DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '11 II => Topic started by: Watching Project on July 07, 2011, 01:24:02 AM
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Robservations #8
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Wow, an entire scene that's present on the MPI tapes and in recordings off the SciFi channel has been eliminated from my DVD. After Liz tells Vicki she wants her to be happy and leaves the room, and before the credits start, Miss/Mrs. Hopewell is seen dictating a letter to her secretary that's addressed to Vicki in "Collinswood" in which she says she received a visit from Strake, who posed the same questions that Vicki had asked during their phone call.
Anyway, the secretary (whose only role on DS was cut during the DVD transfer!) was played by Gwen Van Dam, who is still working in Hollywood and in local theater.
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Actually, that ending scene is in DVDs that were produced later – see the following discussion:
DS: The Beginning DVD
That particular scene is that reason that I finally finished watching all of the original Dark Shadows today. Previously I had watched episode 8, but on a DVD that was missing this scene. Now I've got a later one. With apologies to Emerald Rose: [milestone]
Miss Hopewell's dictation was a surprise to me. My first thought was that I didn't know the foundling home could afford a secretary to take dictation, but my second thought was that back in those days managers didn't know how to type. Even female managers, I guess - or else it would have made Miss Hopewell look like a lesser person if she admitted she could type.
Elizabeth's inner turmoil didn't work very well for me. There are times on Dark Shadows when I feel a character's pain so clearly that it's as if I myself am hurting, but this isn't one of them - probably because we don't know what the whole story is.
So is the idea that Bill Malloy saw Joe Haskell with Burke and decided to give him an incentive to remain loyal to the Collinses? The real surprise to me is that the promotion didn't happen before. I feel sorry for Joe, though. We are being shown, plain as plain can be, that although Carolyn likes Joe, she's not in love with him. If she had gone to college, he would have been history by now.
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Miss Hopewell's big grin is a bit creepy. Later as she was doing that dictation scene, I decided that Elizabeth Wilson is just milking her part. Where else have I seen her? everywhere perhaps? "The Fugitive" pops into my head.
When someone brings flowers to someone in a scene, it seems to write itself. Oh, flowers for me?/us? How lovely! Yellow roses? She'll love these! I'll just go and put these in some water! There's a couple minutes wasted...
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I find it amazing now that Joe will be earning a whole $25 more per week! [ghost_grin]
Does anyone know what a "checker" did/does in the fleet office? I suppose this promotion is Elizabeth's way of keeping Joe on shore and out of danger. Ocean fishing is the most dangerous occupation--mining is no. 2.
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Thanks, Lydia. I want a replacement.
Miss Hopewell's big grin is a bit creepy. Later as she was doing that dictation scene, I decided that Elizabeth Wilson is just milking her part. Where else have I seen her? everywhere perhaps? "The Fugitive" pops into my head.
Mike Nichols movies? As Barnard Hughes' wife in Doc? Nine to Five? The Birds? All in the Family? Picnic? (I'm trying!)
She still has the grin: Primary Stages Toasts Elizabeth Wilson on 90th Birthday, April 2011 (http://broadwayworld.com/article/Photo_Coverage_Primary_Stages_Toasts_Elizabeth_Wilson_on_90th_Birthday_20110404)
This is such a polite bunch, but of course smileys are for everyone to use. [ghost_smiley]
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As Barnard Hughes' wife in Doc?
I did watch that. Good show. Thanks....
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Miss Hopewell's big grin is a bit creepy.
Oh, I think she'd make a dandy prison matron. Yikes!
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I find it amazing now that Joe will be earning a whole $25 more per week! [ghost_grin]
Does anyone know what a "checker" did/does in the fleet office?
Yeah, I thought 25 clams was quite a raise myself. That's a hundred a month!
Joe is a checker - a small, round disk that sits atop a board of red and black squares. Crown me.
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Joe is a checker - a small, round disk that sits atop a board of red and black squares. Crown me.
