on PC is always doing that but now he's human again.
love when he woke up in hospital and realized he had to escape the "human way"
jennifer