Robservations #1198
I do not and never will buy that Barnabas was suddenly struck with love for Angelique. No way. Not after everything she’d done to him. But then, he’s pretty darn fickle. Let’s see. How many reincarnations of Josette did he fall in love with? And then came Roxanne. But, really, I can’t imagine Barnabas forgiving Angelique of all her misdeeds and pronouncing his love for her.You're being too global. And so was Barnabas, though in a different way. Barnabas has seen Angelique lift his curse, and he has seen her risk her life to save Quentin, and he assumes that beneath all of the wicked things that Angelique has done, there beats a heart as true and warm as any man could desire, and that she's just bursting with compassion for her fellow man. Of course Barnabas loves her! He believes (extrapolating a little here) that if, like him, she had seen the unhappy people in 1841 parallel time, then she, like him, would wish she could help them. Of course he's wrong. Angelique still doesn't care about anybody except Barnabas. She's willing to save any Tom, Dick, or Harry if it will please Barnabas - but only if it will please Barnabas. Oh, golly is he ever going to be disappointed the next time he deals with her! Because of course - in the universe of the uncanceled series - she will be back. Maybe she'll fool him for a while, but ultimately he'll be disillusioned. Julia will be there to pick up the pieces, and he'll indulge in a few lamentations to Julia and extol Julia's friendship in a way that will make the hearts of all BJ shippers go pit-a-pat - and then he'll go hell-for-the-leather after the next sweet young thing who catches his eye.
Trask disappearing in PT time.Cool moment, when suddenly Trask is no longer visible to anybody in our time.
And now we, like Trask, are trapped in parallel time, and the series, like Trask, will die there.
Anyway, really, I'm starting to think that the Stairway was responsible for the "temporal bubble" that this sort-of alternate 1995-1970-1840 existed in, and that once Desmond chopped it up, the bubble popped, and things went back to the way they'd been "before". So, B&J's actions in the "past" didn't save Liz and Collinwood, but rather Desmond's chopping.
Barnabas has seen Angelique lift his curse, and he has seen her risk her life to save Quentin, and he assumes that beneath all of the wicked things that Angelique has done, there beats a heart as true and warm as any man could desire, and that she's just bursting with compassion for her fellow man. Of course Barnabas loves her! He believes (extrapolating a little here) that if, like him, she had seen the unhappy people in 1841 parallel time, then she, like him, would wish she could help them. Of course he's wrong. Angelique still doesn't care about anybody except Barnabas. She's willing to save any Tom, Dick, or Harry if it will please Barnabas - but only if it will please Barnabas. Oh, golly is he ever going to be disappointed the next time he deals with her! Because of course - in the universe of the uncanceled series - she will be back. Maybe she'll fool him for a while, but ultimately he'll be disillusioned. Julia will be there to pick up the pieces, and he'll indulge in a few lamentations to Julia and extol Julia's friendship in a way that will make the hearts of all BJ shippers go pit-a-pat - and then he'll go hell-for-the-leather after the next sweet young thing who catches his eye.
I think you're right, Lydia, about Barnabas and Angelique.
I think A did change to some extent, though, in some way that would have made things interesting later
And now we, like Trask, are trapped in parallel time, and the series, like Trask, will die there.
You're right! Good point!
Thank heaven for 1841 parallel time. If the series had ended with 1840, I would have thought, "It was running out of steam. Maybe it's a good thing it was canceled." Loving parallel time 1841 as I do, I think, "Many more fantastic storylines could have been done, and would have been done, if only it hadn't been canceled."
Unfortunately, a lot of us do feel that sense of tiredness you describe, but because of 1841PT, and if things had ended with 1840RT, at least there would have been a sort of conclusion, with the present's happy ending, and some satisfying concluding episodes with good writing for 1840RT. I think PT1841 is satisfying for DS fans who are more soap-inclined (or who enjoy those sweeping epic etc. romantic novels) than horror-inclined, and that wouldn't be me. I like romance worked in amongst the other aspects, like horror, not stared at point-blank... I can tell 1841PT is well done, I noticed that finally last time around, but it's such a different show that the horror music is out of place.
I also like seeing how one thing, the Room, distorts all the relationships between the residents of Collinwood.
And now we, like Trask, are trapped in parallel time, and the series, like Trask, will die there.
