DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '07 I => Topic started by: Alondra on January 30, 2007, 01:30:27 AM
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This is my first time starting a topic so I hope I do it right.
I have often thought it rather amazing that every time Barnabas and Julia travel to parallel time or the past that they seem to have everything they need when they need it even though you didn't see them with it at the time they made the passing. For instance, Barnabas' inverness coat somehow made it to parallel time and 1897 though he was not wearing it at the time he sat down to do the I ching or when he entered the parallel time room. Julia when she came always seemed able to find her medical bag. The same is true for 1840.
Along this same line is something else I've always found rather amusing, when Barnabas becomes a bat and rematerializes as a man, he does so in his coat with his cane. How is it that he is able to carry these things when he is a bat? I know, it's just another one of those "Just accept it and don't ask any questions!" things. More of what makes the show so much fun.
Alondra ;D
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Didn't you know that there is a magic transportion portal in the mausoleum. As for the inverness and the medical bag. Have you ever heard about instant cape and medical bag jusrt mix with water. Great topic. ;D ;D
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I thought it was funny in 1897 when Julia made the trip back and then magically had her medical bag AND her NEEDLE to give him injections to cure him once again. It's a good thing they don't cavity search while time-traveling.
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Along this same line is something else I've always found rather amusing, when Barnabas becomes a bat and rematerializes as a man, he does so in his coat with his cane. How is it that he is able to carry these things when he is a bat? I know, it's just another one of those "Just accept it and don't ask any questions!" things. More of what makes the show so much fun.
Maybe that explains how he's able to take a calf somewhere else, feed on it, leave no foot prints and confuse everyone. He wraps the calf in his coat, changes into a bat and carries it off with his cane in tow. Everything on his body becomes part of him as the bat? [aprvy]
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Obviously, the curse and the various methods of time travel, included a cloaking device ... ;D
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Maybe that explains how he's able to take a calf somewhere else, feed on it, leave no foot prints and confuse everyone. He wraps the calf in his coat, changes into a bat and carries it off with his cane in tow. Everything on his body becomes part of him as the bat? [aprvy]
That's an interesting possibility. But in that case why would he need Willie to bring them to him or to go out to do something equally gross? Later on [spoiler]when he kidnaps Maggie from the hospital in those approximately 30 seconds between the time the nurse left the room and Dr. Woodard came in, I wondered how he was able to carry her out. That window was only open a few inches. This explanation would work for that. He appears in the room, takes her, disappears again with her in tow, and appears at the Old House.[/spoiler]
Alondra
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Barnabas' inverness coat somehow made it to parallel time and 1897 though he was not wearing it at the time he sat down to do the I ching or when he entered the parallel time room. Julia when she came always seemed able to find her medical bag. The same is true for 1840.
Well, actually, his coat DIDN'T make it to 1897, he had a different Inverness. Remember, it had a different collar. But it DID somehow get to PT. I like to think that it got to PT this way--Julia, knowing he was in that time w/out his coat went and got it, presumably from the downstairs foyer coat rack, placed it into the room, the room changed and voila! The coat was there! Sorta like a transporter if you will. And who knows, maybe Stokes did the same for her medical bag! ;)
when Barnabas becomes a bat and rematerializes as a man, he does so in his coat with his cane. How is it that he is able to carry these things when he is a bat?
There's a REALLY funny Sherlock cartoon out there where he's in bat form, has his coat, ring and cane as he's flying around and the bat says, "Figure it out!" ;)
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That's an interesting possibility. But in that case why would he need Willie to bring them to him or to go out to do something equally gross?
LOL Why does anyone need Willie? NO don't answer that... Seriously, if you can take any of this seriously, Willie was his servant and something had to be done. Who knows what. Maybe to bring his coffin to the Old House. The idea grossed Willie because then it's ALL permanent in Willie's mind.
As far as his inverness coat, in 1897, Barnabas woke up in his coffin, in his body before he was released. Didn't he have the coat then, as in buried with it?
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As far as his inverness coat, in 1897, Barnabas woke up in his coffin, in his body before he was released. Didn't he have the coat then, as in buried with it?
Don't recall if he was chained in the coffin while wearing a 'coat', but it wasn't that coat, and wouldn't have been as he wore a green cloak in 1795. ;)
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Well another question would be, why when he was using the I ching the time he went back to 1897 did he appear in the chained coffin to begin with? I think it has to be because that's where he actually had been in 1897 as it was during the 172 years he was chained up. [spoiler]When Julia went back later on she just appeared in the woods I think. Remember when he used the I ching he wasn't exactly planning to go back in time, he planned to simply meet with Quentin and get him to release David from under his spell. So he wasn't thinking about a coat and cane. But it makes sense that since he appeared in the coffin he would have his coat and cane with him, I think they were buried with him.[/spoiler]
Alondra[/b]
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IIRC the first time he was buried in the original 1795 arc he did have his coat on, but subsequent revists to that time and later times when he was let out of the coffin he either had a different coat or no coat at all. One thing I was impressed with was that in 1897 when he was let out of his coffin he was wearing the clothes he was buried in in 1795, NOT 1897 garb, which I fully expected him to already be wearing giving the continuity issues of the show.
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Why does Barnabas even need a cane? (for real)
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Why does Barnabas even need a cane? (for real)
I think Jonathan Frid explained in an interview that the cane was just for show, prestige, showing of the times Barnabas came from... JF bought the cane and ring as Barnabas' trade mark.
