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Title: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Watching Project on January 06, 2009, 09:08:56 PM

Quote from: ROBINV on October 23, 2002, 09:43:06 PM

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Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Lydia on January 07, 2009, 09:52:49 AM

Pure viewing enjoyment in this episode.
 
I always enjoy Quentin's response when Judith offers him the $1,000, or even $1,500, to get out.  Poor thing, she has scrimped and saved for who knows how long to put together that $1,000 - and to Quentin it's nothing.
 
I saw eight spikes to Barnabas's bangs and side hair today, looking at him from the side.  Symmetry demands that there would be four more on the other side, so that makes a round dozen.  Or maybe a spiked dozen.  At any rate, he was resplendent with spikes today.
 
I loved Judith's pink dress.  Judith got a lot of nice dresses, as far as I can remember, and I'm looking forward to seeing them.

It had to have been fun for Jonathan Frid, Grayson Hall, and Thayer David to play the scene in the Old House today.  Two episodes ago they were Barnabas, Julia, and Stokes - modern and civilized.  Today they were a vampire and two freeloading gypsies.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: michael c on January 07, 2009, 01:13:03 PM

i'm really on the fence with 1897...

i'm watching the quentin storyline which means 1897 is coming up fast.i always like to have a storyline going to watch when i have some down time or need some visual comfort food.

however 1897 is sooo long and unweildy i'm not sure i can commit to it again right now.

should i go back and watch laura collins or jump ahead and do leviathan or parallel-time?decisions. [snow_undecided]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: IluvBarnabas on January 07, 2009, 02:32:03 PM

I love watching Quentin and Judith battling it out, as well as him and Edward. Quentin's hostile relationships with his siblings are just one of many aspects I enjoy about 1897.

Also loved Quentin's interaction with Jamison. We get insight into their relationship and understand why Quentin's spirit was so obsessed with David.

Also loved Magda's attitude towards Barnabas. I can understand why she was so upset with him bossing her and Sandor around. She and Sandor WERE given permission to live there and now here comes this stranger saying where one could sleep and where one couldn't, what they could and could not do when in her eyes, he had no right.

I'll say it again. I love 1897!

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Lydia on January 07, 2009, 05:33:57 PM

mscbryk, here's a suggestion: watch 1897 through the end of[spoiler]Laura.[/spoiler]Then watch that character's other appearance, and compare and contrast.  And then write a ten-page essay for us.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on January 08, 2009, 02:57:17 AM

I absolutely love the expression on Grayson Hall's face in this Magda moment from this ep:

(http://www.dsboards.com/images/702-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Sandor on January 08, 2009, 04:31:32 AM

Grrrrreat caption of Magda/Grayson, MB! You could tell by these episodes that Grayson was so ready to sink her teeth into this fun and juicy new role, after much time playing the put-upon Dr. Julia Hoffman. Episodes featuring Magda were always entertaining, but she sure did get manhandled quite a bit throughout 1897 (by Quentin, Barnabas, and later Trask, Petofi and King Johnny among others).

I too am on the fence about committing to the entire 1897 saga, but perhaps it's actually a great time to escape to the past (the 19th century), since the real world seems scarier by comparison.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Midnite on January 08, 2009, 07:24:43 AM

Well said, Sandor.  [snow_kiss]  I'm pretty sure Magda had just been Q-manhandled when the image was captured.

A very cool avatar could be made from that pic.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Gothick on January 09, 2009, 05:18:45 PM

Hey MSC, I would say go back and re-watch Laura '66-'67. 

Having read quite a few of your posts over the years, I think Laura will provide the needed visual comfort food.  Plus, Vicki has some really great scenes throughout!

cheers, G.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Gothick on January 09, 2009, 05:21:58 PM

MB!  You know I SWOON over that capture of Magda! 

I now really understand why Magda was Grayson's all time favorite role on DS.

G.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: MagnusTrask on January 10, 2009, 09:07:52 AM

And I'm not surprised to hear that it was.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: alwaysdavid on January 11, 2009, 10:03:50 PM

Barnabas seemed to enjoy being a vampire again as there was no hand wringing about his condition and he  seemed to relish attacking Sandor with dripping blood about the mouth and threatening Magda. 
The revelation that Quentin and Judith always hated each other and the games they play make one wonder how they grew up.  And just how is Quentin ruining Jamison?   The way that  Grayson Hall  said Vampire was very intense, actually the whole episode has and intense feeling about it.  Except for some excerpts here and there, I have not seen anything beyond  1968 except in the original viewing.  I remember that 1897 seemed to last forever and that I wanted to find out what was happening to the  present day family. [spoiler]Now I know that the story never really focuses on the present day family again[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: MagnusTrask on January 11, 2009, 10:40:48 PM

[spoiler]DS does go back to the present day after 1897.[/spoiler]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: alwaysdavid on January 13, 2009, 02:56:06 AM

[spoiler]but not for long and as I remember the leviaton time was mainly about the boring antique shop and the characters who live at Collinwood never have much to do again [/spoiler]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: EmeraldRose on February 05, 2009, 11:58:45 AM

This was the first time that a male vampire victim was bitten on the neck by a male vampire. [milestone] Too bad we didn't get to see it.

