DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '25 I => Current Talk '06 II => Topic started by: Cousin Barnabas on October 06, 2006, 12:16:46 PM
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When I was a kid watching DS in its original run on ABC it was a tradition for 4 years! I remember the last day of the show ....I watched it with tears in my eyes knowing that this was the last episope and being annoyed with my grandfather who was sitting behind me and said "Thank God this piece of s**t is over!" That hurt but it did not phaze me as much as not seeing the characters I loved and cared about one last time . Instead it ended with characters I really did not give a rat's a$$ about. And the final slap in the face was [spoiler]Stokes declaring that there may be a vampire at Collinwood and the camera shifts over to the portrait of Barnabas..... a PT BARNABAS who lived a normal life!![/spoiler] I felt so burned by the way DS left us.
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I would have liked for it to have ended in "real time" rather than back in time. At the point the show went off the air, I was spending two to three afternoons a week in after-school activities so I wasn't seeing the show that much anyway. However, I do remember faking sick the afternoon the last episode aired as I wanted to see how it was going to end.
Nancy
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Shame on them!
I understand that a few of them wanted to move on, but show enough respect for the audince to go out with loose ends tied up and a proper farewell for the core characters.
There is no excuse for the rip-off of an ending that DS
gave us.
David
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They could have ended the 1841PT story at least one or two weeks earlier and given the audience a wrap up of the present time characters. Even if Jonathan Frid wouldn't play Barnabas they could have used the other characters and made reference to Barnabas.
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I liked the 1841 Parallel Time story better than I thought I would, though I do wish they had given us a lot more closure with the regular characters from 1970 than they did. I was happy to see everything was all right but the writers did leave quite a few loose ends that they should have tied up in regards to what happened to Maggie, Barnabas and Julia (will they ever get together), David and Hallie, Elizabeth and Roger, Carolyn and Quentin. Sure we knew [spoiler]the whole family was alive and well and the ghosts of Gerard and Daphne never haunted Collinwood in the first place[/spoiler] still I think most of us feel the writers still ended things a bit too abruptedly as far as 1970 Regular Time was concerned.
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They could have ended the 1841PT story at least one or two weeks earlier & given the audience a wrap up of the present time characters.
I agree, they should have finished 1841PT, much as I loved it, a week or two earlier and gone back to the present to wrap up things there. However, having said that, it DID leave us fans w/the opportunity to write our own 'endings', didn't it? ;) And there is some GREAT fan fiction out there! 8)
I liked the 1841 Parallel Time story better than I thought I would
Me too, but again, when it ended, I wanted to know more than just what the voiceover told us. Which is why I wrote my Bramwell/Catherine novel! ;D
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I was just upset that DS ended at all. It honestly didn't matter to me what the storyline was. Having watched many soaps at the time only to see them get canceled, it was pretty much par for the course for them to end with unresolved plotlines and characters left twisting in the wind.
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Honestly, I had just about given up watching the show by then. I was in a play at school and had rehearsals when DS was on. But my interest was waning even before that. Every time they added another new character, and the plot twisted further away from the original family and the early stories, it got less interesting to me.
Heresy, I know.....but true.... ::)
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I agree that it would have been nice to see the family one last time, not just Liz, and even if they couldn't wrap things up nice and neat, which considering the entire scope of the show, they still should have allowed us to see the real time family.
Still, it does leave the story lines open to all sorts of fun and interesting interpretations. ;D
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Still, it does leave the story lines open to all sorts of fun and interesting interpretations. ;D
ITA! We fans can write our own endings! ;D I'm thoroughly convinced that's why we have all the fan fiction we do.
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I really don't think it would've made it any easier to say "goodbye" if they had spent a few final episodes showing the family back in 1971 at the very end; as a matter of fact, to me it would've made it harder. Besides, what could they have done for, let's say, one week (if they had wrapped up the PT1841 storyline earlier)? Now, when Barnabas, Julia and Eliot returned to 1971, I'd say it would've been better to have seen more of the family for at least a few minutes rather than just Liz, maybe having more of them scurrying about getting ready to head off for Roger's presentation. But beyond that, I really don't know what else would they have done? Nothing more could've softened the blow. Best to have just said farewell rapidly and gotten it over.
