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Robservations - #212
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Review:
Barnabas and Liz meet for the first time. Man, men look so good in suits. It makes me sad it's not a daily fashion like it was back in the day. Especially 3 piece suits. Nice. (Sorry if this is jumbled, I keep getting distracted by All that Jazz! on TV) ANYWAY.... Barnabas and Liz discuss family history, with a few mistakes. Liz seems absolutely charmed by Barnabas, and knowing the company she's been keeping lately she must be damn glad for his manners.
Vicki and David discuss Willie. Liz introduces Barnabas and Vicki. Barnabas is one smooth operator. The kiss of the hand, the bow. Vicki is won over in an instant. I wonder if I'd have the same reaction if that happened to me. Guess it would depend on the man who did it. Barnabas leaves and the conversation switches over to Jason and Willie. Liz laments the fact she ever let him in the house. I think she slips up often about her true feelings about Jason. I think she really wants people to pressure her about the reason Jason's still in the house so she can finally spill her guts about it.
Switch over to the Old House where David is playing some realistic kid games. Do you remember playing games like that when you were a kid? Anything you did to keep yourself occupied was potential fun. Barnabas appears, hat in hand. THE PORTRAIT! Of course it's always been there! David thinks he's a ghost and Barnabas wants to know if he's really seen ghosts in the house. Of course he has!
David points out the portrait of Josette, which has actually been established way before now. I wonder how it got back down into the foyer as in 1897 it was in Josette's room, without being moved from the foyer. Maybe Magda and Sandor put it up there. Who knows? David flubs a line and Barnabas gets all wistful at the mention of the sunrise. After 150 years of darkness though, anyone would. Here's a reference to Barnabas actually being awake during his tenure in the coffin.
David leaves and Barnabas wanders through the house. He doesn't seem at all dismayed about the condition of the house, but absolutely gleeful to actually be in it.
David returns to Collinwood and pads out the episode a little bit more. Barnabas back at the Old House challenges Josette's portrait. Where was she when he needed protection? Actually she was in Portsmouth, and then took a long walk off a short cliff. Dad's not around to crowd things anymore and he's free to live his "life". Considering this speech it's kind of funny that he then attempts to recreate his old life with "Josette" with nearly disastrous consequences for everyone even remotely involved.
Favorite line of dialogue: Don't be surprised if I know Collinwood quite well.
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On Jonathan Frid's website, he says that he lost his place right at the beginning of Barnabas's conversation with Elizabeth in his first episode, and Joan Bennett filled the gap. When I read that, at least a year ago, I watched the scene again but could not see where the problem might have occurred. Same thing today. Frid stumbles over a word when he says the Collins bloodline is strong (or something) but that can't have been what he was talking about. Either Frid's memory is fuzzy on this (which seems unlikely; it's the sort of thing that would be engraved on one's memory - first day on the show, and WHOOPS!) or else Bennett was far, far smoother than I ever knew she could be.
Meanwhile, there's Elizabeth, in the house she's lived in all her life, which has been like prison to her for the past 18 years - and in walks Barnabas, and tells her he's been hearing about it all his life - as if it just seeing it were some sort of over-the-rainbow dream come true. Must have been sort of weird for Elizabeth.
That "I was a Collins" speech never fails to get to me. Barnabas's voice is so different from when he's talking to his cousins - all pretence dropped. Interesting, though - he says "They made me into something my own father loathed." That gives you the reluctant vampire, who didn't choose to be one but was "made" into one - and then later on we've got Barnabas telling Julia that it was indeed his choice, and then still later it wasn't "they" who made Barnabas a vampire but a very definite "she". Talk about fuzzy memories...
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Here we have Frid's debut as Barnabas and what an outstanding performance. He plays the charming visitor from merry old England so convincingly, one is apt to accept his story as reality. And so, Liz welcomes Barnabas into her home.
Liz is so gracious. I love that. She is the consummate hostess.
One horrible thing occurs as Barnabas sits down on the sofa. A loose spring - BOING! You have to really listen for it though, because Liz is talking when it happens.
Barnabas tells Liz that he "prefers more independent quarters". I guess a coffin is about as independent as one can get, eh?
He "indulges in fanciful attitudes from time to time". Yeah, like transforming local girls into long lost lovers.
