DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: jennifer on November 07, 2002, 02:52:50 AM
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it would have been nice to see Jenny "before" to see what Quentin ever saw in her! She just drives me nuts
Judith today was too much Beth basically saves her life and she just screams at her like Beth has any control
of what happens to Jenny! it is alos a bit farfetched to think no one would find her in the tower.
jennifer
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Hello Jennifer i agree that was rude of Judith she
should of thanked Beth for all she did to save her.
Too bad they didn't lock Judith in there !!!
Love Anne
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it is alos a bit farfetched to think no one would find her in the tower.
I asked myself when Rachel was trapped in the tower and screaming for help, is it possible for Dirk to hear her over the storm? If so, how is it that nobody ever knew Jenny was hidden in the tower? I'm sure she never made a peep in all her months of confinement. ::)
I really like Jenny and I've always felt that she was a sympathetic character. True, she is violent, but she has a motive, and at times she demonstrates sincere tenderness for her 'babies.' Even though she's considered 'mad,' Jenny does seem to have a heightened sense of the underlying tensions in Collinwood, such as Judith's jealousy. I agree that it would have been nice to see an indication or a flashback of what Jenny was like before her madness, considering the ruin she is now. Marie Wallace really won my respect with this portrayal, and she has many more great scenes in the near future.
ProfStokes
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Here in New England we all have a loon relative locked away in the tower, if only figuratively.
For the record, in my family, I'm it.
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Here in New England we all have a loon relative locked away in the tower, if only figuratively.
For the record, in my family, I'm it.
N
They'd probably lock Sheenasma away in Hat- fard! ;-)
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Ok, here's where we see the "Jane Eyre" influence on DS! Has anyone ever read the classic novel or seen the several film adaptations? Basically, it's about a young governess (hmmm...could it be Rachel Drummond) who comes to a forbidding mansion (draw your own conclusions) to work for the equally forbidding Mr. Rochester. Mr. Rochester's wife is allegedly dead, and he has one darling (and annoying, depending upon what film you watch) daughter, and she soon becomes the apple of Jane's eye.
At night, Jane hears strange sounds--like screams and yelps--coming from the tower room (hmmm...). And one particular evening, someone sets Mr. Rochester's room on fire! Jane sees that a mysterious "Mrs. Poole" keeps going up to the tower room--wonder what could be up there?
Eventually, Jane and Rochester fall in love and decide to marry. At the wedding, when the priest/minister asks if there's anyone present who objects to the union, a strange man speaks up. He says "I object, because Mr. Rochester is already married!" Jane is confused, but Rochester is incensed. He takes the wedding party to the tower room and introduces them to his wife--who is quite mad, watched over by Mrs. Poole, and attempts to attack Rochester.
Sound familiar?
Rod
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How long before we start feeling Magda has some tie to Crazy Jenneeeeee??
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I agree that it would have been nice to see an indication or a flashback of what Jenny was like before her madness, considering the ruin she is now. Marie Wallace really won my respect with this portrayal, and she has many more great scenes in the near future.
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It has been a long time since I've seen the 1897 storyline, but IIRC, there is a scene later on in which Magda describes Jenny when she was younger, and you do get an idea of what Quentin saw...Magda's narrative calls forth a vivid image of how beautiful and vibrant she must have been. It really emphasizes the tragedy of how she wound up, too.
I agree, Marie Wallace is exceptional in this role, but then I like all her DS portrayals, even Megan Todd. :D
Cheers,
Linda
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Prof.Stokes Wrote:
I asked myself when Rachel was trapped in the tower and screaming for help, is it possible for Dirk to hear her over the storm? If so, how is it that nobody ever knew Jenny was hidden in the tower? I'm sure she never made a peep in all her months of confinement
It's amazing how Dirk managed to hear Rachel screaming! Here we have the Tower room which is suppose to be located high up on the house, a storm so loud that I could barely hear what was being said between anyone at Collinwood, and windows that supposidly don't open, and yet Dirk hears it all!! What does he have super sonic hearing now?
I remember when Millicent was screaming to high Heaven up there when Barnabas had bitten her in 1795 and yet no one heard a sound.[hdscrt]
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I found myself wishing Rachel would just STAY locked up in there - at least for a couple of weeks.
No big deal. She DID have her hanky with her.
