DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: Patti Feinberg on November 23, 2002, 01:51:45 AM
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Yesterday, during OLTL, there was a plug for:
"Ever wish your favorite ABC soaps had a certain storyline...well, write in and...."
Which is a great idea....free storyline ideas!
Anywho,,,what if we all wrote in...perhaps an idea:
Victoria Lord Reilly Buchanan Davidson is researching her family, and she comes across a mention of a 3rd cousin, Laura Murdoch Stockbridge Collins.
This naturally piques Vicki's interest (if for no other reason, this chick's got as many names ;D )
Victoria and Todd :o go to Maine in search of their ince oops ancestors.
Wouldn't it be waaaayyy cool to match Vicki, who's gotta be part Collins with DS?
Hey...they're both ABC soaps :)
Have a good weekend.
Patti
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I would like to see this storyline. Victoria Lord Reilly Buchanan answers a knock at the door to a mysterious stranger who claims to be a cousin from England.[vampy]
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YES!! That sounds great Maria :)
Patti
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I haven't watched that soap since my kids
were a toddlers.
I grew up with all the abc soaps,but the kids
wanted to watch their shows so.......
But what a great idea! Victoria Lord Riley
Bucchan being related to Laura would get me to tune
back in :)
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Hi Julianka, were you watching OLTL when Grayson Hall was on as Euphemia (Bo's "aunt"?)
Gothick
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Hi Julianka, were you watching OLTL when Grayson Hall was on as Euphemia (Bo's "aunt"?)
Gothick
Hi Gothick,
No, darn the luck. I didn't know about Grayson being
on OLTL until the last couple of years. Plus didn't
she and some other DS stars do brief roles on
All My Children? I did get to watch Lois Edmunds
on All My Children and that was a treat.
Instead I was watching Sesame Street and Mister
Rodgers!
Julianka
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Hi Julianka, Grayson was on All My Children very briefly in March 1973. I haven't been able to find out how many episodes she appeared in. Her name is listed in the complete actors credits for the series, though, on a website I visited recently.
Her stint on One Life to Live lasted much longer. I think her first shows were in late August 1982 and her final appearances were around May of 1983.
Louis Edmonds, of course, was on AMC for several years.
Steve
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Today since there wasn't any DS(don't ask me why
Sci Fi is running the same old/same old) i watched
Port Charles when the vampire was revealed! the show is actually pretty good and a good "fix" to cure those old no DS blues!
plus i think the mother Elizabeth has a 1991 DS tie!
also Caleb is a pretty good looking vamp!
i did watch Grayson on OLTL at the time Steve and was pretty excited to see her it was great(been meaning to send you that tape for DB)
OLTL also went back in time once which i'm sure they copied from our favorite show!
jennifer
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Gothick Wrote:
Her stint on One Life to Live lasted much longer. I think her first shows were in late August 1982 and her final appearances were around May of 1983.
I was watching OLTL when Grayson was on the show way back when. The funny thing was that Anthony George (Jeremiah) was also playing on the show, and at the same time, Nancy Barrett had a small part also. One of them initially made a remark about how it felt like a "Dark Shadows" reunion! It was great seeing them all together again.
Cassandra[/font][/b]
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Hi Cassandra, It is mentioned in one of the KLS books that when Grayson, Nancy and Tony George were all appearing on OLTL, one script was written that included a scene where all 3 were together. And reportedly the dialogue included Grayson, or one of them, remarking how long it had been since they had seen one another!
Maybe some day that clip will be included on one of the MPI videos. I have heard that some sort of legal snafu has kept the OLTL tapes all locked up in copyright hell.
Steve
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Today since there wasn't any DS(don't ask me why Sci Fi is running the same old/same old) i watched
Port Charles when the vampire was revealed! the show is actually pretty good and a good "fix" to cure those old no DS blues! plus i think the mother Elizabeth has a 1991 DS tie! also Caleb is a pretty good looking vamp!
jennifer
I've been watching Port Charles since Caleb first came on the scene with the vampire storyline. Then it had assorted angels, a spirit that walked out of a portrait, and now strange rock music that influences some of the characters.
Caleb drinks this special fluid that keeps his urges in check so maybe Dr. Hoffman left her little red diary lying around the set when she did OLTL.
Elizabeth played Daphne in the 1991 DS series.
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What exactly was Euphemia's deal? I've only seen two scenes from OTLT. .one she is talking with some man about her "estate" which she apparently doesn't have anymore. And the other scene, where she's in a very haute couture turban, plotting in a hotel room with some young hunk over breakfast. . .i take it he's her son or nephew or something.
But i want to know the complete story arch and how she exited. . .
