DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: VAM on September 07, 2002, 01:51:56 AM
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This is one of my favorite storylines. However, it is very long. I like many of the new characters- Quentin, Petofi, Magda, Aristede, Lady Kitty, and Garth Blackwood to name a few and a familiar face like Angelique showing us a different side. Please share your comments.
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This is one of my favorite storylines. However, it is very long. I like many of the new characters- Quentin, Petofi, Magda, Aristede, Lady Kitty, and Garth Blackwood to name a few and a familiar face like Angelique showing us a different side. Please share your comments.
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Love 1897 David Selby is great and has such charisma
and charm. I also liked Beth,Judith, Carl Magda,Tim shaw,Jamison,Nora
Petofi is great as the evil one this time and Aristede great as his henchman.
hated Gregory Trask(the worst of the Trasks (IMHO)
Evan,AMANDA HARRIS, also hated Charles D. Tate for no other reason than he created her,Charity Trask until she turned into Pansy Faye
now i didn't like Kitty that much!Hated LAURA but found Dirk amusing esp as a vamp.
felt sorry for Rachel!
I did like when angelique turned and became allies with Julia!
can't wait one of my favorite storylines
ADAM IS GONE[hello]
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Im looking forward to this storyline coming up, [thumb]especially after this last one. I've always loved when they go back into the past and next to 1795, this one is my favorite! I especially love the costumes of that era and at least being able to see some new outfits for a change.
I also love seeing the intoduction of some new faces as well, such as Quentin,(I know Annie will be happy!) and also seeing Beth, Magda, (gotta love her) Count Petofi, Crazy Jenny,[spin] [rollb] and of course Angelique again!
Oh, and who can forget PANSY FAYE??!! What a character![beer]
Like Jennifer, I just can't stand Laura[egypt] or Trask but I guess you gotta take the good with the bad!
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Oh, and who can forget PANSY FAYE??!! What a character! [beer]
Like Jennifer, I just can't stand Laura[egypt] or Trask but I guess you gotta take the good with the bad!
The Charity Trask/Pansy Faye character is my favorite of the ones portrayed by Nancy Barrett.
Actually, I liked the confrontation scene between Laura and Angelique. It would of been nice to see more of that action between the two supernatural characters.
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I have to say that the Gregory Trask, Judith Collins part of the storyline is one of my favorites. I was glad that Jerry Lacy got a much more complex character with many dimensions to play in this period. I was a little tired of the fire & brimstone Rev. Trask role.
I never understood the Quentin & Angelique angle. Was she so desperate to become a family member and gain some respectability that she would marry a man she didn't love? After all, Quentin didn't have power or money since Judith had it all.
The whole 1895 storyline overall is terrific with Beth, Jenny, Petofi, et al.
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I have mixed feelings about 1897. Part of it is excellent, taut storylines, interesting complex characters, some really good performances. Part of it, you get the feeling that the writers had given up even trying to outline and were pretty much writing it day by day; it shows and it sucks.
The sibling rivalry/who did Edith leave the $$$ to?, Magda and Sandor, Trask and Judith, Quentin, Jenny, Beth, even a bit of Laura--all these are characters and elements that work so very well.
I think Joan Bennett possibly did some of her finest work as Judith and she plays beautifully against Jerry Lacy's Trask and David Selby. For anyone who thinks that the Reverend Trask is the same as Gregory Trask, well, they need to watch and compare the two again, because Lacy shines as Trask.
In the latter half of the storyline when I'm wishing to hell they would just end it, there are still great moments. KLS as Kitty, Lady Hampshire (she would only be Lady Kitty if she was the daughter of a duke or an earl--she married into her title) does some of her best work. I really wish they would not have morphed her into yet another SYT because she was interesting to watch. Then we have the Petofi character, who while he's just kind of disgusting to me, gives us one great performance from Thayer David.
And of course, there's Quentin.
What I don't like? Well, as I said, there's a point when they jumped the shark and you can tell. TPTB had no clue WTF they were doing. Characters lose motivations, plots make no sense. They had written themselves into one big hole and had no idea how to get out. Garth (sorry VAM), I don't get. Why is he there? Why should I care that he is? The Quentin/Angelique thing made no sense to me. It didn't work in terms of her character, which up until that point had been relatively consistent.
I like the Charity/Pansy angle a lot, but I think they went too far with it and didn't know how to come back. Amanda? WTF? This was during the "let's match Quentin with every female character under forty and see if our ratings jump" period. Rachel comes from the early 1897 period, but she's positively annoying to me. The character was written atrociously; there is no sense/or thought behind any of her actions and it's all godawful. Roger Davis also has entirely too much to do during this plot.
