DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '07 I => Topic started by: dom on February 08, 2007, 08:06:46 PM
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Because I am cornfused. [confused2]
I love watching these old episodes again and complete episodes, not the chopped up ones from the videos. Why they did that I will never understand!
I thought it was the DVDs that were cut. I thought the videos were more complete?
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Perhaps Alondra was talking about the early VHS releases that were edited to focus on the Barnabas story?
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Hi Dom,
I can understand why you're confused. What she means is that the old VHS release of the series (the tapes that started coming out way back in '89) were edited so that most of the Jason Maguire story was left out, and even non-Barnabas scenes of episodes featuring Barn were sometimes eliminated. I guess that initially, MPI execs thought the only reason why anyone would buy the tapes would be to see Barnabas. They had not yet figured out that there are fans here who want to see every second of DS--bloopers and all!
I don't own the new volume one DVD set from 1966, but from what I have been able to determine, a technical glitch led to ONE disc of that set getting a few seconds edited out of the closing moments of each episode. (I actually think I have an idea of how it happened--the people producing the discs may have inadvertently forgotten to re-set the defaults on a day when they had just been processing something that involved a "mix" feature on one of their editing machines. This happened to a friend of mine recently when he burned a CD for me.)
Just to add a further wrinkle of complexity, we've also been discussing how the DVD issue of the 1991 remake failed to include deleted scenes that were incorporated into the VHS release for that series. In the case of 1991, the VHS release IS more complete, both in terms of deleted scenes and in terms of image presentation (the DVD of this show was cropped to turn it into a "faux widescreen" look).
Hope this helps!
G.
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Those first 7 or 8 tapes in the first VHS series released, which were edited, and which have DS in red letters on the box, most of them, were replaced later by the DS "Collector's Series", with a different numbering system (I think the same time period had #s in the 40s and 50s) and DS in blue letters on the box. These are unedited and even have extra little bits such as the director's snap thing that has the basic info. on the episode on it-- that thing that's an old movie-making cliche. There may have been promos for episodes too. I imagine these were left off of the DVDs.
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on the other hand, Sci Fi and local TV stations edited DS for years to throw in more commercials.
Whatever occasional edits are on the DVDs, the eps are still far more complete than what I saw on Sci-Fi, or on WNBC in New York in 1982, or channel 20 in San Francisco in the late 80s!
David
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Thanks guys. That never even occured to me (obviously). ::)
So then the DVDs start with Barn's intro unedited? Great, because I was wondering about that also. I am recieving the 'Beginning' DVDs and I probably won't be able to stop at Barn's intro and I was wondering how they were going to handle that transition (thinking the Barn's were edited on the DVDs also).
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Sci Fi ... edited DS
A certain someone we all know "reworked" the DS episodes for Sci-Fi.
(We've mentioned that a few times on the forum. So, if you can't figure out on your own who that was (though it should be obvious to almost everyone ;)), it shouldn't be too hard to use the forum's Search feature to find those posts.)
So then the DVDs start with Barn's intro unedited?
Yup. :)
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Love the avatar and motto under it, dom and arashi!
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Thanks MB.
Thanks MT.
I wonder if Petofi & G Trask ever crossed paths? One would think so, but I don't remember. Though if they had, one would think one would remember, wouldn't one? (yes, I am being nauseating on purpose)
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wow i am sure glad i put all the collectors series volume 1-54 on DVD a year ago.....
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On a somewhat related subject, has anyone compiled a list of all the major flubs/bloopers/miscues and compared it to what was edited on the dvds?
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I thought it was the DVDs that were cut. I thought the videos were more complete?
