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ShadowGram Online Dark Shadows News Updates List
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Number 159. September 26, 2006.
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Hello, Dark Shadows Fan,
ShadowGram (SG), The Official Newsletter & News Source for Dark Shadows (DS), announces the following breaking news:
**** UPDATE:
DARK SHADOWS 40TH ANNIVERSARY HALLOWEEN PARTY
On Sept. 21, SG Online Update #158 was posted to this List. It premiered details about the special celebration for DS' 40th Anniversary and the Halloween season.
Current postal-mail subscribers to the ShadowGram published newsletters now are receiving a free Bonus Announcement Postcard inviting them to join us that evening. The postcard is highlighted by an exclusive, never-seen photo of Jonathan Frid as "Barnabas."
The DARK SHADOWS FESTIVAL PRESENTS:
40th Anniversary Haunted Halloween Party
Thursday, October 26, 2006 - 7:30 - 11:00 pm
Vista Theater, 4473 Sunset Drive, Los Angeles, CA 90027 - Phone: (323) 660-6639
The historic Vista Theatre is at the intersection of Hollywood and Sunset Boulevards, 3 blocks east of Vermont Avenue, in Los Feliz (Los Angeles). The event benefits the UCLA Alzheimer's Research Center in memory of Dan & Norma Curtis.
--- Appearing in-person in costume as their original characters: LARA PARKER as Angelique and KATHRYN LEIGH SCOTT as Josette.
--- Also appearing in person: DAVID SELBY, JOHN KARLEN, JERRY LACY, ROBERT COBERT, CHRIS PENNOCK, ROBERT RODAN, ROGER DAVIS, and BETSY DURKIN.
The evening features:
--- Free autographs and photo opportunities with our guests.
--- First-ever live DS music concert onstage with composer Robert Cobert conducting, and a live performance of "Shadows of the Night" ("Quentin's Theme") with David Selby.
--- Tribute to DS creator/director/producer Dan Curtis, hosted by Barbara Steele ("Black Sunday"/1991 DS TV series).
--- Special appearance by Karen Black and the original Zuni fetish doll from the Dan Curtis TV movie "Trilogy of Terror." Fans may take pictures with the iconic doll.
--- DS bloopers and rare footage screenings.
--- Barnabas Collins vampire look-alike contest to win a prize. Or fans can come in any DS or Halloween costume.
--- Vintage memorabilia auction and display.
--- Door prizes and give-aways.
--- Admission: Adults: $20 - Students/Seniors: $15 - Children 6-12: $10. Tickets will be available at the door, or in advance at the box office after 4pm on weekdays or at the box office after 2pm on weekends. Advance buyers will receive a special DS surprise gift!
To purchase tickets by mail: Send check/money order payment, payable to Dark Shadows, P.O. Box 480726, Los Angeles, CA 90048
--- The Vista Theatre is a beautifully-restored 75-year-old movie palace. It is located at the intersection of Hollywood and Sunset Boulevards, 3 blocks east of Vermont Ave., in the lovely Los Feliz neighborhood of Los Angeles, near Hollywood.
For out-of-town visitors: The Burbank Bob Hope Airport is only about 7 miles to the north of the Vista and Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) is about 12 miles southwest of the Vista. For sleeping accommodations, approximately ½-mile from the theatre are the Hollywood Travel Lodge, 1401 N. Vermont Ave. 323-665-5735, and the Hollywood Ramada Inn, 1160 N.Vermont Ave. 323- 660-1788.
The upcoming SG #109 and subsequent print issues will feature details, exclusive guest photos, and more about the event.
**** DS FESTIVAL 40TH ANNIVERSARY CELEBRATION CONVENTION - BROOKLYN, NY - AUG. 25-27, 2006
Over 1200 fans of all ages from across the US, Canada and England gathered together at the NY Marriott Hotel - Brooklyn Bridge to celebrate 4 decades of DS.
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Guests were David Selby (Quentin), Lara Parker (Angelique), John Karlen (Willie), Kathryn Leigh Scott (Maggie), Jerry Lacy (Trask), Nancy Barrett (Carolyn), Donna McKechnie (Amanda), Chris Pennock (Jeb), Marie Wallace (Eve), Lisa Richards (Sabrina), Diana Millay (Laura), Conard Fowkes (Frank), Donna Wandrey (Roxanne) and Betsy Durkin (Victoria #2). Veteran behind-the-scenes personnel also participated: Henry Plimack (audio), Stuart Goodman (camera operator), Jim Butler (ABC publicity) and Les Schecter (ABC publicity).
Highlights included a surprise telephone greeting from Jonathan Frid (Barnabas), live from his home in Canada. The conversation took place during the cast reunion on the stage Saturday afternoon. As SG premiere-announced a few days before the Fest, Jonathan also recorded a special greeting and presented a selection from his one-man Readers Theatre program, "The Wooing of Lady Anne" from Shakespeare's "Richard III." This digital video was shown on the big screen on Saturday and Sunday. The video now is available on his official website: www.jonathanfrid.com
Saturday also saw an ambitious new musical cabaret performance by Nancy Barrett, who assumed a wide variety of personas and singing styles. On Sunday evening, the actors staged a dramatic reading of the first and last episode scripts, from June 27, 1966 and April 2, 1971, respectively. Some of the performers played their original roles while others took on different characters. The stage was enhanced with a re-creation of the original TV series' Collinwood drawing room set, spearheaded by Patrick DeBlasi.
Earlier on Sunday was an auction of rare DS items, highlighted by the actual Barnabas portrait oil painting from "House of DS." For the first time at a Fest, online bids were accepted for this piece as well as from audience members. The spirited, intense auction culminated with a winning in-person bid of $13,000 for the painting, won by an extremely thrilled and happy lady from Utah.
The weekend benefited the Alzheimer's Research at UCLA Medical Center in memory of DS creator Dan Curtis, who passed away on March 27, 2006, and was preceded in death by his wife Norma less than 3 weeks earlier.
Many of the actors offered new and recent publications at the event: Lara Parker's novel, "Dark Shadows - The Salem Branch"; David Selby's poignant tribute to his native West Virginia, "A Better Place"; Donna McKechnie's autobiography "Time Steps"; Marie Wallace's career memoir "On Stage & In Shadows"; Betsy Durkin's "Dressing the Man You Love"; Diana Millay's "The Power Of Halloween"; Kathryn Leigh Scott's mystery "Murder In Prime Time"; and Chris Pennock's line of autobiographical comic books. Current and recent ShadowGram print issues were very popular, as were copies of Kathy Resch's extensive series of DS Concordance books - detailed episode guides and references for individual episodes across specific DS time periods. Illustrated novels and story / poetry anthology collections published by Kathy and by Dale Clark also were in demand. "Dark Shadows - The First Year," is now available from the DS Official Fan Club/DS Festival, and MPI Home Video introduced a variety of new merchandise, including a sweatshirt, tote bag, and tank top, plus advance copies of the "DS Bloopers & Treasures" DVD (Nov. release).
Fest details and exclusive behind-the-scenes photos will be in the upcoming postal-mail SG #109 and subsequent print issues. SG also thanks the fans who have shared their Fest photos, as each picture captures a unique expression and moment. Please continue to send your pictures and reports to SG's e- or postal- mail addresses below.
**** DONNA McKECHNIE PERFORMANCE & BOOK-SIGNING
Fri., Oct. 6 at 7:00 PM
Barnes & Noble - Lincoln Triangle, 1972 Broadway @ 66th St., NYC, NY. 212-595-6859.
Reading - Musical Performance - Signing
Publicity: Donna McKechnie & Guests. The Tony Award-winning star of "A Chorus Line" will be joined by special guests Priscilla Lopez, Harvey Evans, and Kurt Peterson, under the direction of Thommie Walsh, in celebration of her deeply moving memoir, "Time Steps: My Musical Comedy Life." Free and open to the public
For those unable to make Donna's book-signing in NY, the DS Festival has a supply of her new hardcover biography - which includes a photo from DS and recollections of her days on the show - that have been personally autographed by Donna. The book is available for a special mail-order price of only $25, including postage. Please send payment to: Dark Shadows, P.O. Box 92, Maplewood, NJ 07040.
**** BETSY DURKIN SHARES UPCOMING APPEARANCES FOR HER NEW BOOK
SG has detailed the new book "Dressing The Man You Love" by Betsy Durkin Matthes. The fashion guide is a thorough exploration and intricate reference with diagrams, facts, descriptions, and more for recognizing, purchasing, and caring for virtually every kind of men's attire. Betsy tells SG about the following events.
--- Tues., Oct. 3 at 12:45 pm: Betsy will be giving a talk on the subject of her book to the Women's Community Club of Shelter Island, at the Shelter Island Presbyterian Church, 32 N. Ferry Rd., Shelter Island, NY. 631-749-0805.
--- Sat., Oct. 7: Betsy will be appearing at the Family Britches clothing shops in both
Chappaqua, NY, 914-238-8017, and in New Canaan, CT, 203-966-0518. These signings are in connection with a promotion of St. John's Apparel.
--- Sat., Oct. 14 at 2:00 pm: Betsy will be doing a book-signing in connection with Educator Appreciation Weekend at the Border's Books Music Store, 1500 Old Country Rd.,
Riverhead, NY 631-284-2222. (Long Island)
**** HOUSE OF DS AIRS ON TURNER CLASSIC MOVIES
OCT. 20-21 at 12mid. ET / 9:00 pm PT
TCM broadcasts the first DS motion picture, "House of DS," airing the same version that was released to theaters nationwide in January, 1970. A synopsis on the TCM website has some plotline and character relationship errors: "Willie Loomis, the handyman of Collinwood, an 18th-century mansion in Maine, accidentally releases vampire Barnabas Collins from his coffin. Barnabas gains entrance to the mansion by introducing himself as a cousin from England, and Willie becomes his first victim. Carolyn Collins, the lady of the house, is Barnabas' next victim, and doctors Julia Hoffman and T. Eliot Stokes are called in to determine the cause of death. Their diagnosis of vampirism is confirmed when Carolyn returns from the dead to seek her own victims, but she is killed by a stake driven through her heart. Dr. Hoffman becomes fond of Barnabas even though she knows that he is a vampire and seeks a medical cure for him, but he soon makes both doctors his victims, along with Roger Collins, Carolyn's husband. Barnabas, enamored of Maggie Evans, a beautiful governess who reminds him of his lost love, is planning to make her his vampire bride when Jeff Clark, Maggie's fiance, kills Barnabas with an arrow through the heart." A complete cast/technical crew listing and more also are on the TCM website: http://tcmdb.com/title/title.jsp?stid=1457
Please send any national/local TV media publicity, listings, or articles about the HODS broadcast to SG's e- or postal- mail addresses below.