Luciaphil
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Garth (sorry VAM), I don't get. Why is he there? Why should I care that he is?
Don't be sorry for me because the Master of Dartmoor is here to see you-Now who cares?;)
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[thumb][thumb]This is my favorite period. Love Anne's Qman!. I also think that Judith was a great character and that Joan Bennett shone. I really had gotten into your story about Judith Collins, The Education of Judith Collinsbut have not been able to find any more episodes. Did I miss them, or were they never posted?
Imagining the characters in the days of their youth (Judith, Edward, Quentin, etc) was really great. Please let us have some more.
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[thumb][thumb]This is my favorite period. Love Anne's Qman!. I also think that Judith was a great character and that Joan Bennett shone. I really had gotten into your story about Judith Collins, The Education of Judith Collinsbut have not been able to find any more episodes. Did I miss them, or were they never posted?
Imagining the characters in the days of their youth (Judith, Edward, Quentin, etc) was really great. Please let us have some more.
Thank you. I'm glad you're enjoying it :) Unfortunately, I'm sort of at a writer's block point with it. Since I'm in my last semester of graduate school, it's been on the backburner for me, but hopefully when the 1897 arc airs, I'll be inspired and have some new chapters up.
And VAM--I ain't worried if he's after me or not ;) I've survived one legendarily tough library school professor; Garth-boy doesn't scare me.
Luciaphil
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[hello]Gotta love the Q-man!!!
Selby really owns the set with his debut!!!!
David H. really shines through as the "mini-me" Petofi!!
Jerry Lacy is in his self rightous element as Trask, as is Clarice as Minerva.
Grayson as Magda totally rocks!
The clash of the uber evil women Laura and Angelique is a gem too.
And we get to sing along with Pansy, "I wanna dance for you"!
And one can't forget the one hit wonder Julianka! And some great performances from King Johnny!!!
Can't leave out Terry Crawford's Beth! She really lights up the storyline from her kissing chemistry with Quentin to her devoted care of Crazy Jenny, she is wonderful!
Now, isn't this when writer Violet Welles makes her debut!!! She does an AWESOME job. For those seeing this storyline for the first time, you're in for a real treat!
[shadow=purple,left,300]Always, Minja ;)[/shadow]
At the 2001 Halloweenathon at Tarrytown, Terry Crawford and Marie Wallace reprised their roles as Beth and Crazy Jenny and were totally awesome! Watching them was as if I was watching the storyline for the first time again! They were so in character and dead on perfect! With them doing it live and just a few feet from me, I felt I was part of the action, which totally magnified the enjoyment! Made me even more happy I attended the Halloweenathon last year! Wish I could astral project myself there this year!
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[hello][hello] Great for you, Luciaphil! I've been there, done that, and I have never regretted the years spent going to UGA. I didn't get a public library degree, but chose to get a teaching certificate, and then a Master's in Educational Media and Librarianship and a Six year in Instructional Technology. Then I applied what I had learned for the next twenty years in elementary school. Even though I am retired, I still go back and substitute for media specialists on long time maternity leave. I love the school library!!!! Good for you!
Afan
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Actually, I liked the confrontation scene between Laura and Angelique. It would of been nice to see more of that action between the two supernatural characters.
Yes! You're right VAM! How could I have forgotten that one? It was great to see these two acting it out! The only time I actually liked seeing Laura was when she had scenes with Angelique. May the best "witch" win!! :-)
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Now, isn't this when writer Violet Welles makes her debut!!! She does an AWESOME job. For those seeing this storyline for the first time, you're in for a real treat![
Some of the best dialog in the Series comes from Violet Wells in this storyline.[thumb]
Hey Afan, there are a few librarians on this board including yours truly!;)
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Laura is one of the negatives in 1897 rather see Beth and Angelique going at it
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Angelique was just being a bitch here Beth should have clawed her eyes out! trying to steal the Q man!
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May the best "witch" win!! :-)
She sure did!;)
Hey Jen, you know who will win that cat fight (a la DYNASTY style) and I would be willing to place a bet on it!
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PRO: No Jeff Clark! [hello]
CON: RD plays TWO characters!! [scrm]
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She sure did!;)
Hey Jen, you know who will win that cat fight (a la DYNASTY style) and I would be willing to place a bet on it!
heehee Vam my money is on Beth!
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heehee Vam my money is on Beth!
It will not be YOUR money soon;)
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Reminder:
Everyone seems to be talking about 1897 as though it's ready to start. Quentin (as a ghost) will be appearing soon, but there's a fairly sizable present day story about that before they go back in time. I'm sure many will love this part, but just thought I'd mention that it's not quite time for 1897 yet.
