DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: Raineypark on October 03, 2002, 11:50:54 PM
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Why do we find some characters sympathetic and others not? Why do we love some and loathe others?
Name a character....(NOT an actor).....and explain if you can, exactly what it is about that character that draws you in, OR, specifically what it is about that character that makes you despise them. Who do YOU admire, feel sorry for, envy, mistrust, or hate. Who makes you laugh, cringe, worry, blush, or groan?
There will be no judgements, prizes or unannounced quizes at the end of this thread. ;)
Raineypark
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i really like Joe, everytime I see him i get excited, because he seems such a caring man. I remember the first time I saw him in color I was really excited.
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Who do YOU admire, feel sorry for, envy, mistrust, or hate. Who makes you laugh, cringe, worry, blush, or groan?
Well, the GREAT thing about Carolyn is that she invokes ALL of the above!
Come to think of it, my man Roger, fits much of this also. I like the combination of hero/villain that is Roger. He is truly a snob for all seasons.
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Gee Raineypark, I think you opened a can of worms. It seems if you criticize someone's favorite the walls fall down on you. I feel all alone in the character I dislike. Unfortunately, I can't stand Amy Jennings. I like the actress and did not mind her as Nora. Amy has always struck me as a manipulative accomplished liar. She seems to have a knack at saying exactly what adults want to hear even before her ghostly influences. Her wide-eyed oh so innocent delivery reminds me of Eddie Haskell(Leave it to Beaver).
Please don't think I hate kids. I have two of my own and enjoy entertaining their friends.
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It seems if you criticize someone's favorite the walls fall down on you. I feel all alone in the character I dislike.
Amy has always struck me as a manipulative accomplished liar. She seems to have a knack at saying exactly what adults want to hear even before her ghostly influences. Her wide-eyed oh so innocent delivery reminds me of Eddie Haskell(Leave it to Beaver).
OK, now you are IN FOR IT! How DARE you....oh, sorry!
Actually, you think she is an accomplished liar because she IS an accomplished liar. She is giving David lessons, and he was pretty good at it before her.....You are certainly entitled to not like her for these reasons, but they are why I DO like her. It is refreshing to see a bratty child and one that does it so well. And even the psychology for it. She has lost her parents. Presumably ol' Tom was loving, but I have to wonder how good a father substitute he was. She lost him. Chris lies to her and disappears everytime she needs him. She has wolfie blood running through her veins. I think the miracle is that she can ACT innocent and OK.
I find her as believable a character as a little future wolf breeder could possibly be. And I guess that is part of what makes or breaks a character for me....
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Oh thank you, Kuanyin. You wrote it so much better than I could. I did not mean I didn't want her around. I think she is a perfect replacement for the old David. I just wish more characters caught on to her. Caroline was getting suspicious but got distracted.
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Someone has to side with the heavy. You have to admit Angelique generates lots of excitement during the show. I consider her one of the main ingredients in the DS souffle.
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Gee Raineypark, I think you opened a can of worms. It seems if you criticize someone's favorite the walls fall down on you.
Well, I certainly don't intend for anyone to get crushed under a pile of bricks....but I think you're worrying needlessly.
If someone DISAGREES with your opinion they're more than welcome to explain why to the rest of us. If they have to resort to ATTACKING your opinion (and/or YOU), well....just ignore them.
Rainey
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There will be no judgements, prizes or unannounced quizes at the end of this thread. ;)
And no reproaches!
Harry Johnson draws me in because inspite of his shady past, he is handsome, sweet, a good dresser, and there is a good person there that tries to resist evil. He also has a Mom that works in a haunted mansion!
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I LIKE Amy! She's a complex character and she's nobody's fool. I enjoy watching her.
Of course, if I had to be AROUND her, I'd probably strangle her.
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P.S. Love Eddie Haskell too. LOL
(HIM, I'd like to smash in the head) :)
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If someone DISAGREES with your opinion they're more than welcome to explain why to the rest of us.
Exactly.
If they have to resort to ATTACKING your opinion (and/or YOU), well....just ignore them.
Actually, those are situations the mods will handle:
3. Debate should be kept on a non-personal basis. Flaming and name-calling will not be allowed. It is never appropriate to attack, criticize, or condemn another poster. Retaliation, sharp reproof and cynicism are to be avoided. Disagreement is a natural occurrence, but as stated above, should be done in a respectful manner. Likewise, these disagreements should not be continued beyond the normal limits of interesting discourse. Argument for argument's sake is not welcome.
I've been reading some of the ongoing discussions in other topics with interest, particularly in reference to what qualifies as an answer and what doesn't. I've brought this up before before but apparently it bears repeating: If a poster throws a question out for discussion, they don't get to dictate or judge its answers. Suggesting possible answers or providing a list from which to choose is helpful, but if a poster's response strays from a given list, no one may attempt to intimidate him or her for it.
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And no reproaches!
See above.
:D
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Someone has to side with the heavy. You have to admit Angelique generates lots of excitement during the show. I consider her one of the main ingredients in the DS souffle.
Im with you all the way Vam! I love the character of Angelique because with her around, things are never boring! You just know that when you see her on that something exiting is going to happen. My favorite of her was during the 1795 storyline when she first arrived from Martinique and was casting her spells all over the place and you just never knew what she'd do next.
Magda is another favorite of mine. Between the wig, accent & those long gyspy skirts of hers, she was a total hoot to watch!
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This is pretty goofy but the character I loved to hate is Jeb Hawkes...
In the beginning it was easy to despise his evilness and control over everyone (especially Barnabas)...but as the show progressed and he wanted to save Carolyn..I became one of his biggest fans (if not the only one!).
