DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '08 II => Topic started by: Joeytrom on July 05, 2008, 04:47:20 PM
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How is it that Angelique can see herself in the mirror when other vampires couldn't? Is it because the mirror is Nicholas' that he made it so?
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I think it was just a total goof -- a blooper. When she looked into the mirror, it wasn't so she could see herself. It was so she could find out what was going on in the basement of the Old House with the experiment. That she was reflected in the mirror was accidental, but very visible to us in that it was WRONG! LOL. [ghost_cheesy]
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Doesn't the same thing happen in a mirror in the lab?
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Yes, I think Jeff even spots her in it. [ghost_cheesy]
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Well I thought she wasn't a witch anymore, just a vampire. So how could she have the power to find out
what is going on through the mirror? I never known vampires to do something like that.
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The mirror was doing it.
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Well I thought she wasn't a witch anymore, just a vampire. So how could she have the power to find out
what is going on through the mirror? I never known vampires to do something like that.
Yeah, and also how did she have the power to
[spoiler]
send Eve back in time temporarily
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I'll bet Barnabas would have liked to have that power as a vampire...
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The mirror was doing it.
Yes but still where did she get the power to look into the mirror? Can a mortal do the samething? I
thought the mirror was under Nicolas power.
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Yes, it was self-service for anyone apparently.
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It was the same mirror Miss LuAnn used at the end of Romper Room to see all the little tykes out there in TV land who were watching. "I see Tommy, and Susie, and Mikie, and Mary..." I remember when, on occasion, she would say my name and I'd run into the kitchen shouting "Mamma! Mamma! Miss LuAnn saw me! She saw me!"
Gerard
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She never saw me on Romper Room. I waited and waited, but she (I remember Miss Jean, not Miss LuAnn) never did.
Midnite's right (of course!), they had fun showing Angelique in the mirror in the lab in the Old House basement. I think the very-powerful Nicholas must have given Angelique an alternate strain of vampirism so that she would be more aware of her plight than the average vampire was, and the ability to see herself in a mirror was part of the package.
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I always wondered how in the heck could Angelique see herself in mirrors once she had become a vampire? Maybe she was a bit half-witch/half-vampire and her witchy side enabled her to see herself and use Nicholas' mirror? [ghost_huh] I'm stretching here, I know. [ghost_undecided]
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If she needed and had witch poweers to use the mirror, couldn't she have made one of her own?
If a vampire spray painted his/her own face first, could she/he see itself in the mirror?
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If a vampire spray painted his/her own face first, could she/he see itself in the mirror?
Hmm, interesting question. Barn is the one vamp that we know for sure doesn't have a reflection (the majority of the time, anyway) and we don't see his eyeliner. j/k But we don't see his clothes either.
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ALL the Vampires on DS showed reflections in mirrors ... unless somebody was out to prove they were a vampire, in which case, they didn't (for about ten seconds).
I remember one of the first technical details I learned about DS was how heavily the cameramen and directors relied upon shots done in mirrors. It helped open up what was really a very restricted amount of space in the studio.
G.
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But we don't see his clothes either.
I've always wondered about that in vampiredom. Okay, so you can't see their reflections in mirrors, but why not their clothes? They should all look like the invisible man. Now, take for example, Barnabas' cane. Does it vanish when he's holding it, but suddenly appear when he puts it down? What about his cape-coat? When he takes it off and hangs it up, does it appear? What if he (or any vampire, for that matter) touches a piece of furniture? Will it vanish? Just what are the rules about this anyway?
Gerard
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Curtis's Law of Vampire Reflections states, "Shut up and pretend you didn't see anything."
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I always wondered how in the heck could Angelique see herself in mirrors once she had become a vampire? Maybe she was a bit half-witch/half-vampire and her witchy side enabled her to see herself and use Nicholas' mirror? [ghost_huh] I'm stretching here, I know. [ghost_undecided]
On Charmed [spoiler] Phoebe was able to help complete a POWER OF THREE SPELL when she was half witch/half mermaid. [/spoiler] Maybe Angie was half and half.
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I was wondering about that myself. Although she was a vampire, maybe Nicolas did'nt take away all
of her witching powers.
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It wasn't a real, normal, physical mirror. It was a magical device which didn't work by reflecting light, but by supernaturally depicting the user or the desired target. How 'bout that one? Anyone salutring that one?
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That works for Nicholas's Magic Mirror, but Jeff shouldn't have been able to see Angelique in the lab's mirror.
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Also since Angelique apparently maintained some time-travel powers after becoming a vampire, I don't see why she didn't travel back to a few weeks earlier and prevent herself from becoming a vampire.
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That whole mirror thing needs to be revamped anyway. I can understand a vampire not have a reflection but the clothing should be there. [ghost_rolleyes]
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There is the possibility that some kind of anti-reflection chemical ekes out of vampires onto their clothing.
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Now there is something that I haven't thought of. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Think of the problems that could result from Barnabas lending someone his coat. [ghost_tongue2]
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Barnabas exhibited non-vampire related supernatural powers (think his Magic-Number-Of-The-Universe and using the Egyptian Book of the Dead to summon Laura Stockbridge Collins' spirit), so being a vampire doesn't preclude someone from commanding mystical powers, just as being a human doesn't (think Quentin and Stokes).
And so far as Angelique's time traveling powers went, recall that she needed Nicholas' medallion for that, so apparently the power was all in the medallion, and all someone need do was harness it.
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That whole mirror thing needs to be revamped anyway. I can understand a vampire not have a reflection but the clothing should be there. [ghost_rolleyes]
Not when you're dealing with the supernatural. The Invisible Man may have had to follow straighforward logic, but magic deals with essences, and what's meaningful and significant, not substances, light rays and molecules. The meaningful "you" is you with characteristic clothes, you as you see yourself in the mirror, what "you" are to yourself and others. You can't apply even simple physics to magic.
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for all the enquiring minds:
most of vampire lore was started by Bram Stoker in Dracula. vampire stories legends and lore that were written before dracula never dealt with those facts. stoker made up the rule about mirrors, daylight etc for his book.
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As everyone knows, Dark Shadows' timeline is constantly in flux. I'm proposing that several people went back to when vampires were first created and altered their process of creation enough to change the mirror bit to "reflections on" or "reflections off," and this happened repeatedly. Plausible within the realm of DS, no?
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A familiar reminder to all who have spent time in Hell:
“Please remember to turn the vampire reflections OFF when you leave the batroom.”