DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '02 II => Topic started by: Perankh on July 15, 2002, 11:02:06 AM
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Well, i am a newbie, so this is my first time seeing these episodes. I have to be totally honest that i have been rather bored with the adam storyline. It doesn't do much for me at all. I was so happy to see angelique return - her presence was needed to spice things up a bit. And now with Joe as the next victim - this is getting very exciting. I think joel crother's last appearance is in 68, no? He was on track to marry maggie - so either they must have a big break up fight, or he dies.
it is too frankenstein for me - yuck
BTW - dont spoil anything for me if u can ;D
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Well, i am a newbie, so this is my first time seeing these episodes. I have to be totally honest that i have been rather bored with the adam storyline. It doesn't do much for me at all.
Me neither. Never liked it during its original run and I'm not watching it now. Yuck is right.
But then, my daughter is starting to watch some of the shows for the first time, and she LIKES Adam.
Go figure.
-CLC ?!?
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I liked the concept of Adam, but once Nicholas gets his claws into him, the big guy changes into a person I don't much like.
We're heading into my favorite portion of this storyline now, with Ang's fangs at the ready! This, IMHO, is what makes this storyline appealing. No male is safe!
Love, Robin
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cool to know that there are other night owls around:)
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We're heading into my favorite portion of this storyline now, with Ang's fangs at the ready! This, IMHO, is what makes this storyline appealing. No male is safe!
Love, Robin
Yep, I certainly agree...Good stuff coming up and you definitley will not fall asleep! :o
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I found Adam totally irritating at first, but I warmed to the story when they were exploring his relationship towards Carolyn. I think it's already come out in the story that Adam has demanded a mate - I think the episodes regarding that are really bottom of the barrel stuff. The intro of Tom Jennings was a much need shot in the arm (or bite in the neck) at this point, but I think they eventually short shrift his story and don't develop the character or situation as fully as could have been done.
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I used to hate Adam with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns, but this time around I found myself much more sympathetic to the character.
Until about now. And basically I spend much of the rest of this storyline wishing I could just slap all of these people upside the head, very, very hard ;)
There are some bright spots, however. Always did like Marie Wallace and HAA usually does a great job with the crap they gave him to say and do.
Could do without the moronic writing, however.
Luciaphil
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I think it's a mixed bag. On the one hand you get things like Tom Jennings (pardon me while I drool), that creepy Leona Eltridge, the fabulous, glamorous, diVOON Marie Wallace, and let's not forget some marvelous Barnabas/Julia moments. Prof. Stokes has some great scenes, too, and Angelique is just so deliciously OUT THERE as a vampire. And presiding gloatingly over it all is the sinisters, insidious, devilishly smarmy Nicholas Blair, one of my fave characters in DS history!
On the other hand ... Liz is away, Roger barely exists, way too much Jeff & Vicki, and Adam gets reduced to the level of a Mafia hit man (I'm charitably assumign that the writers were simply baffled by what to do with his character). At this point I cringe whenever Adam or Jeff enters the scene--no, that's not quite true, at ANY point I cringe whenever a Roger Davis character is onscreen.
But to me, all of DS is like this. There are weak spots in all the major storylines IMO.
Gothick
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I used to hate Adam with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns, but this time around I found myself much more sympathetic to the character.
I think Adam is very sympathetic in the beginning. The way they wrote his initial relationship with Barnabas and then his feelings for Carolyn is very well done. But then Nicholas gets ahold of him and it's all downhill from there as Adam gets turned into a one note character whose only purpose on the show seems to be to threaten Vicki and the Collins family over and over and over again! He has a few more good scenes with Carolyn coming up, but other than those it's best to turn the volume down whenever he's speaking! [lghy]
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I think joel crother's last appearance is in 68, no? He was on track to marry maggie - so either they must have a big break up fight, or he dies.
