DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '02 I => Topic started by: HobbiesDS on May 27, 2002, 07:54:48 PM
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I have a question that I'm sure someone out there can shed some light on or give their opinions.
Before 1795 David was terrified of Barnabas. They were having the seance to see what they could find out to help David - then 1795.
Well when Vicki returns to the present David's fear of Barnabas seems to be gone. Any idea how he overcame being frightened of his cousin the Vampire??
HobbiesDS
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I have a question that I'm sure someone out there can shed some light on or give their opinions.
Before 1795 David was terrified of Barnabas. They were having the seance to see what they could find out to help David - then 1795.
Well when Vicki returns to the present David's fear of Barnabas seems to be gone. Any idea how he overcame being frightened of his cousin the Vampire??
HobbiesDS
David's fear of Barnabas simply disappeared without any kind of explaination. As I mentioned in another post, this seems to me to be an example of really poor writing.
Since David was not seen onscreen for a while after Vicki's return to the present, they could have mentioned that he was off receiving treatment, during which he overcame his fears. Perhaps not an entirely satisfactory explaination, but still better than leaving such a major plotline unresolved.
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At this point in the storyline Roger (never the best father) is married to Cassandra. David feels threatened by Cassandra (as he should be). So does Barnabas--he knows Cassandra is really Angelique. [vryevl] David and Barnabas have this in common--their suspicion of Cassandra/Angelique. Perhaps David senses that he can more readily trust Barnabas than Roger. Also as others have mentioned the writers changed the direction of the storyline. :-/
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Well, they did a good job recapping and taking care of the threat toward Julia from Barney and Caroline. This one they rather just dropped with the absence and then return of David. However, with a child's attention span (or mine for that matter) and with the introduction of another frightening character, I think this isn't all that big a blunder.
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They simply seemed to drop the "David fearing Barnabas" storyline. Barnabas is human now, so perhaps the boy senses there is no reason to fear him. Children are generally very sensitive to such things.
Love, Robin
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They simply seemed to drop the "David fearing Barnabas" storyline. Barnabas is human now, so perhaps the boy senses there is no reason to fear him. Children are generally very sensitive to such things.
Love, Robin
I agree Robin makes the most sense!
jennifer
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I could actually understand this [*gasp*]...after all, Roger had a gun aimed at Adam, so obviously I wouldn't run 2 him, even if I were scared of Barnabus, and also Barnabus is the one who just saved his life by calming Adam down. Of course, once you throw in the fact that David is freaking TERRIFIED of Barnabus and thinks [thought!!] that Barnabus wanted 2 kill him, it makes NO SENSE, but the writers 4got that David was afraid of Barnabus just like they forgot that LIZ IS NOT NAOMI!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG THEY KILLED HER CHAR!!!!! They Naomi-ized her!!! She's so weak now!!! UUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHH *throws stuff*[/b]
*inhales* But it did make a lil sense 2 me, @ least when I was watching it. Would u run 2 a man who had a gun aimed and was threatening 2 fire it?? Not me, I don't have a death wish.
Although I think Cassie might....giving David a knife!!!! OMG she's insane! I guess since they've only known each other like.....a WEEK, Roger forgot to mention that David tried 2 kill him once up a time........ laaa deee daaa amazing how these things are 4gotten...... :-
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LIZ IS NOT NAOMI!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG THEY KILLED HER CHAR!!!!! They Naomi-ized her!!! She's so weak now!!! UUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHH *throws stuff*[/b]
I'll brace you for it now: Liz and Cassandra have a storyline coming up real soon that you probably won't like. Sacreligious as it may be, I think I'm going to have to FF through that part.
Although I think Cassie might....giving David a knife!!!! OMG she's insane! I guess since they've only known each other like.....a WEEK, Roger forgot to mention that David tried 2 kill him once up a time........ laaa deee daaa amazing how these things are 4gotten...... :-
I chuckled about that. When Roger told Cassandra that David wouldn't bite her during their introductions, I could only think, "No, but he'll take the bleeder valve out of your car, lock you in an abandoned room, and generally threaten your life when he's not making it a living hell." Too bad that Cassandra didn't come into their lives during the early episodes. Did you see how terrified of her David was? She could have straightened out his bad behavior pretty quickly.
ProfStokes
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I'll brace you for it now: Liz and Cassandra have a storyline coming up real soon that you probably won't like. Sacreligious as it may be, I think I'm going to have to FF through that part.
