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I finally watched "Night of the Iguana" last night after taping it for about the third time. (Every other time I've taped it, I haven't gotten around to watching the tape, taped over it accidentally, etc. etc.)
Grayson Hall must have been in her element with this role -- she was a hoot! I missed some of the dialogue of some of the other actors, but not a syllable was indistinct with Grayson Hall's no-megaphone-needed style of delivery.
I was also blown away by Tennessee Williams' play. My top pick of American plays are "Streetcar," "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof," and "Glass Menagerie" (followed by Miller's "Salesman" and most of Wm. Inge), and I've read and/or seen two or three others of Williams plays, but I had never seen "Iguana." I think I'd need to read the script or at least watch the movie a couple more times to begin to get a grasp of all of the philosophy (and humanity) in this play. The other Williams plays I mentioned are great drama with great characters and poetic writing, but I don't remember member them being as complex with "ideas."
One thing that didn't seem clear to me, though, from Ms. Hall's performance, was that she was a "suppressed lesbian." Until the Ava Gardner character brought that up, I had no indication of this from her character. Did I miss something?
It's surprising that Grayson Hall's film career didn't take off more than it did given the Academy Award nod, which I thought was well deserved. And I was surprised that her role was as big as it was. Some of the supporting role nominees seem to be little more than cameos.
I'm also puzzled how it is that Deborah Kerr is in every movie that I've seen in the last few weeks. First it was "Eye of the Devil," then "The Innocents," now "Night of the Iguana."
Also coincidentally, last weekend when talking with my parents, my mother said she had been thinking of old movies she'd like to see again, and the one she mentioned was "Night of the Iguana." So I said I had been planning on taping it in just a few days!
The cast overall was excellent. Richard Burton was so talented ... the expression on his face in one scene was priceless. I was also surprised at how humorous the play/movie was.
Does anyone know how Grayson Hall got on with her co-stars? Is there information online about the filming of the movie?
I'll hang up now and listen.
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I finally got a chance to rewatch (most of) this the other day too Vlad. I don't think I've seen that film since the late 60's or early 70's. It's certainly not one you would forget easily. I remember thinking what a tense, keyed-up bunch of adults. I also remember being relieved when they let the Iguana go. I started watching the other day when Grayson was screaming at Richard Burton on the beach - so I may have missed some earlier clues concerning her character's repressed sexuality. When I was a kid I would have probably thought she was just a prudish old bag who over-reacted to anything remotely sexual. The only other clue I saw after that (before Ava's character started ripping into her) was when Richard Burton referred to her as "Butch". As subltle as those remarks seem now, it still must have been pretty ::shocking:: stuff for audiences in 1961.
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Glad others are watching and enjoying this film, which is on AFI's Top 100. Ava, Richard and Deborah are great and of course, Uber-great is Grayson. But it really is interesting that she was the ONLY one nominated from that stellar list of players. And, when the film is written about today, she is not mentioned. . :-[
Steve, who is off galavanting in search of Briscolicious. . could tell you more but I do understand Grayson had a life long friendship with the Burtons. . .one of La Liz's daughters got married at the Hall's Hudson Valley home. But this is 2nd or 3rd hand to me. . . And Grayson in interviews expressed extreme annoyance with Sue Lyon's obvious adoration of her boyfriend. But he eventually annoyed others and was ordered off-set and home. . down boy, down!
As to G's character's repressed sexuality ..well the woman was just repressed in every way, hands down. She's down in Mexico but still wearing her white-long sleeved blouse buttoned all the way to the top--letting no air in there-- I guess the other big "clue in scene" is in Judith and the girls' bedroom when Judith asks Charlotte not to be mad, she couldn't take it if Charlotte was mad at her. . .you sense some desperation and pleading there in Judith's need for Charlotte to like her. . . ^-^
I've said before if you stuck me in hot hot mexico with a wander-ing eye defrocked priest, a bunch of whiney old women with dysentery and Sue Lyon (annoying!), I wouldn't have acted much better than Judith Fellow. . although, I probably would've gone to the bar and screamed "cerveza! mas cerveza!" Actually I would've accepted (as Judith did not) Maxine's offer of a little pot--which is a hysterical scene! And then gone swimming with those crazy mexican boys and Maxine. . .
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Steve, who is off galavanting in search of Briscolicious. .