Gerard
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Certainly it would have been nice to have had an actual farewell before they faded into the mists of time.....but honestly, when in its entire run did DS ever show evidence of forethought? The entire production was "seat-of-their-pants" from first to last.
You can't plan a finale if the curtain is already coming down.
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Who was upset? WHO WAS UPSET? :o I could not believe it. And the end. I kept expecting them to tie up Parallel Time in a nice Gordian knot and go BACK to "our" time. And Parallel Time kept going on. And on. And on... ARGH!!!! Although I DID adore the Catherine and Bramwell Show, but as I say on my webpage, "What was SHE THINKING?" and "What was HE thinking???" But they finally got their respective acts together.
I did think the ending was sort of weird with [spoiler]Melanie getting bit. Two neat holes on her neck. But, oh. Look. It wasn't a vampire after all. Oh really? Then what the HECK was it? What makes two neat holes like that? [batang][/spoiler] Anyway, at least they sort of ended Parallel Time. Bet they couldnt't get away with switching over to Parallel Time in any OTHER show!! LOL!!!
Judy
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I've met several people who have told me the same story, Rainey. It was the same with me. My interest had already started to wane for the same reason yours did and I didn't want to miss being in plays, sports events and other things. I made the exception the day the last episode was on.
Nancy
Honestly, I had just about given up watching the show by then. I was in a play at school and had rehearsals when DS was on. But my interest was waning even before that. Every time they added another new character, and the plot twisted further away from the original family and the early stories, it got less interesting to me.
Heresy, I know.....but true.... ::)
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Although I DID adore the Catherine and Bramwell Show, but as I say on my webpage, "What was SHE THINKING?" and "What was HE thinking???" But they finally got their respective acts together.
You have a DS website? Link please! ;)
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Honestly, I think the show really could have gone on a lot longer than it did. There were tons of plotlines left hanging, tons of characters that could have been fleshed out more... perhaps the hiring of new writers?
I understand many of the cast were tired and wanted to move on to new things, but steps could have been taken to take the show furthur.
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You have a DS website? Link please! ;)
It's in her profile. :)
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You have a DS website? Link please! ;)
Happy to be of service! http://www.geocities.com/angeliquewins/ ;D It's mostly fan fiction: one smaller story, one novel-sized and one attempting to be novel-sized but as yet unfinished, but I have a few Dark Shadows rants and a weasel story, too! The only thing you can't navigate to is the script for the Mini Pirate Play (that's mini-play, not mini-pirate) that we did for the Gala, but to get there, all you do is add piratetreasure and then html after the last slash.
Judy
[angl]
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There's a bit of disappointment that they didn't return to the present day family, but in general I found it satisfying for an ending. It was the only "other time" story that didn't have a "regular" character in it. I wonder if they knew they would be canceled when they started the story. They were doing 1840 and then had to reintroduce the PT room. There's no reason why they couldn't have just wrapped up 1840 without this new story intruding.
However, they new story HAD begun - one was curious about what it was all about and what would happen. They did follow the regulars back to present time enough to show that they had succeeded and all was well. Then, there was this new story hanging there, so they went back and finished it. While a present day real time ending would have been preferable, under the circumstances I found this acceptable.
And, I rather liked the concluding narrative - it wrapped up the show nicely.
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You have a DS website? Link please!
It's in her profile.
And it's also in every one of her posts. Just click on the World Wide Web icon: (http://www.dsboards.com/SMF/Themes/bloodred/images/www.gif) under all her personal info. ;)
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I wonder if they knew they would be canceled when they started the story.
They did 1841PT because Jonathan didn't want to play Barnabas anymore and would only agree to stay w/the show if they gave him a new character (his contract expired during 1840). This is what he has said at numerous Fests and articles etc...
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Thanks! BTW, are you a ferret person? I see a little fuzzbutt on your page! ;)
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Thanks! BTW, are you a ferret person? I see a little fuzzbutt on your page! ;)
Yeah. I think they're just adorable. And you can blame it on a friend of mine who got me interested. I used to be in a Bablyon 5 online game and her character had one. We had some great "missions" together. Me and the ferret, that is, not my friend. LOL! Then one of my very best online friends took it one step further in a Star Trek game and created a new 'species." And thus "the weasells" were born. I even have them in a DS story on my website.
Judy
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In the interview audiotape with Grayson Hall from March 1973, she clarified that it wasn't that Frid did not want to play Barnabas anymore, it was that he did not want to be a vampire and have to do "the fanging" onscreen again.