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About the Jane Eyre storyline -- I cannot see Edward and Rachel as a couple although they deserve each other.
There was an episode where we saw what Jenny looked like before ... it comes later in the storyline and has to do with the baby's casket Barnabas and Chris dug up in the woods.
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Don't worry, this isn't a spoiler.
My memory may be faulty, but at one point don't we see a photograph of Jenny before she went Norman Bates?
Gerard
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Here in New England we all have a loon relative locked away in the tower, if only figuratively.
For the record, in my family, I'm it.
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This reminds me of that infamous definition of a Boston Brahmin: someone who has a membership at the Boston Athenaeum (where I work), a seat at Symphony Hall and a relative at McLean's (psychiatric hospital)!
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SPOILER!
I seem to recall that after Quentin dispatches Jenny, she returns as a "ghost," and we see her as she once was: vital and beautiful.
Rod
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I'd like to know when there was time to fix the lock Dirk surely broke by busting into the tower room? And who would they risk learning the secret to have fix it?
dom
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And speaking of Dirk and the tower room, the slap that Judith gave Jenny had to be the fakest I've seen, this side of a badly acted Z movie. And didn't you love the way the "brick" wall moved when Dirk dragged Jenny back in?
Rod
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the slap that Judith gave Jenny had to be the fakest I've seen, this side of a badly acted Z movie. Rod
It reminded me of the way characters would slap each other in a Carol Burnett skit, with the exaggerated swing of the hand and then that loud, "smacking" sound.
Gerard
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And didn't you love the way the "brick" wall moved when Dirk dragged Jenny back in?
Rod
That was great! A true "milk out the nose" moment. Glad I had finished my oatmeal before seeing that scene. Oatmeal out the nose would not have been a pretty sight.
(Still laughing) Dom
PS - I can't believe Judith had the nerve to see Jenny alone after what had transpired the night before!
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This is the first time I've viewed the 1897 storyline--I have a couple of questions. If Jenny is Magda's sister, why doesn't she have a gypsy accent like Magda? Also, about the Jane Eyre story influencing this storyline--if Jenny was married to Quentin why would she want to burn Edward (the Rochester character) in his bed and not Quentin--her husband? [huhb]
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Good questions, MM. I've been wondering the same thing especially about the Edward/Jenny angle. I am looking forward to the answers to your queries. I'd also like to know why no one (especially Quentin) hasn't questioned why their dear cousin from England doesn't have an British accent.
dom
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I'd like to know when there was time to fix the lock Dirk surely broke by busting into the tower room? And who would they risk learning the secret to have fix it?
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LOL!! Dom, I was wondering that too!!
One minute, "Tarzan" (well, he might as be Tarzan by the way he manhandles all the women & grabs them by the hair!!!) anyway, he knocks down the door to save Rachel one minute, then a few scenes later, Jenny is locking Judith in the same room!!
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Good questions, MM. I've been wondering the same thing especially about the Edward/Jenny angle. I am looking forward to the answers to your queries. I'd also like to know why no one (especially Quentin) hasn't questioned why their dear cousin from England doesn't have an British accent.
dom
doesn't Barnabas have some lame excuse why he doesn't have a British accent!
jennifer
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This is the first time I've viewed the 1897 storyline--I have a couple of questions. If Jenny is Magda's sister, why doesn't she have a gypsy accent like Magda? Also, about the Jane Eyre story influencing this storyline--if Jenny was married to Quentin why would she want to burn Edward (the Rochester character) in his bed and not Quentin--her husband? [huhb]
I think she lost her accent in a determined attempt to leave her origins behind her. Presumably it would come back as she deteriorated mentally, but this IS soap opera land. And the reason she tried to burn Edward is because we are not supposed to KNOW that she is actually Quentins's wife, and think that she is Edward's missing little lady. I honestly think they did a nifty job of that twist. I know the first time I saw it, it took me completely by surprise.
And I think that any crazy person could probably come up with at least one or two good reasons to burn Edward, whether they had been married to him or not!
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And I think that any crazy person could probably come up with at least one or two good reasons to burn Edward, whether they had been married to him or not!
Heh, heh, heh, heh. Good one.
dom
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Man, I was so hoping that they would have shown it when she wacked Dirk with that tray. Cost = Priceless.