**** SG pays tribute to CRAIG HAMRICK, DS fan, author, and researcher, who passed away on Sept. 24 after a long battle with colon cancer. Craig was born on Oct. 9, 1966, in the same year as DS. He actually discovered the show through the Marilyn Ross paperback novels years after DS had ended production. Growing up in Coffeyville, KS, he did not have access to DS reruns, but when the revival series aired on NBC in 1991, he took notice. Soon he became involved with fandom and lent a hand to the DS Festivals. He also began exploring creative ways of his own to harness his interest in DS. Craig was an accomplished writer, photographer, computer expert, and animal lover. After moving to NYC in the mid-1990s, Craig helped promote DS on the Internet by establishing the excellent DarkShadowsOnline website. He guided several DS actors onto the web, designing and operating their sites. He also befriended a number of the NYC-based personnel, such as Nancy Barrett, Diana Millay, Marie Wallace, and the late Louis Edmonds. He wrote Louis' biography "Big Lou," his own compilation "Barnabas & Company," and a DS novel among others, and advised on a number of other DS-related books.
Perhaps Craig's greatest gift to DS was his strong will and upbeat determination as he fought the cancer for 4 years. He was able to attend and assist at the 40th Anniversary Fest in Brooklyn exactly a month ago. Craig leaves behind many wonderful memories and contributions that will not be forgotten. Those who wish to remember Craig may do so to the ASPCA - American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (NYC office: 424 E. 92nd St., NYC, NY 10128-6804), or to your local animal shelter.
*** FAN SHARING: All fans joining us at the Halloween celebration and attending Donna's and Betsy's book-signings are invited and encouraged to please send their reports and photos to SG. These then can be shared with the SG readers - including the DS cast and crew (who directly receive complimentary copies of each published SG newsletter), fans worldwide, and the media - starting with the upcoming SG #109. A complimentary Contributor's Copy SG print issue is given in thanks for major contributions. Please use SG's postal- or e- mail addresses below.
*** This SG Online DS News Updates List will update all this news and print issue SG #109 will have the latest complete detailed developments, photos, reports, and additional information.
Thank you.
Marcy Robin
ShadowGram Editor / Publisher
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ShadowGram wrote:
**** SG pays tribute to CRAIG HAMRICK, DS fan, author, and researcher, who passed away on Sept. 24 after a long battle with colon cancer. Craig was born on Oct. 9, 1966, in the same year as DS. He actually discovered the show through the Marilyn Ross paperback novels years after DS had ended production. Growing up in Coffeyville, KS, he did not have access to DS reruns, but when the revival series aired on NBC in 1991, he took notice. Soon he became involved with fandom and lent a hand to the DS Festivals. He also began exploring creative ways of his own to harness his interest in DS. Craig was an accomplished writer, photographer, computer expert, and animal lover. After moving to NYC in the mid-1990s, Craig helped promote DS on the Internet by establishing the excellent DarkShadowsOnline website. He guided several DS actors onto the web, designing and operating their sites. He also befriended a number of the NYC-based personnel, such as Nancy Barrett, Diana Millay, Marie Wallace, and the late Louis Edmonds. He wrote Louis' biography "Big Lou," his own compilation "Barnabas & Company," and a DS novel among others, and advised on a number of other DS-related books.
Perhaps Craig's greatest gift to DS was his strong will and upbeat determination as he fought the cancer for 4 years. He was able to attend and assist at the 40th Anniversary Fest in Brooklyn exactly a month ago. Craig leaves behind many wonderful memories and contributions that will not be forgotten. Those who wish to remember Craig may do so to the ASPCA - American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (NYC office: 424 E. 92nd St., NYC, NY 10128-6804), or to your local animal shelter.
:-[ How can they not mention that Craig shared his life with a wonderful man? SG can mention that he befriended DS actors but not the fact that he left behind his soul mate and life partner - Joe Salvatore.
I knew Craig and I know that he was an out and proud gay man. As was his friend Louis Edmonds. As were many other DS actors (some who were forced to stay in the closet because of this business). I know he would want me to speak up here.
The only way we can individually and collectively be catalysts for change is to speak up when there has been a wrong.
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I second that emotion!
Where is Joe Salvatore in the Shadowgram Universe?
In Parallel Time?
I take it upon myself to add this to the Shadowgram obit:
Craig Hamrick is survived by his loving partner Joe Salvatore, who stood by his side for all the years of Craig's illness.
As per Craig's wishes: Joe asks that donations in Craigs name be made to the NYC Humane Society.
David
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Those who wish to remember Craig may do so to the ASPCA - American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (NYC office: 424 E. 92nd St., NYC, NY 10128-6804), or to your local animal shelter.
Joe provided this information: (follow the link to the post)
Dear Friends:
I am writing with the information for the organization that I have named as the recipient of any donations that people would like to make in remembrance of Craig Hamrick. ...
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How can they not mention that Craig shared his life with a wonderful man? SG can mention that he befriended DS actors but not the fact that he left behind his soul mate and life partner - Joe Salvatore. I knew Craig and I know that he was an out and proud gay man. As was his friend Louis Edmonds. As were many other DS actors (some who were forced to stay in the closet because of this business). I know he would want me to speak up here. The only way we can individually and collectively be catalysts for change is to speak up when there has been a wrong.
John, I hear ya baby. But certain ppl in fandom, I *won't* mention names, but you know who they are, REFUSE to accept that homosexuality exists! I was not at all surprised by the lack of taste in that SG obit for Craig. Not only that, but she got the charity info wrong. Who is SHE to take it upon herself to say who Craig & Joe wanted contributions to go to? Did she have authorization? No, she didn't even have the right information.
Okay, climbing down of my soapbox! [furious3] [82b5] [Rant_Emote] [5323]
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In the late 1980s, I was targeted by a vicious smear campaign in DS fandom.
I was accused of being a prostitute, a child molester, a drug addict, and of being HIV Poz. (I'm actually HIV neg, but regardless, HIV is NO CRIME!!!!)
While I did have some problems in fandom due to my then untreated bi-polar disorder, that was not the case here.
In this instance, I was targeted specifically for being out, loud and proud!!!
And those who targeted me actually told me this, one of them quoted the bible!!!!
Absolutely NOTHING was done to stop this, in fact, I was branded a troublemaker for complaining about it!!!!!
And the haters continued for YEARS, targeting me and others!!!!
I stayed away from fandom for 5 years because of this.
The greatest contribution Craig Hamrick made to DS fandom was for getting Louis Edmonds~~and others~~ to come out within DS fandom.,
Thanks to Craig, the crap I endured will NEVER HAPPEN AGAIN TO ANYONE!!!!!
Once again, I bow to Craig Hamrick AND his lover Joe Salvatore.
David
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Not only that, but she got the charity info wrong. Who is SHE to take it upon herself to say who Craig & Joe wanted contributions to go to? Did she have authorization? No, she didn't even have the right information.
Well, a friend of his did post in another topic that Craig had requested that donations be given to the NY ASPCA.
BuzzH, your last comment was removed. Gossip about other fans and all that... remember? ;)
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Get back up there honey because I got your back. At the end of the day. I didn't know anything about Dark Shadows until I met Peter. So it is being gay that brought me here.
What has kept me is the camaraderie and what I thought was acceptance of DS. I mean for Christ's sake. I am out everywhere in my life. I work on Wall Street and everyone there knows I am gay. They also know that I am professional Bea Arthur impersonator. People either deal with it or move on. But every day I live my life as who I am. Not as someone people think I should be.
Riddle this one Batman:
Isn't Dark Shadows post Barnabas about a man who lives his life with a secret? Who is befriended by a woman who wants to make him normal? Only for him to find out that he was destined to be his old self because he could conquer evil and defend the people he cared about?
I find it absurd that there is intolerance in a group that should be celebrating diversity. We don't treat differently any of the fans who come to festivals who have special needs. Why should gay people be treated differently.
Putting some clarity around this. Let me make clear the following. Many of the actors on DS have worked and had deep friendships with gay people there whole lives. I know this as I consider Marie Wallace a friend, Lara, and as everyone knows Nancy and Peter and I worked together. I can't think of three more accepting and loving women in the world.
So in closing let me just say. Step out of the closet if you are in it¢â‚¬¦even in a small way. After all October 8th is National Coming Out day, embrace who you are. Allow the world to know you accept people despite their life partners, hairstyle, disability, if they wear fangs, etc¢â‚¬¦
Last night we celebrated Craig's life in Peter and my last show of this Judy/Bea run at Helen's. We both dedicated songs to Craig and talked about this courageous and gifted man. We showed a picture of him, and him and Louie, and his books. In attendance were Janet Ferrara (Craig's "Grace"), Marie Wallace, Joe Franklin, Jim Colucci, Frank De Caro, RJ Jamison, and a host of others. We laughed together, we cried together, and we knew he was watching. I also know he is watching this and somewhere I feel the pat on the back.
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Midnite, Dom, MB:
Thank YOU for making this board such a safe & diverse space!!!!
John: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Coming Out Day Nov 11th?
David
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John, you SING IT sister! ;D
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Sounds like a wonderful evening in Craig's memory- wish I were there (sigh).....
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Now people, we all know why Shadow gram didn't mention Craig's life partner don't we ?? If his life partner was just his "friend" she would have printed that wouldn't she?
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Well, a friend of his did post in another topic that Craig had requested that donations be given to the NY ASPCA.
That would be me. I also retracted that comment in another post.
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I can't believe that SG did not mention the core of his life...Joe Salvatore....it seems to me that a proper obituary (if that is what they were going for) would included the people left behind that he loved....but obviously they did not know this....why is the truth so hidden even after 40 years of DS.