"¢â‚¬¦but at sunrise, when the water - when the ocean - when the sun comes over the ocean, everything begins to change color--right in front of your very eyes." I love how the kid just keeps going - what a trouper!
Looking at the Old House in its current state, one can truly appreciate the work that Willie ends up doing here.
Barnabas tells Josette to tell Joshua's ghost - if he's there - that he has come home and intends to live the life previously denied to him. Cobwebs and all.
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I never noticed this the first time watching it, but Liz really gave Barnabas the 3rd degree. She wanted to know everything about him. I guess that's normal for family meeting each other the first time back in the day? I would have let it come out naturally. Not in the rush all at once like Liz did. I do like this scene though. I love the emotion both Joan and Jonathan gave during the performance.
Did anyone else notice how there wasn't a ring on Barnabas' left hand? When watching these episodes, I always notice how the hand that came out from the coffin had a ring on it yet when we see Barnabas he doesn't wear his ring on that hand. Just a rewind moment like they do on N@N.
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(Sorry if this is jumbled,
It's not at all!
One horrible thing occurs as Barnabas sits down on the sofa. A loose spring - BOING! You have to really listen for it though, because Liz is talking when it happens.
It could have been a background noise-- an unfortunately timed noise on the set, but it doesn't sound to me like a spring.
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As I've mentioned before, a fan once wrote an article suggesting that Elizabeth, as the living Keeper of the Family Secret, was perfectly aware of Barnabas' identity as a vampire. This fan claimed that Liz's hand was trembling when she took Barnabas' hand. I've watched the episode several times and I can never see this. The fan theorized that Liz decided to welcome Barnabas into the family because she figured HE might get rid of Jason. It's an interesting notion, but quite a long shot. If it were true, then Liz certainly did have nerves of steel--and fewer scruples than widely credited.
I'm guess that when this episode was written, an outline for the plot of the Barnabas storyline had not yet been prepared for the writers, which is why Barnabas speaks to Josette more as a guardian spirit of the family than as his long-lost love in this first episode.
I know that DC was in England at this time working on the Jack Palance Jekyll/Hyde... it would be interesting to know whether Bob Costello had the de facto head writer's chair at this point in time. I read in an interview with Art Wallace, I believe, that he did a short outline for the introduction of Barnabas storyline--he said it was the last work he did on the show, although his contract had been written such that he kept his credit as creator of the series.
Best, G.
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These Into to Barnabas scenes are some of JF's best acting on the show. Despite his memory of missing lines, I found his performances to be very arresting, fascinating and complex. Cool stuff from everyone including terrific Clarice B. as the befuddled maid. Very, Very successful introduction of a new character. Writing, acting and atmosphere are top notch. It's no wonder at all that Barnabas became such a fan favorite. Frid just draws you right in and you can't take your eyes off the guy.
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Love this episode! Barnabas appears very friendly and "courtly" as Vicki said but deep down I get the sense that he'd like to bite each and every one of these SYT he meets. He's so menacing as he walks up behind Elizabeth and stands behind Vicki but these women do not see this. I loved the scene between David and Barnabas. David is full of fun and exploration in just meeting his new cousin "from England" but a little disappointed his not the ghost of the original Barnabas Collin. How interesting that would be as a fanfic story if it was the ghost of BC.
I love the shot of the portrait fading into the real man. Loved the effects. The very last shot of Barnabas standing in the drawing room of the OH with the portrait of Josette behind him tells one there is so much more to come!! "The mystery man" wonders why she didn't protect him from his "fate" but she will in the future.
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;D This watching the episode every day and commenting is gonna be fun. I watched it again for probably the umpteenth time and jotted down some notes of my impressions. Think I'll do this for each episode.
In the introduction Vicki says the man had come from a far country. No he came from a far century lol, but he had always been here.
I liked how neat and clean Barnabas' hair looked, it was neatly cut (by Willie??) and short. I liked it much better than how he later has it all greased up.
How much time passed between his release from the coffin and this initial meeting at Collinwood? A night and day? What all did Willie have to do to prepare Barnabas? He had to get him some modern clothes and teach him a few things about how the world is now. This is one of my favorite things to speculate on.
If this story took place today the Collinsport Collinses would have known already if there was an English branch of the family because they'd have looked it up on the internet. Barnabas' story would not have held water then.
Barnabas was so courtly it's easy to see why he so easily won over Elizabeth. Vicki was also very impressed by him.