Although I do not know of any published accounts of this, I've seen references in other posts over the years to Frid walking off the set at some point in the Fall of '70 and not coming back until he got certain things in writing from DCP. I've always thought that one of his demands must have been that he get to play another character besides Barnabas. I would guess that the germ of the 1841 PT story sprung from this; Curtis may also have been making plans for several of the cast members having to be away for several weeks during the filming of the second movie. I remember seeing a clipping from a magazine published in Jan. of 1971 introducing Keith Prentice to teen readers and commenting that he had signed a "five year contract" for DS. Difficult though it seems to believe now, the DS TPTB may have been hoping to have Prentice be the hot new male property on the show.
I watched right up till the end and I recall tuning in every day thinking they would go back to Barnabas and Julia in 1971. I think a huge number of viewers must have had similar expectations which accounts for why TV Guide published Sam Hall's article in the Fall of '71 giving Sam's version of the fates of the present day characters on the show. At the time, this was a VERY unusual thing to turn up in the magazine. I still can't quite recall anything similar. Maybe fannish outrage over the denouement of the BEAUTY AND THE BEAST series in the 1980s was comparable--that's the only thing that comes to mind; that and, of course, the cancellation of STAR TREK at the end of the Sixties. But still, TV Guide never ran an article on "here's what happened to Capt. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Lieut. Uhura after the show ended."
G.
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I've always thought that one of his demands must have been that he get to play another character besides Barnabas. I would guess that the germ of the 1841 PT story sprung from this.
Frid said in I *believe* 1990 at the NY Fest was that he indeed was tired of the fanging and wanted another character to play just like everyone else got someone else to play. I also recall him saying he'd been w/out a contract for a while so perhaps he didn't actually walk off the set, if he didn't have a binding contract...In any event, he was smart to get it in writing from DCP *before* coming back to work.
I remember seeing a clipping from a magazine published in Jan. of 1971 introducing Keith Prentice to teen readers and commenting that he had signed a "five year contract" for DS. Difficult though it seems to believe now, the DS TPTB may have been hoping to have Prentice be the hot new male property on the show.
That's VERY interesting, and I can believe Keith was going to be the new hearthrob, BUT, he needed tp play someone who was NOT an insufferable jerk like Morgan was. [hall2_grin]
the cancellation of STAR TREK at the end of the Sixties. But still, TV Guide never ran an article on "here's what happened to Capt. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Lieut. Uhura after the show ended."
True, but they did get 6 movies! [hall2_grin]
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That has indeed long been a rumor but no corroboration I ever heard of to support it. I've never heard anything said about Frid walking off the set. It would be most unlike him to do such a thing to the rest of the working cast and crew with whom he had no beef.
Nancy
Although I do not know of any published accounts of this, I've seen references in other posts over the years to Frid walking off the set at some point in the Fall of '70 and not coming back until he got certain things in writing from DCP.
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Frid said in I *believe* 1990 at the NY Fest was that he indeed was tired of the fanging and wanted another character to play just like everyone else got someone else to play. I also recall him saying he'd been w/out a contract for a while so perhaps he didn't actually walk off the set
What was the evidence you had that led you to believe Frid had walked off the set? He certainly doesn't recall it.
Nancy
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Frid said in I *believe* 1990 at the NY Fest was that he indeed was tired of the fanging and wanted another character to play just like everyone else got someone else to play. I also recall him saying he'd been w/out a contract for a while so perhaps he didn't actually walk off the set
What was the evidence you had that led you to believe Frid had walked off the set? He certainly doesn't recall it.
I never said he did, go back and re-read my post!
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I never said he did, go back and re-read my post!
You said "perhaps he didn't actually walk off the set" so there had to exist a reason to even make the clarification/correction in the first place. So what made you believe that had even been a possiblity such a thing happened is all I am asking. I'm curious. (I'm an English major too and analyze the use of words. [hall2_wink]
Nancy
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It would have been really interesting if, instead of cancelling the show, they had taken it to an evening time slot. Then the adult themes could have been explored, and an entirely new audience found.
But no doubt even Curtis would never have believed the show could develope an adult audience.
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It would have been really interesting if, instead of cancelling the show, they had taken it to an evening time slot. Then the adult themes could have been explored, and an entirely new audience found. But no doubt even Curtis would never have believed the show could develope an adult audience.