Oh joy......*skips around in circles* -_- ::)
I chuckled about that. When Roger told Cassandra that David wouldn't bite her during their introductions, I could only think, "No, but he'll take the bleeder valve out of your car, lock you in an abandoned room, and generally threaten your life when he's not making it a living hell." Too bad that Cassandra didn't come into their lives during the early episodes. Did you see how terrified of her David was? She could have straightened out his bad behavior pretty quickly.
LMAO!!!!!!!! I liked David in the early episodes, though. At least he had some distinction in his char: he was a rebel, kinda like the early Carolyn [excluding the whole "BUZZ" thing], and he hated his father, and at least that hatred gave him some sort of INTERESTING characteristics.....now he's like "yeah I love him/her," and yeah, love is great, but on a soap, it's BORING!!!!! I mean, yeah, he was a brat, and he prolly shoulda been sent away, but at least then he was interesting.
I guess the writers didn't like conflict; which is kinda funny, because it actually makes the show more realistic, yet it's so boring. We spend our whole lives running away from conflict, and yet plays are based on human life, but plays are all ABOUT conflict. OOOOOO AN OXYMORON!!!!! LOL I think 2 much 8)
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I liked David in the early episodes, though. At least he had some distinction in his char: he was a rebel, kinda like the early Carolyn [excluding the whole "BUZZ" thing], and he hated his father, and at least that hatred gave him some sort of INTERESTING characteristics.....now he's like "yeah I love him/her," and yeah, love is great, but on a soap, it's BORING!!!!! I mean, yeah, he was a brat, and he prolly shoulda been sent away, but at least then he was interesting.
Yes, those first episodes with "psycho David" are really his best work on the show. From the end of the Laura storyline on, I felt that David Henessy's characters were really watered down and generic. That's why I so enjoy watching him when he's possessed; he has so much more spirit ;) in him.
ProfStokes
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Yes, those first episodes with "psycho David" are really his best work on the show. From the end of the Laura storyline on, I felt that David Henessy's characters were really watered down and generic. That's why I so enjoy watching him when he's possessed; he has so much more spirit ;) in him.
LOLOL I'd imagine. I haven't seen him possessed yet :'( but I'm looking 4ward 2 it. Things get soooo boring with JUST Cassie/Angelique and Barnabus. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz When is he possessed?!?!?!??!? Or is that a SPOILER warning?? HEHEHAHA
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They simply seemed to drop the "David fearing Barnabas" storyline. Barnabas is human now, so perhaps the boy senses there is no reason to fear him. Children are generally very sensitive to such things.
Love, Robin
Robin, I like your explaination more than mine, it makes perfect sense! Probably better than whatever the writers would have come up with, had they chosen to resolve the plotline.
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I can't remember and perhaps someone else does........what about the ghost of Sarah? Does she come back at all?
Franimal
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No, Sarah is gone by this point in the show. Sharon Smyth was considered to be getting noticeably older, so the character was dropped, even though she had probably served all her potential by that point.
Agreed that the David thing post-1795 is sloppy, but considering that the present day storyline was suspended for close to six months, I think it's pretty impressive how well everything was picked up overall, especially given the usual DS standards of continuity.
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Yes, those first episodes with "psycho David" are really his best work on the show. From the end of the Laura storyline on, I felt that David Henessy's characters were really watered down and generic. That's why I so enjoy watching him when he's possessed; he has so much more spirit ;) in him.
ProfStokes
Something else that was obviously dropped - in the very early episodes Roger hints that Burke Devlin might actually be David's biological father. Seems Laura was dating Burke right before he went to jail, and then she married Roger instead. Hmmm. David and Burke did in fact share a much closer relationship than David and Roger ever did, and Burke was a better father figure too. I think they were originally heading in this direction in the beginning.
Lots of loose threads never tied up . . . they really should have recast the character of Burke again after Anthony George left the show. Heck they had 3 Woodards and 3 Vickis so why not 3 Burkes?
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Something else that was obviously dropped - in the very early episodes Roger hints that Burke Devlin might actually be David's biological father. Seems Laura was dating Burke right before he went to jail, and then she married Roger instead. Hmmm. David and Burke did in fact share a much closer relationship than David and Roger ever did, and Burke was a better father figure too. I think they were originally heading in this direction in the beginning.
Lots of loose threads never tied up . . . they really should have recast the character of Burke again after Anthony George left the show. Heck they had 3 Woodards and 3 Vickis so why not 3 Burkes?
I wonder if they ever would have resolved this storyline (as well as the question of Vicki's parentage) even if they had kept the characters of Burke and Vicki on the show. At this point, more and more supernatural characters and stories were being introduced, due to the huge success of Barnabas, and the show no longer seemed as interested in dealing with the non-supernatural elements.