Looks like this has been answered by others. Boy are we a lotta DS experts or what? Yeah the first 8 videos are edited to concentrate more on Barnabas and less on the rest of the storyline. And to think I paid about 20 bucks for each of these when MPI first started releasing them! Later they did release the complete episodes on the collector's series tapes. This is approximiately episodes #210-#275 which are edited on these first 8 tapes. They are complete now on the DVD's which is great. That's what I was referring to. I had been watching these episodes on the tapes for so long that I had forgotten several scenes that were not included on the tapes, and now watching DVD collection #1 it's really great to see ALL of it. I recall becoming very bored during the time [spoiler]Maggie is being kept in the cellar downstairs[/spoiler] since that's all we see, and I'm wondering what's happening at Collinwood during that time. They cut a lot of the Jason blackmail thing and I'm as interested in that as in the Barnabas Maggie Willie story. I'm so glad I was able to get the DVD's.
Alondra
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I have the series on VHS. I hate video tapes now that DVDs have been invented. I'd sell them if I weren't so attached to the boxes (especially the blue Collector's Series), as most of the cover photo's are to die for. And I doubt I'll get the complete series on DVD. But really, how & where do you stop, you know? I'll have to traipse on over to MPI's site and see how the series is broken down on the DVDs. It's so easy to say I don't like this storyline or that, but still, every storyline has periods that are hard to say no to. I'd be inclined to stop at the end of Leviathan's or maybe 1995. I can do without PT 70, 1840, & PT 1841. I don't remember where 1995 fits in sequence wise.
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I can do without PT 70, 1840, & 1841.
Bite your tongue! :o (Or should that be sprain your fingers?) Those storylines contain some of my favorite stuff as well as some absolutely wonderful performances that should never be missed. And they should be on the list on every serious DS collector. ;)
We may have to rethink your status around here if you ever repeat such blasphemy again! ;D >:D :P
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I have the series on VHS. I hate video tapes now that DVDs have been invented. I'd sell them if I weren't so attached to the boxes (especially the blue Collector's Series), as most of the cover photo's are to die for. And I doubt I'll get the complete series on DVD. But really, how & where do you stop, you know? I'll have to traipse on over to MPI's site and see how the series is broken down on the DVDs. It's so easy to say I don't like this storyline or that, but still, every storyline has periods that are hard to say no to. I'd be inclined to stop at the end of Leviathan's or maybe 1995. I can do without PT 70, 1840, & PT 1841. I don't remember where 1995 fits in sequence wise.
You have a point there. I plan to eventually sell my MPI videos on ebay but I will regret giving up the pix on the front covers. The DVD collections don't have anything nearly so nice. Just some dippy postcard thing and most of them are not that great. And they're in black and white. But I love the DVD's much more than the tapes.
As for where you stop, you don't. I've suggested to people that you find some way to save back a few bucks a week, make some kind of sacrifice and save til you can buy a set. Deep Discount has them the cheapest IF they send you the right set. One of the sets they sent me was wrong and they never made it right though eventually they refunded my money, only after a couple months of the runaround. I then purchased the right set on amazon. I'd go with amazon or deep discount. You might could get it a bit cheaper on amazon if you buy it used. Some of mine were used but they're all good, I haven't had any problem with them. (knock on wood)
As for the sequence, you have 1970 parallel time, then 1995, then summer of '70, then 1840, then 1841 parallel time.
Alondra
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Bite your tongue! :o (Or should that be sprain your fingers?) Those storylines contain some of my favorite stuff as well as some absolutely wonderful performances that should never be missed. And they should be on the list on every serious DS collector. ;)
It always amazes me, MB, (but never surprises me, because you are a rare bird) that you especially like PT '70 & PT '41. We became friends via DS and yet, this is something I didn't know about you until just weeks ago.
My favorite thing about PT '41 is that we learn [spoiler]Barn & Josette did marry and live happily until Barn's death.[/spoiler]
It just came to mind that PT '41 is the only PT timeline that doesn't have any time travelers in it. Am I right?
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I've been giving my old VHS tapes away to a friend as I've been acquiring the DVDs, but I will probably keep the 3 or 4 tapes that have Grayson Hall on the cover photo (even though the images they chose do quite a disservice to the Divine One's beauty, in my not-so-humble-opinion).
G.
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As for where you stop, you don't.
Exactly!
Listen to Alondra here, people - she is a voice of sanity on this issue.
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As for where you stop, you don't.
Exactly!