Mrs. Johnson seemed to like Willie, as did David, as she was concerned about him. I wonder if she is thinking of Harry since Willie and Harry are a lot alike, but NOT in looks lol!
Barnabas said he wouldn't surrender a syllable of Victoria, but later he called her Vicki like everyone else.
Does anyone suppose that there was anyone watching in 1967 who did not immediately make the connection between the hand coming up out of the coffin to fasten around Willie's throat and this courtly cousin from England?
Elizabeth said, "Why did I ever let that man set foot in this house?" Does she mean Jason or Willie? I think she means Jason because if Jason hadn't come, neither would Willie.
At the Old House, boy is it run down! Willie sure had his work cut out for him. Broken windows, debris everywhere, I don't envy him his task. Barnabas' chair is there, and we're to assume it's 175 years old or so, so Willie must have rebuilt the legs of it.
As Barnabas and David talked about the sunrise, David was very astute. He said "You look like you're remembering something you lost." Barnabas must certainly have missed all aspects of life in the daytime, and sunrises would be part of that. To him the sunrise is like the opposite of an alarm clock, it sends him to bed rather than gets him up.
As Barnabas walked around the run down house, he seemed so happy to be home. He knows it won't look like that for long, Willie would be doing all the work. Poor Willie.
David was disappointed that Barnabas wasn't a ghost. He said Barnabas seemed to be haunting the rooms, not just walking in them. David is a very astute kid.
Final scene with Barnabas at Josette's portrait. Definitely the storyline changed later on because otherwise Barnabas would have been lamenting over Josette and the love they lost, not talking to her the way he did.
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I lightened the maroon, Alondra. I couldn't read the text without highlighting it.
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I lightened the maroon, Alondra. I couldn't read the text without highlighting it.
Sorry about that. I thought it would end up on the gray part (I'm using the blue feature) and I see that every other post is dark and the other is light. I won't change the color from now on, though I will make it bold so it's easier to read.
I have a question. How do you use the spoiler feature?
Alondra
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Sorry about that. I thought it would end up on the gray part (I'm using the blue feature) and I see that every other post is dark and the other is light. I won't change the color from now on, though I will make it bold so it's easier to read.
It's not necessary to try to guess or avoid colored text because you can Modify anything in the message within 2 minutes of the post showing up, and within another 2 minutes following each edit.
How do you use the spoiler feature?
[spoiler]spoiler text and/or image(s)[/spoiler]
Click the link to read more because the whole topic is about spoilers. Hope that helped. :)
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I have a question. How do you use the spoiler feature?
Since I've had problems with this, I thought I'd give it a try in explaining it.
Type the word 'spoiler' in brackets at the beginning of your message and end like this:
[spoiler] Text[/spoiler]
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;D Thanks. I read the post and tested it out and there is a test message over there the content of which will not surprise Jackie since she knows me.
Alondra
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Does anyone suppose that there was anyone watching in 1967 who did not immediately make the connection between the hand coming up out of the coffin to fasten around Willie's throat and this courtly cousin from England?
(Raises Hand) Me, me! I was one if the ones who didn't make the connection! [cheesyg] I guess I was just a naieve kid then. [6184] Although, as I watched it again today, I found it easy to be fooled again. He was so smooth. I love JF in those scenes. A few words and expressions say a lot. [smlyg]
It was charming and cute to see David blow his lines. But it just made it more true to life. I often 'blow my lines" in real life! [winkg]
Last month, I completed watching the entire show; so I have been watching color episodes for quite a while now. It is strange to watch DS in black and white again. I must admit, though, the show DOES seem more spooky in black and white. [shkdg]
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I wasn't watching yet at that time but if I had been, I'd have been only 7 I guess and think I wouldn't have made the connection either. But in watching this episode I was very impressed with Barnabas and his courtly manner. It would be impossible not to like him in this initial meeting, and they say first impressions are the most important.
Alondra
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It is strange to watch DS in black and white again. I must admit, though, the show DOES seem more spooky in black and white. [shkdg]
The black and white was so good.
Lori
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:) I agree with you Emerald Rose. Some of the later episodes are on kinescope which was not only black and white but blurry as well, and in some cases that really leant to the eerieness of it. For instance in the 1897 storyline [spoiler]Julianka is killed and then they have a seance to contact her so she can give information about ending Quentin's curse. When she appears as a ghost it's just so eerie and cool![/spoiler] It just wouldn't have been the same in black and white.
