DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '09 I => Topic started by: Watching Project on January 08, 2009, 09:09:44 PM
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Robservations #704
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It didn't take Barnabas long to head for the docks.
That was fast thinking on Barnabas's part, to come up with a reason why Quentin wouldn't have been able to find any Collinwood-descended Collinses in England. In 1967, Barnabas told Elizabeth that he was the last of the English branch, but today he gave Quentin the impression that there were dozens of English Collinses, all busily hiding from the American black sheep.
So there's a portrait of Joshua? I don't think we ever see it, do we? It seems wrong that the portrait of the man who had Collinwood built should be hidden away in the west wing while the portrait of the man who (or so the story goes) left Collinwood forever is giving the star position in the foyer, but maybe the portrait of Joshua didn't come out very well, or maybe Daniel couldn't stand the sight of it and banished it to the west wing.
I liked Edith's little bit of temper with Judith over the blanket. It was a nice economical indication of what Judith has put up with.
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In the present time, Joshua's portrait is in the Drawing Room.
Jeremiah's is still over the fireplace in 1897 right? Interesting that though he went from the former Collins family direct ancestor and builder of Collinwood to a second cousin of new direct ancestor Daniel Collins (and died childless), his portrait still hangs in the same place in the present time.
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Later on, after Judith takes over as Mistress of Collinwood, you can see a lot of Edith in her. Judith learned from the master in how to give orders.
I liked Barnabas' shot at Quentin on his reputation. Serves Quentin right for putting that sword against Barnabas' throat. But then, Magda did sort of put it in his head with her prediction about a mysterious, troublemaking stranger arriving on the scene.
Like it or not, Barnabas is still a vampire and that bloodlust of his will get the best of him time and again. I hate that poor Sophie had to be his first victim, though. It certainly wasn't her evening with men.
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In the present time, Joshua's portrait is in the Drawing Room.
Is it indeed? Would that be the portrait on the right as you enter the drawing room? (Yeah, I know, the information is here in the Forum somewhere.)
Later on, after Judith takes over as Mistress of Collinwood, you can see a lot of Edith in her. Judith learned from the master in how to give orders.
I've been thinking in the past couple of days that it's Quentin who is similar to Edith. They both have great charm, and they both are determined to get their own way.
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Joshua's portrait is on the wall next to the Drawing Room window, on the side close to the camera.
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I think Sophie Baker/Barnes is super annoying.
In the present time, Joshua's portrait is in the Drawing Room.
Do you mean the portrait that looks a heck of a lot like Edmonds' Joshua in profile? The one I'm thinking of is small compared to the others, is in an ornate frame, and moves around the house during the series-- in 1966 it's at the far right of the drawing room (by the booze), later it's by the drawing room window, and at some point it can also be seen by the doors to the house ... though I don't think we see it in 1897. Fans have often referred to it as Joshua's portrait due to the resemblance, but I haven't been able to pinpoint the scene where you've said (at another time) that Barnabas says it's Joshua. And it was not part of Liz's list as she swept around the room pointing at her ancestors ("Isaac, Jeremiah, Theodore, Benjamin"). Interestingly, we can actually pinpoint who originally sat for the portrait I described thanks to Selby D. Pearson and Louis Edmonds.
Jeremiah's is still over the fireplace in 1897 right? Interesting that though he went from the former Collins family direct ancestor and builder of Collinwood to a second cousin of new direct ancestor Daniel Collins (and died childless), his portrait still hangs in the same place in the present time.
Isaac is above the fireplace in 1897.
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While on the subject of Collins portraits (sometimes I can't help myself [rleyeg]), there's a large one in the foyer that Roger tells the Sheriff in an early ep is his great uncle. It's the one that Vicki says "boo" to in a very early ep, and in 1897 it's hanging in the same spot between the drawing room doors and the door under the stairs. Hmm, but didn't making him Roger's great uncle mean that not only should he not be hanging anywhere in 1897, but that he should also be another sibling to Judith, Edward, et al? [snow_huh]
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Yes, Roger did say it was his great-uncle Benjamin. But Roger wasn't as well-versed in Collins family history as Elizabeth, so maybe if Liz had been around she would have corrected him.
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Ha, you're probably right about Liz!
Sheriff Patterson guessed that that since it was Roger's great uncle, it must've been a portrait of Benjamin (which was weird), and I think Roger just looked annoyed. So he didn't confirm or deny that it was his name.
The portraits in the drawing room during 1897 are, left to right, Jeremiah, the one we nicknamed Leonardo, Isaac, Theodore and Benjamin-- who looks nothing like the guy in the foyer.
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Without that information, I'd have just thought the paintings came with the house, you know, like photos sometimes come with wallets...
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Sheriff Patterson guessed that that since it was Roger's great uncle, it must've been a portrait of Benjamin (which was weird), and I think Roger just looked annoyed. So he didn't confirm or deny that it was his name.
I had forgotten that. Maybe Benjamin was a Quentin-like character, and Sheriff Patterson had read about him in old police logs.
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Are we all pretending that we don't notice Petofi's box on the drawing room fireplace? [snow_wink]
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Benjamin & Theodore could have been Edith's sons.
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Are we all pretending that we don't notice Petofi's box on the drawing room fireplace?
I noticed it in episode 703, and have been meaning for the past week to throw a note about it in the Prop Project topic for the box, but I keep forgetting.[Lydia scurries off to do it before she forgets yet again.]
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Are we all pretending that we don't notice Petofi's box on the drawing room fireplace?
I noticed! It's fun to find the box in different parts of the house before it was Petofi's box! IIRC, it was even there in 1966! [snow_wink]
So, Sophie was Barnabas's first female victim in 1897. [milestone] Poor Sophie was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Barnabas tried as hard as he could to avoid biting her; but when she failed to see his reflection in her mirror, it was curtains for her. [snow_shocked]
Beth was really good at keeping secrets from Quentin. I enjoyed watching the scenes when Quentin caught her taking food upstairs. [snow_cheesy]
Barnabas found out more information in this episode - from Beth. He found out about Nora but not about "another child". I like how Barnabas slowly got more pieces to the puzzle as the 1897 storyline progressed. [snow_happy]
Judith was being a nice granddaughter to Edith. I suspect her motives may not have been totally pure, however. She may not have shown it, but I'm sure she wanted the money, too. [snow_greedy] Quentin, on the other hand, although he was very handsome, was horrible to "Grandmama" - threatening to kill her if she didn't tell him the secret! Shame on him! [snow_sad] It's a good thing he was very easy on the eyes! [luv]
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[snow_bigglass] [hippy2]
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So Grandmamamama would have something nice to look at while her trachea gets crushed?!
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Good one, Magnus! [snow_laugh]
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[snow_bigglass] [hippy2]
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Barnabas sure seemed to have been rattled by his encounter with Quentin and the sword. When he leaves the house and sees Beth in the woods, he bounces out at her and calls her name like they're old friends. I guess he forgot they never met before, and that having a strange man bounce out at her in the woods at night might not be the best way to gain her confidence. And if he thought she was one of the family, why did he use her first name? Terribly informal and borderline rude for the Victorians. And this from a guy who is usually OVERLY formal. It sounds for all the world like he's trying to pick her up.
And IluvBarnabas: I think both Quentin AND Judith take after Edith. The sense I get is that Judith and Quentin are a lot more alike than it first appears.
Nice character revelations in the scenes with Grandmamama and Judith.
And I think they missed a chance for one at the end of the scene in the foyer with Beth going up the stairs. After she bested him, and lifted her skirts to climb the stairs, I thought for SURE he'd be ogling her ankles. [snow_wink]
Jeannie