That *would* have been interesting indeed, especially since he'd wanted to do DS as a night time series to begin with. Too bad HBO didn't exist back then! >:D
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But no doubt even Curtis would never have believed the show could develope an adult audience.
DS did have an adult audience. Publicity for the show was aimed at both teenagers and adults, and many articles loved to tout the show's attraction to adults as well as teenagers. Though, of course, airing during the daytime, DS didn't have nearly the adult audience that it would have taken to make DS a primetime hit.
I never said he did, go back and re-read my post!
You said "perhaps he didn't actually walk off the set" so there had to exist a reason to even make the clarification/correction in the first place.
I could be wrong, but I assumed BuzzH was commenting on Gothick's remark that he'd read online that Frid walked off the set but had never seen a published report. :)
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I could be wrong, but I assumed BuzzH was commenting on Gothick's remark that he'd read online that Frid walked off the set but had never seen a published report. :)
Yes,that could be but I wasn't sure hence my question. Thank you for answering, MB!
Nancy
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MB, I have always believed that the reason HODS was so gory was because DC wanted to make DS more attractive to adults. It certainly took the show out of the kiddie areana in a big way but if that had ever been the plan, it backfired.
Nancy
DS did have an adult audience. Publicity for the show was aimed at both teenagers and adults, and many articles loved to tout the show's attraction to adults as well as teenagers. Though, of course, airing during the daytime, DS didn't have nearly the adult audience that it would have taken to make DS a primetime hit.
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I remember seeing a clipping from a magazine published in Jan. of 1971 introducing Keith Prentice to teen readers and commenting that he had signed a "five year contract" for DS. Difficult though it seems to believe now, the DS TPTB may have been hoping to have Prentice be the hot new male property on the show.
I knew Keith in the early 1980s, after he had returned to Dayton, Ohio, to care for his ill mother. Shortly after we met, Keith and I went on a dinner date, which ended at my apartment. Keith was the perfect gentleman with me, and did not try to take advantage of me--even though I was, at the time, young enough to be his son (I was well past 18, BTW--LOL). Although he had very strong opinons about his DS cast members--some very nice and some not so nice--he never mentioned anything about the show signing him to a five year contract. Instead, Keith talked about his short-lived DS appearances as just another job, while he looked for other work in NY. He also told me that he was not that pleased with the film CRUISING, in which he made a short appearance, and was mostly upset that the murder of his character was "left on the cutting room floor," as they say. He also made some strong comments about Richard Rodgers's attraction to young chorus girls (Keith was in the 1959 Broadway production of THE SOUND OF MUSIC), a claim that has been confirmed in recent Rodgers bios. Keith has his fans and detractors, but he was very nice to me and my theater friends in Dayton, and I am very pleased to have known him.
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What a lovely account, Brian. Thanks for sharing.
Nancy
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The one thing I would like to have seen when Julia, Barnabas and Stokes return to 1971 is to somehow have an Angelique lookalike come into the Blue Whale or something after the Historical Center Opening and faint in front of Barnabas, fade out....otherwise I was okay with it ending how it did..
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The one thing I would like to have seen when Julia, Barnabas and Stokes return to 1971 is to somehow have an Angelique lookalike come into the Blue Whale or something after the Historical Center Opening and faint in front of Barnabas, fade out....otherwise I was okay with it ending how it did..
An online friend did just that. Or is doing just that, I should say. She isn't done yet. It's being posted on the Barnabas/Bramwellfan fiction Yahoo list.
Judy
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the cancellation of STAR TREK at the end of the Sixties. But still, TV Guide never ran an article on "here's what happened to Capt. Kirk, Mr. Spock, and Lieut. Uhura after the show ended."
True, but they did get 6 movies! [hall2_grin]
And speaking as someone involved with the fandom from the mid70s onward, you do NOT want to know just HOW many letter writing campaigns that took.
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Me. Well, not upset, 'cause I had stoped watching the show long before 1841PT. I know I saw much 1840 and 1970PT but I can't recall exactly when I stoped watching or why. Which is interesting in itself to me because DS was a major addiction. More than likely, it was the meeting of new friends in 'middle school' and becoming sexually active. Too young to have sex after dinner and a movie, so had to fit it in after school and before dinner, lol.
