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So sad:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-dead0115,0,779485.story
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whoah! that is pretty sad... thank god it wasn't a 'the characters from Dark Shadows convinced me to kill her' thing...
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Wooo!
What a bummer! and to see the DS connection! But of course the part that gets overlooked is the ease of access to firearms, even in the times of terrorism! sheesh!
and times square used to be such a nice place!
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Yes, awful news like this travels fast across the USA and the world.
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God this is terrible. I agree with Bouchard...
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So sad:
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/newyork/ny-dead0115,0,779485.story
This is sad!! But geez, did they have to add the reference to the show right there in the very first paraghraph?!
Bouchard Wrote:
whoah! that is pretty sad... thank god it wasn't a 'the characters from Dark Shadows convinced me to kill her' thing...
Thank God is right!
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This whole story is a bit too creepy for comfort.
(In more ways than one)
-CLC
Thinking twice
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My daughter, who routinely sleep-walks through her morning routine came flying out of her room this morning babbling about this story. She had heard it on a local (Long Island) radio news report.
I'm afraid the crucifiction of Dark Shadows, the conventions, and we who are fans is about to begin.
I'm more afraid of finding out we've just lost a friend or two.
Additional information available at: www.wnbc.com (local news channel 4)
An article about the show and conventions is available at: Newsday.com
rainey
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The story made the cover of that esteemed publication the New York Post:
http://www.nypost.com
Jim Pierson and KLS provided blurbs for the story.
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Wooo!
What a bummer! and to see the DS connection! But of course the part that gets overlooked is the ease of access to firearms, even in the times of terrorism! sheesh!
and times square used to be such a nice place!
so true
why was he allowed to bring it on the plane????
that creeps me out more than anything else! The DS
connection is just where they met and seems a very small part of the story!
jennifer
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I'm more afraid of finding out we've just lost a friend or two.
Additional information available at: www.wnbc.com (local news channel 4)
rainey
does anyone know these people?
jennifer
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I'm afraid the crucifiction of Dark Shadows, the conventions, and we who are fans is about to begin.
I'm more afraid of finding out we've just lost a friend or two.
rainey
yep, I 've already heard from several [who know about my dual life [coolb]] who are really riding this!
But every one asks the same question: A gun on a plane? If anyone doesn't know the Lennon murder story, his killer traveled back and forth several times with a weapon, but that was before all the terrorism s***. Impossible to believe the airlines would accept any - ANY - reason to allow this! But this is gonna be a black mark for the fans! [angrg]
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yep, I 've already heard from several [who know about my dual life [coolb]] who are really riding this!
But every one asks the same question: A gun on a plane? If anyone doesn't know the Lennon murder story, his killer traveled back and forth several times with a weapon, but that was before all the terrorism s***. Impossible to believe the airlines would accept any - ANY - reason to allow this! But this is gonna be a black mark for the fans! [angrg]
i'd really love to hear the reason they let him have the gun on the plane!
also fear you are right ringo already heard from one of my frrends about it (one who laughs at me about the show!) be harder if my family hears to go to fest without hearing about it! it really is a very sad story but there are so many in the news today!
jennifer
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This is just really tragic - makes me so sad.
Have no doubt that some dimwits will think this reflects badly on Dark Shadows fandom in general. But the story will probably not get much play outside the NYC press. And I think most who do hear about it will realize these people could have met anywhere.
The human loss is the tragedy, but the whole gun issue is the scariest part to me. Is it a good thing to make handguns so readily available? And even though I'm sure the gun must've been in a bag he checked before his flight, the fact that you can even bring one with you on a plane AT ALL just beggars belief!
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I'm afraid the crucifiction of Dark Shadows, the conventions, and we who are fans is about to begin.
I don't honestly think that will happen because DS is so tangentially connected to the story that only a person with a complete lack of sense (i.e. reporters of the National Enquirer variety) would remotely consider seriously taking it to that extreme.
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That 'tangential" connection is the only reason "Vampire Slaying" was the front page of that other fish-wrap, the New York Post....which some idiot handed to my husband on the train this morning, prompting him to break my shoes mercilessly today. >:(
Otherwise, the whole tragedy would be "just another" garden variety New York homicide.
Hopefully, the usual nano-second attention span will have moved on to something else by daybreak tomorrow.
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That 'tangential" connection is the only reason "Vampire Slaying" was the front page of that other fish-wrap, the New York Post.
