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Title: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Watching Project on April 20, 2010, 11:58:10 PM: Quote from: ROBINV on June 15, 2003, 01:30:34 PM
Robservations #982
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: MagnusTrask on April 21, 2010, 12:40:43 AM: On Maggie, first sign of that blue-green combination that the PT fashion plate seems to favor. I like Will's reaction to seeing Barnabas... no intros, just "Turn around!" Good for Will figuring out that Barnabas is a vampire in record time. Bad for Barnabas of course. Maybe he can escape by willing his astral self onto yet another DS reality where he's an out-and-out bad vampire, Collinwood looks completely different, and Maggie's going out with Jeff Clark...
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Lydia on April 21, 2010, 07:51:35 AM: Willie released Barnabas from his coffin, and Will has chained him back in. Very neat. And golly, that was a huge cross Will had stuck to the coffin lid. He wasn't taking any chances.
　
I felt a thrill when Barnabas said, "I am the first Barnabas Collins." After three years, it is very easy to forget that Barnabas is living - or anyway, undead - history. What did he think when he heard the news that King Louis XVI had been guillotined? And was poor Louis XVI guillotined in parallel time?
　
Maggie's a trusting little soul. If I were she I'd think twice before taking Will Loomis as my confidant. I suppose there's nobody else possible, since Quentin flew off the handle when she tried to get some information from him, but Maggie could have simply kept her mouth shut altogether.
　
Magda may have been Grayson Hall's favorite character on Dark Shadows, but I hope Hall had as much fun playing Hoffman as she appears to be having.
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on April 21, 2010, 11:57:47 PM: One of the things that I really like about the Quentin aspect of this storyline is that right from the outset it's established that Quentin is a damaged and pained man - and it soon becomes apparent that his oftentimes bizarre and even cruel behavior is because of that pain. But the intriguing thing is that we're not quite sure from where/what his pain stems. There are some assumptions one can make along the way. But will they stand up? Only time will tell...
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: MagnusTrask on April 22, 2010, 12:49:14 AM: Thanks for that MB... without any explanation or background, it's easy to think of PT Q as just inexplicably 'cranky' and unpleasant, and hard to watch. A lot of fans, including me, react that way. Your way is the better way to look at it, though. These things (like Q's temperament) happen for reasons, and the writers may have had some in mind, even if they didn't share them with us.
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on April 22, 2010, 01:05:16 AM: The writers definitely had reasons in mind - as did Selby when he played the subtext of Quentin's actions. But the thing is that they liked to play with the audience and keep them wondering exactly what caused Quentin's behavior. Red herrings could easily be misleading...
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: MagnusTrask on April 22, 2010, 01:19:46 AM: Of course, there is that movie they're basing this on that I lost sight of while making that last post... Q went through the same thing Olivier (?) did.
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: loril54 on April 22, 2010, 03:20:49 AM: I personaly think that Quentin should have had Hoffman under control faster than he did.

Didn't he know that Hoffman would be doing things to hurt Maggie? He should have known that Angelique and Hoffman were partners in crime. I wonder how long he had been gone from Collinwood? Quentin was spoiled I think in many ways, it was almost as if he expected people to read his mind to know what he wanted.
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Taeylor Collins on April 22, 2010, 03:42:51 AM: There is a pesky ole jacket in my face! LOL

3/31/70

“Parallel Tiiiiiiiime!” I love Grayson’s usage of her low register. Grayson’s grown out hair has come into usage with her hair pulled up into and up do with a small piece on top! I love the Loomis family and it's seems that Nancy and John are enjoying their new roles. “Guard him…..guard me carefully!” Barnabas LOL I like the small nuisances that the set decorator has made to the set. The colors are absolutely breathtaking in Parallel Time. It truly feels as if one is in another world or time! We also learn that Quentin is the head of the cannery in this time. It's really odd to see the Old House or Loomis House furnished with some modern things and electricity! John Karlen is very sexy with his ascot and luscious lips. It's once again interesting to see Carolyn under Barnabas control. One episode in and Barnabas is gonna be trapped in a coffin. Of course we all know why with HODS! So here with go with the early INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE! What always gets me about the ending is that it seems as if Barnabas could have attacked Will from behind!???

Written by Sam Hall
Directed by Henry Kaplan
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on April 22, 2010, 10:59:19 PM: Quote from: Taeylor Collins on April 22, 2010, 03:42:51 AM
What always gets me about the ending is that it seems as if Barnabas could have attacked Will from behind!???

Crosses have shifting properties on DS. Sometimes they simply hold a vampire back or prevent him/her from entering - but other times they seem to completely overpower the vampire. It would appear that we're to believe that the cross inside his coffin prevented Barnabas from doing anything other than getting in the coffin...

And on a completely different note, this time around I'm really noticing how often KLS touches her face:

(http://www.dsboards.com/images/0982-1.jpg)

It may be almost as often as RD touches his hair. [ghost_shocked]
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Gothick on April 22, 2010, 11:02:13 PM: It's "Home Alone! the Collinwood Edition," starrrrring Mrs Maggie Collins!

Thanks for a good giggle, MB.