Actually, I believe Steve just couldn't face the awful fact that today's second episode on Sci-Fi was Briscoe's last on DS, so he went off to try to put the whole thing out of his mind... [wink2]
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You DO have some way of saving today's montage until Gothick gets home.....don't you? [sure]
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You DO have some way of saving today's montage until Gothick gets home
He already has a copy of it. In fact, I think he said he'd like to print it out in poster size. [lghy]
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Had seen it again within last couple of months...really like Ava Gardner's performance too.
Interesting (if factual) about the Burtons/Halls friendship.
You mention Grayson's 'no megaphone needed'; do we know how much stage training (if any) she had.
Also, after NOI, did she appear on stage?
Thanks,
Patti
PS...never noticed the pot scene...will have to watch again...
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Had seen it again within last couple of months...really like Ava Gardner's performance
You mention Grayson's 'no megaphone needed'; do we know how much stage training (if any) she had.
Patti
PS...never noticed the pot scene...will have to watch again...
Grayson's training was almost exclusively for the stage .. .check out the Remembering Grayson website for a more complete detailing of her training and career. . .Iguana was her first big feature film (she didn't like to think back on 2 earlier New York films). And the pot scene is quite funny, its after their at Maxine's, after Maxine says to Judith "well if you're not gonna eat him [Richard Burton's character] I guess I better get you all something to eat." LOL! ;D I just love that and then. .when they all come out refreshed from a siesta, Maxine tries to serve up some RumCocoas but Judith says she doesn't "imbibe" and then Maxine says, "well how about some pot? I don't normally offer that but you strike me as needing something special. . " or something along that line. . Grayson's implacably innocent expressions are priceless.
J99 (ready for whomever it is out there who is making it their career to smite me. .. :-*)
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and then. .when they all come out refreshed from a siesta, Maxine tries to serve up some RumCocoas but Judith says she doesn't "imbibe" and then Maxine says, "well how about some pot? I don't normally offer that but you strike me as needing something special. . " or something along that line. . Grayson's implacably innocent expressions are priceless.
J99 (ready for whomever it is out there who is making it their career to smite me. .. :-*)
I loved that scene. Maxine offered RumCocoas to the poor lady that had dysentery and Judith butts in to say no. Judith is not having a good time so I guess she wants to make sure no one else does either.
PS Some of my all time favorite posters(you're one) have alot of curses so you're in good company.
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Last night I fired up the old laserdisc player (the 21st century equivalent of cranking up the victrola!) and watch my copy of TNOTI again. I think it gets better with each viewing, really. Naturally, I adore Grayson's spot-on performance as the repressed Judith Fellowes (especially the way she says, "Posing as a minister of the Gospelllllllllll!"), but for the most part, all the performances are excellent. I particularly enjoy watching Ava Gardner's earthy, sexy performance as Maxine. The contrast between her and Grayson makes their scenes together come to life.
An interesting touch that I never noticed before, and was mentioned elsewhere in this thread, was the way the character of Mrs. Peebles is continuously thwarted by Judith in her efforts to enjoy the trip and Shannon's company. One can only imagine the power that Miss Fellowes wields back at the Baptist College!
Another priceless bit that I never noticed before was the scene in which Judith swats Hank repeatedly with her handbag before charging up the hill to Maxine's place. If James Ward is still alive, I'm sure he would have an anecdote or two to share regarding Grayson (as would Sue Lyon).
It's also interesting to note that Grayson received lower billing than James Ward, who played Hank the bus driver. While Ward's name is listed in the same ornate font as the main stars, Grayson's name is listed below his in a plain font. This is especially odd considering that Miss Fellowes is the catalyst for all the action in the film. Of course, the ultimate irony is that Grayson was the only performer to receive an Oscar nomination.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to satisfy my sudden craving for a rum coco.
Regards,
John
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Now, I am intrigued. What is a rum coco and how do you make one?
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And of course John. . can you picture Bette Davis as Maxine .. ?? She was the one who originated the role on Broadway. . . :-
I'm sure Sue Lyon's comments about Grayson wouldn't be good, especially since G got Sue' boyfriend booted off the set . .or was one of a few who did.
I also love the anecdote Grayson told about going to Mexico ..she'd never been out of the US before. Sam and Matthew went with her. .. She took Matthew to the pediatrician beforehand. .he would've been about 4 or 5 then? The doctor apparently told her about going to Mexico. ."take your dog, not the baby!"