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Luciaphil has already covered a lot of what I like and dislike about 1897 (as usual!).
As much as I'm looking forward to 1897, at the same time I'm dreading the present-day setup. I think it took a little too long, and focused a little too much on the children. Strangely, this is the case with each time-travel story line. It begins with the focus on the children in present day, yet once we actually travel back into the past, we see next to nothing of the kids. But I was pretty sick of the kids, in each instance, by the time they finally traveled into the past.
As Luciaphil has already pointed out, the 1897 episodes are usually outstanding, but the story line itself is the most inconsistent in the series, written day by day, seemingly with little planning. There are history revisions aplenty and I don't like seeing performers play more than one character within the same time line (KLS as Rachel & Kitty; Thayer David as Sandor and Petofi; Roger Davis as Wilkins and Tate, etc.). It is also unfortunate that both Joan Bennett and John Karlen both left the show for the majority of this time line. I also felt the end of the story was too focused on Petofi and got tired of him. They seemed like they were just dragging the whole thing out by the end of 1897 because they didn't know what to do next and didn't want to end a popular story line.
That being said, I can't wait for Nancy Barrett to play Charity possessed by Pansy Faye; and Joan Bennett really gets a chance to do some acting with the Judith character. I was very impressed with how much Bennett brought to the portrayal that obviously wasn't in the script. In fact, just about every performer has their best character in the 1897 time line, from John Karlen to Grayson Hall.
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Can't leave out Terry Crawford's Beth! She really lights up the storyline from her kissing chemistry with Quentin to her devoted care of Crazy Jenny, she is wonderful!
At the 2001 Halloweenathon at Tarrytown, Terry Crawford and Marie Wallace reprised their roles as Beth and Crazy Jenny and were totally awesome! Watching them was as if I was watching the storyline for the first time again! They were so in character and dead on perfect! With them doing it live and just a few feet from me, I felt I was part of the action, which totally magnified the enjoyment
They were both wonderful at the Halloweenathon. For those of you who haven't seen a photo of these two lovely ladies in costume from last years party, look below. You can check out more photos from this gathering on my DS Events site located at;
http://bobubas.topcities.com/index.htm
(http://members.aol.com/bobubas/bethjenny.jpg)
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It will not be YOUR money soon;)
you know Vam i do usually back the underdog!heehee
have been a Red Sox fan as long as i've been watching DS(1966)of course i was a wee girl barely out of the cradle! just think Beth might surprize you and since Quentin is the prize! sometimes nice does beat out witch!And Angelique might just mess up one of her potions!
jennifer
of course you might also see me jumping off The Tobin Bridge soon anyway!
did i tell you i always enjoy your posts!
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Hey Bob love that picture! They both look so good!
are they going this year?
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[color=FF00FF]Thanks for the pic Bob!!!
Ahhh, the memories of Tarrytown! Miss ya sweetie![/color]
[shadow=purple,left,300]Always, Minja :-*[/shadow]
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The best of 1897 is, of course, Quentin. The mind switch episode is brilliant...the flashing back and forth there. Magda is great and Beth by far the most tragic charecter (someone please explain to me the logic behind Beth being considered a wimp, while Julia is lionized as this paragon of strength. Beth had some basis and Julia was motivated solely by something that existed only in her mind. Even if Julia had something to go on, getting it from Barnabas cannot compare with a piece of Quentin).
Con wise: Amanda Harris blows chunks.
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The best of 1897 is, of course, Quentin. The mind switch episode is brilliant...the flashing back and forth there. Magda is great and Beth by far the most tragic charecter (someone please explain to me the logic behind Beth being considered a wimp, while Julia is lionized as this paragon of strength. Beth had some basis and Julia was motivated solely by something that existed only in her mind. Even if Julia had something to go on, getting it from Barnabas cannot compare with a piece of Quentin).
Con wise: Amanda Harris blows chunks.
Beth rules I agree totally with above Nancy
Also Amanda Harris[puke] sorry for any of her fans
but i think she was one of the worst actors on the show ICK! That voice!
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Beth rules I agree totally with above Nancy
Also Amanda Harris[puke] sorry for any of her fans
but i think she was one of the worst actors on the show ICK! That voice!
I just don't understand all the animosity towards Amanda Harris. Granted she didn't have the strongest character on the series but plenty of others were equally weak if not more so. As for her acting, I thought she was just fine, if not quite good. I can think of so many other actors who were so much worse: Lee Beery (Joanna Mills), Kathy Cody (Hallie Stokes), Betsy Durkin; I would argue even that Donna Wandrey (Roxanne) and Diana Millay (Laura) were worse actors.
Maybe there's a little jealousy/outrage going on here over the fact that Quentin fell for Amanda and not someone else you would have preferred more?