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Why does Barnabas even need a cane? (for real)
The really interesting thing about that cane is he NEVER uses it in 1795 UNTIL he's a vampire.
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Why does Barnabas even need a cane? (for real)
Barn was mighty attached to that cane. He didn't even drop it to try and save Josette from falling off the cliff!
nancy
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Granted, I watched the PT episodes several months ago, but I don't seem to remember any point in that storyline in which Barnabas went from wearing his coat in RT to PT without it. I'm pretty sure he was wearing it when he first travelled there in Ep #980 (repeated in Ep #981) and it made the crossover with him. And I could be wrong, but I don't think he was wearing it when he travelled from PT to RT and then back to PT in Ep #1031.
Now, one thing I do remember is that the coat definitely didn't make the journey from 1970PT to 1995RT. Though, of course, Julia was also with him at that time, so she couldn't have sent it to him even if she could have figured out how to get it 25 years into the future. [wink2]
Perhaps Barn's coat arrived in 1995RT on a time-delay because it had to go through travelling-to-the-future customs. ;D
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I think it was some kind of sign that he was a gentleman or something. He didn't need it for walking though later we see him using it as he walked. It does give him a distinguished look.
Alondra
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I think my favorite coat is the long Coat from 1795. I have always wondered where Barn went to get is Inverness, certainly in 1967 there was no inverness stores I don't think. Coats like it became popular later. Maybe a DS effect. :-X
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:) It sure looked like a warm coat. Roomy and comfortable.
Alondra
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The really interesting thing about that cane is he NEVER uses it in 1795 UNTIL he's a vampire.
We may not have seen Barnabas with the cane when he was normal, but he must have already owned it. When Nathan Forbes finds the cane on the docks after the attack on Maude, he recognizes it as belonging to Barnabas. At this point, Nathan still believes the story that Barnabas went to England, so he couldn't have known about the cane unless Barnabas had it before he was a vampire.
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Why does Barnabas even need a cane? (for real)
I think it was just a shameless ripoff of Larry Talbot's look in The Wolf Man. Talbot, as the Americanized son of an English lord, carried a wolf's head cane, and he wore a hat and double breasted suit. And it wasn't all that they copied from the movie.
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I think Jonathan Frid explained in an interview that the cane was just for show, prestige, showing of the times Barnabas came from... JF bought the cane and ring as Barnabas' trade mark.
I'm not sure of that. I am pretty certain I read or saw an interview where JF states that the ring was a very cheap ring with a green stone that the props department painted black. I don't know about the provenance of the cane.
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I think it was explained in one of the DS books (DS companion or DS almanac) about the ring being something they bought at Woolworth's for all of a buck or something, it had a green stone and they painted it black. It must have turned JF's finger green lol.
Alondra
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I think it was just a shameless ripoff of Larry Talbot's look in The Wolf Man. Talbot, as the Americanized son of an English lord, carried a wolf's head cane, and he wore a hat and double breasted suit. And it wasn't all that they copied from the movie.
I'm positively stunned that DS would rip off anything from anyone. :o
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I think it was just a shameless ripoff of Larry Talbot's look in The Wolf Man. Talbot, as the Americanized son of an English lord, carried a wolf's head cane, and he wore a hat and double breasted suit. And it wasn't all that they copied from the movie.
Wasn't that Claude Rains, thought? I thought it was he who carried the silver wolf's head cane. Was he not the one who beat his son to death with it?
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Wasn't that Claude Rains, thought? I thought it was he who carried the silver wolf's head cane. Was he not the one who beat his son to death with it?
Larry owned the cane but gave it to his father for his protection, knowing when he changed he might attack anyone.
ProfStokes
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I think my favorite coat is the long Coat from 1795.
My favorite coat was the grey Inverness one he wore at the end of 1897 [spoiler]after he's cured and his doppleganger has been destroyed.[/spoiler]LOVE that coat! ;D In fact, his entire WARDROBE improved in 1897 after that as well. ;)
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As far as his inverness coat, in 1897, Barnabas woke up in his coffin, in his body before he was released. Didn't he have the coat then, as in buried with it?
Don't recall if he was chained in the coffin while wearing a 'coat', but it wasn't that coat, and wouldn't have been as he wore a green cloak in 1795. ;)
As I recall, Barnabas was buried originally in 1795 in a rather fancy suit, with one of those lacy linen collars. There was no cloak. It was, for all intents and purposes, a suit jacket of the time. I do believe it was velvet.
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It may have looked like a coat because the clothes back then the guy's had very long jackets. Could have looked like a coat 8)
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As far as his inverness coat, in 1897, Barnabas woke up in his coffin, in his body before he was released. Didn't he have the coat then, as in buried with it?
As I'm thinking about this now, I'm pretty sure that when [spoiler]Sandor releases Barnabas in 1897, he's wearing that green cloak from 1795. I can 'see' him in my mind wearing it as he expresses shock that he's been chained in the coffin so long. Or, was that 1840 when old Ben releases him?[/spoiler]Now I'm confused! :-
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Seems Barnabas was releases so many time from his coffin in different time periods, it's hard to remember what he was wearing... except we all know he had clothes on. ;) I'm going to look at all my screen grabs and see if I can tell.
I'm not sure of that. I am pretty certain I read or saw an interview where JF states that the ring was a very cheap ring with a green stone that the props department painted black. I don't know about the provenance of the cane.
Oh yes the ring was from a bargain shop and it did turn his finger green. I have no doubt that the ring was painted too. I just meant that the ring and cane were status symbols for Barnabas.