I was disappointed and cornfused to say the least because I didn't have a single solitary idea who any of the characters were. It's weird coming back to see the last episode in what kind of represented my old life and not be able to relate. What I did concentrate on was saying farwell (so to speak) to the actors. At least I knew who most of them were. Having not seen the entire show or that last year of airdates, loose ends weren't a factor for me. I thought the show ended okay. For me it basically said that all was well. Of course at the time I don't think I knew they were even in parallel time.
I remember not being too thrilled that Thayer's was the last voice heard. I had no appreciation for him back then. Why Frid wasn't chosen to do the final voiceover I'll never know. Anyone know why Thayer was chosen over Frid? You'd think Frid would have been chosen.
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Anyone know why Thayer was chosen over Frid? You'd think Frid would have been chosen.
Don't know, maybe he *was* asked and didn't want to. I think he only did like a dozen or so voice-overs during his entire run w/the show (not including his thinking voice-overs, I mean the ones at the beginning of the show)-which in and of itself is strange to me considering he was more or less the 'star' of the show. But for whatever reason he didn't do a lot and maybe that factored in w/the last one. Who knows. It's too bad though since he had/has such a unique speaking voice and all.
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It was all so spontaneous and rushed on DS, that I'm guessing Thayer just happened to be there.
I lost track completely back then I think. They stopped telling us in voiceovers that it was PT, and I don't think they cared. They'd ditched "RT" and the "present" for the romantic world of 1840/1, as depicted in so many of those novels by female authors, intending to stay there, I guess. It actually helped them, they probably thought, to let viewers forget about RT vs. PT and all that. This romantic past setting was even going to have its own "Barnabas", a vampire that is, going by the last episode, so they had everything they thought they wanted, and gave up nothing.
They were rectifying the supposed (ratings?) mistake of leaving 1897, I guess. Only, 1897 did so well because of writing and not just atmosphere and romanticism. And 1897 was darkly, disturbingly "romantic", very different from the straight-ahead romance of the 1840s.
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Well, Grayson said in the '73 fan interview tape that the script had to be changed on the day of taping because Frid refused to say the final dialogue line about the possibility of Melanie having been attacked by a vampire. He felt that the line "made fun of Barnabas" if he delivered it.
As I believe Buzz indicated, Mr. Frid did very few of the opening voiceovers, and the ones he did were fairly late in the game--I seem to recall first hearing him do one in a 1970 episode. Thayer David, on the other hand, had a massive side career in voiceovers. He discusses this in Ron Barry's interview with him (great tape). As a viewer at the time, it seemed natural to me that Thayer did the closing voiceover, I think because I primarily identified him with Professor Stokes and I could imagine Stokes summing everything up because that just seemed to be a natural role for him to take.
I guess it would have been nice to have had Alexandra return to do the final voiceover, but it would also have reminded everybody how Vicki's original storyline got pretty abruptly canned once they started up with Barnabas. It would have been really neat to have had Vicki return in a final 1971 storyline to finally learn the answer to the question of her parentage. Ah well, we can dream!
G.
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Coming in late on these posts (yeah, I know, what else is new) but this one caught my eye.
It was all so spontaneous and rushed on DS, that I'm guessing Thayer just happened to be there.
That sounds like a very plausible explanation to me. They seemed to have been "making it up as they go along" even more than Han Solo.
And 1897 was darkly, disturbingly "romantic".....
Now THAT is an excellent description of not only, 1897, but the Victorian era in general. Juxapositions of flowery romanticism and extreme cruelty and cheapness of life, not to mention moral rectitude and extreme vice. (Keep in mind that these proper and moral Victorians also had a massive cottage industry going in child prostitution. Not to mention that its now thought that more of the stories that Freud heard about incest were fact and not oedipal fantasies than society was willing to believe at that time.)
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They were rectifying the supposed (ratings?) mistake of leaving 1897, I guess. Only, 1897 did so well because of writing and not just atmosphere and romanticism. And 1897 was darkly, disturbingly "romantic", very different from the straight-ahead romance of the 1840s.
But how much longer could have they gone with 1897?? Now the Leviathans I think was the main mistake. Nobody likeed a bad Barnabas. Also they went to PT and Roxanne and Barn, a bad move. [spoiler]If they hadn't turned Barnabas into a vampire again in 1970.[/spoiler] How things might have been different.