Done. [ghost_wink]
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(http://www.dsboards.com/SMF/Smileys/classic/queen.gif)
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I guess Miss Hopewell's storyline is the first of many in DS history to simply drop out of sight. I thought the scene (which I really hope is on MY DVD!) implied that we would be seeing more of Miss Hopewell, but alas, it was not to be.
G.
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Magnus, Elizabeth Wilson had a wonderfully milkable role in the movie The Addams Family.
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Magnus, Elizabeth Wilson had a wonderfully milkable role in the movie The Addams Family.
Thanks, Lydia, I do like that movie. I tend to remember people from 60s or 70s roles though. If I weren't trying to do an Internet commando raid, getting in and out fast to get more recovery time soon, I'd Google. I will I think. When you said that I pictured her in the AF series for an instant I thought. I'll bet she was in the Fugitive.
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EW wasn't in The Fugitive. Do you remember Edith Bunker's cousin with a philandering husband?
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EW wasn't in The Fugitive. Do you remember Edith Bunker's cousin with a philandering husband?
Not offhand, thanks Midnite. At ImdB now... The Birds, The Graduate, maybe.... it was someone else in The Fugitive apparently, but similar looking, I keep getting a flash of an image.
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EW wasn't in The Fugitive. Do you remember Edith Bunker's cousin with a philandering husband?
Wow! That episode was just on Antenna TV last night. I sure didn't recognize Wilson. Must've been the 15 lost lbs and the facelift. ;)
ProfStokes
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Must've been the 15 lost lbs and the facelift. ;)
[lghy]
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Where else have I seen her?
Picnic?
What a coincidence! I just saw Picnic recently! It was made the year I was born. [ghost_smiley]
That particular scene is that reason that I finally finished watching all of the original Dark Shadows today. Previously I had watched episode 8, but on a DVD that was missing this scene. Now I've got a later one. With apologies to Emerald Rose: [milestone]
That's OK, Lydia! [ghost_wink] I sure am glad that I waited to buy that DVD! [ghost_cheesy]
I was thrilled when Joe said he got a raise! [ghost_grin] It's too bad that Elizabeth set it up. [ghost_nowink] It's also too bad that Joe is in love with Carolyn and wants to marry her; but Carolyn, even though she loves him, too, doesn't want to get married. Poor Joe! [ghost_sad] I don't blame him for not accepting that job arrangement; he should earn a raise on his own.
I really hate it that, even after Vicki found out from Miss Hopewell that Elizabeth was lying, Elizabeth continued to lie. It would have been great if [spoiler]Elizabeth had confessed to Vicki that she was indeed the one who sent that money to her every month and that Elizabeth was her mother! Too bad it never happened. [ghost_undecided][/spoiler]
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It would seem that Elizabeth would have come up with a better cover story about hiring Vickie and why involve Roger. She could have just said a person who wishes to remain anonymous told her. Then when she thinks Joe knows "all the rest" she really loses it.
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It would seem that Elizabeth would have come up with a better cover story about hiring Vickie and why involve Roger. She could have just said a person who wishes to remain anonymous told her. Then when she thinks Joe knows "all the rest" she really loses it.
Maybe they were thinking about a Great Expectations storyline, with ECS as Mrs. Haversham! It seems to me after all the build-up and the implications about Liz being her mother, they'd feel obligated to go the other way, and have the benefactor be someone else, for some other reason. Or it could be the father sending the checks, with Liz or another woman as the mother. No one talks about who the father might be.
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It seems like Liz is used to getting her own way. She wants to control things, like getting her daughter married.
It was to obvious that Liz, wanted Joe, to have the means to support Carolyn. Would there be a even better job?
I don't think that Joe could support Carolyn in the manner she had become accustomed to.
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It just occurred to me that Joe is safe. Elizabeth knows him and knows that he's not after Carolyn for her money. The way that Burke has attracted Carolyn makes it seem that it wouldn't take much for her to run off an marry him and he'd have gotten his foot in the door to Collinwood.