Personally, I enjoyed the show when there was a mixture of supernatural and non-supernatural stories. One of my favorite periods on the show was when the introduction of Barnabas and Jason McGuire stories were being played out simultaneously. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
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I liked the show better when it was more of a spooky old house gothic drama. [spidr]
Jason Maguire was one of my favorite characters(a non-supernatural villain). [vryevl]. He and Willie were good together--there was great chemistry between them. 8)
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I wonder if they ever would have resolved this storyline (as well as the question of Vicki's parentage) even if they had kept the characters of Burke and Vicki on the show.
It's interesting to speculate what would have happened if Anthony George had remained on the show. His exit necessitated a re-write of history, since Jeremiah lived to a ripe old age in the original version. I suspect Jeremiah and Victoria would have fallen in love and they never would have invented the Peter Bradford character. Barnabas and Burke probably would have continued to be rivals for Vicki after she returned to her own time.
Personally, I enjoyed the show when there was a mixture of supernatural and non-supernatural stories. One of my favorite periods on the show was when the introduction of Barnabas and Jason McGuire stories were being played out simultaneously. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I agree. The best story line, IMO, is 1795, which deals with witchcraft and vampirism, but also a heavy dose of "reality," in dealing with characters and their relationships: Joshua and Naomi, Barnabas and Josette, etc. The whole Adam/Frankenstein thing seems like kiddie fare comparatively.
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I have to go with the theory that David forgot or got over all of his fears when he was in Boston. It was a week or so after Vicki returned to the present before we saw David. And then with the Cassandra shock and Adam thing maybe he realized Barnabas was the lesser of the 3 evils. Plus as someone said Barnabas was now "cured" and walking around during the day.
*What happened to Vicki during this storyline? She seems to be noticeably absent. *Is this near the time when she is thinking of leaving? Does she have another storyline other than planning on marrying Jeff Clark before she leaves?? 8)
HobbieDS
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More thoughts than usual from me:
LIZ IS NOT NAOMI!!!!!!!!!!!! OMG THEY KILLED HER CHAR!!!!! They Naomi-ized her!!! She's so weak now!!! UUUUUGGGGHHHHHHHH *throws stuff*[/b]
I thought Liz was being watered down as a character before 1795, actually. She sorta went down the same path as Burke, her original nemesis, when they brought on Anthony George. The whole, "I'll let the guy who's out to destroy my family marry my illegitimate daughter and give them a house beacuse they're so *cute* together!" thing very un-Liz-like.
Come to think of it, they did it to just about every original character. Liz, Burke, Roger, Sam Evans and even Carolyn had their dark sides that were done away with in some form.
Lots of loose threads never tied up . . . they really should have recast the character of Burke again after Anthony George left the show. Heck they had 3 Woodards and 3 Vickis so why not 3 Burkes?
That was strange. Its not like they gave him the classic Frank Garner/Sarah treatment, they sent him on a plane and crashed it in the amazon. Clearly a calculated move by the shows producers, maybe they just didn't think he fit in, or maybe DC owed Roger Davis his soul and had to give him a spot. I don't know.
I liked the show better when it was more of a spooky old house gothic drama.
I confess, I've always felt the same way (I'm such a bad DS fan :'().
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They simply seemed to drop the "David fearing Barnabas" storyline. Barnabas is human now, so perhaps the boy senses there is no reason to fear him. Children are generally very sensitive to such things.
Love, Robin
Robin, that is a wonderful explanation! With little information we have to go on regarding David's fear of Barnabas, this by far makes the most sense. ;)
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Maybe Timothy Gordon could have played Burke after Anthony George left and there would be no plane crash.(I don't know what he looked like back then though).
The writers Pre-1795 and Post Barnabas were Malcolm Mamorstein, Joe Caldwell, and Ron Sproat. Gordon Russell replaced MM sometime in July 1967 and Sam Hall came on a couple of weeks prior to 1795 and replaced JC.
Russell and Hall may not have liked the direction the show was in and they changed it...its not uncommon on soaps when new writers come on the scene.
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Personally, I enjoyed the show when there was a mixture of supernatural and non-supernatural stories. One of my favorite periods on the show was when the introduction of Barnabas and Jason McGuire stories were being played out simultaneously. Anyone have any thoughts on this?
I think if they had done this, the show would have lasted at least another five years, if not more. But then you are preaching to the choir, MikeS :)
Luciaphil