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Hi Cassandra, It is mentioned in one of the KLS books that when Grayson, Nancy and Tony George were all appearing on OLTL, one script was written that included a scene where all 3 were together. And reportedly the dialogue included Grayson, or one of them, remarking how long it had been since they had seen one another!
Thanks Steve for the info. Now, if only I could remember what part Nancy had played. The other two DS actors I can remember, but I can't seem to recall who Nancy was. You know, I wish I had taped it (were VCR's out back then? can't remember) It would have been a great keepsake now!! :-)
Ya know, another thing I liked about OLTL was that they ventured back into the past just like DS did! I can remember Victoria (another Vicky?) somehow going back in time on the show to (I think) was the 1800's.
I thought it was great to see a daytime soap opera do this.
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Thanks Steve for the info. Now, if only I could remember what part Nancy had played. The other two DS actors I can remember, but I can't seem to recall who Nancy was. You know, I wish I had taped it (were VCR's out back then? can't remember) It would have been a great keepsake now!! :-)
I thought it was great to see a daytime soap opera do this.
Nancy actually played two roles on OLTL. The first was Rachel Wilson, a terminally ill patient of Dr. Larry Wolek. Later, she had a recurring role as a district attorney.
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Hi Julia,
A mutual friend of ours very kindly made photocopies for me of material relating to Euphemia's story from the Soap Opera Digests of 1982-83. I have read through them a couple of times and I still don't quite understand it (and my name is NOT Vicki Winters), but I'll tell you what I can remember off the top of my head.
One Life to Live is set in this mythical town called Llanview that is pretty much run by the Buchanan family, headed by perpetually scheming patriarch Asa Buchanan. For reasons that I now forget, Asa's estranged wife tells the son and heir, Bo, that Asa is not his father; his real daddy was a chap named Ralston. Bo does research and the only Ralston he can find is an elderly, eccentric recluse, Euphemia (Massey) Ralston, played by Grayson. While visiting Euphemia Bo meets her nephew, and eventually learns that Euphemia also has a daughter, Delilah, with whom she is not on speaking terms. Delilah was played by actress Shelly Burch. Delilah meets up with another character in the story when she winds up in a jail cell with someone named Viki whose relationship to the whole plot I now forget.
Anyhow, Euphemia eventually comes to Llanview with her secret aim being to destroy the Buchanan family, whom she blames for the Ralstons' loss of glory and prosperity. I believe one of Asa's shady business deals was behind it all. Meanwhile, Delilah meets Asa and the two wed. It gets more complicated from there on out--at one point Euphemia is trying to get hold of a letter that proves that Bo really is Asa's son, not a Ralston (Bo does eventually learn that he is really a Buchanan). At some point, after many intrigues, Asa and Delilah tell Euphemia to leave Llanview and she packs her bags. I believe it was thought that GH could return but I think she was tired of doing it at that point. And then, of course, about a year and a half later, she became ill and was no longer able to work.
That's what I remember....
Steve
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Oh, I've watched OLTL for years!
Here's the Ralston family tree:
http://www.soapcentral.com/oltl/ftrees/ralston.php
Yancey Ralston was rumored to be Bo's father. When the latter went to Louisiana to learn more about his supposed roots, he fell for Euphemia's daughter Delila and vice versa, but they didn't act on it because they supposedly were cousins. Euphemia wanted to get back the family fortune (though she must've married into the family), so she, her daughter Delila, and her nephew Drew moved to Llanview. The letter you mentioned that Euphemia was trying to get her hands on (written by Twyla Ralston) said that Yancey was sterile, so of course he couldn't have been Bo's dad. Asa knew Bo was really a Buchanan, but he kept it a secret cuz he had set his own sights on Delila. By the time Bo found out the truth, Delila and Asa were already married, so Bo slept with Becky Lee and (unbeknownst to him) she became pregnant.
Then Asa faked his own death (<yawn>) so Delila and Bo had an affair, and when Asa showed up (I think at his own funeral), Delila realized she'd been played and dumped Asa for Bo. Delila found out that Becky Lee was preggers with Bo's baby, so out of insecurity she kept it to herself and also faked her own pregnancy even though it wasn't at all possible. In the meantime, Becky Lee was supposed to marry Drew but he was murdered. Asa found out she was going to have his grandson so he talked Becky Lee into marrying him. BL eventually told Bo the truth and when he found out that Delila knew all along, he dumped her. I can't remember what led to Euphemia's exit, sorry.
Vicki (Lord), btw, married Asa's other son Clint when she got out of that jail.
Thanks for jogging my memory, Gothick! Aren't we glad we were spared these types of storylines on DS? Til 1841 PT, that is. ::)
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I used to watch OLTL eons ago, but I stopped around 1982 when the show became a rip-off of Dallas, introducing Asa and Bo Buchanan and their ten gallon cowboy hats.
