DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
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http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37426
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YES!
YOWSA!
I can walk to this theatre from home!
Oh, baby!
David
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I've spoken to the manager of the Castro Theatre.
The HODS & NODS screenings will include a presentation by Darren Gross of the missing NODS footage.
Two cast members will also appear.
Not confirmed, but I'm guessing it'll be Kathryn & Lara.
David
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The HODS & NODS screenings will include a presentation by Darren Gross of the missing NODS footage.
Excellent! The more people who hear about the recovered footage/restoration, the better.
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Great. It will be nice for fans to see Darren's hard work.
nancy
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More attention to the NODS restoration? I am all for it and cannot wait for this project to finally come to fruition!
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The name "Darren Gross" has been washing over me without my noticing (I'm that way with most information), but I'll have to take more notice. I didn't know this was a personal project for someone who's financing it out of his own pocket. I've never seen NODS, and now, somehow, eventually I'll get to the real version only, without ever having to see the cut-up version. It's like fixing my DS past.
I walked around that neighborhood once on a parade day, 25 years ago or so. I know of the theater but never saw anything there. Not interesting to anyone I know, I'm just getting achy and nostalgic for when I was actually getting out and doing things.
We also have no cool theater here so I'm moaning about that too. The UC Theater in Berkeley, that was especially great....
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Magnus, just to clarify, Darren Gross helms the restoration project, but he is not financing it. It's hoped that the anticipation of the Depp movie will spur Warner Bros to hold off on releasing NoDS [& HoDS] on DVD until restoration of all the footage is completed; otherwise, we may never see the release of a restored version. :( He said at this summer's Fest that the restoration will take at least a year to complete. Did that help?
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Thanks Midnite. Someone on the thread linked to thought he was paying for it all personally. I misunderstood the rest. I guess I wouldn't see it in the theater now if I had a chance, I'd wait for the reconstruction.
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My old SF apartment used to sit above the neighborhood and you could see the Castro Theatre signing shining brightly from my living and dining room. It recently had a renovation I understand.
http://www.thecastrotheatre.com/index.html
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Hopefully something else that's mentioned in the thread - that the idea of releasing both DS movies on the same disk has been abandoned in favor of them being stand-alones - is actually true.
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You're welcome, Magnus.
Someone on the thread linked to thought he was paying for it all personally.
Ah, I see what you mean. (The mods here aren't required to read linked material, thank goodness, or we'd have no lives. ;)) I feel the promoter of Shock It To Me! who started the thread should have corrected that statement about Darren, but that's me.
Also just saw that comment in the AVManiacs thread about the movies supposedly being released as stand-alones, and I was going to mention it, MB. Gee, that's never happened before. [ghost_cheesy]
Anyway, I adore NoDS, so if I may add my 2 cents, I think you should see both versions of it if you have the chance.
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Also just saw that comment in the AVManiacs thread about the movies supposedly being released as stand-alones, and I was going to mention it, MB. Gee, that's never happened before. [ghost_cheesy]
No, never. Right! Just the second time today we've been on the exact same wavelength at the same time. [b003] Though evidence of the first time is no longer on the forum...
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Anyway, I adore NoDS, so if I may add my 2 cents, I think you should see both versions of it if you have the chance.
I agree Midnite and I would love to see both version as well. NODS is by far my favorite of the two. I think Grayson truly stands out as Carlotta is NOTHING like any other character she played on the soap. Darren Gross told me it was hard to find a Grayson dub because everyone sounds like Julia. I think that in and of itself speaks volumes about what an amazing actress GH.
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Although NODS hasn't been properly restored yet, a lot of work has gone into preparing for it's restoration. Tracking down lost footage, ADR work, etc. I'm pretty sure Mr. Gross has done all of this on his own dime. I don't believe the poster in the linked thread meant that Darren would be personally funding the full restoration.
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KLS has indeed been announced as one of the guests:
Shock It To Me! (http://www.myspace.com/shockit2me)
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so which night will h.o.d.s + n.o.d.s. be shown? all i see is oct 17th+18th. then it says one night only? which night will the d.s. films be shown ?