Exactly. The New York Post and the National Enquirer are two peas in the same tabloid-trash-pod. (Aren't they still owned and operated by the same publisher (and I use that term loosely). :-/) Something tells me that The New York Times probably didn't give DS more than a passing reference. I don't subscribe to their Web site so I can't read the actual article, but a search for "Dark Shadows" brings up the headline "N.Y. Police: Girlfriend Killed Over Scam", which in and of itself is not at all sensational and focuses on the real issue.
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That 'tangential" connection is the only reason "Vampire Slaying" was the front page of that other fish-wrap, the New York Post....which some idiot handed to my husband on the train this morning, prompting him to break my shoes mercilessly today. >:(
It may also have to do with the announcement that "Dance of the Vampires" is closing on Broadway. What a send off!
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Jim Pierson and KLS provided blurbs for the story.
And don't you just love it whenever these journalists (another term I use loosely ;)) can't even spell KLS' name correctly. It's just goes to show how much real effort they actually put into their stories. :-/
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Some people might think I'm a little off, but after reading the two articles, I find myself feeling sorry for the guy and not the "girlfriend". Assuming the story is accurate, all I can see is this pathetic guy thinking he's in love with this woman, he's FINALLY found someone he plans on spending the rest of his life with, and all along she's been scamming him and milking him of all this money. I can't find any sympathy for her at all. What a horrible thing to do to someone. Sick sick sick.
-CLC
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Regardless of the journalistic integrity or lack thereof of Newsday, the DS angle has been picked up by the Associated Press, so it's now a newswire thing.
My guess--it's a slow news day and it makes for a good hook.
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This is the first I had heard of this. There was nothing about this sad and shocking event in my local paper. I am sure had it reached any of my friends or family I would have heard about it. The whole thing is very tragic.
A lot of people in general don't get the whole fan fest thing, now there is a good chance they are going to associate them with lonely, sad, people.
In the second article what was the bodice ripping vampire comment? Did any of you ever see that happen? Cheep trash!
Birdie
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Regardless of the journalistic integrity or lack thereof of Newsday, the DS angle has been picked up by the Associated Press, so it's now a newswire thing.
You got that right, Luciaphil. Just checked the online issue of the Las Vegas Sun & sure enough, the AP article is on their national news page. The LA Times will have it next.
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And don't you just love it whenever these journalists (another term I use loosely ;)) can't even spell KLS' name correctly. It's just goes to show how much real effort they actually put into their stories. :-/
I was shocked - they left out the TLAT AND mis-spelled her name! ;)
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Cops said the heartbroken Jenkins, who lives with his parents, told authorities he was still a virgin and had been "saving himself for her."
Excuse the cynic in me, but a 48 year old male virgin who lives with his parents and can afford to give his "girlfriend" $95,000 sounds like someone with a lot of other "issues." First off, why does he live with his parents if he has that much money? Then, why is he a virgin at his age? I mean. . .I'm gay and definitely NOT a virgin--at least with other men--but I guess some people might consider me a virgin because I've never had sex with a woman. Is he an unhappy homosexual who has denied his sexuality and become a "born-again" hetero, you know, Exodis International, or whatever that group is who claims they can change gays? I know--I wasn't at that convention, and I don't know that guy--but there's something VERY not right here with the big picture (and DS has so little to do with it! We're all very nice, normal responsible adults--at least those of you I've met/talked to/emailed/etc.) Too bad the press is working the DS angle. But it's only my opinion. ;)
Brian
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This is just really tragic - makes me so sad.
Have no doubt that some dimwits will think this reflects badly on Dark Shadows fandom in general. But the story will probably not get much play outside the NYC press. And I think most who do hear about it will realize these people could have met anywhere.
The human loss is the tragedy, but the whole gun issue is the scariest part to me. Is it a good thing to make handguns so readily available? And even though I'm sure the gun must've been in a bag he checked before his flight, the fact that you can even bring one with you on a plane AT ALL just beggars belief!
i know cassandra i thought they had gotten more strict about fire arms on planes even in checked in bags
beacuse there have been problems!
jennifer
and i agree Brian he has other issues besides the obvious. the fact he has to tell he is a virgin is pretty weird I mean Who cares!
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Cops said the heartbroken Jenkins, who lives with his parents, told authorities he was still a virgin and had been "saving himself for her."
Excuse the cynic in me, but a 48 year old male virgin who lives with his parents and can afford to give his "girlfriend" $95,000 sounds like someone with a lot of other "issues."
This guy obviously wasn't "average", and probably had some problems, but I wouldn't think that just because he's a virgin at 48 means he's gay and denying his sexuality or something. (Is that what you were saying?) I mean, I would think there are a decent number of people who go through life and have never had sex with someone. No?? I dunno.
