DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '08 II => Topic started by: Watching Project on September 09, 2008, 09:26:57 PM
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Robservations #627
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YAY! A Grayson voiceover. I know I am a Grayson nut, I am just completely enamoured with that woman. :) Has anyone noticed RD seems to fool with his neck collar a lot?? Lara is an amazing actress and I think she proved it in this episode!! :) I really loved Don's character lurking about in the outside. He actually got wet. I think this is the first time someone has actually gotten rained on in Collinsport since the early EPS! LOL How cool is it that the writers brought back the gorgeous and talented Don Briscoe as Tom's twin? Great call there writers!! This is the first time we hear Amy's name mentioned! [milestone] GH screaming is always a glorious event. I was cracking up when she saw Chris in the hospital. I LOVE YOU GRAYSON HALL!!! Chris is looking hot with his hair all wet and stuff~~SEXY! The funny thing is Julia's hair is really dry. I guess Julia had an umbrella. In my opinion we are coming up on some of the best storylines DS ever offered especially in it's latter years. GREAT shot of AM and GH on the landing. I have said it before but I think that Grayson and Alexandra's real life friendship shines through in their performances! We are also seeing the storyline shift into DS greatest year in the ratings. And to the storyline a lot of people consider the best DS ever offered.
LOVED Lara's performance as she summoned the devil! She always had those wordy spells to call on the devil and she did it with great finesse!!
Sad..this is AM's last episode! [ghost_sad]
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Actually, in this episode Amy is called "Molly".
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I think we're talking about the only episode with a scene with both Chris and Tom in it.
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A typo on my part. In my notes I have "Molly" but I guess because were we never heard that name again I missed it. Thanks for the reminder.
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GH screaming is always a glorious event. I was cracking up when she saw Chris in the hospital.
"AHHH! TOM, NO!" Love it! [ghost_cheesy]
Oh, our very first Chris episode! I'm with you, Taeylor: I think we're coming up on some of the best storylines on the show, with
[spoiler]Chris mauling people, Quentin terrorizing the kids, and eventually into 1897. Great stuff![/spoiler]
I've often wondered how "Molly" became "Amy." At first I thought someone just misspoke, but it can't be that since both Joe and Chris clearly call her "Molly."
I can't help snickering at the irony in Chris' line: [spoiler]"Joe, there are no animals in this area that attack humans." [lghb][/spoiler]
I also love the conviction in Angelique's voice when she tells Adam that Eve "was an evil woman." Look who's talking... [ghost_tongue2]
I can't begin to explain how sad I am to see Alexandra Moltke go. [cryb]
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Bye Bye Alexandra. And now what I consider the most horrifing experience on DS begins, but maybe it was Alexandra's was of getting revenge on her co-star. I have to agree it was a great Grayson Hall moment when she sees Chris.
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What do think Alexandra did to get revenge on her costar??
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When Adam was asking himself, "What do I do now?" the answer seemed obvious to me: Get anger management therapy.
This episode made me think about what we don't see of Collinsport on the show. Here's what we found out:
The parents of Chris, Tom, and Molly/Amy had died two years before. That would make it 1966, the year in which the series began, and also the year in which Bill Malloy was killed.
Although Julia was busy with the Experiment and with Barnabas's victimization by Angelique, she still had time to get Molly/Amy to Windcliff. And where was Molly/Amy staying between Tom's death and her removal to Windcliff?
Tom Jennings had friends named John Moody and Seth Parker whom we never saw. Good old-fashioned names - I like them. Which was their preferred gathering place - The Blue Whale or The Toolshed Bar and Grill?
By the way, Taeylor, just to set the record straight: Chris and Tom were not twins. Chris was three years older than Tom.
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Lydia et al:
When accounting for time I think we have to take into account the fact that time didn't pass for months in the present-day storyline, while the viewers were seeing 1795. I know we don't all agree on that. Anyway, if we accept it as being 1968 during Casselique, perhaps what we saw as 1966 was really 1967. I've never seen early DS, and don't know if they said what year it was back then.
Re Victoria's regeneration: For the second time with this viewing, I've been struck by how the character of VW changes overnight when the actress changes, but believably. The recasting caught Victoria at a pivotal moment in her life. the very first scene with BD: she and Maggie are discussing Maggie's marriage plans, and VW is laying into Nick mercilessly. Alright, my thought was, does she even know anything about Nick? Apart from that knot though, this is the perfect moment for her to wake up and adjust to the obvious fact that the world around her is full of supernatural events, and that there's no going back, in her view of the world.