Listen to Alondra here, people - she is a voice of sanity on this issue.
Why thank you MB!!!
Alondra ;D
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you are a rare bird
I'll take that as the compliment I know you meant it as. :D
you especially like PT '70 & PT '41.
I especially like 1970PT. I count it as one of my favorite storylines. 1841PT I enjoy and certainly appreciate. It's not among my top 5 - but nor is it among my least favorite. And even my least favorite (which everyone should know by now because I've posted about it often enough) has many wonderful moments, so I would never ever pass up buying it on DVD. ;)
It just came to mind that PT '41 is the only PT timeline that doesn't have any time travelers in it. Am I right?
It has two characters who pop in briefly, and another who dies there - but there aren't any ongoing characters from another time period/band.
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If I point out that I've never owned 10 seconds of the show, on ANY format, will I be summarily drummed out of the forum?
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No - but only because you have excellent reasons as to why you've yet to purchase any tapes or DVDs. ;D You've never once said that you wouldn't buy them.
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No - but only because you have excellent reasons as to why you've yet to purchase any tapes or DVDs. ;D You've never once said that you wouldn't buy them.
Oh, Thank Goddess.....where else would I go to get my "fix"??!! [vryevl]
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you are a rare bird
I'll take that as the compliment I know you meant it as. :D
Heheh, I looked it up to make sure I had the right phrase and that it was indeed generally accepted as complimentary. (Mama didn't raise no fool, lol.) ;D
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I'd sell them if I weren't so attached to the boxes
Dom, this is the problem I have w/my 1841 PT tapes. I bought all 10 tapes that contain 1841 PT but now have that plotline on volumes 25 and 26 of the DVD's. But I like the box art on the tapes so am not sure I want to sell them. :-
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My favorite thing about PT '41 is that we learn [spoiler]Barn & Josette did marry and live happily until Barn's death.[/spoiler]
and the funny thing about that
[spoiler]is from the screencap I have seen of the Elder Josette (very serene and regal looking, btw) it looks as though Josette's hair is blond gone gray rather than brunette gone gray. Maybe PT Josette was blond and so Barn wasn't tempted to test the adage "blonds have more fun" with Angelique?[/spoiler] ;D
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Elder Josette looks as though her hair is blond gone gray rather than brunette gone gray. Maybe PT Josette was blond and so Barn wasn't tempted to test the adage "blonds have more fun" with Angelique?
An interesting theory Nelson. Someone should write a fan fiction story about PT Barnabas and Josette in 1795 PT. ;)
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I have to agree with MB about 1970PT. I think it's one of the best storylines on DS. It's a simply murder mystery, but with a good DS twist infused in there. Suspicion passes from one person to the next as several people claim to "know" who's killed Angelique, and this leads to several characters' death, who, in RT, have never been killed. The killing of this "mainstream" characters is shocking, even though we know in RT that they are still alive and well.
I like this storyline not only because of it's simple nature, but also because it's so tightly contained. It's not like 1897 that stretched on for 9 months (or some absurd amount of time). It lasted for it's run and was well played by all the actors. And although the absense of many of the shows more popular characters in the beginning of the arc posed a problem because it felt awkward at first, it gave room for Quentin and Angelique to shine brilliantly.
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I have to agree with MB about 1970PT. I think it's one of the best storylines on DS. It's a simply murder mystery, but with a good DS twist infused in there. Suspicion passes from one person to the next as several people claim to "know" who's killed Angelique, and this leads to several characters' death, who, in RT, have never been killed. The killing of this "mainstream" characters is shocking, even though we know in RT that they are still alive and well.
I like this storyline not only because of it's simple nature, but also because it's so tightly contained. It's not like 1897 that stretched on for 9 months (or some absurd amount of time). It lasted for it's run and was well played by all the actors. And although the absense of many of the shows more popular characters in the beginning of the arc posed a problem because it felt awkward at first, it gave room for Quentin and Angelique to shine brilliantly.
I agree. It's one of my favorite storylines too. I love Quentin as master of Collinwood though I hated how he treated his wife. There are a lot of things about that relationship that puzzle me but I won't go into all that, I've belabored that point in many places.
