DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '03 I => Topic started by: DSFAN4EVER on January 24, 2003, 09:49:30 PM
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This was said during Magda's incantation with the Counts hand in hand?
Ok, what the hell does that mean? [hdscrt] Where do the writers come up with this stuff? [hdscrt]
Do you think when a scene requires an "incantation" the actors make it up as they go along?
Custodian of the 12 days, indeed![ghost]
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That one cracked me up too. Unless she was referring to Christmas, I haven't a clue. I've got a library full of books with incantations in them and that's definitely not among them!!
I'm sure the actors didn't make them up....that's up to the writers (and neither Union would allow it! ;) )!!
The only criteria I think the writers followed was to say nothing that would offend the Judeo-Christian clergy and faithful. "Custodian of the 12 Days" seems harmless in that regard!
rainey
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Ok, what the hell does that mean? [hdscrt] Where do the writers come up with this stuff? [hdscrt]
LOL. Most of the Romani gypsies were either Eastern Orthodox Christians or Roman Catholics, and the 12 days refers to the Orthodox Christmas. "Blessed by the custodians of the 12 days" refers to their church leaders, whom they call custodians, which is like a sexton.
What I wonder is who are the slaughtered nine? Does it have to do with the Tsar's family that was murdered?
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That one cracked me up too. Unless she was referring to Christmas, I haven't a clue. I've got a library full of books with incantations in them and that's definitely not among them!!
I'm sure the actors didn't make them up....that's up to the writers (and neither Union would allow it! ;) )!!
rainey
oh my do you use these often and please share there are some nasty people at work... oh well
jennifer
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What I wonder is who are the slaughtered nine? Does it have to do with the Tsar's family that was murdered?
LOL!! Midnite, I was thinking the same thing! As soon as I heard that line, I wondered where the heck that came from?! Maybe it was the Tsar's family though, that would make some sense to me.
Cassandra[/font]
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There were seven members in the Tsar's family....but I'm aware of at least 2 others who went into exile with the family.....Alexei's doctor and one of the Tsarina's ladies-in-waiting. I'm not sure if there were more than 2. The Russian Orthodox church considers all the members of the Romanov family to be Martyrs of the Faith...and I imagine the same would hold for others who were murdered with them. Sounds like they make a plausable "slaughtered nine". I wonder who among the writers at DS KNEW about this stuff? Do you suppose they had 'gypsy' consultants on call?
rainey....who loves a good excuse for poking around among the REALLY dusty books in her study!!
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The Czar and his family weren't gypsies were they?
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I am under the impression that Count Petofi slaughtered nine gypsies and was turned into a werewolf because of this? Hence the slaughtered nine...am I wrong (as usual, lol)?
dom
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Czar Nicholas, his wife, son and 4 daughters were executed in July, 1918.
The DS timeline here is 1897, so Magda must be talking about some other poor folk who were executed. Unless the Romanovs were who the incantation was referring to and the writers on DS didn't stop and think of the time contradiction.
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Always, Minja
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According to one on line source, 4 of their servants were executed with them.
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No Dom....you're probably not wrong! We're making this stuff up as we go along!!!
Tho, it's pretty well documented that the favorite entertainment at wild young Russian aristocrat's parties were gypsy dancing girls. So while there were no Romanovs who would admit to being gypsy.....there were almost certainly gypsies who claimed to be Romanov!
And of course Minja is absolutely correct.....the time line is completely wrong.....but when did the writers ever let a little thing like the space-time continuum stop them?
raineypark
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The Russian Orthodox church considers all the members of the Romanov family to be Martyrs of the Faith...and I imagine the same would hold for others who were murdered with them. Sounds like they make a plausable "slaughtered nine". I wonder who among the writers at DS KNEW about this stuff?
Problem is, the Romanov family was alive and well in 1897. They didn't die until 1917.
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Thanks, Minja. I guess 1918 sorta rules that out, huh? ;)
There were seven members in the Tsar's family....but I'm aware of at least 2 others who went into exile with the family.....Alexei's doctor and one of the Tsarina's ladies-in-waiting. I'm not sure if there were more than 2. The Russian Orthodox church considers all the members of the Romanov family to be Martyrs of the Faith...and I imagine the same would hold for others who were murdered with them. Sounds like they make a plausable "slaughtered nine". I wonder who among the writers at DS KNEW about this stuff? Do you suppose they had 'gypsy' consultants on call?
I thought of the Romanovs cuz Magda had made a reference to the Russian Orthodox's Twelve Days, and they were slaughtered by the Bolsheviks and it wasn't long ago that nine bodies were found (purportedly The Tsar, his wife, 3 of their 5 children, a doctor and 3 servants), but I had no idea of the timeline, oops. But I guess it's also possible that the writer was boning up on gypsy history, saw that many of them were Russian Orthodox, and made the same leap?
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Actually, Midnite, it turns out you made a connection with Dark Shadows and Czar Nicholas afterall....allbeit in another topic!
Czar Nicholas' mother was Marie Fyodorovna Romanova, formerly Dagmar, Princess of Denmark!
And in your post under Alexandra Moltke several days back you mentioned her father was Danish Count Carl Adam Moltke! So despite a degree of seperation or so, there is a DS/Romanov family connection!
