DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '10 I => Topic started by: Mysterious Benefactor on May 09, 2010, 05:52:00 AM
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As we celebrate Mother's Day 2010, let's not forget to celebrate some of the DS examples of motherhood:
The long-suffering mother:[spoiler](http://www.dsboards.com/images/mom-1.jpg)
Elizabeth Collins Stoddard[/spoiler]
The not exactly supportive mother:[spoiler](http://www.dsboards.com/images/mom-2.jpg)
Minerva Trask[/spoiler]
The deceitful mother:[spoiler](http://www.dsboards.com/images/mom-4.jpg)
Samantha Drew Collins[/spoiler]
The overly-affectionate mother:[spoiler](http://www.dsboards.com/images/mom-3.jpg)
Forster Mom - Megan Todd[/spoiler]
And that epitome of motherhood - the mother of all mothers:[spoiler](http://www.dsboards.com/images/mom-5.jpg)
Laura Murdoch Collins[/spoiler]
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Ha ha ha, what a wonderful post!
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The insane mother:
[spoiler](http://www.collinsport.sarawebsite.com/picsrandom/004.jpg)
Babies?[/spoiler]
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Great MB! THANKS! :)
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All wonderful examples!!
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MB darling, this is FABULOUS! and you know I adore Sara's addition! Jenny rocks!
I think one of my favorite Mother's Day scenes in DS is from 1897 when Laura and Minerva are musing together on the joys of Motherhood. The subtext just makes this absolutely hysterical! In fact I may need to go home tonight and play that episode again.
Julia very quietly mourning over "poor Motherless Eve" (which came from a very obscure poem some well-read fan tracked down) gets an honorable mention.
G.
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Wonderful post, Mysterious Benefactor! [thumb] [clap]
And let's not forget the kind, gentle and loving Naomi Collins; a wonderful woman and mother who not only lost her two beloved children, but also had to put up for far too many years with a crabbed and callous husband and his insufferable, officious and oh-so-frustrated sister/shrew.
Clearly, poor Naomi did her time in Purgatory while she was still here on Earth. [angel5]
PS Maybe it's just as well that Judith Collins-Trask was never "blessed" with children? [yikes] [ghost_rolleyes]
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Good to see you posting more Bob! :)
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Now wouldn't that have made a fabulous story-line if Judith and Gregory had had a child! Judith giving birth while Gregory is rotting away up in the attic [ghost_grin]
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That's a lovely collection, MB, and a very nice addition by Sara Monster.
As for Judith...my recollection is that Trask had his way with her so quickly that there was no time for anything that might lead to conception. I'd say Judith had a lot to be thankful for.
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Could Judith had been a mother? I was under the impression she was of the age where she would have already went through menopause?
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trying to determine the ages of the characters during the time travel storylines will drive you bananas(and often starts an argument to boot).
total suspension of disbelief is in order.
during 1795 joan bennet's naomi collins was simultaneously old enough to have given birth to a man in his forties and young enough to have a daughter who was ten(to say nothing of the unfeasible age gap between the siblings).
in 1897 her character judith had a brother who was thirty years younger than she was.
go figure. [ghost_blink]
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during 1795 joan bennet's naomi collins was simultaneously old enough to have given birth to a man in his forties and young enough to have a daughter who was ten
But then in 1795, Barnabas was only suppose to be 25 [ghost_rolleyes] ..so I'm gonna assume he was a heavy smoker/sunbather for his first 20 years.
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sort of my point...bananas. then the argument. [ghost_blink]
i'm not sure where you're getting 25. i don't recall barnabas' age ever coming up in specifics.
besides vampires don't age. so if barnabas was 25 in 1795 then he was 25 in 1967-71 and that's definitely not how the character was written or played. he was the proverbial "distinguished older gentleman".
like i said total suspension of disbelief is needed during the time travel stuff.
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Barnabas's age wasn't mentioned, but I believe it was stated that he was born in 1770, which would make him 25 in 1795. Maybe Angelique really wore him out in Martinique.
I don't think any of Judith's brothers were 30 years younger than she, since I don't think Judith was as old in 1897 as Joan Bennett was at the time of playing her. (If so, then how old was Grandmama? And why didn't we see Baby Judith in 1840?) I think Judith probably was still capable of conceiving in 1897, because if she were not, I'm betting she would have felt she must disclose that to Trask when he proposed to her. Wouldn't that have been a touching scene for daytime drama!
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Yep the Parallel Time Barnabas was born in 1770 as it shows is grave marker so yes he was supposed to be 25! MS....I wasn't thinking about Naomi. Yeah that is baffling as well! Joan was 57 in 1967 so lets say Naomi was 57 as well. It is possible for women to have children at 47 as we have seen with John Travolta's wife. So perhaps Sarah was change of life baby.