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Also Craig not alone befriended Nancy Barrett it was him that convinced her to come to a fest. He organized all her performances at the fest and in other areana's. Craig was very close to some actor's that appeared on DS maybe this didn't sit will with other people. we all know who they are.
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shadowgram not mentioning craigs lover is not a shock to me. i cant recall any shadowgrams where the word gay is mentioned. shadowgram also refrains from reporting deaths from A.I.D.S. when joel crothers died it was reported as cancer. i cant remember for sure but i think the same was said about kieth prentice and chris bernaus deaths.
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Craig was very close to some actor's that appeared on DS maybe this didn't sit will with other people. we all know who they are.
I made this observation as well privately to John and Peter---
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I can't believe that SG did not mention the core of his life...Joe Salvatore...
I'm sure ShadowGram was trying to not upset those fans who have different views, but how is the world to advance toward peace and acceptance if we continue to pander to those who disapprove of a lifestyle? Love is love, and anyone lucky enough to find it should celebrate it! I believe ShadowGram owes Joe an apology.
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Now people, we all know why Shadow gram didn't mention Craig's life partner don't we ?? If his life partner was just his "friend" she would have printed that wouldn't she?
It's unfortunate that we are even having this conversation in the first place, but I'd just like to point a few facts out here in case those reading this thread might think something is being made of nothing.
When Anthony George (http://mrjuggins.fcpages.com/gram/gram129.txt) passed away, the online SG update included information from published obituaries, but failed to mention his male partner who was named. When Dana Elcar (http://mrjuggins.fcpages.com/gram/gram135.txt) passed away, his survivors were mentioned, including a "beloved companion" of the opposite sex. Click on the gentlemen's names to see the notices.
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SG can mention that he befriended DS actors but not the fact that he left behind his soul mate and life partner - Joe Salvatore...
....The only way we can individually and collectively be catalysts for change is to speak up when there has been a wrong
But certain ppl in fandom, I *won't* mention names, but you know who they are, REFUSE to accept that homosexuality exists!
I was not at all surprised by the lack of taste in that SG obit for Craig. Not only that, but she got the charity info wrong.
I find this whole thread in rather poor taste. It seems a bit presumptuous to assume Mr. Hamrick would want himself turned into a political poster boy for gay rights on a Dark Shadows message board.
Thank YOU for making this board such a safe & diverse space!!!!
Safe for whom? It would seem that Marcy Robin is being crucified here. Just because she writes a tribute to a well-known DS fan in Shadowgram, and doesn't happen to mention who he shared his bed with, doesn't necessarily brand her as a homophobe. Am I a bit slow or is that not what is being insinuated here? If people have an issue like this with her, wouldn't it be more "tasteful" to take it up with her privately instead of smearing her name on a public forum?
Various posts keep mentioning these "people - we all know who they are."
Well, I don't know, and I bet a lot of members on here don't know either. This is all rather disturbing.
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i cant remember for sure but i think the same was said about kieth prentice and chris bernaus deaths.
You are correct sir!
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I find this whole thread in rather poor taste. It seems a bit presumptuous to assume Mr. Hamrick would want himself turned into a political poster boy for gay rights on a Dark Shadows message board.
Um, did you even know Craig? If you did, you'd know that he would most certainly be the FIRST one ringing in here that the omission of someone's life partner in an "obituary" just because said ppl were gay is the most egregiously WRONG thing to do! I think, perhaps, you should excuse yourself from speaking for Craig since you obviously did not know him! >:(
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I neglected to mention Anna Shock was there last night. Anna has been there for me in a way I hope to repay some day. She was the first one to make me laugh about Craig and his funny spirit. She drove all the way from NJ to Brooklyn to cheer Janet and I up on Monday. Last night she drove to get Janet from NJ to Brooklyn, drove to NYC for the show...drove Janet home...and then headed home to NJ. Because that is what friends do. They band together in crisis. The are not devisive or bitter or exclusionary. Anna they way you have helped Peter and I and for that I am eternally grateful. I love you Anna if you are out there.
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SG is a public publication, and as such its policies can be a matter for public discussion. However, I do agree that the inference and innuendo that has appeared in a few posts shouldn't be going on and it should be refrained from in any future postings.
Thanks. :)
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It would seem that Marcy Robin is being crucified here. Just because she writes a tribute to a well-known DS fan in Shadowgram, and doesn't happen to mention who he shared his bed with, doesn't necessarily brand her as a homophobe.
You're the only one who mentioned her by name, and NO ONE said she was a homophobe. So, not sure where you got that from. [hdscrt]
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Geeeeez, you only have to be mildly involved in DS fandom to know what a large gay following the show has. My apparently naive impression was that Dark Shadows fans tend to be a bit more enlightened and accepting. And you don't even have to be extremely deep to understand the many reasons the show spoke to so many people (gay or straight) who felt disenfranchised at some point during their lives. I'm very grateful to those who love this show for those very deep, personal reasons because let's face it folks - that's a really big part of the reason this show has survived 40 years to become the cult icon that it is.
And another thing I'd like to say - I think the fact that he worked and became genuine friends with many of the actors is wonderful and I couldn't be happier for him that he had the talent and opportunity to take him in that direction. I'll bet they all felt just as fortunate to have had him in their lives as well!
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Let me second Buzz' emotion. At the end of the day this is exactly the kind of conversation Craig would support.
Connie¢â‚¬¦Let me set another record straight...and I am in NO way speaking for Joe Salvatore. I am speaking from my perspective¢â‚¬¦and since you are still reading this you must be interested din what I think. By the way Connie Joe is Craig's Soulmate...and NOT JUST THE MAN HE "WHO HE SHARED HIS BED WITH". Talk about poor taste you (cant type it because it will get deleted)¢â‚¬¦person. Talk about an apology¢â‚¬¦let's start with yours.
Joe is a talented theater professional in his own right. I mention this as a matter of course in that many of his works he has written and/or directed surround one central theme...HOMOPHOBIA...you need only check out his website created by his life partner Craig. One of the last conversations Peter, Joe, Craig, and I had a few months ago talked about people finding their voice. Making sure that people were respected...that the truth was told. Joe wrote a piece called Transfigured which tells the true story of a homphobic hazing incident in Massachusetts at a prep school there. Horrible right that something like that could happen. They were kids...so perhaps they "didn't know better"...well people we are adults. We should know better.
We are not protecting anyone from DS in 2006 from 40 years ago.
We are not protecting Middle America...because there are a bunch of "Mos'" in the hinterland. In fact there are even some of my sisters of Sappho in California. Perhaps they would have the courage to read this¢â‚¬¦maybe even to right this wrong and we could all move on.
Craig considered the SG publication an "outstanding paper and email newsletter"...so now is the time to be outstanding...and perhaps even outspoken.
Is this a crucifixion?...while I do like your flair for the dramatic...that is absolutely a gross exaggeration of what is going on here. Like any letter to the Editor...people should know in a fair and balanced way how a person feels. I couldn't send this directly to SG since I don't trust it would get printed accurately or completely. I chose to post in a place where I felt safe and welcome.
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i remember the days when david was critisized and the disturbing thing was the ones critisizing him were gay.
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SG is a public publication, and as such its policies can be a matter for public discussion. However, I do agree that the inference and innuendo that has appeared in a few posts shouldn't be going on and it should be refrained from in any future postings.
Thanks. :)
Indeed. Let us all remember that we are all living on the same planet and that alot of us happen to enjoy a serial called, "Dark Shadows". This is not the place nor time to bring up political beliefs. We should be rejoicing in Craig's love for the program and his involvement. He made a difference, an everlasting one. I extend my condolences to Craig's partner and family, but Shadow Gram is a newsletter dedicated to DS.
Those of us that knew Craig will no doubt pay our respects in our own way. Okay? Everybody chill!!!
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How come I wrote a post quoting the NY Times about how the actoris who were in the original play "Boys In The Band"
died deleted? maybe because it stated and I will say it again NY Times that keith Prentice did die of Aids. Shadowgram says he died of Cancer now who do we believe Shadow gram or the NY TImes? and I know for a fact that so did Joel and Chris.
And I saw "Boys In The Band" with Craig when he first moved to NYC. I will speak only for myself here I knew Craig Hamrick very well. I loved him, most of alll I respected him. For the way he lived and died. He felt sad that men had to pretend to be something they weren't for the sake of there careers. He wrote about this in "Big Lou" He was told many stories about hidden love affairs. But those stories took place in the 60's. This is 2006 and you delete a post I wrote about someone being gay? Next time you are at a fest take a long look around you you meant see some gay people.
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Yes, it is sad when anyone has to pretend to be something else he or she is not for the sake of a career or, in some parts of the country and world, just to not get beaten up or killed. In any obituary the family should be mentioned and certainly in the case of a homosexual couple, the surviving partner. This strays a bit from DS but does anyone remember the All in the Family episode where Edith and Archie travelled somewhere to visit a cousin's home - the cousin had recently died. Anyway, the cousin had a "special friend" and Edith and Archie soon found out that the "special friend" was in fact the cousin's longtime lover. Archie wigged out, of course, Edith reminded him that "you ain't God" and a special family heirloom Edith was planning on taking home with her was instead given to the girfrlend of the cousin. "I think you should have this instead," Edith said, something like this. As a teenager watching the show, it was a lesson to me as I had not much exposure to what gays have to endure at times and it taught me something. It's that lesson that causes me to be sad Joe was not mentioned in the obit. I learn other lessons from my friends and my brother who have had many trials to face because of their sexuality.
If someone has a problem with homosexuality, DS fandom is a really bad place for him or her to be. ::)
Nancy
And I saw "Boys In The Band" with Craig when he first moved to NYC. I will speak only for myself here I knew Craig Hamrick very well. I loved him, most of alll I respected him. For the way he lived and died. He felt sad that men had to pretend to be something they weren't for the sake of there careers. He wrote about this in "Big Lou" He was told many stories about hidden love affairs. But those stories took place in the 60's. This is 2006 and you delete a post I wrote about someone being gay? Next time you are at a fest take a long look around you you meant see some gay people.
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I agree with what the posters are saying about the neglect in mentioning Craig's partner Joe, but lets not get lost, a wonderful person has passed away and we should stop the bickering and concentrate on Craig and his legacy.
