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All I did was state what I would do if they did more than one movie, no more, no less.

A sequel isn't a sure thing - but if Johnny Depp loves the character and the first movie is successful, there could be a sequel. It isn't an impossibility. And if there were others movies or just one more, it wouldn't be too hard to believe the idea of Quentin would be thrown about in the writing room. But all I was doing was stating what I would do.

That's how Quentin came into the conversation.

Even with no sequel, I still believe 1795 is the best starting off point.

How would seeing Barnabas as a good man, a human, in love with Josette, a caring older brother to Sarah not develop the character? How would that not get the audience to care about him or make the story compelling. 1795 has never needed the present day to be compelling to me. It's a compelling story all by itself. The impact of him becoming a vampire would be more tragic from the start - you would get to see how he began and then see what he becomes.

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I think it's a great idea. Creative departure is needed. The thing about this movie, is that it has to appeal to the general audiences, most of the people who see Depp's DS are going in without having seen the original series. So departing from that won't detract from it. They'll have no previous experience with DS.

The revival, IMO, copied the original way too much. And I'm hoping this movie moves away from that and is its own film. Telling the story from the beginning works better for a film series than time travel and tons of flashbacks. With film, you don't have the time that you do on a regular show. And back when the original was being done, no one knew Barnabas was going to be popular enough to tell his origins. But with him being the main character, an origins story works better if it comes first. No need for messy time travel with Victoria that way.

1795 was its own storyline, not a mere flashback at all, and I think it's the most powerful storyline on the show in the fact that it's the most complete and develops Barnabas's character like no other one does.

If the first movie is successful and new audiences love Barnabas, they will follow him where he goes - 1897 to the present.

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As a stand alone movie, unsure of its success, Barnabas's origins is the best starting point. It has a perfect beginning, middle and end. It's tragic, it's gothic, it's horror filled...it's pretty much everything. It's epic. And with Burton on board as director, I think he could rock a period film (loved Sleepy Hollow).

I would definitely choose the 1700s as the starting point.

Barnabas being unchained from the coffin can start 1897 and the audience would care because it would be seen through Barnabas's eyes (the lead character). Naturally, he would go to meet the current family once he was freed, just like he did when Willie freed him. He and Quentin could start off as sort of enemies and end up as relunctant allies. To tie things in with the first film, Angelique could certainly be included, just like she was in the original.

I think it would flow pretty naturally.

And then for whatever reason, Barnabas and Quentin go their separate ways, maybe Barnabas is chained in the coffin again, or maybe he isn't (I think it might be more interesting if he isn't). Then a third film picks up in the present with Elizabeth, Roger, Victoria, Carolyn, etc... Willie can definitely be in there somewhere..... Maybe the family is in danger and Barnabas and Quentin have to come together again to stop whatever evil haunts them.

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My preference is that they start with Barnabas as a human, and end the film with him chained in his coffin.

If they made a trilogy, mine would go like this:

01) Barnabas becomes a vampire in 1795
02) Barnabas is unchained in 1897 and we get to see the Quentin/werewolf storyline along with Barnabas being a vampire.
03) Barnabas and Quentin, both immortals, are in the present day with the present day characters.

By making 1897 take place between Barnabas's origins and the present day Collins family, you bypass all the messy time travel crap while still getting to use one of the most popular characters and storylines in the show (Quentin).

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The big issue used against Twilight seems to be Bella as a role model for teen girls, so the more appropriate DS comparison would be these (IMO):

01) Julia's decision to turn her back on her career and her oath as a doctor to help a vampire and her longing for him when he didn't love her.
02) Angelique's obsession with Barnabas that led her to destroy others lives and threaten the life of a little girl all because he didn't want her.
03) Josette decision to kill herself for the second time just because Barnabas didn't come for her.

The main complaint against Twilight is Bella giving up everything for Edward, but many of the women on DS weren't much different. [santa_tongue]

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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 II / Re: Public Enemies review
« on: December 13, 2008, 01:39:08 AM »
Fairly positive review...

Not that reviews would matter to me on this one..... Johnny Depp + Christian Bale = Me in the theater opening day, trying to avoid turning into a puddle of goo on the floor.