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Looks like Lara Parker's gonna be there too - http://www.avmaniacs.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37426&page=2
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I watched House Of DS last weekend. There was plenty of incontinuity. Is it me, or did MGM leave several reels on the cutting room floor as they did with Night?
My best wishes to Darren Gross. Finding lost footage is a nightmare, particularly when the major studios won't cooperate. I've been involved in a push to get Universal to release several "B" movies from the 40's. No dice. If they won't make money, why pursue them? That's the studio's take on this issue. That's why they make all those remakes. For example: Gilligan's Island was a gold mine in syndication. Let's make a movie! $$$$
I don't even go to the movies anymore. I come home and switch on Turner Classic Movies and unwind. Or I pop in a tape, and I have hundreds of them, and watch Reptillicus ruin the Denmark nation, or Lon Chaney make love to Gwen Conliffe in front of - what may still be standing in the Universal lot - Conliffe's Antiques, Vasaria.
I have the highest respect for Darren. And I can't wait to see his restored version of "Night". He has worked hard for this. I'm sure we will all enjoy it.
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If you read the original script from HoDS, quite a few pivitol scenes were not in the movie. For example: watching the movie, Barnabas and Willie were having an argument regarding Barnabas' wanting to get Jeff Clark out of the way (well, who wouldn't?). Willie asks Barnabas if he's going to do something to Jeff; Barnabas replies, rather, he's going to do something for him. And then Jeff's gone (well, not that that's a bad thing), no explanation. Turns out there was a scene, maybe a couple, I don't recall exactly now, in the script in which Barnabas has made arrangements for Jeff to have a gallery showing of his works somewhere out of town, or something like that, so Barnabas can spend time wooing Maggie. There are other various scenes which fleshed things out more that didn't make it to the big screen.
Gerard
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The difference between hoDS and NoDS, though, is that too many of the plot holes and the irritating lack of character development was all DC's doing because he either didn't include shot scenes in his final edit or he didn't bother to shoot them at all because he felt they detracted from the blood, gore, murder and mayhem, all of which was foremost in his mind. After all, why get to know any of the characters or care about them when they're merely pieces in DC's giant game, right? WRONG! ::) But we've discussed the failings of hoDS to death - and the CE/A boards aren't the place to do it anyway...
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August Ragone, who runs the annual Shock It 2 Me marathon, has posted on the Classic Horror Film Board that both DS films will screen Sat Oct 18th.
The day will also include Hammer's Horror of Dracula & Curse of Frankenstein.
Coming to the Castro Theatre in Sept:
a week long tribute to Tim Burton & Johnny Depp!
The Castro Theatre is reason enough to live
here in San Francisco!
David
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San Fransisco is enough to live in San Fran! :) It has always been my dream......one day maybe.... [ghost_sad]
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San Fransisco is enough to live in San Fran! :) It has always been my dream......one day maybe.... [ghost_sad]
Life is short & SF is here,
just do it, Taeylor!
And you can hang out with me & my 2 local DS buddies!
David
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Someone on the thread linked to thought he was paying for it all personally.
Oh, but I have been...for nearly 10 years now, in blood, sweat, tears, and time... [ghost_wink]
I just found this thread today. Thanks for the kind words, everybody. Very nice to read.
That said, I definitely urge those interested to come on down to the screening. After the film finishes, I'm showing the extended R rated scenes (full sound and color), which is extremely eye-opening when shown in that context, as well as some of the unrestored footage, and other tidbits which were going to be shown at this year's fest but weren't...
And, I'll be bringing along a very special print of HOUSE OF DARK SHADOWS: an original British dye transfer technical print. It's the only technicolor print of the film that survives, as far as I'm aware, and the colors are amazing-- the reds, the garish greenish yellows, the eye-popping blue of Julia's hideous house dress will amaze you... Plus it's got the UK ratings X certificate card at the head, so it'll truly be a unique experience.