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It is possible for women to have children at 47 as we have seen with John Travolta's wife. So perhaps Sarah was change of life baby.
13 October 1962, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA , Kellly Preston was born, she married
John Travolta (12 September 1991 -Her first child with John Travolta, son Jett Travolta, was born 13 April 1992. Kelly would have been only 30
John is eight years her senior.
I hope you don't mind.
But there are children born later in life.
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Yep the Parallel Time Barnabas was born in 1770 as it shows is grave marker so yes he was supposed to be 25!
simply astounding!
barnabas collins was supposed to be 25 old??? younger than willie loomis. younger than burke devlin. younger than angelique.
just a scad older than vicki,carolyn and maggie.
i always see barnabas as peer to roger,julia and professor stokes. not whippersnappers like joe haskel and jeff clark.
this is too much to be believed. [ghost_wacko]
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i always see barnabas as peer to roger,julia and professor stokes. not whippersnappers like joe haskel and jeff clark.
I agree with you as regards the 1960s, but I'll always been impressed with how Jonathan Frid gave the pre-vampire Barnabas of 1795 a very youthful demeanor, even though physically he didn't look that young.
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true lydia but remember vampires don't age so whatever age he was when angelique placed the curse on him was the age he stayed forever.
so while the writers might have wanted a "young" barnabas for the 1795 storyline they sort of tossed both continuity(he was not a young man when willie let him out of the coffin in 67)and authenticity(if such a word can accurately be used to describe a fictitious creature)out the window.
like i said this subject will drive one bananas.
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13 October 1962, Honolulu, Hawaii, USA , Kellly Preston was born, she married John Travolta (12 September 1991 -Her first child with John Travolta, son Jett Travolta, was born 13 April 1992. Kelly would have been only 30 John is eight years her senior.
Taeylor was probably referencing the couple's announcement within the past week or so that they are expecting another child. [ghost_wink]
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the writers might have wanted a "young" barnabas for the 1795 storyline
Even before the year Barnabas was born was revealed, I remember reading articles in which Frid commented about how much fun he thought it was playing Barnabas as a youth in 1795. At first I found the comments very odd - but then I thought back to the way Joshua treated Barnabas in Ep #368_369 (browbeating Barnabas over his worry for Josette because her arrival was two weeks overdue, belittling the concept of love, and declaring that a woman isn't a future) and the way Barnabas reacted to Joshua. It certainly wasn't the way a 40-something-year-old would react to his father - not even an overbearing father such as Joshua. And the fact that Jeremiah and Barnabas were supposedly the same age definitely made Jeremiah and Joshua's relationship make more sense. And with realizations such as that, I really began to question not only how old Barnabas was actually supposed to be when he was cursed but, indeed, how old, say, Julia was actually supposed to be because quite obviously the age of the actors seemed to have little to no bearing on how old their characters were supposed to be...
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Barnabas played youthful Barnabas so well that I never saw him as middle-aged in 1795, though he seems at least 30. Vampires never appear to age during the vampire's life, after the change, but maybe dying and becoming undead takes its toll. And really, 1795 is made up of continuity errors. This one helps the series so I'm not complaining.
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Sorry for the mistake earlier, I guess I don't keep track of Hollywood stuff. I with them both well.
As to Barnabas being so young, it does make thing easier to grasp, also his looking to the young girls of the show.
But I think with all the suffering he experienced, that might appear to age him. But DS didn't really pay attention to
ages. Especially when they went into the past and they had to make the characters have to fit into a story line.
I wonder if a youthfull Barnabas would have made the story different?
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I'm in the 1897 story now:
Granmama was in her 90's when she died. (this would make her in 40's when crawford played her. in the 1840 storyline the children were hardly ever shown -- Edith and Gabriel has some kids who were always mentioned being in the background, if i remember correctly -- who would they be?)
Judith was the older sister of all of them, no? her old maid status was what kept her from running the show. Who were their parents.
Barnabas mentioned (and i don't recall the episode [ghost_blink]) about laura coming to Collinwood when he was merely 10 years old, and he states a year. it's the episode when he finds her portrait.
yes, this is driving me bananas now!
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In Ep #739 Barn mentions first seeing Laura when he was a child of 10, but I don't believe he mentions a year. He also describes Laura as being a "beautiful woman," which is very interesting considering that when Barn was 10 Jeremiah was supposedly also 10. Apparently either Jeremiah married an older woman, or the writers were playing fast and loose with Jeremiah's age again, once again making him older than Barn, but apparently not as old as the very old man Jeremiah supposedly was during the original backstory of Jeremiah and Josette pre-1795...
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Sorry I didn't make it clear about Kelly Preston. I am on websites pretty much daily that has to do with celebrities. I love movie, TV, music news so I tend to keep up with all that. However, I happend to hear that in passing on Inside Edition.