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General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '09 II => Topic started by: Watching Project on September 21, 2009, 09:58:26 PM
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Robservations #853
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Today we get the many loves of Barnabas Collins. Angelique's line, "She reminds me of someone I loathe." In the present tense even though Cosette is a hundred years dead. Does that mean that her pursuit of Barnabas is more out of hatred for Cosette than actual love of Barnabas? She appears to be over Barnabas but not her hated for Cosette.
Then there is her scene with Julia where they appear almost friendly, but Angelique must realize that Barnabas would never be interested in someone Julia's age or with her capabilities.
Is Angelique behind the apparent possession of Kitty? It seems to make her more appealing to Edward. Are the writers giving acknowledgement to the boys Jamison's age who had a crush on KLS?
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Angelique's line, "She reminds me of someone I loathe." In the present tense even though Cosette is a hundred years dead.
Josette has been dead about a hundred years at this point in time, but I don't think you can use the linear passing of time when discussing Angelique's memories. From what we've seen so far, Angelique has not spent much time on earth since Josette's death, and that includes the time she came and went as a ghost during Vicki's trial, her time as Cassandra and existence as a vampire, and the brief time she spent after that in 1796 before Ben got rid of her. Through the rest of her existence post-1795, and up until Evan and Quentin summoned her out of the fire (notwithstanding the revelations of 1840), Angelique has been in hell. Does time pass in hell?!?
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Does time pass in hell?!?
I'm sure the time just flies by!
Good point about Ang's experienced time, though by 1897 she certainly sounds worldly and seasoned by life. She talks about she and Barnabas encountering each other in different eras in epic terms, hard to avoid maybe, when jumping around amongst centuries, except that not much time seems to have passed for her personally, except maybe in Hell.
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I've been thinking about the way Angelique behaves in 1897 and it seems that [spoiler]she could be the Angelique of the Leviation time where she has moved on[/spoiler] This to me would explain her change in attiude towards Barnabas and her involvement with Quentin.
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That sounds good in theory, but it doesn't explain why
[spoiler]Angelique bought Q's portrait in 1969. She said that she bought it to remind her of Quentin and Barnabas, and how could it remind her of Q if she hadn't even been to 1897?[/spoiler]
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I've been thinking about the way Angelique behaves in 1897 and it seems that [spoiler]she could be the Angelique of the Leviation time where she has moved on[/spoiler] This to me would explain her change in attiude towards Barnabas and her involvement with Quentin.
I'm with fanforever on Angelique's chronology, but I also think your example is evidence that she [spoiler]takes a bit of a shortcut between the last sighting of her in 1897 and her reappearance during the Leviathan story.[/spoiler]
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That's interesting that she buys that. I don't recall that purchase as I have only seen some of 1841 parallel time and some of the Leviathon since fourty years ago. My theory would give the writers more credit than they seem capable of anyway. One would have to assume there was a long term plan for the show.
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Though she didn't buy it; it was given to her [spoiler]as a wedding present from Sky.[/spoiler]
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Only because
[spoiler]she insisted on staring at it for hours on end every spare moment she had! It wasn't as if Sky had decided, "Oh, this seems like a nice painting for Angelique . . ."[/spoiler]
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Well, she is a puppeteer.
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And Sky is wooden.
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[pointing-up] [stfl] [thumb]
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Didn't Geoffrey Scott beat out the drawing-room doors for Most Wooden Performance in the entire history of DS in a certain competition?
Some of the day players were pretty wooden. Remember that hapless mortician who called one day and asked to see Mr. Jonathan?
G.
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And Sky is wooden.
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I loved how Angelique said that Kitty reminded her of someone she loathed...the way she said it she sounded like that for that reason alone, she had a right to be rude to Kitty. She probably did believe that too.
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I have real trouble with Julia saying that she likes Angelique. I can only figure that Julia is firmly putting out of her mind all of her previous encounters with Angelique because she's got to stay on Angelique's good side. And, of course, it's easier for Julia to do that because Angelique has given up on Barnabas and is planning to marry Quentin. Julia knows, therefore, that Quentin has dissolved his relationship with Amanda. How did Julia explain to Angelique that she welcomed Amanda into her house knowing that Quentin was planning to run off with Amanda?
A new ring for a new life. Sounds familiar. Is Quentin feeling feminine today? The ring gave us a good look at David Selby's hands, which always seem to me as though they're attached to the wrong body. They should be long and lean, like Selby himself, but instead they're soft and stubby.
So Edward likes John Donne? Donne sounds awfully intellectual for Edward. I would think he would prefer Tennyson.
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I don't think that Julia let Angelique know about her helping out Amanda and Quentin. She knows how vindictive and vengeful Angelique can be and to tell her this, well, knowing Angelique...she would have thrown a fit about it and refuse to go on with their plans, and maybe even decide to throw in with Petofi.
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Major Milestones: [milestone]
1. Kitty called Edward Joshua and acted like Josette at Jeremiah's grave. Also, she suspected that Barnabas was alive and that Julia was holding him hostage.
2. Angelique and Julia were working together!
3. Angelique admitted to Julia that she was frightened of Count Petofi's hand. Later, she covered her fear beautifully by threatening CP that she might cause King Johnny to appear.
4. Count Petofi caused Quentin to go to sleep (go into a trance?) and put his ring on Quentin's finger.
In the opening teaser, Kitty made similar mannerisms that she made at the end of the last episode, and there was no fly this time. So the fly did not make her touch her face! [snow_wink]
I loved the scene between Julia and Angelique. They were working together to help a man that they both loved. Angelique actually confided her feelings to Julia when she admitted her fear of Count Petofi! Julia's hair was really pretty in this episode. That was a big step.
Lydia, I noticed how feminine Quentin's hands looked, too. [snow_smiley]
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