DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: A.I.Collins on October 28, 2002, 08:15:16 AM
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Is it ever mentioned who Judith,Carl,Quentin,and Edward's mother supposed to be?...Since Edith is their Grandmother..i figure maybe they have a mother unmentioned or something.
Adra
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Good Question, Adra! It never even occurred to me. Both parents of Edward, Judith, Quentin, & Carl must be of the 1840 brood, and obviously both dead. I can't wait to see the answer, and how the DS writers screwed this up too.
Curious Dom
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Oh Dom, you really did change to an Angels avatar! You poor thing-- I know that hurt.
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wtg angels!!! [beer] [thumb]
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The parents are never identified. We meet a younger Edith in 1840 (but you'll find lots of inconsistencies there!). She and her husband (to avoid spoilers I won't bother naming him) do have children, but we never meet them or learn anything about them. Since these are all Collinses, clearly it's a son of hers who had them. But, we don't even know anything about him, let alone who his wife was. At this point we just have to assume they are both dead since there's Grandmama and her 4 grandchildren.
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In 1967, Victoria Winters and Burke Devlin want to move to a house called Seaview on the Collins Estate.
However, the previous owner, Caleb Sayers Collins, left a provision in his will that no one is to live there for 100 years after his death (1872). Caleb Sayers could have been one of Edith's sons, though not the father of the 1897 brood. He is never mentioned again on the series.
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In 1967, Victoria Winters and Burke Devlin want to move to a house called Seaview on the Collins Estate.
However, the previous owner, Caleb Sayers Collins, left a provision in his will that no one is to live there for 100 years after his death (1872). Caleb Sayers could have been one of Edith's sons, though not the father of the 1897 brood. He is never mentioned again on the series.
Wasn't there also mention of the initials 'McF'? Barnabas brought a handerchief supposedly from upstairs at Seaview to show to Victoria. Burke gave him a sour look after he did so knowing the Victoria is once again impressed by something old from the past given to her by Barnabas.
Scary stuff must have been going on at Collinwood while Roger and Elizabeth were growing up. Roger talks about it once but it was never expanded upon it.
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However, the previous owner, Caleb Sayers Collins, left a provision in his will that no one is to live there for 100 years after his death (1872). Caleb Sayers could have been one of Edith's sons, though not the father of the 1897 brood. He is never mentioned again on the series.
I'm really impressed by your memory Joeytrom!
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Their father was Geoffrey, he was in the cast credit list as a name that was only referred to. I looked for a similar entry for the mother and didn't find one.
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The parents are never identified. We meet a younger Edith in 1840 (but you'll find lots of inconsistencies there!). She and her husband (to avoid spoilers I won't bother naming him) do have children, but we never meet them or learn anything about them.
Actually, Edith speaks of her husband Gabriel, and how cruel Gabriel's father was to him, in 1897. I noticed this scene was cut from the Sci Fi Channel's most recent airing of these episodes. (I guess they need more time for all those self-promotions.)
In 1840, we twice hear mention of Edith and Gabriel's sons (plural) - and how they were sent away to boarding school. This is the only mention of their children so far as I know.
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Their father was Geoffrey, he was in the cast credit list as a name that was only referred to. I looked for a similar entry for the mother and didn't find one.
Yes, I have seen a family tree that identifies the father of Edward, Judith, Quentin and Carl as Geoffrey, the middle child of Edith and Gabriel. Their other sons names were Caleb and Charles. I do not know where this information came from, as I do not recall mention of Geoffrey on the series; however, this tree leaves blank all unknowns, so it does not seem to resort to fan fic or speculation but rather relies on only established fact. It's possible that a mention of Geoffrey was made on the show, but cut from the re-issued tapes. I know that the Sci Fi channel cuts the episodes to make room for more commercial time.
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Whaaaaat? I don't suppose there is any way to get Sci-Fi to air the eps in their entirety? That's very disappointing. Does anyone know if they are responsive to letter writing or e-mails? I've sent both in the past, thanking them for continuing to air "Dark Shadows," but never heard anything back. Not that I really expected to.
I suppose we should be glad that they're showing the thing at all. >:(
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Whaaaaat? I don't suppose there is any way to get Sci-Fi to air the eps in their entirety? That's very disappointing.
I assume the MPI tapes are not edited, but it's quite possible a few of the original (master) tapes had to be cut here and there for technical reasons, so bits and pieces may have been lost from the original airings.
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Actually, Edith speaks of her husband Gabriel, and how cruel Gabriel's father was to him, in 1897. I noticed this scene was cut from the Sci Fi Channel's most recent airing of these episodes.
Maybe I'm hallucinating here, but I seem to remember a scene just recently where Edith was referring to her husband's father as treating him badly. She also mentioned a picnic the Collins family had just prior to her marriage. So just what scene was cut? [hdscrt]
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Maybe I'm hallucinating here, but I seem to remember a scene just recently where Edith was referring to her husband's father as treating him badly. She also mentioned a picnic the Collins family had just prior to her marriage. So just what scene was cut? [hdscrt]
The last time I saw the 1897 episodes I was surprised to hear elderly Edith refer to Gabriel by name. This is long before they ever thought of the 1840 story line so I was impressed they referred to this history when they finally got around to it. I don't remember the specific instance but it was missing from these airings.
What really pi$$es me off is that a large part of the commercial breaks during DS are devoted to Sci Fi's own self-promotion rather than paid-for advertising; so they are not making cuts for the sake of raking in extra sponsor dollars but rather for their own promos. >:-(
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What really pi$$es me off is that a large part of the commercial breaks during DS are devoted to Sci Fi's own self-promotion rather than paid-for advertising; so they are not making cuts for the sake of raking in extra sponsor dollars but rather for their own promos. >:-(
And yet, they NEVER promote DS at all. I think a substantial number of people would be start watching if they only knew that it was on. It is on at an odd time, and most people who work don't scan the tv guide for shows when they aren't home to watch them (though they may tape them if they realize it is something they like). And those who work will never by chance come across it, since it is always preempted on a holiday. WHY NOT a Dark Shadows Marathon, I ask???
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Whaaaaat? I don't suppose there is any way to get Sci-Fi to air the eps in their entirety? That's very disappointing. Does anyone know if they are responsive to letter writing or e-mails? I've sent both in the past, thanking them for continuing to air "Dark Shadows," but never heard anything back. Not that I really expected to.
I suppose we should be glad that they're showing the thing at all. >:(
Unfortunately, it's a sad fact that just about all shows that ran from the 1950s to the 1980s are edited. Shows from the 70s & 80s (and part of the 60s) are usually 25 minutes long uncut. Shows from the 50s are generally a minute or two longer. Most networks (including Nick-at-Nite, TV Land, etc) edit them down to 22 to 22 and a half minutes. DS is actually pretty lucky, since soaps were shorter back then, DS doesn't have as much cut out of it. Unforetunately, other networks don't use most of their commercial breaks for their own promos like Sci Fi :(
I doubt the MPI tapes are edited unless something was damaged. I know they edited one episode by putting the opening picture on longer for a few seconds, but I doubt they did this in incidents unlike that one. Most companies release their TV shows uncut unless they are one of the ones that put shows on VHS that are in the 'open' market (IE their syndication/video release hold on them by their original companies no longer exist) and MPI, from what I've seen, isn't one of them.
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Every few years commercials are granted more airtime.
Plus even on reruns of recent shows are edited. Example, Will and Grace and Friends.
Makes me wonder what they are going to do with those special 40 minutes shows.
I wish the networks could find a better to make money, then from the ads. Which totally determined if a show gets cancel or not.