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I believe there are quite a few people with this problem, Janet. There isn't anything stupider in my mind than being jealous over someone's friendship with an actor or any celebrity. As if being friends gets your taxes paid for free or makes life wonderful.
Nancy
Also Craig not alone befriended Nancy Barrett it was him that convinced her to come to a fest. He organized all her performances at the fest and in other areana's. Craig was very close to some actor's that appeared on DS maybe this didn't sit will with other people.
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Yes, it is sad when anyone has to pretend to be something else he or she is not for the sake of a career or, in some parts of the country and world, just to not get beaten up or killed. In any obituary the family should be mentioned and certainly in the case of a homosexual couple, the surviving partner. This strays a bit from DS but does anyone remember the All in the Family episode where Edith and Archie travelled somewhere to visit a cousin's home - the cousin had recently died. Anyway, the cousin had a "special friend" and Edith and Archie soon found out that the "special friend" was in fact the cousin's longtime lover. Archie wigged out, of course, Edith reminded him that "you ain't God" and a special family heirloom Edith was planning on taking home with her was instead given to the girfrlend of the cousin. "I think you should have this instead," Edith said, something like this. As a teenager watching the show, it was a lesson to me as I had not much exposure to what gays have to endure at times and it taught me something. It's that lesson that causes me to be sad Joe was not mentioned in the obit. I learn other lessons from my friends and my brother who have had many trials to face because of their sexuality.
By the way, the episode Nancy's referring to is from Season 8, which is not on DVD yet.
A little bit of a sidebar, but I'm sure Craig, author of Classic TV Quiz books would not mind. ;)
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Hey Darren, Craug and I had a running joke about who was the first married couple to sleep in the same bed? does anyone want to take a guess before I write it here?
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Carol and Mike Brady?
Hey Darren, Craug and I had a running joke about who was the first married couple to sleep in the same bed? does anyone want to take a guess before I write it here?
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How come I wrote a post quoting the NY Times about how the actoris who were in the original play "Boys In The Band"
died deleted?
Don't know what you're talking about. The only posts deleted from these boards in the past 2 weeks were duplicates. And quoting the NY Times, as long as it's on topic, is not contrary to any board guideline.
Are you sure that the post was submitted?
This is 2006 and you delete a post I wrote about someone being gay? Next time you are at a fest take a long look around you you meant see some gay people.
To whom are you speaking? Like I said, I don't know what post you could be referring to.
The Forum guideline is as follows: 7. These boards are not forums for the spreading of gossip or innuendo, or the defaming of the DS actors' private lives. Comment on their public behavior, whether it be a personal appearance or in the course of some other form of public exposure (i.e. a talk show, Fest appearance, etc.) is perfectly acceptable, however.
Posting published information is accepted on the boards. Innuendo and hearsay are not.
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i have tried to stay out of this conversation because i didn't know craig personally.
but the lack of mention of one's life partner in an obituary is a signifigant slight to say the least.when a heterosexual person dies you can bet his or her spouse and children will get words of condolence.
connie,
i'm sorry to hear that you find the subject under discusion here to be "disturbing" and "in poor taste".
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Are you sure that the post was submitted?
Half of it was, the half that quoted the Times about what the actors died from that were in the play "Boys in The Band"
and it is a fact that shadowgram has something againtest gay people also. How many years is it going to say Keith died from Cancer when we know he died of Aids. And the Anthong George thing that was posted before. Why not say he had a life partner. ?
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Who should this board & the Fests be safe for Connie?
How about everyone?
Connie, please go back & read my post about how I was accused of child molestation & prostitution
simply because I was openly gay~~an incident my good friend joe integlia remembers.
Thanks in part to Craig Hamrick, and in part to this board, DS Fandom is now safe for me!
Thank you Craig, and Joe Salvatore.
God Bless you both!!!!!!!
I urge more people in fandom, not just gay men, but lesbians, bisexuals, and transgenders to stand up proudly and be who you are.
That is the best way you could honor Craig Hamrick's memory, and the work that he & Joe did together.
Around 1988, I knew somene who was thinking of making an AIDS quilt for Joel Crothers. He didn't go through with it because people on the Fest committe asked him not to out of respect to Joel's wishes.
Come out, come out, wherever you are!
Honor Craig, Louis by being honest about who you are.
In doing so, you'll honor yourself!
David
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I love you! This is a perfect summation of my feelings. Well said and thanks for the visual..I can hear Edith in my head now.
Warmly,
Jojm
Yes, it is sad when anyone has to pretend to be something else he or she is not for the sake of a career or, in some parts of the country and world, just to not get beaten up or killed. In any obituary the family should be mentioned and certainly in the case of a homosexual couple, the surviving partner. This strays a bit from DS but does anyone remember the All in the Family episode where Edith and Archie travelled somewhere to visit a cousin's home - the cousin had recently died. Anyway, the cousin had a "special friend" and Edith and Archie soon found out that the "special friend" was in fact the cousin's longtime lover. Archie wigged out, of course, Edith reminded him that "you ain't God" and a special family heirloom Edith was planning on taking home with her was instead given to the girfrlend of the cousin. "I think you should have this instead," Edith said, something like this. As a teenager watching the show, it was a lesson to me as I had not much exposure to what gays have to endure at times and it taught me something. It's that lesson that causes me to be sad Joe was not mentioned in the obit. I learn other lessons from my friends and my brother who have had many trials to face because of their sexuality.
If someone has a problem with homosexuality, DS fandom is a really bad place for him or her to be. ::)
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If I may, I'd like to point people to the Michael Korda thread started by Julia99.
There you'll see a link to Craig's obit in San Francisco's
Bay Area Reporter, published today.
Shadowgram, take note!!!!
David
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Yo Connie, answer me this one. Why did shadowgram say Dana Elcar left behind a woman but when it came to Anthony George nothing was said. hummmmmm. And I knew Craig so please don't assume what he would have thought of this thread. I know what he would have thought of it. And if you want to know read "Big Lou"
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Trust me Janet we are focused on his legacy. That is the point here. Why shouldn't a fan of any age read ShadowGram or any document that speaks about Craig and not get to see the full picture? What if a fan read this and was so compelled because they loved Craig's work to actually feel confident he to could be successful as an out gay man.
Let me give you an example of the amazing power of words. Last night I mentioned earlier Frank De Caro (TV's Ive Got A Secret) was in the audience supporting us. A young man read Frank's book that he wrote ten years ago. The book is called "A Boy Named Phyliss". It is his autobiography about growing up in a homophobic part of NJ to Italian Immigrant parents. A young mand named Jim Colucci also lived in a homphobic community in NJ nd was conflicted due to also being gay and from Italian immigrant parents. He read the book. He found comfort in knowing he was not alone. It changed his life. He was able to come out and is now himself a succssful author. His TV books have sold thousands of copies. He tracked Frank down to let him know about the amazing impact he had on his life. He and Frank are also now a couple so that is also a nice bow on the package.
I agree with what the posters are saying about the neglect in mentioning Craig's partner Joe, but lets not get lost, a wonderful person has passed away and we should stop the bickering and concentrate on Craig and his legacy.
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I am so offended that someone who didn't know Craig would assume anything.... Craig would be the first person on this board defending what he felt was right. Craig lived his life open and free. Accepting of those who accepted him. Everything that SG wrote about Craigs life was true...yet the most important thing...the thing that helped him live for the past 4 years with this horrible disease was left out... How can anything (his writing, his career, his publications) be deemed more important than mentioning the man who held him when he was sick.
John, you know I love you and Peter very much.... Janet, you are a true friend for my entire life.... and BuzzH....you rock my good friend.... I love you all so much....
Anna
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Half of it was, the half that quoted the Times about what the actors died from that were in the play "Boys in The Band"
I haven't seen the post; if one of the other mods edited your comments, then they can provide the explanation. But I can assure you that it was not removed because of a lack of sensitivity, or because it stated that Joel Crothers, Chris Bernau, or Keith Prentice died from complications of AIDS when this information has been published in Craig's "Barnabas & Company." However, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I understood that it was omitted from all of Joel Crother's obituaries at the time of his death at the request of his family. Thankfully, Craig rectified this.
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There is alot of passion on this subject. It comes down to the fact the man was well loved by many people. In the end it does not really matter what other people think of you. The people who love you,care for you when you are sick and make you feel good about yourself are the ones that count.
Not mentioning someone's live partner was in poor taste but in the end when we all go it is not the obituary that tells about us, it is the friends,family and loved ones who share their memories of us, cry and laugh together. No piece of paper,publication or newspapter can put in words our true worth or the value of a relationship.
Just my thoughts
Teresa
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Wasn't Louis Edmonds retired by the time BIG LOU was published?
Nancy
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You deleted something Mcfly said.
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I was also told that by someone not involved in fandom but knew Joel Crothers. I don't know whether it's true or not.
Just as a sidebar: I'm all for someone being loud and proud about who they are. I don't like people who "out" those who are still struggling to come to terms with their orientation. I recall one such "outing" lead to the suicide of the person who was outed. The individual was still trying to come to terms with it and not ready. That has to be respected as a matter of common decency.
Nancy
However, and please correct me if I'm wrong, I understood that it was omitted from all of Joel Crother's obituaries at the request of his family. Thankfully, Craig rectified this.
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Why I bother with this, I don't know. Don't take what I said and twist and turn it to mean something else.
Here's the bottom line:
I just find it disrespectful to use someone's death PLUS someone else's failure to note that person's partner in a death notice, as a jumping-off point to preach and politicize. Then it goes into someone else's personal problems of being persecuted by DS fans five years ago. I was under the impression that these different types of political issues were off limits here.
It also struck me as unfair to make negative assumptions about someone because they didn't put any survived-by info in a newsletter. That's why I didn't think it appropriate to make inferences in a public manner. No one knows what is in her heart or why or why not Craig's partner was not mentioned.
For the record: I feel a person's partner/soul-mate - whatever you want to call them, should always be noted in an obituary in the same way anyone's loved ones are noted. That does not mean however, that I would jump to conclusions about the writer if they were to omit something.
That's all. Now if it makes some of you feel better to preach at me, or make certain assumptions about me, (someone you don't even know), then by all means, go to it. This is the very thing you are decrying.