Perankh:
First off, welcome! :)
If I'm not mistaken, I read somewhere on the boards that Joel Crothers' last appearance was in the early part of '69. He's still has more storyline coming up, but I won't spoil it. ;)
To the general question of the Adam storyline, I like it okay--I certainly don't have the intense hate vibe for it that I'm off other posts.
I think the story builds with enough drama and there are some twists along the way--especially when Nicky Blair gets involved.
And it has the required elements for a Dark Shadows storyline: it's romantic, gothic & creepy--all wrapped up in a dark little package.
But that's just me.
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This is the second time I've seen the Adam story line. I didn't care much for it the first time around. The Frankenstein rip-off just seems really childish. I have to admit though that during this second viewing I've grown more appreciative of Robert Rodan's portrayal of Adam.
I think this post-1795/pre-1897 story line is most interesting for the new characters it establishes. There's been a gradual shift in the focus of the series since the beginning when Victoria Winters, Elizabeth Stoddard and Roger Collins were the 'stars.' Now, of course, Barnabas is the focus of the series. Several key players leave the show during this period and new actors are brought in to take up the slack. Nicholas Blair, the Jennings family and "Eve" are all excellent additions to the cast.
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But can ya see the production planning meeting:
'Well, we had lots of good ratings with the Dracula rip-off, how 'bout FRANKENSTIEN?? '
'Yeah, then we can do BRIDE OF FRANKIE, SON OF FRANKIE [see 'terrifying' topic!!!], FRANKIE MEETS WOLFMAN, FRANKIE MEETS ELVIS AND COSTELLO......'
just a thought...
Ringo [jester]
but they never got around to THE MUMMY [coulda got the kid from Lost in Space]
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but they never got around to THE MUMMY [coulda got the kid from Lost in Space]
Ringo, get a grip! Now that's would have been just toooo silly! ;)
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Adam is my number 1 irritating character. The pity of it is that I LIKE Robert Rodan, I think he did a great job and deserved far more than I got with this puky character. I really wish they would have used him for another part in the future when appropriate, but no.
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I really wish they would have used him for another part in the future when appropriate, but no.
Think of how much more interesting, say, Sky Rumson might have been had Robert Rodan been cast instead of the blank piece of cardboard who got the part... [wink2]
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Think of how much more interesting, say, Sky Rumson might have been had Robert Rodan been cast instead of the blank piece of cardboard who got the part... [wink2]
After meeting Mr. Rodan and having the pleasure of his company during the Festival Banquet, I agree with you 100% on this comment. He shared with all at the table how & why he wanted very much to create a unique monster personality for the character of Adam. He definitely would have brought more life to Sky Rumson.
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I think this TL is interesting, but then again I'm viewing it for the first time. I loove the aspect of Carolyn/Adam relationship, but then again, I think Carolyn and anyone are completely adorable ;D ::) Angie was never one of my fav chars :P but now seeing her with Nicholas, whom I adooore, I think they're absolutely hysterical! I love them! But earlier ... omg with Lang and that EVIL TAPE RECORDER FROM HELL!!! ... *bolts, screaming, out of room* THAT was painful!!! * physically winces* What the TL is developing into right now I like very much, but the early days of Adam were .... erhm .. not my favorite. But I think Robert Rodan is a really great actor, and that sux he was never used again. I guess those scars on his face stayed permanant [i.e., he was typecast as a villian], but then again, I have no idea who Skye Rumsin is. Sounds like a kewl name, though! But, same as with Jane Draper [SUUUKIII!!] I wish he'd been used again. *le sigh* :-/
lol oh yeah, Welcome Perankh! [hello]
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I don't like the whole idea of a Man Created Man. I do like the whole Nicholas Blair and Angelique thing. Things are way more interesting with Nicholas Blair. And with Angelique {POSSIBLE SPOILER} returning as a Vampire.
I just can't wait till Beth and Quentin's arrival, and the 1897 Storyline.