Would've been cool if the writers had added a character in a later story time line that included/alluded to the missing Princess Anastasia!
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I am under the impression that Count Petofi slaughtered nine gypsies and was turned into a werewolf because of this? Hence the slaughtered nine...am I wrong (as usual, lol)?
Dom -- That's very interesting and makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure how you came up with your theory as I don't remember hearing what Petofi had done to anger the gypsies. Maybe I missed an episode last time when this was referred to.
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Is it ever explained how Petofi is cured of his lycanthropy (or whatever it is)? By sacrificing his hand?
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Jennifer -- If you don't get the incantations you need regarding people at work, I do have a charm in Finnish (with translation) to prevent frozen fingers!
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Midnite -- very illuminating comments about the Custodian of the 12 Days (despite the historical detour on the Romanov family, though that made for some interesting reading anyway ;))!
Your comment shows that the DS writers possessed some interesting knowledge ...
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Jennifer -- If you don't get the incantations you need regarding people at work, I do have a charm in Finnish (with translation) to prevent frozen fingers!
Vlad thanks i could use them right now it was -2 degrees
this am when i went out to clean off my car!
Give me back the [sun] and those 90 degree days
jennifer
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Dom -- That's very interesting and makes a lot of sense. I'm not sure how you came up with your theory as I don't remember hearing what Petofi had done to anger the gypsies. Maybe I missed an episode last time when this was referred to.
I don't know where I come up with this stuff. I am usually wrong but somewhat close. I think I remember it being said at some point that Petofi murdered a bunch of gypsies, thus starting the conflict between the two.
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Is it ever explained how Petofi is cured of his lycanthropy (or whatever it is)? By sacrificing his hand?
Yes. No.
Dom
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Well, the way I remember it is that the slaughtered 9 were gypsies Petofi had killed over the years.
Wasn't there dialogue where Magda said Count Petofi had been cured of being a werewolf by a gypsy witch and then refused to pay for the cure? And in revenge, his hand, in which all his magical powers was concentrated, was chopped off.
I remember the Count reminiscing about how he slaughtered his pet unicorn one night when the moon was full. It was one of the very few times he ever appeared to show something akin to a human emotion.
Anyhow, I think the 9 gypsies were slaughtered over a period of years. There's a scene I do recall quite clearly where he was gloating to Aristede about that.
Gothick
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Hey gang,
Gee, all this talk of the Romanov family and the gypsies has me wondering if Magda is distantly related to that renowned Russian cavalry officer of the 19th century, Col. Dimitri Arganov?
Col. Arganov, as we all know, is the first cousin of Cpl. Randolph T. Agarn of "F-Troop" fame. The colonel hailed from Minsk, which is just a ruble's throw from Pinsk.
Maybe Magda and Sandor spent summers with the colonel while journeying through Mother Russia? And, the colonel's daughter, little Maria Agarnov-Ouspensaya, achieved stardom later in life, portraying Bela Lugosi's gypsy mother in the Universal film classic, "The Wolf Man," thus validating a Dark Shadows "six degrees of separation."
Just don't get me started about the connection between Dr. Julia Hoffman and Dr. Zhivago.
Hey, who wants a nice shot of Slolichnaya?
Bob the Bartender
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Vlad thanks i could use them right now it was -2 degrees
this am when i went out to clean off my car!
Give me back the [sun] and those 90 degree days
Jennifer --
Here's the charm to be recited to protect against your fingers freezing. Unfortunately, the more I thought about this, the more problems seemed to crop up. I thought about contacting Happybat to check both the Finnish words and the translation, but it sounds like you need help now! :)
My mom translated some of the words but there is no workable Finnish-English dictionary online to assist ... and another problem is that many of the vowels should have umlauts over them, which changes both the pronunciation, meaning, and spelling ... and I can't do umlauts here (umlauts are those two "dots" that some languages use over some vowels some of the time!) For example, the word for "don't" is ala -- and both "a's" should have umlauts above them, meaning that the "ahh" sound is drawn out!
Oh, and finally, I don't know for sure if the charm works in English ... you may need to take a stab at trying it in Finnish -- just remember that the accent always falls on the first syllable of every word ... (for example, the capital of Finland is HEL-sink-i, not Hel-SINK-i, despite the way newscasters pronounce it.)
Pakkanen, puhirin poika,
Ala kylmaa kynsiain,
Ala kynsiain palele --
Palele ves pajuja,
Kylma koivun konkaleita!
[translation:
"Jack Frost, son of the wind,
Don't chill my fingers,
Don't freeze my fingertips --
Freeze the water willows,
Chill the birch chunks!"]
This is the sort of traditional charm that my grandmother remembered when she was growing up.
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Jennifer --
Here's the charm to be recited to protect against your fingers freezing.
Wow thanks i'm going to try it It seems to be "warming up" here and of course if i didn't misplace my gloves every 5 minutes( I have a real problem with hats, gloves and boots i just hate them!) but i printed it
and the way this winter is going i'll need it(esp after shoveling!)
thanks
take care
jennifer
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If that doesn't work, you could always try the hot toddy recipe -- I'm not sure now which thread that's in!
:)