DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '26 I => Polls Archive => Topic started by: IluvBarnabas on October 14, 2006, 04:12:43 AM
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My personal favorite is Gabriel. He was such a greedy, smarmy, murderous weasel and Pennock played him to perfection.
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Gabriel! I throw all my backing to Gabriel, he was just so fantastically ruthless and evil! I think he was Pennock's best role on the show.
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Actually, I have to go with Jeb Hawkes. I know a lot of people don't like this character, but I find his earthy, lower class gruffness to be a refreshing change from the more effete male characters in the series. In fact, I think that his relationship with Carolyn was the only one in the history of the series that generated any genuine sexual chemistry between the two characters. I really sensed that they were attracted to one another physically as well as emotionally.
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The other thing I like about Jeb is that he is the "bad boy" who tries to turn good but discovers that he has sown the seeds of his own destruction by his previous behavior and cannot escape his fate no matter how hard he tries. That makes his downfall particularly poignant, especially when it drags down a genuine innocent like Carolyn in the bargain. I find this to be a very moving storyline (the most "beautiful" and "lyrical" scene in all of DS for me is the one in which Carolyn writes a note to her mother explaining her elopement with Jeb, then lies down on the bed and falls asleep. The scene is genuinely breathtaking).
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Jeb Hawkes was so bad, you had to like him. From his camera to his leather pants, he added some 'kick' to the show. [hall2_cool]
I think that of course Carolyn married again,but, she had a locket with his picture in it.
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From his camera to his leather pants, he added some 'kick' to the show.
*Did* he have leather pants? I thought that was only Sebastian Shaw that wore the leather.
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Well it seems like Gabriel is winning with over 62% of the vote!
I really liked the character of Gabriel, but didn't he whine about Quentin this, Quentin that? Maybe I'm thinking of someone else, but I remember someone getting on my nerves because of this. I haven't seen the 1840 stuff for a while, and I'm rewatching and I'm currently in 1897 with Petofi just showing up, so I've got a while to go. lol
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Yes, he whined, but that's just a part of what makes him such an accomplished weasel. Another part is his intelligence, and therefore deviousness. That's what takes your average everyday tiresome whiner and catapults him into the stratosphere of the truly great, pathetic whining weaselly bastards.
Gabriel wasn't just made a fool of by others-- he could do it too. It's a great moment(s) when Gabriel [spoiler]first sizes up Gereard's real attitude toward Samantha, then S chooses Gerard, and Gabriel gets to drink in the pained expression on Gerard's face.[/spoiler]
Parallel Gabriel (not an option) was more of an ordinary weasel, but he was actually sympathetic once in awhile.
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Jeb Hawkes. ... I think that his relationship with Carolyn was the only one in the history of the series that generated any genuine sexual chemistry between the two characters. I really sensed that they were attracted to one another physically as well as emotionally.
I'll concede that Nancy Barrett and Chris Pennock shared great chemistry. But Jeb was such a, well, cheap, insufferable pig that the idea of the two of them together was enough to make ones skin crawl. And the fact that Carolyn was so blinded by her attraction to him to see/understand/accept the truth that was literally haunting her dreams was a corruption of her character because Carolyn, if nothing else, had always been able to glean the truth of every situation that she'd found herself in. It was an all-time low for the notion that Love Is Blind - even by daytime's standards. [sad3]
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Actually, I have to go with Jeb Hawkes. I know a lot of people don't like this character, but I find his earthy, lower class gruffness to be a refreshing change from the more effete male characters in the series. In fact, I think that his relationship with Carolyn was the only one in the history of the series that generated any genuine sexual chemistry between the two characters.
William H. and Carolyn Loomis had enough sexual chemistry to burn down the house.
"I-hate-you-because-I-love-you" relationships might not be pretty to watch.....but they almost make you watch despite yourself.
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Congratulations, Raineypark, on becoming the second non-admin to reach the exaulted status of DSF God!! [thumb]
And how appropriate for you that you did it commenting on a John Karlen character. [b003]
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And how appropriate for you that you did it commenting on a John Karlen character. [b003]
Well, yes.....of course.....who ELSE woud I be commenting on?....[lghy]
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Congratulations rp!! And show mercy on us frail creatures! Do not play with us for your sport! I beseecheth thee and sucketh up to thee in the most pathetic manner!
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I think it's just great, and absolutely right, that the goddesses outnumber the god by three to one.
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I think it's just great, and absolutely right, that the goddesses outnumber the god by three to one.
Well, yeah....except having to share him gets complicated........[vryevl]
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I think it's just great, and absolutely right, that the goddesses outnumber the god by three to one.
Well, yeah....except having to share him gets complicated........[vryevl]
(laughing really loud)
Oh golly, Dark Shadows meets Big Love. Thank heaven I've a long way to go before I reach goddesshood
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Woo hoo, Raineypark! [hello]
Well, yeah....except having to share him gets complicated........[vryevl]
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William H. and Carolyn Loomis had enough sexual chemistry to burn down the house.