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Dear Onyx_Treasure:
The Amy Jennings/Eddie Haskell comparison. I love it!
"Those earrings that you're wearing are especially 'charming,' Mrs. Stoddard/Cleaver (take your pick)."
Bob the Bartender, past winner of the Larry Mondello lookalike contest.
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Oh thank you, Bob. I just kept hearing about what a sweet child she is. I am glad I am not the only one to notice all is not right with the girl.
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Name a character....(NOT an actor).....and explain if you can, exactly what it is about that character that draws you in, OR, specifically what it is about that character that makes you despise them. Who do YOU admire, feel sorry for, envy, mistrust, or hate. Who makes you laugh, cringe, worry, blush, or groan?
Jason. He's cruel, sleazy, misogynistic and overall, one nasty piece of work. But he's got charm and I find him attractive. Not, I admit, husband material, but provided you used a condom and made sure your money was not anywhere within a ten-mile vicinity, probably great for a fling. I don't admire him and I think the character is despicable, but there's something about him that makes me hope that he and Liz will make a go of it.
Roger. (Big surprise). I can't possibly improve on kuanyin's great line :) (which should be engraved on his tombstone as an epitaph). He's nasty, an alcoholic, an atrocious parent, and a perjuror, but thanks to Edmonds' performance and the writing of Wallace and Swann he's also a very well-fleshed out character. The bitterness and the acerbity mask pain and mistakes--mistakes, I might add, that are realistic enough. I can see how he might have gotten to be the way he is. Again, I'm not excusing the character's behavior, but there's something there to keep me riveted on him.
Luciaphil
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Any of Jerry Lacy's characters. He plays both attractive and repulsive equally well. That's what makes them compelling.
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Jason. He's cruel, sleazy, misogynistic and overall, one nasty piece of work. But he's got charm and I find him attractive. Not, I admit, husband material, but provided you used a condom and made sure your money was not anywhere within a ten-mile vicinity, probably great for a fling.
Hey, what is this I see- Jason and Luciaphil sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G...LOL! ;)
(I now know my days are numbered:o)
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Jason. He's cruel, sleazy, misogynistic and overall, one nasty piece of work. But he's got charm and I find him attractive. Not, I admit, husband material, but provided you used a condom and made sure your money was not anywhere within a ten-mile vicinity, probably great for a fling. I don't admire him and I think the character is despicable, but there's something about him that makes me hope that he and Liz will make a go of it.
ROTFL Luciaphil oh the visual! but i find Jason creepy
(aka makes my skin crawl) Amy was creepy here too
but the one i felt the most for was Beth she was such a tragic character!loved to see her give one to Angelique(sorry Vam)
jennifer
i liked Eddie too Connie it was Lumpy i couldn't stand on The Beaver
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Oh thank you, Bob. I just kept hearing about what a sweet child she is. I am glad I am not the only one to notice all is not right with the girl.
You're certainly not the only one as I find her character rather annoying & irritating to watch. I can't take all her whining either. I think it's because they tend to show too many scenes with the kids in them and I find that boring. I find myself sitting waiting for the Adults to come on.
Now Sarah has always been my favorite female child actor on the show. She was just so lovable & adorable, (mistakes & all) and I found her very warm hearted as well. You just wanted to protect & hug her, where as Amy is concerned, I just want to smack her![smash]
I liked Nora's character as well. IMHO, she seemed more
real & believable as a child. :-)
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Back during the original broadcast, I was always feeling sorry for Barnabas. I missed both 1968 and 1795, and when I first saw him, he was the hapless victim of Cass/Angelique, stuggling to redeem himself and live a halfway decent life. Even as an adult when I see Barnabas' shortcomings with a much less bedazzled eye, Jonathan Frid's performance often wrings my heartstrings.
Willie is one of the finest tragic characters in the entire series. I really wish they had resolved his storyline towards the end and allowed him to go off with his Roxanne and enjoy a happy married life. Over the period of the series, he is definitely a man who gets way more misery to endure than he ever deserved. And, of course, John Karlen's wonderful acting imbued the character with a lot more than was there on the printed page.
Some of the characters that people can't stand, such as Count Petofi, Cassandra Collins, and Jeb Hawkes, are among my favorites on the show because the actors portray them so magnificently and really show the charisma that these evil supernatural beings possess.
Magda is another wonderful tragic character. Even though she is responsible for nearly everything that happens to her, I find myself riveted every time I watch the episodes where she encounters yet another layer of tragedy in her life. Even though Magda was larger than life, I felt that Grayson played her with wonderful subtlety, and I think there was more of the real Grayson in Magda than in Julia.
I could go on and on ... wonderful topic ... but the last one I'll mention is Buzz Hackett. Well, if I had been living in C'port back in the glory days of '67, Miss "Poor Little Rich Girl" Carolyn Stoddard wouldn't have had 5 seconds to jerk Buzz around on the love-chain, because I would have nailed that boy and made him forget Blondie ever existed!
It's a big job but somebody has to do it,
Gothick
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I'm going to have to agree with Miss Winthrop, and because I adore him. Yes, it's Barnabas. At first, when I was 11, way back when, he scared the bejeese out of me. But by the time I was 11 1/2, things were looking, how shall I say it, differently.
I am drawn to Barnabas, mind, body and soul.
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I love the scenes between Magda and Sandor. They made a realistic old married couple.
Spoiler
Magda's grief was very believable and well handled by Grayson.
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Hey, what is this I see- Jason and Luciaphil sitting in a tree K-I-S-S-I-N-G...LOL! ;)
(I now know my days are numbered:o)
Unfortunately, I have a total of $20 in my checking account at almost all times, so I doubt Mr. McGuire would even throw a glance my way (mock sigh).
Luciaphil