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thanks for the info. looking forward to seeing the print of hods. i wasnt impressed with the print shown at the vista theatre. it had good sound but a scratchy print.
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Life is short & SF is here,
just do it, Taeylor!
And you can hang out with me & my 2 local DS buddies!
Sometimes harsh reality and physical barriers get in the way of our doing these things.
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I truly wish I could be at this event. KLS and LP. All kinds of DS fans and possible other people who aren't fans. How much fun. Magnus is right David though, at this time it would be impossible for me to relocate anywhere. Hopefully one day. [ghost_wink]
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I joined the boards to read what others think about the upcoming Shock It To Me festival screenings of the Dark Shadows movies. I saw these on VHS many years ago. I am definitely going because these two are being screened.
Is anyone particularly interested in arriving in a costume? I'd be paying tribute to the Daphne character. I asked the Shock It To Me people if they were planning any costume incentives, like show up as your favorite D.S. character and you get something free, but they said that this idea failed last time so they'd bring it up at their next meeting. I think if any movie double feature would inspire fans to be there in costume, it'd be this one. What do you think?
I, too, am excited to see any of the special footage Darren brings!
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Welcome, Wednesday! Hope you enjoy the movies and Darren's groovy footage.
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I'll be at the Castro with board member Joe Integlia & a few local fans.
None of us will be in costume, but Joe & I will be wearing our DS T shirts proudly!
Wed. is welcome to hang with us!
David
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WELCOME WED. I hope you guys have fun at this event.
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I read on the Shock It To Me Myspace blog that Ticketweb should start selling tickets next week!
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link to ticketweb for tickets to the double feature at the Castro: http://www.ticketweb.com/t3/sale/SaleEventDetail?dispatch=loadSelectionData&eventId=343514 (http://www.ticketweb.com/t3/sale/SaleEventDetail?dispatch=loadSelectionData&eventId=343514)
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Only two days to go (only 1, if you're attending day one which is Spider Baby and Night of the Living Dead, both unmissable) until the event.
It should be a great time. My presentation and my HODS print are all prepped, and it's a great schedule.
On Saturday the doors open at 545 for the evening events (there are earlier afternoon screenings) with NODS on at 6:30, my presentation at 8:30, KLS and Lara interviewed by John Stanley at 8:50, with HODS in beautiful IB Technicolor at 9:30.
I look forward to sharing some fun material with the SF crowd.
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Best of luck Darren. Wish I could go. I certainly hope they have provided you with all the time you need for your presentation and the scheduled time seems very good.
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Hi Darren, it all sounds tremendously exciting; wish I could be there!
Can you tell us more about the hoDS print you'll be screening? It sounds fabulous!
Best luck,
Steve
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Joe Integlia is driving here today from LA.
He & I, and three local fans who don't post at boards, will be there with bells on!
At last, a DS event I can walk to from home!
YOWSA!
David
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Just came across this article and it also mentions the new DS movie.
http://www.ktvu.com/events/17740388/detail.html
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HELLO TO ON THE DS BOARDS. I AM NEW TO THE SITE. MM#7. was curious to know how the screenings if House and NIGHT went in San Francisco went. Any news on the up and comings DVDS on them. Thankyou.
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Welcome to the Boards, MM#7. I am also looking forward to hearing news of the screenings. I'm sure it was a wonderful evening for everyone.
Please do feel free to express your thoughts about our favorite show and related projects here. We have threads going on the original 1966-71 series, are currently cycling through episodes of the 1991 series on a one-episode-per-week schedule, and have had several discussions of the films as well.
Best wishes,
Gothick
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i am here at davids and leaving to head back to hollywood soon. im sure david will post a lengthy report. i sat thru 4 movies, horror of dracula, curse of frankenstein, n..o.d.s+ h.o.d.s. darren was able to show his n.o.d.s. presentation without the technical problems he had at the festival. it was very enjoyable. the thetre got a great turnout for all the movies shown that day. lara+katryn were on hand for the entire day, signing autogaphs upstairs and later apeaed on stage with horror host john stanley. john confessed earlier in private to david+i that he didnt know much about d.s. he was doing fine job interviewing untill he made the mistake of stating that lara+kathryn were in both d.s. films but he was jokingly corrected. i got some pictures+video and will post asap.