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AGREED which is what we are also trying to accomplish here by having this frank and open dialogue sharing with each other...and hopefully also to get people to think differently moving forward.
There is alot of passion on this subject. It comes down to the fact the man was well loved by many people. In the end it does not really matter what other people think of you. The people who love you,care for you when you are sick and make you feel good about yourself are the ones that count.
Not mentioning someone's live partner was in poor taste but in the end when we all go it is not the obituary that tells about us, it is the friends,family and loved ones who share their memories of us, cry and laugh together. No piece of paper,publication or newspapter can put in words our true worth or the value of a relationship.
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Connie: when noting the cause of death for Joel Crothers, Chris Bernau & Keith Prentice, Shadowgram has lied for years.
They died of AIDS.
Once is an honest mistake.
After 20 years, it ceases to be a mistake.
And, BTW, Louis told me that Keith Prentice was also an out gay man.
So why cover it up?
Furthermore, Shadowgram NEVER acknowledges same sex partnerhips within fandom, EVER.
Not even when both parties in the couple are out.
David
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You deleted something Mcfly said.
Yes, I did, because it violated her user agreement. If she wants further clarification, I will explain it to her off the boards.
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hmmmmmm...I accept your apology
Why I bother with this, I don't know. Don't take what I said and twist and turn it to mean something else.
Here's the bottom line:
I just find it disrespectful to use someone's death PLUS someone else's failure to note that person's partner in a death notice, as a jumping-off point to preach and politicize. Then it goes into someone else's personal problems of being persecuted by DS fans five years ago. I was under the impression that these different types of political issues were off limits here.
It also struck me as unfair to make negative assumptions about someone because they didn't put any survived-by info in a newsletter. That's why I didn't think it appropriate to make inferences in a public manner. No one knows what is in her heart or why or why not Craig's partner was not mentioned.
For the record: I feel a person's partner/soul-mate - whatever you want to call them, should always be noted in an obituary in the same way anyone's loved ones are noted. That does not mean however, that I would jump to conclusions about the writer if they were to omit something.
That's all. Now if it makes some of you feel better to preach at me, or make certain assumptions about me, (someone you don't even know), then by all means, go to it. This is the very thing you are decrying.
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Here's the bottom line:
I just find it disrespectful to use someone's death PLUS someone else's failure to note that person's partner in a death notice, as a jumping-off point to preach and politicize. Then it goes into someone else's personal problems of being persecuted by DS fans five years ago. I was under the impression that these different types of political issues were off limits here.
This is a political issue pertaining to DS fandom. And as MB said, ShadowGram is a DS publication. What you are calling "a jump to conclusions," I call an established pattern.
Besides, you lampooned fan politics yourself recently in this post:
I'm not knowledgeable about DS fandom.
You're fortunate in this regard.
<sure>
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Whoa. Looks like my post went in Mr. Ed's compost pile.
Let it go, folks. We have mega issues overseas AND here at home.
For Christs sake! Can't we all get along???
F**k it. I'm off to watch "Leave it to Beaver".
I want to watch Ward make the Beave a happy camper...
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I don't see this thread as having anything to do with political beliefs. It has been a longstanding "tradition" in the history of obituraries to mention the survivors especially those with whom there is a romantic relationship be it married, not married or somewhere in between. We see this every single day in the newspaper. It has nothing to do with politics or one's political beliefs.
Nancy
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hmmmmmm...I accept your apology
John, did I mention that I love you! ;)
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You know after 20 years do you really think the publication will change it's stripes? No matter what we yell about here at each other blinders will remain on some in FanDumb and will always remain.
Let's close this discussion with a prayer for peace and understanding AND heart felt sympathy to Joe, Craig's spouse.
And the hopes that the future will bring tolerance and understanding and celebration of our differences.
Special Message to my friends I love you all Peter, John, Buzz and my Special Karlenfan ;) and MsCriseyde!
LdyAnne
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I just want to say this, Sunday I lost a friend. I layed in his bed with him on Saturday and spoke to him knowing somehow there would be a call from Joe the next morning. Yes, I know how brilliant he was, he was a great talent. He was also a great friend and pulled me out of more messes than I could count. He called me everyday when I had my hystrectomy and of course we know what he was going though. I still hear his voice in my head. I remember him telling me all about this great guy he meet named Joe. Craig touched so many people's lives by his work and I thank a Higher Power that his work will live forever. But you see my friend didn't last long enough to see 40. All these posts about Gay rights would mean the world to Craig I can hear him saying write people write! He was a boy when I first meet him. Hidding from the straight world of the mid-west In NYC he became what he always was a proud gay man. Some of us here are putting thier hands on the keyboard and writing about Craig or gay rights. And Then shut off the machine and just forget it. How do I shut off my feelings of loss? how does Joe? or Craig's mother who lost a child as a mom myself I can't think of a greater pain.
I get into bed and talk to Craig. My child is 10 she may have memories of him there is video now. But he can't hold her. You see people. to me Craig isn't a post he was my strenght when I was ill which I am right now. He made me laugh at myself, he made me brave, proud and grateful. I know somewhere near Joe is griefing for his partner also a pain I can't even think of. I am leaving him to that pain to work though for right now. For 4 years I held my breathe when Craig had to have yet another operation. If I called and heard Joe's voice I choked up for a monent.
There are people on this board who are morning a great loss that is to be respected. Without those people right now I would be out of control right now. So please remember Craig isn't just a post he was a proud gay man and I have to explain to my 10 year old what happened to him and where he is. So to people like Connie remember that when my phone rings it will never be Craig again. I cry, I laugh, I ask questions of God, but most of all I remember that boy that came off that plane 13 years ago and I smile. One day I will smile again when I think of the man he became here in my city, our city. My daughter will know who he was what he stood for 20 years from now. Connie, will you remember your post that long from now? Craig was about words, beautiful words of love and friendship. Love to my friends who have gotten me though this
Janet
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:)
John, did I mention that I love you! ;)
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Beth we love you to, and a point has been made. You are a calming influence and I agree to the prayer.
You know after 20 years do you really think the publication will change it's stripes? No matter what we yell about here at each other blinders will remain on some in FanDumb and will always remain.
Let's close this discussion with a prayer for peace and understanding AND heart felt sympathy to Joe, Craig's spouse.
And the hopes that the future will bring tolerance and understanding and celebration of our differences.
Special Message to my friends I love you all Peter, John, Buzz and my Special Karlenfan ;) and MsCriseyde!
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janet,
You are a remarkable and dynamic woman. I am grateful for your passion and presence in my life.
Thank you for your inspired and courageous words below.
All I can say is WOW. You captured so eloquently the roller coaster you are on. We are here for you.
Love,
John
I just want to say this, Sunday I lost a friend. I layed in his bed with him on Saturday and spoke to him knowing somehow there would be a call from Joe the next morning. Yes, I know how brilliant he was, he was a great talent. He was also a great friend and pulled me out of more messes than I could count. He called me everyday when I had my hystrectomy and of course we know what he was going though. I still hear his voice in my head. I remember him telling me all about this great guy he meet named Joe. Craig touched so many people's lives by his work and I thank a Higher Power that his work will live forever. But you see my friend didn't last long enough to see 40. All these posts about Gay rights would mean the world to Craig I can hear him saying write people write! He was a boy when I first meet him. Hidding from the straight world of the mid-west In NYC he became what he always was a proud gay man. Some of us here are putting thier hands on the keyboard and writing about Craig or gay rights. And Then shut off the machine and just forget it. How do I shut off my feelings of loss? how does Joe? or Craig's mother who lost a child as a mom myself I can't think of a greater pain.
I get into bed and talk to Craig. My child is 10 she may have memories of him there is video now. But he can't hold her. You see people. to me Craig isn't a post he was my strenght when I was ill which I am right now. He made me laugh at myself, he made me brave, proud and grateful. I know somewhere near Joe is griefing for his partner also a pain I can't even think of. I am leaving him to that pain to work though for right now. For 4 years I held my breathe when Craig had to have yet another operation. If I called and heard Joe's voice I choked up for a monent.
There are people on this board who are morning a great loss that is to be respected. Without those people right now I would be out of control right now. So please remember Craig isn't just a post he was a proud gay man and I have to explain to my 10 year old what happened to him and where he is. So to people like Connie remember that when my phone rings it will never be Craig again. I cry, I laugh, I ask questions of God, but most of all I remember that boy that came off that plane 13 years ago and I smile. One day I will smile again when I think of the man he became here in my city, our city. My daughter will know who he was what he stood for 20 years from now. Connie, will you remember your post that long from now? Craig was about words, beautiful words of love and friendship. Love to my friends who have gotten me though this
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Half of it was, the half that quoted the Times about what the actors died from that were in the play "Boys in The Band"
I haven't seen the post; if one of the other mods edited your comments, then they can provide the explanation. But I can assure you that it was not removed because of a lack of sensitivity, or because it stated that Joel Crothers, Chris Bernau, or Keith Prentice died from complications of AIDS when this information has been published in Craig's "Barnabas & Company."
I think I know what *might* have happened. I edited reply #12 because I noticed that Phoebe had included a quote from Midnite's reply #6 - but had simply typed in the quote rather than using the forum's quote system to attribute the quote to Midnite's post. (I did something very similar on Tuesday with Phoebe's quote from Miranda's reply #43 in the "Craig Hamrick" topic on this board.) Acccording to the Forum's Moderation Log, I did this at 04:42:07pm ET / 01:42:07pm PT. So, if Phoebe was somehow still adding the parts about the NY Times to reply #12 at the same as I was editing it, but she saved her version from her browser before I saved mine, my copy, which would have been without any references to the NY Times, would have replaced hers.
If, however, the references to the NY Times were not in reply #12 and were not being added around the time I cited, then I have absolutely no explanation as to how they disappeared. Midnite and I have been the only mods editing posts today, and as Midnite stated, there wouldn't have been any reason for either of us to have removed anything like that from a post. As both of us have stated numerous times through the years, any info, regardless of its nature, that can be attributed to a reputable source (which the NY Times would be) would not be considered "the spreading of gossip or innuendo, or the defaming of the DS actors' private lives" and would not be removed from the forum as per Guideline #7.