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...the flashing back and forth there. Magda is great and Beth by far the most tragic charecter
I agree Nancy. Who could not love that Magda! She was a trip! I thought Grayson did a great job portraying her too.
I have always liked Beth and wished that she and Quentin could have wound up happy together! It was such a bummer to find that he went from Beth to Amanda in just one storyline. [puke]
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I just don't understand all the animosity towards Amanda Harris. Granted she didn't have the strongest character on the series but plenty of others were equally weak if not more so. As for her acting, I thought she was just fine, if not quite good. I can think of so many other actors who were so much worse: Lee Beery (Joanna Mills),
I totally agree with you. I have always felt Ms. Beery gave one of the more weaker performances on the show. It seemed like she was forever looking at the telePROMPter? ;-)
As far as Donna McKechnie goes, I also enjoyed her performance on the show. I think you might have hit the nail on the head with the jealously theory. HA HA. :-)
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Hey Bob love that picture! They both look so good!
are they going this year?
As far as I know both women will be in attendance again this year. They really are two of the sweetest ladies one could ever meet. :-)
Go RedSox. ;-)
Bob
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1897 isn't my favorite storyline, but contains many of my favorite characters and moments. Magda, Count Petofi, Judith, Trask, Evan, Pans/ity, and of course QUENTIN especially early on when he's being a capricious, self-absorbed, utter rogue--and a damned sexy one at that.
Seeing Tim Shaw when he comes back all gussied up is a special treat for us Don Briscoe fans. Diana Millay has a superbly chilly turn as a new Laura with a strange link to the occult of Egypt, Even the dreadful Roger Davis manages some fun moments as a psycho vamp on a mission.
And I thought KLS as Kitty was the best work by far she did on the show. The only thing that compares is her very early weeks as Maggie in 1966.
Doubt she'll see it, but note to Miss Winthrop: Angelique wanted to marry Quentin because her Dark Master had promised her that if she could win the love of a mortal man, she would be released from the world of darkness (or something like that). She explains it in one scene with Barnabas towards the end of the storyline. It's an interesting time because she is with Barnabas but her emotional focus lies elsewhere.
I also love it when Julia goes back. They just waited way too long for that to happen! DC should have shelled out for at least ONE split-screen scene between Julia and Magda! I can just imagine the salty banter the two women would exchange.
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Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob, Bob....you have this to say:
"As far as Donna McKechnie goes, I also enjoyed her performance on the show. I think you might have hit the nail on the head with the jealously theory. HA HA"
And I have this to say:
PFFFFT :)
Seriously, though, I could not stand her from the git go, when she showed up with Tim Shaw. (Spoilers ahead) -
All that Di-A-MONDS Tim crap of hers. I stand by my assessment of her as a mewling, opportunistic slut. Women like that are disgusting - and, remember, I was raised in a time when some mothers (like mine) encouraged that dumb down and bat your eyes bull. Make yourself look like a fool to get the goods. Blech.
Nancy
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Maybe there's a little jealousy/outrage going on here over the fact that Quentin fell for Amanda and not someone else you would have preferred more?
ANGELIQUE;)
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I just don't understand all the animosity towards Amanda Harris. Granted she didn't have the strongest character on the series but plenty of others were equally weak if not more so. As for her acting, I thought she was just fine, if not quite good. I can think of so many other actors who were so much worse: Lee Beery (Joanna Mills), Kathy Cody (Hallie Stokes), Betsy Durkin; I would argue even that Donna Wandrey (Roxanne) and Diana Millay (Laura) were worse actors.
Maybe there's a little jealousy/outrage going on here over the fact that Quentin fell for Amanda and not someone else you would have preferred more?
it has nothing to do with Quentin or the other actors
you mentioned i have nothing against her just don't enjoy her acting and don't think she would be any better in a strong role and sorry find her voice as annoying as Hallie's and Jeff Clark. she makes me run from the room!
If someone else likes her acting that is wonderful. Lee Beery was awful also and all the others you mentioned
just put her in the same category!My daughter gets so mad that i don't like some of her music! LOL it is all opinion! wait till she arrives!She is also on longer than the Icky Vicki isn't she?
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Maybe there's a little jealousy/outrage going on here over the fact that Quentin fell for Amanda and not someone else you would have preferred more?
No, I don't think so--I speak here for me only, of course. The whole Amanda character/plot is terribly weak. Not much if any setup, the romance makes little sense in terms of Quentin's established character. The character of Amanda is so shallow you can see through poor Donna McKechnie. And she's part of one of the more idiotic of the DS storylines. Oh, and she has very, bad hair ;) (and yes, yes, I am very shallow)
Luciaphil