DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: Bouchard on September 09, 2002, 12:39:54 AM
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Is it just me, or lately in Dark Shadows, has it seemed that the whole cast turns to sleeping pills to make things better? In just one episode, at least half of the cast asked another 'You should take a Senative'.
^I didn't spell the last word right, someone help me out here!
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'You should take a Senative'. I didn't spell the last word right, someone help me out here!
You're close, Days: the word is "sedative". :)
I also like Nelly Furtado a whole bunch! [thumb]
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That's what everybody did back then. Pop a pill. They also drank like fish, smoked like chimneys and ate fat and cholesterol like they were at an ancient Roman banquet.
I remember on an old Tom Snyder talk show, when he told a doctor that his mother lived to be in her nineties and when she died, it was in her sleep, no warning. Until that moment, the woman drank like a fish, smoked like a chimney (unfiltered Camels) and ate meat and mashed potatoes covered with butter and gravy, followed by chocolate cake for dessert. He wondered why she was able to do that (and by his recollection, many of her relatives and friends) and live to be a totally independent woman way into her nineties, while today if we just do one of those things once, we're dropping dead in our forties. The doctor answered: "No one ever told her those things were bad for her."
Gerard (Who remembers when George Burns, also well into his twilight years, was on Johnny Carson. Here's Johnny scolded him for smoking and drinking at his age, wondering what his doctor said about it. To which George Burns answered: "My doctor's dead.")
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Yeah, it's either "Have a sedative", "Here's a brandy", or "Let's have a seance"...
MrsJ.
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That's what everybody did back then. Pop a pill.
And in the early 80's, everybody popped reds.
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Isn't it funny though, that my generation of promiscuous, drunken pot heads looked down on the older generation for popping pills? Geez, where did we get off? Mother's Little Helper is the perfect example of the attitude. Now that I'm in A.A., I know it is ALL THE SAME. Heck, I knew it then, I raided my mom's medicine cabinet! (Please note, I regret MUCH of my youth!)
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..."Have a sedative", "Here's a brandy"..."Let's have a seance"...
Hey, I'm up for all three!
[beer] [ghost]
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(Please note, I regret MUCH of my youth!)
I regret much of mine too, kuanyin. I'm just amazed that I graduated from highschool with a B+ average. I wish I had been involved in after school sports and activities, which is what I want to try to encourage my daughter to do.
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Gerard (Who remembers when George Burns, also well into his twilight years, was on Johnny Carson. Here's Johnny scolded him for smoking and drinking at his age, wondering what his doctor said about it. To which George Burns answered: "My doctor's dead.")
LOL!! Leave it to George Burns to come out with that line!
I guess Im just a firm believer in fate and that when it's your time to go, it's your time regardless of what you do. Just take a look at Grayson Hall, I believe she had even quit smoking for years before she developed lung cancer, and yet there are others like you mentioned who can smoke until their in their 90's and never get anything.
As for the Collinwood pill popping, it's really not at all that different today. Before it was sedatives, now it's Valium and Prozac! :-)
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As for the Collinwood pill popping, it's really not at all that different today. Before it was sedatives, now it's Valium and Prozac! :-)
And along with that, even doing healthy things can get outta control. I just hafta workout everyday, and some days I'm at the gym at five-thirty in the morning, running on treadmills, pumping away on cross-country machines, lifting weights. Five-thirty in the morning. If that ain't an obsessive addiction, I don't know what is. We can't even take the right things and do them without ending up on Oprah. But then, life would be rather dull.
Gerard
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Just take a look at Grayson Hall, I believe she had even quit smoking for years before she developed lung cancer, and yet there are others like you mentioned who can smoke until their in their 90's and never get anything.
Cassandra, from everything I've read about Grayson, she quit smoking just several years before she died but it was too late. She declined very quickly. Some of us are predisposed to getting certain diseases.
I did an internship years ago at a pulmonary health facility and a man, around 52 years old, had smoked for most of his youth and adult life. He had injured himself on his job, causing an injury to his lungs which hastened the development of emphysema. So actually, the emphysema, dormant for so long, manifested it-self rapidly due to his injury.
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Hey, I'm up for all three!
[beer] [ghost]
I'll second that motion!
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As for the Collinwood pill popping, it's really not at all that different today. Before it was sedatives, now it's Valium and Prozac! :-)
If anything, it's worse today. Back in the 60's we didn't see all these advertisements on TV for all these pills like we do now. Seemingly everyone who's feeling a little blue should be on medication. "Depression is a serious medical condition." I'm sure it can be - but at the same time, the pharmaceutical companies aren't getting rich off a small minority of clinically depressed patients; they're marketing their pills to just about anyone who's feeling a little down, making them think they should go to their doctor and get a prescription, which the doctor is only too happy to dole out for that kickback from the drug company. It's disgusting. It also disgusts me how many school children are being medicated rather than disciplined.
I better stop my rant now!
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It also disgusts me how many school children are being medicated rather than disciplined.
It's even more sinister than that Dr. E.L.
Here in NY State, kids who have been diagnosed with learning disorders are given additional time to take standardized tests....which is only right.
But you would not believe the number of kids from educated, wealthy families (who can find and pay the right doctors) who are SUDDENLY diagnosed with learning disorders in High School, after perfectly normal successful elementary and middle school careers....JUST so they can take more time on the ACT's and the SAT's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Rant all you want....I always do!!!!!