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but they never got around to THE MUMMY [coulda got the kid from Lost in Space]
No, but they came pretty close to it with the ghost of Jeremiah and that awful torn up bandage he always wore. ;)
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On the one hand you get things like Tom Jennings (pardon me while I drool
is he in the montage? :)
Which one is he?;)
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is he in the montage? :)
Which one is he?;)
Tom Jennings is the hunk, who was Nicholas Blair's handyman and Angelique's first victim. Don Briscoe was the actor who played the role of both Tom and also Chris Jennings.
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montage is gone :'(
I guess i will know soon enough though:)
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Think of how much more interesting, say, Sky Rumson might have been had Robert Rodan been cast instead of the blank piece of cardboard who got the part... [wink2]
A very good point to make! Although I, too, am getting a bit tired of the Adam storyline, I have always felt that Adam's combination of brute strength and childlike vulnerability made a character you can't help feeling for. All in all, given the limitations of the Adam character and storyline, I think Robert Rodan did a fine job in creating a very human "monster".
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Perhank if that is your picture you are really hot!! Sorry for the possibly unwelcome mention but I had to say that!
As for the Adam storyline, this is when the show started to undo itself. This isn't really a spoiler but when you see Angelique in her flowing filmy green nightgown once, be prepared to see her only in that awful looking thing for MONTHS. You would think the fashion dept. would have put a beautiful blonde vampiress in something black and slinky but noooooo.....
Ron Sproat is the writer who created the Angelique character for the 1795 flashback and eventually he quits the show in late 1968(during the Adam era) because he gets tired of writing about man made monsters, evil women in nightgowns(there is another one to come) and not focusing on the Collins family and Collinwood. The show rectifies this somewhat with the Quentin/Amy/David storyline but I won't give you details. Just be prepared to watch patiently.
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montage is gone :'(
I guess i will know soon enough though:)
there is a 'grab' of Briscoe in todays robservations!
[doubble entendre intended] ;D
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A belated welcome to you, Perankh! It's always wonderful to see another 'cousin' arrive.
The Adam storyline has never been a favorite of mine. Compared to the rest of the series, it's very boring and weak where plot, dialogue, and creativity are concerned. I agree with you that it relies too heavily on Frankenstein for its inspiration. While I've enjoyed watching and re-watching the classic Universal monster movies since I was ten, I was never able to work up much enthusiasm for the Frankenstein films (and unfortunately, that's the longest series.) The idea of a man-made human being is so much less mystical than ghosts, shape-shifters, or vampires. Coming to this after the quality and excitement of 1795 only heightens my disappointment. Looking at some of the ideas that DS uses in the future, I do think that the writers could have tried a little harder here.
However, there are some nice aspects to it: the introductions of Professor Stokes and Nicholas Blair, Angelique's aging scenes. I do think that bringing in Adam was an interesting way for the writers to deal with Barnabas's 'affliction' and his evolving character.
Actually, watching this the second time around hasn't been as painful as I'd anticipated. I think I've gained a greater respect for Robert Rodan's acting, particularly during Adam's early stages. It must have been difficult to create a plausible character using only hand gestures and facial expressions, but he pulled it off very well. In fact, I think Adam is a more human and sympathetic character than even Karloff's creature. If it came down to whether or not I would watch this storyline a third time though, I think I would stick only to selected episodes and Robservations.
ProfStokes
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No, but they came pretty close to it with the ghost of Jeremiah and that awful torn up bandage he always wore. ;)
Hey, that's right, Cass! LOL! And another thing . . .
(possible spoilers) . . .
didn't we eventually see the mummified remains of a certain couple in the 1841 story line? I think Amanda and Brutus from the 1600's but I'm not sure.
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Perhank if that is your picture you are really hot!! Sorry for the possibly unwelcome mention but I had to say that
I wish that was me ;D - no that is Alejandro Sanz a singer/songwriter from Spain. I too think he is delicious ;)
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I have to be totally honest that i have been rather bored with the adam storyline. It doesn't do much for me at all.
Some of it is boring, but it's better now. My favorite part of this storyline is Harry Johnson (Craig Slocum). I watch his scenes again and again. :-*