Alondra
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Well, what a confusing situation! The quote in the post when I asked for it to be fixed said black and white, but the original post said color! How did THAT happen?
I'm so sorry for the mixup. (Can one of the moderators please fix all of the posts so that they all say my original intention, that black and white is spookier?)
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Well, what a confusing situation! The quote in the post when I asked for it to be fixed said black and white, but the original post said color! How did THAT happen?
The moderator (MB, dom and I have help ;)) was probably in the process of fixing all the posts. They should be the same now.
I'm so sorry for the mixup. (Can one of the moderators please fix all of the posts so that they all say my original intention, that black and white is spookier?)
No need to apologize. :)
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Thank you, Midnite! [cheesyg]
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"¢â‚¬¦but at sunrise, when the water - when the ocean - when the sun comes over the ocean, everything begins to change color--right in front of your very eyes." I love how the kid just keeps going - what a trouper!
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Barnabas tells Josette to tell Joshua's ghost - if he's there - that he has come home and intends to live the life previously denied to him. Cobwebs and all.
David was really a trouper. Watching these over and over again. I can really see why JF really was a big hit.
Lori
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Review:...
Sorry to quote so much with so little payoff or contribution from me, but I enjoyed this post. I hope to go through more of this thread, and respond as eyes and/or brain permit.
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Favorite line of dialogue: Don't be surprised if I know Collinwood quite well.
I hope to go through more of this thread, and respond as eyes and/or brain permit.
That's OK. But I wonder how much time Barn help at Collinwood when it was being built. It would seam like he would like to do things with his hands.
Plus he knows all the secret places.
Lori
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This is the episode that introduced me to my favorite character, and what a great episode it was.
I know I was completely taken in by Barnabas and can understand why Elizabeth and Vicki were too. He really knew how to turn on that gentlemanly charm.
David seems puzzled as to why nobody likes Willie or wants him around, gee I wonder why too other than the fact he [spoiler]harassed Vicki, Carolyn and Maggie, insulted Sam, pissed Burke off to the point Burke beat the snot out of him.[/spoiler]
I love that ending scene with Barnabas....he's happy to be out of the coffin,to be able to start a new life, yet he knows he faces an uncertain future in a world that has drastically changed since the 18th century. Jonathan was really brilliant in that scene.
I have to admit I did kinda make the connection between Willie's disappearance and Barnabas' arrival but I had no idea whether Willie was still alive or not at that point.
Again, what an awesome episode! With the arrival of Barnabas the show reached a most exciting turning point.
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This is the episode that introduced me to my favorite character, and what a great episode it was.
I know I was completely taken in by Barnabas and can understand why Elizabeth and Vicki were too. He really knew how to turn on that gentlemanly charm.
I love that ending scene with Barnabas....he's happy to be out of the coffin,to be able to start a new life, yet he knows he faces an uncertain future in a world that has drastically changed since the 18th century. Jonathan was really brilliant in that scene.
Again, what an awesome episode! With the arrival of Barnabas the show reached a most exciting turning point.
Jonathan brought talent to the show in the way that it made everyone else act better and streach. (No comment about Jonathan flubbing his lines.) TV was so much different than the theatre. You can just feel the tension.
Lori
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David seems puzzled as to why nobody likes Willie or wants him around, gee I wonder why too other than the fact he [spoiler]harassed Vicki, Carolyn and Maggie, insulted Sam, pissed Burke off to the point Burke beat the snot out of him.[/spoiler]
Not having seen the previous episodes, I can't say for sure, but it would seem reasonable for the grown-ups not to tell David the details of what Willie had done. There's a story in my family of a relative visiting Fall River as a child, and being told not to go near Lizzie Borden's house because Lizzie "wasn't very nice to her parents."
I have to admit I did kinda make the connection between Willie's disappearance and Barnabas' arrival but I had no idea whether Willie was still alive or not at that point.
This is one of the things I love about this week on Dark Shadows: the viewers were left hanging for nearly a week.
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Review:...
Sorry to quote so much with so little payoff or contribution from me, but I enjoyed this post. I hope to go through more of this thread, and respond as eyes and/or brain permit.
I understand, MT, but I've edited the text for you. The quote still links to the post you're complimenting so that readers can easily find and read it.
