DARK SHADOWS FORUMS
General Discussions => Current Talk Archive => Current Talk '24 I => Current Talk '11 I => Topic started by: Watching Project on June 29, 2011, 04:10:16 PM
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Robservations #3
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WELCOME, BILL MALLOY!
Good character, good actor.
Did Carolyn just tell Vicki that she's got a thing for her uncle? And did Vicki smile at this, and treat it as (much as I hate the word) "normal"? I think so! Uncle Roger "sends" her, apparently. But Liz would rather she dated Joe. I wonder why?!
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yes in the early days carolyn's attitude towards her uncle had a distinct "ick" factor.
at it's best i guess that roger was supposed to be cultured and debonair in comparison to the yokels that populated collinsport in general. but still it was weird. [ghost_tongue]
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Weird, certainly, but it's always made me laugh that somewhere in these early episodes, Carolyn describes Roger as "European," which back in those days meant suave and sophisticated.
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Man, I wish I had these episodes to watch.
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The plot thickened today. I like the small-town connections that were made: When Roger is looking for Sam Evans (whose full name I'm not sure we've heard yet, but never mind), he knows to go to the coffeeshop because Sam's daughter works there. And I'm sure Bill Malloy knows what Roger's car looks like, so he knows Roger must be at the coffeeshop.
I like Vicky's pajamas. They're a nice un-Gothic detail in this Gothic soap opera.
Carolyn is so terribly, terribly young. It helps that Nancy Barrett is so small: I get the impression that Carolyn hasn't reached her full height yet. Elizabeth said that Carolyn and Vicky were about the same age, but it doesn't seem that way. I suppose from Elizabeth's vantage point they do seem to be the same age. (And never mind that I'm about as old as Joan Bennett was in 1966, and older than Elizabeth is supposed to be.)
Carolyn's reaction to when the drawing room door apparently opened of its own accord was interesting. "You'll just have to get used to that sort of thing happening in this house." It started me thinking about the weirdness of Carolyn's life so far.
Mitchell Ryan was having a little trouble with his lines today.
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Vicki's pajamas are an interesting fashion note. I'm sure that at the foundling home, the girls were issued very plain, very practical sleepwear, and Vicki probably couldn't afford any new clothes for her new job. I've always been struck by the difference between her humble pajamas and Carolyn's lacy, frilly and obviously expensive nightgowns and robes.
[spoiler]But later, as our story progresses, Vicki will graduate to romantic-heroine nightgowns herself.[/spoiler]
Carolyn's weird life: Yeah, I'll bet she's hardly ever left Collinsport and graduated from high school by the seat of her pants, in contrast to the much more studious Vicki. That alone would keep Carolyn really immature, besides her sheer inexperience of the wider world. I'm sure nobody ever thought of sending her to college. Interesting that Elizabeth wants to marry her off seemingly right out of high school, but I guess there aren't that many options even for the daughter of the Mistress of Collinwood.
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people used to get married much earlier than they do today...my parents got married in 1964 fresh out of high school(and no they didn't "have to"). so carolyn's talk of marriage isn't that surprising.
still what i'm always struck by here is carolyn's complete lack of direction. a general driftiness that will bring her into ever mounting troubles in the upcoming weeks and months. needless to say there is NEVER any talk of career or job at this point(would this have been considered socially unacceptable for a girl of carolyn's high born status?)but there is also no talk of college, or finishing school, or a trip abroad that would have been de rigueurfor a young lady of social prominence. her mother just lets her loaf around acting petulant.
joe haskell is about as foxy as they come, but this doesn't exactly matter to liz(and apparently little to her daughter either)it would cetainly mean "marrying down" for carolyn but i guess liz just wanted her "happy" and out of the house for some reason.
not until 1970 when [spoiler]she decides to mount an exceptional career swishing a giant feather duster around an antique shop do we see the slightest bit of ambition on carolyn's part that doesn't involve landing some highly unsuitable man.[/spoiler]
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And I'm sure Bill Malloy knows what Roger's car looks like,
That Shelby Mustang would definitely stand out. Does anyone know what color it was?
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No idea, Midnite.
mscbryk, I've been looking into my own family history recently, and have been surprised by how old some of my female ancestors were when they got married.
Nancy Barrett said in one of the interviews on the DVDs that she struggled with why Carolyn didn't go to college, and in the interview she didn't mention any good rationalization for it. I think she said she that the song she chose for Carolyn was Girls Just Want To Have Fun. Maybe Barrett felt her only option was to emphasize Carolyn's youthfulness and immaturity.
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Maybe Carolyn was right not to go to college. Diana, Princess of Wales got no further than high school.
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[spoiler]Wasn't it implied that Carolyn took over the running of the Cannery and the business decisions during Liz's illnesses in 1967 and 1968? I seem to recall some tense scenes between Kitten and Uncle Roger... and then there was the deliciously icy way in which she dealt with Mr. Blair and little Harry Johnson in '68...[/spoiler]
G.