Up until then, she'd made a strange half-accommodation with having memories of 1795. She half-believed it, but was in half-denial. (You can't continue to live that way, you go nuts, I think.) Her world-view was still generally the old "sensible" one, where what people on TV like to call "rational explanations" account for everything. She was reluctant to step off the cliff into loony-land I'm sure, despite the overwhelming evidence of her eyes and ears.
Betsy Durkin is a new Victoria who's adjusted to all this, and who goes charging off into Halloweenland without a net, and without hesitation. Her first act in office as New Vicki is to have a showdown with Nicholas Blair. Someone tell me please, did BD ever utter "I don't understand"?
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Someone tell me please, did BD ever utter "I don't understand"?
LOL Betsy's Vicki had her own twists on it, such as, "If only I could understand..." and "Why can't I understand...?"
But by this point in the story, it seems the only persons who understand are the children. [ghost_wink]
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needless to say this episode was a bitter pill for me to swallow.
when i first got into the series i was unpleasantly surprised at the fervor with which some fans disliked vicki("simpering idiot" was a phrase i often encountered)but for me she was the heart of the show.
after this episode i either liked or disliked casually the rest of the program's run but i never loved it in quite the same way as i did during the moody,melancholy reign of (alexandra moltke's)victoria winters. [cryb]
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AM was great, but the character was not written well later on I think. She thought so too. The female characters in general needed to be shown as alert, engaged, and active in dealing with problems. Instead, most just went passive and said why, oh why is all this happening? a lot.
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Thanks for the heads up on Tom I think I have the POM PRESS books ingrained in my brain!! As the DS Companion was my first book I bought about DS. So how do we know Chris is three years older?? I am just curious. I am not doubting you! ;)They sure looked like twins. But so did Jeff and Ned! Right?? [ghost_grin]
The only ballsy lady was Julia Hoffman and Elizabeth (when the show first began) and even Victoria in the beginning!
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The show actually establishes that Chris is older. And Midnite once laid out the evidence here:
In ep #564 ...
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Thanks! I think Par for the course is the better than TSK TSK TSK. That isn't the first incosistency in the Pom Press books as I have learned over the past few years. [ghost_mad]
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I always liked this period of the series - and not just because of the obvious Briscoe eye candy to come... it brought Barnabas to Collinwood more frequently, and took him out of that self-absorbed "Angelique is comin' to get me again" element. It brought us new characters to care about - and it was easy to transition into caring about Chris and Amy, relative strangers to us viewers, because established characters like Joe, Julia, Carolyn, Barnabas and David cared about them as well.
Yes, some soul of the show went with Alexandra Moltke's departure. At the time, it was reported in the trade papers Alex was leaving the series as she was expecting a baby (she'd been newly married the previous year), so I wonder if fans expected her to reprise her Victoria role after a stint with motherhood, or once the 1897 storyline wrapped up. Betsy Durkin was a gutsier Vicki in her confrontation with Nicholas, but she reverted to a whiny, hand-wringing wimp in scenes with Jeff/Peter (Roger Davis). The writers were wise to fade both Vicki and Peter out (pun intended) as quickly as they did.
Grayson was a hoot when she jumped back and mistook Chris for Tom Jennings at the hospital. I survived the loss of Eve, but looked forward to Marie Wallace returning at some point as a twisted new character. She didn't disappoint us!
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There was a bad and a good milestone in this episode.
The bad milestone was the fact that this was Alexandra Moltke's last episode as Victoria Winters. [ghost_sad] [milestone] The show was never the same after she left. They never resolved Vicki's "where did I come from?" issue that she had during the pre-Barnabas episodes. They dropped the ball. [spoiler]Actually, I believe that the butler, B. Hanscombe, was Vicki's father; Betty Hanscombe was her sister, cousin or aunt; Elizabeth was her mother, of course. [/spoiler] It also was too bad that AM never got to play a different character - or even some supernatural being. [ghost_tongue]
The good milestone was the first appearance of Chris Jennings on the show! [milestone] I loved it when Julia screamed at the sight of him! [shkdg] It was also fun to watch Joe's reaction, too. I loved it when Julia got on his case for not wanting to take care of Molly/Amy and convinced him to visit her. She really put him in his place! [ghost_wink]
Another possible milestone: Chris got wet while standing in the rain. Was it the first time a character got wet on DS? [ghost_huh] If so, here's the milestone. [milestone]
Now I finally have it straight about Tom and Chris. I used to think they were twins, because they looked so much alike, and they were both played by Don Briscoe. That assumption was fueled by the incorrect info in "The Dark Shadows Companion" and other DS sources. [signerror] But now I know that Chris was 3 years older than Tom.[spoiler]I was confused before, but no more. That makes more sense that Chris had the werewolf curse (and Tom didn't), because Chris definitely was the firstborn son.[/spoiler]
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[hippy2]
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I can't believe this is AM's last episode already. [ghost_sad] But she made the most of it, I thought. I liked watching her trying to convince Jeff to do the right thing.
