DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '08 II => Topic started by: Watching Project on October 10, 2008, 08:32:28 PM
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Robservations #650
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[8_1_215] I don't think I tested out the mummy. MB and Midnite I am having a blast with these lovely ICONS! They are so much fun!
Onto to the review
Victoria is still so psychotic over Jeff Clark. I don't care for BD at all and she seems especially worse today. I think it's all these piratically screaming for Jeff! UGHHH!! I actually wished the producers [spoiler]had went with Carolyn Groves first.[/spoiler] [8_1_209] I guess this is the best way [spoiler]to wrap up Victoria's storyline under the circumstances![/spoiler] I find it rather sad that Victoria, [spoiler]the one who started this whole thing will soon exit our screens![/spoiler] Great to see these scenes between Barnabas and Victoria and for some reason you can feel there is a certain finality to it! I wish Alexandra was playing it though. Dan really 'effed up, pardon my french, when he didn't bring her back. I think he was sitting on a potential ratings gold mine. Just think of all of the press for the event and her playing an evil character! [BOO]
I can't believe Barnabas proposed to Victoria so quickly though, he sure moves fast. Bless his heart. :(
It's also nice to see some finality to the Peter/Jeff debacle! I have to say I sure do like RD's threads on today's episode man! They show his nice chest! ONLY time I have ever thought he was sexy. Roger is off to London. I have read Big Lou twice and I am almost sure he was doing a play!
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I forgot this was Betsy's last episode. All I'll say is good bye, Betsy, farewell, and amen. [hall2_wink]
I think Barnabas proposing to Vicki was rather tactless on his part. It's still too soon to expect her to forget about Jeff. Maybe he did it just to try and keep her from leaving Collinwood. I know he loves Vicki, but it seems he's still in denial about her feelings about Jeff. [hall2_rolleyes]
We won't be seeing Roger for awhile. Too bad, he's gonna miss all the fun! But then again, he did just have his fall from the stairs...that was probably more than enough 'fun' for him. [hall2_grin]
Great ending to the episode. The shock on Barnabas' and Elizabeth's face as they watched Vicki fade into the past along with Peter was priceless.
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Roger was also away during the entire Gerard haunting too. Perhaps he senses something is in the air and decides to skip town till its over.
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I have to say I'm not sorry to see Betsy fade away.
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Drat, drat, drat. Finally they find a hairdo that looks good on Betsy Durkin, and it turns out to be her last day.
Who wrote this episode? I should have checked, because there were not one, not two, but three lines that struck me sour:
1) Vicky goes into this long explanation of how Jeff will always be with her even though he's gone, and asks Barnabas, "Do you understand?" Barnabas responds (words approximate), "I understand that you're telling me you're not going to marry me." Ooh, I've heard that before. There you are, trying for a meeting of the minds, and the one you're talking to yanks the subject right out of your hands and turns it against you.
2) Barnabas says, "Shall we say our goodbyes now?" and Vicky answers, "If that's what you want." In other words, "Hey, it's your choice, don't blame me if you end up not liking it."
3) Roger is about to leave for London, and he says to Barnabas, "While I'm gone, would you try helping Liz?" As in: "You've never lifted a finger for her before. Why don't you try being useful for a change?"
I know, I know. None of these things were meant unkindly, and in the show, none of them were taken unkindly. But the first item pushed a huge button in my mind, and after that I guess I was just on the lookout. I'm willing to consider the possibility that Louis Edmonds messed up on his line. Maybe Roger would ask if Barnabas would "mind" helping Liz, rather than "try".
On to another subject...we never do get a good answer on how Peter Bradford did what he did. If I were Vicky, the first thing I would ask when he spoke would be: "Where have you been? What have you been? And when I get an astral projection, will it be pink instead of blue?"
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Of all the people to try to convince Vicki to move on, we get Liz and Barnabas-- she who spent 18 punishing herself for the way her marriage ended, and Barnabas who continued to pine for Josette 175 years after losing her. Yeah. It does make sense, however, to have Roger "Cassandra who?" Collins insisting that Vicki should just get over it.
And not only was Barnabas premature in proposing to Vicki, she was still married. Wouldn't she have to file for a divorce? I'd love to see the scene where she hires Tony Peterson and explains that her husband abandoned his temporary body to return to his own time. Then he has to explain to her that she can't use abandonment as grounds for divorce if he's still dropping by her room for occasional visits. Or something. Sorry. [hall2_rolleyes]
Ron Sproat is the writer, btw.
I have to say I sure do like RD's threads on today's episode man! They show his nice chest! ONLY time I have ever thought he was sexy.
Have you seen "Ride the Wild Surf"? You might enjoy seeing Roger in his beach scenes. Just turn the volume off, hee hee.
Buh bye, Betsy! You seem like a dear woman, but you were horribly miscast.
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I'd love to see the scene where she hires Tony Peterson and explains that her husband abandoned his temporary body to return to his own time. Then he has to explain to her that she can't use abandonment as grounds for divorce if he's still dropping by her room for occasional visits.
[lghy] But such situations soon become typical. Makes one wonder if Collinsport eventually needed to develop its own set of "special" laws for all these odd circumstances. I can just envision the classes at the local law school being taught to cover them. [wink2]
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1) Vicky goes into this long explanation of how Jeff will always be with her even though he's gone, and asks Barnabas, "Do you understand?" Barnabas responds (words approximate), "I understand that you're telling me you're not going to marry me." Ooh, I've heard that before. There you are, trying for a meeting of the minds, and the one you're talking to yanks the subject right out of your hands and turns it against you.