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It's the reference to DS as the "blood-drenched gothic cult show from the late 1960s" that really chaps my ass. Talk about sensationalistic bullshit.
The chap in the photo looks very familiar. Gotta wonder if I actually ran into him in person before.
--Mark[/glow]
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It's the reference to DS as the "blood-drenched gothic cult show from the late 1960s" that really chaps my ass. Talk about sensationalistic bullshit.
Yeah - isn't that great? And the Newsday article has the picture of Barnabas with the fangs. Oy vey...
What in hell does THAT have to do with the price of tea in China??
-CLC
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I was shocked - they left out the TLAT AND mis-spelled her name! ;)
Ringo...
I must agree. That WAS the most shocking thing to me. LOL
-CLC
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Excuse the cynic in me, but a 48 year old male virgin who lives with his parents and can afford to give his "girlfriend" $95,000 sounds like someone with a lot of other "issues."
My first thought was how could an "out of work" man afford to give anyone $95,000 as well as buy an $8,000 Tiffany ring? Either the state of Oregon has an extremely generous unemployment compensation system, or he obviously had a well paying job at some point and managed to save or invest a fairly large amount of his salary. But...
First off, why does he live with his parents if he has that much money?
... perhaps that's why he had so much money to lavish on her.
but there's something VERY not right here with the big picture (and DS has so little to do with it!
Exactly. The real story behind this tragedy seems to be far more complicated than any of the articles have thus far bothered to delve into. But so far as DS is concerned, other than the NY Post article, no one is sensationalizing the DS angle. The Associated Press picked up the Newsday piece, which simply states they met at a DS convention. Considering the other details and obvious twists in the case, I somehow doubt the bit about DS is going to be the detail most people focus on and come away remembering most.
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It's the reference to DS as the "blood-drenched gothic cult show from the late 1960s" that really chaps my ass. Talk about sensationalistic bullshit.
Well, the NY Post wouldn't know how to frame a story sensibly - and they certainly wouldn't let a little thing like facts stand in their way when sensationalizing even such a marginal connection as DS has to this story might sell more papers. Their bottom line isn't exactly journalistic integrity, after all.
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It's the reference to DS as the "blood-drenched gothic cult show from the late 1960s" that really chaps my ass. Talk about sensationalistic bullshit.
--Mark[/glow]
isn't their motto 'never let the facts stand in the way of a good story'????
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Well, I can certainly understand the press playing up the DS convention angle. Their meeting at a Fest is more "interesting" than if they met in the workplace. Still, I'm sure the whole thing will blow over and the DS connection will be forgotten.
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Well, I can certainly understand the press playing up the DS convention angle. Their meeting at a Fest is more "interesting" than if they met in the workplace. Still, I'm sure the whole thing will blow over and the DS connection will be forgotten.
well let's hope so. i already have enough trouble with the hubster giving me a hard time when i want to go to fests, etc. if he only knew, then i'd be given an even worse time over it.
trust me on this point, ignorance for him in this case is pure bliss for me!
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It's the reference to DS as the "blood-drenched gothic cult show from the late 1960s" that really chaps my ass. Talk about sensationalistic bullshit.
--Mark[/glow]
Exactly! "blood drenched?" I didn't know whether to laugh or cry when I read that absurd statement. Obviously, this writer is either very ignorant or hasn't watch too much TV in the past 10 years or so.[smash]
What really gets me is what so many others here have mentioned. And that why on earth was this guy allowed on a plane with a gun? What happened to all the Airport security that we were suppose to have since 9-11? Did they forget that fast?! This is more than sad, this is downright scary!
Cassandra
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I really don't see a lot of negative fallout here for the DS fests. We're talking about two grown people (over 45) who both chose to engage in criminal behavior. She apparently decided on a career as a grifter, and he decided to commit first-degree murder. The DS fest was simply where they met, quite some time ago. They could have met at the Calvary Stampede and come to the same bad end.
For those concerned about firearms on airplanes, they've had to go in checked baggage only, unloaded, for a long time now. Harry Connick Jr. and John Popper (of Blue Traveler) are celebrity examples of people who got in trouble for "forgetting" about that handgun in their carry-on (both were arrested). The whole declaration process is done under the oversight of airline agents, so if this fellow had filled out the airline paperwork, it means he had no access to the gun at all during the flight.
For me, the creepiest thing about this story is the inevitable memory of a hotel that isn't there anymore, because we lost the World Trade Center to a few boxcutters.
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Sheila! You're back!!! Yay!