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It was a GREAT day.
I saw Horror of Dracula (terrific print) then had to leave to feed some cats (I have a pet sitting service)
At 5:30, Joe & I had dinner at the Cove Cafe across the street from the theatre and watched the crowd line up.
We went in around 6:10.
John Stanley, who interviewed the ladies, was a TV horror host on KTVU TV in the 80s: he continues to review films for the SF Chronicle.
I run into him at press screenings all the time, (I write for the gay press in SF, Sacramento & San Jose) so he & I chatted.
Joe & I sported DS T shirts purchased from MPI, and I had a DS baseball cap on.
Kathryn saw me & said that I was making quite a fashion statement!
"What the well dressed geek will wear," I said with a laugh.
I'd say that around 800-900 people showed up for the DS movies.
I met a lifelong local fan who brought her grandkids!!
The NODS print was terrific.
And let's face it, it's a beautifully shot, atmospheric film.
Even with the cuts, it's a creepy little story.
I think NODS gets a bum rap it does not deserve.
Darren Gross' presentation was wonderful. Joe & I moved to the front row for him & for the actress Q & A.
One of the newly dubbed dialogue scenes was shown with full sound.
In the scene, set in 1810, Angelique plays Quentin's Theme on a piano, while he kisses her. Laura comes in & accuses Angelique of witchcraft.
They also showed a silent scene of Tracy which Gross provied the dialogue for. This scene gives the Tracy character far more depth.
The spooky as hell seance scene from the film, with Angelique's face hovering above, was also shown.
Gross said that Warners was again getting interested in the restoration due to the upcoming Depp/Burton movie!!!
The Kathryn/Lara interview lasted about 40 mins and was quite lively. About half of what they said was familiar.
The HODS print was OK, but hardly the technicolor wonder it was made out to be.
The audience was clearly "into it", and had a great time.
It was great to see HODS & NODS in such a huge, single screen movie palace, and the turnout proves that DS still has a big, big following.
A great, great night!
David
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Thank you for the reports, David and Joe!
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What a wonderful evening. Even if not a technicolor wonder, being able to see hoDS in a film print as opposed to a projected DVD or other formatted disc must have been a wonderful experience.
I never saw NoDS in the theatre (we were out of town the one week it played in my local cinema--I remember well the poster showing up and how excited I was), and I'll admit I actually contemplated coming to SF for these screenings.
I remember the scene David describes with Angelique and Charles at the pf. and Laura coming in. That is marvelous that the soundtrack has been fully restored! A wonderful coup for Darren!
My personal guess is that it will be three to five years before Depp Shadows is completed and released (more likely to be five years, I would guess, given the schedules of Depp and Burton), and it will be a shame if we have to wait that long for Warners to release the 1970s feature films on disc. But you know how the suits are.
G.
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Thanks for the reports on the screenings! How I wish I could have been there. The Castro Theater is such a gorgeous place.
~Penny~
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a picture of the schedule for "shock it to me" 2008 more pictures to come later......
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picture of the castro theatre marquee on saturday. more pictures coming soon....
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What a joy it was to see that marquee on one of my neighborhood theatres!
David
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The Castro is an incredible theater, and everything about the event was of an extremely professional, warm, and highly satisfying. The opportunity to screen both films on a screen as huge, and an environment so resplendent is an extreme rarity. Naturally, I've seen the films dozens (and dozens in the case of NODS) of times, several times on the big screen, but this is the best presentation I've ever seen of them. The experience reiterates the power of the big screen experience. Those giant close-ups of eyes and faces, and zooms have such more drama and power, and the atmosphere of the locations are so much more atmospheric when one is allowed to see them at a large scale.
NODS benefited particularly in this regard, and it played extremely well with an audience, quiet and in suspense during the majority, laughter at the right parts, etc. that should only help to boost its underratd reputation.