All that being said, however, once our host provides us with a copy of today's access_log, I can check to see if anything strange went on this afternoon/early evening that we're not aware of because the access_log details every last little thing that happens on the forum at the exact second it takes place. :)
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"My reaction to grief is a certain kind of nervous action," she wrote in her diaries shortly after the assassination of John Kennedy. "I just keep moving, walking, pulling away at things, praying to myself while I move, and making up my mind that it is not going to get me. I am not going to be licked by tragedy, as life is a challenge and we must carry on and work for the living as well as mourn for the dead."
The above is What Rose Kennedy said in her diary that was recently released about the passing of her son John Kennedy. I thought it was an interesting commentary about dealing with grief. I am indeed praying to myself as I move every day as I mourn for Craig. I do think Mrs. Kennedy had a lot more gumption than I have.
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It was also quoted by Craig on his Dark Shadows Online website. As we all know he was a thorough researcher and wouldn't have published anything with fact or documentation.
The link to Craig's Joel bio is at:
http://www.darkshadowsonline.com/where-crothers.html
Craig wrote:
Joel's final soap role was on Santa Barbara in 1985. He died of complications for AIDS on November 6, 1985.
I know for a fact from Craig the source material for this quote was the NY Times article Janet references. As well as verification he had from personal sources who knew Joel.
I can assure you that it was not removed because of a lack of sensitivity, or because it stated that Joel Crothers, Chris Bernau, or Keith Prentice died from complications of AIDS when this information has been published in Craig's "Barnabas & Company."
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As I am here for you both. Last night I was able to express my grief totally. I never learned how to express emotion as a child. At your brilliant show you and Peter allowed me to be me. That is a gift I will never forget. And you saying what I wrote was good means so much since you are both so talented in the area.
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It also struck me as unfair to make negative assumptions about someone because they didn't put any survived-by info in a newsletter. That's why I didn't think it appropriate to make inferences in a public manner. No one knows what is in her heart or why or why not Craig's partner was not mentioned.
All I have to say to the above comment is that it doesn't matter what is "in her heart". What difference does that make? Is it not the objective of any news reporter to remain unbiased in the news they present to the public? And even though this is a fan magazine, it is still a form of new media, am I wrong? Thusly, the producers of said news media should remain unbiased. If they hate gays, wonderful! That's them. That's not everyone else. And truth be told, it's not like we need someone else pushing their views on us, whether consciously or subconsciously or unconsciously. (Please do not confuse the former statement with providing opinions. Everything said here is an opinion. This is not pushing views on other people. Just thought I'd clear that up so that holes could not be made of my argument).
Furthermore, I do think that people should speak out about this injustice, misprint, on-purpose misprint, or oversight, or whatever you want to call it. If no one spoke out about things like these throughout history--why, women still may not be able to vote, blacks might still be working the white mans field, and stupid laws might still be in place. Speaking out or speaking up in front of something that is incorrect or wrong is what our country is about. Simple as that. And anyone who doesn't like those who freely open their mouth (sometimes inserting foot as I often do, but not at this point in time) can simply not read what is written or turn their iPod on.
I didn't know Craig, but knowing quite a few gay people myself, I know that it is a community that is totally for one another and who will stand up for their rights. And who shouldn't? Women did, black people did. Why not gays? It may take time but I believe acceptance will happen.
I'll admit--I did not know Craig personally, aside from meeting and speaking with him for a few minutes at the fest. I believe those who say that Craig would support this. As for me, I'm up for any good argument. But this is not what this is, in my opinion. No, this is something that everyone should pay attention to. This is something that's happening nationwide, not just within our own fandom. And I think that it speaks volumes that certian people can't even correctly print what someone died of. So what if they died of AIDS, or AIDS complications, or what-have-you. The fact is that they DIED, and lying about what they died from not only is a disservice to getting word out about this deadly disease, but it also desecrates the memory of the person. They may have fought courageously against this dease, and omitting the fact that they died from it undercuts all the effort they put in to circumventing the outcome.
As was mentioned by many, ShadowGram is a public magazine (or whatever you call it), and as such, it's duty as a form of news media is to report the facts correctly, whether or not agreed with by the ACTUAL PUBLIC. For who are we but a bunch of people with opinions anyway? If you don't like what you read, hear, see, or think (hopefully not the latter) then you must be living in the wrong area of the world.
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Your right John, Craig knew what actor I had the hot's for (Don Briscoe) and that I had every line from "Boys in The Band" memorized. And I also watch to much TV and I know who the first couple was to sleep in a double bed . This was a long time joke between us. The night of the acadmeny awards my favorite actor showed up with his mother! my phone rang in a second I heard this long hard laugh saying sorry sister he is one of my own. Well, Craig that is to be seen. I can laugh forever one day just on my memories.
Janet/Gracie
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So, Janet the answer to your trivia question. Is it Bert and Ernie?
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Hey Darren, Craug and I had a running joke about who was the first married couple to sleep in the same bed? does anyone want to take a guess before I write it here?
There is an absolutely hysterical scene in I Love Lucy in which, not Lucy and Ricky are in bed together, but Fred and Ethel. It is in an episode during which all four are driving across America to Los Angeles and get stuck overnight in a seedy motel. There are only two bed: a bunk bed which Lucy and Ricky take, one in the upper, the other in the lower, and a large single bed for Fred and Ethel. The mattress is so worn and out of shape that it collapses in the middle and both would be smashed together in the bottom of the V. So Ethel goes through a long, complicated, laborious trial of twisting, tying and stuffing sheets around Fred to secure him to one side and then she crawls in on the other, Lucy and Ricky watching mesmerized. When Ethel sees their expressions, she nonchalantly shrugs and says: "Our bed is the same way back home."
Gerard
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So, Janet the answer to your trivia question. Is it Bert and Ernie?
I think it's a hard question to answer. I remember reading that there was a TV comedy back in the very early fifties which showed a married couple in the same bed. Some TV historians say the first "permanent" married TV sitcom couple shown sharing the same bed (I believe in the second season; before that they had twin beds, but if Pebbles was to come along, they needed more appropriate sleeping arrangements) and Fred and Wilma Flintstone. Even though The Flintstones was a prime-time series for quite a few years, it was animated, so some argue it doesn't count. Others say it was Samantha and Darren in Bewitched.
Gerard
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I just want to say this, Sunday I lost a friend. I layed in his bed with him on Saturday and spoke to him knowing somehow there would be a call from Joe the next morning. Yes, I know how brilliant he was, he was a great talent. He was also a great friend and pulled me out of more messes than I could count. He called me everyday when I had my hystrectomy and of course we know what he was going though. I still hear his voice in my head. I remember him telling me all about this great guy he meet named Joe. Craig touched so many people's lives by his work and I thank a Higher Power that his work will live forever. But you see my friend didn't last long enough to see 40. All these posts about Gay rights would mean the world to Craig I can hear him saying write people write! He was a boy when I first meet him. Hidding from the straight world of the mid-west In NYC he became what he always was a proud gay man. Some of us here are putting thier hands on the keyboard and writing about Craig or gay rights. And Then shut off the machine and just forget it. How do I shut off my feelings of loss? how does Joe? or Craig's mother who lost a child as a mom myself I can't think of a greater pain.
I get into bed and talk to Craig. My child is 10 she may have memories of him there is video now. But he can't hold her. You see people. to me Craig isn't a post he was my strenght when I was ill which I am right now. He made me laugh at myself, he made me brave, proud and grateful. I know somewhere near Joe is griefing for his partner also a pain I can't even think of. I am leaving him to that pain to work though for right now. For 4 years I held my breathe when Craig had to have yet another operation. If I called and heard Joe's voice I choked up for a monent.
There are people on this board who are morning a great loss that is to be respected. Without those people right now I would be out of control right now. So please remember Craig isn't just a post he was a proud gay man and I have to explain to my 10 year old what happened to him and where he is. So to people like Connie remember that when my phone rings it will never be Craig again. I cry, I laugh, I ask questions of God, but most of all I remember that boy that came off that plane 13 years ago and I smile. One day I will smile again when I think of the man he became here in my city, our city. My daughter will know who he was what he stood for 20 years from now. Connie, will you remember your post that long from now? Craig was about words, beautiful words of love and friendship. Love to my friends who have gotten me though this
Janet,
i can't put into words how much my heart is with you..... and John and Peter and BuzzH and all the people that Craigs presence made a difference to. He certainly touched my life, taught me to laugh more at myself, and was such a generous spirit to me. Years ago he made me a shadowbox with everything that was important to me....Janet, DS, himself, just my whole world in one little box....I wish I could have taken that box and froze in time so that he would still be here. Here to watch your daughter grow, Janet. Here to make me smile. We even had a song.... and when I get there my friend, we will do that stupid "tainted Love" dance...I promise....
Anna
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So, Janet the answer to your trivia question. Is it Bert and Ernie?
Ah...TV's FIRST gay couple! ;) Even at 6 I knew this! ;D
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All I have to say to the above comment is that it doesn't matter what is "in her heart". What difference does that make? Is it not the objective of any news reporter to remain unbiased in the news they present to the public? And even though this is a fan magazine, it is still a form of new media, am I wrong? Thusly, the producers of said news media should remain unbiased. If they hate gays, wonderful! That's them. That's not everyone else. And truth be told, it's not like we need someone else pushing their views on us, whether consciously or subconsciously or unconsciously. (Please do not confuse the former statement with providing opinions. Everything said here is an opinion. This is not pushing views on other people. Just thought I'd clear that up so that holes could not be made of my argument).
Furthermore, I do think that people should speak out about this injustice, misprint, on-purpose misprint, or oversight, or whatever you want to call it. If no one spoke out about things like these throughout history--why, women still may not be able to vote, blacks might still be working the white mans field, and stupid laws might still be in place. Speaking out or speaking up in front of something that is incorrect or wrong is what our country is about. Simple as that. And anyone who doesn't like those who freely open their mouth (sometimes inserting foot as I often do, but not at this point in time) can simply not read what is written or turn their iPod on. I didn't know Craig, but knowing quite a few gay people myself, I know that it is a community that is totally for one another and who will stand up for their rights. And who shouldn't? Women did, black people did. Why not gays? It may take time but I believe acceptance will happen.