This episode also featured the first appearances of Judith, who looked beautiful in her pink dress and perfectly coiffed hair (pieces); and Jamison, who looked handsome with his slicked-back hair and long robe.  [milestone] It's interesting that in 1897, Edward was the oldest, when in real life, Joan was older than Louis. I agree with others who posted here that it was quite obvious that Quentin and Jamison were very close and it makes sense that the ghost of Quentin would be attracted to David. It was cute when Quentin gave Jamison the boat - a very endearing scene. [snow_happy]

I love Magda! [snow_cheesy] She was such a fun character - a smart cookie who wasn't afraid to speak her mind. The scene at the end, when she pointed at Barnabas and yelled, "Vampire!" was fabulous! [clap2] I think, with the dark makeup and wig, Grayson looked younger than she did when she played Julia. (I think Joan looked younger, too.) I agree with Grayson: Magda is my favorite character that she played on DS. [thumb]

You could tell that Quentin was the "baby" of the family; he was very immature, loved to push people's buttons, and got away with a lot of mischief. [snow_rolleyes] Like Magda, he was also not afraid to speak his mind. Quentin reminds me of a belligerent child. It's so fun to watch! I love his impish grin and his sexy voice. [luv]

----- Sally -----
[santa_cool] [hippy2]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: michael c on February 05, 2009, 09:09:28 PM

quentin was such a wonderfully wicked and complicated character during 1897 it's strange what became of him later.

like many characters on the show he lost alot of his edge en route to popularity.after the storyline returned to the "present" he devolved into just another generic,hand wringing collins(albiet an extremely handsome one).he was never as much fun again. [snow_lipsrsealed]

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: MagnusTrask on February 06, 2009, 01:13:09 AM

Too often, TV thinks it can't have leading characters with real personalities.   I think they believe too few viewers will identify unless they make the lead a bit neutral so that large numbers of viewers can identify, at least a little.   They make them generic, I guess.

Happy 1600...

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Pansity on March 01, 2009, 05:31:14 PM

Quote from: alwaysdavid on January 11, 2009, 10:03:50 PM

The revelation that Quentin and Judith always hated each other and the games they play make one wonder how they grew up.

Interesting touch in that scene with Quentin and Judith which I didn't see anyone mention. He's all his normal cynical exterior in that scene -- until she says that line about him hating her. At that, he seems to drop the defenses, and says quietly "I thought you always did  me,"and asks rather sadly "Why didn't we get along?". Nice touch showing the vulnerability underneath the bratty bullying exterior.  The man behind the curtain isn't as tough and powerful as he desperately wants the world to think he is.

And I agree with ER -- I DEFINTELY peg him as the baby of the family, Carl's behavior notwithstanding.  That also explains a lot of the family's resentments toward him, esp with Grandmamamama playing them all off against each other.  He's the baby, he's very bright, can charm birds out of the trees, and is drop dead gorgeous.  Judith and Edward are the "good children" all duty and responsibility and not much sense of humor.  Carl probably started his tricks to get any attention at all after being supplanted by "the baby: and has been overshadowed by him ever since.

The best analogy I can think of with Quentin is Edward VII, the son of Queen Victoria.  Same sort of philanderer and scalliwag, had no useful occupation, his mother wouldn't trust him with any responsibility, so from sheer boredom he just played his life away waiting for her to die so he would have something to do.  Interesting thing is, given responsibility and trust for the first time in his life, he turned into a rather competant king.

As to "ruining" Jamison, hard to say if there's reality there, or just the sense, common among Victorians, that not working all the time, thinking of nothing but duty and responsibility; wanting to play and have their own interests would "ruin" the child in the long run.

Jeannie

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: dom on March 03, 2009, 06:30:40 PM

Quote from: Pansity on March 01, 2009, 05:31:14 PM

-- until she says that line about him hating her. At that, he seems to drop the defenses, and says quietly "I thought you always did  me,"and asks rather sadly "Why didn't we get along?"

Another one of my fave DS moments. I was so touched by this moment in this scene. I really get lost in the intimate, tender, incidental, real, & human moments. (I think that's one of the reasons I love the pre-Barns so much. There are many.) It helps one reconsider despicable characters when they reveal these sides of themselves.

I totally get the Q ruining J bit. I wouldn't my son and heir idolizing my brother (as a fictional example) if he was a whoremonger, drunk, drug addict, physical & mental abuser, etc.

Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0702
Post by: Pansity on March 05, 2009, 02:10:41 PM

Those are the moments I look for too, Dom.  To me those are the ones that reveal character, and make someone more than a one dimentional villain.  I think that's another major reason for the appeal of DS -- of the MAIN characters, all of them get moments like that, where you see unexpected aspects of the characters that give them substance and reality in the middle of the unreal.  And thank goodness they cast actors who knew how to play and use the moments to their best advantage for character development.

It really bugs me when I see characters dismissed by a buzz word or two, as if that's all there is to the character.   [8311]  And Quentin, because of his looks, seems to be a favorite target of that. The looks stop many people cold, and they don't pay attention to what is being SHOWN (not told) about the character's behaviour.  The looks become in some minds the beginning and end of what the character is about.

Jeannie