To have the opportunity to showcase the deleted material and the restored bits on a screen of that size, is a first for me, and gives one a greater sense of how things work and a clearer idea of the work yet to come and its needs...
On the HODS print, I would like to make a couple brief comments-- not so much as a defense, but as an explanation that I think will be of interest...
While the print was an IB Technicolor print, it should be stated that the film was not shot in Technicolor (by the 70s nothing was), but printed in Technicolor. Films shot in Technicolor means three-strip negatives and were mostly produced in the 40s and 50s. Gone w/the Wind, Wizard of Oz, Cobra Woman, etc. were shot this way and in this era, Technicolor had extreme requirements for color values, Most were of an extremely vivid, bold, and vibrant pallette...
Now, it's not necessary to have filmed a movie in 3-strip Technicolor in order to release prints in that format. Essentially what the difference is in color accuracy and fading. Technicolor prints use actual color dyes (like a newspaper or book) that are impressed onto the film in layers (red, green, blue) instead of being developed photochemically. While there's the occasional bad print produced, the accuracy of the finished colors to the photographer's intentions is (was) Technicolor's primary concern in making these kinds of prints. All 60s and 70s films shot in Eastmancolor are extremely prone to fading, which shows as a gradual loss of color, fading more and more pinkish, to reddish. IB Technicolor prints do not fade, meaning it will look the same today, is it did back when it was fresh from the lab, and will retain it's color values, ad infinitum. (to be continued below)
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Basically, one can usually count on an original Technicolor print to be an accurate rendition of the filmmaker's original intentions. For example, current DVDS and digital restorations of Gone w/the Wind have a much bolder vivid color pallette, while Selznick and co's original intentions (as verified by original Technicolor prints that survive) were of a film with a slightly more sepia look to it, and tones that would probably be considered a bit flat by today's standards...
The HODS IB Tech print that was screened should, most likely, be considered an accurate representation of the color design of the film, though it was at times surprising, for one used to video transfers, and the print that Warners made in the early 90s (it's the one that's been shown around the country for the last 10 or so years, including the Vista). The print had vivid red title cards that were very readable, blues throughout had a coolness and a tangible electric presence (a Technicolor specialty), especially police cars, Grayson's horrible blue housedress,etc. but other colors were a bit muted, as were faces. Liz's yellow dress was still yellow and gross, but not as horrid and garish as one is used to. While this was initially surprising, it caused other aspects to seem smoother or correct... For example, Carolyn looks particuarly pale and deathly here, especially when she's found by Mrs. Johnson. The look of the film is darker, which seems to make the day for night effects more convincing and the interiors of Collinwood seem more shadowier. In fact, the murkier interiors and darker shadings are more evocative of the cinematographer's previous film, The Boys in the Band, with no backlighting, or highlights, allowing the edges of characters to blend with the shadows behind them. What was particuarly interesting were the reds. While newer prints and videos make the blood appear like paint, the darker timing here, made the blood appear more like blood. One additional benefit was that the shot of Willie walking Carolyn back to the house, which was horribly underexposed when filmed, did not stick out. Other transfers and prints have brightened the shot a bit, which has made it seem extremely noisy and grainy. The darker color timing here, helped hide the grain and made the shot stick out less than I've ever seen it before.
While personally, I would prefer more saturated fleshtones and warmer browns, I think there's a strong benefit and intention to some of the color design in the print, and while I certainly don't have the say-so, if pressed, I'd color balance future video transfers with a mix of the two ideas-- garish colors, but more realistic reds, darker shadows, etc.
I'm glad there was an opportunity to show it to an audience.
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I know the guy who does the Shock It 2 Me shows.
I'm going to suggest that he do the DS films again, with Frid & Selby in attendance.
That might sell the house out!
David
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Personally, I'd love to be able to come back in a few years to premiere a fully restored version of NODS. It'd be my top venue choice for a premiere.
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the video transfer for h.o.d.s. done by crest national (where i used to work)was excellent and color corrected and i think it is the transfer used for the laser disc but it wasnt used for the vhs release. i only hope the color corrected transfer used for the laser disc is also used for the dvd release. heres another picture from the event......