G.
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Taeylor Collins on April 22, 2010, 11:22:16 PM: Well that is pretty good explanation MB but it still annoys me. [ghost_azn] I concur with GOTHICK. I love the pic! So funny! To be quite honest KLS annoys me. However, I think it's more magnified in this role. This time around I have noticed my annoyance more! I do think she can be very good though. I enjoyed her in 1897 as Lady Kitty Hampshire!
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on April 22, 2010, 11:26:46 PM: The inconsistency in the way crosses work on DS gets me at times, too. It would be nice if their powers were consistent. But then, if we wanted consistency, I suppose we wouldn't be such fans of a show like DS, now would we? [b003]
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Taeylor Collins on April 23, 2010, 12:05:00 AM: Very true MB! I love DS warts and all! :)
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Janet the Wicked on April 23, 2010, 06:07:13 AM: Sam Evans and Will Loomis whooping it up at Collinwood? It isn’t a parallel world. It’s a paradoxical world.

So which is worse, tannic acid or booze?
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Janet the Wicked on April 23, 2010, 07:27:57 AM: Quote from: Mysterious Benefactor on April 21, 2010, 11:57:47 PM
One of the things that I really like about the Quentin aspect of this storyline is that right from the outset it's established that Quentin is a damaged and pained man - and it soon becomes apparent that his oftentimes bizarre and even cruel behavior is because of that pain. But the intriguing thing is that we're not quite sure from where/what his pain stems. There are some assumptions one can make along the way. But will they stand up? Only time will tell...

[spoiler]He's playing Maxim de Winter. A pained and damaged man. Why? Because of his nasty ass wife. I am still trying to figure out who is playing George Sander's part. Probably nobody. But that's beside the point.
This storyline is pure thievery from Rebecca. As I've stated earlier, Selby does a stellar job playing de Winter. His anguish, crabbiness, his time of the month sensibility stems from his pure hatred of his wife's philandering nature right in front of his face. This much is intimated every time a man speaks of Angelique.
I must admit that it's painful to watch these DS episodes purely because of the outright thievery of one of Hitchcock's best pictures. I simply don't know how much more I can stand. Sorry, folks, but there it is. The best part of this whole thing is Grayson Hall's portrayal of "Danny".[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: MagnusTrask on April 23, 2010, 06:22:34 PM: I feel the same way (as in your spoiler), Janet. When they steal a story, the only bits of interest for me are the deviations from that story, and it's just too close here. It all leads up to the same climactic scene [spoiler]at the window, where Maggie's urged to jump.[/spoiler]
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Midnite on June 04, 2010, 06:44:13 AM: Has anyone spotted Jeremiah's portrait in PT? It obviously isn't over the fireplace as in regular time; how different was Jeremiah's history from his RT counterpart, do you suppose? I see that the portrait-that-resembles-Joshua has a slightly more prominent location in the drawing room in this storyline.

Parallel time Collinwood has a rooster too?!

Quote from: Lydia on April 21, 2010, 07:51:35 AM
After three years, it is very easy to forget that Barnabas is living - or anyway, undead - history. What did he think when he heard the news that King Louis XVI had been guillotined? And was poor Louis XVI guillotined in parallel time?

But wouldn't Barnabas already know this since the execution happened in his lifetime? Or did I misunderstand what you're saying?

Quote from: Janet the Wicked on April 23, 2010, 06:07:13 AM
So which is worse, tannic acid or booze?

I thought tea contained tannin, not tannic acid. But with this viewing, I am really noticing the amount of booze that Will consumes.

Quote from: Janet the Wicked on April 23, 2010, 07:27:57 AM
[spoiler]I must admit that it's painful to watch these DS episodes purely because of the outright thievery of one of Hitchcock's best pictures. I simply don't know how much more I can stand. Sorry, folks, but there it is.[/spoiler]

I am not a big fan of this storyline, but I wonder if it's fair to harshly judge it based solely on it being a ripoff of a major movie. The writing indeed relies heavily on du Maurier's story, but at different times, DS plots have also borrowed from Henry James, Emily Brontë, RL Stevenson, Mary Shelley, HP Lovecraft, EA Poe, etc.
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: MagnusTrask on June 04, 2010, 08:09:07 PM: We as individuals sense whether a storyline seems to use an old story and do something with it, or steal a storyline just to have a storyline, and in other words, not do something original enough with it. Sure, DS took old stories right and left, DC probably wore out more than one Rolodex... but presenting Jeckyl and Hyde when that had already become so familiar to the public that it was a joke, and lifting the Rebecca situation, with the same exact climax... I'm not alone apparently in being frustrated by this.

PT is still better than most of Leviathans, the end anyway.
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Mysterious Benefactor on June 04, 2010, 08:21:19 PM: I couldn't disagree with you more Magnus - but this topic is much too early within the storyline to get into why. I'll save my points for later on...

Quote from: MagnusTrask on June 04, 2010, 08:09:07 PM
PT is still better than most of Leviathans, the end anyway.

Though on this we can definitely agree. [ghost_wink]
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Lydia on June 07, 2010, 12:21:52 AM: Quote from: Midnite on June 04, 2010, 06:44:13 AM
Quote from: Lydia on April 21, 2010, 07:51:35 AM
After three years, it is very easy to forget that Barnabas is living - or anyway, undead - history. What did he think when he heard the news that King Louis XVI had been guillotined? And was poor Louis XVI guillotined in parallel time?

But wouldn't Barnabas already know this since the execution happened in his lifetime? Or did I misunderstand what you're saying?
What I meant was: way back in 1793, what did Barnabas, as an ordinary human being, think when he heard the news of the regicide? And wouldn't it be amazing to be able to ask him about it?
Title: Re: Discuss - Ep #0982
Post by: Midnite on June 07, 2010, 12:43:39 AM: Got it. I thought you were saying he would be the one doing the asking, silly me. Thanks for your patience!