I'll admit--I did not know Craig personally, aside from meeting and speaking with him for a few minutes at the fest. I believe those who say that Craig would support this. As for me, I'm up for any good argument. But this is not what this is, in my opinion. No, this is something that everyone should pay attention to. This is something that's happening nationwide, not just within our own fandom. And I think that it speaks volumes that certian people can't even correctly print what someone died of. So what if they died of AIDS, or AIDS complications, or what-have-you. The fact is that they DIED, and lying about what they died from not only is a disservice to getting word out about this deadly disease, but it also desecrates the memory of the person. They may have fought courageously against this dease, and omitting the fact that they died from it undercuts all the effort they put in to circumventing the outcome.
As was mentioned by many, ShadowGram is a public magazine (or whatever you call it), and as such, it's duty as a form of news media is to report the facts correctly, whether or not agreed with by the ACTUAL PUBLIC. For who are we but a bunch of people with opinions anyway? If you don't like what you read, hear, see, or think (hopefully not the latter) then you must be living in the wrong area of the world.
Brandon, you've captured EXACTLY how I feel on this subject. Beautiful! ;)
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TV trivia is fascinating, but has nothing to do with DS and the topic. Please take the discussion to private messaging or perhaps a trivia forum. Thanks!
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Forgive me if someone else already suggested this:
I've read most, but not all, of the posts in this thread:
we need to tell Shadowgram how we feel about this:
Shadowgram@aol.com
And if she doesn't listen, a good, old fashioned boycott always works!
Next month, in the Bay Area Reporter in SF CA, I'll be doing my annual Halloween column: reviewing horror films with gay content/subtext, etc.
I plan on giving this board an honorable mention as a safe space for gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgender DS/horror fans.
Again, thank you for everything, Midnite, MB, Dom, but mostly, thank you Craig.
And may God/the Universe guide Joe Salvatore to a place of healing for his pain.
David
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great idea but this boycott was attempted in 1989 for different reasons. didnt have much success. back then shadowgram wouldnt promote a local ds fan club which contradicts the statement in every issue of shadowgram that invites everyone to share info/photos etc. we even had stars appear at our meetings but never a mention in shadowgram because of some conflict between the editor and club president so shadowgram deprived fans of information because of personal conflicts.
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I highly recommend expressing your displeasure directly to Shadowgram via email.
They seem to be sending out a form response, according to another forum I read, but as many people unhappy with this should make it known to them.
What compounds this insult to me is the possibility, knowing Shadowgram, that this insulting obit will be running for the next 20 years in every irregular issue.
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What compounds this insult to me is the possibility, knowing Shadowgram, that this insulting obit will be running for the next 20 years in every irregular issue.
Unfortunately, that is probably a correct assumption. And I doubt that even if everyone on this board and in the fandom voiced their opinion about this issue that they'd even listen in the first place. I would suggest a fest boycott, but then again, I'd hate to see the repercussions of that.
Brandon, you've captured EXACTLY how I feel on this subject. Beautiful! ;)
I'm glad! I honestly think that if an outcry doesn't happen, change won't either. History has proven that--and it's one of the few things I learned while sitting through history class!
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I doubt that even if everyone on this board and in the fandom voiced their opinion about this issue that they'd even listen in the first place.
You're correct Brandon, it won't do any good. I've already brought it to her attention via email and her response was that she printed the info as she'd rec'd it. WHATEVER! ::)
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You're correct Brandon, it won't do any good. I've already brought it to her attention via email and her response was that she printed the info as she'd rec'd it. WHATEVER! ::)
Of course my question is FROM WHOM DID SHE RECEIVE THIS INFO? If it wasn't janet, john, peter or Joe--all of whom would have most certainly mentioned Joe .. then that whole response is suspect to me.
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then that whole response is suspect to me.
In the length of time it took to send that response -- and any other responses to messages regarding this issue, even if a form letter were being used -- a follow-up update with the correct information could be sent out. I don't quite understand why this isn't being done. It would be a heck of a lot easier than dealing with individual complaints. It's certainly what I would do in this situation.
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From what I'm told, this was actually NOT intentional at all, nothing at all deiberate or calculate was behind this and this situation will be rectified before too long.
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From what I'm told, this was actually NOT intentional at all, nothing at all deiberate or calculate was behind this and this situation will be rectified before too long.
Well, if the above is true, then I am certainly glad to hear it. But still, one can't help but to be suspicious given the past incidents that we have all witnessed in this magazine. And I for one would say that if Craig's obit is to be revised and reprinted with the CORRECT information, then so too should Keith's, Joel's, Don's, and all the others who have been oh-so-misprinted.
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In the length of time it took to send that response -- and any other responses to messages regarding this issue, even if a form letter were being used -- a follow-up update with the correct information could be sent out. I don't quite understand why this isn't being done. It would be a heck of a lot easier than dealing with individual complaints. It's certainly what I would do in this situation.
I agree, but I even suggested a reprint/update and nothing! >:( It ain't gonna happen...
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Of course my question is FROM WHOM DID SHE RECEIVE THIS INFO? If it wasn't janet, john, peter or Joe--all of whom would have most certainly mentioned Joe .. then that whole response is suspect to me.
EXACTY! What I think too!
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From what I'm told, this was actually NOT intentional at all, nothing at all deiberate or calculate was behind this and this situation will be rectified before too long.
Trust me Darren, it WAS intentional. Sorry to say...And I'll believe it will be rectified when I see it... ::)
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for more than 2 decades, Shadowgrm has sent out MIS~information, often REFUSING to correct it.
One incident after another.
Shadowgram's publisher has acted as though she were some hero whose feet we should all kiss.
She has no regard whatsoever for the truth or for the feelings of others.
She has brought this thread on herself.
It is time for her to bow out.
It is time for Shadowgram to end.
David
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I sent my email to ShadowGram.
I know for a fact from Craig the source material for this quote was the NY Times article Janet references.
Thank you for clearing that up!
It was also quoted by Craig on his Dark Shadows Online website. As we all know he was a thorough researcher and wouldn't have published anything with fact or documentation.
Maybe I'm misreading you, but I want to explain that I've visited Craig's site often and honestly have no doubts about the veracity of the information in it. I cited his B&C book because as a rule, the board admins hold print sources above information on the internet; in many cases, information on the net is unreliable, and it can be altered suddenly or even disappear. We have to take liability issues very seriously, and we've chosen to not designate that DSOnline or DS Journal (as examples of sites whose integrity is not in question) are legit sources yet such-and-such a site is not.
To clarify something I said earlier in this topic, while information in print is acceptable, what posters heard someone say to them or to somebody else is considered gossip. I'm not saying they didn't hear it; I'm saying that it's hearsay. Also, since the issue of using real names has come up-- if readers know whom you're speaking about, it doesn't matter if you avoid naming the person or perhaps identify them with just a username; if the identity of the person can be inferred, it's legally the same as providing a name, and the comments can still be libelous.
Anyway, thanks again, John. Shutting up now. :-X
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i agrree. finally a boycott that may succeed now even if for a different reason.
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Maybe Shadowgram has misrepresented/omitted certain facts or maybe they haven't, it's all hearsay to me, but rooting for their demise is crummy and worthless. If anyone is willing and better able to perform the service that SG has provided over the years, they should take it upon themselves to do so.
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I think it's pretty crummy for Shadowgram to do the following:
1. omit any mention of a deceased person's spouse from an obituary.
2. lie about a person's cause of death.
3. refuse to publish info about anyone who offers editorial critisism.
4. refuse to acknowledge the existence of gays and lesbians in DS fandom~~even when such people are out of the closet and WANT to be acknowledged.
5. REFUSE TO CORRECT ERRORS< EVER!!!!!!!!!
this as been going on for FAR TOO LONG and PEOPLE ARE TIRED OF IT!!!
David
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. If anyone is willing and better able to perform the service that SG has provided over the years, they should take it upon themselves to do so.
Yes, there are plenty of talented writers and artist on this forum. I don't read Shadowgram but it seems most think nothing will change for the better regardless of any boycotts,emails etc. So it sound like there needs to be a plan b.
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I would please like to ask that this discussion be confined to the expression of opinions and to not have opinion offered as fact. Regardless of what a member may suspect or even possibly believe to be something they know to be true, no one actually knows what is true about another individual except that individual. Please clearly state that what you are saying is either speculation or that it is your opinion that such and such. Circumstantial evidence is still that - circumstantial evidence. And I would remind that even in a court of law, circumstantial evidence does not always bring about a conviction. We've said that discussion of SG's policies is a legitimate subject in this topic because it is a public publication. But discussing the policies of SG is not also a license to discuss the staff's personal/private behavior, no matter what anyone may think they do or do not know about that behavior.
Also, this topic is not a forum to bring up and discuss any and/or all past incidents that may have occurred in fandom which are completely unrelated to the topic at hand. Such posts have already been removed and any similar postings will also be removed. Please stay on topic.
Thanks. :)
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That's what I was told was well when I emailed and asked why the omission.
Nancy
From what I'm told, this was actually NOT intentional at all, nothing at all deiberate or calculate was behind this and this situation will be rectified before too long.
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Hello
I was told there was a petition to sign about the faulty information in the Shadowgram. Where can I sign the petition. I read quite a bit of this topic and don't see the petition. Also, is anything about this organized or is most of this just alot of talking or blowing off steam.
Thank you
SisterJudith
New Member
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No, there's not. If you have a problem with the faulty information the best thing to do is send an email to ShadowGram@aol.com and offer the correct information and ask that it be published.
Nancy
I was told there was a petition to sign about the faulty information in the Shadowgram. Where can I sign the petition. I read quite a bit of this topic and don't see the petition. Also, is anything about this organized or is most of this just alot of talking or blowing off steam.
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Kathy Resch (who works with ShadowGram) posted on the Jonathan Frid yahoo group that no survivor information relating Craig was published because no such information was given to them at the time. Basically, the idea of the quick announcement was to let people know that Craig had died. Kathy also said in this post (I don't have permission to repost it here) that the survivor information, including the info about Craig's husband, would be posted in a future update/issue along with the updated donation information.