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another picture..... John Stanley, KLS + LP on stage at the castro
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2 more.... KLS + LP
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Great photos, Joe. Thanks so much for sharing them. [hall2_smiley]
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Thanks, Darren, for sharing the details about the Technicolor print you screened of hoDS. It's too bad that DVD reviewers don't seem to pay as much attention to inaccurate color palettes as they do to screen ratios--but such is life.
The shot of Carolyn slumped on the floor discovered by Mrs J looks somehow specially filtered or graded on the videotape I have (which is derived from the laserdisc). Whatever technique Ornitz used for that shot really packed a visual punch, I thought. I appreciated your remarks comparing his work on hoDS with his previous work on Boys/Band.
My congratulations to you on presiding over such a triumphant event!
best wishes,
Steve
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Thanks, Joe, for those photos. Looks as if the ladies were having a wonderful time.
G.
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Warners made a new HD transfer of HODS fairly recently. It's the source of the recent Chillre broadcasts, so whatever that looks like is how the DVD will look like.
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i uploaded a 10 minute highlited version of the John Stanley interview with KLS + LP on youtube. www.youtube.com/user/jayteevideo
anyone interested in having the entire video that runs 50min and includes the stars signing autographs can e-mail me at JAYTEEVIDEO@YAHOO.COM for details. however someone else has uploaded most of the interview in 4 parts. www.youtube.com/user/naboomboo
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An article about the event and Depp playing Barnabas as a "lisping fool"? I just wish I was one of the 900 people another cousin posted about in the audience -that is an incredibly high number-that's so great for the franchise and I am very happy for Darren.
http://www.ebar.com/arts/art_article.php?sec=outthere&article=177
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My photos can be seen here. I thought John Stanley saying the word "old" in the introduction of the show and Lara Parker, Kathryn Leigh Scott, was a little tacky. I felt embarrassed for them. They were gracious anyways. I love the stories. I could have had another 15 minutes of them onstage, but then the movies looked fabulous. I love the colors more in the films and especially on the big screen at the Castro. That's one of the things about this city that keeps me here. I thought the found footage was very good and demonstrated how much we missed with the edited films. It was a wonderful treat and fit well with the intermission. There were some dedicated fans there applauding as the films began with the title sequence. I love seeing all the realistic weather and hearing our favorite music score. I want more Dark Shadows events at the Castro, too. It's a perfect venue for this stuff.
http://flickr.com/photos/obsidian_snowflake/sets/72157608322579099/detail/ (http://flickr.com/photos/obsidian_snowflake/sets/72157608322579099/detail/)
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KLS said Dan dreamed about DS in the army?? Is this true? Or another Pom Press type bit!?? I was under the impression he was working in TV when the idea came to him?
Thanks Joe and Darren. I enjoyed the video and Darren I really enjoyed hearing about the experience as I was not able to attend! :) Thank you all!! [8_1_202]
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i too was a bit puzzled by that "recollection" of dan dreaming about the idea of ds in the army. i never heard that version before but it would not be the first time kls remembered things a little different than how they actually happened.
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I'm VERY late posting this!!! I already had my plane tickets to fly out to Sacramneto to see my sweetie Joe, then I recieved my "Shadowgram" with info about "the girls" attending the event at the Castro Theatre......we HAD to go!!!!! It was a GREAT time! Lara & Kathryn looked great....as always, and it was AWESOME seeing HODS & NODS on the big screen!!! You see things on the big screen that your NEVER notice on the videos!!!! The theatre was beautiful......they even had an organ player that came up out of the floor!!! I took a few pictures...as soon as I can, I will post them! Darren's presentation was GREAT!!!! I loved seeing the updated footage. He's a great guy, and I can't thank him enough for his hospitality!!!!! [beer] He's got quite a job on his hands!!! And that was my first time viewing "Spider Baby".....LOVED IT!!!! All in all, it was a GREAT weekend! [Bat] [vampy]