You're right! Good point!
Actually, Lydia never meant anything like that, as is clear from what she goes on to say. ;)
Actually, Lydia never meant anything like that, as is clear from what she goes on to say. ;)
Like what? That's a quote. It was just a nice observation about Lamar and the viewers being in comparable positions though; I wasn't reading anything further into it.
As for the horror and soap elements in 1841PT, when I watch it and wonder what it lacks for me, I do notice a lot more relationship discussion going on for long stretches without a horror element, and in those scenes I notice how inappropriate the viola/cello music seems.
This has just led me to think that 1897 Edith may have actually been married to Quentin I, who died in 1863, and she was Tad's mother (The Thaddeus Collins who fought in the Civil War) in addition to the son who had Edward, Judith, Quentin II, & Carl.
That sounds like a reasonable answer as to why 1840 doesn't exactly mesh with 1897.
This has just led me to think that 1897 Edith may have actually been married to Quentin I, who died in 1863, and she was Tad's mother (The Thaddeus Collins who fought in the Civil War) in addition to the son who had Edward, Judith, Quentin II, & Carl.
You're being too global.
Not that I'm defending Ang, but technically speaking the curse killed Sarah (and Josette, and Naomi). And, yes, Ang, also placed the curse - but she did also try to remove it. And Ang was also its first victim. Just saying... [easter_cheesy]
Janet the Wicked, I think I love you.
This has just led me to think that 1897 Edith may have actually been married to Quentin I, who died in 1863...Do we know that Q1 died in 1863? I don't think I ever did
Old Edith remarked that her husband died in 1863 (34 years prior to 1897), and I think what Joeytrom is doing above is theorizing that she was speaking about Quentin I.
This is great! I feel like a famous author. Dead, but famous.My point was that to take that particular remark away from the context of what Lydia goes on to say can easily imply that the point she was making was that with the switch to 1841PT the audience as well as the show itself is trapped in a bad storyline and thus it dies there. But within the full context of what she says it's clear that isn't what she was saying because after making that remark she goes on to say how much she loves 1841PT. However, I can now see from your explanation that that wasn't the implication you were trying to make by taking her remark away from its context.Actually, Lydia never meant anything like that, as is clear from what she goes on to say. ;)Like what? That's a quote. It was just a nice observation about Lamar and the viewers being in comparable positions though; I wasn't reading anything further into it.
I like the point about the Stairway through Time spreading its tentacles (or spores)Cool words!
Joan Bennett and Grayson Hall have the distinction of being the only cast members to appear in three time periods in a single episode: 1840RT, 1971RT, and 1840PT.Cool thought!
I've been called many things, but never global.Janet the Global...It has a nice ring!
1. 1840 Quentin and Daphne have no offspring.With a postscript that Daphne didn't know the secret, but I don't think Grandmama's knowledge of the secret was essential to the action in 1897.
2. Tad dies in the Civil War, bravely falling alongside his cousin Thaddeus.
3. 1840 Quentin dies sometime after 1840 but before 1870 or so.
4. Daphne raises Judith, Edward, 1897 Quentin, and Carl when their parents die: “Great-aunt-aunt” instead of “Grandmamama”.
5. I Ching, possibly even more devoted to Barnabas than Julia is, cleans up the mess created by the fact that Barnabas, having arrived in 1840 via I Ching, leaves via the staircase. Thanks to I Ching, there is a Barnabas in the coffin in 1967 for Willie to discover.
As for who died in 1863, it was definitely Gabriel, identified by Grandmama Edith as her husband
1897 Edith never mentioned her husband's name, just that he died 34 years before. She does reference him in a very positive way.Edith definitely mentioned Gabriel's name. My look at the Robservations didn't help on the subject, so it would be necessary to go back and watch the episodes (705 and 706, I think) to make sure that Edith identified Gabriel as her husband, and I'd rather not get distracted from what we're watching now. But I think those episodes left no doubt that Edith's husband was Gabriel.
Edith definitely mentioned Gabriel's name. My look at the Robservations didn't help on the subject, so it would be necessary to go back and watch the episodes (705 and 706, I think) to make sure that Edith identified Gabriel as her husband, and I'd rather not get distracted from what we're watching now. But I think those episodes left no doubt that Edith's husband was Gabriel.
I remember "Gabriel" too.