Raineypark
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And along with that, even doing healthy things can get outta control. I just hafta workout everyday, and some days I'm at the gym at five-thirty in the morning, running on treadmills, pumping away on cross-country machines, lifting weights.
Hey good for you Gerard! I know what you mean about trying to live healthy. Every evening I jog 3 miles here on a trail that's pretty close to my house. Never miss a day, whether it's 98 or 10 degrees outside, Im there! Been doing this for over a year now. (Have to admit though, I do this mainly because I just love to eat)
All this brings to mind the attractive black female athlete Flo who had won on the U.S. Women's running team several times in a row years back. She had been running for years and was in excellent shape, only 36 years old and suddenly died from a heart attack!! (Fate again ?)
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If anything, it's worse today. Back in the 60's we didn't see all these advertisements on TV for all these pills like we do now. Seemingly everyone who's feeling a little blue should be on medication. "Depression is a serious medical condition." I'm sure it can be - but at the same time, the pharmaceutical companies aren't getting rich off a small minority of clinically depressed patients; they're marketing their pills to just about anyone who's feeling a little down, making them think they should go to their doctor and get a prescription, which the doctor is only too happy to dole out for that kickback from the drug company. It's disgusting. It also disgusts me how many school children are being medicated rather than disciplined.
On the topic of anti-depressants, I have mixed feelings about the decision of drug companies to advertise their product, but in their defense I'll admit I have several friends that have benefitted tremendously from these drugs; loved ones are ALIVE because of them. What I find disgusting is the amount of clinical depression that goes undiagnosed and/or untreated, but the ads have at least aided in bringing this serious problem into the open where it can be discussed.
And what I've seen of the medications that treat ADD, ADHD and other illnesses affecting our children has made me think that in many cases they're a godsend. Resorting to medication in these instances is never an easy process for caring parents, and I agree with you completely that meds aren't appropriate in all cases of hyperactivity, but I disagree with another of your statements because just as depression is not caused by a lack of self-discipline, behavioral disorders in children are not caused by a lack of parental discipline.
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Just a bit of input form the older generation. My grandmother raised me and if you didn't feel well she figured exlax was a cure for anything. Yuck.
Tanis
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On the topic of anti-depressants, I have mixed feelings about the decision of drug companies to advertise their product, but in their defense I'll admit I have several friends that have benefitted tremendously from these drugs; loved ones are ALIVE because of them. What I find disgusting is the amount of clinical depression that goes undiagnosed and/or untreated, but the ads have at least aided in bringing this serious problem into the open where it can be discussed.
As stated, my objection is the willingness of doctors to prescribe these drugs when they are unnecessary because they get kick-backs from the drug companies.
And what I've seen of the medications that treat ADD, ADHD and other illnesses affecting our children has made me think that in many cases they're a godsend. Resorting to medication in these instances is never an easy process for caring parents, and I agree with you completely that meds aren't appropriate in all cases of hyperactivity, but I disagree with another of your statements because just as depression is not caused by a lack of self-discipline, behavioral disorders in children are not caused by a lack of parental discipline.
I think children who have a very real need for such medicine are a small minority. Friends of mine were forced to put their 8-year old on Ridalin simply because the daycare center found her too unruly. She's a rambunctious child but by no stretch of the imagination is she hyperactive. Daycare providers and teachers would rather medicate than do their jobs and discipline because it's so much easier for them, and the doctors prescribing these drugs have joined forces with them to make money.
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I think additional time on testing is a god sent for some children. My daughter certainly could have used it. Because she had radiation treatment before she was two she did have some learning disabilities. I wish we had per sued it further. She was so stubborn she would not be tested. She struggled and still managed to get pretty good grades but I know having extra time would have benifted her. She hated the thought of being different than other kids. Now in her second year of college she still is strong willed.
Birdie--look who is once again rambling
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On the topic of anti-depressants, I have mixed feelings about the decision of drug companies to advertise their product, but in their defense I'll admit I have several friends that have benefitted tremendously from these drugs; loved ones are ALIVE because of them. What I find disgusting is the amount of clinical depression that goes undiagnosed and/or untreated, but the ads have at least aided in bringing this serious problem into the open where it can be discussed.
And what I've seen of the medications that treat ADD, ADHD and other illnesses affecting our children has made me think that in many cases they're a godsend. Resorting to medication in these instances is never an easy process for caring parents, and I agree with you completely that meds aren't appropriate in all cases of hyperactivity, but I disagree with another of your statements because just as depression is not caused by a lack of self-discipline, behavioral disorders in children are not caused by a lack of parental discipline.
Oh my God, Midnite, I can't tell you HOW much I appreciate this post. I know the previous sentiments are the popular ones today, and the lack of understanding is actually quite well intentioned. As the parent of a child who desperately needs his medications, I can say that having someone understand is unusual.
Some parents MAY be manipulating the system for learning disorders, I really have no idea. But I have never once heard a parent that was anxious to use medication for their child. If anything, the child loses much precious time in terms of education and self esteem while the parents fight the idea and blame the teachers/school for "not wanting to teach". (My son's teacher is a living saint, God bless her). Thank you for a thoughtful response on a subject I tend to get emotional about.
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Seemingly everyone who's feeling a little blue should be on medication.
I take my happy herbs, St. John's Wort. It helps me with reactions to loss.