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Kuanyin, I agree you were right on the money, they wanted everyone to think Jenny was Edward's wife. They laid hints for a few days. Even the scene when she lit his bed on fire was another way to throw the audience of track. Yes, I read/saw Jane Eyre and loved it. Always have been a sucker of a romance, Gothic just adds to the love. Back to Jenny they wrote and it was played out beautifully. Got to love a girl who can take out Dirk. I could just hear the other woman in the cast cheering.
Birdie
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Yes, I read/saw Jane Eyre and loved it. Always have been a sucker of a romance, Gothic just adds to the love.
you Jane Eyre fans. . any of you read Jean Rhys's Wide Sargasso Sea about the first Mrs. Rochester?? An interesting book. . .Of course Ms. Rhys is better known for having written the Prime of Miss Jean Brodie. . ."guerls - I am in my PRIME! and I'm devoting it to you!"
Amazon critique of WSS:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0393308804/qid=1036735328/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-7191512-1584167?v=glance&s=books
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Man, I was so hoping that they would have shown it when she wacked Dirk with that tray. Cost = Priceless.
so true payback time for those past scenes in which he threw Eve around!
jennifer
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it would have been nice to see Jenny "before" to see what Quentin ever saw in her! She just drives me nuts
Judith today was too much Beth basically saves her life and she just screams at her like Beth has any control
of what happens to Jenny! it is alos a bit farfetched to think no one would find her in the tower.
jennifer
In all honesty, I think Jenny in "her day" would have looked just like that tramp Eve!! Lol!!
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I always felt sorry for Jenny. She was treated so shabbily not only by Quentin but also by Judith and Edward.
[spoiler]According to Quentin neither of them accepted her. (Boy I can believe that! And this was long before Jenny's gypsy orgins was discovered). They probably made her feel as welcomed at Collinwood as the plague.
Then Quentin runs out on her with Laura, his brother's wife! Poor Jenny just couldn't handle it and went mad. Did Judith and Edward care one little bit about her welfare? NO!!! They were more worried about what the scandal would do to their precious family name. Beth even said that Edward tried to bribe Jenny to go away (some brother-in-law!) until he found out she was pregnant and insane.
Under the circumstances wouldn't the humane thing to do would be to send Jenny to an asylum in the first place, make sure she got the proper care, treatment and rest, especially since she was gonna have a child? Nope, Judith and Edward had her imprisoned in the tower room! (I am wondering did Jenny have the babies in the tower room?! Now THAT would have been something to see!) Keeping her in confinement I think only further deteriorated her mental state and had Judith and Edward had even at least one iota of compassion for her they would have realized that.[/spoiler]
I think Jenny was Marie Wallace's best role. She was wonderful as Jenny. She really made you feel for her.
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Here in New England we all have a loon relative locked away in the tower, if only figuratively.
For the record, in my family, I'm it.
LOL! And that reminds me of one of Julia Sugarbaker's funniest lines in an episode of "Designing Women". It was during Bernice's sanity hearing. I didn't trust my memory so I actually found it on the Net...
Julia: And just for the record, I think you should know, even if Bernice were crazy, that doesn't necessarily mean she should be put away.
Phyllis: What are you saying?
Julia: I'm saying this is the South. And we're proud of our crazy people. We don't hide them up in the attic. We bring 'em right down to the living room and show 'em off. See, Phyllis, no one in the South ever asks if you have crazy people in your family. They just ask what side they're on.
Phyllis: Oh? And which side are yours on Mrs. Sugarbaker?
Julia: Both.
I think I must have southern roots...well, at least I'm still on the loose. ;D
And about the use of Jane Eyre and other classics...my take on that is that the writers tended to look at classic literature the way you would a buffet table - fill your plate but, take only the bits and pieces you like the most.[/size]
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I asked myself when Rachel was trapped in the tower and screaming for help, is it possible for Dirk to hear her over the storm? If so, how is it that nobody ever knew Jenny was hidden in the tower? I'm sure she never made a peep in all her months of confinement. ::)
I've said it before and I'll say it again: That Tower moved around. It had secret trysts at Windcliff with the Old House staircase on the nights when Windcliff was nearby. Jenny knew about it and tried to tell people ("They're so loud that they wake my babies!") but of course nobody believed her.