(In my BEST Linda Richman) YES, they did! ;) And you know who else did? Kendrick and Melanie, also played by Johnny and Nancy for those who haven't yet seen 1841 PT. The scene where they [spoiler]lay on the bed after they're married and he is on TOP of her sends me and Karlenfan over the edge, EVERY time![/spoiler]
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Congratulations, Raineypark, on becoming the second non-admin to reach the exaulted status of DSF God
Yes, forgot to congratulate you oh EXALTED DSF god! Please remember to throw a few pennies at us peasants when you pass by. [hall_grin]
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Woohoo! Congratulations!
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Congrates Raineypark. [dancing_bones]
And BuzzH, you were right....Sebastian Shaw wore the leather pants.
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I went with Gabriel - both of them. I never cared for any of the other characters, and as a result, probably didn't think too much of Chris. But while Gabriel was bad, he was bad in an interesting way and Pennock really depicted him well, and the PT version, too.
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Gabriel was not a good guy that's for sure, but he had a way of mocking situations and people, making snide comments, always ready to take amusement at someone else's expense, and when he did this with someone like Gerard, it was such fun to watch.
Setting his "not-so-good-deeds" aside however, I felt bad for him. He never got along well with his father, and there's a scene with him and Daniel that is so very well done and sad, with [spoiler]Gabriel begging to know why his father never loved him as he so obviously did Quentin. Daniel seemed incapable of loving Gabriel due to his disability, quite a shame really! Gabriel wanted and needed his father's approval, and perhaps if he would have been accepted as a child by his father, he wouldn't have grown up to be so bitter.[/spoiler] I'm not making excuses for him, just trying to comprehend his actions and motives.
Edith was also very cruel to him, taunting him, making him feel worthless because he couldn't walk, [spoiler]even though he was playing that role falsely, she didn't know that, and first time viewers didn't know that.[/spoiler] She should have accepted him as he was, yet another incident where he was scorned by someone who is supposed to care for him. Granted, we don't know under what circumstances they were married, perhaps they were forced in to it, and that might explain her coldness, but I still felt bad every time she was cruel to him.
Did he have faults? most definitely! But in some ways he's a tragic man as well.
I also liked Cyrus Longworth. He was a gentle man who was trying hard to make a difference in the world, [spoiler]and in the end he came to such a sad fate.[/spoiler]
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Excellent analysis of Gabriel, Sunny! Couldn't have said it better myself.
I always wondered why Daniel was never able gave the love and affection to Gabriel that he did to Quentin. The number #1 rule in parenting is never play favorites with your children and unfortunately for Gabriel that's exactly what Daniel did. But then of course Daniel isn't unique in that respect. Unfortunately many parents do have a tendancy to play favorites with their kids in this day and age even if they don't mean to.
A bit off-topic here, another example of playing favorites, I give you Frank and Marie Barone of Everybody Loves Raymond. They spoiled Ray rotten (which Ray enjoyed) and treated Robert with disdain. Don't know if anyone else on this forum watches the show, but these two parents, sheesh I would hate to have these two as parents even more than Daniel Collins.
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Gabriel ... Did he have faults? most definitely! But in some ways he's a tragic man as well.
Which is exactly what makes him so fascinating. [hall2_wink]
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Jeb Hawkes was so bad, you had to like him. From his camera to his leather pants, he added some 'kick' to the show. [hall2_cool]
I think that of course Carolyn married again,but, she had a locket with his picture in it.
It also might be worth noting that the ONLY scene of a couple in bed together in all of DS (correct me if I'm wrong on this) is the one involving Carolyn and Jeb on their honeymoon.
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It also might be worth noting that the ONLY scene of a couple in bed together in all of DS (correct me if I'm wrong on this) is the one involving Carolyn and Jeb on their honeymoon.
I believe this is correct, even the episode where [spoiler]Bramwell and Catherine have had sex (episode 1202) doesn't show this. She's on the bed, fully dressed, and he's sitting on a trunk on the end, tying his tie![/spoiler] [hall_grin]
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On year at the fest the Collinsport Players shoud do a "Everbody Loves Quenten" with Gabriel in the Robert type part.
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Joshua said the war was still on when they designed Collinwood, so for that or any other wars, keeping some enemy soldier prisoner for awhile might have been a necessity.
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The hair, the threads, the tude--the fact that he once said to Barn, a propos Maggie Evans: "Hey, you DIG her, man!"--Jeb Hawkes, now and forever, will always be my favorite Pennock character.
But ask me what his best performance on the series was, and I'll line up with the others and vote for Gabriel (in RT 1840--the other one was fun as the drunken spoiled brat who went off the cliff, but nowhere near as nuanced a performance).
G.