Midnite beat me to the idea that Barnabas is the last person to say 'yes I understand', though if he had, and had said it in a way that left the impression that it was something he'd been thinking about, that might have been a nice moment.
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Although it was stated that Peter Bradford took over the body of a man named "Jeff Clark"...
[spoiler]Could the body have actually been that of Ned Stuart?[/spoiler]
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[spoiler]I think both Stokes and Clark/Bradford said there was a man named Jeff Clark whose body was taken, and while Stokes could have been guessing, Clark/Braford wouldn't have been.[/spoiler]
[candle_in_skull]
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Midnite beat me to the idea that Barnabas is the last person to say 'yes I understand', though if he had, and had said it in a way that left the impression that it was something he'd been thinking about, that might have been a nice moment.
Magnus, I've been thinking about this, and while an "I understand" from Barnabas would have been the thoughtful thing to do in this situation, would it have been true to the character? Doesn't he usually take the "me, me, it's all about ME" route?
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Magnus, I've been thinking about this, and while an "I understand" from Barnabas would have been the thoughtful thing to do in this situation, would it have been true to the character? Doesn't he usually take the "me, me, it's all about ME" route?
An exaggeration Midnite, but yes, I thought it would have been a nice moment of change in his character.
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Okay, gotcha.
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It was lame and dumb of Barnabas to ask her to marry him. Dose he think that Vickie can't support or take care of herself? Better yet, how is Barnabas going to support them? I bet Julia wishes that he would just move on.
Barnabas moving into Collinwood does save him upkeep of the Old House, but I wonder what he thinks of Mrs. Johnson cooking?
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It was lame and dumb of Barnabas to ask her to marry him. Dose he think that Vickie can't support or take care of herself? Better yet, how is Barnabas going to support them?
Barnabas just wants what he wants. He still hasn't regained his 1795 pre-biting adult, sympathetic frame of mind.
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It was lame and dumb of Barnabas to ask her to marry him. Dose he think that Vickie can't support or take care of herself? Better yet, how is Barnabas going to support them?
Barnabas just wants what he wants. He still hasn't regained his 1795 pre-biting adult, sympathetic frame of mind.
I don't entirely agree with that. Asking Vicki to marry him was rather insensitive under the circumstances but it doesn't make him unsympathetic, at least to me. I do like how he agreed to help out at Collinwood. I mean, Barnabas is trying anyway, to become a better man.
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Yes, trying and failing somewhat. It's not that he's being consciously selfish, but that the selfishness is coming out involuntarily, without his knowing it. I'm sure an immediate rebound into his arms would be good medicine for Victoria right now, as far as Barnabas is concerned. That's just convenient thinking though, obviously.
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As was mentioned before, this was the final episode for Betsy Durkin. [milestone] I agree that it would have been much more effective if Alexandra Moltke was still playing Vicki. [hall_cry] I was upset when Vicki and Peter disappeared, but I would have been more upset if AM had still been there. It sure was a shame that she wasn't able to stay just a little bit longer. [hall_rolleyes] That was quite a Friday cliffhanger, though. [hall2_shocked]
I think Barnabas was trying to be kind and helpful, even though he was acting rather self-centered. But it also was totally inappropriate. Yes, indeed, it would have been nice if he had told her, "I understand." But that wasn't in Barnabas' character. [hall2_rolleyes]
I thought it was neat when the watch started again and the blue spectre appeared. I found it to be pleasantly exciting when Peter was able to appear again to Vicki, from the power of her love. She held onto him and was able to go with him! How romantic! [love3]
I agree that it was too bad they didn't resolve the issue of Vicki's parentage. [devil2]
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question.
how was it determined that the besty durkin recast had proven to be unsuccessful after just ten episodes?
were the ratings affected?was there a fan outcry or an outpouring of negative viewer mail?
or was it more something that curtis and his team simply had an instinct for?
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It was probably hate mail from the fans. Back then, they took the fan mail VERY seriously. They re-tooled Leviathan halfway through based on the mail.
G.
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They used to talk about how the switchboard would be flooded with calls at ABC when the fans reacted to the show. The show was about a week ahead of taping at the time so that you can see that after the first airing of the Betsy episodes 11/22/68 Vickie only appears in five shows that were taped after fans got to see her in action.
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Either way I am glad that New Vickie is gone. Her reactions towards Jeff seem completely out of character, like Vicki was going insane. I didn't care for that at all. I think AM would have tone down the reaction.
I did a double take when Barnabas asked Vicki to marry him. Seriously, if I was Vicki I would have discontinued that conversation and asked him to leave.
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As for Vicki # 2 out of 3, I like the idea that one can be so much in love that loss of it could rip you apart like that. I think the whole supernatural element threw her too. How do you process your new husband disappearing supernaturally before your eyes, when for your whole life "magic" wasn't real, supposedly? If a book or a vase or something disappeared, that's not the same thing. I can't really put into words why not. Added together it's overwhelming, though. Losing a husband like that must be heart-wrenching yet at the same time, the biggest anticlimax of all time, one moment they're newlyweds, the next moment you're alone in the hotel room.
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I think the story itself was good on paper, but it just didn't do it for me. Most likely because of Roger Davis and Besty Durkin.
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Besides being selfish, maybe he was trying to be protective.