DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '08 II => Topic started by: Taeylor Collins on July 24, 2008, 12:17:44 AM
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Barnabas was supposed to be in his early twenties?? LOL
Victoria
Maggie
Carolyn
Elizabeth
Roger
Julia
Professor Stokes
Angelique when she first arrived on the canvas
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At series start/first appearance:
Barnabas: 21-30 (XD)
Victoria: 18-21
Maggie: 18-21
Carolyn: 18-21
Elizabeth: 49 (she lists her age as 50 when she [spoiler]writes it on the list of deceased Collins family members[/spoiler] a year later)
Roger: 40-45
Julia: 43-47
Stokes: 45-65
Angelique: My best guess would be around 18-21 when she became immortal.
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Yeah there were lots of issues with age. I can understand them wanting to make the character Barnabas around 24-25, but once the decided to cast JF for the character, they should've changed plans a little bit. Naomi being supposedly born in 1755 really doesn't work for me at all.
Also, in the mausoleum, long after the 1795 flashback, Naomi's headstone said she died in 1810 or something like that. We all know that isn't true. ots of issues with age. Naomi was supposed to be around 40??
But, according to "Shadows on the wall", I remember something like (in 1966):
Victoria - 22
Maggie - 22
Carolyn - 18
Elizabeth - 56
Roger - 38
The rest I'm not sure, but I'd guess
Julia - 40
Professor Stokes - 50
Angelique when she first arrived on the canvas - 21
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I have a hard time buying Elizabeth as 18 years older than Roger. But hey, I have a hard time buying Barnabas as 12 years older than Sarah, too.
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I have a hard time buying Elizabeth as 18 years older than Roger. But hey, I have a hard time buying Barnabas as 12 years older than Sarah, too.
Yeah I do too. But, supposedly Art Wallace envisioned that age gap. I remember specifically in Shadows On The Wall that he wrote the ages and briefly described the basic characters.
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in the fest topics i was surprised to read that lara was 30 when she joined the series.
"angelique" seemed like a much younger girl(despite being 200 years old).
i recall in 1795 that vicki tells the countess dupres during some sort of inquisition that she was 22 years old.
burke,barnabas and roger always seemed "middle aged" to me even though they were supposed to be younger.
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I think Burke was supposed to be around 35.
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This is the way I figured it (either from the series, or from my own reckoning based upon trying to figure things out from the series [+ or - means maybe more/maybe less; all figures are when the characters joined the series]):
Elizabeth: 49.
Roger 44-.
David: 9.
Carolyn: 19.
Vicki: 21-.
Maggie: 21-.
Sam: 45+/-.
Burke: 35+.
Barnabas: 38+/- (when he died in 1795).
Angelique: 25+/- (in 1795; different ages, such as in PT where she si probably 31+).
Gerard
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During the Paul Stoddard story, Roger reveals that he knows nothing of what went on because he was away at boarding school.
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As established in the 1970PT storyline and explained here Barnabas was supposedly 25 when he was cursed. Though the topic also mentions the caveats of why that might not be so. [ghost_wink]
The interesting thing is I remember Frid commenting more than once that it was fun playing Barnabas as a "youth" in 1795. I thought that was an odd choice of words at the time - but also at the time I'd completely forgotten about the 1970PT gravestone.
As far as the Shadows on the Wall bible goes, at the start of DS:
Victoria is 20 (and that tracks exactly with one of the '66 promos that said that "20-year-old Victoria Winters has come to probe the mystery of her past.")
Maggie is 23
Carolyn is 17
Elizabeth is 56
Roger is 36
Burke is 32
Joe is 21
Sam is 53
Frank is 27
As far as Julia goes, it's almost anyone's guess what age she might be if Barnabas is supposedly only in his mid-20s because quite obviously the age of the actors may have very little to do with their characters' ages. Though we do know that Julia would have had to have completed medical school, her internship & residentcy, etc., so she could easily be 10 years older than Barnabas.
It's also anyone's guess how old Professor Stokes might be.
And one would assume Angelique is close to Josette's age - but who knows...