I was so upset that I even turned in the Next monday and hoped that Password wasn't on. To bad there was no WWW.
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:'( Count me among those who cried as I watched the last episode. I was 12 years old and in the 6th grade, and I had watched the show faithfully during the past 3 years. This was like an era in my life coming to an end.
I liked Thayer doing the final voiceover but felt that Melanie being bitten was like a slap in the face, trying to remind us of the good old days on DS when the vampire was so much a part of the show. It made the fact that it was ending even harder to bear. There hadn't been a vampire in the 1841 PT storyline.
The other big beef I have with this ending was that due to David Selby's having to leave the show prior to the end because of appendicitis, it was like they forgot all about Quentin and [spoiler]Bramwell was able to steal his inheritance. Morgan was dead, Gabriel was dead, Melanie was going east with Kendrick so Quentin should have inherited everything at Collinwood. Instead it was all handed to Bramwell on a silver platter, and this was after he was already made rich by his ship coming in.[/spoiler]
Yes the fact that so many threads were left hanging does give us a lot of scope for fan fic. Buzz, if you read this, you mentioned a story you'd written. Can you tell me where it's posted?
Alondra :)
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New posters,
I applaud your enthusiasm, but would you please take the time to add spoiler code? The mods read all posts in a timely manner and it's additional time to have to edit them, too. :(
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:'( Sorry. I'm not used to using that yet. On the DS yahoo groups I own and post on we have no such rule, but I will try to be more careful here. Please be patient with me as I learn the rules.
Alondra :-[
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[Rant_Emote] ME! I wasn't even expecting it to end when I was watching the last episode! In fact I was horrified to hear the closing voiceover and watch the credits roled by. I have to admit though, I started watching DS very late in it's original incarnation and did not read the teen magazines to learn of the demise of the show. So I was stunned. I was in my senior year of high school. I had to readjust my attitude to think maybe it was a blessing in disguise. I knew I'd have a hard time looking for a job after graduating and wanting to see "my" show if it stayed on. I never imagined it would come out in syndication. [thumb]
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if I remember password wasn't on long. Then I was off to college and didn't even have a TV. Very few people did. There was a TV room, but people used to fight over it just like we did as kids
PS sorry for not useing the spoilers
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Does anyone recall a sort of "coda" to the last episode? Thayer David narrated it, and we find out that, yes, Barnabas and Julia did wind up together. Other things are wrapped up as well, but it's been ages since I've seen it. I do have it somewhere, so I'll view it again and get back to you all. As I recall, though, as Thayer narrates, we see still photography from episodes and DS movies.
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It is on the disc set 26, and it is Roger Davis that Narrates it I Believe.
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The other big beef I have with this ending was that due to David Selby's having to leave the show prior to the end because of appendicitis, it was like they forgot all about Quentin and [spoiler]Bramwell was able to steal his inheritance. Morgan was dead, Gabriel was dead, Melanie was going east with Kendrick so Quentin should have inherited everything at Collinwood. Instead it was all handed to Bramwell on a silver platter, and this was after he was already made rich by his ship coming in.[/spoiler]
You've got to wonder if, since the Bramwell and Catherine story was pretty much the main focus, [spoiler]that the writers just gave it all to Bramwell for all his years of being the underdog. Then again, being realistic (to the time and circumstance and not the general subject matter, lol!), if the Collins family wanted their business to be taken seriously by those movers and shakers unimpressed with their money or social standing, it wouldn't have been wise to have the new head of the Collins family be a known murderer even if he had done time for his crime.[/spoiler]
Judy [angl]
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It also could be that maybe [spoiler]Quentin didn't want any part in the family business. Maybe he also decided to stay in Boston. Of course with Gabriel and Morgan both dead, he was Flora's only surviving son so I'd think he'd want to stay in Collinsport for her sake.[/spoiler]
Alas we will never know, will we?