I too loved watching Julia scream her lungs out thinking Chris was Tom. Though it's a bit puzzling that after Tom's death, Joe told her he was Tom's only living relative, which wasn't true. There WAS Chris, but he couldn't be reached. Still there WAS Amy, too. Guess he was just too much under Angelique's power to be thinking straight. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Sally my dear I have been watching the Beginning DVDS and several times Roger etc. have gotten wet. Of course it's always men most of the time, maybe all the time. I don't recall a woman getting wet. It only rained in the early days of DS.....so it wasn't a Milestone. I just wanted to let you know that. However, it had been a hell of a long time since anyone had gotten wet. So maybe after all we could consider it a Milestone!! [ghost_wink]
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Was it a milestone in that it was the first gender-selective rainstorm (if that's a term)?
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LOL, Magnus! You may be right! [ghost_cheesy]
Sally my dear I have been watching the Beginning DVDS and several times Roger etc. have gotten wet... so it wasn't a Milestone. I don't recall a woman getting wet... it had been a hell of a long time since anyone had gotten wet. So maybe after all we could consider it a Milestone!! [ghost_wink]
Oops! I forgot about those rainstorms during the pre-Barnabas episodes. [signerror] Yes, indeed, it had been a long time - so long I had forgotten - since Roger etc. got wet. Thanks for reminding me. [bigok] Now, if a woman ever got wet, that would be a milestone, for sure! [ghost_wink]
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The gals always had the unbrellas, but didn't we always love it when the guys got wet.
The part about Julia giving Chris a hard time was great.
I have one question how did Julia get her car home. She got the ride home from Chris?
All around a great show. Amy didn't look like a Molly. David and Amy sounds better.
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was there ever any explanation why Chris transforms but not Tom? Is Tom still under 21 when dies? Or does the curse only affected the eldest child?
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was there ever any explanation why Chris transforms but not Tom? Is Tom still under 21 when dies? Or does the curse only affected the eldest child?
[spoiler]When Magda originally puts the curse on Quentin in 1897, I believe she says that the curse will go to ALL the male members of each generation. Either the writers simply messed up and it conveniently fit right into the story or they remembered that Chris had a brother, because after returning from 1897 Julia explains the whole thing to Chris and says that the curse does in fact go to the oldest male of each generation.[/spoiler]
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I have one question how did Julia get her car home. She got the ride home from Chris?
Yeah, I wondered that myself. Maybe she went down to the Old House and told Willie to walk into town and get her car.
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OK my first question is what does Vicki say to Julia on the Landing. I watched it 4 times and I couldn't make it out. I swear it sounded like I couldn't get hold of Roger, he must of turn his cell phone off. I know that's not what she said, but that's all I could hear. I thought I was watching DS in a parallel room.
Anyway, I was totally excited by this one. I felt storylines were wrapping up and news one beginning. I felt I was watching a season finale. AWESOME STUFF!!!
[skelleton_runs]
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OK my first question is what does Vicki say to Julia on the Landing. I watched it 4 times and I couldn't make it out. I swear it sounded like I couldn't get hold of Roger, he must of turn his cell phone off. I know that's not what she said, but that's all I could hear. I thought I was watching DS in a parallel room.
Hee hee. He must have turned his telephone off. [hall2_wink]
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So does Roger have a direct line to his bedroom?
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Wow, you can sure feel "transition" written all over this episode, with an old storyline wrapping up and a new one just beginning to unwrap. Also, I counted no fewer than nine names in the closing credits today. Is that a record for never-more-than-five-actors-at-a-time Dan Curtis?
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I kind of like the way Alejandra left the series. She literally "exited stage left," never to be seen again. Sad though.