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Current Talk '05 I / Re: Favorite Dark Shadows special effect
« on: June 16, 2005, 02:17:53 AM »
I can't think of a single special effect DS offered that made me look twice at it......still trying to think of one......

Well this question has to be looked at in the time DS was filmed. The technology and budget for the show back then isn't what it would be if it were  being filmed today.

So you have to kind of forget about what can be done today with the special effects.

Which is hard to do I know.

But when you think about it DS was a pioneer in creating techniques to do effects that seemed impossible to do back then.

I read somewhere that some of the techniques used on DS is still in use today. Which is fasinating in of itself.

FireRose

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Current Talk '05 I / Favorite Dark Shadows special effect
« on: June 15, 2005, 11:00:05 PM »
My favorite special effect done on DS is the mirror at Nicholas Blair' s that he used to spy on everyone with.

That was a really cool effect.

I wonder how difficult that was to pull off for the special effects people?

FireRose

 

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I don't remember the details of that scene, but I don't think I ever considered it hypnotism.  It seemed that it was just his "powers" in general, or partially the force of his personality, that he was able to command her and eventually get her to respond.
As Josete said, I think it was one of his powers, probably related to the hypnotism ability, but not involving direct eye contact. The vampire's will is overpowering.

That is probably what it was, but you know something. I kind of got the impression that Gerard was more powerful than Barnabas was in the 1995 scenes. I always thought it was because Gerard was evil and Barnabas wasn't during those scenes.

Which brings up Gerard's control over Julia. Gerard actually got Julia to betray Barnabas by getting her to reveal he was a vampire to the authorities.

Which is why I wondered if when Barnabas was able to get Julia to respond to him. It was because Barnabas had a deeper connection with her that allowed him to overcome Gerard's control over her. I know they were friends, but that didn't stop her from betraying Barnabas. So I was wondering if  that scene was revealing a deeper connection between Barnabas and Julia that had not been revealed before.

Of course they could have been throwing the Barnabas/Julia fans a bone after having to listen to Barnabas go on and on about his feelings for Roxanne in front of Julia.

FireRose

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When Julia is under Gerard's control and Barnabas has to use his hypnotic power on Julia. How did that work when Julia had her back to Barnabas and Julia has never been bitten by Barnabas?

I always thought that for Barnabas to control someone like that he had to bite them first? That they would already have to be under his power like Carolyn and Willie were for him to get them to respond to him like that.

I know that Barnabas could hypnotize people, but for some reason I have always been under the impression that he had to make eye contact with them first. Well Julia had her back to him when Barnabas ordered her to look at him.

Since Julia knows what Barnabas is. For some strange reason. I've always kind of thought that somehow that she'd be better at resisting him. The element of surprise wasn't there since Julia knows that Barnabas is a vampire.

That particular scene kind of made me wonder if perhaps Julia  was more under Barnabas's power than they revealed on the show.

Just a thought I had.

FireRose

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Liz: Carolyn don't be ridiculous. I have not been bit by a vampire... There is no such thing as a vampire.

Carolyn: (To herself) Poor mother if you only knew the truth.

FireRose

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Current Talk '05 I / Re: Re: The ShadowGram Survey
« on: May 25, 2005, 12:53:29 AM »
You know I don't remember Barnabas having any reaction to how the women in Collinsport dressed in short dresses in 1967 as compared to the long dresses they wore when he was sealed in the coffin in 1795.  Not to leave out the fact that people now drove cars instead of riding in horse drawn carriages.

Willie must have been some good explainer. Since Barnabas was well informed and wasn't shocked by anything he saw in 1967, as compared to what his experience was in 1795 when he last saw the world before being sealed in that coffin for well over a hundred and something years. The world sure did change alot in that time.

You would have thought he would have some type of reaction. Even though he'd have to cover his reaction fast.

FireRose

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Happy Birthday

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Happy Birthday

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Amy: David isn't there more to playing doctor than this?

FireRose


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Caption This! - Night of Dark Shadows / Re: Night of Dark Shadows
« on: May 10, 2005, 08:32:56 AM »
Girl: Alone in the poolhouse and no Barnabas to bite me. So not fair...

FireRose

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Calendar Events / Announcements '05 I / Re: Happy Mother's Day--OT
« on: May 08, 2005, 08:50:39 PM »
Happy mother's day to all mothers including the ones who still have the little bundle of joy  growing in there tummies for the moment.

Happy mother's day to my mom.

With love to everyone...

FireRose

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My take on it has always been that Dan Curtis never intended to make a life's work out of that show and was not sorry to leave it behind, when the convenient moment arrived.

Perhaps that is true, but Dan Curtis sure does keep trying to bring Dark Shadows back to life.

Now the million dollar question is will he ever succeed in doing it?

FireRose

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I think the DS finale kinda sums up the show's rep theatre vibe perfectly - no great show-stopper or twists to be had, but instead a smile to the audience saying "Hey, that was fun, wasn't it?"

I would agree with that if Dan Curtis had been the one pulling the plug on the show himself, but Dark Shadows was canceled by the network. So I know that when a show is canceled by the network. They cancel them in the middle of stories. The parallel time storyline was not originally written as the way to end the show. That just happened to be the storyline they were involved in when it got the ax.

Now I have read that everyone wonders why since Dan Curtis knew, months in advance, that the show was definately going to be canceled. Why he chose to end in parellel time. Perhaps he didn't. I mean in reality the network saw Dark Shadows as a waste of money  and wanted it off the air.  For me it is much more in the realm of reality that the network would not allow him to do another storyline. He was more than likely told. Wrap it up with the storyline you've got planned out already.

When a show is being canceled. The network could care less how it is resolved. They want it gone as quickly as possible.

I understand that most of you believe that the final episode script was written as the end of the show. But since I know what it is like when a show is canceled. I think the script that was used was more likely only written as the end of the parellel time storyline. They had to take that script and make it work as the end of the series.

Of course it all depends on how far in advance the storylines were planned out and just how much of the scripts were written in advance to the storyline being played out on screen.

Most shows these days plan their storylines out months ahead of time and the scripts are already wrote. I can't believe that Dark Shadows didn't do something similar back then. So it goes to say that what we saw as the end of the show, with the network pulling the plug, and what the end of the show would have really been had Dan Curtis himself been the one who pulled the plug on the show is something that remains never to be seen.

I guess basically having watched so many shows get canceled over the years without realistic resolution. I'm skeptical that the final episode of Dark Shadows was what Dan Curtis would really have planned out as the end had he been the one who was choosing to end the show himself.

He was forced to end the show by the network... He didn't choose to end the show himself and based on that fact. To me the final episode comes across as a forced ending that didn't quite fit. Maybe it is just me who is seeing that and I am reading more into it than I should.

But you do have to wonder if it would have had a different ending had Dan Curtis himself had been the one to decide it was time for the show to end instead of the network making that decision for him?

FireRose

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I find everyone's comments very interesting and very informative... Which brings up this...

I just don't get the vampire comment, when to me, it seemed they were hinting that Barnabas Collins was back at Collinwood as a vampire. Especially since Jonathan Frid had already made it clear he no longer was interested in doing the vampire thing.

So why did they put it in there when they knew that Jonathan Frid wouldn't go for it? Especially as was pointed out that according to a interview that Grayson Hall gave. Jonathan wanted it changed.

Although my mother's theory is this: "They did it to jerk Jonathan Frid's chain, because he no longer wanted to play Barnabas the vampire and that was there way of having some fun off of him."

Of course if that was really the reason... That was just plain mean.

FireRose


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