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I still have a bottle of rum left over from the holidays and having been wondering what to do with it ... if anyone has the rum cocoa recipe, please by all means post it! ;D
Think I'll skip the pot (much too old for that sort of thing!) ... but that scene was terribly funny! :)
I had noticed in the opening credits, too, how Ms. Hall's name was hardly noticeble. Surprising given the size of the role -- seemed much more significant than the bus driver's!
Interesting to hear that the movie is on the AFI's top 100 list. I'll have to check that out.
Hope they didn't neglect "Rebecca" on the list ... and (better leave it that and not go more off-topic!)
>:D
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Interesting to hear that the movie is on the AFI's top 100 list. I'll have to check that out.
Hope they didn't neglect "Rebecca" on the list ... and (better leave it that and not go more off-topic!)
>:D
Here's a link to the list, but unfortunately neither NOTI nor Rebecca is on it--
http://www.afi.com/tv/movies.asp
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That's very odd . . . i could've sworn i saw it on the list when it was first announced .. .and my video store had it amongst their Top 100 AFI films.. ??? hmmmm. . .
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I still have a bottle of rum left over from the holidays and having been wondering what to do with it ... if anyone has the rum cocoa recipe, please by all means post it! ;D
Vlad,
I discovered my husband has a Playboy's Bar Guide(circa 1975). I looked up Rum Coco but all I find listed is Rum and Coconut Cooler and Rum Coconut Fizz. The recipes are almost identical except one uses lemon juice and the other uses lime juice. If anyone wants the recipes and its okay with Midnite, I will post it.
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If anyone wants the recipes and its okay with Midnite, I will post it.
Off-topic posts of interest on this board are okay with the mods. Just please add "off topic" or "OT" to your title, and thanks for asking. :)
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Actually, I think a rum coco is just coconut milk and rum, served in a coconut shell. I was reading the play, and there was a stage direction referring to Maxine's checking coconuts for milk, and then cutting off the tops. In the movie, Maxine can be seen holding a coconut with a straw sticking out of it. Regardless, they do sound good.
Of course, one could always experiment with rum and Coco Lopez. Invite a few friends over, try different ratios of rum to Coco Lopez, pop on the movie, and have a grand old time! ;)
As for TNOTI being on the AFI 100 list, it might be on the preliminary list of 400 films, or on one of their more specialized lists.
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During my last trip to Mexico (Puerto Vallarta, where NOTI was filmed) there was a street vender selling coconut drinks in the shell. I believe tequilla is the favored additive these days. I didn't stop to imbibe (lol) but I was told that there are several "enhancements" to choose from. There was quite a line of natives stoping to partake (it was HOT!!!). It was funny to see because they do not peel off the outter coconut shell membrane (?) so everyone was holding these huge green monstrosities with these little straws sticking out of them. It was quite a site to behold. It was so "cultural", we loved it.
dom (who's still working his "made in Mexico" tan)
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This is a great topic. Thanks, Vlad, for posting about this. Maybe you will inspire more folks to see this fabulous film. I'd love to see it on the big screen some day.
The film version of NOTI has a *cartload* of differences from the original stage version by Tennessee Williams. The screenplay was adapted by John Huston and another writer. A copy of the screenplay was auctioned on eBay a while back, and I would have loved to have been able to read it--it would be interesting to know how the finished film differed from the script. Huston always shot his scenes in the order they were written, I believe he had a theory that this helped sustain the narrative mood for the actors. (my brain is barely functioning at the moment, so pardon my mangled English).
As for Grayson's stage training, she had been acting all over the Northeast for over twenty years on various stages, and had done two films (both of which she subsequently deleted from her "official" filmography) before her appearance in Iguana. She'd also done a fair amount of television, much of it now difficult to track down as she did small supporting roles that weren't well documented in published credits of 1950s drama anthology shows.
I've read a lot of the press coverage of the filming of Iguana, and it seems as if Grayson got along very well with nearly everyone. She managed the remarkable feat of making friends with both Richard Burton *and* Elizabeth Taylor. Elizabeth's daughter Liza became a friend of Grayson's son Matthew. One of my favorite anecdotes about her trip to Mexico was that she got this scopion venom antidote kit and insisted upon carrying it all around the country with her. I remember Matt mentioning at a Festival interview after she had passed over that that scorpion kit was STILL in the medicine cabinet at his parents' house.
Another bit worth mentioning is that Grayson had a bit part (basically a 2 minute scene) in an episode of Route 66 that was aired early in 1964. That episode was filmed in Florida and I've always wondered whether Grayson did it on her way home from Mexico.
G.