Actually, since we don't have infinite space on the server (nor do the mods have infinite time), edits in quotes by all cousins are much appreciated.
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Actually, since we don't have infinite space on the server (nor do the mods have infinite time), edits in quotes by all cousins are much appreciated.
VERY MUCH appreciated! [wink2]
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David seems puzzled as to why nobody likes Willie or wants him around, gee I wonder why too other than the fact he [spoiler]harassed Vicki, Carolyn and Maggie, insulted Sam, pissed Burke off to the point Burke beat the snot out of him.[/spoiler]
I edited part of this quote to just reply to part of it.
David and Mrs. Johnson both seemed to like Willie, Mrs. J was concerned when he didn't come back. Everyone else hated his guts, since he had wronged them in some way. He had mistreated Vicki and Carolyn, insulted Roger, was mooching off Mrs. Stoddard along with Jason and caused her worry when Carolyn told her she had almost shot him. To those outside Collinwood he had picked fights with Burke and Joe, had insinuated to Sam that he painted his daughter in the nude (had I been Sam I would have knocked his block off) and came on too strong with Maggie. So of all the people he had met, only David and Mrs. Johnson liked him because he had not mistreated them personally. David can't know how Willie behaved around the others since they didn't tell him. How could Vicki have said, "No, David, I don't like Willie. He acted like a jerk toward me." You know David, he'd want details and she couldn't have given them.
Alondra
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David and Mrs. Johnson both seemed to like Willie, Mrs. J was concerned when he didn't come back. Everyone else hated his guts, since he had wronged them in some way.
Mrs Johnson, did have some afinity for bad young men, think of her son.
Lori
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of all the people he had met, only David and Mrs. Johnson liked him because he had not mistreated them personally.
It's true that Willie didn't mistreat Mrs. Johnson, but he had given her plenty to worry about. He feigned civility to get information out of her about the family graves with the intent to rob them. And I doubt the family stopped complaining about Willie's misdeeds in her presence. She just refused to see any of it.
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:) I agree with Lori. She was thinking of her son, dear Harry who was in prison. Though we don't see him til much later on, and the writers had probably not thought of her having a son, it fit in very well here for her to show some caring for Willie. I think later on the writers wanted Harry to be like Willie, only difference being that one is very easy on the eyes and the other is an eyesore, IMO.
Alondra
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:)I agree with Lori. She was thinking of her son, dear Harry who was in prison.
I'm not removing Harry from the equation. In the discussion for ep #211, I said:
she believed that Willie's expression of sorrow after learning that Barnabas died in England indicated that there's still some good in him. Oh please! And this from a woman whose son has "itchy fingers."
I think that having a son with the same propensity should give his mother all the more reason to be suspicious and not the other way around.
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Actually, since we don't have infinite space on the server (nor do the mods have infinite time), edits in quotes by all cousins are much appreciated.
VERY MUCH appreciated! [wink2]
Something else that would be very much appreciated:
From the stickied topic "Bandwidth Saving Measures":
remove signatures if they're redundant (maybe this is my hangup, but if the person saying the quote is already listed above the quote, why bother to include it within the quote too?)
It's true that the mods are no longer doing this simply to save bandwidth (which isn't as much of an issue as it was back in 2002) - but it does save space in the database - and saving space in the database is always going to be something we're striving for because we want all the forum's posts to always be available for visitors to read. On other forums where the mods routinely delete older posts after a certain period of time, saving database space is certainly not an issue, but it is for us. And we would greatly appreciate any help our members could provide to help us do it. ;)
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I think that having a son with the same propensity should give his mother all the more reason to be suspicious and not the other way around.
That is a really good point. Sometimes though if you have some rational or justification for it. You don't see it when others do it.
Lori
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On other forums where the mods routinely delete older posts after a certain period of time,
Oh golly, I hope that never has to happen here!
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Believe me, we don't ever want to do it, which is why we ask that people help to save as much space as possible. ;)
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Something else that would be very much appreciated:
From the stickied topic "Bandwidth Saving Measures":
remove signatures if they're redundant (maybe this is my hangup, but if the person saying the quote is already listed above the quote, why bother to include it within the quote too?)
To remove a signature, once the quote shows up in your response, you just highlight the redundant signature (and any unneeded spacing) and click delete. Voilƒ , no more signature in the quote. :D