Actually, a tie in with All My Children and Dark Shadows might be a bit more likely (although I stopped watching AMC years ago as well). Unless I'm mistaken AMC took over the very studios in New York where Dark Shadows was filmed, and from time to time, various props from DS have showed up on AMC. The earliest renditions of the Marick mausoleum used pieces of the Collins mausoleum, and when the Marick family home, Wildwynd, was first introduced, they used an exterior shot of Lyndhurst Castle a.k.a. Collinwood in House of Dark Shadows. As if that weren't enough, a secret woman hidden away in an upstairs bedroom, at first believed to be a ghost, turned out to be Dimitri's first wife, whose name was Angelique! It was almost as if the writers were slyly paying homage to DS.
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Wow! Steve and Fran. . .that was pretty convoluted. . .and unfortunately it doesn't look like Euphemia had much soap dirt. .like illegitimate children, affairs. .too damn bad.
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Watching the current OLTL i can see why soap producers
might not like their shows to be shown again(as in that
soap rerun channell) Vicki now(the same one mentioned
above she is ageless) has just found out she gave birth to twins (with different fathers yet) and one was taken from her by the evil father(? the devil) i remember when this child was born to Vicki years ago and no way were twins involved! also Vicki gave birth years before to another child but forgot( soaps way of introducing a child to a female star all grown up) am i making any sense???? my point is that the writers Of DS never thought their shows would ever rerun so they played around with past plots as OLTL is doing today!
jennifer
OT/also remember Tommy Lee Jones(another fav) on OLTL great bad guy!
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Nancy actually played two roles on OLTL. The first was Rachel Wilson, a terminally ill patient of Dr. Larry Wolek. Later, she had a recurring role as a district attorney.
Thanks Mike for refreshing my memory on this. I do remember now that N.B. played a district attorney, however for the life of me, I still can't recall her as Rachel Wilson.
Jennifer Wrote:Vicki now(the same one mentioned
above she is ageless)
Ain't that the truth!! I don't watch the show anymore but my Mom does and one day I happen to catch Vicky on the show. I had to do a double take because she looks exactly as she did when I watched it!! Maybe she's hiding a "portrait in the closet" somewhere. ;-)
Cassanra[/font]
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So I guess this is what we're going to talk about while Dark Shadows is MIA on the Sci Fi Channel? [smrtasy]
raineypark
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Hi Midnite,
Euphemia was born a Ralston; I think she was Yancey's sister. Her married name was Massey. After her husband died, she changed it back to Ralston.
There are a lot of other details I don't know about, but I'm pretty sure I've got this one right!
Thanks for your fascinating post about Euphemia's storyline. I am going to print it out and put it in my file for the chapter on Grayson's appearance on OLTL.
Gothick
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Thanks for clearing that up for me, Gothick. The family name threw me since she'd been married. Shades of Julia Collins?
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Glad to hear you watched OLTL Midnight, and it sounds like you still watch it. It's the only soap I've ever watched besides DS--unless you count the few months I watched THE EDGE OF NIGHT after DS was cancelled back when I was a teen. (I remember something about a ghost on EON.)
Gothick--I gave your letter and Grayson audio tape (finally) to Shelly about a month or so ago. I don't know if she contacted you; she's been pretty busy lately--I understand she's singing in the EPCOT Candlelight Christmas program during the holidays, and she's playing Kate next spring in KISS ME, KATE at the Mark Two dinner theater here in Orlando. Overall, Shelly is very happy with her life and family these days, and doesn't miss her OLTL work.
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...The earliest renditions of the Marick mausoleum used pieces of the Collins mausoleum, and when the Marick family home, Wildwynd, was first introduced, they used an exterior shot of Lyndhurst Castle a.k.a. Collinwood in House of Dark Shadows. As if that weren't enough, a secret woman hidden away in an upstairs bedroom, at first believed to be a ghost, turned out to be Dimitri's first wife, whose name was Angelique! It was almost as if the writers were slyly paying homage to DS.
That's interesting! Everytime I see the interior set of Wildwynd and the Marick Mausoleum, it reminds me of Collinwood. I read somewhere that Ryan's Hope used the studio. I guess AMC did too. I think Montel is taped there now.
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Brian: Thanks for passing along the tape and letter to Ms. Burch. I haven't heard from her. It's possible that I will hear something after the frantic holiday month is past.
A friend who has watched OLTL fairly regularly over the years told me that back in the 70s and 80s they reused some pieces of the Dark Shadows sets on that show. Sy's work was so good, it seems to have really made the rounds on every soap that had a plot involving a mansion!
There have been rumours in fandom for years that some of the flats--the OH ones I believe--were sold to a very exclusive Long Island girls school for the use of their drama program; now I wonder whether this could possibly be true, given the accounts we've seen of the sets showing up in subsequent years on other shows.
Gothick