Luciaphil
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Regarding the gun, it's possible that all the luggage was flown in a cargo plane. That happened when I flew America Worst--I mean West--to Las Vegas. As it turns out, my flight was delayed 14 HOURS, so while I was stuck in Philly, my suitcase was in Las Vegas. I joked to the ticket agent that, if I had known there was going to be such a delay, then I would have checked myself as baggage. Needless to say, she wasn't amused... :)
Regards,
John
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Some people might think I'm a little off, but after reading the two articles, I find myself feeling sorry for the guy and not the "girlfriend". Assuming the story is accurate, all I can see is this pathetic guy thinking he's in love with this woman, he's FINALLY found someone he plans on spending the rest of his life with, and all along she's been scamming him and milking him of all this money. I can't find any sympathy for her at all. What a horrible thing to do to someone. Sick sick sick.
My feelings exactly!
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This guy obviously wasn't "average", and probably had some problems, but I wouldn't think that just because he's a virgin at 48 means he's gay and denying his sexuality or something. (Is that what you were saying?) I mean, I would think there are a decent number of people who go through life and have never had sex with someone. No?? I dunno.
Connie,
Maybe I'm naive, but I guess I can't imagine anyone going through life without some sort of sexual relationship--unless they're a nun or a priest (and we know that's not really true, is it?--sorry, couldn't resist it!) I'm not saying this guy is gay, but that could be part of his problem (or he's a closeted priest?)--I hope not, though--I don't think gays need anymore wackos among our ranks. ;)
Brian
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Maybe I'm naive, but I guess I can't imagine anyone going through life without some sort of sexual relationship
Brian,
Well, I don't find it that hard to imagine really. I think there are people who never have the opportunity, and then there are those who just aren't interested.
(Maybe I'm the one who's naive).
I don't think gays need anymore wackos among our ranks.
I don't think ANYONE needs more wackos among their ranks. Wacked out weirdos really scare the hell out of me lately.
Still waiting to have sex,
I am,
-CLC
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I don't think gays need anymore wackos among our ranks. ;)
Brian
Hold on to your hat, Brian. A new book is due out making the case that Hitler was homosexual.
Dom
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Hold on to your hat, Brian. A new book is due out making the case that Hitler was homosexual.
I've been hearing that for years.
(Gee....and what an attractive guy, huh!) LOL
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I've been hearing that for years.
(Gee....and what an attractive guy, huh!) LOL
Me too, Connie. If nothing else, maybe it will take the wind out of a few Neo Nazi sails - but I doubt it.
Jay Leno joked about it last night. He said (among other things) no gay man would ever possess such a weird mustache and bad haircut.
Dom
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don't feel too safe about firearms on checked in bags
there have been concerns that a gun can be taken out
after it is checked in! i know people are suppose to be checked out and have permits and permission to allow
them to be checked in but makes me wonder!!This guy problay had no priors but it is scary! i suppose if he was intent to kill her would have by any means and if not a gun then he would have done something else!
jennifer
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Brian,
Well, I don't find it that hard to imagine really. I think there are people who never have the opportunity, and then there are those who just aren't interested.
(Maybe I'm the one who's naive).
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No, I don't think you are. Not everyone has a strong libido. There are even instances of people so devoted to the life of the mind that they showed little or no interest in physical relations. A few great minds such as Isaac Newton and the German philosopher Immanuel Kant spring to mind as probable examples. Unlike that deranged man in Times Square, however, their sexual energies were redirected into something positive and universal.
Sorry if that sounds a bit pompous!
And as for people not feeling any sympathy for the scamming victim, I still don't think that what she did - bad as it was - in any way excuses murder. After all, what is worse - losing your money or losing your life?
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Not everyone has a strong libido.
How do you know my wife?
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How do you know my wife?
LOL!!! [lghy]
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Not everyone has a strong libido.
How do you know my wife?
Well, maybe she DOES, and you're just not around when it happens. ;)
Sticking up for Ringo's wife - (Best-selling author of "Gothic Horror in Georgia"),
I am,
-CLC
(Hiding from Ringo at this very moment)
PS Hey! You left yourself wide open for that one.
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Well, maybe she DOES, and you're just not around when it happens. ;)
Sticking up for Ringo's wife - (Best-selling author of "Gothic Horror in Georgia"),
I am,
-CLC
(Hiding from Ringo at this very moment)
PS Hey! You left yourself wide open for that one.
to quote the old 'Rock'em Sock'em Robots' commercial......
Wham! His block is knocked off!!!
Ringo, staggering back to his feet!
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...Ringo, staggering back to his feet!
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