Elizabeth Collins / 18 yrs at Collinwood

[retzev]

Is Elizabeth meant to have not left Collinwood the house for 18 years, or Collinwood the estate. As Tim Lucas noted here : "Her character is said to have never left Collinwood in over 18 years, but one episode opens with her entering the house from a trip outside."

[rainingwolf]

I believe it means she has not left the estate. She has not gone into the town of Collinsport, but has roamed around on her own property.

[michael c]

indeed.

at various points in the early episodes we see liz at matthew morgan's cottage,widow's hill,the old house and other locations on the collinwood estate.but she does leave the house itself.

i remember later in the series(after the jason mcquire storyline)when we see liz in town thinking how odd it was to see her away from collinwood.

[MagnusTrask]

When out on the grounds I imagine she had her ears peeled for the sound of the basement door being opened.

[retzev]

In episode 25, Roger says to Liz: "You haven't been out of this house for 18 years."

If anyone knows or finds other specific episodes with explicit references to Liz'zs 18 years, please post the episode numbers.

Also, when Liz finally does leave Collinwood, is any mention of it made?

[Midnite]

If anyone knows or finds other specific episodes with explicit references to Liz'zs 18 years, please post the episode numbers.

 If you perform an Advanced Search for "18 years," quotation marks included, of only the Robservations (open "Choose a board to search in" and check only that box), you will see lots (and lots) of references to it.

Also, when Liz finally does leave Collinwood, is any mention of it made?

A huge deal is made of it, as you can see here--

Robservations 11/27/01 - #259/ ...

Enjoy!

[Gothick]

The episode where Vicki persuades Liz to go into town to try to help Carolyn is one of the best.  Joan Bennett was incredible.  What a great actress.  Moltke and Barrett were also fabulous in that one, of course.

G.

[proudhug]

Liz's 18 years were referred to right back to Episode 1.  Episode five reveals that Liz hasn't left the grounds since her husband left her, six months before Carolyn was born (although, it will later be rewritten that Carolyn was a baby when her father left).  In Episode 6, Matthew reveals that Liz fired the entire Collinwood staff and hired him, immediately after her husband left.  Paul's first name isn't given until Episode 79 when Mrs. Johnson speaks it.

Also, technically, the first time that Liz left the grounds was in Episode 161 when she was sent to a Boston hospital after being put into a coma by Laura Collins.

[IluvBarnabas]

It still makes me mad knowing Elizabeth spent all those years at Collinwood for nothing, thanks to a certain smooth-talking snake.

SPOILER ALERT:

If Jason hadn't lied to her by telling her she had killed Paul, she could have had a fuller life.

I would have throttled the guy who dared to blackmail me over something that was a complete and total lie.

And it's not difficult either to understand why Elizabeth was so bitter towards Paul later on when he returned to Collinsport during the start of the Leviathan storyline. He abandoned her and Carolyn, tried to steal his own daughter's inheritance. For all she knew, he was still trying to get his hands on some of the Collins fortune and was using Carolyn to do it (of course this wasn't the case but it's not hard to see why Elizabeth would think it was).

[Lydia]

In Jason's defense: he never dreamed that Elizabeth would end up not leaving Collinwood for 18 years.  If he had known, I don't think it would have changed his actions - but still, he didn't know.

And I can't quite see Elizabeth as completely innocent in the matter.  She did hit Paul with the poker - at least, I think it was a poker - and she could have killed him.    And what was she accomplishing by not leaving the estate?  As has already been pointed out, she wasn't going to hear anybody breaking and entering the locked room in the basement if she was outside the house.

Anyway, if one has to spend one's whole life in one place, Collinwood isn't such a bad place.  Nice woods, a beach, ghosts to tell you bedtime stories...not bad at all.

[IluvBarnabas]

In Jason's defense: he never dreamed that Elizabeth would end up not leaving Collinwood for 18 years.  If he had known, I don't think it would have changed his actions - but still, he didn't know.

And I can't quite see Elizabeth as completely innocent in the matter.  She did hit Paul with the poker - at least, I think it was a poker - and she could have killed him.    And what was she accomplishing by not leaving the estate?  As has already been pointed out, she wasn't going to hear anybody breaking and entering the locked room in the basement if she was outside the house.

Anyway, if one has to spend one's whole life in one place, Collinwood isn't such a bad place.  Nice woods, a beach, ghosts to tell you bedtime stories...not bad at all.

You really think Jason would have cared if he HAD known Elizabeth was shutting herself up away at Collinwood? Hell, no! The fact that he didn't know she would shut herself up at Colllinwood does NOT in any way excuse what he did. He's still a scumbag in my eyes. I really don't see how anyone can defend him for what he did.

Elizabeth and Paul: it had never been her intention to kill Paul...when she hit him with that poker it was a spur-of-the-moment thing. And as Roger pointed out, Paul WAS trying to steal from her.
She winded up hitting him a bit harder than she thought she would. She ended up feeling so much guilt over what she thought she did she couldn't bring herself to leave the estate, perhaps as her punishment.

[Lydia]

IluvBarnabas, I'd like to know - or maybe I wouldn't like to know - how many times in your life you have hit a man so violently as to render him unconscious - either on the spur of the moment, or in cold blood.

I myself (full disclosure here) have never done it.  Alack-a-day, if I were a soap opera character, I would be so boring that I wouldn't last more than an episode.

[sallycollins]

Indeed, the Jason storyline was magnificent. Great acting on all parts. Being pre-Barnabas for most of the time, it remains little known outside of DS fanatics. I don't ever recall in later years a mention that Liz had not left the estate for 18 years. Such a strong and dominant woman, yet too fearful to leave home. Great job by the great Joan Bennett.

Sally

[IluvBarnabas]

IluvBarnabas, I'd like to know - or maybe I wouldn't like to know - how many times in your life you have hit a man so violently as to render him unconscious - either on the spur of the moment, or in cold blood.

I'm happy to say I've never had an occasion to strike anyone, intentionally or unintentionally. Hopefully, I'll never see such a time rise up.

[Willie Loomis]

In episode 25, Roger says to Liz: "You haven't been out of this house for 18 years."

If anyone knows or finds other specific episodes with explicit references to Liz'zs 18 years, please post the episode numbers.

Also, when Liz finally does leave Collinwood, is any mention of it made?

she hasn't been off the grounds.   remember she trapses over to Matthew Morgan's house.   

the eppy that she goes out is when something happens and she's the only one around and has to go down tothe sherriff's office.   you have to kind of say, "hm, SHE WENT OUT?"   and then after that, it's Bangor, Boston and the crypt for nice long nap.