The whole scene with [spoiler]Angelique and Alexis and how Angelique forces her sister to take her place in the coffin is riveting. Lara is playing both roles but it's clearly two different people. It's awesome. And where but DS are you going to find lines like this that make perfect sense? "I was murdered. I have to find out who my murderer was."[/spoiler]
Though I miss JK for a lot of this storyline, I think that David Selby, Lara Parker and Chris Pennock picked up the slack and did a great job of it. I didn't even really miss Barnabas.
Alondra
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Thanks for the credit dom!
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Sorry everybody, but I just was never a fan of Parallel Time in 1970.
I hated 1970 PT for the following reasons:
1.Because most of my beloved characters were gone for most of the storyline.
2.I didn't like the storylines (the Jekyll/Hyde and Rebecca subplots).
3.Seeing Quentin act like such a grade-A prick and treat Maggie lower than dirt.
Now I wasn't expecting to like 1841 PT after being disappointed with 1970 PT but surprising enough I did. I am glad that Jonathan got a chance to play another character, totally different from Barnabas. And I loved his pairing with Lara as Catharine.....and of course I loved John and Nancy as Kendrick and Melanie (they are soooo cute together no matter who they played). Plus the lottery storyline I found fascinating.
And I know many didn't like the Morgan character (even those who do like 1841PT) or Keith Prentice but I thought he did very well in the role.
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But who could resist Hoffman, the housekeeper who gave Dame Judith Anderson a run for her money in the "cold, calculated sneer" department?
And Aunt Hannah, with her Psychedelic Witch-a-rama wardrobe?
And Angelexis, in HER Peter Max on acid wardrobe?
And Bruno, who gave new meaning to the concept of Big Hair?
And that orange sports-coat of Quentin's that seemed to have a life of its own?
And PT Roger, who suggested the obscene lovechild of Addison de Wit and Clfiton Webb?
I could go on, but I'll spare those of you who AREN'T fans of this fabulous storyline...
G.
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Oh no please, do go on. Just because I didn't like 1970 PT I don't want others who did like it to be discouraged from talking about what they love about it.
So rave on, Gothick! [knockwood]
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Sorry everybody, but I just was never a fan of Parallel Time in 1970. I hated 1970 PT for the following reasons:
1.Because most of my beloved characters were gone for most of the storyline.
2.I didn't like the storylines (the Jekyll/Hyde and Rebecca subplots).
3.Seeing Quentin act like such a grade-A prick and treat Maggie lower than dirt.
Now I wasn't expecting to like 1841 PT after being disappointed with 1970 PT but surprising enough I did. I am glad that Jonathan got a chance to play another character, totally different from Barnabas. And I loved his pairing with Lara as Catharine.....and of course I loved John and Nancy as Kendrick and Melanie (they are soooo cute together no matter who they played). Plus the lottery storyline I found fascinating. And I know many didn't like the Morgan character (even those who do like 1841PT) or Keith Prentice but I thought he did very well in the role.
I'm totally w/ya ILB, and for the same reasons. I, like you, DID like 1841 PT as well, hell, I LOVED it! And although I didn't like Morgan, I *adored* Keith Prentice, who wouldn't, he was GGGGGGGGORGEOUS! ;D I also enjoyed seeing JF in a different, and, shall I say it, SEXY role and his pairing w/Lara as Catherine just puts the icing on the cake. I also enjoyed Nancy and Johnny together, they had great chemistry! It's no wonder you liked the plotline, seeing as it was a combination of 2 fabulous stories. Wuthering Heights and Shirley Jackson's The Lottery. You have exceptional taste! ;)
But who could resist Hoffman, the housekeeper who gave Dame Judith Anderson a run for her money in the "cold, calculated sneer" department?
And Aunt Hannah, with her Psychedelic Witch-a-rama wardrobe? And Angelexis, in HER Peter Max on acid wardrobe? And Bruno, who gave new meaning to the concept of Big Hair? And that orange sports-coat of Quentin's that seemed to have a life of its own? And PT Roger, who suggested the obscene lovechild of Addison de Wit and Clfiton Webb?