I also did a little research into the published obits about Joel Crothers and Chris Berneau and the ones I read did not mention the fact these men died of AIDS. If those were the obits sent to ShadowGram then that's what was published. As MB and Midnite have stated here about liability, even if ShadowGram knew these men died of AIDS if there wasn't an official acknowledgement of that fact (the family or an entity of this men supplying the info) then they risked facing liability themselves as some family members want to keep the fact family members were gay and have died of AIDS. Keith Prentice's obit that I read did mention his being gay and his illness. Interesting.
nancy
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Sister Judith,
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In the current issue of the SF Bay Area Reporter, I did a story about Pride High, a new comic title about gay super`heros.
One of them is blind.
In the story, I called her the comic world's first visually impaired hero.
The story was published this past Thursday.
This morning, Roberto, my editor, called to say that a reader had written in to point out that Marvel's Daredevil
was actually the first visually impaired super~hero.
In other words, what I wrote was wrong.
"I'm running that letter," says Roberto. "What is your response?"
Fifteen minutes later I came up with this:
"Oh, dear, sorry!
I should have known.
I never read Marvel comics, I was a DC boy.
Thanks for letting me know".
I dd not have to wait for 20 people to speak up, I did not have to sit around and discuss it for days on end. I had made an error.
I owned up to it. Period.
Shadowgram can~~and should have~~ sent out a correction email just as quickly. That it took a revolution to get her to recognize her error is a sad commentary indeed.
And maybe she should learn how to fact check.
David
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Kathy Resch (who works with ShadowGram) posted on the Jonathan Frid yahoo group that no survivor information relating Craig was published because no such information was given to them at the time. Basically, the idea of the quick announcement was to let people know that Craig had died. Kathy also said in this post (I don't have permission to repost it here) that the survivor information, including the info about Craig's husband, would be posted in a future update/issue along with the updated donation information.
.....they risked facing liability themselves as some family members want to keep the fact family members were gay and have died of AIDS. Keith Prentice's obit that I read did mention his being gay and his illness. Interesting.
If that's their story, then it's obvious they're stickin' to it. I don't dispute the fact that this may be true, as I can understand some people feeling ashamed that a family member was gay and died of AIDS--it is not unheard of. Why they feel this way one will never know. Why anyone would is beyond me. But facts are facts. It is true that they may just be saying that to save face so people don't start an all out war (whoops) against them. Personally, I'm removing myself from the issue. I posted my peace and I'll leave it at that.
Shadowgram can~~and should have~~ sent out a correction email just as quickly. That it took a revolution to get her to recognize her error is a sad commentary indeed.
And maybe she should learn how to fact check.
If people aren't allowed to be forgiven for mistakes then this world will fall apart. Although it can be discerned from this post, I am not abandoning my former opinions listed here. I still feel that way about the issue, and I think that whoever supplied the information, should Marcy and Kathy's statements be true, was the unfortunate victim of a mis-thought. If ShadowGram is going to print another article about Craig's death rectifying what was not printed in the previous obit, than great! Everyone's outcry's have worked wonderfully.
I say we just put this to rest. Enough fighting. I've got college, my own father's estate, and idiot lawyer, and finding a new job to worry about.
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Brandon:
you're a wise young man who many of us older folks
can learn from.
I, too, have run out of things to say on this issue, but I'm glad I said/posted what I did.
For the record, I was not fighting, seeking revenge, etc.
I was merely taking a stand for what I truly believe in.
It is my sincere hope that Shadowgram catches up with the rest of us.
If they do, then everyone who posted to this thread, plus all those who sent private emails to Shadowgram, did a good job,
David
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Brandon:
you're a wise young man who many of us older folks
can learn from.
I, too, have run out of things to say on this issue, but I'm glad I said/posted what I did.
Praise is always welcome! And just let me know if you run out of things to say, because I'll make some up and send them too you! j/k
I'm glad we have both learned from this, at least I sure as heck have, and I agree that if ShadownGram should change we have all done our jobs.
Now I'm off to Collinwood. Thinking about taking an adventure in Parallel Time.
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a lovely tribute to Craig has been posted at Stuart Manning's Collinwood.net
Brandon:
while in PT, can you please ask Aunt Hannah where she gets her jewelry?
David
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a lovely tribute to Craig has been posted at Stuart Manning's Collinwood.net
Yes, but unfortunately he got Craig's date of death WRONG! He died last Sunday, September 24th, not the 25th! Sheesh! ::)
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Well, maybe in England it was already the 25th...
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Yes, but unfortunately he got Craig's date of death WRONG! He died last Sunday, September 24th, not the 25th! Sheesh! ::)
And, now I COULD be wrong about this, but I don't think Craig was responsible for David Selby's website
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Well, maybe in England it was already the 25th...
Yes, but a) Craig died in NY, not the UK, and b) he died early Sunday morning, and the UK is only 5 hours ahead... ;)
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I am very sorry to have heard about Craig's passing. While I did not know him personally, I corresponded with him via email a couple of times and he was very nice. I think it's ridiculous that SG didn't print the name of Craig's life partner. My condolences to Joe and to all of Craig's loved ones.
-Danielle
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Yes, but unfortunately he got Craig's date of death WRONG! He died last Sunday, September 24th, not the 25th! Sheesh! ::)
And, now I COULD be wrong about this, but I don't think Craig was responsible for David Selby's website
Craig set up David's website when it first launched way back when. I have, however, corrected the date of his death... I'm human, typos happen. I'm sure we can all find better ways to remember Craig than raking back and forth trying to pick holes.
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Happy Yom Kippur everyone. Today is the day to ask for and give forgiveness.
Respectfully yours,
Teresa
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Absolutely. It was a lovely tribute, Stuart.
Nancy
Craig set up David's website when it first launched way back when. I have, however, corrected the date of his death... I'm human, typos happen. I'm sure we can all find better ways to remember Craig than raking back and forth trying to pick holes.
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Absolutely. It was a lovely tribute, Stuart.
Stuart, you could write the ABC's and I would cry. You have the gift.
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i'm sorry to hear about his death wasn't he urging people to have colonscopy
screenings to prevent this? sounds like a lovely man and i find it sad that
his life partner wasn't mentioned hey i'm from Massachusetts and i'm sick
of weirdos lambasting this state for having the courage to do the right thing
and allow same sex marriage What would shadow gram do if they were if they were from here
and legally wed. i'm also straight and went to my cousin's wedding to his long term partner(great time and it was
nice to see fred welcomed into my family including my 15 year old daughter who doesn't understand what all the fuss
is about
haven't seen the sky fall down or any breakdown of the any family in Mass since this law was passed
hope more states follow suit
one more sad note i've seen many family members want cancer written down instead of aids as a nurse and
i try to look at it as what would the wish of the one who died be(but sadly this doen't always happen either)
i quess we have to be be thankful that some people in the world get it
jennifer
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Very nice tribute, Stuart.
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Wonderful tribute Stuart
I agree we all make mistakes, I had posted the info from ShadowGram about the donations and had to make a correction.
LdyAnne
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I had a colonoscopy a year ago, and I think every person over 30 should go out and get one ASAP, along with prostate exams, PAP tests and mammographies. You can never be too sure...
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I had a colonoscopy a year ago, and I think every person over 30 should go out and get one ASAP, along with prostate exams, PAP tests and mammographies. You can never be too sure...
To CE and all others who have been mentioning exams, etc. - excellent advice that cannot be stressed too often. I would just like to add; if you have any history of ovarian cancer in your family or have any of the symptoms (easily found on the web or better yet, ask your doctor) please have your doctor check you for that too. Unfortunately the symptoms are very subtle and can imitate many other conditions. I was diagnosed with this in 2001 not long after coming home from my first DS festival. Luckily, it was detected early (stage I) and, with the exception of a couple of "scares" that turned out to be okay and due to some other surgery I had this past May, things have basically been going well for me for almost 5 years now. Believe me; I am keenly aware of how fortunate I am. I also credit the decision by my place of work to switch from an HMO health plan to a PPO which resulted in my own decision to get a complete physical with the new doctor I had chosen. So, don't put off your physicals or checkups and, if your body is telling you anything is "off" or not quite right, don't hesitate to bring it up. And, never think you're too young regardless of the statistics. At the time, I was pretty well under the age most women are when they get this and yet, there it was. I also know of one woman who is at least 10 years younger than me who was diagnosed with it about a year before I was.
Take care everyone and remember¢â‚¬¦question authority and listen to your bod!
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Castlebee is so right. Three years ago I lost a dear friend of 30 years to Ovarian Cancer. I went to the Dr after that every 6 months. Sadly, I had to have a hysterctomy in May and I am still having alot of problems. My colon was tested and now tomorrow I need a sonogram. These tests are out there please do them. I think everyone, especially women should have a CA-125 blood test for women type cancer's every year. Also did you know that if your mother had Ovarian cancer and you are male you have a higher risk of getting Colon cancer. Craig's mother did have Ovarian cancer, thankfully she is alive and well. The Dr's will fight you on this but demand it, I did. I have learned lately that you have to be your own doctor sometimes.
Janet
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Castlebee is so right. Three years ago I lost a dear friend of 30 years to Ovarian Cancer. I went to the Dr after that every 6 months. Sadly, I had to have a hysterctomy in May and I am still having alot of problems. My colon was tested and now tomorrow I need a sonogram. These tests are out there please do them. I think everyone, especially women should have a CA-125 blood test for women type cancer's every year. Also did you know that if your mother had Ovarian cancer and you are male you have a higher risk of getting Colon cancer. Craig's mother did have Ovarian cancer, thankfully she is alive and well. The Dr's will fight you on this but demand it, I did. I have learned lately that you have to be your own doctor sometimes.
i agree janet and hope you are feeling better i fought to have surgery in 2004 after a hysterectomy and they found a problem and fixed it
have felt better since so continue to demand what you feel you need
too bad the insurance companies also fight it and refuse to pay for a lot of these tests before certain ages(and they get pricey)
take care
jennifer
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Yes! my insurance company is giving me problems with my MRI's. Because I have had so many tests they want to know what the DR is looking for. I think it is cleared up, but meanwhile I go another week in pain and not knowing what is wrong with me. And I am the one that asked for all these tests, I did the research and I am ruling out things. My Dr just writes the prepscription for the tests and drugs.
Janet