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As far as the Shadows on the Wall bible goes
This is what I was trying to refer to-- thanks for getting the correct numbers [ghost_wink] I was going from memory
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Thanks guys for all the enthusiastic posts. :) I appreciate it. :)
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Carolyn is 17
I could be wrong, but wasn't Carolyn 2 years old when Paul Stoddard left? Wouldn't that make her a bit older?
Cathy
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Carolyn is 17
I could be wrong, but wasn't Carolyn 2 years old when Paul Stoddard left? Wouldn't that make her a bit older?
MB was stating the ages as they were specified in a manuscript written before the show actually started-- a.k.a. Shadows on the Wall - The DS Bible .
Once the show actually took form certain facts were altered.
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I could be wrong, but wasn't Carolyn 2 years old when Paul Stoddard left? Wouldn't that make her a bit older?
Carolyn's age fluctuates back and forth depending on the storyline. But believe it or not, it's most often established throughout the various storylines that she was 17 when DS began - flashbacks featuring Paul Stoddard and the Leviathans notwithstanding. [ghost_wink]
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Barnabas was of course something like a century and a half old in 1967. Talking about his age in 1967 is pointless. He clearly looked middle-aged though. In 1795 he was considerably younger than middle aged, thanks to some skillful youthing. I think his minimum age in 1795 was 30.
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Wasn't he supposed to have been 27?
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Wasn't he supposed to have been 27?
I somehow read the second page of this thread thinking it was the first. Anyway, I remember reading somewhere that Barnabas was 27 when he was cursed, but I can't say where. I think I'd like that better, he can be in the "27 Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_club) ."
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They say in 1795 that Barnabas and Jeremiah were nearly the same age, based on Jeremiah's gravestone that makes them both 32, I don't think JF could pass for younger than that, though he did look younger in the flashback.
Angelique is 21, as Nicholas later says she was born in 1774, so I assume Josette was, too.
As for Naomi, I guess we can assume she was in her late teens when Barnabas was born, and that Sarah was a miracle, change of life baby, as was she not 10 in 1795??
Not sure about the ages of the modern day Collinses..
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Nicholas can only claim that Angelique was first born in 1774 if we throw the entire Judah Zachery storyline out the window.
I think there's no definite age for any of the characters; the writers chose what they wanted it to be at the time, and if they wanted to change it later, they did.
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MB was stating the ages as they were specified in a manuscript written before the show actually started-- a.k.a. Shadows on the Wall - The DS Bible .
Once the show actually took form certain facts were altered.
Carolyn's age fluctuates back and forth depending on the storyline. But believe it or not, it's most often established throughout the various storylines that she was 17 when DS began - flashbacks featuring Paul Stoddard and the Leviathans notwithstanding. [ghost_wink]
Ah, thanks for the clarifications!
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Geez, how young was Ang in Martinique, if she was 21 in 1795? Was she jail bait? These voyages take awhile, and a fair amount of time has passed since Barnabas was there.
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I seem to remember seeing a family bible or something at some point, pretty sure it was before the 1795 flashback, that said Elizabeth had been born in 1917, Roger in 1922, and Carolyn in 1948 (I think). But for the life of me, I can't remember the context.
It did seem like the writers changed up the character's ages as needed to fit the storyline.
I always figured Barnabas to have been about 30 when he was cursed, and thought Naomi must've been in her late teens when he was born, making her 50ish at her son's "death." Like someone said up thread, Sarah was likely a change of life baby. Always thought there was close to twenty years between Joshua/Abigail and Jeremiah. Maybe the Collins family had a lot of change of life babies in those days before birth control. ;)
Who knows how old Laura Stockbridge Collins Murdoch Collins Murdoch Collins must've been? At least 210 or so at her first appearance on the show. Or does her age reset every time she "flames out?"
And what about the 1897 Collinses? I always figured -
Judith late 40's
Edward mid 40's
Quentin late 20's
Carl mid-late 20's
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Jeremiah must have also been a surprise baby as he and Barnabas are the same age.
There is a large gap between Judith/Edward & Quentin/Carl.
