"Born in Martinique in 1774"

[Philippe Cordier]

Not sure when this episode aired since I was behind on my viewing (and unfortunately didn't get the VCR set for the days I was at the festival ... that chess scene mentioned elsewhere with Professor Stokes and Julia sounds really good -- I don't remember it from the previous viewing but I must have it on tape from then.)

Anyway, in Episode #546, Nicholas removes Angelique's powers, telling her "You are no longer a member of our coven," and saying that she is now only a woman "born in Martinique in 1774."  I didn't remember this from my previous viewing, but it is crucial biographical information about Angelique.  She was 21 in 1795.

I love these tidbits, but it just isn't reconcilable with what we learn in 1840, i.e. that Angelique was formerly Miranda du Val, who lived in 1692 (I think it was).  The sequence also makes clear that she did not die and was not later reincarnated as Angelique on Martinique!

[Miles]

Add it to the long list of continuity errors I guess!  

[Julia99]

The sequence also makes clear that she did not die and was not later reincarnated as Angelique on Martinique!

I thought the tidbit of info was interesting too but i'm not certain how you could conclude that she wasn't Miranda reincarnated. . . I know this is something the writers dreamed up nearly 3 years later. . .but just because Nicolas did not mention it. . doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. . .in my universe anyway. . .

[VictoriaWintersRox]

I thought the tidbit of info was interesting too but i'm not certain how you could conclude that she wasn't Miranda reincarnated. . . I know this is something the writers dreamed up nearly 3 years later. . .but just because Nicolas did not mention it. . doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. . .in my universe anyway. . .

Yes that's what I think too...it might be like




[SPOILER]




the Carlotta Drake/Sarah Castle thing from Night of Dark Shadows

[WileyS]

Wow -- I don't remember hearing that either. Love how you learn something new after watching so many times.  However like Victoria and Julia I still believe that Angelique is a reincarnation of Miranda.

[Cassandra]

Wow --   However like Victoria and Julia I still believe that Angelique is a reincarnation of Miranda.

Same goes for me WileyS.  I have always felt that the Angelique of 1795 was a reincarnation of Miranda Duval.

[Luciaphile]

I always thought the Miranda-Angelique connection was kind of tacked on as an afterthought and that it didn't make a lot of sense in terms of continuity.

Luciaphil
(who also finds the birthdate extremely suspect )

[Angelique_s_Sis]

Add it to the long list of continuity errors I guess!  

 I agree.  I think Angelique was Miranda's reincarnation.

[Philippe Cordier]

I thought the tidbit of info was interesting too but i'm not certain how you could conclude that she wasn't Miranda reincarnated. . . I know this is something the writers dreamed up nearly 3 years later. . .but just because Nicolas did not mention it. . doesn't mean it couldn't have happened. . .in my universe anyway. . .

There is nothing in the current storyline that precludes Angelique as being the reincarnation of Miranda du Val.  However, when I said:  "The sequence also makes clear that she did not die and was not later reincarnated as Angelique on Martinique!" I was speaking of details that were given in the 1840 storyline and 1692 flashback.

If you listen to that sequence carefully, you will learn that Miranda did not die and was not reincarnated as Angelique.  Rather, she gained immortality as Miranda.  The details aren't clear how she then "transformed" herself into Angelique (the storyline implies that all she did was change her name and move to Martinique).

Unfortunately, the 1840/1692 storyline precludes reincarnation as a possible explanation.

[Josette]

I don't find any problems with Miranda coming back or being reincarnated or transformed or whatever as Angelique.  She keeps disappearing, dying, and so on and coming back as Angelqiue, so it seems quite possible that she could have come back and used a different name.

The only thing in the series that makes it seem impossible is back in 1795 when the Countess talks about her and mentions remembering her as an "uninteresting child" - so presumably they recall her as a child and growing up.  I just don't see her being "reborn" as a baby and actually growing up again, although I suppose that's possible.

[Cassandra]

The only thing in the series that makes it seem impossible is back in 1795 when the Countess talks about her and mentions remembering her as an "uninteresting child" - so presumably they recall her as a child and growing up.  I just don't see her being "reborn" as a baby and actually growing up again, although I suppose that's possible.

That's what I find so strange Josette.  The Countess spoke so clearly of how she had known Angelique from way back when and even had mentioned of knowing her mother and how she use to sell potions on the Island.

Also, I could understand her gaining immortality as Miranda but what gets me is that when she arrived at Collinwood in 1795 she was a mortal woman who practiced witchcraft, only to die by strangulation by Barnabas Collins.  It was only after dying that she seemed to gain immortality thus returning again in the present time as Cassandra.   It all does seem a bit confusing and I wish that the writers had been more specific as what Angelique's origins really were.

[Philippe Cordier]

I could understand her gaining immortality as Miranda but what gets me is that when she arrived at Collinwood in 1795 she was a mortal woman who practiced witchcraft, only to die by strangulation by Barnabas Collins.  It was only after dying that she seemed to gain immortality thus returning again in the present time as Cassandra.

Although that seems to be the case, we don't know for certain that she was a "mere mortal" when she arrived at Collinwood in 1795.  She is "killed" or destroyed a number of times subsequent to these events, too, I believe ...

It all does seem a bit confusing and I wish that the writers had been more specific as what Angelique's origins really were.

Agreed.

[Bj]

I love these tidbits, but it just isn't reconcilable with what we learn in 1840, i.e. that Angelique was formerly Miranda du Val, who lived in 1692 (I think it was).  The sequence also makes clear that she did not die and was not later reincarnated as Angelique on Martinique!

That's just it, though: it's not necessarily supposed to be reconcilable.  What happened in parallel time doesn't have to be consistent with that of regular/normal/reference (take your pick) time.  PT is all about different paths/choices the characters took as opposed to the time-travel story of 1795.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[Josette]

That's just it, though: it's not necessarily supposed to be reconcilable.  What happened in parallel time doesn't have to be consistent with that of regular/normal/reference (take your pick) time.  PT is all about different paths/choices the characters took as opposed to the time-travel story of 1795.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

That's fine for PT things and I quite agree.  However, the Miranda part was in 1840 regular time, so it SHOULD be consistent with the other RT stories.  The Miranda part might be consistent, but other things - i.e., the ages of Ben and Daniel Collins, etc. don't quite fit with their 1795 introduction.

[Bj]

That's fine for PT things and I quite agree.  However, the Miranda part was in 1840 regular time, so it SHOULD be consistent with the other RT stories.  The Miranda part might be consistent, but other things - i.e., the ages of Ben and Daniel Collins, etc. don't quite fit with their 1795 introduction.

LOL! You're right -- I goofed! I had thought the Miranda thing was PT.  I'll shut up now...