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Good point, Gothic. Even though (for whatever reason) she is not the future Mistress of Collinwood herself and everyone seems to regard David as the heir, she must have absorbed some of her mother's management style and methods from observation alone. Maybe Elizabeth offered her the job and she turned it down.
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The [spoiler]cannery-running Carolyn[/spoiler] is quite a few episodes into the future. I'm not sure I see any signs of that Carolyn in the episodes we're watching now.
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[spoiler]the carolyn-running-the-cannery episodes were a subplot of the early 1967 laura collins storyline. when liz is hospitalized in boston carolyn is temporarily put in charge of the house and the business...and boy do some deliciously catty scenes between her and uncle roger come out of this turn of events.
however once liz returns the subject of carolyn's involvement in the business never comes up again. certainly by 1968 ordinary plots like the running of a business are sent into oblivion.[/spoiler]
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Man, I wish I had these episodes to watch.
For people who've already seen them, the Robservations are a great source to help you visualize everything about them. [ghost_smiley]
[spoiler]and boy do some deliciously catty scenes between her and uncle roger come out of this turn of events.[/spoiler]
Those are some of my all-time favorite scenes from the show. Can't wait until we get a chance to comment on them - though the wait will be a long one because those eps won't come up until next year. [ghost_sad]
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[spoiler]vicki's change of sleepwear over the years...from the sensible robe and pajamas seen here to the frilly peignoirs of the barnabas years are indicative of her changing status on the series.
here she's the show's plucky and inquisitive "heroine"...in the nancy drew tradition...but not yet an "ingenue". that comes later.
needless to say that changes with the arrival of barnabas but not quite to the episode. i distinctly noticed a "new" vicki(the one that gets endlessly maligned as "clueless")the night when barnabas...fed up with maggie's defiance...gives vicki josette's music box. she's "enchanted" by it. it's "lovely". and the dreamy peignoir sporting victoria winters is born.[/spoiler]
it will come as no surprise to those here i find her enchanting in this mode but whatevs. [ghost_rolleyes]
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Bill Malloy first appeared in this episode. [milestone] He will have a MAJOR storyline soon. [ghost_smiley]
The other times I watched this episode, I thought that the whole thing about Roger knocking on the door at the Evans cottage and then telling Maggie that he rang the bell was a blooper. But now I know that it was NOT a blooper, it was just Roger lying to Maggie. Not all discrepancies on DS are due to bloopers! [ghost_wink]
Vicki and Carolyn are getting pretty chummy. Too bad that won't last, at least in the short term. [ghost_rolleyes]
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It's nice to relax a bit, and not expect bloopers to cringe around every corner. I get sympathy pains. We're not really getting bloopers yet, are we? Ep #1 was take 3. Every following ep has been take 1 though, I think.
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Maybe Elizabeth wants Carolyn to get married young and not be involved in the business because she feels it hasn't brought her happiness to have devoted herself to the business and married late in life. It was also uncommon for women to be working outside the home. I would think that Elizabeth would have sent Carolyn to school, but I'm guessing she couldn't bear to have her away from home .
I want Roger's Mustang. I have the 66 coupe that was my Mother's, but to have the fastback!!!
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It was also uncommon for women to be working outside the home.
For generations, if not centuries, lots of women have worked outside the home because there was no choice. They had to eat, and sometimes had to help support kids. What was rarer was women choosing to have careers which they'd train for, and which they intended to keep, as opposed to just "jobs", which they used to give up when they got married, usually. Getting good pay was rare too. Still, professional women were around.
Carolyn could do anything she wanted, unless her grades were so bad that college was just out of the question. I doubt there was pressure on rich heiresses to be domestic, or avoid becoming preofessional people, if they wanted.
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Sure,she could have gotten a job at the very least. Maggie had to work. Victoria Winters worked as governess. Both of my grandmothers worked outside the home (one of them was a career hairdresser). My mother worked at different jobs after she graduated from high school before settling in one place. Most of the women we knew had jobs while they were young women not yet married.
Nancy
Carolyn could do anything she wanted, unless her grades were so bad that college was just out of the question. I doubt there was pressure on rich heiresses to be domestic, or avoid becoming preofessional people, if they wanted.
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I really love the outside shots. Just think that they are on the third show, but they haven't even gotten through one day yet. Do we say slow.
It is interesting this is a small town, and things get around really fast. Carolyn could have had her family buy her way into college. She could go for a MRS. degree. :)
Elizabeth did work at home, she was rich enough to have people come to her.
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[spoiler]certainly by 1968 ordinary plots like the running of a business are sent into oblivion.[/spoiler]
I think by 1968 things having anything to do with normal life were long gone in DS! I remember, even when watching DS during first run as a young boy, getting the feeling it occurred in some kind of alternate universe where everybody was up wandering through the house or through town most of the night.
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I remember, even when watching DS during first run as a young boy, getting the feeling it occurred in some kind of alternate universe where everybody was up wandering through the house or through town most of the night.
In nightgowns...