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You've got to wonder if, since the Bramwell and Catherine story was pretty much the main focus, [spoiler]that the writers just gave it all to Bramwell for all his years of being the underdog. Then again, being realistic (to the time and circumstance and not the general subject matter, lol!), if the Collins family wanted their business to be taken seriously by those movers and shakers unimpressed with their money or social standing, it wouldn't have been wise to have the new head of the Collins family be a known murderer even if he had done time for his crime.[/spoiler]
Well this is a bit of a sore point with me. Seems that the JF character always had to have the driver's seat in every storyline. I don't like it that [spoiler]he and Catherine were the ones to end the curse when Kendrick had been the one chosen in the lottery to go into the room. Kendrick was not Willie and he was determined to do his duty and do his best to end the curse so that Melanie would be free. But no, the writers have to have the JF character as the hero. Now they also deprived Quentin of his inheritance so again the JF character wins. I hadn't thought about the fact that Quentin had been in prison for murder being a detriment to his inheriting everything, that's a possibility. But they dropped him without a thought, even in the last episode they dropped a character and didn't let us know what had become of him. Maybe he died of appendicitis? In a way it doesn't set well with me either that Bramwell and Catherine who were adulterers were rewarded, but that's just me.[/spoiler]
Alondra
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It also could be that maybe [spoiler]Quentin didn't want any part in the family business. Maybe he also decided to stay in Boston. Of course with Gabriel and Morgan both dead, he was Flora's only surviving son so I'd think he'd want to stay in Collinsport for her sake.[/spoiler]
Alas we will never know, will we?
Interesting coincidence hitting this thread. Last night when I was looking up links on some other DS stories on Fanfiction.net, I had run into one that gave an amusing twist while it explained Quentin's fate. The name of the story is Message Received -- a postscript to 1841PT.
Here's the link, for the curious: http://www.fanfiction.net/s/847936/1/
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Well this is a bit of a sore point with me. Seems that the JF character always had to have the driver's seat in every storyline. I don't like it that [spoiler]he and Catherine were the ones to end the curse when Kendrick had been the one chosen in the lottery to go into the room. Kendrick was not Willie and he was determined to do his duty and do his best to end the curse so that Melanie would be free. But no, the writers have to have the JF character as the hero. Now they also deprived Quentin of his inheritance so again the JF character wins. I hadn't thought about the fact that Quentin had been in prison for murder being a detriment to his inheriting everything, that's a possibility. But they dropped him without a thought, even in the last episode they dropped a character and didn't let us know what had become of him. Maybe he died of appendicitis? In a way it doesn't set well with me either that Bramwell and Catherine who were adulterers were rewarded, but that's just me.[/spoiler]
Well first of all concerning Jonathan being the hero all the time, they probably should have let someone else save the day for once in fairness to the other characters/actors but I won't complain (sorry but Jonathan's my favorite actor on the show and love to see his characters save the day).
[spoiler]Not to take anything away from Kendrick, he was indeed a very brave and heroic guy, I loved the way he stood up to Julia and stood up for Melanie, he was indeed a selfless guy. I dare say that if Kendrick had gone in the room, he would have been just as capable as Bramwell in breaking the curse.
As for Bramwell and Catherine....I won't deny they were adulterers. But they were more or less also star-crossed lovers for years before they married the wrong people. Catherine was wrong to marry Morgan whom she didn't really love (even though she did keep saying she loved Morgan, I suspect she only did so to try and convince herself more than anyone she loved him and not Bramwell). She thought with her head instead of her heart when she chose to wed him and almost paid for it with her life.
Bramwell was wrong to marry Daphne when he clearly still loved and only wanted Catherine. I do think he did come to love Daphne (even though he did treat her kind of shabby after they first wed) but unfortunately it was too little too late....by the time he realizes this she grows ill and dies.
Bramwell shouldn't have married Daphne and Catherine shouldn't have married Morgan....but call me a hopeless romantic or a fool, I was pleased to see them get together in the end and that love conquered all.....
I must admit I would have liked to have seen Quentin at least be a partner in the business and Kendrick too but one cannot blame Kendrick and Melaine for wanting to get away from Collinwood and find happiness elsewhere.[/spoiler]
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I'm a second-generation fan...when I first saw the end of DS, I remember wanting to throw a shoe at the TV. LOL
The way DS ended did bring about a lot of fantastic fanfic, though...
Hugs,
Heather
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Well, I didn't find the 1841/PT storyline. It was nice to have something that made sense in and of itself, instead of the everything but the kitchen sink that 1840 was.
But I didn't have the Same emotional investment with those characters that I had in the contemporary ones. I do recall John Karlen saying at a festival, that by this point, the program was no longer in touch with its core audience. [8_2_59] [ChristmaS15]