This makes me wonder if Quentin & Carl had a different mother then Judith & Edward .
In 1897, Barnabas refers to Jeremiah marrying Laura in 1785 when he was 10, making him 20 in 1795!
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I've also always wondered if Judith/Edward and Quentin/Carl had different mothers.
I totally can't believe that Barnabas would have been twenty in 1795. Jonathan Frid looked lots younger in the flashback, but not THAT young!
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Actually, as has been discussed on the forum a few times and has also been dealt with in one of Dale Clark's Quentions and Answers books:
I took a look at Dale Clark's DS Book of Questions and Answers Volume 6 which addresses this issue. Here are some excerpts of what Mr. Clark says:
Just because Barnabas was ten when he first saw Laura Stockbridge doesn't necessarily mean that he was ten when she and Jeremiah were married. ...
There are several myths about the DS storylines that seem to get repeated often enough for fans to begin to accept that they happened on the show. ... Another is the myth that Barnabas stated he was 10 years old when Jeremiah and Laura were married-- I'd read this so many times that by the time I finally saw the scene I was expecting to hear it. ...
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As I remember it, Sarah was 11 or 12 when she died, her older brother was 21 years her senior. Now if Naomi had Barnabas when she was 15 or 16, that would make her 48 or 49 when he died. I think Joshua, who spent probably many years building up his wealth, probably married much later in life and he would have selected a presumably much younger woman as his wife. I believe that Josette would have been considerably much younger than Barnabas and it didn't present a problem as men of wealth often selected younger women for mates during that era. I find it interesting that Barnabas was traveling to Martinique in the first place. Perhaps Joshua had plantations in that area and Barnabas was sent down there to tend the family business.
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In her book, Angelique's Descent, Lara Parker had Barnabas first meeting Angelique as a little girl when he was in Martinique while a member of the spanking brand new US navy. He returned later to do exactly what you said: chalk up business for daddy's merchant fleet.
Gerard
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Lara Parker is also writing a novel about Elizabeth and Quentin in the 1920s. If she has Elizabeth as a young adult in that novel, that throws Elizabeth's 1917 birth into question. [ghost_wacko]
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But the grave in 1970PT doesn't mean that it is our RT Barnabas age.
I also got the idea that Barnabas waited a while to get married and that
was a problem with Joshua.
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Lara Parker is also writing a novel about Elizabeth and Quentin in the 1920s. If she has Elizabeth as a young adult in that novel, that throws Elizabeth's 1917 birth into question. [ghost_wacko]
I started to write, as a hobby, an epic novel about the Collins family from 1918 (the end of WWI and the beginning of the influenza epidemic) through 1949 called Occasion of Sin. I placed Elizabeth as being born in 1917 as the series stated. I got through almost 200 pages of it (and that only took us to 1932 before I stopped since the HarperCollins series had ended). I included even Carl Collins (since it took place before Barnabas returned to the past and, welll, you know), among many other characters, including Jamison and Norah. I was in contact with Denise Nickerson at the time and asked her advice on how I was developing her character and she was very supportive.
Gerard
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I would love to know more about the young Elizabeth and Roger and their development. Roger commented once about being fearful of Collinwood as a young boy. Liz would have been about 28/29 when Carolyn was born if the family bible is to be believed. Liz was groomed for leadership of the family businesses by her father because apparently Roger was a problem. It's interesting that David was heir apparent to take over Collins Enterprises instead of Carolyn.
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I have a hard time buying Elizabeth as 18 years older than Roger. But hey, I have a hard time buying Barnabas as 12 years older than Sarah, too.
Bennett was 13 years older than Louis Edmonds.
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Additionally a problem with Jeremiah and Laura is that in 1795 there is no mention of his having been married before....so maybe the person who had the idea Barnabas may have met Laura when he was 10 but maybe she was not married to Jeremiah might make sense, if say in reality Jeremiah was a couple of years older than Barnabas, which might be the case, they could have ALMOST been the same ages...
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i can certainly buy carolyn as "17" when the series began.
in the early episodes she very much played the character like a teenager.