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I've always been fond of the idea of Gillian Anderson or Miranda Otto (Eowyn in Lord of the Rings) as Julia. But I think the best thing would be not to see that character at all in a first film - I still think it's best to base the movie on Barnabas's origins and save the present day for a possible sequel(s).

A trilogy would be awesome, if Depp & co. would do it: 01)Barnabas's origins 02)1897 Quentin's introduction and 03) Present day characters. I think I would make it so Barnabas is unchained in a second movie in 1897, instead of messing with messy time travel plots. And then he and Quentin could show up again in the present day in the last film in the trilogy. That would be my dream there, but whatever they come up with, I'll look forward to it.

I hope they cast a younger unknown for Angelique. Theron would be great, but I think she's a bit too old and too known.

My dream Quentin would honestly be Jensen Ackles (Dean, Supernatural). And my picks for Josette would be Anne Hathaway, Natalie Portman or Lucy Griffiths (Marian in BBC's Robin Hood) - or a complete unknown, just like Angelique. I just hope they cast a capable actress. I want justice done to Josette so very much.


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Current Talk '08 II / Re: DS VS Star Trek? Why So Little Respect For DS?
« on: November 30, 2008, 07:27:35 PM »
"Trekkies" don't really get much respect, I agree. They've always been more insulted and made of fun of than other fandoms, like Star Wars, for one example.


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Current Talk '08 II / Re: DS VS Star Trek? Why So Little Respect For DS?
« on: November 28, 2008, 03:32:57 AM »
It's too early to hear anything about DS. Once a script is completed and they get a date for filming, I expect we'll hear then. Until then, I don't expect to hear anything about it unless someone asks Depp specifically in an interview.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: DS VS Star Trek? Why So Little Respect For DS?
« on: November 27, 2008, 04:32:17 PM »
I've known several people that were DS fans when the show was airing, they're just not into the fandom now.

I like the original Star Trek, not because it was done in the 60s, but because of the characters. I'm not a Star Trek fan in general - I only like the original series. I'm looking forward to the movie simply because it's got the crew that I love in it.  Next Generation was too cold for me, I thought the characters were lifeless. None of the other Trek series had characters that captured me, either.

I've always been interested in vampires since I started watching Buffy the Vampire Slayer in 1997. Bram Stoker's Dracula, young adult author Christopher Pike's Last Vampire Series, Dark Shadows, and Twilight....have loved them all.

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Actually, deviating from the original portrayal is the only way to go.  If Depp just mimics Frid's performance, this new movie will not be as good as it could be. Depp has his own talent and originality to bring to the table, and he should definitely bring it.

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I'm sure Barnabas knew - he just didn't seem to return the feelings. I think he really cared about her in the end, but wasn't in love with her. He wasn't blind, he just didn't reciprocate.

I've been the Barnabas in a situation, and you can't force feelings that you don't have. Maybe one day he would have loved her like she did him, maybe not. You can be a close friend to someone and love them, and not be in love with them.

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Calendar Events / Announcements '08 II / Re: Dark Shadows Gargoyle Lamp
« on: August 06, 2008, 08:06:57 PM »
I love that kind of stuff. I have two lights - Dragon one and a Gargoyle one. Both are holding globes in their hands, and the globes are the lights.  The Gargoyle one was a house warming gift when I moved last year from close friends who knew I loved Gargoyles. I also have several gargoyle figurines and a pair of goblets.

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Movie Cast Ideas
« on: July 31, 2008, 12:13:52 AM »
For the record, I would also include Keira Knightley.

As far as known actresses, I like Keira Knightley myself (and she would be on my list for Victoria or Josette next to Anne Hathaway & Natalie Portman). It would be interesting, though, watching she and Depp play lovers after seeing them as Elizabeth and Jack in Pirates of the Caribbean. They would both have to put in strong performances, which both are more than capable of.

Edited: I just thought of an actress whom I think would be amazing as Josette - Lucy Griffiths (Marian in the BBC's Robin Hood series).

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Current Talk '08 II / Re: Movie Cast Ideas
« on: July 16, 2008, 07:50:08 PM »
I definitely think SMG could pull off Angelique....the question is more along the lines - for myself, anyway - if I can stop picturing Buffy long enough.


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