I could go on, but I'll spare those of you who AREN'T fans of this fabulous storyline...
Preach on brother! Although I did not like this plotline one bit, the things you mention I did like about it. ;)
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Thanks Buzz! You're too kind. [knockwood]
I must confess I never read Wuthering Heights or The Lottery, but now I think I'd be interested in reading them.
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Thanks for the credit dom!
You're welcome. :D
And thank you for being so generous. :)
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Buzz, if you're talking about the short story "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson(?), it's one of my FAVORITE of ALL TIME, and ILB, you MUST read it.
And Bruno DEFINITELY gave new meaning to the words "BIG HAIR". Flap it in the wind! (On a side note: It's a good thing he didn't have any love scenes with Roger Davis *snigger*)
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Advice to anyone who enjoys these stotylines that were pulled from the Curtis rolodex.... don't read the books or see the films they came from, unless you can stand to have these storylines ruined for you, or unless you have reason to believe that your suspension-of-disbelief isn't damaged by things like that.
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Buzz, if you're talking about the short story "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson
I am indeed, and it is a great story isn't it? ;)
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I don't either! We can go together if that's the case!
Nancy
If I point out that I've never owned 10 seconds of the show, on ANY format, will I be summarily drummed out of the forum?
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Hmmf......no more canoli's for YOU!!! >:D
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[bawling2]
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If I point out that I've never owned 10 seconds of the show, on ANY format, will I be summarily drummed out of the forum?
I don't either! We can go together if that's the case!
We'll probably need disguises for the next Fest......snort!! [lghy]
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Buzz, if you're talking about the short story "The Lottery" by Shirley Jackson
I am indeed, and it is a great story isn't it? ;)
Here is a link where you can read it online.
http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/lotry.html
I hope this works. If not, google it.
When I first read this story in high school it haunted me for days. I don't think the DS version is very similar at all, except for the fact that [spoiler]in both stories it was NOT a good thing to win the lottery![/spoiler]
Alondra :-[
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The story was interesting and disturbing. Here is an interesting fact
[spoiler]The morning of June 27th was clear and sunny, with the fresh warmth of a full-summer day; the flowers were blossoming profusely and the grass was richly green[/spoiler] >:D >:D
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Hey wait a minute! June 27 is the date on which a certain show we all know and love debuted!!! Coincidence???
Alondra :o
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LOL, loril54i. I didn't make the connection to the anniversary of DS when I read it. ::)
I don't think the DS version is very similar at all, except for the fact that [spoiler]in both stories it was NOT a good thing to win the lottery![/spoiler]
I think there are several similar themes-- the idea of keeping a secret, the cruelty to one another as families blindly follow tradition (the older generation being particularly accepting of both) or the evil nature that can lurk behind rituals, the beautiful house (on DS)/beautiful summer day and bustling activity as a foreshadowing of evil, etc.
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When I first read this story in high school it haunted me for days.
Indeed Alondra, I was an English major in college and read it then. It was an awesome, albeit disturbing, tale. :-
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It is interesting what people do because they are afraid to break a tradition. All the things that people do because they can't say stop. As teenagers we all thought that we were breaking traditions and then we started our own. Maybe why that is why DS was so popular.
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Dom, I just wanted to tell you I like your new avatar and caption!! I can see that happening. [smirk]
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Hey, thanks Jackie (and a belated thanks to Midnite!). I saw it on the avatar site CastleBee shared with us a bit ago. As soon as I saw it I knew what I had to do, lol. It was your current home-made avatar that inspired me to bring my idea to fruition.
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I'm reading a Julia/Barnabas fanfic where they go on adventure after adventure. Barnabas learned to drive, ride a motorcycle and somewhat learning to fly a small aircraft. It's lot of fun to imagine our 18th century man doing these 20th century activities.
[iroc]
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Barnabas being able to drive always seemed ludicrous to me as a kid. Even now it strikes me as something Barn would opt out of learning.